WEBVTT - 08/17/21 DPS Hour 1 Ralph Vacchinao 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.600 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:07.040 Sports Radio. What is up, ladies and gentlemen, how are you. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.440 It's me Jason McIntyre joined by Doug gottlie We are 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:14.080 filling in for Dan Patrick and the Danettes here on 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:18.960 Fox Sports Radio. Hope everybody's having a beautiful Tuesday morning, huge, 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.200 huge NBA news right off the top. Come on, it's 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.360 not that huge. Gotta sell it though. Baby Joel Embiid 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.000 got a four year, one hundred and ninety six million 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:33.080 dollars Supermax extension with the seventy six ers, and you 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.240 know he's gonna stick around now. Ben Simmons will obviously 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.720 get traded here in the next few months. Sixers will 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.640 probably bring in Dame Lillard. And that does our NBA 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:47.839 coverage for the Dan Patrick Show here on Tuesday, August seventeenth. 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.960 This is an NFL NFL week, obviously. Doug gottlieban I 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.320 huge NFL fans. We disagree on some things, you know, 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.000 we have you have the pre show meeting when you 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.080 talk about some topics. And there's a gentleman by the 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.160 name of Tim Tebow who we will be getting too shortly. 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.240 He's a divisive figure. I don't know how, because he's 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.720 such a kind human being and a superstar back in 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.360 his prime, and now he is a veteran trying to 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.880 make the cut in Jacksonville. And of course social media 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.720 is playing a part in the Tim Tebow saga in Jacksonville. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.679 But we have to start with a quarterback controversy that 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.120 is brewing. You guys know me from my podcast straight Fire. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.200 I talked about this last week. You could see the 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.720 writing on the wall in New England. It's starting starting 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.560 to get a little ugly, Doug. I don't know if 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:38.880 you'd characterize Cam Newton versus Mac Jones as ugly yet. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:43.080 But we are one preseason game in Belichick has not 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.200 named his starting quarterback. Cam Newton is on a one 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:50.800 year deal, and you got Mac Jones, the pretty boy Autabama, 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.960 and he turns I believe it's twenty three years old 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.520 right before week one. So this is not some young 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.840 kid like Trey Lance who's only got a handful of starts, 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.480 or Zach Wilson who had one year as a starter 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:07.440 at BYU. This is a kid who is old and experienced. 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.520 I don't know, Doug, I'm starting to feel a little 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.239 nervous for the prospects in the immediate future of Cam Newton. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:15.400 And then you can spin that forward and what does 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.880 that due to the Patriots locker room? Well, I mean 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.560 I think that's why they haven't haven't made a change yet. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.720 I mean, I think that's why. Like, if you're Bill Belichick, 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.320 you have to read the locker room. You have to 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:28.920 you have to have everybody in the locker room now 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.440 and going, yeah, I get it. And he's probably not 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.560 there yet. But if if you're surprised by this, look 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.480 you just trace it back to when Cam signed the 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.400 extensions three and a half million dollars. That's backup quarterback money. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.600 He knows that. You know that, I know that this 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:48.840 is not a surprise. And look him and can't throw 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:53.040 a football anymore. See, you can't throw football an listen, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.280 I will run that tape of New England Seattle from 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.440 what week two last year? Yes, I know it months ago, 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.280 but he could he could throw the football. He got 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.680 hit hard by Covid. Let's be real. And if you 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.880 look at those seepers they gave him, like Covidi did 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:08.920 you did you watch them played less year? Have you 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.040 ever heard of an NFL quarterback throwing for less than 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.200 a hundred yards. It was awful, Yeah, it was awful. Well, 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:19.520 the circumstance doesn't matter, but the circumstance does. They went 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.400 out and got two receivers for him, two tight ends. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.919 I mean, nobody was hitting harder by COVID than the Patriots. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:27.959 They had so many opt outs, most were on defense. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:33.359 But nevertheless they capped out. They were capped out, and 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:37.840 they also, you know, um, you end up losing. Edelman 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.400 barely barely played last year and obviously now he's done. 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.160 But but like you can go through all the circumstances 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.400 you want, he can't throw. He struggled to throw, going 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.600 back to his days in Carolina after he heard his shoulder. Initially, 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.920 he's heard his shoulder twice. He's had a couple of 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.000 operations in a scope on that shoulder, and last year 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:58.200 he was like shot putting the ball. He's still not 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.000 he and he's never been an accurate thrower. Prime Cam 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.640 Newton was not an accurate thrower. You know, you you take, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.480 you put a couple shoulder surgeries and and then you 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.960 put him behind a shake your offensive line with not 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.320 a lot of talent to throw too, and he was awful. 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.560 It was bad. I will but sorry, go ahead confited. 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.560 No, No No, I'm just saying, like, and when I say 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.080 can't throw a football, it's not that he can't throw 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.680 a football. But we understood, we understand there's like fifteen 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.520 twenty guys that can really do this. I can really 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.320 do this. But most of them, even the ones that 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.400 can't read a defense, even the ones that that they 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.599 can't go through their progressions. Some guys can't lead a 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.000 locker room. There's things that but they can almost all 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:44.440 throw and throw accurately enough. There's different levels of it's 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.080 he was the worst thrower in the NFL last year. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.760 It wasn't really close. And this has been a problem 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.560 for years. And he was coming off of he was 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.760 coming off the Carolina Panthers lettinghim go, and like, look, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.479 you don't have to. It's not personal. It is business. 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.480 And if if it was personal, Ron Rivera would love 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.479 to have Cam Newton in Washington. He's gone through like 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:11.640 four different quarterbacks. No, no, I'm saying if he thought 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.760 he could still play, then he would be on the 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:19.440 Washington Washington football team, right if I mean Brandon bed 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:24.599 They they have Mitchell Trubisky as their backup. Okay, making 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.120 similar money to what Cam is making. Okay, Brandon Bean 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.320 and and that coaches that they came from Carolina. You're 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.040 not seeing people reach out the Carolina Panthers. He was 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.800 their signature player. They wanted Teddy Bridgewater, then they were 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.520 done with Teddy Bridgewater. Then they brought in Sam Darnold, 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.960 who's wildly unproven. They've had plenty of opportunities to go, like, 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:49.000 you know, let's let's bring Cam new him back. It 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.120 has nothing to do with anything else. Like Cam has 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.839 handled himself incredibly well. They liked him in New England. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.320 Bill clearly likes him where He's given him all this shot. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.680 He's given him all this this this runaway. He just 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.960 can't throw anymore. It's okay, I've let the slander going 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:07.000 long enough, Doug So former MVP Cam Newton cannot throw 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:08.880 a football. That's the claim. I know what you're saying. 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.320 He's not the guy he was when he was an 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.760 MVP helping lead Carolina to the Super Bowl. I get that. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.000 How long ago. I think I think I had one 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.480 kid maybe at that time, instead of two who are 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.760 now in like approaching middle school. So it was a 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:27.440 long time ago that being said Doug, there is something 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:31.320 too loyalty. Hey guess what, Cam, Last year, we were 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.880 in a pinch Tom Brady left us. We were a 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.160 little ego driven here in New England. We didn't think 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:40.200 he'd actually leave. We had nothing, We had Brian Hoyer 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.760 as our potential quarterback. Like we were desperate. Okay, you 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.880 came and were the guy back in the pocket getting 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:50.040 murdered behind a bad line with no skill position players. Hey, 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.000 thank you for your service. We're gonna bring you back. Okay, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.880 That's what they did to Cam and he really said 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.919 as much four days ago on Instagram. He mentioned loyalty 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.839 and how he deserves some loyalty. Now he did it 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.920 with his weirdo lingo and that he uses and whatever 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.480 font that is that I cannot find on my Instagram. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:11.000 But Cam essentially was telling the Patriots, hey, man, I 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.400 see what's going on here. Y'all deserve me a chance. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.920 And if you look at their offseason, Bill Belichick has 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.320 never ever spent as a head coach like he did 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.600 this offseason. They bring in Aglare, they bring in Bourne, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.040 they bring in two tight ends, and I do wonder, Doug, 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.080 when you bring on John Usmith and Hunter Henry two 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.040 tight ends when you had none, Remember Gronk left Brady 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:32.640 and they didn't even bring in a tight end in 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:36.400 that offseason. You bring in two. Is Belichick considering a 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.080 lot of two tight end sets, a lot of heavy, 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.160 a lot of running like he did last year? Because 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.520 if that's the case, Cam might still have a shot 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.040 and some value on the team. I don't think Bill 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.000 Belichick's really a two quarterback kind of guy, but I 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.480 do wonder if he wants to have versatility with Hey, 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.280 we can spread four wide and get Mac Jones under center, 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.119 and oh yeah, we can go with the heavy sets 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.760 and bring in Cam. Do you think that's something Belichick 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.480 would consider? Because again, Tom Brady left for Tampa and 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.760 won a Super Bowl. They're absolutely stacked this year. There 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.760 are actually Vegas odds, and we'll do a lot of 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.119 Vegas on this show on whether or not the Bucks 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:15.040 can go undefeated. Bill Belichick lost the divorce. He wants 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.200 to come back strong with the dime piece on his arm. 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:22.240 I do wonder if he tries something wacky like two 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.280 quarterbacks in New England. Oh, I think he's gonna have 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.680 two quarterbacks until he has one. I don't think anything 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:33.240 you're necessarily misreading, Like last year because of COVID, because 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.319 they were in capell there's nothing they could do. It 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:40.200 just wasn't you know. And Nikkila Harry's was a bad 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:44.080 draft pick, but that only that Adelman got old and 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.040 had the bone on bone knee and there's just nothing 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.559 they could do. I don't think he lost the divorce. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:54.880 I just don't they what if you don't decide in 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.959 the first year, considering the fact that they had a 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.760 quarterback who couldn't throw a football, they had all those 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.640 other things that you just stated working against him. They 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.120 won seven games last year in a division where you 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.920 had two double digit winnington they had. Dolphins won ten 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.480 and the Bills won thirteen, And the Patriots still won 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.920 seven games and probably could have won nine. Last year 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.560 might have been his best coaching job he's ever done, 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.400 considering the talent and all the other things that they 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.560 had going against them. So I don't I don't think 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.280 Bill Belichick is reacting to Tom Brady. Tom Brady inherited 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.160 a team which had been bad for twenty years, but 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.000 loaded up with talent and then was because he's Tom 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.680 Brady could get Gronk to come play, got Antonio Brown 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.600 to come play. And after starting out seven and five, 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.960 they played four the worst teams in the league, and 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.080 they end up eleven and five. To get little momentum. 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:49.000 They survived Washington, right, they survived Tampa who had a lead, 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.960 and I think it was Jared Cook who fumbled right 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.640 when they had had a lead late in the second half. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.080 And then they went into Green Bay and Brady was 0:09:58.120 --> 0:09:59.800 awesome in the first half and they just kind of 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.520 held out for your dear life in the second half, 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.880 and the defense came through and they dominated the Super 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.560 Bowl over depleted kan City Chief team. That that's what happened. 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.679 But but Bill Belichick, if you talk to these guys, 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.720 they don't care about the rest of the league. They 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.560 don't have they don't have the wol You cannot spend 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.360 almost two decades with a quarterback, watch him walk out 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.120 the door, win a Super Bowl with another teams not 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.400 care that's possible. There's no there's no there's no no 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.760 doubt in that. It doesn't suck because people all of 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:33.160 a sudden, they'll they they they make history. What they 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.960 wanted to be. They make history about about Brady. The 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.720 two of him worked together incredibly well. Brady has become 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.640 this magnificent, outspoken leader now. But like, look, if you 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.240 if you think Tampa's going undefeated, go ahead, put some 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:51.600 money on it. That also playing seventeen games. Yes, okay, 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.600 those are that's money that you're you're you're pissing out 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.160 the window. That's by the way, Belichick and Brady together 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.839 in New England nearly went undefeated and won a Super Bowl. 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.880 They did, and then the next year, next year, he 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:07.320 got hurt. Yes, okay, so we can actually see prime 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.280 Brady with that team the following year. I mean, how 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.800 good could they have possibly been in a repeat year. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:17.040 But remember Tampa, they've never seen this success. So as 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.440 hard as it is to see success the first time, 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:21.920 imagine how hard it's going to be to see success. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.680 So I totally disagree. Doug Cup Wait and wait a minute, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:26.760 Hold up, this is a team in a COVID year 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.280 where there was really no offseason. Brady went to a 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.960 new city, a new coach, a new system, a new everything, 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.959 and they were some you know, kinks that needed to 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:37.840 be worked out. I think they opened seven and five 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.360 then they had that that Sunday night loss. I think 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.040 it was to the Chiefs, the close one. And after 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:45.560 that they did not lose a game. I think they 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.840 went seven or not including the three and no playoff 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.640 run on the road getting to the super Bowl and 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.120 they were a different team, dug unstoppable and they returned 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.440 to everyone. I don't know how I mean like this team. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.240 And by the way, what do we know about Yeah, 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.120 what do we know about the NFL? Well, let's start 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:07.640 in the NF Now, what do we know about the NFL? 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.679 What do we know about it? We know that on 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.800 a yearly basis, half the teams that make the playoffs 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.079 don't make it the next year. Now, that doesn't mean 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.000 that Tampa's not gonna make the playoffs. They've expanned the 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.120 playoffs or seventeen games and they have an increase. They 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.840 have a very very good roster. Okay, But but the 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.880 idea that this the only team to make it look 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:33.959 seemingly easy to make multiple Super Bowls to consistently be 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.920 competitive at that level is the Patriots. Now do you 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.400 want to say that Tom Brady is the connective tissue 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.360 between the Patriots in Tampa? Sure, he doesn't run the 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:47.520 entire franchise, and it as much as you can change 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.080 some of the culture and going after the next title 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.400 and maybe they come out the better team. Maybe it 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.320 was when they were seven to five. It was the 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.240 wake up call and they've not maybe figured it out. 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.800 I'm telling you this a hard league. Guys get hurt 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:00.760 all the time. He had one thing real quick, while 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.640 you're on a hard league. Um, you know, my guy, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:07.680 Warren Sharp puts together an incredible packet. They looked at 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.520 the easiest versus the toughest schedules in the league. Based 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.040 on Vegas win totals, the Bucks have the fifth easiest 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:18.320 schedule in the NFL. They basically face a cakewalk. And 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:22.520 remember the Saints are criminally overrated. This year. They lost 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.520 Drew Brees, they lost Michael Thomas. That's a team. Yeah, 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.720 that's a team they lost twice last year in the 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:33.400 regular season. Listen, they have They open with Dallas. Okay, 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.920 WHI should be a great game and we'll see on 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.800 Dak's shoulder. But it's fair to say that if there's 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.320 a team that has the talent, at least in the 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.320 offensive side of the football to put up some huge numbers, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:47.360 it's the Dallas Cowboys were okay with that? Well, I 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.760 would say that their favorite in that game. They're only 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:51.839 an underdog in one game. Do you want to guess 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.280 who the Bucks are underdogs against the Rams in the week? Correct? 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.160 So there, I think the Rams are better than the Cowboys. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.480 I don't know so. But the point is they have 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.640 a new defense, defensive coordinator. We'll see, but at a 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.320 new quarterback. But but here's the thing. The point is 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.240 that I'm with you on on Warren Sharp and what 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.280 it looks like and the easier schedule whatever, like, we 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.440 got no idea what somebody's gonna look like. I do. 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.640 I agree with you on on the Saints on paper, Yeah, 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.880 you don't have Michael Thomas. You don't know any quarterback 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.520 is going to be um. They were kind of capped out, 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.800 they went all in the past couple of years. They're 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.720 probably not going to be as good. That said, Okay, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:31.640 you go to the middle of the season when they 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.800 play them, and if Jamis has won the job by then, 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:39.360 Jai Jamis can spin it and stretch the field. Also, also, 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.720 the home road is going to be completely different this 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.440 year with people not only in the stands, but they 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.840 haven't been in the stands in a year, and you're 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.280 the defending champs. Like all of a sudden, road environments 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:54.080 are more difficult to win. And oh yeah, by the way, 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.400 if you start out the year one and two like 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.960 you see, it doesn't like I gotta understand that you're 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.160 better than New England and Miami in Philadelphia. Okay, understand 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.720 all those things. But the idea is that that when 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.120 you have a team that comes off of Super Bowl, 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.000 some guys took less money to stay, you start out 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.040 one and two and people start pointing fingers. That's that's 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:17.640 the way I love drama. I'm not creating drama, you are. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.840 I'm talking about the reality of sports. Is we all 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.120 look at these these we all do the mic and 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.200 the mad though that's a win, it's a loss, it's 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.600 a win, dog, Dog, that's a that's a win, that's 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.160 a win. Right, we all do. We all do this 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.120 stupid crap, but we can't tell well, those guys don't 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:36.040 know this because it's not clue because you're dealing with 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.480 you're dealing with data as of now, right, and I 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.200 don't know what Vegas is looking at those guys a 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.280 little bit more than two. Uh, you know schmucks in 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.960 New York. Okay, the reality of their win tunnles from 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.720 last year. And see what they killed it last year. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.240 Look at the Tampa Bay Bucks and how they're favored 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.600 in every single game except one. And look how they 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.160 did last year's favorites. They were pretty darn good. They 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.160 struggled in the games where again they were playing teams 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.240 better than them. And the newness of the Tampa is 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.560 now worn off. I'm telling you, I know it sounds 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.160 silly to say, oh, they could go undefeated. No team 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.000 in the modern era Doug has returned every starter on 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.080 offensive defense. It has not happened from a Super Bowl champ. Sure, 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.000 And it's not like there are a bunch of fossils 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.480 like the Lakers growing and grab and Russell Westbrook. These 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.480 guys are in their prime, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin. I 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.600 mean they go out and add the running back Geo Bernard, Right, 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.160 it's like, oh, Geobert, what is either third running back? Well, 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.320 I don't know. It could be James White, who was 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.800 the like a Super Bowl MVP for Tom Brady. Like 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:35.000 there is Seriously, the offensive line is unbelievable. I mean, 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.000 the only thing if you want to quibble, do they 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:41.240 have depth in the secondary, like behind their top three corners, who, 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.440 by the way, we're outstanding in the super Bowl thanks 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:47.200 to an incredible pass rush. Like Doug, I'm not even 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.880 a Tom Brady fan. I respect it. Like in the eighties, 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.080 I grew up, I was a Magic Johnson guy. I 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.160 did not like Larry Burden, the Celtics. I was born 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.200 in New York. I didn't like anything Boston. I did 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.440 not like Tom Brady. Now I've interviewed him twice. Super 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.160 nice guy. I respect what he's done. He's the greatest, 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.920 and he's got a stack team. And I'm just telling you, Doug, 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.080 when they are eight no and just motoring, you're, oh, well, 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.879 there's a potential roadbup up ahead. This team is going 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.800 to annihilate some folks annihilate. They are so stacked, Doug. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.960 And the schedule is a cakewalk, and you schule how 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.480 good was it was Tom Brady last year? I would 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.240 say he was. He was like a top fifteen quarterback 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.320 in the first part of the season, maybe for the 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:33.600 first three fifths of the season, and once that tweek 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.240 twelve got by and they had the bye week, they 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:40.000 really started to take over. Tom Brady was outstanding. Uh. 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.040 He was definitely a top ten quarterback in the final 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:46.680 eight weeks of the season. Huh. Yeah, tom Brady was 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.200 a top ten quarterback the final eight weeks of the season, 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:53.800 postseason and regular season ten quarterback. He had three turnovers 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.919 against Green Bay in the NFC Championship. He didn't play well. 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:00.280 He didn't play well against Washington. Uh. He wasn't ticularly 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.920 good against New Orleans Saints either, So he was he did. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.200 He played well against against the Kansas City Chiefs, who 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.639 had no shot because their offensive line was in tatters. 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.720 But so of the four games they played in the playoffs, 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.040 he played really well in the first half against Green Bay, 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.720 and he played well in the Super Bowl. Um, but 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.080 I mean like kind of along for the ride, right 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.879 when they when they won the last four games, like 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.080 the idea time out, time out, Doug tom Brady was 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:31.160 along for the ride. Yeah, yeah, I would, I would. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.680 Can we get a Bucks player? From my thought, I 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.679 felt zero chance. He was not the leader in that 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.320 locker room. No, No, he's the only guy who's want anything. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.280 But this is what this is what you do though 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.640 for the ride, yes, he was a he's at Yes, Tom, 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:45.919 what can we do for you in the locker room? 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:47.600 How what can I? How can I? Well, no question, 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.080 no question. There's a leadership intangible that he has that 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.760 is unspoken. And what they did in the first half 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.719 I thought energized. That energized the defense for the second half. Right, 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.639 But there is at some point, at point there's a 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:03.639 reason guy's retire. You know what that reason is because 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.840 you get old and you can't make the same throws. 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.280 This is the same guy who remember, forgot what down? 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.560 It was the same guy. It's the same guy. It's 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.280 the same guy. That's what happens when you get older. 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:18.480 You're a tick slower, you miss on throws. The attrition 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.639 of an additional game in the season does kind of 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.399 get to you. Gay. They had, they had a dream 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.399 end to a season which was up very much up 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.800 and down, right, But trying to repeat that dream is 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.360 a lot more difficult in practice than it is going 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:35.600 it's a win, it's a win. It's a win. It's 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.480 a win. We talk about practice. So the point, the 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.880 point is this, like you're taking a snapshot of the 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:46.159 best of Tom Brady and saying, Okay, you put the 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.320 best of Tom Brady with all of these guys that 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.719 are coming back, and they're gonna win every game. And 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:52.880 the point is that he's not really a top ten 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.760 quarterback anymore in terms of his tangibles. His intangibles are 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.119 off the charts, off the charts. Nobody can walk in with, 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.760 you know, all with with all those Super Bowl rings 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:08.800 guy and and command respect, and he's an indefatigable worker. 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.760 But let's at at some point they all get old. 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.960 They just do. Jason Kidd couldn't make a layup in 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:19.080 the playoffs, couldn't make a layup. They just get old. 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.240 The throws they used to be able to make, they 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.159 couldn't make. Brett Farve got a old. Peyton Manning got 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.199 pick hay Manning when they won the Super Bowl his 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:30.240 last year or was it uh nine touchdowns seventeen interceptions, 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:31.880