1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, And this is stuff you 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: should know about Camp David. 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: That's right, it's about Camp David. 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 3: But we're going to quickly mention that we are going 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: on a cruise, everybody, Virgin Cruise. The voyage is the 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: big Apple to Bermuda. 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I 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 2: think you just go to Virgin Voyages dot com or 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: you search stuff at sea and it will take you 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: where you need to go to register for this cruise. 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: That's October second to seventh. 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: That is correct. 20 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 3: And I'm already working on my tan and trying to 21 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: drop a couple of pounds. 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: What else to make sure I'm seaworthy. That's about it. 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: Are you practicing shuffle board? 24 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: Practicing shuffle board, uh and cards. 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: How many hats will you be bringing? 26 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 3: In all seriousness, I will definitely bring my smaller kind 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: of cool straw hat and probably my big, big sunshade 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: straw hat. 29 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: Okay, good, and maybe maybe a baseball cap. 30 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, that big, that big floppy sunshade hat that 31 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: says do not disturb on it. 32 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: No, no, no, it says bikini inspector. 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: Federal bikini inspector. 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. I couldn't remember what it was. 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: Oh man, oh man. Well, it's funny that you mentioned 36 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: federal anything, because we're talking about the federal government. And 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: this is the best segue we could come up with. 38 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: Camp Dave. It is this rustic retreat that the President 39 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 2: of the United States is able to use to get away, 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 2: ride horses, spend Christmas, try to broke her peace in 41 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: the Middle East, you know, the usual stuff. 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 43 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: I requisitioned this from I think this is Libya. Oh 44 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 3: it's got to be because of the title. Yep, the 45 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: sleep away camp for very serious grown ups. And I 46 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: really love what she came up with. And I love 47 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 3: this episode already because I am a person that is. 48 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 3: I don't know where it came from, but I am 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 3: really interested in operations and like like operations, like how 50 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 3: things operate. Like if I go to like circ to Sola, 51 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: I'm wowed by the thing or Broadway show, but half 52 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: of my brain is obsessed with how it all works. 53 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: Right, and how they do what they do. 54 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 3: And now I feel like I really understand not only 55 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: the history of Camp David, but kind of a little 56 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: behind the scenes of how it all goes down, and 57 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: I just for some reason I love that stuff. 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know that about you. Although just now 59 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: I thought you were talking about operations like swapping an 60 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: arm in a leg or something because that is interesting, 61 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 2: or the game operation. Yeah, so, Chuck, these operations that 62 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: you're fascinated by take place in keddoctin Mountain Park. It's 63 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: in the Blue Ridge Mountains. It's in western Maryland, and 64 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: we're not supposed to really get that much more specific, 65 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: although if you really look on a map, I'm pretty 66 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: sure you could find Camp David. But at least initially 67 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: when the first president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt took over, it 68 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: was meant to be like a top secret place. Yeah, 69 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: but it wasn't always a presidential retreat. It started out 70 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: I guess under FDR as a New Deal project. 71 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: Initially, that's right, in the nineteen thirties, we kind of 72 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: were able to look around at things like that dust 73 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: bowl and say, hey, we've done a pretty bad job 74 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: with a lot of our agricultural practices, and there's been 75 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: you know, haven't treated our land as well as we should. 76 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: So the federal. 77 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: Government said, let me, let's buy up some what they 78 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: call sub marginal lands around the country and see if 79 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: we can rehabilitate them, see if we can do other 80 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 3: stuff with them. 81 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 1: And this was one of those areas. 82 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: It was in nineteen thirty six when they purchased about 83 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 3: ten thousand acres in the Katotkin Mountains. It's about fifty 84 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: five miles from DC, and the soil was pretty ruined there, 85 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: just like I said, from bad agricultural practices and industrial 86 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 3: purposes over the years. 87 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: But it was in a nice area. 88 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 3: It was like lovely countryside, lovely forest, you know, creeks 89 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: and streams and ponds and all kinds of like great 90 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 3: stuff to recreate around. 91 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, as long as you didn't look too close at 92 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: the three eyed fishes and stuff like that, you're like, 93 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: this place is amazing exactly. So the government took over. 94 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 2: They renamed the area Keddocton Recreational Demonstration Area, which is 95 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: a great name. It almost like this early part of 96 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: it sounds almost soviet does. The Works Progress Administration and 97 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: Civilian Conservation Corps built camps there. Some of the original 98 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: idea was that it was going to be a recreation 99 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: area for federal workers and their families. The only way 100 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: it could have gotten more Soviet is if, like it 101 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: had used brutalist architecture. 102 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, which didn't really fit in those lovely green woods. 103 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 2: No, But FDR he was like, that's great. I'm glad 104 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: you guys are doing that. I'm going to be out 105 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 2: here cruising on the presidential yacht, the USS Potomac, and 106 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: it was known as the Floating White House. There's another 107 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: one still today called the Sycamore that I think is 108 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: JFK's presidential yacht, you mean. And I looked into you 109 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 2: can rent it for events, and we were gonna have 110 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: our wedding on it, and oh wow, it holds like 111 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: a limited number of people and we could never get 112 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: the guest list down. So we're like, oh, we're just 113 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: going to go a lope. 114 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good idea to a lope that is, thanks. Yeah, 115 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: they don't have things like that anymore because by the 116 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: time the Second World War rolled around, they were like, 117 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: maybe having all these important people like floating out in 118 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 3: the middle of the ocean isn't a great idea. And 119 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: FDR was looking also to get away to someplace that 120 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: was a little cooler in the summer, sure, because he 121 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: had bad sinus problems. And I don't think we mentioned 122 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: the name of this one particular camp inside this larger 123 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 3: area that would become Camp David was originally finished in 124 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: nineteen thirty eight. It was called Camp High Katatkin Hi 125 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 3: Dash Katatkin. And so by the time FDR is like, 126 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: all right, I can't be on that boat. I got 127 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: to go somewhere that's good for my sinuses. He said, 128 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: you know, let me see what do you got within 129 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: one hundred miles of DC. And in April nineteen forty 130 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: two they took him to Camp High Katakin and he's like, Eh, 131 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: this seems okay, he. 132 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: Said, this is fine. 133 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 134 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: What's funny about that is apparently it was also a 135 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: secret site around the same time for the OSS, the 136 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: predecessor of the CIA, for training spies in like close 137 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: quarter pistol combat. There was something called the House of Horrors. 138 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: There's a cool little Atlas Obscure article about it, Wow, 139 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: where you would go into this like haunted house and 140 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: they like instead of ghosts, they would pop up cardboard 141 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: Nazis and scary sounds and conversation being played, and like 142 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: the hallways were angled in weird ways, and it was dark, 143 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: so it was very disorienting and you had to kill 144 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: every Nazi in the place or else they would kill 145 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: you because you knew too much by that time. 146 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: Probably, that's right. So that's just a weird coincidence, or 147 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: is it. 148 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: So? 149 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: The obviously the presidential yacht was was run by the Navy, 150 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: and so they said, all right, why don't we just 151 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: let the navy run this new retreat since they're in 152 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: the sort of retreat business, even though it has nothing 153 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: to do with being on the water. And it was 154 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: launched at an installation called the Naval Support Facility Thermont 155 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 3: and Rmont is the name of the area. 156 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: When they hatched the idea. 157 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: For like Roosevelt to start going there, they would say, 158 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: all right, well, we're going to place one hundred marines 159 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: there we're going to put up a security fence with 160 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: an alarm on it. 161 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: And he said, we also got to change this name. 162 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 3: No one knows what high Catatkin is and it's hard 163 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: to pronounce. So I read this book Lost Horizon by 164 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 3: James Hilton and he talked about the Himalayan utopia of 165 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: Shangri La, and that sounds really cool. So let's rename 166 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: it Shangri La. And they said, well, you're the president, 167 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 3: I guess we have to. 168 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: They're like, we think that's terrible, but okay, yeah. Yeah. 169 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: Apparently that book is where the like the name Shangri 170 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: La came from. It was like, super popular book. Have 171 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: you read it? 172 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: I have not, neither. 173 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: So it wasn't until I think nineteen forty two the 174 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: FDR started using the camp. Of course, he very frequently 175 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: used a wheelchair, so they basically made an eighty A 176 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 2: compliant before there was such a thing as ada. Yeah, 177 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 2: and he was like, all right, I came up with 178 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: Shangri La. Let's keep this role. I'm on going. I'm 179 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 2: going to call the presidential cabin the bears Den. And 180 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: everyone was like, you're president again, and they called it 181 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: the bears Den. 182 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: That's right. 183 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: They initially spent about close to nineteen grand fixing the 184 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 3: place up, and they had a little doghouse next door 185 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: for his dog, Falla, which is really cute, and so 186 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 3: he would go there and chill out at Shangri La. 187 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: I can't wait till they change that name, by the way, 188 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: and also started the practice of what would become a 189 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 3: thing of hosting foreign leaders there and kind of like 190 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: you know, getting away from the rat race in DC. 191 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 3: Legend has it that he and instant Churchill planned I 192 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: don't know if it's legend. I think that part is fact. 193 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,599 Speaker 3: Planned some of the D Day invasion from one of 194 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: the cabin porches there. Yeah, and like would sit around 195 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: and drink bourbon and smoke cigars, do a little fishing. 196 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: I think this is the legend. Apparently on one of 197 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: the trips, they were driving back to DC and they 198 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 3: made a stop at a restaurant in Thermont called the 199 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: Cozy Restaurant because Churchill had heard of these jukeboxes and 200 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 3: he'd never seen a jukebox, So apparently they stopped there. 201 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: Churchill went in and got a beer and just marveled 202 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 3: at the jukebox. 203 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and the Cozy restaurant was around till twenty fourteen. 204 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 2: It was legendary because I mean, if you were, you know, 205 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 2: not quite of high enough status to actually stay at 206 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: Camp David, you stayed in Thermont and you probably ate 207 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: at the Cozy restaurant. So it was around for years. 208 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: You could see Churchill there, apparently you could. 209 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 2: Can you just see him like just standing over the 210 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: jukebox me mesmriz. 211 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: Just like laughing, look at these things. It's flipping records. 212 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: So you want to take a break and then come 213 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: back and talk about I don't know, Camp David. 214 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 4: Sure, let's do it. 215 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: So FDR was there, it was like a camp. Camp 216 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: rustic keeps getting batted around as a word to describe 217 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: Camp David, and today it's still used. But apparently back 218 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 2: in FDR's time, at the beginning of all this like 219 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: it was, it was rustic. And then when FDR died 220 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: in nineteen forty five, Harry Truman, whose taste did not 221 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 2: run to the rustic. Instead, he liked to hang out 222 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: at the little White House on Key West that, you know, 223 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 2: rather than in the woods outside of DC. Yeah, he's 224 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: still kind of he was a good custodian of it. 225 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: I guess he ordered like the brush to be cleared back, 226 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: and he ordered heating a heating system to be put 227 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: in so it could be used year round. Before it 228 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: had only been used during the nice, nice months out 229 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: of the year, but he didn't use it very much. 230 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: Now, you know, it seems reading through the history that. 231 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: How you view Camp David if you are president, kind 232 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: of goes back to like what you're into, sure, and 233 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: the people that enjoyed it seemed like people that were like, yeah, 234 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: I love going, like people that are probably into like 235 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 3: being in the woods and that kind of scene. And 236 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: if you're not into that kind of scene, like you 237 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: said Truman, I guess he was a beach guy because 238 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: he like Key West. Yeah, and our current president very 239 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: famously kind of hates Camp David because we see his 240 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: taste and it's certainly not rustic cabin in the woods 241 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: kind of thing. And you've seen other presidents that go 242 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: there and like seem like they have a really really 243 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: great time. Oh yeah, and we're going to get into 244 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 3: some of that, but it's just interesting, like it's sort 245 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: of foisted upon you as president. 246 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: It's like, all right, here's your. 247 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: Camp, and half of them seem they're like, I'm not 248 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 3: really into this kind of thing. 249 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a significant number just keep their mouth 250 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: shut about it but don't really enjoy it very much. 251 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: But yes, it is expected of you to visit Camp 252 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: David at some point in time during your presidency. But yeah, 253 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: some of them definitely appreciated it more than others. Ike Eisenhower, 254 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: Dwight D. Eisenhower. When he took over in nineteen fifty three, 255 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: he was like, this is a needless luxury. Let's get 256 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: rid of it. 257 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, he seemed like he didn't maybe love it. But 258 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 3: his Attorney General, Herbert brownwell, he went there for an inspection, 259 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: and he's a guy who loves that kind of thing. 260 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: He loved it, and he came back and he sent 261 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 3: sort of a joke that seems like it was like, 262 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: but I'm kind of serious a petition for executive clemency. 263 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: And so Eisenhower's like, all right, fine, we'll keep Camp David. 264 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: We should mention that it's a part of a almost 265 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: fifty nine hundred acre area that Katotkin Mountain Park, but 266 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: it's only about one hundred and fifty acres of that. 267 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: Lyvia found other and I did too, some other sizes 268 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: potentially for the size of Camp David, like one forty three, 269 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: one eighty one, twenty five, two hundred. She said it 270 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: was oddly inconsistent, But I have a feeling that may 271 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 3: just be part of the sort of subterfuge of. 272 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: Not given away too much. Sure, sure, maybe maybe. 273 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: Not, but you know, it's somewhere between let's say, one 274 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: hundred and forty and two hundred acres. 275 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: All right, I'll go along with that. 276 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: All right, you're in for that. 277 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: Of you referenced that Eisenhower relented and didn't get rid 278 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: of what was still called Shangri Lat at the time. Yeah, 279 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: he said that the name shan Law was quote just 280 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: a little fancy for a Kansas farm boy. So he 281 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: renamed it Camp David. And we can stop saying Shangri 282 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: La now, chuck. Yeah, And he named it Camp David 283 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: after his five year old grandson, whose scholars now realize 284 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: was the one calling the shots during the Eisenhower administration. 285 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: Interesting, that's very funny, by the way, But interestingly, that guy, 286 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: the grandson, David, now runs the Institute for Public Service 287 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: at University of Pennsylvania School for Communications. 288 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: And teaches a course called Communication and the presidency. So 289 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. 290 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 3: And I bet you at the first day of class 291 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 3: he was like, yes, I'm that David. 292 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: I'm that David guy. 293 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 294 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 2: One other thing about Eisenhower the president ike he was 295 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 2: the one that warned the country in his farewell address 296 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: about the growing threat of a military industrial complex. He 297 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: was actually a pretty sharp dude who had the shortage 298 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: the country heart. 299 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 300 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 3: I mean he was sharp enough to not wanted to 301 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: drive there the fifty five miles because he had a 302 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: helicopter pad built on the site. So now it's just 303 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: a half an hour to get there on I guess 304 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: Marine one. 305 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so. 306 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 3: And he said, we should also have some more fun 307 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: stuff to do here. So let's put in a screening room, 308 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: a little movie theater, Let's put in a bowling alley. 309 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: Let's put in a golf course. And they're like, we 310 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: can't put a whole golf course. He was like, just 311 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: one hole. And they said, sure, we'll put in a 312 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: golf hole. It'll have some different tea boxes to give 313 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: it a little variation. And he said, well, while I'm 314 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: naming renaming things this presidential cabin I don't like Bearsden, 315 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: I have a feeling you didn't like FDR, and he 316 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: changed it to Aspen in honor of Colorado, where his wife, 317 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: Mami grew up. And then that started the tradition of 318 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: naming all the camps cabins after trees. 319 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: Yes, which still goes on today. It's a long standing tradition. Yeah, 320 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: it goes back to the fifty apparently. One of the 321 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: other things that I don't know if Eisenhower ordered it 322 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 2: or if they were just like this needs to happen, 323 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: there was a construction of a bomb shelter in case 324 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: of nuclear war, because again this is the fifties and 325 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 2: the Cold War was really heating up. I guess it 326 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: could accommodate fifty presidential employees. I saw as much as 327 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty defense staffers if a nuclear war 328 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: broke out and it was a bomb shelters. Under selling it, 329 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: it was a called the Presidential Relocation SPOT. I don't 330 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: remember the last word, but spot will do where you 331 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 2: could run the country like out of like underground essentially, 332 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: And it's still there today. And we'll talk a little 333 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: bit more about it later. But one of the things 334 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: that I found interesting is that when Richard Nixon came along. 335 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: He ordered a heated swimming pool to be built right 336 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 2: next to the presidential cabin and I guess the only 337 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: place to put it was whit smack dab on top 338 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: of the bomb shelter. Oh and it costs like two 339 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty grand in early nineteen seventies money to 340 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 2: reinforce the bomb shelter, so the pool be put on 341 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: top of it. That's just so Nixon. 342 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's kind of cool though. It's a cool 343 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 3: looking pool. It's like a little figure eight, and you know, 344 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: as we'll learn. I guess we're gonna learn it right now. 345 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: There aren't a ton of pictures of Camp David, Like 346 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 3: it's I wouldn't say it's veiled in secrecy, but they 347 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 3: don't put a ton of stuff out there. Like the 348 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: press has never really been allowed there. It's like a 349 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 3: true retreat. So the only pictures that have ever been 350 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 3: put out are like when an administration and it's like 351 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: Obama's like, hey, put out this picture of me doing 352 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 3: a water gun fight at the pool with my daughters 353 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: because because it's super cool, I know, look awesome. 354 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was looking over the photographer's shoulders as they 355 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 2: were skinning through him. He's like that one, that one 356 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 2: ill looked pretty cool. 357 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, can you do something about my elevens 358 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: and my crow's feet? 359 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 2: He said, you need disport. 360 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 3: So Nixon put in the swimming pool. And then he 361 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 3: also is responsible for building the Laurel Lodge, which is 362 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 3: the biggest building there. It's where a lot of the 363 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: meetings are held, a lot of the bigger dinners are there. 364 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: And it replaced the previous Laurel Lodge, which is smaller, obviously, 365 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: and that one was renamed Holly the Holly Lodge. And 366 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: then Reagan came along as a as a religious guy. 367 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 3: He's like, we need a chapel here, we need a 368 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 3: non denominational chapel. Really, well, what really did he ask 369 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 3: for that or that they needed one? 370 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 2: You're not going to say it, like Ronald Reagan. 371 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: Well, okay, that's all I'm gonna say, all right, kidding. 372 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: So that he got that going, but it didn't actually 373 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 3: open until hw Bush's administration. It's called the Evergreen Chapel. 374 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 3: Previous to that, if you were a religious president like 375 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: George's own Jimmy Carter, very famously religious, he would hold 376 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: Sunday services in Hickory Lodge. 377 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently there was only one wedding, which kind of 378 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 2: surprised me, and that was name HW Bush's daughter Doro. 379 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys looked into it. You couldn't get 380 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: the guest list down. 381 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 2: We couldn't find the place. 382 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was a problem. 383 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: W George H. W Bush's son. He spent a lot 384 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: of time. I think both HW and W Bush both 385 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 2: spent Christmases at Camp David. 386 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, they loved it. 387 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, And as W's term was coming to an end, 388 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: he had the basketball court refurbished for his successor, Barack Obama, 389 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 2: because Barack Obama famously loved basketball. 390 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 5: Man. 391 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: What a what a class act. 392 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 3: Right, well, at a different time, you know, it's crazy. Yeah, 393 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: all right, moving on, So we mentioned earlier, like you know, 394 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 3: it's it's a retreat for sure, but it's also where 395 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 3: some very famous diplomatic meetings have taken place. And that 396 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: started in nineteen fifty nine when Ike, as Josh calls him, 397 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: because you're so friendly to each other, he invited Kruse 398 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 3: Chef there, Soviet premiere Kruse Chef to you know, do 399 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 3: what you do there, which is like get a little 400 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 3: more informal setting, get people out of the rat race 401 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 3: of DC and try and connect a little more personally. 402 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: And that's always sort of been the reason why they 403 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: take people there. And so kru Cheff sort of like 404 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 3: Churchill was just sat around and got at the at 405 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 3: the jukebox at the Cozy restaurant. Apparently kruse Chef was 406 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: just marveled at the bowling alley's automatic pin setter. 407 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I call Khrushchef NICKI. 408 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: I think he just yeah, well, he says call me 409 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: nicky when he's bowling. But he just kept saying. 410 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 2: He says on his bowling shirt, that's stitchy. 411 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: He kept saying, knock knock Bin's down again. I would 412 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: like to see bin set very nice. 413 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: Uh? 414 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: Did I send this to you? That little the little 415 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: extra stuff about the bomb shelter? 416 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 3: No, so well, on top of the pool or under 417 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: the pool, wouldn't On top of the poo would be 418 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 3: a very bad place for a box shelter. 419 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 2: They they were building this when Khrushchef came and visited. Yeah, 420 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 2: they didn't want doing that, so they built a deck over. 421 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: It was temporary, but didn't look temporary. Over the big 422 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: hole that they'd excavated. They hit all the excavated dirt, 423 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 2: and there's pictures of Khrushchef on the deck waving, clearly 424 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 2: doesn't know what he's standing on top of. 425 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: He said, there's someone here. Echo. Every time I speak. 426 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: In Soviet Russia, Echo. 427 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: Here's you. Oh man. That's a good fact. 428 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 2: I like that, the echo thing, hearing you built. 429 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 3: Just building the deck. It seems like something out of 430 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 3: like a Zany comedy or something. 431 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: It totally does. I can see Peter Sellers like rushing around. 432 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a strange love vibe too. 433 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, though, 434 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: some foreign dignitaries and leaders did not enjoy going to camp. 435 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: David Harold McMillan, who was Prime Minister of the UK 436 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: during Ike's term, he did not like going because apparently 437 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: Ike would make you watch westerns during movie nights. Yeah, 438 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: and McMillan, can I also call Harold McMillan mac mac 439 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: called them inconceivably banal movie nights. And I can imagine that, 440 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: like what, you gotta be kind of into westerns to 441 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: enjoy like a western anytime? You know? 442 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Emily didn't like westerns. 443 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 3: I like. 444 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: Like weird westerns, like the remake of True Grit or 445 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 2: Dead Man or you know, stuff like that. But like 446 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: the classics, I've never gotten into. Although I do like 447 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: The Wild Bunch. That's a great movie. 448 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: No geez yeah, Sam Peck and Paul, But. 449 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 2: I've never I don't think I've ever seen all of 450 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: the Magnificent Seven. Like, I've just never really gotten into 451 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: good westerns, although I do love Sam Raimis The Quick 452 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: and the Dead too. See. I like weird westerns. 453 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a name for that. It's not a visionist. 454 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 2: It's weird's westerns. 455 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a weird different word. We'll just call 456 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: it weird westerns. But I know what you mean. Like 457 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: Australia puts out some cool westerns like that. 458 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like Nick Cave's one. 459 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think you'd like Magnificent Seven by 460 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 3: the way. That's that's one that you probably would dig It. 461 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 2: Seems like you'd be right. Maybe I just need to 462 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: give it another shot. 463 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one. After the Bay of Pigs. JFK invited 464 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: would you call him jif he invited Ike back to 465 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 3: the camp to consult a little bit. I think, you know, 466 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 3: he just trusted his foreign policy experience, experience. And there 467 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: was a very famous photograph taken on that trip. Ap 468 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 3: photographer Paul Vathis won a Pulitzer Prize in nineteen sixty 469 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 3: two for his picture Serious Steps. It's this great black 470 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 3: and white of JFK and Eisenhower kind of from the 471 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 3: rear walking up a wooded path. 472 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: It's very cool. 473 00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: Picture, right with JFK saying we are screwed and I 474 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: saying you are screwed. 475 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: That's right, I'm not president. 476 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 2: Probably the most famous thing that happened at Camp David 477 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: was the Camp David Accords that was between Monacham Began, 478 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: who was the Prime Minister of Israel at the time, 479 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 2: and the president of Egypt at the time, Awar Sadat, 480 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: and it was presided over by Jimmy Carter, and Carter 481 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: and his aides really did about the best job you 482 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: could possibly do in trying to get Israel and any 483 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: Arab country in this case Egypt, to strike some sort 484 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: of peace agreement. And it's still like it's revered, especially 485 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: in the United States, as like this great success. But 486 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 2: if you look at it further down the down the pike. 487 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: It didn't work out all that well, but still this 488 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 2: was about as good as you could expect. It's certainly 489 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: the best it's ever been done at camp day. 490 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, at the time, it was remarkable to 491 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 3: even get those guys in the same room, much less 492 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 3: go to camp for almost two weeks. I think they're 493 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 3: there for thirteen days. And again, you know, the reason 494 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 3: they do this is to get away from the media, 495 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 3: to have some real privacy, to connect as humans. 496 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, a little foots the end of the tables here. 497 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 3: They watched movies together apparently on our sadat hiked the 498 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: trails each morning. Carter very purposefully didn't even use the 499 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 3: larger room. He went to that that initial meeting room, 500 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 3: which was renamed Holly because he thought it was more 501 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 3: intimate and he loved it there. You know, Carter loved it, 502 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: but the guys found it kind of you know, they 503 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: were used to the wide open desert and so they 504 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 3: found it kind of dark and gloomy. But you know, 505 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 3: one of the pluses of being isolated like that is 506 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: if things start going south, they just they can't run 507 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 3: and like jump in their car and be at the 508 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: airport in ten minutes. 509 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the press isn't there to provoke hostility in 510 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: order to like get a great quote or to stir 511 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 2: things up for better, better press or whatever. 512 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. 513 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 2: I also saw that Jimmy Carter watched Star Wars with 514 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 2: anwar sadat and that is not a joke. 515 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's okay. 516 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: Watched at Camp David. 517 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: That that's amazing. 518 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: So Ronald Reagan, I think, aside from the Camp David accords, 519 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: I associate Camp David with Ronald Reagan more than anybody. 520 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: He loved it, man. 521 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: He loved going and playing cowboy when he was during 522 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: when he was president. 523 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, he loved it very famously, loved riding horses. Nancy 524 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 3: loved it. They would go there like a lot on 525 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 3: the weekends, like their little weekend retreat. Because again, it's 526 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 3: a thirty minute helicopter ride and all of a sudden, 527 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 3: you're at this, You're I think being away from the 528 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 3: press is a really big deal. 529 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a huge part of it. 530 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, just to go check out. So he would host 531 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: World Leaders there, He recorded his weekly radio addresses there. 532 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: The Bushes loved it too, like you said, they spent 533 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: Christmases there, both you know, father and son, and apparently 534 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: w used it for some post nine to eleven strategy 535 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: sessions and Obama liked it a lot too. 536 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, no word on what Biden did with it. He's 537 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: apparently being erased from history. 538 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: Well, Obama moved the G eight summit there. 539 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 3: I think it was supposed to be in Chicago, and 540 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 3: you know, he gave the reasons that usually give was 541 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 3: to get away from everyone and kind of have a 542 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 3: more free flowing discussion. But other people are like, I 543 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 3: think you're probably also trying to avoid protesters, right. 544 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: Because if the press can't get there, I can tell 545 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: you protesters can't. Yeah. 546 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 3: And I mentioned Donald Trump not really liking it very much. 547 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 3: I think in twenty seventeen he said it was quote 548 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: very rustic and then said, you know how long you'd 549 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 3: like it for about thirty minutes. So it's not his scene, 550 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: and I think no one is surprised about that. But 551 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 3: he has used it, I think kind of when he 552 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 3: has to. I think last year he used it for 553 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: a retreat regarding Middle East strategy. So more Middle East 554 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 3: strategy taking place at Camp David. 555 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: Okay, Chuck, I say that we take a second break 556 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: and when we come back, we're going to really get 557 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: into your favorite part how this place operates. 558 00:29:15,200 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 5: I love it. 559 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: All right, so we're back to talk about operations. I'm 560 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: so excited. 561 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 3: Its official name is the Naval Support Facility Thermont, obviously 562 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 3: still operated by the Navy, like I said, and most 563 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: of the work there are members of the Civil Engineer 564 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 3: Corps who are known as the CBS. And if you're 565 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 3: Taylor in your station to Camp David, first of all, congratulations, 566 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: I imagine that's pretty awesome as an assignment. But it's 567 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 3: a thirty six month tour, so you're there for about 568 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 3: three years. And you may be a cook, or you 569 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 3: may be may be a hairdresser, or you may be 570 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 3: able to ride horses and teach people to ride horses, 571 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 3: or you may be a licensed lifeguard. 572 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not a guard though. A guard guard though, 573 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: that's the Marines, as we'll see. 574 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: That's right. 575 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 2: There are other organizations or other departments that handle different 576 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 2: parts of it. The public Works department they handle maintenance 577 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: of the building, the grounds, the electrical systems, the vehicles, 578 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 2: anything that starts to break down. Public Works is probably 579 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: on top of it. The Operations department they handle arrivals 580 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: and departures of aircraft. That would include marine one. Chuck, 581 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: that's aircraft too, that's right. They handle electronics, they handle firefighting, yeah, which. 582 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: Means to think about that. 583 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: They're in charge of the VCRs and VCR fires there 584 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: at Camp David. 585 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: That's right. 586 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 3: Oh man, you know that VCR has got some hours 587 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 3: log too, so it's a it's a fire waiting to happen. 588 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: I think it's got a big trouble and little China 589 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: stuck in it right now. 590 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: I love that movie. 591 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: That's so great. That might be my favorite movie. Man, 592 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: that is such a good movie. 593 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: Oh it's classic. 594 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 3: I keep trying to get Ruby to watch it and 595 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 3: she hasn't yet, but I know she's gonna love it. 596 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: She will love it. Yep. 597 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: It's good. 598 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 3: Supply department deals with finances, accommodations, and food service is 599 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 3: a big part of it there obviously, and that is 600 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 3: an extension of the Navy's Presidential Food Service Department. This 601 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: is the stuff I love, Like you never think about like, yeah, 602 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: somebody buys groceries for these meals for the White House 603 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: and elsewhere. But it's got to be like a rigorous 604 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 3: thing as far as the chain of command and like 605 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 3: as far as poisoning and stuff goes like, it's not 606 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 3: just somebody shopping for food. So they handle all that 607 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 3: stuff and all the catering and all the dining services. 608 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: I've got something for you since you like how all 609 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: of this are. Oh yeah, I read about that when 610 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 2: they buy groceries. The first family pays for their own groceries. 611 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: Did you know that? Wow, everything else is essentially free. 612 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: They have to pay for the food they eat, aside 613 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: from like state dinners and stuff like that. But the 614 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: family eats groceries that they pay for. They get a 615 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: monthly bill every month. And I think it was Michelle 616 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 2: Obama who said that they learned the hard way that 617 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: you should ask how much different things that you're putting 618 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 2: on your grocery list costs, because oh yeah, you can 619 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: get sticker shock from the monthly bill. 620 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess that's how Trump was well versed on 621 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: the price of eggs. 622 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: I guess so he. 623 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 3: Probably went over that bill at the end of every 624 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 3: month and it was like, this is how much eggs are. 625 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: I wonder if they jack the price is up, or 626 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: if they're fair or they get a discount or something. 627 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: But I would like to know that. But yes, I'm 628 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 2: fascinated by that to somebody buying groceries in that situation. 629 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I bet how it goes down is either 630 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: there it's a very specific like place that they shop, 631 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 3: or it's like just totally secret and no one has 632 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,479 Speaker 3: any idea that it's that's what they're shopping for. 633 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 2: Good point. It could yeah, it could definitely be. Maybe 634 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: there's two. There's like a decoy shopper too, all right. 635 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: They have a shirt on that says, you know, Presidential grocery. 636 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 2: List, Federal Body Inspector. 637 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 3: It's like when, uh, well, on that note, it's like 638 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 3: when Michael Keaton wore the FBI shirt in uh oh, 639 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 3: what was it? 640 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: No, I can't think of it out of sight. 641 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 2: Hmm. I don't remember that. 642 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 3: The great Steven Soderberg movie with j Lo and George Clooney. 643 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 3: I think I think he wore like an FBI T 644 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 3: shirt like while doing FBI raids and stuff. 645 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: I didn't even know he was in that movie. I 646 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 2: haven't seen that one either. 647 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 3: He's got oh boy out of side his guh rape 648 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 3: capital like that a great, great one. 649 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: All right, I'll tick it out that in the Magnificent seven, 650 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 2: basically the same movie. 651 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, Chuck. 652 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 2: I also said that if you were on a hitch 653 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 2: in the Navy assigned to Camp David, you probably weren't 654 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: a guard, and that's because the Marines guard it. Specifically 655 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 2: the Marines from the eighth and I Street Barracks, which 656 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 2: is a barracks in DC. They've pretty much from the 657 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 2: outset been responsible for guarding the camp. 658 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. 659 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 3: I think when it was first built in nineteen fifty seven, 660 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 3: they only went there when the president was there. But 661 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 3: then Ike Josh's buddy said, you know what, we should 662 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 3: probably just have people there all the time guarding the place. 663 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: And I think seventy one to seventy. 664 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 3: Two is when the Marine's forum Marine Security Company as 665 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 3: a permanent company, and I think they are on about 666 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 3: an eighteen month tour when they're stationed. 667 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 2: There, right, And everyone there has Yankee White Clearance, which 668 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 2: is very frequently referred to as a security clearance level. 669 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 2: It's not it's a specific type of background check. I 670 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 2: think it's the deepest background check that they perform, and 671 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: everyone who works near the president has that kind of 672 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 2: background check done. 673 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it involves a surgical glove, if you know what 674 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 3: I mean. 675 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: There was one other thing too that Livia pointed out 676 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 2: that I hadn't thought about, But I'm sure it's quite 677 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 2: true for the people who just work there, Like during 678 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 2: times when the president's not there, there's probably not that 679 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 2: much to do, and then all of a sudden, there's 680 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: everything in the world to do right now when these 681 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 2: like the president does come and there's like a summit 682 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 2: or something like that. 683 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean they're feeding themselves in the staff, 684 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 3: and they're keeping up with the grounds and all that, 685 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 3: keeping the grass mode and everything clean. Sure, but yeah, 686 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 3: when the dignitaries come around and the president comes around, 687 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 3: it's I imagine a high stress situation because a lot 688 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 3: of these people that come, like we mentioned with you know, 689 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 3: these leaders in the Middle East are coming to a 690 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 3: completely different scene that they're used to, and a lot 691 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 3: of them are have very pacific religious accommodations that need 692 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,959 Speaker 3: to be made and meal accommodations that need to be made, 693 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 3: whether it's like kosher food or like getting alcohol removed 694 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 3: from a cabin or putting prayer rugs in the proper spot. 695 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot of hoops. 696 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 3: You got to jump through to make sure everyone feels 697 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 3: good about being there, and also like that the accommodations 698 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 3: are kind of on par with one another, and like 699 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 3: got he got the better room, right, Well, you don't 700 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 3: want that happening. 701 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 2: I mean, some of the cabins are nicer. There's obviously 702 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 2: ones that are closer to Aspen, the presidential cabin than others. 703 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 2: So figuring out who stays where is like a huge, 704 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: hugely important part of all this. I mean, like we're 705 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 2: talking about some of the most fragile egos in the 706 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 2: entire world. 707 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. 708 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 3: Plus, I mean, if you're a foreign leader, you want 709 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 3: to be close to the president's cabin so you don't 710 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 3: have to go far for the middle of the night 711 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 3: sneak out, makeout, sessh. 712 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 2: It's right, skinny dipping in the pond behind Aspin, that's right. 713 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 2: So if you are a hiker in this area, you 714 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 2: can actually get accidentally close to Camp David. And the 715 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 2: way that you will find out that you accidentally got 716 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 2: close to Camp David is because a marine's going to 717 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 2: suddenly emerge from the woods until you to turn around. 718 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 2: Right now, It's like rao pretty much. 719 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, hiding at the ground as a pile of leaves, right, yeah. 720 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,280 Speaker 2: Or like he's covered in mud and he suddenly opens 721 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 2: his eyes. 722 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: Oh god, I remember that one. That was a good one. 723 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 2: So yes. And the reason why you could accidentally stumble 724 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 2: into this chuck is because intentionally there's no sign in 725 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 2: saying like welcome to Camp David or stay away from 726 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 2: Camp David. Like it's still meant to be semi secret. 727 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 2: And it's those marines on patrol that are essentially the 728 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 2: first line of defense perimeter wise. 729 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, you know you're getting close if you're on 730 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,479 Speaker 3: your lovely hike and you see a sign that maybe 731 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 3: says no photography out here in the middle of the woods, 732 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 3: no loitering, and then you're like, oh, I bet you 733 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 3: I'm getting close to Camp David. And then you know, 734 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 3: the eye and the mud comes out, and you know 735 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 3: you're done for. 736 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 2: Also, if you're a plane and you get too close, 737 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 2: you're probably going to have a fighter jet suddenly come 738 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,760 Speaker 2: out of nowhere and say, hey, follow me to Reggan 739 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 2: National Airport. 740 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 741 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 3: I think airspace is restricted to five thousand feet above 742 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 3: sea level and at three mile zone when the president 743 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 3: isn't there. When the president is there, it's ten miles. 744 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 3: And what else we got, Well, should we talk just 745 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 3: a little bit of about some of the lodgings. 746 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 2: Sure, I think we'd be remiss if we didn't. 747 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 3: Well, there's about twenty cabins and obviously other buildings. You 748 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 3: got that presidential cabin, which is four bedroom with a 749 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 3: kitchen and an office in a patio. And that swimming 750 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 3: pool is right there. So if you see that picture 751 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 3: of Obama playing with his kids at the pool, the 752 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 3: cabin in the background that is the one. 753 00:38:55,719 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 2: That's Aspen Baby the former bears Dan. Yep, there's Laul Lodge. 754 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,399 Speaker 2: We talked about that. It's a huge conference rooms, dining room, 755 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 2: all it's like the official it's the most official, probably 756 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 2: of all the congregational areas. Right Hickory Lodge. When you 757 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 2: want to blow off some steam and just watch the 758 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 2: pin setters in action, that's where you're going to hang out. 759 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 2: There's also a bar there so you can. 760 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: Get soused, and maybe a hookah pipe. 761 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 2: Sure. Oh yeah, there's definitely a hukah lounge and a 762 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 2: kava bar as well. There's a gift shop in Hickory 763 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 2: Large Lodge. Like do they actually charge foreign leaders for 764 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 2: like a postcard or something, and are the foreign leaders 765 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 2: buying a postcard at Camp David. 766 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 3: Oh, well, I know that Kruschef very famously bought a 767 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 3: shot class Camp David shot class and a little license 768 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 3: plate with he couldn't find his name, but. 769 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: He just found one that said Nick Yeah, and he's 770 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: like close. 771 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 2: Enough, and on the shot class that said I got 772 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 2: nuked at Camp David. 773 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: Oh man, I want to. 774 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 3: Go there so bad it us did see a picture 775 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 3: of the actual Camp David's sign, and it looks like 776 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:12,240 Speaker 3: a like, you know, teenager like Camp in the Woods 777 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 3: camp sign. 778 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 2: It's awesome, right, Like it's yeah, I can imagine exactly 779 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 2: what it looks like. Yeah, it's kind of chiseled in 780 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 2: the yellow lions. 781 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,399 Speaker 1: That's the one. 782 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 2: Uh what else you got, horseshoes, skeet shooting. Oh, there's 783 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,439 Speaker 2: the last thing I think we should put in there, Chuck, 784 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 2: is that they all ride golf carts there. Apparently it's 785 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 2: one of the funnest aspects of Camp David, which I 786 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 2: think says a lot about Camp David, is that there's 787 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 2: a fleet of golf carts and the president's is called 788 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 2: golf Cart one. 789 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was George W. 790 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 2: Busher came up with that. 791 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 3: That's right, and they've called it that ever since. Uh so, 792 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 3: you can, you know, shoot the skeet. 793 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. 794 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 3: I think there's a second swimming pool for the staff 795 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 3: and you play a little tennis if you want. 796 00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: Have you ever shot skeet? 797 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, it's funny. I was driving from Chicago to 798 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 2: Akron and I was passing by fields that my dad 799 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 2: used to take my sister and I out to to 800 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 2: shoot skeet. 801 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: Oh did you have one of the flingers? 802 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 803 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have only done it once and it was 804 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 3: at a skeet shooting facility in Wine Country in California. 805 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 3: It's funn and I was. I loved it and. 806 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: I was pretty good at it. 807 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I had never shot shotguns like that before, 808 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 3: and like I was hitting them Paul, Yeah, it was fun. 809 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is fun. Like we go out with a 810 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 2: big old box of those clay pigeons and shoot them up. 811 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 2: I don't remember whether I was good or not, but 812 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 2: I mean I was probably ten years old holding a 813 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 2: twelve gage shotgun. 814 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I loved it so much. I was like, 815 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,919 Speaker 3: oh man, I found online. There's like a club south 816 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 3: of Atlanta, and I'm going to buy a shotgun and 817 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 3: like become a member. And of course I never did 818 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 3: any of that, but I am looking forward to going 819 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 3: again one day. 820 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 2: Somebody is Christmas coming up? 821 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 1: That's right? 822 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I think we're done with David for. 823 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,919 Speaker 1: Now, right, Yeah, that's a good one. 824 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 2: Until you go there and you can report back. 825 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: That's right. 826 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 2: Well, since Chuck said that's right about going to Camp 827 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 2: David and reporting back, it's time, of course for listener mail. 828 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 1: This one is a follow up on Roar. 829 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 3: Hey, guys, just wanted to write in about a brief 830 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 3: thing Josh said in the Roar episode. I'm summarizing, but 831 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,440 Speaker 3: he mentioned at one point that a movie shouldn't have 832 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,920 Speaker 3: the same writer director in star because they needed to 833 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 3: keep one another in check, sort of like the branches 834 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 3: of government. This really isn't a thing. 835 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: Josh Chuck was on the spot. 836 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 3: Came up with a good example in Clint Eastwood, but 837 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 3: I couldn't think of any others, so I will mention 838 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 3: Spike Lee, Woody, Allen, John Cassavettis mel Brooks, Kevin Costner, 839 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 3: a guy named Orson Wells. More modern examples include Ben Affleck, 840 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 3: Bradley Cooper and Billy Bob Thornton. Some even act as 841 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 3: editors and camera operators, sometimes under fake names for reasons 842 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 3: I think have to do with unions, but I'm not sure. 843 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: Anyway, I hope young. 844 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 3: Filmmakers hear this, because encouraging students to write, direct, and 845 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 3: star and their own short films is a great way 846 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 3: to learn the craft and get things done. 847 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: And that is Sylvi, not Sylvie Sylvie. 848 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Thank you for setting me straight eight 849 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 2: ways till Sunday. If you want to be like Sylvie 850 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,919 Speaker 2: and set me straight and give all sorts of great 851 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 2: examples to back your point up, that's fantastic. You can 852 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 2: put it in email and send it off to stuff 853 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 2: podcast at iHeartRadio dot com. 854 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 855 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 856 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,360 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.