WEBVTT - The Legal Line: Breaking Down Consent, Power & Accountability 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.159 I'm d Mallory and the ship Boy, my son that general. 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:05.600 We are your host of TMI. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:10.160 Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, motivation and inspiration. 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:11.880 New Name, New Energy. 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.760 Yes, it was my birthday. We just left my birthday. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:23.240 Had we just left my birthday. We just ended tourist season, 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:27.720 and tourist season was amazing. It's my birthday, the amazing 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.080 Malcolm X. Macael you're listen to me, Malcolm XE the 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:36.120 holiday right like she needed holiday, you know, on one 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.040 twenty fifth Street, on Malcolm X's birthday, they shut the 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.519 street down from one to four, all of the stores 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:43.680 from I don't know exactly where it starts at, but 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.559 all the way from probably like fifth Avenue to like 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:49.839 Saint Nick. They shut all the stores down and then 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.720 the doors are open. In respect, out of respect to 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.240 Malcolm X. But I think it should be a national holiday, 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.000 like he's done so much and what he's meant to 0:00:58.040 --> 0:00:59.560 our coach, especially black culture. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:01.000 It needs to be a natural. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.440 But it was beautiful to watch all of these big 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.399 storage foot locker and all of these stores closed down 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.440 in respect. I was in the gym working out, you know, 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.560 in Harlem, and he's likely we shutting down. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.440 We shutting down. You gotta come back at four o'clock. 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.479 So my tourist brother, Malcolm Mix, we appreciate you, God, 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:18.360 we love you. 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:19.679 Yeah. 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:23.080 And I had a beautiful birthday, had a dinner. Friends 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.240 was there, showed a lot of love, beautiful birthday cake. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.720 Birthday cake was fire. Then Mike that beatcake. Shout to 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.520 beat Cake. That Mike with that chain. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:32.240 Cake, New York. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.039 That thing was fire man. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.280 Marriam is over there. She's the owner and she does 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:40.760 a really good job. She's really community oriented. Also, she's 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:41.320 a good chick. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:42.559 Dope dope. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:49.080 Birthday and my next Now, listen that happened. All happened, 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:53.080 and said, listen my birthday. The Knicks clinched to go 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.160 to the conference finals the first time in twenty five years. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:03.480 Shout out to Jameen Brunson, Shout out to call Anthony Towns, 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.640 Shout out to the whole team. Man, it was just 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:07.240 a ten. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:08.680 You got to see Carmelo. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.919 Then I seen Melo. Yo, listen, this was just a 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.560 full circle thing. That the next day, I was at 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.720 Afro Preak in Baltimore where I see my brother Carmelo 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.480 Anthony and I congratulated him because it's the first time 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.280 I seen him since he's been inducted into the Hall 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:28.360 of Fame. Shout out to Carmelo, him around. Listen, Carmelo 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:32.640 is in my top three players of all time, and it's. 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.480 Allan Iverson, Carmelo and Kyrie. These are my favorite three players. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.880 Everybody, anybody who knows me knows that those are the 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.840 people I don't play about. And it was before that. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.040 It was Isaiah Thomas. So it was Isaiah, it was 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:51.760 Alan Iverson, and then we went to Carmelo, and now 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.480 Kyrie is probably pretty much my favorite because it's it's 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:55.040 soul times. 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.680 But why Carmelo don't play basketball anymore? 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.200 Melo said, I just heard him do an interview the 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.640 other day when he was talking about he was supposed 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.760 to retire on his twentieth season, you know, he said 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.760 he was doing twenty season, that's what he wanted to do. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:10.000 But he didn't. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.000 He retired right at the beginning of his nineteen season 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.480 because he said he was going to retire when his 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.840 son got into high school because he wanted to focus, 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:22.040 and that was a thing he said, and he said 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:23.080 it was time for. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:24.480 Him to just leave the game. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.839 You know, and he wanted to do it, but he said, 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:28.880 when my son get in high school, that's what I'm done. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.000 And he said it was time for him to do 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:32.959 it because that's the word he gave his son was 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:34.280 like that got had he gave. 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:35.480 He gave him an extra year. 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.560 He said he actually was going to retire around eighteenth, 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:40.440 but he went an extra year. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.040 But he didn't get to that twenty. So that was his. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:49.920 Reasoning for why he didn't finish out his twentieth season. 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:54.080 Lebron is in his twentieth season now, so you know, 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:58.080 just understanding it's a lot the twenties playing basketball at 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.640 the level in the NBA for twenty years. There's a 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.240 lot of way in tee. He just really wanted to 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:03.560 say he wanted to pour into his son. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:04.280 He wanted to. 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:07.839 Definitely gonna be big time. He's one of the top 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.640 players in the nation, so shut out to him. Man. 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.080 It was just a beautiful experience. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:15.360 And and the Knicks is in the finals, like just watching 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:16.839 them win and it was a blowout. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:22.000 Boston got smacked. Smacked in the garden, you know what 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:22.400 I'm saying. 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.200 We was like right down the block, we in the 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.039 chop house and he was getting smacked in the garden, 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.360 so the whole city was just lit up. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.120 It was just a beautiful time, man, you know. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.200 And I'm just happy for the next trying to see 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.120 if we can get some seats somewhere, maybe in the 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.159 nosebleed something. I just want to be in the garden 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.920 just to feel that energy. So anybody who got a 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:43.400 ticket for me, lesson, I'm here my birthday. The game 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.560 is actually tonight, you know, and I got my Knicks 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.800 stuff on. I'm gonna be out there, probably scoy buys. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:50.880 You got a ticket, I do gonna need anything. I'm 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.279 still taking presents for my birthday. So if you got 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.640 some Nick tickets, hit me up there. It's gonna be 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.320 too late. I'll gonna see this too late. But anyway, 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.360 I'm gonna be out there anyway. And by the time 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.400 this is you're gonna be like. 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.360 Wow, the next is gonna kill. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:08.200 So the next don't kill. So love them the Knicks. 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:11.800 What you got to say. 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.720 I'm very happy. Of course, I'm from New York. It's 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.080 New York. We would it love it amazing. You don't 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.000 know anything that be going on. I know, a little bit, 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:22.880 a little bit a little bit, a little bit of basketball. 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.240 I used to have season tickets. I used to go 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.480 to basketball games all the time. And uh so, now 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.520 what I do is I clap when everybody else clap, 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.120 and then I'm in the mix, and that's it. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:38.159 I'm happy. Yay Go New York brings me to my 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:39.040 thought of the day. 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:43.040 So on a more serious note, I was thinking about, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.440 you know, and I'm I think one of the things 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:50.560 that I pray God has given me that makes me 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:56.360 a leader and a better person every day. It's not 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.719 that I always make the right decisions. It's not that 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.320 I always see things the right way, and it's not 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:06.120 that I don't live my life like everybody else, which 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.800 is in contradiction, right Like I always say that to 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.599 you that I feel like we have to acknowledge it 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.520 though that you know what, I don't see this the 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.920 same way that I would if you were not my friend, 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:23.599 or you were not somebody that I admire or you know, 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.200 or if it didn't benefit me in some way. I 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.960 you know, and we have to acknowledge that. It's not 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.040 that it will change the outcome will change how you feel, 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.200 but it will at least keep you honest to yourself, 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.120 you know, And I think that's and I think that's 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:43.000 really important, and so on each one of the situations 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:47.800 that I'm bringing up, I have various feelings myself, right, 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:55.880 you know, I am deeply crushed by the entire situation 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.880 with Puff and Cassie and this whole case. I'm comp 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:05.800 completely crushed by it. Listening to or reading testimony hurts. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.880 I'll never be able to unsee the video. Having somebody 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.560 as influential as Puffed, somebody who I have a very 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.520 good relationship with, end up in the situation that he's in, 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:22.640 is painful, you know. Knowing that those kids could lose 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.320 their father for life in terms of him being in prison. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.640 I mean, it's so many dynamics that a person who 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.000 is a little more up close. I'm not in the house, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:35.960 so it's not that, but a person a little bit 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.200 more up close that spent a lot of time talking 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.320 to you and you know, working with you in different things. 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:43.280 It hurts. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.960 It hurts, And that's all I say. People are like, oh, 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.880 what are you that it hurts? You know, And I 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:55.760 think that people believe that when we are public figures, 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:00.280 that we're not human. Some stuff just hurts. I don't 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.080 even know what to say, right, You don't even know 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.040 the right words to use, except to say that it 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:12.120 hurts and everything that is playing out in this trial. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.600 When it's your friend and somebody you love that is 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.520 being accused of some really really horrific things, you can 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.280 literally just say, this is very painful. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:23.760 It is very painful. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:28.480 And to the extent that any of this stuff is true, 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.840 which I am absolutely inclined to believe that some part 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:36.679 of it is, that's even more painful, right, And so 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.439 I just have to keep reminding people of that because 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.360 I see folks in my comments and my dms, why 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.280 are you not saying anything about this or that? I 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:49.120 don't know where y'all what y'all consider to be friendships. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:49.880 I don't know. 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.520 Like I'm not getting ready to go out here and 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.400 be in the free Diddy T shirt, right, Like that's 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.400 not something that you will see happen. But I'm also 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.520 a human person that has the right to say that 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.959 as a that it takes a lot to process, especially 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:10.600 when you've never witnessed this side of a human being 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.760 that you care about, and then these are the things 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.960 that's being stated about them, Like I don't know why 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.240 people don't understand enough to say. It's like a mother 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.640 who finds out that her child or hears that her child, 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.040 her child is being accused of killing three people and 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.079 doing all this stuff. You could be like, damn, this 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.400 is really messed up. But if you're expecting the mother 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.079 to come outside and be like, oh, you know, I 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:39.520 hate my child, that gener really doesn't really happen. And 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.800 so I have to put that at the forefront. I 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.160 don't want people to think that I'm afraid, or that 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.360 you know, I'm I'm naive, or or any of that. 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.160 You know, I think that's important. I want to be honest, 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:57.400 so I think that's important. So that's one. It's Cassie right, 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.360 one woman that I want to reference is my thought today. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:05.839 Then you have Hailey Bailey and DDG, which Haley Bailey 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:10.400 hasn't said anything right, but in that situation, I don't 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.520 know either one of them, but I love both of them. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.080 I think they're so cute, you know, cute kids, and 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.440 I pray for both of them. But I can tell 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:24.040 you that having a son at that age, you feel like, damn, 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:28.720 understanding everything. We done have fights as young people, fighting 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.520 and carrying on do you want to see this young 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:37.560 boy's entire life fall apart because of an incident that 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.360 none of us were Therefore, we don't know exactly what happened, 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.480 and it's possible that he was abusive, right, it's possible 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.360 if that's what she said, it's possible that she he was. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.120 It's also it also. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.839 Could be that he you know, they got into it 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.000 back and forth and he pushed or did whatever he did, 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.160 which is something that generally would be behind closed doors 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.280 and we would never know and you wouldn't lose your 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.440 job or whatever as a result of it. Then you 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.720 have the situation with Meg and Tory, which I have 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.160 very very strong views about a lot of things around 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:17.320 that situation. Right, So, when I think about my own 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:23.680 personal contradictions, the way that I can move through various 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:27.560 feelings depending on who the people are and what the 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:34.000 situation is, I really have to ask myself, how is 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:38.800 it that three different women in one week are telling 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.960 their stories of abuse or harm and all three of 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.240 them have been considered to be liars by a large, 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:51.840 large group of folks. How is it that three different 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:59.240 women tell their stories and I'm not saying it's the 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.000 whole word, because I'm sure they are more people who 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:05.320 believe them and support them, but there is a large 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.280 movement that as soon as some of these women speak, 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:10.960 the world says didn't happen. 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.439 I understand exactly what you're saying, but I think it's 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.800 relative to where we're looking for the information. Right when 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.360 we look in social media. Social media is a cess 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:24.079 pool of negativity, you know, especially in the social media 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:28.480 we look at, they demonize women and black women all 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.320 the time, no matter what they say. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:31.160 Right. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.800 But I think if we look at a large scale, 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.839 there are many people, like you said, there are many 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.440 people that say this had to happen, or we believe 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:41.080 these people. 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.880 So there's going to be when you put something in. 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.640 A court of public opinion, everybody's bringing their own biases, right, 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.520 Like you said, based on your situations. Some people are 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.120 DDG fans, some people are Halle fans, right, so they 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.679 both their fans are gonna be like, oh, he's lying, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.079 she's lying, So that's what's gonna happen. 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.440 I don't know if it's all fans either, my son. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.520 I think that there are there is there is there 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:10.400 are people who might not even know DDG didn't care 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.200 nothing about Torri. Maybe they know Puff, maybe they don't. 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.400 Maybe they like him, maybe they don't, but they are 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:23.680 instinctively conditioned to say that if these women, if these 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.559 men are in any kind of trouble because of what 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.760 these women say, that is to bring a black man down. 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:31.480 Well, I don't I don't think that in Puff. I 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.840 think Puff has lost in the court of public opinion. 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:40.640 I think he was demonised immediately after the videotape. Come people, 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.479 he lost all support. You don't you don't see anybody. 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.120 I don't see one person publicly. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:47.480 I mean, I don't know. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.840 Now all of a sudden, you got Boozy and different 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:50.760 people because. 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.200 Basing off evident things that he's listening to, he's basically 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.000 saying that, based on this evidence that happened here, did 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.319 I see it looked like Cassie was involved than the 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.360 same shit that we and a lot of people look 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.960 and say she might. She did not deserve to be beat. 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:08.559 You know, we don't know the level of controls yet, 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.760 but when based off just relationships that the average man 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.040 has with a woman, if and were looking at these 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.160 the level of communication that they had, it looked like 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.840 two people that was engaged in the swinger lifestyle, you know, 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:22.160 and that's how they lived. 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.840 It was toxic. He was abusive to us. He beat 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:25.760 her ass. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:29.880 And that's one hundred percent wrong. But nobody most people 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.360 don't believe that he was forcing her to engage in sex. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.240 They just and there are people who say that she did. 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.720 They believe she did. He controlled her mind. But there's 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.640 gonna be a dynamic of people that say that they 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:42.200 don't believe it. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:46.800 But that's okay, Well that's fine, and that situation. You know, 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.280 there are going to be people who say that she 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.520 was definitely a willing participant in all of that. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:52.880 So we're not going there. 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.960 But as long as people understand, I think that's why 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.800 it's important that the guests that we have coming up 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:02.280 today that he's not being charge of forcing her to 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:03.200 have sex per se. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:04.280 That is not the. 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:11.600 Center of but those are the criterias under with sex 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.720 trafficking is it's either cohersion or. 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:21.520 Force cohersion and that and that cohersion is very very. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.800 Danced, it's nuanced. 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.920 Cohersion means that you didn't want to do it, and 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.920 I convinced you beyond outside of your normal realm. I 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.320 did something to put you in a position or or 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.680 inspire you or motivate you that was to do something 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:40.680 that was against your business. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.520 But I'm not sure. I'm not sure which we'll have 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.720 to get into. But I'm not sure if sex trafficking 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.480 is only about force, because I think that a person 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.280 could be a willing participant, but if they are paid. 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.960 That's why I keep trying to tell people that Cassie 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.120 is well, she was paid to have but that's not 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:04.200 what we see. Everybody continues We're looking at that case 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:10.600 the wrong way because everybody is continuing to say she 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.120 he didn't pay her this and the third that is 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:18.200 not what he's being accused of. Right, sex trafficking might 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:22.920 extend beyond Cassie to whether or not sex workers are 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:23.520 part of that. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:24.200 We don't know. 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.840 We have to wait and see what is at the 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.640 end result and throughout well each. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:32.800 Because when I was because I want to know if. 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:36.880 The indictment is saying that he sex traffic Cassie, or 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.360 he sex trafficked these other people. If he's saying as 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.400 he tracks sex trafficked her, if she was one of 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.480 the victims of sex trafficking. 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.760 It might see where people feel like it's definitely they 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.280 don't see it. I see what you're saying on that, 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:56.240 but I do think that I do think that sex 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.760 trafficking from what I read, because I really have been 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:03.400 trying to understand because I know that our instincts, depending 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.520 on our experiences, like as a as a survivor of 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:16.439 domestic abuse, sexual abuse, my instincts sometimes can be my 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.760 instincts can take me in a direction that facts don't 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.439 even matter. You get what I'm saying, because I just 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.120 know what I've what I it's a trigger. But then 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.679 sometimes again that's what I'm saying. I want to be 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:31.040 very clear about the contradiction that your it's like your 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:35.360 body goes through many many things because just hearing it 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.639 makes you be like, oh my god, like I can't 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:42.199 even fathom this, and and and facts don't matter. But 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.720 then when you know somebody, you begin to say, well, 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.920 I don't see them that way. You know what I'm saying, 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:49.679 So you go through all of that. But I'm just 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.960 saying when I saw in order to temper my own mindset, 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:58.960 I've been reading and in sex trafficking, the prostitute can 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:02.119 tell you I'm with it, but if they got paid 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.760 and moved through state a state, moved to another state 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:10.680 that is trafficking, and so you know, I don't know, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:12.200 I don't know. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.600 I don't know if that's if this prostitute was strictly 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.399 for the use of sex and you're paying her to 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:18.080 have sex. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.919 Or he or him or whatever. But y'all will say 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.520 it never happens. You never hear when a man thing. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:30.399 Okay, that's not even no, no women. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.280 You wanted somebody to pull up that women have been 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.600 accused of sex trafficking and they have, I mean and 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.520 convicted of young boys. 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.879 Yes, oh yeah, that has happened. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.600 But anyway, let's let me get my so my thought 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.800 of the day is specifically around the idea that there 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:53.119 are three women who all three of them are telling 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:59.679 their stories of abuse, and there's a large group of 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:05.440 people in our society who instinctively have said that these 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:11.560 women are lying or exaggerating their situations. And I wonder 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:18.320 right whether or not we are fostering an environment where 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.160 women will just completely stop telling their stories. 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:24.760 That's very that's a very serious thing. 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.600 And I know men ain't gonna tell their story because 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:32.480 we don't even believe men can say they were sexually assaulted. 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.800 People don't believe it, people laugh at men, people tell 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:37.000 you don't say it, and. 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:37.879 It's really hard. 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:41.639 It's so hard to reconcile all of that when you 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:48.040 know that, you know, women have are often accused of 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.240 lying or whatever. You deal with that, and then at 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.119 the same time you want to believe women. 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.760 It's like, who is so much? 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.000 And you want to protect the brothers because you got 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.760 the brothers who are like yo, they always you know, 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.159 take us down or whatever. It's so many dynamics and 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.239 I just wonder if there are which I believe, I 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.479 know there are women out there who are just like 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.760 you know what, I was thinking about saying this happened 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.359 to me or he did this to me. But I 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.680 think I'll just be quiet. And some people will say, well, 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.560 that's a good thing because it'll stop folks from lying 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.760 and you know, from making up stories on people or 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.520 exaggerating stories. But is that what we want for our daughters. 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.400 I don't know how. I don't know how. I don't 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:38.320 have an answer to this. I just know that it's 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:43.320 very problematic when people can look and see where if 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:47.040 these women are all not believe that they are all 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:51.920 lying they're all fabricating, they're all whatever. Then I don't 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.199 have a chance, So I might as well just be 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.400 quiet and just take my abuse on the chin or 0:20:58.640 --> 0:20:59.120 I don't know. 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:03.680 I mean, I want anyone who's been assaulted, who's had 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:05.840 you know, someone take advantage of them, to be able 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:10.040 to feel comfortable coming forward, you know. But at the 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.320 same time, you don't want that to be weaponized against 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:16.399 men if they're not engaging in that activity. So we 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.119 just gotta find you know, we got to find a 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:20.800 way to be able to sipher out the truth and 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.440 be able to and it's it's it's very hard, right 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.919 because it's people like you saying, prior to you watching, 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.600 did he on on the camera putting his hands on 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.000 Cassie or or getting any information? 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:35.040 This is not the person you know, right? You know 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.320 that's not did you know? You know? This kind person, 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.840 funny person who embraced you, should you love? 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:43.120 So that's what we all, we all are you want 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:43.840 to believe. 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.440 And that's what we all face with every time we're 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.719 faced with, especially when you look at lodging life individuals. 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:52.760 We're faced with the fact like, nah, this can't be 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.439 this person because this is my favorite rapper, this is 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:57.919 my favorite basketball He couldn't be that type of person 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.119 because we have this image of those individuals in our minds, 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.000 so we want to give them a benefit of doubt. 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:03.479 You know. 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:06.600 We don't want to believe that our favorite singer would 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:09.680 lie about somebody putting their hands on them. We want 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.600 to believe so that everybody wants to believe. And in 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.040 the court of public opinion, that's what it is. But 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:19.680 in the reality it's based off when these situations happen, 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:22.159 it's a case that goes to court and right and 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:24.159 they have to draw out the facts and they have 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:25.879 to come to terms of what. 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.600 The reality of that all is. So we're as. 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:31.320 Human beings, We're always going to have our personal you know, 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:34.080 preference in our biases and who we love and who 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.719 we don't like, and we're gonna demonize some and we're 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:38.160 gonna make other ones angels. 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:39.920 That's just the reality of what it is. 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.119 I just hope that we get comfortable we're using discernment 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:49.199 looking at facts, you know, just being careful to just 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.120 put things on individuals without seeing any facts, and then 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:54.199 being able to look at the facts and come to 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:57.920 a conclusion. Even in that conclusion. Understand that your conclusion 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.200 might be wrong. The courts might get it wrong. We 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.440 might demonize somebody and the course might come back with 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:04.879 evidence to say, oh, we were wrong about this. It's 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.600 people that's been convicted of murdering people and all types 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:10.800 of hanging his crimes, and they come back with DNA 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:12.760 and be like, oh, this person never did that. 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:15.720 And so we're never gonna all get it right. 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:18.120 But we just have to give people levels of grace. 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.480 We have to give people levels to understanding. We got 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.080 to understand our own biases, you know. We got to 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:26.600 in turn and be very aware and understand that people 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:28.840 don't see things the same way that you see it. 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:30.800 There's gonna be somebody that person did it, and you're 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:32.439 gonna be like, no, why did you get it? And 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:37.320 based off their own, you know, interpretations and their own experiences, 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:40.040 they're going to draw a conclusion because this girl might 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.120 have said the same exact shit that happened to you, 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:45.200 and you might be like, nah, know that that that's 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.200 something I've seen And God might say the same shit 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:49.880 that happened to me and I'm like, yall, remember girl 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.120 that that that shit is crazy? Like they did so 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:56.719 we all are using our own internal, you know, situations. 0:23:56.200 --> 0:24:00.160 To put there whatever. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:02.280 You exactly to put the reality of what's going on 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:04.040 in front of us. And we have to understand that's 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:04.520 what we're doing. 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:07.119 But I also never want to get to a place 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:10.320 in my life it's a real like I love this 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:14.080 about me. The forty five means really thinking deep, deep, deep, 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:17.320 deep deep, and challenging self and I live to tell 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:20.399 the story. My memoir does a lot of that. I 0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:23.520 never want to get to a place where I'm not 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:28.359 also standing ten toes down and supporting our brothers, knowing 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:33.119 that the system does railroad us as a people and 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:37.360 particularly black men. But at the same time I always 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:40.679 want to be in a posture that no matter how 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:44.520 much I know you, how no matter you know how 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:47.280 much I may love you, no matter whether I admire 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:50.520 you from a distance, think you cute, or whatever, that 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:54.879 I can still listen to and that's not just for 0:24:55.000 --> 0:25:02.680 men women, Also that I can still listen to things 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:07.760 and be able to say without hesitation that this is 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:08.960 just wrong, and. 0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:11.400 You should be able to say that. I'm ended by 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.680 saying this, right. I have friends, people that I love 0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.240 dearly do that that have hurt people, that have shot people, 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.080 that have killed people, that all these things, and I 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:25.119 love them to death. You know, they went did their time, 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.960 they've been you know, they've been held accountable for it, 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.640 and they came home and they changed their lives. Right, 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:35.240 And that's what grace is. That's understanding the reality of life. 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:39.600 And when we look at the situations, any of these situations, 0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:42.280 none of these people took anyone's life right, and we 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:47.480 might hate what they did, but they're not irredeemable, right, 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.480 And that's that's what right now, when we look at 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:52.000 did these situations. 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:55.800 They would never look at Cassie, she's disgusting. 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:01.240 They've lived the life, they have things that they've done 0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:04.520 in their life. And when we look at even the 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.880 last few years, did he did he look like he 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.440 was doing self reflection? I don't know, because once again 0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.520 we don't know, so prior to what he was doing, 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:15.159 he might have been, like he said, he was in 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.520 a dark place. And and I want to give him 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.200 the grace to say, damn, maybe you maybe you do 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:21.520 recognize what you did wrong. 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:22.239 Maybe you did. 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.880 I don't know, but I understand that he's not irredeemable 0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:27.920 because I have friends and people that I love who 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.600 have taken people's lives, and I love them and I 0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:32.520 would sacrifice my life. 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.080 For them right now. I mean, he. 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.720 Needs to be held accountable and when he does the work, 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.920 and his accountability comes for what it is. But if 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:45.520 somebody took somebody's life and they home free, did he 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:46.880 shouldn't be have to do life? 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.679 And well, I just don't. I just don't say that. 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:53.760 I guess where you and I differ because taking people's 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:55.840 lives can be looked at in a lot of ways. 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:58.920 Just because a person is breathing doesn't mean they still 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:02.560 have life. Sometimes the decisions that we make can take 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:07.679 more from folks you know, can can can. I'm not 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:11.000 saying that they can't overcome it. I'm just saying that 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:13.240 there's certain things that you could do. 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:13.840 And I'm not. 0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:17.480 Talking about, oh, you cheated or you lied or this. 0:27:17.520 --> 0:27:20.080 I'm not talking about that. I'm saying there's some actions, 0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:24.640 especially when you are physically abusive to another individual, that 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:30.400 can destroy parts of them right physically and mentally. So 0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:34.480 I guess what I'm saying is I struggle with being 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:39.800 able to get past physical violence against anybody, but particularly 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:40.560 against women. 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:42.199 That's a hard like that. 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:45.320 You know, we all have we all have these different 0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.800 red lines, and when it comes it's like Gaza, there 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.320 are people who are like, oh, well, I can't be 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:55.000 more concerned about what's happening in Gaza when Brooklyn is 0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:59.040 an issue. Now, Brooklyn is damn an issue. Brooklyn, Bronx, 0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:04.240 you know, Saint Louis. There's so many places where our 0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:09.720 people are suffering and caged, inn and starving and being 0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.040 killed in many different ways. And if you really want 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.399 to keep it a thousand, it's a genocide that happens 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:18.040 against black people every single day in this nation. But 0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:23.000 I still have to look at the bombs bursting in 0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:27.239 the air and say that I feel or I have 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.879 a sensitivity that that's a red line for me. 0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:32.080 And there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm just saying 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.280 you have to understand that there are some people that 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.560 is not any situation. You do understand that some people 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.760 are going to say, Dann, that was messed up and 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:41.200 this and that, but this person is. 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:42.520 Not completely responsible for that. 0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:45.200 It's going people that have shot somebody or done something 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.360 and somebody's gonna say I love that person and the 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.920 work that that person is doing, and the way that 0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:52.600 person is growing, I feel like I want to embrace 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:52.960 that person. 0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:54.880 I want to get that person another shot. And that's 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:58.800 how life is. Your red line might be somebody's white line. 0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:01.520 Yeah, well, well I don't want to be around nobody 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:02.480 who they're white men, and. 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:05.400 You shouldn't want to be around that is Trump. I 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:10.240 don't want to be they love Trump, and this reality 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:11.560 is it is cool and it's other people. 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:15.120 Oh, come on, politicians separate to me, it does and 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:16.120 that's just my reality. 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.160 I agree. I agree. So there's that, there's life. 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.360 But I think as long as we are honest about 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:24.360 our feelings and where we stand in these things that 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:29.600 you know, at least we can begin to move our 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:35.880 communities further by dialogue that is painful and difficult. It's 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:39.800 like sexual assault. Excuse me, it's like abuse in the household. 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.080 You know, people don't really like to talk about it. 0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:44.640 But the only way to correct it is to root 0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:46.440 it out. You got to bring it up, like, hey, 0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:48.400 this is something that's going on. So I'm not telling 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.160 people go tell your personal business. Put all your business street, 0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:53.600 because beyonest with you, these people on this internet, they 0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:55.920 don't care nothing about your life. They don't want to 0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:57.760 help you, they don't want to support you. They just 0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.120 want your gossips and then they can go take that 0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:02.840 and mix it with some other gossip and then that's it. 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:04.920 They just have a great time gosspend about you, and 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:06.760 you don't never know nothing about what's going on their 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.480 personal life because they learned a long time ago not 0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:11.960 to tell you about their personal life because they don't 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.200 want anybody to see that. So that's not what I'm saying. 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.480 I'm just saying that we as influencers and people who 0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.360 have folks who listen to us, people really want to know, 0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:23.960 like what does it feel like to like experience all 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:26.360 these things? And I think we have a responsibility to 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:30.600 unpack it. So there's that. Now on to the TMI. 0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:35.080 I think people are doing too much on this, but 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.960 some people might not feel that way. So New York 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:45.160 City Housing Authority is opening applications for employment. That's the 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:49.880 projects where I grew up. They are opening applications for 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:57.520 employment to people who have no educational background. And I 0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:03.400 sat for hours and read the comments section. And when 0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:07.760 I tell you that the classism and social media between 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:12.600 the upper blacks and the lower blacks is serious, Okay, 0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:17.160 because all these people people I know, because you know, 0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:19.600 you can see your own people when they make comments. 0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:23.320 That's you know, those comments stick out. Oh that's ridiculous. 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:27.880 That's what's wrong with our society. That's what's wrong with 0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:31.200 the projects any way. And that and you don't gotta 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:34.360 have no education, and this and that and the third 0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:35.320 and you. 0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.200 Could get an education for free. 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:40.200 And we should never be given jobs to people with 0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:47.400 no education. And I think that's I personally think that, Like, 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:48.400 I don't agree. 0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:49.120 I don't. 0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:51.400 I think that's a little bit too much that just 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:55.520 because a person doesn't have formal education that that means 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.360 they are not capable of having a job. 0:31:59.000 --> 0:31:59.440 I don't think. 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.360 I don't think get mezed and not cable. I think 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:05.000 what it is is they want to understand that somebody 0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:09.959 has applied themselves to something, has acquired some certain levels 0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.800 of degrees to where it shows that they're disciplined to something. 0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:16.280 But I think it should be based on the merit 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:18.320 of whatever the job that you want to do. Right, 0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:20.640 if if you can show me or I'll give you 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:22.320 a trial and you can do the job, and you 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.440 don't have an education or formal education. Then cool that 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:29.560 some people who have integrated from down South and people 0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.640 who didn't have the education, didn't have the roads to 0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.120 be able to be educated, so they came here looking for. 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:35.760 A different life. 0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:37.719 They've been working with their hands their whole life. They 0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:39.640 they know how to sweep, they know they know how 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:40.520 to do to certain things. 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:43.760 They know how to fix cars cars because they grew up. 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.440 They grew up with father, uncle's aunt. 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.080 And I think those people should get the opportunities to 0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:49.320 do it. 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:51.040 I think, But I don't think they're saying they're going 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:53.360 to give you a job if you don't have any skills. 0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:54.360 And that's the way it sound. 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:58.120 Skills and education is two different things. I think skills 0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:01.400 it should be skills over education because obviously we live 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:05.200 in an era, in a time where Donald Trump is 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:05.680 the president. 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:09.880 There's nothing off anybody can do anything. That's just the Bible. 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.600 Yeah, but he doesn't do it well, but it doesn't matter. 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:15.320 But these people voted and they love him. So if 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:17.200 you try to tell me that Donald Trump could be 0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:20.240 the president, then somebody with no formal education could work 0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:21.160 for the housing. 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:21.760 That's it. 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.240 Well, there's that. I think housing. I think new York 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:28.640 City Housing Authority. They got to do a lot of 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.360 internal work though on because what will happen is that 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.840 these people who are classified as no education or low 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:36.560 education will be treated as such. 0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:38.440 As the thing is, the reason. 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.680 Why they did that is because they've been hiring those people. 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:42.680 Because when you was looking at housing and the people 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:44.880 that was doing sweeping and mopping and all that, dumb 0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:47.120 people that have no education, they knew somebody and they 0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:49.920 was ready to do the job better than anybody else. 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:53.160 A lot of people was not educated. They wasn't educated. 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:53.760 Well, I get that. 0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:59.400 I'm saying that people who are classified in the group 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:04.520 of no education or low education are easier. No, they're 0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:09.719 easier to be discriminated against and mistreated because you need 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:11.960 your job and so I could talk to you any 0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.040 kind of way. I could, you know, treat you any 0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.719 kind of way. So I think that there has to 0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:20.800 be provisions where that's being monitored that they don't become 0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:26.160 the lower class slavemen or enslaved. So I do think that, However, 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:31.680 I applaud if they do it properly. I applaud the 0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:35.960 New York City Housing Authority for given opportunities to people 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:38.719 who are boxed out of so many places because they 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:43.320 don't have a paper to prove themselves. I just supplored 0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:46.840 them for that, so you know, no, so do I 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.400 understand what some people are concerned about. 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:51.360 But I will also challenge. 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:54.799 People to think that if this individual who's living in 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:57.920 your buildings, by the way, you can't go to certain schools, 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:00.040 you can't do this, I mean access to education. And 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.520 it's not as easy as people think you say it is. 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:04.600 But there's some folks out here and they don't even know, 0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:09.040 you know, if the application process is intimidating, or they've 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:12.399 been you know, caught up in various situations, maybe coming 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:13.040 out of prison. 0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:14.960 It's a lot of things. 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:19.080 And the question is if they can't get work somewhere, 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:21.520 then what you think they're gonna be doing? 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:27.640 And that let's go to our would guess our lawyer, 0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:31.839 our lawyer, our lawyer, our brother. He gonna give us 0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:33.239 some insight today. 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:33.399 That's right. 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:39.799 So as usual, we have one of our friends, well, 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:42.600 as you said last time, more of a brother than 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.040 a friend to us. 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.279 And you know that we need him. We need T 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:48.600 and I. 0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:52.040 On our show, we often bring a lot of our 0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:55.000 friends and people who are doing incredible work in the 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:59.560 community across the country. And this brother is no different. Uh, 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.040 he is our attorney first of all. First of all, 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.440 so I don't know because if you are the brother 0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:10.279 is there's still attorney client privilege. 0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:11.000 If you're married. 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:15.520 Yeh okay, So we just got to know that we 0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:21.000 need to know the law anyway. And so Royce is 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.160 our attorney first of all. He's family to us, but 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:29.800 he has been with us through many, many circumstances and situations, 0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:34.239 including the work that we engage in out in the community, 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:38.600 fighting for families like Ramalley Graham who was killed by 0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:42.680 police officers in the Bronx in his home and right 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.480 in front of his grandmother, something we've never been able 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:49.319 to get over as a community. And Royce has been 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:52.240 involved in a bunch of other cases. But he's also 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.399 does some corporate work, keeps us out of trouble, make 0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.359 sure our paperwork is in order. So when we say 0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:03.160 we know Attorney Royce Russell, we know Attorney Royce Russell. 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:08.719 I think the most impressive side of your life is 0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.839 being an attorney to many people who we won't name 0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:15.640 them now, but being a criminal defense attorney in private 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:19.560 practice today. However, you are a prosecutor on the state 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:23.160 and federal level in New York, and so you have 0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:26.400 a lot of pieces of things you got your hand 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.879 and a lot of different pots. Attorney Royce Russell, and 0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:32.760 we appreciate you for coming to the TMI show today, 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:34.839 but more than that, we just appreciate you for being 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:35.320 our friends. 0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:38.160 For having any shop too. You see you see that 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:38.959 that boys shop. 0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:40.640 Yes, that's what he does. 0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:44.320 He's a fashion fashion attorney. But you know, I feel 0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.160 like you started a trend in the fashion thing. 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:47.839 Think no, I know. 0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:51.640 Because I remember some of the other attorneys not really 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:55.000 dressing as well as you do. Because you know, I 0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:59.800 grew up around the attorneys. I done been around many 0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:03.320 attorneys and preachers are two things that I to groups 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.200 of people I know well. And you would started with 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:08.960 the bow ties and the whole thing and making everything 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.520 sharp and match really well. And then I started to 0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:13.759 see other cats getting into it as well. 0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.320 You know, it was a shocking to the federal system. 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:20.960 The federal system is blue and gray and black. 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.680 So now you come in with a ce a sucker 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:27.640 suit that's red or green, or you got pink and green, 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:30.960 and they're like what's going on, like what's happening? 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:34.160 And they sometimes they have no choice but just. 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:37.359 Compliment you because you're doing the work. Because you're doing 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.360 the work, it doesn't it doesn't impede how you proceed. 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.640 It just it's who you are. 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:48.000 Do you suggest your clients show up pink? 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:51.240 Oh no, we show up sharp because you're a reflection 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:53.839 of me. Right, we have to set a stage. Right, 0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:57.120 it's about setting a narrative, because what the judge sees 0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.279 is what's on the paper. We're trying to set a 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:02.440 visual narral and we want you to buy into that narrative. 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:04.759 Now we're not selling you anything, but we want you 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:08.400 to look at this narrative. He has respect, she has respect. 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.440 We're here today, we're gonna deal with what we have 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.080 to deal with. We're looking straight, We're not with our 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.680 hands folded behind our back. We're not looking down. 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:26.160 That's just the rules, you know, being on. 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:29.000 Try to understand those things right when you when you 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:33.479 have a lawyer that is understands those dynamics. I didn't 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.280 have a lawyer. I didn't have a lawyer to understood 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.400 those that even explain those things to me. So you 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:40.160 in there and you you don't understand how the jury 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.720 is looking at you. You don't understand how the judge 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.200 is looking at you. And when you they think you 0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:47.920 lack respect or you you got your hands behind your back. 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.440 Is a level of submission like you admitting that you 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:52.719 have some level of all these things you don't know 0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.320 you know, and you're a young boy, and you scared 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:57.399 for your life in the court room and you don't 0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:00.800 have a lawyer to give you these jewels. You understand 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:04.600 how your perception actually is reality? 0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:05.480 Is your reality? 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:10.640 Be talking about corporate court etiquette. We're on trial. I 0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:12.320 don't need for you to do a lot of writing 0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:15.440 and a lot of hitting me. What that reflective you? 0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:19.439 Reflects that you're scared and you feel like some sense 0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:22.960 then they said something that might reflect you or make 0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:24.200 you look right. 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:25.239 That's important. 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:28.480 So now if I'm sleeping and I see you feverously 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:30.920 do something as a juror, now I'm paying attention to 0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:32.200 what's going on here. 0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:33.400 I might have been daydreaming. 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:34.640 They didn't even hear it. 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:38.800 But people are people. They come in with problems, they come. 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:40.520 In with things, not wanting to be there anyway. 0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:42.799 They come in right and the only thing you have 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.000 to do is alert their attention to where their focus 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:47.640 should be. And as soon as you hit me to 0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:49.960 the left or write the note and give it to me, 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.000 and then I got to say stop doing it. And 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.000 then you see this conversation going on. Well, I'm like, 0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.160 don't do that, and that person is talking. Now I'm 0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.040 missing that. I'm talking to you. 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.239 The perception is something that's important here and. 0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:06.560 You don't like it, meaning the defendant doesn't like it? 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:10.120 Or why are you giving mister Russell a hard time defendant? 0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:12.000 You see how sharp is he? 0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:12.560 Nice? 0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:14.840 He said hello in the morning, he picked it. I 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:15.440 remember it. 0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:20.000 Like we like him, but not to show up, you know. 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.560 What I'm saying. We like him and I like to 0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:24.200 be liked, so you like me. 0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:28.799 Because sometimes it's the facts, or is the person that's 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:33.160 relaying the facts, And sometimes the person that's relaying the 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:37.880 facts can overcome, can will a victory doesn't happen a 0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.040 lot in federal court, but it could happen when you 0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.840 will a victory. I like what he's saying. I like 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:45.760 what he's doing. I see how he manipulated the facts. 0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:47.200 He seemed like a good dude. 0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.120 His client is sitting there calm, cool and collective. 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:52.520 You be surprised. 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:56.480 We hear all these stories about correction officers and those 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.040 in law enforcement, how they mingle with the inmates. You 0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.440 be surprised with you is how they may for fanhasize 0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:03.520 over the fact that, look, that guy doesn't look that bad. 0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:05.960 You know, that guy looks like he's he's a good, 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.080 good dude, or she's a good person. And they hear 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:13.279 the facts because I think real, deep down, real, real 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.200 deep down, people want to do good. They may not 0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:18.840 always do good, but they want to do good and 0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.879 they don't want to go home with I'm the. 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:26.200 Cause of doing A or B. And so if you 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.319 can present a package. 0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:34.759 That is formidable, that is respectful, then that meets them 0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:35.799 a little bit of the way. 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:37.600 Don't get any false hope hopes. 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:40.000 It meets them a little bit of the way, not 0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.879 all the way, because the facts are the facts. 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:47.680 So we brought you here, Royce, because you know there's 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:51.600 this big case with with Diddy, you know, right, and 0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:56.880 so we've read testimony from Dawn, We've read testimony from Cassie, 0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.920 and a lot of people are confused right when you 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:03.400 look at what he's being charged with. Rico sex trafficking, 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:05.320 and a lot of people like, how is this sex trafficking? 0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:06.120 How is this a rico? 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:08.239 How can you have a rico case when it's only 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:09.279 one defender? How is it? 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:11.399 Like I've never heard of rico where there aren't other 0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:15.480 people involved in sex trafficking. It looks like I don't 0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:17.680 even understand how this is even sex trafficking if they're 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.279 in a relationship, and we don't know the answers, right, 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:22.320 So what we decided is that we were going to 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:26.080 call our lawyer, our good friend who understands the law 0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.960 and can give us a breakdown, to not say whether 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:32.320 it's guilty or innocent, but just give where the premise 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:35.120 of these charges come from and how they actually make 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:36.360 some level of sense. 0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:40.279 All right, So before we can even get into, you know, 0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:44.520 juries and trying the actual case, we all know that 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:48.480 there is an indictment, and in the indictment, that's what 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.920 was presented to the grand jury. So before we can 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.759 even discuss the trial, it has to be an indictment. 0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:59.560 And we're talking about the federal government, they have nothing 0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:04.799 but time. So when we talk about sex trafficking, we're 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:09.640 talking about racketeering. We're talking about those elements. They have 0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:11.520 to present a case to the grand jury, and it's 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:13.880 not presented. And this is where I think, you know, 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:18.839 talking to people presently, they think the case is going 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.400 to is the beginning and the end with this one witness, 0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:24.359 like the first witness, is the beginning and the end 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:27.960 of the case. And everything is a narrative and everything 0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:31.080 is storytelling. That's what this is is. Just think of 0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.680 it as storytelling. Right, if I'm a prosecutor and what 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:37.080 and when I was a prosecutor state and federal, I 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:40.759 wouldn't put my best witness on first because I know 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:42.080 I have thirteen more to go. 0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:45.560 So you're telling me that the star witness. 0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:52.200 Who determines that the yeah, yeah, right, right right. 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:56.359 So did we ever hear the prosecution cigar witness and. 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.759 Did we read the indictment to see that the indictment 0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:05.880 talks about traveling and having escorts traveling from different states. 0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:08.960 We haven't heard any testimony about that. I think, as 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:10.759 they say, back home soon come right. 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:12.719 We have. 0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:18.560 Talk in the indictment about paying money extortion. We haven't 0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:20.239 really heard. We heard a little bit, but not a 0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:21.000 lot of that. 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:24.560 So when you look at this witness, what is this 0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:27.279 witness saying is this witness? Why is she part of 0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:27.880 the story. 0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:33.239 I'm going to assume as a prosecutor, once was lays 0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:37.399 the foundation, gives the jury something to have an understanding 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:40.920 of what's going on here, because quite frankly, unless I 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.560 misread my playbook as a prosecutor, if that's your best 0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:46.319 witness and you put them on first, by the time 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:48.319 you get to your fourteenth witness, I've forgot about your 0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:48.840 first witness. 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:49.279 This is true. 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:51.480 So now I got to go through redback four or 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.600 five days of reading back, reading back testimony, and so 0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:58.560 no prosecutor want that. So what we want to do, 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.120 we want to build, want to be able to come back. 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.239 And you heard Cassie say this, and you heard Don't 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.640 say that, and you heard and now you're starting to 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:08.799 build because now you're going to have some people. 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:12.000 I would imagine, and my imagination is. 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:14.600 Fairly good, that you're going to have some people that 0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:17.600 are not women, that are men that were part of 0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:20.800 They call it an enterprise, right, and everybody ooh, enterprise. 0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:22.520 No, that's just the name. 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:25.320 Of what you call it, right, whether it's combs or 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:26.279 whether it's bad boy. 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:28.879 You know that either worked or was. 0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:32.000 Employed or were consultants or something of that nature that 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:35.919 did certain things. It's almost like a puzzle. I don't 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:40.160 know if the prosecutor is working in out or out in. 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.480 I believe they're set in the framework and then they're 0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:45.440 going to start putting pieces in the middle, and then 0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:48.520 it's going to turn into a puzzle. And so that's 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.640 what we have to look forward to. And so just 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:55.040 giving you an understanding of definition of racketeering because they're go, oh, 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:57.640 they think it's like gambling or you know, maybe we 0:46:57.719 --> 0:46:59.520 kick down the door and we waved the four forward. 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:01.279 Oh no, it's just. 0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:04.880 Two or more acts within a ten year span that 0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:09.040 are on the list of a variety of acts drug trafficking, 0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:16.719 sex trafficking, robbery, murder, extortion, fraud. You commit those and 0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:18.759 it's two or more and that's how you get the 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.239 conspiracy and you got a trapdoor. 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:23.680 But the person doesn't have to be on trial with you. 0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:26.759 Well, they do, and they don't. 0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:30.920 Sometimes what happens is the government we call it sliding 0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:34.080 in the first base. Sometimes people decide to slide in 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:38.160 first base before the game even start. They know something 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:42.040 is going to happen, they know that they're involved, and 0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:46.400 either you go to the FEDS before or when the 0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:50.480 FEDS start interviewing people, because they've interviewed. 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:53.399 A lot of people, you decide that. 0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:57.799 I was employed to do this. I didn't know it 0:47:57.840 --> 0:48:01.040 was it would lead to do that, or maybe I 0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:04.239 knew about this, but I didn't know about that. And 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.960 so I am going to before I am a co 0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:11.240 conspirator named in an indictment, I'm going to become a witness. 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:15.640 So that's basically what's happening is the people that the 0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:20.680 co conspirat like Actually, because when I'm when I'm listening 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:22.600 to this, this is my personal opinion, this is not 0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:27.000 right or wrong. Cassie is a co conspirator if you 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:30.239 asked me, because when if you're talking about sex trafficking 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:33.440 and you talking about all these escapades they had, and 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:37.520 you're talking about her getting these you know, these escorts 0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.239 and all that she co conspirator was she there was 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:43.080 a lot of times where she initiated it. So if 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:48.040 I'm just is my mind as a novice lawyer, but 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:49.719 I studied a little lawyer. I was in the lower 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:52.120 Library for seven years. You're studying a little law just 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.239 understanding what co conspirator is these people are co conspirators. 0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:58.080 I'm listening, listening to they said James cru Is supposed 0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:02.120 to come. James Cruise was like is personal system. He 0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.520 actually managed a lot of stuff. So more than likely 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:10.600 he was a co conspirator too, and for exchange for 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:14.719 his freedom right, he's saying, listen, I'm not I'm gonna 0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:16.799 go and say whatever y'all need me to say. Well, 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:20.520 I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say what I know. I'm 0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:24.080 gonna give my testimony and just in exchange to make 0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:27.480 sure that I'm not because, like you said, maybe he's saying, oh, 0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:29.759 I was cool with this, but I wasn't cool with that. Well, 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:31.520 I knew about this and I didn't know that that 0:49:31.680 --> 0:49:34.520 was happening, and I wasn't okay with that. So a 0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:36.480 lot of these people, because that's what a lot of 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:39.319 people are saying, how do you have a Rico in 0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:45.279 Arico indictment without any code defenders? And somebody told me 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:47.800 And I'm not saying it's true, they're saying that the 0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:50.719 only two cases that they know to have been like 0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:53.560 this is him and R. Kelly where there's been a 0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:56.400 Rico indictment where no one else has any code defenders. 0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:59.440 Wow, look, there is no rule that you have to 0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:01.359 have colder all right? 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:05.520 Is there implicit bias and some sort of tilting of 0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:09.160 the scales? There could be they most likely is I 0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:14.040 don't think in any genre of the American tale, something 0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:17.360 wasn't like with a little squint eye. Right, But you 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:21.320 know that coming in, You know that after the baby, 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:23.520 after doctor slapped you in the butt, you gotta. 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:25.920 Know that, like I'm black, this is this is what's happening. 0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:30.640 So what might be the exception is not an exception 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:32.920 for you, it's part of the rule. It might be 0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:35.400 an exception to someone else. Now, what I will also 0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:38.359 say to you is that when you have someone that 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.440 quote unquote you want to label as a co conspirator, 0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:45.600 but yet you find so many acts that kind of 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:53.440 doves into them being a victim, you got to decide rights. 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:53.640 And the project has to decide. 0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:55.480 You know, I got a guy who's seven feet toll, 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:57.879 who gotta handle like Kyrie Irvan, can shoot driven whatever. 0:50:57.920 --> 0:50:59.680 Am I gonna play him as a centaurs. I'm gonna 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:00.600 let him do his thing. 0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:04.839 And so I'll make the analogy for Cassie right, I 0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:08.040 have someone who, yeah, may have been involved, and there's 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:10.360 a theory to say that maybe. 0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:11.759 She should be at the table. But if I have 0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:12.880 more data points. 0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:14.799 That says she's more of a victim than anything else, 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:18.279 I'm gonna use that and go that way. And the 0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:21.239 same thing with the security guard or security in and 0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:28.520 because remember, for those who don't know, racketeering also includes extortion. 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:30.680 So if you're. 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:34.040 Employed and your employer are saying you have to do 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:38.560 this else you'll get fired, right or you never work 0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:39.320 in this industry? 0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:44.239 Again, Well, isn't that like extortion. I'm not saying it. 0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:45.480 I'm not saying he did it or. 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:49.600 Right, I'm just saying that that's the theory, that's right. 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:54.759 I think that I think that you know our intention 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:58.359 is because it's eight weeks, so we're only in week 0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:00.680 two and it's at the beginning of wet stop. 0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:03.319 Can I stop you right there? Say that one more time? Yeah, 0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:03.840 what we have? 0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:07.120 We one in a day, We one in one day, so. 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:10.759 We got eight weeks of testimony that's coming down. 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:11.400 We don't know. 0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:13.560 Do you think they won or lost this case with 0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:14.120 one person? 0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:14.400 That's it? 0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:15.080 They don't. 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:17.560 I don't think that at all and I've been saying that, 0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:20.680 but I'm just saying that because we haven't watched it 0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:23.200 all play out, and we do know how the justice 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:30.360 system is complicit in the violence towards black men and 0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:34.080 black people. Therefore, we all are going to pay very 0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:37.319 close attention because people want to point out six white 0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:41.600 women as the prosecutors on this case and different points. 0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:43.839 So I'm just putting that out there so people are 0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:46.200 not like, oh, they just putting them in jail. We're 0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:49.719 not saying that because when people say, well, they have 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:53.120 an eighty something percent chance of winning, that means there's 0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:56.600 a twelve percent, thirteen percent, almost twenty percent chance of 0:52:56.680 --> 0:52:59.680 not winning. So you don't know until you get towards 0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:03.080 the end, and I guess probably a week six, week seven, 0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:07.680 you as a lawyer and a former prosecutor, will probably 0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:10.400 have a better sense of like where the cake is 0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:12.759 being baked and how it's coming out, even though you 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:15.759 may have some ideas today, but we're not going to 0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:17.960 give that because our people ain't ready for that yet. 0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:19.720 In the process. 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:24.400 Look, just like a doctor, you come in and you sniffling, 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:27.719 and you don't have a fever. He's already or she's 0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:31.880 already doing the diagnosis. Already, they don't even take nothing. 0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:34.440 You sneezing, you don't have a fever. Certain things are 0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:35.160 being eliminated. 0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:39.879 So now that the list get what else you don't eat, 0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:42.880 you don't keep fluids down, the list gets smaller. So 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:47.480 as an attorney, respectfully, once I read the indictment and 0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:50.920 I start seeing what's the a's and the bees, and 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:55.320 I don't know about anybody else, I think the reason 0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:56.880 why I'm good and the reason why I like it. 0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:59.080 I think the reason why people that I represent, whether 0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:00.600 they go do time at the end of the day 0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:03.359 or whether they go home free, is that we're gonna 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:06.680 walk this war. And you better tell me something because 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.399 I cannot walk in the room where somebody knows more 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:12.000 than I, because I don't know if you've blown smoke 0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:12.640 up my nose. 0:54:13.400 --> 0:54:15.839 I don't know. I need to know. Now, some people, Oh, 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:17.920 you represent, You want to find out he's guilty innocent? 0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:24.960 No, But this is how sometimes doctors misdiagnose people right 0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:28.800 because they haven't done the proper testing correct. They're making 0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:33.239 a decision based upon the theories of whatever's top of mind. 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:36.480 You look like, next thing you know I got cancer, 0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:40.080 but you said it was COVID or some other thing 0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:45.680 and didn't give me the proper full analysis to make 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:47.960 sure of what I actually have. And now I'm in 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:50.640 stage three and we didn't know because you didn't do 0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:51.560 that work right. 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:53.759 And part of the part of the analogy and the 0:54:53.760 --> 0:54:56.319 equation that I really want to focus on in that 0:54:56.600 --> 0:54:59.000 is this is that I'm only as good as you 0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:01.799 gonna let me be m hm. So if I'm asking you, 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:05.920 are you sniffling? Do you feel this way? You're like, no, Well, 0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:08.480 now you're sending me on path where I can ultimately 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:11.920 misdiagnose you. So there has to be some give and 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:14.839 take in this process of what I'm reading and what's 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:15.480 going to go on. 0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:19.640 But but but black people, black people, I think we're 0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:20.879 kind of going off somewhere else. 0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:27.440 But whatever, But black people have historically been. 0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:30.640 Misdiagnosed just because the doctor doesn't even care what yourself. 0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:32.120 Well, And this is this is the great thing, And 0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:34.799 that's why I like doing what I do. That's why 0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:40.080 I'm glad to see at least one brother on his team, 0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:45.120 because there has to be conversations, there have to be relatability. 0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:47.200 There has to be what's smoke, what's not. There has 0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:49.000 to be trust, there has to be all. 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:52.720 These things that go on in order for quote unquote 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:55.319 there to be a fair trial, right, and that's what 0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:56.399 we that's what we're looking for. 0:55:57.920 --> 0:55:59.479 So you think he's going to get a fair trial. 0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:05.840 I would say yes, he's going to get a fair trial. 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:08.719 And I would say no, he will not get a 0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:11.480 fair trial because one I have to say yes and 0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:13.719 no because I know some of the attorneys that's on 0:56:13.760 --> 0:56:15.600 the staff. They are really good at what they do, 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:18.040 and so they're going to stop certain things from happening. 0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:21.120 But the judge is the ultimate ruler. The judge can 0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:25.080 say no overrule. You have to take it up on appeal. 0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:27.160 The case is over. 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:30.719 An appeal is after you've already been convicted, right, so 0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:33.320 you might be vindicated, but you served four or five years. 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:36.400 So there's judgment calls that are going to happen that 0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:39.640 legal minds are going to disagree with. You know, what 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:44.440 is enough narrative? You know how much is overkilled? Can 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:47.200 you go in this area or not that area? We 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:47.960 want to move on. 0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:51.160 With the rest of the case. How do we want 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:51.680 to proceed? 0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:53.920 But then there's going to be parted that some stuff 0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:55.960 is just going to be stubborn. It's just going to 0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:59.400 be stubborn evidence. Videos that you saw are stubborn evidence. 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:03.160 You can say what you want. That video is saying 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:05.960 more than what you could even say verbally, and how 0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:07.040 can you? 0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:09.520 But I think for me, what most people are saying 0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:11.200 is you can't discount the video. 0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:13.799 Any video, not one particular. I don't know what else, 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:14.160 what else. 0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:17.680 I'm just saying, based on the video that we've seen, Okay, right, 0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:21.120 we see domestic violence, right right, And that's what most people. 0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:26.360 Most people are one hundred percent clear that or not clear. 0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:30.280 Most people will will pretty much say that based on 0:57:30.360 --> 0:57:33.920 what they've seen and based off even testimony, just based 0:57:33.920 --> 0:57:37.439 off a lot of you know, what we've seen over 0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:40.040 the last couple of weeks. So there is a strong 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:42.840 possibility that he was abusive to Castle. 0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:44.920 Not strong possibility, I. 0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:48.200 Mean on a regular basis. We know this one situation happened. 0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:50.600 But people will say there's a strong because we didn't 0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:52.720 see the other stuff. Right, we just make an assessment 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:56.160 based on that situation, based on her testimony and based 0:57:56.160 --> 0:58:00.600 on other testimony and just what we've seen it is 0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:03.520 a strong possibility. People say this like it's more than 0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:06.120 likely that he's put his hands on more than one 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:07.800 time off camera off camera. 0:58:08.240 --> 0:58:12.160 Right, it was off camera that day, right, but for 0:58:12.400 --> 0:58:15.800 but for But I'm just trying to take the point 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:19.240 that that was off camera. Nobody was standing there with 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:22.360 the thing filming them, So I'm just saying that we 0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:23.640 visually didn't see. 0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:28.320 So what I'm saying is and people, most people are 0:58:28.360 --> 0:58:32.240 one hundred percent clear, and they believe that there should 0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:38.080 be some repercussions for what he did, whatever the minimum. 0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:41.320 But I think with people are having a hard time 0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:45.280 wrapping their heads around most people more often most people, 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:47.880 some people, because I won't say most, there are people 0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:51.040 that have a very hard. 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:55.480 Time with sex trafficking in the recach. 0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:58.080 They just do they when you look at when you 0:58:58.120 --> 0:58:59.600 when you see that, let me. 0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:01.600 Just say what they're having a hard time because they 0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:02.840 haven't seen anything yet. 0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:06.840 Okay, you're having a hard time. 0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:08.720 People may be having a hard time with something that 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:12.040 they haven't They want, they want they want to dessert. 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:15.680 You gotta have dinner. They got to take human bites rights. 0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:19.560 As the bits start to come pro or con then 0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:21.880 you can start to say I don't think they proved this. 0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:24.160 That, and you can't say it hasn't been proven yet 0:59:24.160 --> 0:59:25.680 because they haven't even played out there. 0:59:25.720 --> 0:59:29.000 They haven't even they haven't done. They laid the found 0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:38.160 I'm gonna assume I'm they just laid the foundation. Royce Russell, prosecutor, 0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:40.520 will not put his best witness on. We'll put a 0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:43.520 witness on that lays the foundation. Not a witness that 0:59:43.520 --> 0:59:46.680 people will fall asleep, but people are interested, and that 0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:50.760 lays the foundation. If you think that the case is 0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:53.000 over in this one witness, then you're right. You have 0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:55.120 all those conclusions. They didn't do this. 0:59:55.160 --> 0:59:58.520 They didn't say anything about sex trafficking. No, she's one 0:59:58.560 --> 1:00:01.280 witness that said one thing right. And that's the way 1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:03.600 the Feds like to work. They like to work in 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:07.600 very didactical, piece by piece. They'll have you come in 1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:11.480 twenty times and to ask you that same question over, 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:14.960 not just to see whether or not you're telling the truth. 1:00:15.160 --> 1:00:17.640 It's because they went and asked somebody else some other 1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:19.680 questions and that person said. 1:00:19.520 --> 1:00:22.480 AB and C. So they're coming back to you. 1:00:22.640 --> 1:00:24.400 All right, we're gonna talk about A B A B 1:00:24.520 --> 1:00:26.440 A B A B and then you might slip in 1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:27.760 a C and then. 1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:28.920 Now they got two c's. 1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:31.200 All right, So now that person was telling the truth, 1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:33.280 and now I got you telling you. Now I can 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:35.920 build on that. It's a puzzle for them. It is 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:41.240 not straight rush the prosecution. Now, as you were giving 1:00:41.240 --> 1:00:44.880 out numbers eighty eighty percent, ninety five percent, you know 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:46.080 the numbers are very high. 1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:48.720 You know, I practice in federal court, and. 1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:49.919 You won mostly games. 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:51.560 Folks do take no. 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:51.760 No. 1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:53.720 I could sit here and tell you no, not in 1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:56.480 federal court, no state state. 1:00:57.440 --> 1:00:58.360 Those are totally two. 1:01:00.320 --> 1:01:01.720 Which one as a prosecutor. 1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:04.080 Oh, as a prosecutor, I was fantabulous. 1:01:04.160 --> 1:01:07.520 I mean, you know, as a prosecutor federal court. 1:01:07.920 --> 1:01:09.880 Because here's the storyline with that. 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:14.040 People are not used to seeing people of color operate 1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:17.600 the way I operate, right, and so there's a somewhat 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:19.800 of a little bit of a bottom line that I 1:01:19.840 --> 1:01:22.960 want to believe you just on how you operated. 1:01:23.120 --> 1:01:27.080 And then you got the facts to corroborate. Look, I'm 1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:29.400 telling you the truth. You need to listen to me. 1:01:30.040 --> 1:01:32.320 And the way we worked in the federal government. We 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:35.320 got sixteen seventeen people. All I got to do is 1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:38.000 just try this case anything that's appealable, anything that comes 1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:41.200 to I got all person sitting there writing a note. Sorry, 1:01:41.240 --> 1:01:44.280 we're gonna get that. When you're a defense counsel and 1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:47.360 you're there, you don't have the flock of thirty people. 1:01:47.480 --> 1:01:48.840 So why did you leave and do? 1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:52.360 And so if you were having such success as a prosecutor, 1:01:52.400 --> 1:01:54.320 why look we now I'm in your personal business. 1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:55.760 No I why did. 1:01:55.680 --> 1:01:57.840 You go and get in the hard work of being 1:01:57.840 --> 1:01:59.120 a criminal defense attorney? 1:01:59.120 --> 1:02:01.280 Because sometimes you be a stressed out Oh. 1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:04.120 No, not sometimes, And it's not necessarily what happens in 1:02:04.160 --> 1:02:06.080 the court. What's happening out of the court trying to 1:02:06.120 --> 1:02:07.840 talk to someone and say, look, you need to see 1:02:07.840 --> 1:02:11.040 it the way I'm seeing it because I saw what 1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:14.680 was behind curtain number one. I took a peak, and 1:02:14.720 --> 1:02:17.360 what you're saying to me is not relating to taking 1:02:17.360 --> 1:02:17.840 that peak. 1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:20.200 Now, we could do whatever you want, and I'm your 1:02:20.240 --> 1:02:20.680 main man. 1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:22.760 We can go one hundred grand, but there's going to 1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:25.160 come a time that that door is going to open, 1:02:25.200 --> 1:02:27.120 and it's a good possibility I may go left and 1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:28.000 you may have to go right. 1:02:28.560 --> 1:02:31.520 On the federal level, because that's just how tight it is. 1:02:32.080 --> 1:02:35.480 That's how they just have the people that you think 1:02:35.880 --> 1:02:36.040 you know. 1:02:36.240 --> 1:02:38.720 Numerous times on the state levels of Defense Council, my 1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:41.640 clients will say, oh, that person's not showing up, and 1:02:41.680 --> 1:02:45.000 they right. I've never been on a case, in a 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:48.200 federal case where somebody said they're not showing up. Everybody 1:02:48.240 --> 1:02:48.760 shows up. 1:02:49.440 --> 1:02:53.400 Well, they said they lost a third witness for I'm 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:56.160 just saying they couldn't front them so that. 1:02:57.720 --> 1:02:58.040 Happen. 1:02:58.160 --> 1:03:03.280 Things could happen, and it ain't over. They can't. You can't, right. 1:03:03.360 --> 1:03:08.320 I represented people where like, look, I'm getting. 1:03:08.040 --> 1:03:10.880 The call because they're gonna arrest you and you're gonna 1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:13.640 be in the pokey until you come around. 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:15.880 Yeah. 1:03:16.960 --> 1:03:19.040 Now we're gonna take your name off the witness list 1:03:19.080 --> 1:03:21.520 for today, We're gonna bring you and you're gonna be. 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:24.280 You're gonna be on the next Thursday. And then between 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:27.680 that time they may be conversations and hearings where the 1:03:27.760 --> 1:03:31.320 judge will hold you in contempt and you go behind. 1:03:31.040 --> 1:03:32.560 Jesus you don't want to be in trouble. 1:03:33.360 --> 1:03:35.760 You go behind bars a little bit, and you better 1:03:35.760 --> 1:03:37.720 hope that they don't hit you with one thousand and one. 1:03:37.920 --> 1:03:40.960 I'm getting real technical, uh, you know, which is obstructing 1:03:41.000 --> 1:03:43.640 a federal investigation. Now you got to think about that. 1:03:44.640 --> 1:03:48.280 And you didn't sign up for that, No way that 1:03:48.360 --> 1:03:50.640 you sign up for that. You just went downstairs and 1:03:50.640 --> 1:03:52.480 got six coffees because the man told you to go 1:03:52.520 --> 1:03:55.920 downstairs to get six coffees. That's how why the conspiracy 1:03:55.920 --> 1:03:59.880 could be wow right. I've had a case where the 1:04:00.000 --> 1:04:01.800 woman was on the phone. She said, oh yeah, baby, 1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:05.520 I'll meet you at the spot. The spot turned out 1:04:05.560 --> 1:04:06.440 to be the drug spot. 1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:06.959 It wasn't. 1:04:07.000 --> 1:04:08.880 She didn't mean. She didn't mean the drug spot. 1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:10.560 She was talking about, I meet you at the club, 1:04:10.600 --> 1:04:12.840 I meet you later on. They heard spot. Next thing 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:15.800 you know, she's wrapped in a conspiracy. I'm like, now 1:04:15.800 --> 1:04:19.760 you got to do the culturalization, you gotta do the understanding. 1:04:19.760 --> 1:04:24.160 And then she doesn't actually know about the drugs, because 1:04:24.160 --> 1:04:27.640 that's the key. They They probably already know you're not 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:29.800 talking about the drug spot, but they know you know 1:04:29.840 --> 1:04:32.600 about the drug spot. So even if you wasn't talking 1:04:32.600 --> 1:04:35.520 about it in that conversation, they're gonna use you and say, listen, 1:04:35.640 --> 1:04:37.440 we think you was talking about the spot, and if not, 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:39.000 we're gonna get you this and that, and you need 1:04:39.040 --> 1:04:41.520 to tell us something. Well, I wasn't talk all right, Well, listen, 1:04:41.560 --> 1:04:43.160 I do know about such and such, and he know 1:04:43.240 --> 1:04:45.320 about the spot and I've seen him go to and 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:47.960 that's how they do compromise and compromise. 1:04:48.240 --> 1:04:51.480 So the rico does not need more than one defendant. 1:04:51.800 --> 1:04:55.000 No, it needs more than one. I mean, you don't 1:04:55.040 --> 1:04:56.520 have to charge, you don't have to put them on 1:04:56.520 --> 1:04:57.440 the indictment. 1:04:57.080 --> 1:05:00.160 You don't have to have to prove it that they 1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:03.360 So there's nobody no one else has to be sitting 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:04.720 next to. 1:05:06.760 --> 1:05:07.560 So that's one. 1:05:08.080 --> 1:05:13.000 Now let's talk about sex trafficking, because that's very I mean, 1:05:13.800 --> 1:05:18.160 I'm even very not confused because I went and got 1:05:18.160 --> 1:05:23.280 myself very much so caught up to speed. But especially 1:05:23.320 --> 1:05:26.360 when you have children and you know, and we work 1:05:26.400 --> 1:05:29.200 with black folks all the time, and I'm hearing sex 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:33.120 trafficking more and more now. I used to only see 1:05:33.120 --> 1:05:40.880 sex trafficking as the white van kidnapped or even and 1:05:40.920 --> 1:05:44.480 I think I did get the point of sort of 1:05:44.560 --> 1:05:49.240 coercion that turns into I'm unable to leave, right Like 1:05:49.320 --> 1:05:52.520 at first I was kind of just hanging out with 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:54.040 you and then the next thing, you know, the door 1:05:54.160 --> 1:05:57.520 was locked or the thing happened. I'm drugged or whatever, 1:05:57.560 --> 1:05:59.920 and now I can't leave, and now you moved me 1:06:00.280 --> 1:06:03.919 somewhere or you took me over here. So I kind 1:06:03.920 --> 1:06:08.200 of get that content. But what I think again, where 1:06:08.240 --> 1:06:12.400 people struggle in this particular case, and I you know anyway, 1:06:12.400 --> 1:06:15.680 where people struggle in this particular case is the idea 1:06:15.920 --> 1:06:21.600 that somebody is a willing participant, even an escort who 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:24.920 is a willing participant. They got the call, you know, 1:06:24.960 --> 1:06:28.160 you found them in the magazine or wherever, wherever on 1:06:28.200 --> 1:06:30.960 the street, in the strip club, whatever, and they say, oh, yeah, 1:06:31.000 --> 1:06:33.560 you know, I'll go out with you, and then you 1:06:33.680 --> 1:06:37.920 pay them. They know that sex is an expectation. And 1:06:37.960 --> 1:06:40.280 then you say, but I want a matter of fact, 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:43.080 we made it. Might have did it in Kentucky when 1:06:43.080 --> 1:06:46.120 I met you that day. But now you're so good 1:06:46.160 --> 1:06:48.640 at what you do, I'm gonna fly you to Miami, 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:50.480 or I'm gonna bring you over here, or I want 1:06:50.520 --> 1:06:53.479 you to meet me on in Jersey from New York. 1:06:54.600 --> 1:06:56.880 That's where it gets to be rvery And I think 1:06:56.920 --> 1:06:59.960 it's important perfer. You know, that's one thing. Let's put 1:07:00.120 --> 1:07:02.840 that over here. I'm just saying that there's some young 1:07:02.960 --> 1:07:07.000 cats that flew the girl out all the time, flying 1:07:07.080 --> 1:07:12.760 this one over here they meet. It's particularly strippers, which 1:07:12.800 --> 1:07:15.280 I was reading something the other day and I said, whoa, whoa. 1:07:15.960 --> 1:07:19.280 The stripper thing is really serious because you met them 1:07:19.320 --> 1:07:22.480 in an environment and they're not your girlfriend that you 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:25.320 flew out like this is somebody that you now are 1:07:25.360 --> 1:07:29.200 giving money to to see them again. And then sex happens, 1:07:29.320 --> 1:07:31.360 and a lot of these young guys I see them 1:07:31.400 --> 1:07:35.480 on social media like what sex trafficking? So I just 1:07:35.480 --> 1:07:37.560 wanted to you for you to talk a little bit 1:07:37.600 --> 1:07:38.080 about that. 1:07:38.800 --> 1:07:42.360 Well, I mean it is very very nuanced, right, because 1:07:42.440 --> 1:07:46.360 there's the definition could be played with in how you 1:07:46.440 --> 1:07:50.560 view it. Right, I would say that there's a lot 1:07:50.560 --> 1:07:53.960 of things that we do that are criminal, but you 1:07:54.040 --> 1:07:57.720 never get charged for every time you jaywalk, that's a crime. 1:07:58.320 --> 1:08:00.640 No way ever gets a ticket for it. That doesn't 1:08:00.640 --> 1:08:01.600 mean it wasn't a crime. 1:08:02.320 --> 1:08:03.760 Right, Spitting on the street is the crime. 1:08:07.600 --> 1:08:10.840 Now you're looking. So you're in a strip club, you're 1:08:10.840 --> 1:08:13.800 giving money, you're doing that, and people say, well, how 1:08:13.880 --> 1:08:16.800 is that any different? How is that any different? 1:08:16.840 --> 1:08:19.240 Well, when the federal government gets involved and you flying 1:08:19.280 --> 1:08:21.599 people and you driving people, this is what see, that's 1:08:21.600 --> 1:08:23.840 the nuance, right The federal government said, y'all, caul do 1:08:23.840 --> 1:08:26.599 what you want in the state. But if we want 1:08:26.600 --> 1:08:28.680 to do something, we're just going to look at how 1:08:28.680 --> 1:08:32.040 you travel because we got the underlying act. How do 1:08:32.080 --> 1:08:34.880 we get in our jurisdiction. Oh you jumped on eighty seven. 1:08:35.320 --> 1:08:38.479 Oh you took ninety five. Oh you went from Newark, 1:08:38.640 --> 1:08:41.880 you flew all that is us And if they want you, 1:08:41.960 --> 1:08:44.519 then that's where they commit. Now, what I will tell 1:08:44.560 --> 1:08:46.519 you is is that what I hear all the time 1:08:47.160 --> 1:08:52.280 from family, friends and folds is that old consentual, consentual, consentual. 1:08:52.360 --> 1:08:55.160 All this stuff is concentral, consentual central. And I harken 1:08:55.240 --> 1:08:58.000 them back to read the Miseducation of Negro. If I 1:08:58.040 --> 1:09:00.920 control your thinking, I don't have to worry about your actions, 1:09:01.760 --> 1:09:04.599 and that's and you if you just take that right 1:09:04.640 --> 1:09:08.120 there and think about this case. If I control your thinking, 1:09:08.640 --> 1:09:11.080 I ain't gotta worry about your actions, So that means 1:09:11.520 --> 1:09:13.439 back in slavery. If I control your thinking, I ain't 1:09:13.439 --> 1:09:15.000 gonta worry about you running out the back door to 1:09:15.000 --> 1:09:16.719 try to leave run away. 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:19.360 For I'm not. 1:09:19.280 --> 1:09:21.519 Saying what I'm saying. 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:23.080 What we say. What we're saying. 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:25.880 We're saying is that if I control your thinking, I 1:09:25.880 --> 1:09:27.120 ain't gonta worry about your actions. 1:09:27.280 --> 1:09:30.200 So why didn't she leave? Did I control her thinking? 1:09:30.520 --> 1:09:31.639 I ain't gotta worry about leaving? 1:09:32.280 --> 1:09:35.320 Why didn't he tell? Did I control this thinking? I 1:09:35.320 --> 1:09:36.759 ain't gonna worry about him telling? 1:09:37.120 --> 1:09:37.360 Now? 1:09:37.479 --> 1:09:40.840 How do you control ones? Thinking? Low self esteem? Give 1:09:40.880 --> 1:09:43.679 you some money? However you do it, you do it. 1:09:43.760 --> 1:09:47.080 But people think if while I'm buying you gifts, Right, 1:09:47.120 --> 1:09:51.040 if a person is buying you gifts, then that means 1:09:51.080 --> 1:09:55.799 that you want the lifestyle, you want, the things you want, 1:09:55.960 --> 1:09:59.000 whatever the job that I can offer you. Right, you 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:04.320 are yourself in a situation where you know that I'm 1:10:05.320 --> 1:10:09.200 X amount of problematic things. But because you're trying to 1:10:09.240 --> 1:10:14.640 get to a means, then the ends justify it. And 1:10:14.680 --> 1:10:16.880 I'm not saying I agree with that at all. 1:10:16.760 --> 1:10:18.880 But this and it's a dynamic. Right. 1:10:18.920 --> 1:10:20.600 It's like women say, I want to deal with a 1:10:20.640 --> 1:10:24.680 powerful man. I like power. I'm intrigued by power a 1:10:24.720 --> 1:10:26.960 man can lead. I want to live the soft life. 1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:30.000 Want a man that can control that could tell me, hey, 1:10:30.000 --> 1:10:32.320 you shut up and you listen to me, and you 1:10:33.040 --> 1:10:34.080 aspire to get a. 1:10:34.040 --> 1:10:34.479 Man like that. 1:10:34.600 --> 1:10:36.840 Right, So there are men out here that I've had 1:10:36.920 --> 1:10:39.720 conversations with men that said, we are actually punishing a 1:10:39.800 --> 1:10:42.000 man because he got good gain now and he's powerful, 1:10:42.280 --> 1:10:46.680 and we're saying that a woman who succeeds to that power, right, 1:10:46.720 --> 1:10:49.959 becomes susceptible to that power and allows you to utilize 1:10:49.960 --> 1:10:53.280 that power and gains from that power, takes the money, 1:10:53.680 --> 1:10:56.400 enjoys all of the accolades that come with that power. 1:10:56.720 --> 1:11:00.679 The minute that she no longer wants to succeeds become 1:11:00.720 --> 1:11:02.719 susceptible to that, it becomes a crown. 1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:03.200 Well. 1:11:03.240 --> 1:11:07.280 See, nobody's nobody's going to accept that as anywhere near 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:11.720 what they would teach their loved ones, because you have 1:11:11.800 --> 1:11:15.040 societal norms and societal norms. Even though I like a 1:11:15.080 --> 1:11:17.519 man that's powerful, or I like a woman that's powerful, 1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:19.400 I don't want them choking me out. 1:11:19.800 --> 1:11:21.560 Oh no, we're not talking about the physical. 1:11:22.040 --> 1:11:24.439 Right, Yeah, because I don't want. 1:11:25.040 --> 1:11:25.559 Yeah, I don't want. 1:11:26.000 --> 1:11:27.479 Because that's that's the problem. 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:32.759 You can't make a straight vegan cake without mixing something 1:11:32.760 --> 1:11:34.679 in it. You gotta like, you gotta the cake, gotta 1:11:34.760 --> 1:11:36.160 have some weight, have some substance. 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:36.719 In it. 1:11:36.720 --> 1:11:38.400 It may not have any flower, but it's gonna have 1:11:38.439 --> 1:11:41.639 some assimilation of flower. It's gonna have something. 1:11:42.080 --> 1:11:45.920 So you can't talk about anything in isolation because it's 1:11:45.960 --> 1:11:49.920 all cole mingled. Nothing could be talked about in isolation. 1:11:50.360 --> 1:11:53.880 And I think for the most part, we may speak 1:11:54.000 --> 1:11:58.639 in isolation. We may speak in isolation like, oh, well, 1:11:59.080 --> 1:12:01.320 you know, she wanted them whoever she may be, or 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:04.320 he wanted a powerful woman. All right, he did to 1:12:04.400 --> 1:12:07.880 what degree? That's where the nuances come in. They come 1:12:07.920 --> 1:12:10.760 in and what degree? What degree are we talking about? 1:12:11.040 --> 1:12:13.960 Is it this much or is it this much? And 1:12:14.000 --> 1:12:16.920 that's where societal norms come in. Is it this much 1:12:17.080 --> 1:12:18.759 or is it this much? And that's what the jury 1:12:18.760 --> 1:12:20.040 will decide. 1:12:20.120 --> 1:12:23.360 That will decide. I've been saying it's gonna be rough. 1:12:23.840 --> 1:12:27.360 It's rough on both ends because I don't think no man, woman, 1:12:27.479 --> 1:12:31.000 or anybody of good conscious look at him beating Cassie 1:12:31.040 --> 1:12:34.080 and says that that was okay. I just don't think 1:12:34.160 --> 1:12:38.000 there's nobody saying, nah, she deserved Everybody saying whatever he 1:12:38.120 --> 1:12:39.840 deserved for beating that woman. 1:12:39.920 --> 1:12:40.760 He needs to get it. 1:12:40.920 --> 1:12:42.680 But I also think that there are a lot of 1:12:42.720 --> 1:12:45.360 people that are saying, when you look at the dynamic up, they. 1:12:45.320 --> 1:12:46.600 Were in a toxic relationship. 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:48.760 A lot of people saying this is a toxic relationship, 1:12:49.000 --> 1:12:51.240 and a lot of people have been in toxic relationships. 1:12:51.560 --> 1:12:53.719 And when you look at over a ten year span, 1:12:54.200 --> 1:12:56.360 you look at text message, look at communication they have, 1:12:56.520 --> 1:12:59.360 there was levels of love there, there was communication, There 1:12:59.479 --> 1:13:02.280 was dictated a lot of stuff. It was time that 1:13:02.280 --> 1:13:04.639 they actually showed where she was like, Oh, I want 1:13:04.640 --> 1:13:06.559 to do this freakom. He's like, Nah, you should just relax. 1:13:06.640 --> 1:13:08.880 You should go home. You got a movie deal, you 1:13:08.880 --> 1:13:09.639 got all these things. 1:13:09.800 --> 1:13:11.479 Relax. We don't got to do that. We need to 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:11.840 come back. 1:13:11.920 --> 1:13:14.519 There were times where you can just see that there 1:13:14.560 --> 1:13:18.200 was love in this situation. And what this this trial 1:13:18.439 --> 1:13:22.760 is portraying is that there was this manipulative evil man 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:26.040 that just controlled this woman and she had no right, 1:13:26.160 --> 1:13:28.559 she had no power over us. And I think that's 1:13:28.560 --> 1:13:31.280 the dynamic that a lot of people are struggling with. 1:13:31.360 --> 1:13:32.839 And naked look, they can struggle. 1:13:33.040 --> 1:13:35.160 I mean, I'm not going to say that they shouldn't, 1:13:35.200 --> 1:13:37.240 but what I'm saying is that you mentioned it is 1:13:37.240 --> 1:13:38.160 an eight week trial. 1:13:38.400 --> 1:13:42.800 We on day week and one day and that the case. 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:45.479 She is not being tried for what he did to 1:13:45.600 --> 1:13:48.439 Cassie and or be all, that's not the that's not 1:13:48.520 --> 1:13:48.960 the case. 1:13:49.520 --> 1:13:51.200 That's not that would be a short case. 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:55.559 We got eight weeks of other stuff that quite frankly, 1:13:55.840 --> 1:13:58.719 I hope our community pays attention to one way. 1:13:58.640 --> 1:14:00.120 Or that's what, because that's. 1:14:02.320 --> 1:14:02.720 That's not. 1:14:02.800 --> 1:14:07.400 Like I said, the real is to pay attention and I. 1:14:07.479 --> 1:14:09.880 Like, keep the main thing the main thing, look at 1:14:09.880 --> 1:14:12.679 the other thing, look at well, how many more receipts 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:15.559 we're going to see of somebody flying somewhere in and out. 1:14:15.600 --> 1:14:17.879 After a while, you're gonna get tired of seeing receipts? 1:14:17.920 --> 1:14:21.640 How many times we're going to hear? And that's the guts. 1:14:22.080 --> 1:14:25.599 Whether they can prove or not proof, that's that's right, 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:27.360 and not being frosting, that's the gut. 1:14:29.800 --> 1:14:32.040 You know, I've heard a lot of people. 1:14:32.479 --> 1:14:32.960 First of its. 1:14:33.000 --> 1:14:36.200 First of all, I want to name something that I 1:14:36.200 --> 1:14:40.439 think is important that it has come up in the 1:14:40.479 --> 1:14:45.040 Shannon Sharp situation as well. Right, power dynamics are very, 1:14:45.160 --> 1:14:46.160 very very important. 1:14:46.200 --> 1:14:47.559 You see it in corporate America all. 1:14:47.520 --> 1:14:51.960 Day every day, and that's why you can't sleep with 1:14:52.439 --> 1:14:54.839 and mix with people on your. 1:14:54.680 --> 1:14:57.000 Staff that are can't joke with. 1:14:57.680 --> 1:15:00.320 There's no you look good, you look nice today because 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:02.839 I don't know how you perceive that about that boss 1:15:02.880 --> 1:15:04.920 and you're the subordinated. 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:07.519 You got to just do the job. 1:15:07.600 --> 1:15:11.000 It is very important that people take away the main 1:15:11.120 --> 1:15:14.799 things from this trial, and like I said, the Shannon 1:15:14.840 --> 1:15:19.639 Sharp situation that you can't you have to be very 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:23.679 careful when you have power and money about how you 1:15:23.800 --> 1:15:26.120 operate with people who have less than you. 1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:29.400 With all people, with all people, with. 1:15:29.400 --> 1:15:32.320 All people, but with people who have less than you, 1:15:32.800 --> 1:15:37.840 there's always going to be a view that you were 1:15:38.000 --> 1:15:44.880 in control because you had the ability to move and 1:15:44.920 --> 1:15:49.160 maneuver things that another person or that other person did 1:15:49.160 --> 1:15:53.360 not have the ability to do. So if I begin 1:15:54.120 --> 1:15:58.800 having a relationship with some you know, younger employee of 1:15:58.920 --> 1:16:03.639 mine or a younger you know, my trainer or something 1:16:03.800 --> 1:16:07.000 like that, knowing the position that I'm in in life, 1:16:07.240 --> 1:16:10.400 and then all of a sudden he begins to be uncomfortable, 1:16:10.920 --> 1:16:15.560 I expose myself because I should never have been operating 1:16:15.720 --> 1:16:18.840 in that type of Uh. I want to say power 1:16:18.920 --> 1:16:20.240 dynamic in the first place, But. 1:16:20.160 --> 1:16:22.679 Do you think about Cassie is married to a trainer. 1:16:22.920 --> 1:16:25.479 Yeah, but I'm not so when we when we have. 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:27.680 In these cops, there's a there's a power dynamic in 1:16:27.760 --> 1:16:30.920 every situation, right, there's a power dynamic. And we and 1:16:30.920 --> 1:16:32.720 and and I'm not and I just want you to 1:16:32.800 --> 1:16:37.320 understand that we have in these conversations and there was 1:16:37.360 --> 1:16:39.599 a whole thing and I'm not bringing up any names, 1:16:39.600 --> 1:16:41.720 but there was a whole thing where they showed the 1:16:41.800 --> 1:16:45.519 dynamics of black men in powers dynamics and white men 1:16:45.520 --> 1:16:48.280 in power dynamics, and most of the white men in 1:16:48.320 --> 1:16:50.880 the same positions who have done way we know have 1:16:51.000 --> 1:16:56.439 done way. There's no direct attack to completely dismantle them. 1:16:57.720 --> 1:17:00.280 This is just a reality and this is a real 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:01.120 thing that we talked about. 1:17:01.160 --> 1:17:01.960 We can go from. 1:17:01.920 --> 1:17:05.120 Bill Kysy, Michael Jackson shit where we can look at 1:17:05.200 --> 1:17:08.320 every powerful man and that was black. There was a 1:17:08.400 --> 1:17:13.880 complete attack by the media everything to completely crush their 1:17:13.880 --> 1:17:15.960 whole appearance. They are white men who have been charged 1:17:16.000 --> 1:17:18.680 with the same thing Robert Kraft and got caught doing 1:17:18.680 --> 1:17:21.639 some sexual shit that should disappeared within a week. They 1:17:21.680 --> 1:17:24.880 talked about it. One day, it completely disappeared. We never 1:17:24.920 --> 1:17:27.760 heard about Hugh Heffnagina, We never heard the people who 1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:30.720 actually did the power dynamics of this real shit where 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:33.280 it started from that, we started a lot of not 1:17:33.360 --> 1:17:36.639 weed that black men started to mimic. These people would 1:17:36.680 --> 1:17:40.080 never their image and everything was never completely shattered. 1:17:40.360 --> 1:17:41.400 It never happened. 1:17:41.560 --> 1:17:43.400 So we not say we can say that there's a 1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:45.639 power that we gotta say the thing is the thing 1:17:45.920 --> 1:17:48.679 that black men in power have to be way more 1:17:48.680 --> 1:17:50.400 careful than every other man in power. 1:17:50.560 --> 1:17:55.240 And I'm and I'm saying that I want the system 1:17:55.320 --> 1:17:58.120 to be just and I want us to do just things. 1:17:58.760 --> 1:18:03.599 I'm saying that just because there is this issue where 1:18:03.640 --> 1:18:07.599 we know we as black people in general, not just 1:18:07.680 --> 1:18:14.040 black men, face discrimination and what is the word that 1:18:14.479 --> 1:18:17.639 the rules do not always apply or the rules always 1:18:17.640 --> 1:18:20.320 apply for us and don't always apply for other people. 1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:25.120 Just because all of that is true does not make 1:18:25.240 --> 1:18:30.599 me incapable of also seeing fault when fault is present 1:18:31.080 --> 1:18:34.840 in black men. So I have no there is In fact, 1:18:35.200 --> 1:18:39.960 I am very cautious about even saying that in the 1:18:40.000 --> 1:18:45.800 midst of a black man facing accountability for their actions, 1:18:45.880 --> 1:18:49.880 I'm very careful to not allow myself to say, well, 1:18:49.920 --> 1:18:52.679 what about the house that's burning down the street, Because 1:18:52.720 --> 1:18:54.160 this house is burning right here. 1:18:54.920 --> 1:18:58.639 Well, I'm not saying I am not saying you are. 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:01.479 I'm saying I know what I've the conversations that I've 1:19:01.479 --> 1:19:04.240 been having with people, not just about Puff, because people 1:19:04.280 --> 1:19:06.759 know not to really talk to me about Puff, because, 1:19:06.760 --> 1:19:10.439 as I've already said, I understand that we all are 1:19:10.520 --> 1:19:15.519 walking contradictions. When you love people, it is harder, especially me, 1:19:16.600 --> 1:19:19.639 never seeing Puff do any of these things. Right, Like, 1:19:19.960 --> 1:19:21.960 I don't know him as this person. I know him 1:19:21.960 --> 1:19:27.160 as a person who was always kind, supportive of me, helpful, 1:19:27.640 --> 1:19:32.080 fun funny, but still very respectful of me. But I 1:19:32.160 --> 1:19:35.719 also know that I'm a very privileged individual that certain 1:19:35.760 --> 1:19:38.839 people are not going to do and say certain things 1:19:38.880 --> 1:19:41.439 to me, and so I have to listen to other 1:19:41.520 --> 1:19:45.000 people's experiences and see how it all plays out. Right, 1:19:45.280 --> 1:19:48.000 So what I'm saying is that people don't really talk 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:50.040 to me about that because when they start, I'm like, look, 1:19:50.080 --> 1:19:51.280 I don't even want to talk about it. 1:19:51.920 --> 1:19:55.599 But there are other scenarios where I have had black men. 1:19:55.560 --> 1:19:58.479 Say to me, oh, well, such and such beat so 1:19:58.600 --> 1:20:00.880 and so the white man did it, or the so 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:03.040 and so did it, And now all of a sudden, 1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:05.120 because I did it all because my brother or my 1:20:05.240 --> 1:20:08.200 cousin did it. Now this means that I you know, 1:20:08.880 --> 1:20:12.040 it's it's unfair. Well, first of all, we live in 1:20:12.200 --> 1:20:16.439 unfair reality. And if we know that, then we already 1:20:16.479 --> 1:20:18.240 know because we say things all the time. 1:20:18.320 --> 1:20:20.720 As a black person, I know better. I'm not doing this. 1:20:20.840 --> 1:20:24.839 I'm not going running through a community, you know, and 1:20:24.880 --> 1:20:27.680 you tell your kids, don't you go running through them 1:20:27.680 --> 1:20:31.759 people neighborhood at night, because you know what can happen. 1:20:32.040 --> 1:20:35.840 But basically, that's exactly what I was saying. 1:20:36.240 --> 1:20:36.880 We are black. 1:20:36.960 --> 1:20:39.879 So when you say as men, there's a power dynamic, 1:20:39.880 --> 1:20:42.240 it's not as men. It's not when we look at 1:20:42.240 --> 1:20:45.400 it in totality, it's not. The rules do not apply 1:20:45.479 --> 1:20:47.519 to all men the way that they apply to black men. 1:20:47.760 --> 1:20:49.479 And that's all I'm trying to say, and I'm not 1:20:49.520 --> 1:20:51.920 saying is when we talk about physical abuse and all that, 1:20:51.960 --> 1:20:52.479 I'm not even talking. 1:20:52.479 --> 1:20:54.040 I'm talking about the power dynamic. 1:20:54.479 --> 1:20:57.679 When we look at the power dynamic, black men are 1:20:58.000 --> 1:21:00.639 scrutinized way more in these power done them. We got 1:21:00.800 --> 1:21:04.040 Cromo's accus now he's running for the man tomorrow. We 1:21:04.120 --> 1:21:06.720 got all these things that disappear. It don't disappear for 1:21:06.800 --> 1:21:08.960 black men. T I went through, whatever you went through, 1:21:09.000 --> 1:21:11.880 they said this didn't happen. Nobody said sorry, nobody gives 1:21:11.920 --> 1:21:14.479 a fuck. So these are realities that black men deal 1:21:14.479 --> 1:21:17.040 with all the time. They diminish you, they take all 1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:19.200 the shit, you take all the charges, and even if 1:21:19.240 --> 1:21:21.919 you find guilty, you can't if you found not guilty, 1:21:22.240 --> 1:21:26.519 they never rebuild you. There's never no recourse, there's nothing back. 1:21:26.640 --> 1:21:29.240 Nobody's getting charged in it. None of that happens for 1:21:29.320 --> 1:21:31.080 black men. And that's just the reality that we have 1:21:31.120 --> 1:21:33.559 to deal with. So I acknowledge that we have to 1:21:33.600 --> 1:21:36.120 be way more cautious, but don't we can't make it 1:21:36.160 --> 1:21:39.040 seem like the playing fields evil for even for black 1:21:39.080 --> 1:21:40.880 men that it is for everybody else. 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:42.840 But that's the story that we've been saying. I mean, 1:21:42.880 --> 1:21:45.720 we're born into that, right, we know that, right. And 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:49.559 so I think where some folks get misled is that 1:21:49.720 --> 1:21:52.879 they buy into that it's. 1:21:52.720 --> 1:21:53.800 Not gonna happen to me. 1:21:55.880 --> 1:21:57.880 And once you once you, once you lift up the 1:21:57.920 --> 1:22:00.120 shade a little bit and you think it's not going 1:22:00.200 --> 1:22:03.080 to happened to you, that's when it happens to you. 1:22:03.560 --> 1:22:09.639 That's just that's just how it happens, period, and whether 1:22:09.800 --> 1:22:14.280 right or wrong, Shannon Sharp or not. Whoever, if you 1:22:14.439 --> 1:22:19.599 think that you are not on the eye of the tiger, 1:22:20.000 --> 1:22:20.479 you wrong. 1:22:20.560 --> 1:22:22.879 You should act as if you always. 1:22:24.080 --> 1:22:27.120 Someone's always looking at you and looking for you, period, 1:22:28.080 --> 1:22:30.400 men and women, period. 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:31.519 That's it. 1:22:32.360 --> 1:22:35.080 If they got to find something and they going to contrite. 1:22:35.280 --> 1:22:37.479 Our community is more than happy to be behind you. 1:22:37.520 --> 1:22:40.320 When there's something that's contrite, you're just trying to find something. 1:22:40.880 --> 1:22:42.800 But when something has some meat on the bone, you 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:44.760 got a problem. 1:22:44.760 --> 1:22:48.160 And that's irrespective of this case right here. 1:22:48.720 --> 1:22:52.759 So we talked about nuance today that these all these 1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:55.400 these things because you had said early in my son 1:22:55.479 --> 1:22:58.160 that reco charges are designed for you not to be 1:22:58.200 --> 1:22:58.800 able to beat them. 1:22:59.000 --> 1:23:00.720 Yeah, agree with that. 1:23:00.840 --> 1:23:04.200 I would agree, I would, I would, I would agree. 1:23:04.479 --> 1:23:08.120 So let me let me say I agree in the sentiment, 1:23:08.560 --> 1:23:10.600 I don't necessarily agree with the words. 1:23:11.120 --> 1:23:11.320 Right. 1:23:12.560 --> 1:23:18.800 Rico speaks to conspiracy and two or more and a 1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:25.479 whole litany of crimes that you can commit and can 1:23:25.520 --> 1:23:29.479 you beat it if you act by yourself, But if 1:23:29.479 --> 1:23:31.320 there's other people that are around you that acting. 1:23:31.360 --> 1:23:32.120 Everybody has a. 1:23:32.000 --> 1:23:35.479 Soft soft spot you can get in this situation that 1:23:35.479 --> 1:23:38.599 has nothing to do with this case and decide that 1:23:38.680 --> 1:23:41.840 this is the best thing that's got me going. I 1:23:41.880 --> 1:23:44.120 mean that that's just the reality. 1:23:44.840 --> 1:23:46.920 That's just so we got we can look at we 1:23:46.960 --> 1:23:50.000 can look at situations like Brian Benjamin, like when they 1:23:50.120 --> 1:23:53.240 start coming with you, Rico, you don't have they don't 1:23:53.280 --> 1:23:54.720 most of the time, they don't have nothing to do 1:23:54.760 --> 1:23:55.240 with nothing. 1:23:56.360 --> 1:23:56.760 You don't. 1:23:57.080 --> 1:23:59.000 And they got one person like he said, got nothing 1:23:59.000 --> 1:24:00.439 to do with this case, but he's a rested for 1:24:00.479 --> 1:24:03.280 something else. And he said, well, you know, I might 1:24:03.320 --> 1:24:05.000 have done this or he might have said this to 1:24:05.040 --> 1:24:07.360 me and next thing you know, And it's but I'm 1:24:07.400 --> 1:24:09.280 just trying to tell you that we just judge a 1:24:09.280 --> 1:24:11.920 little different. This is my person. We definitely judge it. 1:24:11.960 --> 1:24:16.080 No I can walking in and as a prosecutor, yeah, 1:24:16.080 --> 1:24:18.519 we're definitely judged a whole lot different. 1:24:19.240 --> 1:24:22.160 But I can't accept that from you as a defendant, 1:24:22.560 --> 1:24:26.880 that you didn't understand that part about America, Like that's 1:24:26.920 --> 1:24:28.880 the part that's the part that we like, we're. 1:24:28.720 --> 1:24:31.160 Gonna we're gonna rock out, we're gonna scramble, but a 1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:32.799 lot of times you gotta understand. 1:24:32.880 --> 1:24:33.840 But that's what that's what. 1:24:33.720 --> 1:24:37.320 The power dynamic does right when you look at powerful 1:24:37.320 --> 1:24:40.639 man that's been powerful for thirty years and you're hanging 1:24:40.680 --> 1:24:42.880 around these white men and they're doing the same shit, 1:24:43.000 --> 1:24:43.880 and you forget. 1:24:43.960 --> 1:24:46.680 You start thinking we're on the same level they doing it. 1:24:46.880 --> 1:24:49.200 Oh, this is okay, good, And it just seems like 1:24:50.560 --> 1:24:53.200 you could do like you said, you commit crimes every day. 1:24:53.240 --> 1:24:57.479 Because I know that there are people who got caught 1:24:57.600 --> 1:25:00.759 up in these types of cases didn't even know at all. 1:25:00.880 --> 1:25:04.960 They really truly did not understand that they were involved 1:25:05.000 --> 1:25:08.040 with or helping to further because I kept reading that 1:25:08.040 --> 1:25:09.639 that's right, helping to further. 1:25:09.800 --> 1:25:11.760 So the wall You. 1:25:11.680 --> 1:25:14.479 Went and picked somebody up from the airport, Dang, well, 1:25:14.560 --> 1:25:16.360 you thought it was like he told me to pick 1:25:16.439 --> 1:25:17.840 up something or she. 1:25:18.680 --> 1:25:21.160 But if he mentions to you on the way out 1:25:21.240 --> 1:25:24.120 the car, I'm about to go smoke this thing or 1:25:24.160 --> 1:25:25.760 do this thing or whatever. 1:25:25.640 --> 1:25:27.879 Then does that And I still don't. 1:25:27.760 --> 1:25:29.720 Understand how if I picked you up and took to 1:25:29.720 --> 1:25:32.920 the airport or from there or whatever, the hell, how 1:25:32.960 --> 1:25:35.000 do I become a part of something where you did 1:25:35.040 --> 1:25:38.160 not explicitly say to me, I'm getting ready to go 1:25:38.240 --> 1:25:39.360 by these drugs. 1:25:39.800 --> 1:25:44.719 Hey, federal government has a burden of proof, Nigga present 1:25:44.880 --> 1:25:45.120 is the. 1:25:45.080 --> 1:25:46.400 Words called inference. 1:25:47.360 --> 1:25:50.120 How can you be involved with all this and not 1:25:50.240 --> 1:25:52.680 infer and know what's going on? Like you didn't know, 1:25:53.200 --> 1:25:57.640 like you picking up that wasn't a famous singer. You 1:25:57.640 --> 1:26:00.840 picked up from the from the airport, you know that, right? 1:26:00.880 --> 1:26:04.160 And you bring them idle conversation happens everybody when they 1:26:04.160 --> 1:26:06.719 get in the car. They know, you know, talk happens. 1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:09.360 Things happen. You'll go downstairs. 1:26:09.400 --> 1:26:11.160 Now, can you take me? 1:26:12.080 --> 1:26:16.040 Matter of fact, man, take me by this spot, my man, 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:17.639 I know to whatever. 1:26:18.240 --> 1:26:21.120 Yo, that's a lot though. That's not not really fair. 1:26:21.400 --> 1:26:23.479 It's not it's not and it's not designed to be fair, 1:26:23.520 --> 1:26:23.760 that's what. 1:26:25.080 --> 1:26:25.840 It's not fair. 1:26:26.160 --> 1:26:29.200 But because I didn't when you when I went by 1:26:29.320 --> 1:26:31.320 to go get the crack, I mean I took you 1:26:31.400 --> 1:26:33.479 over there, I don't know what the hell. You're a 1:26:33.520 --> 1:26:35.479 grown ass person. You're going there to get the crack? 1:26:35.560 --> 1:26:37.439 What does this have to do with my life? 1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:40.320 And maybe maybe maybe that's maybe that's why you're not. 1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:42.320 Charged because I'm with the law. 1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:45.759 But maybe that's what I'm Maybe that's why you're not charged. 1:26:46.000 --> 1:26:49.880 But you're away because because you you know that I 1:26:50.000 --> 1:26:52.360 just did this. But if you get and this is 1:26:52.360 --> 1:26:54.120 what we started at the piece of the puzzle, I 1:26:54.200 --> 1:26:54.760 just did this. 1:26:55.240 --> 1:26:56.040 I just did this. 1:26:56.520 --> 1:26:58.679 I just did Now you start to build a framework 1:26:58.880 --> 1:27:00.519 and then you get a couple of more They just. 1:27:00.439 --> 1:27:03.640 Did this, They just did that. They just did that. 1:27:03.640 --> 1:27:05.040 That's what it's all about. 1:27:05.240 --> 1:27:09.400 So here's two things that have that also have have 1:27:09.680 --> 1:27:15.320 This case has highlighted people under NDAs because there was 1:27:15.360 --> 1:27:20.120 a woman who testified that she signed it an NDA 1:27:20.280 --> 1:27:25.040 that Cassie gave her after she was assaulted by Puff 1:27:25.640 --> 1:27:29.519 and he supposedly paid her. That's what she said, but 1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:32.080 she was under the NDA because she signed it. She 1:27:32.200 --> 1:27:34.800 said that, so people want to know how. 1:27:34.520 --> 1:27:36.320 Does she end up in court? 1:27:36.439 --> 1:27:39.679 And then the biggest thing is folks are saying, Cassie 1:27:39.840 --> 1:27:44.120 took a settlement from Puff, So how does she now 1:27:44.240 --> 1:27:46.479 become a witness in this case? 1:27:46.600 --> 1:27:51.080 Because you're talking about criminality, civil and criminal two different worlds, 1:27:51.560 --> 1:27:55.160 and the federal government and the US Attorney's Office they 1:27:55.200 --> 1:27:58.360 do not care about what's going on in the civil world. 1:27:58.400 --> 1:28:02.200 Matter of fact, when you look at separation. 1:28:01.840 --> 1:28:05.000 Agreements, when you leave your job right things are not 1:28:05.080 --> 1:28:07.360 working out, they give you a separation agreement. 1:28:07.280 --> 1:28:09.879 It will talk about. You can't talk about the settlement. 1:28:10.400 --> 1:28:11.840 You can't disclose. 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:13.800 Why you laugh, you can't disparage, you. 1:28:13.760 --> 1:28:15.559 Can't do any of those things. But there's always that 1:28:15.600 --> 1:28:21.240 one paragraph. Uh oh, there's always that one paragraph that 1:28:21.360 --> 1:28:21.920 speaks to. 1:28:23.560 --> 1:28:26.120 I'm sorry, put the phone back. 1:28:26.200 --> 1:28:29.280 Yeah, okay, all right. 1:28:29.720 --> 1:28:32.760 Now where you want to start. No, it's always that 1:28:33.360 --> 1:28:37.080 one paragraph that speaks to that. If there's a federal investigation, 1:28:37.280 --> 1:28:41.320 if there's a state investigation, if there's an EEOC investigation. 1:28:42.479 --> 1:28:43.639 That's off. 1:28:44.280 --> 1:28:46.280 The only thing you will see in reference to that 1:28:46.720 --> 1:28:47.760 is that you got to let us know. 1:28:48.760 --> 1:28:49.840 The employee says, you got to. 1:28:49.880 --> 1:28:50.280 Let us know. 1:28:51.520 --> 1:28:54.280 We can't intercede, We can't talk to you first, but 1:28:54.320 --> 1:28:57.040 you gotta let us know. Same thing here you can 1:28:57.120 --> 1:29:02.760 have all Let's just say she breached the NDA, and 1:29:02.800 --> 1:29:05.960 everybody's up in arms, and she happens to breach the 1:29:06.040 --> 1:29:09.439 NDA that you drafted inside. Let's say you will quit it. 1:29:10.000 --> 1:29:13.360 Let's just say where you think you're gonna suit her 1:29:13.360 --> 1:29:15.320 for breaching the NDA? What court you think you're gonna 1:29:15.360 --> 1:29:15.559 go to? 1:29:17.200 --> 1:29:19.920 I say, you know, I say it very you know lightly. 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:21.120 What court you're gonna go to? 1:29:21.439 --> 1:29:22.519 None? You can't. 1:29:22.960 --> 1:29:26.080 No wonder, no judge, no judge is gonna say, you 1:29:26.160 --> 1:29:30.360 know what, you're right, You're right. Fifty thousand dollars. You 1:29:30.439 --> 1:29:32.840 win because she breached the NDA, because the federal government 1:29:32.880 --> 1:29:35.240 came to her and said, we want to know about criminality. 1:29:35.720 --> 1:29:36.760 You have nowhere to go. 1:29:37.920 --> 1:29:40.760 So once again, don't do it, because just don't do 1:29:40.800 --> 1:29:41.080 the thing. 1:29:41.160 --> 1:29:42.800 Well, just don't do it. There we go. 1:29:44.040 --> 1:29:45.000 Just don't do the thing. 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:47.080 Just don't do just don't do the thing. 1:29:47.720 --> 1:29:49.720 So what I was what I wanted to ask as 1:29:49.760 --> 1:29:52.240 the final question, is, so you know, I've there's been 1:29:52.280 --> 1:29:54.519 a lot of talk about this Meg and Tory Lanez 1:29:55.400 --> 1:29:56.720 quote unquote. 1:29:56.520 --> 1:29:57.759 Newly discovered evidence. 1:29:58.120 --> 1:30:01.760 So what they're saying is that a driver who was 1:30:01.840 --> 1:30:06.400 driving her to court, her who was driving Kelsey to court, 1:30:06.439 --> 1:30:08.519 who is Meg's friend, who was driving her to court 1:30:08.560 --> 1:30:10.439 back and forth for the two days that she went 1:30:10.479 --> 1:30:14.120 to trial, overheard her saying that quote I don't know 1:30:14.160 --> 1:30:16.439 exact words, that she's the one who shot Meg and 1:30:16.439 --> 1:30:19.000 that he blocked the gun on her hand. Is this 1:30:19.160 --> 1:30:22.280 newly discovered evidence or is it hearsay? Can it be 1:30:22.320 --> 1:30:25.679 presented as newly discovered evidence or is it just heresay? 1:30:25.720 --> 1:30:26.200 Evidence. 1:30:26.920 --> 1:30:32.200 Well, it's both, and it's always a hearsay exception. So 1:30:32.439 --> 1:30:34.280 things are allowed because you have a. 1:30:34.280 --> 1:30:35.599 Rule, and you have an exception. 1:30:36.200 --> 1:30:39.639 If someone is making a statement, a statement that is 1:30:39.680 --> 1:30:44.519 involving involving an investigation or involving prior testimony and you 1:30:44.680 --> 1:30:48.400 know it, then it's new evidence. The issue is how 1:30:48.439 --> 1:30:52.360 relevant is it, how relevant is it to the bigger piece, 1:30:52.840 --> 1:30:54.599 and whether or not and how it could be used. 1:30:54.760 --> 1:30:57.960 So that's really the question, because there's always exceptions to 1:30:58.040 --> 1:31:01.320 every rule. Is say, yeah, it's out of court statement, 1:31:01.920 --> 1:31:08.439 definitely is right, But what's the exception And was it 1:31:08.479 --> 1:31:12.840 against her own interest in making the statement, whether whether 1:31:13.040 --> 1:31:16.120 whether or not it was in furtherance some other interests 1:31:16.120 --> 1:31:17.200 that will determine whether. 1:31:17.080 --> 1:31:17.680 Or not can come in. 1:31:19.439 --> 1:31:24.360 So that and who makes that decision A judge, a judge. 1:31:24.040 --> 1:31:26.479 The prosecutity to say argue for or against it. 1:31:26.520 --> 1:31:29.040 Defense are either argue for or against it or judge 1:31:29.040 --> 1:31:30.080 and making decisions. 1:31:30.439 --> 1:31:32.280 And this was the same judge that was on the 1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:34.320 case that would make that decision, or a new judge 1:31:34.320 --> 1:31:34.600 could be. 1:31:34.600 --> 1:31:37.880 It all depends. It all depends. That is not a 1:31:37.880 --> 1:31:42.519 fast fast rule. It all depends because sometimes what happens 1:31:42.560 --> 1:31:45.519 in federal court. In most courts, you have judges that 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:49.120 will deal with all the logistical motions and all the 1:31:49.120 --> 1:31:51.920 suppressions and all those hearings, and then you have the 1:31:51.960 --> 1:31:53.080 judge just tries the case. 1:31:53.439 --> 1:31:58.120 But now, in this particular situation, I think Kelsey did 1:31:58.200 --> 1:32:01.400 the the fifth or she. 1:32:02.120 --> 1:32:03.000 Was granted immunity. 1:32:03.080 --> 1:32:06.200 Actually right, she was granted immunity, so they can bring 1:32:06.240 --> 1:32:10.680 the new evidence against her, and then the courts can 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:13.759 decide again because people need to know that all these things, 1:32:13.800 --> 1:32:18.200 the NDA, the immunity whether not violates. 1:32:17.720 --> 1:32:20.599 Any any any immunity clause, you know, and then they 1:32:20.640 --> 1:32:21.439 make that decision. 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:24.960 And so they could yeah, because people believe if I 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:28.000 say I I have immunity, or if I signed an 1:32:28.080 --> 1:32:31.200 n DA or whatever, then I'm out of it. And 1:32:31.280 --> 1:32:33.759 what we're hearing here is that that's not the case. 1:32:33.880 --> 1:32:36.000 So I think the best way to describe it is 1:32:36.200 --> 1:32:40.960 immunity is usually for criminal conduct, like, look, I'm immune 1:32:41.520 --> 1:32:44.759 from anything that goes on because you deem my information 1:32:44.880 --> 1:32:45.559 so valuable. 1:32:46.600 --> 1:32:47.760 NDA is for. 1:32:47.720 --> 1:32:51.559 The civil context, never should they meet, and if they meet, 1:32:52.280 --> 1:32:53.200 criminal is always going. 1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:53.639 To take over. 1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:58.680 So the criminal in this situation, even though she had 1:32:58.720 --> 1:33:02.800 immunity from a criminal act. Yes, it's still if new 1:33:02.840 --> 1:33:04.360 evidence means it's a new. 1:33:04.960 --> 1:33:08.960 New situation, because that means that. 1:33:08.920 --> 1:33:13.000 She right, But you don't get free the person who 1:33:13.200 --> 1:33:15.479 was convicted, do they get free? 1:33:15.520 --> 1:33:17.160 But it depends, it depends. 1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:21.960 It depends, depends on the relevance of it. Right, So 1:33:22.600 --> 1:33:26.320 it might be a small factor that wouldn't have changed 1:33:26.360 --> 1:33:29.640 the jurist perspective. So it's called this is what they 1:33:29.640 --> 1:33:32.080 call it. They call it harmless era. It was an error, 1:33:32.479 --> 1:33:34.840 but it was harmless. Now I would tell you if 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:36.479 I'm behind bars, ain't nothing harmless. 1:33:36.800 --> 1:33:37.280 It's an era. 1:33:37.680 --> 1:33:39.519 Let's let's let's let's get it, let's do it, let's 1:33:39.560 --> 1:33:40.120 do it, do over. 1:33:40.600 --> 1:33:42.800 But the courts will look at all the factors, look 1:33:42.840 --> 1:33:45.120 at all the evidence and say this is harmless eraror. 1:33:45.120 --> 1:33:49.320 So in the history of your life, which, by the way, whatever, 1:33:49.600 --> 1:33:53.479 we can't say because people do crazy things. What is 1:33:53.520 --> 1:33:58.519 the likelihood from your perspective that a woman who was 1:33:58.920 --> 1:34:02.960 god immunity playing all kinds of games on the stand. 1:34:03.720 --> 1:34:06.519 You know, just I followed this case very closely. I 1:34:06.560 --> 1:34:07.320 went to the trial. 1:34:08.400 --> 1:34:08.599 You know. 1:34:09.080 --> 1:34:16.040 Definitely, it appears there was some money exchange when they 1:34:16.080 --> 1:34:18.280 asked her who paid for her lawyers? She don't know. 1:34:19.200 --> 1:34:22.080 She you know, all of that, all of these things. 1:34:22.760 --> 1:34:24.960 What is the likelihood that she would get in the 1:34:25.000 --> 1:34:28.840 car with a driver who she does not know, not 1:34:28.960 --> 1:34:31.920 a driver who's she's known for years and years, driver 1:34:32.040 --> 1:34:34.680 she doesn't know, in a couple of days back and 1:34:34.720 --> 1:34:36.800 forth to court and just sit there on the phone 1:34:36.840 --> 1:34:37.599 telling people. 1:34:37.439 --> 1:34:39.200 Yeah, I'm the one who shot the girl. 1:34:40.680 --> 1:34:42.519 So what was the question? Was it like that she 1:34:42.560 --> 1:34:43.120 would say. 1:34:43.000 --> 1:34:45.760 Something that she would just that would be something that 1:34:45.800 --> 1:34:47.599 a judge would look at and say, oh, this. 1:34:47.520 --> 1:34:49.599 Is the judge dunkin, look at it. 1:34:50.120 --> 1:34:50.400 Look at it. 1:34:50.640 --> 1:34:53.400 Somebody's gonna bring it to the judge's tape right now. 1:34:54.000 --> 1:34:57.759 What is it likely? That's a hard question to answer. 1:34:57.760 --> 1:34:59.520 People people are stupid. 1:34:59.400 --> 1:35:02.200 Right they are? Are? They are? I swear they. 1:35:02.120 --> 1:35:05.439 Are stupid, right, And we'll all due respect. People are 1:35:05.560 --> 1:35:06.360 just stupid. 1:35:06.439 --> 1:35:09.040 And so would that be the first thing that we 1:35:09.080 --> 1:35:10.640 saw a stupid person do. 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:12.320 No, that's why we got them stupid. 1:35:12.680 --> 1:35:16.479 So now I don't from the respective of the driver, 1:35:16.800 --> 1:35:18.639 this is what I look at it. If I'm a judge, 1:35:19.680 --> 1:35:22.559 why would you contrive a story and put yourself in 1:35:22.640 --> 1:35:25.200 a case that you never in a case before. 1:35:25.400 --> 1:35:27.320 Well that he said it's because he feels bad. 1:35:28.880 --> 1:35:31.000 Why would you make up a story? The reason why 1:35:31.040 --> 1:35:32.600 you come forward is because. 1:35:32.320 --> 1:35:33.480 You feel bad. 1:35:33.680 --> 1:35:37.439 Why you would make up something that's not true. That's 1:35:37.479 --> 1:35:39.800 a whole nother story. So the judge has to say, 1:35:39.840 --> 1:35:42.519 is this person making that up? Or did this happen? 1:35:42.880 --> 1:35:44.800 And they're coming for it because of what you said. 1:35:45.760 --> 1:35:47.000 The dynamics. 1:35:48.439 --> 1:35:53.360 Where the driver come from the driver community. 1:35:53.680 --> 1:35:57.439 And I'm for I, like I always say, and it's 1:35:57.439 --> 1:35:59.760 the same thing that I say about the situation with Paul. 1:36:00.880 --> 1:36:02.960 As much as I love him, I believe that he 1:36:03.120 --> 1:36:07.320 has to face these charges right like he has to. 1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:10.479 You can't just be like, well, I love somebody or 1:36:10.760 --> 1:36:12.800 I believe such and such, so let's just brush it. No, 1:36:12.880 --> 1:36:14.800 it don't work like that. If they are women who 1:36:14.880 --> 1:36:17.800 are saying or men saying they've been abused, I believe 1:36:17.840 --> 1:36:19.880 everybody deserves their day in court. People look at me, 1:36:19.920 --> 1:36:21.880 they're like, oh, how do you feel. I feel that 1:36:22.120 --> 1:36:25.320 if these things that people are saying, these things happen 1:36:25.360 --> 1:36:27.800 to them. I would never try to block him from 1:36:27.920 --> 1:36:31.320 having a go to court to deal with the allegations 1:36:31.360 --> 1:36:35.080 against him. I think everybody deserve every woman, every man, 1:36:35.240 --> 1:36:40.840 every person who has a story of being abused or 1:36:40.880 --> 1:36:44.519 being harmed in some way, they deserve their day in court. 1:36:44.720 --> 1:36:46.479 And that's just where I am with it. Some people 1:36:46.479 --> 1:36:48.400 will say throw it out. No, I don't believe in that. 1:36:48.760 --> 1:36:52.080 So I think that if Kelsey, if this is what's 1:36:52.200 --> 1:36:55.200 coming up, they should I want them to go down 1:36:55.280 --> 1:36:57.920 the rabbit hole, cause I think it's better. 1:36:57.680 --> 1:37:00.679 For people to be able to see it play out. 1:37:00.800 --> 1:37:03.639 Then if it feels like nothing happened and a black 1:37:03.640 --> 1:37:06.280 man was just railroaded, I understand that. 1:37:06.520 --> 1:37:09.360 I mean, that's why we have jurors, and that's why 1:37:09.400 --> 1:37:10.519 everybody has the right to. 1:37:10.560 --> 1:37:15.040 Confront their witnesses. Yeah, it's called confrontational clause. You got 1:37:15.040 --> 1:37:18.320 a right to confront and what comes out comes out. 1:37:19.080 --> 1:37:20.000 Well, that was great. 1:37:20.120 --> 1:37:22.479 It's a long interview that would have to be edited, 1:37:22.560 --> 1:37:26.920 poor Janet, But I think we did talk about some 1:37:27.000 --> 1:37:29.599 important things and I just know that, you know, I'll 1:37:29.600 --> 1:37:31.840 be trying to follow the law. I ain't saying that 1:37:31.920 --> 1:37:33.720 I get things right all the time, and I'm not 1:37:33.720 --> 1:37:36.200 talking about from a law perspective. I'm just saying in life, 1:37:36.720 --> 1:37:38.559 we all have issues, but the. 1:37:38.560 --> 1:37:39.960 Law, the rules. 1:37:40.080 --> 1:37:43.559 I be trying my best to stay within them unless 1:37:43.600 --> 1:37:45.759 I'm breaking them on behalf of our people. 1:37:45.960 --> 1:37:48.400 And other than that, I don't you know, And that's 1:37:48.400 --> 1:37:49.479 a whole other dynamic. 1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:52.000 Right, You're just talking about black on black on black 1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:54.880 on black and you got white jurorsdy and it's just like, 1:37:54.920 --> 1:37:56.719 this is what you're doing, right. 1:37:57.160 --> 1:38:02.559 There's no empathy or sympathy. That's what you're That's what 1:38:02.600 --> 1:38:04.800 y'all do. And I tell people this all the time. 1:38:05.160 --> 1:38:08.920 But if we were empowered and everything was black, we 1:38:08.960 --> 1:38:11.800 would still have the same dynamics that exists. There'll be 1:38:11.880 --> 1:38:14.760 less of blacks in the pool of blacks mm hm, 1:38:15.439 --> 1:38:18.200 and they'll be underprivileged blacks in a pool of blacks, 1:38:19.120 --> 1:38:22.920 and you still have the dynamic that you have, you 1:38:22.920 --> 1:38:24.880 know what I mean. I would love to be in 1:38:24.880 --> 1:38:27.440 that world. But you're still gonna have the same classism 1:38:27.479 --> 1:38:30.679 and the dynamics that you have. Once classism comes into play, 1:38:31.040 --> 1:38:33.720 people have different interest that's it is off. That's why 1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:36.240 only the only the best revolutions with the one where 1:38:36.280 --> 1:38:40.080 you eat well and eating as soon as you get 1:38:40.120 --> 1:38:40.559 a piece. 1:38:40.360 --> 1:38:41.040 Of slice of bread. 1:38:43.640 --> 1:38:44.479 Thank you so much. 1:38:44.680 --> 1:38:47.439 Attorney Royce Russell thanks for joining us, thank you for 1:38:47.479 --> 1:38:50.360 being on the TMO Show today, and just thank you 1:38:50.439 --> 1:38:52.760 for being you always, always, thank you. 1:38:52.720 --> 1:38:53.360 For having. 1:38:56.120 --> 1:38:59.960 Race gave us a lot of good feedback about how 1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:02.600 we see it, you know, because there's a lot, like 1:39:02.680 --> 1:39:06.599 I've said, there's a lot of different questions about Puffy's case, 1:39:06.720 --> 1:39:10.240 and you know, how the reco thing is working, how 1:39:10.240 --> 1:39:13.760 the sex trafficking thing works, and not a thing. 1:39:13.880 --> 1:39:14.439 It is a thing. 1:39:14.560 --> 1:39:18.960 It's not It's really not it's not. No, it's not 1:39:19.000 --> 1:39:21.479 the sex trafficking thing. I think we have to be 1:39:21.640 --> 1:39:27.360 very mindful and careful and sex trafficking charges, how reco 1:39:27.560 --> 1:39:32.599 charges and sex trafficking charges not the thing, sir? 1:39:32.800 --> 1:39:32.880 What? 1:39:33.400 --> 1:39:35.080 No, Okay, forget it. I'm wrong. 1:39:35.479 --> 1:39:38.439 I just don't understand, like we know that they're charges. 1:39:38.479 --> 1:39:41.760 I'm saying, the sex trafficking thing. The thing that it 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:46.360 is is sex trafficking, and those happen to be charges. Well, 1:39:46.400 --> 1:39:48.559 we just got to make it this particular thing. 1:39:49.479 --> 1:39:50.280 No, it's not that. 1:39:50.320 --> 1:39:52.720 It's just that I think we have to be mindful 1:39:53.000 --> 1:39:58.800 that the level of seriousness that we apply to it 1:39:58.840 --> 1:40:02.000 when speaking is the level of seriousness that I think 1:40:02.080 --> 1:40:06.320 our people will understand. How they can be incriminating themselves. 1:40:06.960 --> 1:40:08.880 So that's the reason why I said it. But the 1:40:08.960 --> 1:40:12.160 thing is fine, It's just that I get a sense 1:40:13.160 --> 1:40:19.000 from some of our folks that, you know, to Royce's point, 1:40:19.520 --> 1:40:20.560 it won't happen. 1:40:20.320 --> 1:40:23.639 To me, or I can dibble and dabble a little bit. 1:40:23.840 --> 1:40:28.240 And to your point, our young men need to really 1:40:28.280 --> 1:40:32.120 really be mindful and women and women need to really 1:40:32.160 --> 1:40:35.479 be mindful that a little something could turn into a 1:40:35.520 --> 1:40:38.160 big something and you be messed up for a long time. 1:40:40.920 --> 1:40:44.639 It's very, very troubling, you know, when you look at 1:40:45.320 --> 1:40:48.920 the implications, when you look at the reality of what 1:40:48.960 --> 1:40:53.280 we're dealing with in just the justice system or in 1:40:53.479 --> 1:40:55.840 just black men, to see it as an injustice system. 1:40:55.840 --> 1:40:58.760 And it's not saying that this situation is injustice because 1:40:58.760 --> 1:41:01.040 a man should be held accountable for everything he does. 1:41:01.400 --> 1:41:03.719 But we just know, like you said, when. 1:41:04.000 --> 1:41:08.080 White people get twenty years, we're gonna get two hundred years. 1:41:08.400 --> 1:41:11.000 So this is just the reality. So that's what I'm saying. 1:41:11.080 --> 1:41:14.280 We have to be mindful of exactly what's going on. 1:41:15.080 --> 1:41:18.200 We have to understand that the legal system was never 1:41:18.280 --> 1:41:22.240 meant to show us justice or fairness. And then we 1:41:22.280 --> 1:41:24.479 also have to understand that you're going to be held 1:41:24.520 --> 1:41:25.960 accountable for the things that you do. 1:41:26.840 --> 1:41:29.240 Well, yeah, and I think there are people out here 1:41:29.280 --> 1:41:34.519 that would argue Mice that when you say that, you know, 1:41:35.120 --> 1:41:38.320 it gives people a way to argue about something other 1:41:38.439 --> 1:41:43.240 than the situation, which I get your point is that 1:41:43.240 --> 1:41:45.760 that's a part of the situation. Well, right, Well, if 1:41:45.760 --> 1:41:48.960 we have to look at the situation, because I wasn't 1:41:49.320 --> 1:41:52.639 we're trying to say puff or Cassie or this person 1:41:52.640 --> 1:41:55.280 at that person, because there's so so many different people 1:41:55.439 --> 1:41:57.360 with arguments and thoughts and whatever. 1:41:57.439 --> 1:42:01.200 I'm just saying that I find whenever we. 1:42:01.120 --> 1:42:04.519 Are able to say, well, you know, the black man 1:42:04.640 --> 1:42:08.320 isn't treated fairly in the system. I noticed that a 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:10.720 lot of people are saying that and using it as 1:42:10.720 --> 1:42:11.400 an excuse. 1:42:12.160 --> 1:42:15.680 Why I wouldn't say it's an excuse, It's just a reality. 1:42:16.120 --> 1:42:19.519 And that doesn't take away that if you do a crime, 1:42:19.840 --> 1:42:22.120 and you should be held accountable for the crime you do. 1:42:22.479 --> 1:42:26.639 But we can't ignore the fact that when you say, 1:42:26.720 --> 1:42:31.240 when we talk about a rico charge, and even though 1:42:31.520 --> 1:42:33.920 Royce said, well it doesn't they never said that it 1:42:34.000 --> 1:42:36.840 had to be other people involved in rigal. We can't 1:42:36.920 --> 1:42:40.240 ignore the fact that the only time those things didn't happen, 1:42:40.280 --> 1:42:42.639 that there weren't other co defenders, that it was two 1:42:42.640 --> 1:42:43.080 black men. 1:42:43.120 --> 1:42:43.559 Yeah, I just. 1:42:45.040 --> 1:42:45.920 But that's the fact. 1:42:46.240 --> 1:42:49.080 But okay, but you didn't say that when you asked Royce, 1:42:49.280 --> 1:42:51.600 you said, I'm not one hundred percent sure, but this 1:42:51.720 --> 1:42:54.400 is what I heard, and if that is true. 1:42:54.439 --> 1:42:55.559 And when he said. 1:42:55.840 --> 1:42:58.559 We never said he never you or not because we 1:42:58.680 --> 1:43:01.639 don't know. We don't know, And what happens is that 1:43:01.840 --> 1:43:06.960 becomes if it is not true, right, that true? No, 1:43:07.120 --> 1:43:10.639 But the problem is that people never stick around for correction. 1:43:11.160 --> 1:43:12.160 They never hear that. 1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:14.599 So when we state things like that that we don't 1:43:14.640 --> 1:43:17.720 necessarily know if it's true or not, it becomes a 1:43:17.760 --> 1:43:21.639 part of this No, I. 1:43:21.560 --> 1:43:24.640 Said, we can't ignore okay, so let me change it. 1:43:24.720 --> 1:43:27.240 Let me change the verbage. We can't ignore it that 1:43:27.320 --> 1:43:30.840 if that is true, right, because I've That's why when 1:43:30.840 --> 1:43:33.439 it was that's why most of us who've been in 1:43:33.439 --> 1:43:37.160 the legal system, who are just as impacted, we're confused 1:43:37.479 --> 1:43:41.160 because I have yet to see any other reco charge 1:43:41.200 --> 1:43:42.360 with their weren't code efan. 1:43:42.520 --> 1:43:44.439 But that's a But that's the first of all, I 1:43:44.479 --> 1:43:44.840 think that. 1:43:44.880 --> 1:43:47.360 I agree with that that I usually see a bunch 1:43:47.360 --> 1:43:50.360 of people that are involved at least more than two people. 1:43:51.040 --> 1:43:54.840 But I would always caution us because what we're really 1:43:54.920 --> 1:43:58.479 saying is we haven't seen it in high profile cases 1:43:58.920 --> 1:44:02.439 because none of us us know about every case from 1:44:02.520 --> 1:44:08.320 people who live from Utah to Alabama to nobody knows that, 1:44:08.520 --> 1:44:12.760 and so you can't say what has only happened to R. 1:44:12.920 --> 1:44:17.920 Kelly and Puff when we don't know, right, perhaps from 1:44:18.000 --> 1:44:21.280 a high profile perspective, that may be the case. We 1:44:21.320 --> 1:44:24.200 don't know, but I think it's very dangerous because what 1:44:24.360 --> 1:44:29.120 happens is that becomes people's excuse instead of addressing the 1:44:29.240 --> 1:44:30.800 actual issues at hand. 1:44:30.880 --> 1:44:35.200 Ain't nobody Once again, nobody is not addressed, afraid or 1:44:35.360 --> 1:44:38.519 ignoring the issues at hand. If someone did something wrong, 1:44:38.560 --> 1:44:41.920 they should be held accountable, but nobody should ignore that. 1:44:42.600 --> 1:44:45.599 Based on the knowledge that we have that I've had, 1:44:45.640 --> 1:44:48.760 and I've seen many people. I got friends that's been 1:44:48.800 --> 1:44:51.120 locked up for ricos, I know strangers that be locked 1:44:51.200 --> 1:44:52.080 up for ricos. 1:44:52.439 --> 1:44:53.760 I have never. 1:44:53.720 --> 1:44:57.280 Seen anybody outside of those because I wasn't even thinking 1:44:57.280 --> 1:45:00.800 about the Kelly case when it was actually set until 1:45:00.840 --> 1:45:03.080 your bads brought up I got the information on your baths. 1:45:03.160 --> 1:45:03.559 I don't know. 1:45:03.920 --> 1:45:05.880 I didn't actually double check it, but I heard him 1:45:05.880 --> 1:45:08.400 say it, and he said it confidently. So if I'm 1:45:08.439 --> 1:45:10.559 wrong or if well he's wrong, then we'll correct it. 1:45:10.640 --> 1:45:13.559 But I've yet I know this for a fact. I've 1:45:13.680 --> 1:45:17.920 never seen a federal recocase where there was only one 1:45:17.920 --> 1:45:20.479 defender outside of those two situations. And I didn't even 1:45:20.520 --> 1:45:24.160 realize that they had charged l Kelly with the federal recoacher. 1:45:24.920 --> 1:45:27.240 I just never seen it before, you know what I'm saying, 1:45:27.240 --> 1:45:30.880 that was something I've never seen before. So just saying 1:45:30.880 --> 1:45:34.439 it's like Dann, that's really that's really strange. But like 1:45:34.560 --> 1:45:37.439 Royce said, even though that it's something that we haven't seen, 1:45:37.600 --> 1:45:39.760 there's no criteria to say that it can't. 1:45:39.520 --> 1:45:45.479 Happen, right because because the criminal enterprise is the fact 1:45:45.479 --> 1:45:48.840 that multiple people participated in. 1:45:48.920 --> 1:45:51.479 I told you I read this. That's why I kept. 1:45:51.280 --> 1:45:54.280 Saying I was arguing with different people because I went 1:45:54.320 --> 1:45:56.639 to go read all of it so that I could 1:45:56.720 --> 1:46:00.120 understand from various perspectives what's happened. In a way, what 1:46:00.160 --> 1:46:03.559 am I seeing and what I kept reading was people 1:46:03.600 --> 1:46:08.840 who helped further further, so further means that you assisted 1:46:08.920 --> 1:46:10.760 me in doing this thing. 1:46:10.880 --> 1:46:15.160 It does not mean that you were the particular. 1:46:17.200 --> 1:46:21.360 Entity or damn subject of it, but you helped further it. 1:46:21.680 --> 1:46:24.360 So I guess what we're hearing from Royce is that 1:46:24.680 --> 1:46:29.120 as long as those people have something that corroborates or 1:46:29.160 --> 1:46:33.400 provides evidence that you were using and bringing different people 1:46:33.520 --> 1:46:39.799 into this criminal activity, then that somehow that makes their case. 1:46:40.200 --> 1:46:45.080 So that for me, again putting this particular legal matter 1:46:45.160 --> 1:46:48.559 to the side, but just sitting and focused on how 1:46:48.600 --> 1:46:52.200 we live every single day. He's saying, you picking up people, 1:46:52.280 --> 1:46:55.160 you taking them over here. They might mention this and that, 1:46:55.240 --> 1:46:58.519 and we live our lives, some of us, we all 1:46:58.560 --> 1:47:01.240 live our lives free in that you know what I'm saying. 1:47:01.400 --> 1:47:04.320 So you got your cousin or your homie that you 1:47:04.520 --> 1:47:07.080 know he'd be into stuff all the time. But now 1:47:07.080 --> 1:47:09.400 you got him in your car and you taking him 1:47:09.520 --> 1:47:12.519 X y Z place, you a female, you know who, 1:47:12.600 --> 1:47:16.000 your boyfriend or whatever. You know, stuff is a little weird. 1:47:16.040 --> 1:47:18.479 You ain't sure exactly how he's living. And then you're 1:47:18.560 --> 1:47:21.400 moving him around, you letting him drive your car. You're 1:47:21.479 --> 1:47:26.560 doing nothing. You're innocently participating in a rico. 1:47:26.680 --> 1:47:27.639 And that's what I'm trying to say. 1:47:27.640 --> 1:47:28.080 That's the Sari. 1:47:28.320 --> 1:47:31.360 That's why I said the Rico charge was designed for 1:47:31.439 --> 1:47:32.559 you not to be able to be there. 1:47:32.600 --> 1:47:36.479 It was first initiated to rich mafia bosses. 1:47:36.560 --> 1:47:39.120 That's how they put them under the stature because a 1:47:39.120 --> 1:47:41.200 lot of people didn't want to tell on people. So 1:47:41.320 --> 1:47:43.360 they figured out a way that we can make sure 1:47:43.520 --> 1:47:46.320 that it's no way that you're not guilty of something. 1:47:46.760 --> 1:47:48.040 The fact that you know this. 1:47:47.920 --> 1:47:51.080 Person and if we have an inkland that you know 1:47:51.240 --> 1:47:53.839 him and you was aware that he was ever committed 1:47:53.880 --> 1:47:56.120 criminal acts and you still continue to deal with him, 1:47:56.280 --> 1:47:58.200 and you did anything we could connect you to that, 1:47:58.720 --> 1:48:01.120 and that's how they usually heated d Rico. What they 1:48:01.120 --> 1:48:03.519 did was even when you look at Young Thug's case, 1:48:03.600 --> 1:48:07.479 right Gunna, they never charged Gunna with anything but just 1:48:07.520 --> 1:48:10.640 being in the car, and they made him utilize his 1:48:10.760 --> 1:48:14.120 voice to say that that it was a criminal that 1:48:15.400 --> 1:48:18.639 YSL was a criminal enterprise, even though they did even 1:48:18.680 --> 1:48:20.360 say he did a crime, he was just in a car. 1:48:20.439 --> 1:48:22.479 So this is what I'm trying to say. It's not 1:48:22.640 --> 1:48:25.679 designed for you to win. It's designed for everybody that's 1:48:25.680 --> 1:48:28.880 connected to you to feel like Damn, I have to 1:48:28.880 --> 1:48:31.280 say something, even if I ain't got nothing to do it. 1:48:31.320 --> 1:48:34.000 I have to corroborate their story to make it look 1:48:34.040 --> 1:48:35.759 like there's a crime, even if it's not a crime. 1:48:36.640 --> 1:48:39.559 And that's it's just it's unfortunate because you got a 1:48:39.560 --> 1:48:41.559 bunch of people on your indictment that you don't even 1:48:41.600 --> 1:48:45.400 know they got indictments, and Rico charges people you never seen, 1:48:45.520 --> 1:48:48.639 and you're connected to that person through another person who 1:48:48.680 --> 1:48:50.880 made a phone call to another person. All these people 1:48:50.920 --> 1:48:53.320 having to be your codafitist, and when they say that 1:48:53.360 --> 1:48:55.559 they did something, they come back and say, Yo, you 1:48:55.560 --> 1:48:58.320 need to cop out because these people said this and 1:48:58.360 --> 1:49:01.040 they connected to you. And the average person is like, Yo, 1:49:01.400 --> 1:49:03.080 how the fuck do I beat this? You start looking 1:49:03.120 --> 1:49:06.200 at the criterias and you start looking at what they 1:49:06.280 --> 1:49:09.120 saying you did and then saying, well, it's saying even 1:49:09.160 --> 1:49:11.080 if you didn't know, and this and that and that 1:49:11.160 --> 1:49:13.559 and that, you're still liable. It's like, what the fuck 1:49:13.680 --> 1:49:17.040 is It's a it's an abyss. It is a fucking 1:49:17.400 --> 1:49:20.240 un You can't get to the bottom of it. Most 1:49:20.280 --> 1:49:22.640 I'm telling you, there are very few people like like 1:49:22.680 --> 1:49:24.759 you said, they're one to two percent people that actually 1:49:24.760 --> 1:49:27.280 beat the federal rico, because most people look at that 1:49:27.320 --> 1:49:28.920 shit and say, it's no where I can win. 1:49:29.320 --> 1:49:30.680 So most what happens is. 1:49:30.640 --> 1:49:34.120 People cop out because they're like, yo, I know this person, 1:49:34.760 --> 1:49:36.600 and I probably knew he was locked up before, but 1:49:36.680 --> 1:49:38.040 I think we was going to do this. 1:49:38.479 --> 1:49:40.920 My man was sitting in jail for a RICO charging. 1:49:40.640 --> 1:49:43.760 The room because the dude walks that he walked by 1:49:43.760 --> 1:49:47.720 the room and he think he's seen him sitting there, right, 1:49:47.800 --> 1:49:49.679 And somebody else said that they was gonna kill somebody, 1:49:49.680 --> 1:49:51.479 and they said that they thought they seen him in 1:49:51.520 --> 1:49:53.639 the room. He didn't have nothing to do with the murder. 1:49:53.680 --> 1:49:58.759 He didn't do anything niggative. Twenty five years, twenty five years. 1:49:59.360 --> 1:50:01.720 So this shit is is not designed for you to win. 1:50:01.800 --> 1:50:04.840 And that's the problem with these types of cases is 1:50:04.880 --> 1:50:09.720 that it's triggering other conversations that you know, because when 1:50:09.760 --> 1:50:15.000 I get down to the bottom line in different dialogues 1:50:15.040 --> 1:50:17.439 with people, and a lot of people, like I said, 1:50:17.439 --> 1:50:20.160 they won't bring this case up to me, not really 1:50:20.439 --> 1:50:27.160 because they understand, you know, what issues I have in 1:50:27.280 --> 1:50:30.040 terms of not having people going and reporting that to 1:50:30.120 --> 1:50:32.800 Meek Mallory said this, that and the third thing, we're 1:50:32.840 --> 1:50:33.920 not doing that right. 1:50:34.960 --> 1:50:36.280 And so they know. 1:50:37.080 --> 1:50:41.040 But men, some of the men in my life have 1:50:41.160 --> 1:50:45.800 had extensive conversations and I realize as I'm talking to them, 1:50:46.160 --> 1:50:50.400 they're dealing with a trauma that is far beyond this case. 1:50:51.560 --> 1:50:54.160 But then that trauma, and I guess women do this 1:50:54.200 --> 1:50:58.120 as well, becomes a part of another. And and I'm saying, like, 1:50:58.320 --> 1:51:02.800 just hear yourself. Hear what you're saying. Say that back 1:51:02.840 --> 1:51:05.840 to yourself and put your son or your daughter or 1:51:05.840 --> 1:51:08.599 whatever in that situation. And then they'll be like, well, 1:51:08.640 --> 1:51:12.000 that's not exactly you know what I mean. So I'm 1:51:12.040 --> 1:51:16.800 saying all of that to say, we just need to 1:51:16.800 --> 1:51:20.840 be very careful. And I know for a fact that 1:51:20.920 --> 1:51:23.559 when I was seventy, it's in my book. I write 1:51:23.560 --> 1:51:26.599 about it in the book, finding out that this guy 1:51:26.680 --> 1:51:29.519 that I was dating, who I was so in love with, 1:51:29.800 --> 1:51:34.280 who was definitely older than me, the man had drugs 1:51:34.320 --> 1:51:37.519 in the and money money. I don't think he had drugs, 1:51:37.560 --> 1:51:42.040 he had money in the floor of his house right 1:51:42.080 --> 1:51:45.519 on edgecomb Avenue, had money in the in the in 1:51:45.560 --> 1:51:46.439 the floor of his house. 1:51:46.640 --> 1:51:47.639 And I'm just the. 1:51:49.240 --> 1:51:53.840 Just walking around like nothing, moving around with zip ties 1:51:54.160 --> 1:52:00.759 and laundry bags in the trunk, and I'm just happy 1:52:00.800 --> 1:52:05.840 to be there, knowing, knowing my son that I don't 1:52:05.880 --> 1:52:07.880 have anything to do with any of this. So when 1:52:07.920 --> 1:52:11.519 they asked me, I'm going to say, I don't know 1:52:11.600 --> 1:52:13.880 nothing about that, and they gotta let me go because 1:52:13.920 --> 1:52:16.760 I'm not on no tape. I didn't go nowhere, I 1:52:16.760 --> 1:52:19.599 didn't do nothing. And what I'm hearing is it don't 1:52:19.600 --> 1:52:20.120 work like that. 1:52:20.160 --> 1:52:22.519 Don't work like that, do not work like that. 1:52:22.520 --> 1:52:25.800 They're gonna you saw something with you telling us you 1:52:25.800 --> 1:52:28.040 saw the money, because we need you to testify that you. 1:52:28.200 --> 1:52:30.000 But I don't want to testify it because I don't 1:52:30.000 --> 1:52:30.400 even know. 1:52:30.560 --> 1:52:33.479 That's where the rico comes in, because the fact that 1:52:33.560 --> 1:52:36.680 you saw the money and the money was part of 1:52:36.720 --> 1:52:39.840 this criminal enterprise, and you saw zip ties and and 1:52:39.920 --> 1:52:44.320 you saw those things, and you your your logical mind 1:52:44.320 --> 1:52:46.440 should have told you that there was a legal activity. 1:52:46.880 --> 1:52:49.760 And if I really didn't think to swear and it. 1:52:49.720 --> 1:52:52.639 Took me, you should have thought it. And if we're 1:52:52.640 --> 1:52:55.240 gonna say, if you don't testify to what you saw, 1:52:55.640 --> 1:52:59.400 then we're gonna say that you was accomplished. And that's 1:52:59.439 --> 1:53:01.840 how it that, that's how that's what they do. So 1:53:01.880 --> 1:53:03.519 that's what I'm trying to tell you. That's why it's 1:53:03.560 --> 1:53:06.200 not it's not designed. 1:53:05.800 --> 1:53:06.320 For us to win. 1:53:06.360 --> 1:53:10.960 But it's also triggering, right because you know, as a 1:53:11.000 --> 1:53:15.760 black man, and you look at whether they're guilty or not, 1:53:15.960 --> 1:53:18.559 it just seems to me like all of our black 1:53:18.640 --> 1:53:22.960 men who reach a certain status, it's something that has 1:53:23.000 --> 1:53:26.720 to do with sexual assault. It's not all I'm talking 1:53:26.800 --> 1:53:30.000 the ones, the ones that they eliminate, the ones that 1:53:30.040 --> 1:53:35.080 have eliminated. It's the same situation. And I'm not saying 1:53:35.120 --> 1:53:37.280 it's not true or whatever. I'm just saying when we 1:53:37.320 --> 1:53:41.240 look at the top men who have been eliminated, is 1:53:41.880 --> 1:53:46.320 around the same thing. And it's like, damn, It's just. 1:53:46.280 --> 1:53:50.840 It's like, but I think that that is a conversation. 1:53:53.000 --> 1:53:58.920 For It's a conversation that needs to be had. 1:53:59.360 --> 1:54:04.120 Yes, is the system problematic, for sure, But it's also 1:54:04.479 --> 1:54:05.960 about the choices that we. 1:54:06.000 --> 1:54:08.600 Make, and when. 1:54:07.880 --> 1:54:13.559 We mix drugs with money and power, the lines get 1:54:13.640 --> 1:54:16.280 real blurred and a lot of things happen, and then 1:54:16.320 --> 1:54:20.559 you have stupidity. Also because I'm gonna say, until the 1:54:20.560 --> 1:54:24.640 wheels fall off the bus that Shannon Sharp, that was 1:54:24.720 --> 1:54:27.320 just stupid. And I'm not talking about drugs or any 1:54:27.400 --> 1:54:29.800 of that. I'm not accusing him of anything like that, 1:54:30.160 --> 1:54:33.920 But I'm just saying, the judgment of being fifty something 1:54:34.280 --> 1:54:38.840 and getting yourself involved with a nineteen whatever age, twenty 1:54:38.920 --> 1:54:42.520 year old, nothing good can come of it. It's just 1:54:42.680 --> 1:54:46.680 no way that it's gonna work out for you because eventually, 1:54:46.760 --> 1:54:52.520 to Elliott Connie's point, you're using them purely for sex, purely, 1:54:52.800 --> 1:54:56.600 and guess what happens. Eventually they use you back, and 1:54:56.680 --> 1:54:59.680 you might not like the way you're used back. 1:55:00.440 --> 1:55:03.640 And by the way, they don't have anything to lose. 1:55:04.120 --> 1:55:05.760 And I hear everything you're saying. 1:55:05.640 --> 1:55:09.040 So we gotta be more mindful of the choices we made. 1:55:09.320 --> 1:55:12.200 Reality is most of the eighty year old Richmon. We 1:55:12.280 --> 1:55:16.000 know it's dating forty women forty and fifty years young. 1:55:16.160 --> 1:55:18.120 Why do y'all not understand. 1:55:17.880 --> 1:55:20.560 I'm just telling you. I'm not saying we don't understand. 1:55:20.600 --> 1:55:23.480 We already established we understand. It's a different playbook. 1:55:23.920 --> 1:55:25.880 No, that's not what I'm saying. Is but that wasn't 1:55:25.920 --> 1:55:28.160 what I was going to say. Why do y'all not 1:55:28.320 --> 1:55:31.280 understand that there is a difference in the mind of 1:55:31.320 --> 1:55:34.840 a nineteen twenty year old and a forty year old, 1:55:34.920 --> 1:55:35.560 so you can be. 1:55:35.720 --> 1:55:37.160 You don't think it's a difference in a month of 1:55:37.480 --> 1:55:39.240 if I'm eighty and you're thirty. 1:55:39.360 --> 1:55:40.120 No, you don't think that. 1:55:40.120 --> 1:55:42.080 You're no thirty, thirty, thirty. 1:55:42.800 --> 1:55:44.920 These eighty year olds is dad in twenty three and 1:55:44.960 --> 1:55:45.400 twenty four? 1:55:45.440 --> 1:55:47.960 And I think that that's a problem. I think that's 1:55:47.960 --> 1:55:50.720 a problem. But I'm saying. What I'm saying is that 1:55:51.160 --> 1:55:56.880 if I'm forty and even thirty something and you're eighty 1:55:57.240 --> 1:56:00.760 or your seventy, that is a big different. Friends, between 1:56:00.800 --> 1:56:04.760 you being forty and fifty and this per and this 1:56:04.840 --> 1:56:07.880 person woman or man nineteen. 1:56:07.640 --> 1:56:10.880 His mine may be depraved. He's getting he's losing his 1:56:11.120 --> 1:56:13.440 he's losing his forty year old. 1:56:13.480 --> 1:56:17.000 As you start getting eighty, ad man, Yeah, as. 1:56:16.880 --> 1:56:20.480 You start getting older, your mind you losing capacity. Actually 1:56:20.800 --> 1:56:22.320 a lot of men are losing Why not. 1:56:22.520 --> 1:56:24.280 You don't think it's okay? 1:56:25.040 --> 1:56:27.280 You don't think so, because y'all as you know that 1:56:27.360 --> 1:56:29.080 you we know that that woman. 1:56:28.920 --> 1:56:30.840 Is pure eighty years old. 1:56:31.120 --> 1:56:34.920 We know that the average eighty twenty something year old woman, 1:56:35.080 --> 1:56:37.720 that's what the eighty old man is there for one reason, 1:56:38.280 --> 1:56:41.480 this is the bottom line, that's it. 1:56:41.520 --> 1:56:44.600 Well, and then guess what happens when the man throw 1:56:44.680 --> 1:56:45.960 you out and mistreat you. 1:56:46.320 --> 1:56:48.280 I don't want to hear it, but you're gonna. 1:56:48.080 --> 1:56:50.400 Hear it, because what happens is they gonna say that 1:56:50.600 --> 1:56:52.760 something went wrong and you still got a man still 1:56:52.800 --> 1:56:54.760 gonna be held accountable. So that's his the reect. So 1:56:54.800 --> 1:56:57.000 that pretty much brings me to my I don't get it. 1:56:57.040 --> 1:57:00.280 Like I asked Royce about, you know, the situation with 1:57:00.440 --> 1:57:04.120 Meg and the new evidence in Tory Lane's case, I 1:57:04.200 --> 1:57:07.560 just don't get why Kelsey is not being arrested right. 1:57:07.760 --> 1:57:11.120 And my theory behind it is this, I still you know, 1:57:11.400 --> 1:57:13.760 am I believe that you know, the court got it right. 1:57:14.200 --> 1:57:16.640 That's just my personal opinion. It's based off the evidence 1:57:16.720 --> 1:57:19.760 that I've seen, based off the conversation, based off the 1:57:19.800 --> 1:57:23.520 text message from Kelsey, her testimony, the gun where it 1:57:23.560 --> 1:57:27.280 was at, all these things, him saying on Instagram that 1:57:27.680 --> 1:57:30.000 underneath her post that she didn't do all these things 1:57:30.080 --> 1:57:32.400 led me to believe that the course got it right. 1:57:33.480 --> 1:57:37.040 But let's say they didn't right. Let's say she did 1:57:37.080 --> 1:57:39.960 shoot us. Let's say all these things happened. She's guilty 1:57:40.040 --> 1:57:44.560 of perjury. She didn't shoot her, then she's still guilty 1:57:44.600 --> 1:57:48.880 of instructing justice because she had an opportunity. She still 1:57:48.920 --> 1:57:52.240 has the opportunity to tell the reality of what happened. 1:57:52.640 --> 1:57:55.840 The statement that she gave to the DA and to 1:57:55.960 --> 1:58:00.640 the investigators prior to the trial, which was her in court, 1:58:01.080 --> 1:58:05.120 pretty much aligned with what Meg had said. Right then 1:58:05.160 --> 1:58:08.240 when she went to court, obviously something changed and she 1:58:08.960 --> 1:58:12.160 was being evasive, trying to plead the fifth All types 1:58:12.160 --> 1:58:14.760 of things came there with a lawyer, you know, was 1:58:14.800 --> 1:58:15.600 granted immunity. 1:58:15.640 --> 1:58:16.640 All these things. 1:58:16.440 --> 1:58:21.680 Changed, right, So whatever happened in that dynamic, she was 1:58:22.440 --> 1:58:26.440 intentionally trying to obstruct justice. And if she got on 1:58:26.520 --> 1:58:29.160 that stand and she shot that lady and she didn't. 1:58:29.400 --> 1:58:32.440 When she was asked, did she shoot Meghan, she said no. 1:58:34.040 --> 1:58:36.600 And if they're saying now that there's evidence saying that 1:58:36.680 --> 1:58:39.440 she did, and it's going to be presented, then she 1:58:39.520 --> 1:58:44.600 should be either charged with shooting her and them saying 1:58:44.640 --> 1:58:46.800 that she lied about saying that she didn't shoot up. 1:58:47.040 --> 1:58:49.040 And if she didn't shoot up, then she should be 1:58:49.120 --> 1:58:52.280 forced to actually have to give the real account of 1:58:52.360 --> 1:58:54.680 what happened openly in a trial. 1:58:54.960 --> 1:58:57.240 And but we didn't get a chance to ask Royce 1:58:57.840 --> 1:59:06.880 once you had immunity, No, but we did, because. 1:59:05.120 --> 1:59:07.640 Yeah, we did say he said that. It's a whole 1:59:07.640 --> 1:59:11.520 different thing. It's obstructing justice that you it's perjury because 1:59:11.520 --> 1:59:12.000 if you get. 1:59:12.080 --> 1:59:14.720 Immunity, that's just because you have immunity is for the 1:59:14.720 --> 1:59:17.440 purpose of you telling the truth, no matter how incriminate, 1:59:17.520 --> 1:59:17.800 and it. 1:59:17.800 --> 1:59:20.320 Is exactly and if they find out that you lied 1:59:20.680 --> 1:59:24.600 anytime during giving that statement, then the community goes out 1:59:24.640 --> 1:59:26.600 the window. Right, that's what they do, like they give 1:59:27.120 --> 1:59:30.760 they have had my bosses say, they say, tell us 1:59:30.760 --> 1:59:33.560 all about everybody, and we're gonna give you immunity, and 1:59:33.680 --> 1:59:36.600 everything is covered. If they find out one thing outside 1:59:36.640 --> 1:59:39.440 of that is not covered in an immunity, right, they 1:59:39.440 --> 1:59:42.160 find out you lied about one of those things, then 1:59:42.400 --> 1:59:43.840 the whole thing goes off the table. 1:59:43.920 --> 1:59:47.880 So in this situation, this lady committed perjury. One way 1:59:47.960 --> 1:59:48.280 or another. 1:59:48.360 --> 1:59:51.480 She committed perjury and she's obstructed justice. And I think 1:59:52.320 --> 1:59:54.280 you know, Tory Lane's trying to figure out how to 1:59:54.280 --> 1:59:56.720 get home. He's gonna figure out everything, he gonna pull 1:59:56.800 --> 1:59:59.680 every stop. That's what happens when you're in prison, right, 1:59:59.720 --> 2:00:02.560 wrong difference, nobody wants to sit in jail for ten years. 2:00:03.080 --> 2:00:06.720 She is the only person that has made testimony who 2:00:06.760 --> 2:00:10.360 has flip flopped, and she's been accused of actually the 2:00:10.440 --> 2:00:13.960 actual shooting, and she's not being held accountable to even 2:00:14.000 --> 2:00:16.800 tell the full account would happen on anything, And I 2:00:16.840 --> 2:00:19.360 think at this point she is the person that should 2:00:19.400 --> 2:00:19.880 be in jail. 2:00:20.040 --> 2:00:22.120 I think Megan was trying to get justice for her. 2:00:22.480 --> 2:00:23.640 She believed that this happened. 2:00:23.640 --> 2:00:24.880 I don't think to be in jail. 2:00:25.040 --> 2:00:25.960 She should be in jail. 2:00:26.520 --> 2:00:30.120 I think, Kelsey, you think she. 2:00:30.080 --> 2:00:33.440 Should be doing I'm saying, if you're going you do you. 2:00:33.400 --> 2:00:36.280 Believe that a trial should take place. 2:00:36.640 --> 2:00:39.840 I believe this. I believe this. I think there should 2:00:39.840 --> 2:00:40.240 be a hearing. 2:00:40.280 --> 2:00:43.800 But I think either one of these two things makes 2:00:43.840 --> 2:00:48.280 you more comfortable than anybody to me, because if you 2:00:48.360 --> 2:00:51.760 are the person who were trying to shoot Meg and 2:00:51.880 --> 2:00:53.920 Tory and you allowed him to go to jail for 2:00:53.960 --> 2:00:56.160 shooting her, then you should be in jail, which is 2:00:56.200 --> 2:00:59.680 not I don't based on evidence, I don't really see that. 2:01:00.040 --> 2:01:02.440 But if that's what it is, and we find out 2:01:02.440 --> 2:01:04.640 that's true, then she should be in jail. If you 2:01:04.720 --> 2:01:07.640 weren't the person and you're allowing this evidence to come out, 2:01:07.680 --> 2:01:13.640 you're allowing this continue to be put into the universe 2:01:13.680 --> 2:01:18.160 without being given clarification. Then it's more than likely to 2:01:18.240 --> 2:01:21.120 me you took the bride, right, So I think you 2:01:21.160 --> 2:01:23.640 either took the money and you're trying whatever it is. 2:01:23.720 --> 2:01:26.680 You are instructing justice and you need to go to jail. 2:01:27.240 --> 2:01:29.480 And I don't think I don't think that nobody's paying 2:01:29.520 --> 2:01:33.280 attention to it. I think you know, Meg, No, really 2:01:33.320 --> 2:01:35.920 they're not. They're just most people saying Meg lide and 2:01:35.960 --> 2:01:39.360 Meg did this, and nobody's really focusing on Kelsey. There's 2:01:39.440 --> 2:01:42.000 no there's really no backlash for Kelsey. I don't really 2:01:42.000 --> 2:01:44.040 see anybody on when I go on these says, oh 2:01:44.080 --> 2:01:46.800 Meg lit she did this, she did this, and Kelsey 2:01:46.840 --> 2:01:50.280 is not getting to me. Kelsey is more cultortable than 2:01:50.360 --> 2:01:53.080 anybody else. And I think people should be calling for 2:01:53.120 --> 2:01:55.440 her to be arrested and for her to actually be 2:01:56.040 --> 2:01:59.760 charged with obstructing justice. And I think when you do that, 2:02:00.040 --> 2:02:02.480 we'll start getting to the bottom of it, actually what happened, 2:02:02.720 --> 2:02:05.880 because I don't understand for the life of me, how 2:02:06.240 --> 2:02:08.400 Tory Lane sat there and said he was trying to 2:02:08.440 --> 2:02:13.040 protect her when she openly said text message saying that 2:02:13.080 --> 2:02:16.440 he shot her, that he shot Meg, said he beat 2:02:16.440 --> 2:02:18.800 her up, he had he listened to a whole testimony 2:02:18.840 --> 2:02:23.919 of her, a whole tape of her giving a statement 2:02:23.960 --> 2:02:26.640 saying that he was the shooter. I don't what are 2:02:26.680 --> 2:02:29.320 you trying to protect him for? Right, Well, why wouldn't 2:02:29.320 --> 2:02:32.120 you get up there and save your name? I would 2:02:32.160 --> 2:02:33.800 never do it. I don't know anybody. 2:02:33.440 --> 2:02:36.760 Else that's that brave or that heroic. Right. 2:02:36.920 --> 2:02:38.640 You can't say that you were trying to protect Meg 2:02:38.720 --> 2:02:41.920 in my system, because you spent over a year gas 2:02:42.040 --> 2:02:44.200 lighting the woman, saying that it was gonna come out 2:02:44.240 --> 2:02:45.920 in court and the truth would be known and all 2:02:45.920 --> 2:02:48.400 these things, and you didn't do those things. So when 2:02:48.400 --> 2:02:49.960 you now, all of a sudden you were trying to 2:02:49.960 --> 2:02:52.040 protect two black women, it doesn't really make sense to me. 2:02:52.440 --> 2:02:56.680 But let's say that theory is true. Kelsey should be 2:02:56.680 --> 2:03:01.360 in jail. That's just my position at this point. It's like, 2:03:01.640 --> 2:03:03.800 come on, girl, you you you had the power to 2:03:04.280 --> 2:03:07.600 stop whatever it was if you shot him, and you 2:03:07.640 --> 2:03:10.680 shot her and this and that you had the opportunity 2:03:10.720 --> 2:03:13.640 to do anything right. If you didn't shoot her, you 2:03:13.640 --> 2:03:16.800 had the opportunity to come forward and say just be clear. 2:03:17.240 --> 2:03:21.520 But you you're allowing this, for whatever reason, you're allowing 2:03:21.560 --> 2:03:24.080 this to go too far, and you're just quiet. And 2:03:24.080 --> 2:03:25.720 I don't think she should have the right to just 2:03:25.760 --> 2:03:29.040 be quiet about the situation that's affected somebody's life, affecting 2:03:29.680 --> 2:03:32.040 other people's life. That you could just go home. Megan's 2:03:32.080 --> 2:03:34.640 gonna be called a liar and this and that, Tori's 2:03:34.640 --> 2:03:36.760 gonna be in jail and people are gonna say that 2:03:36.760 --> 2:03:38.600 he shouldn't be there. There's gonna be all of this 2:03:38.680 --> 2:03:40.960 stuff that people are dealing with, and you're just sitting 2:03:41.000 --> 2:03:43.760 in the house and you're the main piece of this 2:03:43.920 --> 2:03:46.640 and there's no consequences for nothing that you've done. I 2:03:46.680 --> 2:03:53.440 just don't think that's okay, Okay, just my personal. 2:03:53.080 --> 2:03:54.000 Position, I don't. 2:03:56.680 --> 2:03:59.360 I just feel like we're living in a world that 2:03:59.520 --> 2:04:03.440 is so weird that I don't even know how to 2:04:03.480 --> 2:04:07.360 discuss it. There's nothing, there's no amount of money you 2:04:07.360 --> 2:04:10.760 could pay me to make me believe that that woman 2:04:10.960 --> 2:04:13.800 was in the car with a man she don't know, 2:04:14.400 --> 2:04:17.080 that she just met, and that she just said in 2:04:17.120 --> 2:04:21.160 front of that man casually that she was the person 2:04:21.280 --> 2:04:24.680 responsible for killing or excuse me for shooting Meggie Stallion. 2:04:24.960 --> 2:04:27.240 There is nothing nobody could pay me. 2:04:28.000 --> 2:04:31.160 But to your point, just like I said about all 2:04:31.240 --> 2:04:37.600 these other people, if someone brings that type of charge 2:04:37.640 --> 2:04:40.640 against you, or they feel like they know and they 2:04:40.680 --> 2:04:43.400 think they can prove it, they deserve to have their 2:04:43.480 --> 2:04:47.240 day in court. And so I want to see it 2:04:47.240 --> 2:04:49.000 play out. I want to see it play out anyway, 2:04:49.280 --> 2:04:51.160 As I already said that, I want to see it 2:04:51.160 --> 2:04:54.400 play out because I want I just want to see 2:04:54.440 --> 2:04:57.240 it play out. I want to see what happens with 2:04:57.320 --> 2:05:01.960 the court. I want to see it all display out too. 2:05:02.360 --> 2:05:05.160 But I'm gonna give a breakdown on my YouTube page 2:05:05.200 --> 2:05:07.760 about this because I really have real deep conversation. I 2:05:07.800 --> 2:05:10.160 don't want to go dive too deep into it here, 2:05:10.560 --> 2:05:13.160 but it's just a lot. It's really it's really telling 2:05:13.240 --> 2:05:17.200 where we are in media, social media, just in this world, 2:05:17.320 --> 2:05:23.520 and how a narrative can be spun so deep that 2:05:23.560 --> 2:05:26.160 it's in this rabbit hole that the facts get so 2:05:27.200 --> 2:05:31.120 muddy and misconstrued that people ignore the facts and we 2:05:31.240 --> 2:05:33.440 just deal with the fiction. And people understand that there 2:05:33.440 --> 2:05:38.360 are people like Donald Trump who understands that I don't 2:05:38.400 --> 2:05:41.400 have to tell the truth, right, I get to say 2:05:41.440 --> 2:05:43.200 what the fuck I want, and y'all gonna grab it. 2:05:43.600 --> 2:05:46.440 Nobody cares about the truth is if it's more entertaining, 2:05:46.680 --> 2:05:49.440 if it lie is more entertaining, people want to grab 2:05:49.480 --> 2:05:52.640 onto something. And if I continue to throw out bullshit 2:05:52.720 --> 2:05:55.120 and just say bullshit and y'all grab on to it 2:05:55.480 --> 2:05:58.880 without doing any research or anything, that's what happens. People 2:05:58.880 --> 2:06:01.280 are saying, oh, her body this is this is her 2:06:01.360 --> 2:06:02.640 quote unquote bodyguard. 2:06:02.920 --> 2:06:04.240 Kelsey didn't have a bodyguard. 2:06:04.280 --> 2:06:07.320 This is a driver who drove, drove to her, drove 2:06:07.360 --> 2:06:10.240 with her for probably about an hour or two hours 2:06:10.680 --> 2:06:14.920 within the two days period to go to court in home. Right, 2:06:15.000 --> 2:06:17.240 this is within the two But they say this is 2:06:17.280 --> 2:06:20.720 her bodyguard. Nobody even is doing the research to say, no, oh, 2:06:20.760 --> 2:06:21.120 this was. 2:06:21.080 --> 2:06:23.480 The driver who drove he to court. Where did this 2:06:23.560 --> 2:06:24.680 driver even come from her? 2:06:24.680 --> 2:06:26.600 Where did she get a She didn't know how, she 2:06:26.600 --> 2:06:26.960 didn't know. 2:06:27.080 --> 2:06:29.200 She didn't even know who paid for her lawyers. They 2:06:29.280 --> 2:06:30.960 asked her, pay for your lawyer? 2:06:32.200 --> 2:06:34.800 Maybe she was and then she was, or don't know. 2:06:34.880 --> 2:06:39.680 This man and the man and the man sat there 2:06:40.960 --> 2:06:45.280 heard this with a person. He doesn't know that he 2:06:45.360 --> 2:06:49.960 has no particular loyalty he doesn't know her. And another 2:06:50.000 --> 2:06:53.640 man was going through this and he sat there and said, Nah, 2:06:54.000 --> 2:06:56.000 you know, I ain't gonna say nothing because I'm loyal 2:06:56.040 --> 2:06:59.080 to this girl who's in here ad knitting in front 2:06:59.080 --> 2:07:01.680 of me. 2:07:02.040 --> 2:07:03.920 Y'all got it. I mean, if that's what y'all want 2:07:03.960 --> 2:07:05.320 to run with, I'm cool with it. 2:07:05.360 --> 2:07:08.560 I'm not I wouldn't sit here and say, oh, this 2:07:08.680 --> 2:07:11.280 is stupid that it needs to just be dismissed. No, 2:07:11.800 --> 2:07:14.600 I think they should go right on down the Let's 2:07:15.360 --> 2:07:19.920 all I know is that, did you I went to court. 2:07:20.160 --> 2:07:22.680 That's all I'm gonna keep saying. So I went to court, 2:07:22.880 --> 2:07:23.440 and I know. 2:07:23.360 --> 2:07:26.560 What the jury heard and all of the ship that 2:07:26.560 --> 2:07:29.800 that gets the social media jury, that's not the one 2:07:29.880 --> 2:07:31.720 that be in the court, and the court is the 2:07:31.760 --> 2:07:32.480 real jury. 2:07:32.880 --> 2:07:36.480 Right now? Can juries be biased? Absolutely? 2:07:37.160 --> 2:07:39.880 Did this jury just see him as a black man 2:07:39.920 --> 2:07:42.720 that they want to send to jail from the look 2:07:42.880 --> 2:07:44.680 the makeup of the jurors. 2:07:45.240 --> 2:07:46.000 I don't think so. 2:07:46.640 --> 2:07:49.080 But it's possible that there was some bias in every 2:07:49.120 --> 2:07:52.560 single one of those jurors. Mine that was of a 2:07:52.600 --> 2:07:54.560 cross section of racial backgrounds. 2:07:54.760 --> 2:07:57.040 It's not like the white, all white jury. 2:07:57.760 --> 2:08:00.400 You know, this is it was a cross stction of 2:08:00.440 --> 2:08:03.960 individuals where they biased and they just want to throw 2:08:04.000 --> 2:08:06.480 them in jail. Cool was the judge paid off? And 2:08:06.880 --> 2:08:09.600 because you know that'sn't gonna be their thing. Rock Nation 2:08:09.760 --> 2:08:14.680 paid for the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, everything, every 2:08:14.800 --> 2:08:18.280 single body, every party. 2:08:17.160 --> 2:08:19.840 If you could say, it becomes fact. 2:08:19.640 --> 2:08:20.680 Don and I. 2:08:21.400 --> 2:08:26.480 But I pray that they find a way to prove 2:08:27.720 --> 2:08:28.960 every other people. 2:08:28.680 --> 2:08:30.080 Wrong if they can. 2:08:31.000 --> 2:08:33.440 And after all, I'm just leaving at that because tell 2:08:33.480 --> 2:08:34.080 you the truth. 2:08:35.160 --> 2:08:35.600 I think. 2:08:36.440 --> 2:08:40.600 I think focus, I sit back and I listen, and 2:08:40.720 --> 2:08:43.440 I see certain things in certain people, and I just 2:08:43.520 --> 2:08:44.800 say to myself. 2:08:44.520 --> 2:08:48.040 Wow, we're in some very strange times. Wow, we're in 2:08:48.160 --> 2:08:52.200 very strange times. 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