WEBVTT - The Facsimile, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey are you welcome to Stuff to Blow

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<v Speaker 1>Your Mind? My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're back with part two of our Invention series

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<v Speaker 1>on the history of document duplication and fac simile technology.

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't heard part one yet, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>doing here? You might want to go back and listen

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<v Speaker 1>to that one first, But I guess before we get

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<v Speaker 1>started today we could do a brief refresher on what

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about in the last episode, so uh Rob.

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<v Speaker 1>We discussed the emergence of document based culture and business, politics, religion,

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<v Speaker 1>and society through the ancient world, and some examples of

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<v Speaker 1>ways that ancient people and people in documents scarce environments

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<v Speaker 1>might think about documents and copying differently than we would

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<v Speaker 1>tend to think about those subjects today. We talked about

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<v Speaker 1>the long history of the scribe, a figure of a

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<v Speaker 1>vast importance who usually spend most or even all of

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<v Speaker 1>their time merely copying documents. We discussed some early labor

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<v Speaker 1>saving devices designed to duplicate documents without the need for

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<v Speaker 1>hand copying. Of course, you know most copying since since

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<v Speaker 1>the invention of writing has been done not by machines

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<v Speaker 1>but by scribes or human copy is having to make

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<v Speaker 1>copies of books and letters and everything by hand. But

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<v Speaker 1>these early labor saving devices included things like the so

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<v Speaker 1>called polygraph, not the Lie detector test, but this was

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<v Speaker 1>a name for a device designed to produce an exact

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<v Speaker 1>copy of a handwritten document at the time of its

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<v Speaker 1>origin by transferring the movement of your pin through a

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<v Speaker 1>system of levers to a second pin writing on a

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<v Speaker 1>second piece of paper. Uh. And then also we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about things like the copy press or the letter copying press,

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<v Speaker 1>which refers to a family of related device is which

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<v Speaker 1>I'll operate on the principle of moistening a very thin

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<v Speaker 1>piece of paper and then smashing it against an original

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<v Speaker 1>document in a gigantic clamp or sometimes in a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of press or roller to cause some ink to bleed

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<v Speaker 1>through from the original document onto the copy paper, giving

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<v Speaker 1>you a copy to keep for your records. And we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about how versions of the copy press were widely

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<v Speaker 1>used throughout the nineteenth century and even somewhat into the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century, though they will start to overlap with other

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<v Speaker 1>technologies and and uh, duplication and facsimile solutions that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about today. Now, I wanted to throw in

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<v Speaker 1>a quick note about Facsimile's uh we do. We titled

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<v Speaker 1>these episodes facsimile, and I thought we might point out

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<v Speaker 1>that you get into the idea of duplications and duplicated documents,

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<v Speaker 1>but then there is the realm of of facsimiles, which

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<v Speaker 1>is where you're really getting the idea of something that

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<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be a perfect copy, a perfect reproduction

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<v Speaker 1>of a given text um. And this this can be

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<v Speaker 1>seen in the Latin. The Latin is to make a

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<v Speaker 1>like uh, and it forms the root of the of

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<v Speaker 1>the fac simile that is referenced in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>word fax machine, though a fax machine doesn't really produce

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<v Speaker 1>a true fac simile because this generally again this gen

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<v Speaker 1>generally denotes a copy that is perfect or as close

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<v Speaker 1>to perfect as possible in every regard, and in some

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<v Speaker 1>cases we're talking about not merely the contents of the text,

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<v Speaker 1>but the way in which it is written, illustrated, and

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<v Speaker 1>even bound. In some cases, so a fac simile is

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<v Speaker 1>especially useful if the original is both highly desired in

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<v Speaker 1>its original form but also fragile, exceedingly rare or valuable,

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<v Speaker 1>not ideal for wider use or travel. Um. They're numerous

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<v Speaker 1>examples of this, but but one that I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>at just yesterday. I mean not the book itself, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>but as an example. There's this book called the Codex Gigus,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is the largest extent medieval illuminated manuscript. It

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<v Speaker 1>was created in the thirteenth century, and it is thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six inches or cimeters long, and it also contains a

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<v Speaker 1>full page portrait of the devil. Um So I included

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<v Speaker 1>a photograph of a fac simile of this manuscript for

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<v Speaker 1>you to look at here. Joe, Oh, yes, I've seen this.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen this devil illustration before. And a funny note

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<v Speaker 1>on on originals and copies. I think when I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>this before, the comparison that happened in my mind is, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's similar to the illustrations of Terry Gilliam, like the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that appear in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

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<v Speaker 1>But actually I think I've got the continuity backwards there,

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<v Speaker 1>don't I. So I guess probably Gilliam was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>imitate some of the medieval illustration style, like we would

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<v Speaker 1>see here like this looks kind of like the the

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<v Speaker 1>beast in the cave in the Holy Grail, but the

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<v Speaker 1>beast in the Cave is probably somewhat imitating this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of drawing. Yeah, this devil has a wild and comedic appearance,

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<v Speaker 1>at least to modern He's he's pretty, he's pretty narn

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like he could be on the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>us of a skateboard or writing a rat fink car

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<v Speaker 1>around you know. Um, there are other great examples I

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<v Speaker 1>think of of modern facsimiles. For instance, the poetry of

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<v Speaker 1>of William Blake. Uh. These were originally printed from copper plates.

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<v Speaker 1>They were hand colored. And certainly you can read the text.

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<v Speaker 1>You can read. You can just you know, look up

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<v Speaker 1>the text of a poem by William Blake on the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>read it in a simple text format and and it

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<v Speaker 1>will be great. I mean, the poetry, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>does not lose anything via its transformation into modern text. Likewise,

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<v Speaker 1>you can just pull up the illustrations and look at those.

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<v Speaker 1>But the originals were unique and they provided a distinct

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<v Speaker 1>reading experience, So one can understand why the facsimile experience

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<v Speaker 1>is still desired. And yes, you can still get facsimiles

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<v Speaker 1>of William Blake's original publications, And of course the same

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<v Speaker 1>is true of various historic illuminated manuscripts, where the book

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<v Speaker 1>itself is a work of our art. The same can

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<v Speaker 1>be said of various historic government documents. And uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you get into the realm of fiction, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you could also say that you would desire a facsimile

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<v Speaker 1>of certain books that do great harm, like the Necronomicon,

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<v Speaker 1>the Book of the Nine Gates, the Kingdom of Shadows,

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<v Speaker 1>of the Book of Sand, something like that. Or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't. Maybe the strange things that make them dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>are only going to be found in that singular text,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe each in their own way. These are commentaries

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<v Speaker 1>on the the desirability of a singular text, of having

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<v Speaker 1>that book in your hand that has some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>history that reaches back through time in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>it hasn't been translated, it hasn't been transformed by a scribe. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course the idea of making exact copies of

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<v Speaker 1>a page as it as it looks in its original

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<v Speaker 1>form would become much easier later on with digital effects.

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<v Speaker 1>Simile in duplication techniques and and even to some extent

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<v Speaker 1>with like zuographic techniques, which we'll talk about later in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, that those would probably often not be producing

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly faithful or full color copies, they would at least

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<v Speaker 1>give you, uh the gist of the appearance of an

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<v Speaker 1>original page rather than just say the the code of

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<v Speaker 1>the text appearing on that page. Speaking of codes, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it might be good, especially before we sort of

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<v Speaker 1>leave the ancient world behind us and and continue to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about more recent inventions in the world of document

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<v Speaker 1>reproduction and duplication. Uh yeah, I thought we might talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some of the the origins of document security. So

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<v Speaker 1>in our last episode we did mention the use of

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<v Speaker 1>sealed envelopes on tablet tablets and Mesopotamia. This, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is one way to secure a document and make it

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<v Speaker 1>so that no one can read it without making it

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<v Speaker 1>blatantly obvious that somebody did so. But another way is

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<v Speaker 1>of course, to keep the information itself, which is sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>referred to as the plain text, secret by encoding it.

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<v Speaker 1>In this we turned to the realm of encryption, and

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<v Speaker 1>encryption dates back to ancient Egypt, at least as far

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<v Speaker 1>back as nineteen hundred b c. E h. This, according

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<v Speaker 1>to anthropologist Brian Fagan, working with writing historian Andrew Robinson,

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<v Speaker 1>has written some uh some some wonderful books about the

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<v Speaker 1>history of writing UM. This has pointed out in the

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<v Speaker 1>seventy Grade Inventions of the Ancient World UM. But military

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<v Speaker 1>cipher's date back to around the fifth century BC in Greece,

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<v Speaker 1>where they were used by the Spartans, and the substitution

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<v Speaker 1>cipher was used by the Romans during the first century CE.

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<v Speaker 1>So the examples that Fagan and Robinson bring up UM

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<v Speaker 1>in in this brief chapter in the seventy Grade Inventions

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<v Speaker 1>are really quite interesting. So first of all, the Egyptian example,

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<v Speaker 1>this wasn't actually used to send messages, but rather as

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<v Speaker 1>a way of encoding multiple readings into a single um

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<v Speaker 1>stela of hieroglyphics, which meant that it was all about

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<v Speaker 1>just challenging the reader. You can think of it as

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of encryption, uh, merely for I wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 1>entertainment purposes, but without any true practical purpose. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't discount the entertainment function. I mean, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most entertaining things is to have the sensation that you

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<v Speaker 1>have discovered a secret, meaning there there are there are

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<v Speaker 1>whole genres of literature based around this. Now, the Spartan

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<v Speaker 1>example is really neat because the Spartan Uh, the Spartans

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<v Speaker 1>made use of a special staff kyled a scattally and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, Dune fans out there, this is the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the of the face dancer character of the Talilaxa

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<v Speaker 1>that shows up in Doom Messiah, which is rather fitted.

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<v Speaker 1>But this would be the way the system works is

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<v Speaker 1>you would have this special staff, the scattally, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you would have a leather strip that would be wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>around this, you know, specific wooden staff in a spiral

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<v Speaker 1>fashion without overlap. Um. I hope everybody can picture that

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<v Speaker 1>in your head. Otherwise you can just look up an

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<v Speaker 1>image of this. It's s c y T A l E.

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<v Speaker 1>Then what you would do is you would write your

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<v Speaker 1>message horizontally down the staff. UM. So you know, here's

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<v Speaker 1>the staff. If you had if you had the staff

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<v Speaker 1>with this wrapping around it, and you laid it out

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<v Speaker 1>on the table in front of you while there would

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<v Speaker 1>be your message across it, and then you could you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of roll it almost like a like like the

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<v Speaker 1>roller of a typewriter to see other lines of text. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Once that message is in place, you unwind the strap,

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<v Speaker 1>which now is just going to be nonsense if you

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<v Speaker 1>try to read it. If you try and read it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as a as a ribbon of of text,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just gonna be nonsense. And you can't just wrap

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<v Speaker 1>it around any staff, uh and uh and reproduce it.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, you have to know you know how

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<v Speaker 1>it's to be wrapped, and then you need a staff

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<v Speaker 1>with the exact same diameter. And so this is what

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<v Speaker 1>is called a transposition cipher. Okay, so this is basically

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<v Speaker 1>a nu miracle cipher for unlocking the code. But the

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<v Speaker 1>cipher is based in the circumference of the staff in

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<v Speaker 1>your hand. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, tied up with this this

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<v Speaker 1>physical key to unlock the code. Though, to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>transposition ciphers don't necessarily need a stick or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is this is the earliest example we have

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<v Speaker 1>of this sort of thing. The Romans, however, again, they

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<v Speaker 1>made use of a substitution cipher, in which your symbols

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<v Speaker 1>are replaced by new symbols, usually via a certain algorithm,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can be a very simple algorithm. The basic

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<v Speaker 1>version of this as used by the Romans would be

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<v Speaker 1>to list out all the Latin letters and then sub

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<v Speaker 1>each one out for a letter three down from its

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<v Speaker 1>current position. Uh. And this was exactly the system that

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<v Speaker 1>Julius Caesar used. Now this makes me think about how

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<v Speaker 1>security issues with the contents of sensitive documents have really

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<v Speaker 1>changed since the ancient world, when documents themselves were scarce.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there you could say, Okay, I will imagine

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<v Speaker 1>there's a sensitive document. Maybe you don't want certain people

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<v Speaker 1>seeing it, you don't want people making unauthorized copies of it,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want people making changes to it. For whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to keep that documents secure. It's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>easier when there's just one fixed physical form of that

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<v Speaker 1>document to start with. Uh. We live in a totally

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<v Speaker 1>different world now, right. We live in a world of limitless,

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<v Speaker 1>lossless copying in which most documents are digital, and that

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<v Speaker 1>unleash is completely different concerns about security, because you can't

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<v Speaker 1>look at where the one original physical copy of the

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<v Speaker 1>document is. If the original is digital, you can assume

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<v Speaker 1>that there is pretty easy copying of it or of

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<v Speaker 1>the information in it, and it can be really difficult,

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<v Speaker 1>especially given all of the other technology we have to

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<v Speaker 1>put limits on that, Like, people can try to do

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<v Speaker 1>things like password protect access to documents, encryption for for

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<v Speaker 1>the retrieval of sensitive documents and stuff like that. But uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everybody's got a camera in their phone and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. So even if like you're in a

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<v Speaker 1>secure location looking at a document that's for your eyes only,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've got your camera, you can take a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of the screen. I mean, we just live in a

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<v Speaker 1>completely different environment when it comes to the sensitivity of

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<v Speaker 1>document contents. It's a lot harder to keep a lid

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<v Speaker 1>on things today. But assuming you trust the person who's

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<v Speaker 1>actually looking at the document not to take pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>it and share them with whoever. H there are tools

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<v Speaker 1>available today that I guess we're not available at this time,

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<v Speaker 1>such as the stuff we're just mentioning, you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>password protection, encryption and digital gating of access to documents

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. So, in a weird way, like

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<v Speaker 1>access has become easier than ever to control, but also

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<v Speaker 1>harder to control in the in the strictest possible sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So the examples that bring up here, you know, largely

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of provides basic bedrock of of encryption. You know, Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>the ages in which these were you it was a

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<v Speaker 1>different it was a different time. Um and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>if memory serves um. Fagan and Robinson also pointed out that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you just don't see as many examples of

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<v Speaker 1>encryption in the ancient world as as you might expect

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<v Speaker 1>to find because it's as we as we related, documents

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<v Speaker 1>were important. These these empires and um and and kingdoms.

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<v Speaker 1>They they they were run on documentation. Uh and so

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<v Speaker 1>you would think you would see more examples of encryption.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, maybe part of that is just a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times you're dealing with singular documents and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, something far removed from what we have in

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<v Speaker 1>the modern world. Yeah. So there's a physical scarcity, there's

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<v Speaker 1>only a single original document to begin with. But I

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<v Speaker 1>guess also there is lower lower levels of literacy means

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<v Speaker 1>that means there is less opportunity for someone to read

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<v Speaker 1>this sensitive document. There's more I want to come back to,

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<v Speaker 1>actually later in this episode about how the world has

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<v Speaker 1>changed when we transition from documents scarcity to not only

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<v Speaker 1>document abundance but probab document overload. But but I guess

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<v Speaker 1>before we get there, we should talk more about the

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<v Speaker 1>history of these document duplication and facsimile technologies than so

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<v Speaker 1>picking up after the example of things like the copy

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<v Speaker 1>press that we talked about in the last episode, what

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<v Speaker 1>took over before we got to things like computers in

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<v Speaker 1>the modern photocopier. Well, I think it is time to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about carbon paper. Yes, so carbon paper was. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I've used carbon paper, you know. This is not something

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<v Speaker 1>that completely vanished but before we were born in I

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<v Speaker 1>remember I've had some jobs where actually had to do

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<v Speaker 1>stuff on carbon paper. This was in the twenty one century. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not at how stuff works, right, I don't remember most

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<v Speaker 1>ever having to write articles on carbon paper. But so, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>carbon paper was invented long before it became a dominant

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<v Speaker 1>player in the document duplication world throughout office settings and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are many variations, but basically all carbon paper

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<v Speaker 1>works something like this. You have the carbon paper itself,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a thin piece of paper covered on one

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<v Speaker 1>side with some kind of ink or pigment, often bound

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<v Speaker 1>to the paper with wax. And then to use the

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<v Speaker 1>carbon paper, you would create a stack of at least

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<v Speaker 1>three sheets of paper lined up on top of one another,

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<v Speaker 1>so you'd have the original paper copy on top and

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<v Speaker 1>then you'd have the carbon paper in the middle underneath that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you'd have the paper you intended for the

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<v Speaker 1>second copy on the bottom. So you write or type

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<v Speaker 1>your message on the top sheet, and as you do,

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure from your pencil or pin bearing down, or

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure from the type bars of a typewriter striking

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<v Speaker 1>the page will cause the dried ink or pigment on

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<v Speaker 1>the back of the carbon paper sheet to leave a

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<v Speaker 1>mark on the copy page underneath. So the work of

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<v Speaker 1>making one copy creates a second copy automatically. The pressure

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<v Speaker 1>pushes the pigment through and it imprints on that second page.

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<v Speaker 1>Credit for the invention of carbon paper is often given

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<v Speaker 1>to an English inventor named Ralph Wedgewood because of an

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen o six patent he received for an invention called

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<v Speaker 1>the manifold style a graphic writer h So this is

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<v Speaker 1>an invention that, like the polygraph, drew the interest of

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Jefferson, and in a letter to Charles Wilson Peel

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen o nine, remember Charles Wilson Peel was the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who perfected the design of the polygraph, Jefferson complained

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<v Speaker 1>that the carbon paper only really worked if you wrote

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<v Speaker 1>with a hard pointed stylus on a hard surface, which

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<v Speaker 1>I guess he didn't like to do, and also complained

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<v Speaker 1>that quote the smell of the paper is so fetted

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<v Speaker 1>that one could not stay in a room where there

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<v Speaker 1>was much of it. This is something we'll come back

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<v Speaker 1>to numerous times here. But uh, we were so far

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<v Speaker 1>removed from this for the most part in today's world,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we don't think about the uh, the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you might need to open a window or have proper

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<v Speaker 1>ventilation in a room if you're going to be engaging

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<v Speaker 1>in the work of the scribe and or any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of document duplication. But this seems to be the case.

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<v Speaker 1>You see this reference to, you know multiple times. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean so a lot of these methods would produce fumes.

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<v Speaker 1>Though it's funny he's complaining about the smell here. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the technologies we're going to talk about in a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they would have been using different kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>dyes or inks or something produce smells that that many have.

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<v Speaker 1>Many people today is still alive today have great nostalgia

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<v Speaker 1>for if you found the part of the internet where

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's just like, oh, I miss the smell of the mimiograph. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not find that part of the Internet, but

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<v Speaker 1>I did find some wonderful videos with people demonstrating some

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<v Speaker 1>of these uh uh these techniques, which I found very

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<v Speaker 1>helpful because some of the techniques we end up talking

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<v Speaker 1>about there there may be a little difficult to picture

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<v Speaker 1>in your mind. Uh, but if you see someone doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, I can I can

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<v Speaker 1>see what's what what they're doing there. I see the acess.

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<v Speaker 1>I see how this is producing a duplication of text. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll try to be as clear as we can to

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<v Speaker 1>help you picture it. But yeah, looking up videos is

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<v Speaker 1>always helpful. Um. So, carbon paper was not like a

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<v Speaker 1>photo copier. Again, you could not mechanically produce copies of

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<v Speaker 1>a pre existing document. Instead, it was more like the

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<v Speaker 1>polygraph machine. It was an invention that would allow you

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<v Speaker 1>to produce extra copies of a document at the point

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<v Speaker 1>of the documents composition or at the point of the copying.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it takes writing or typing in order to

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<v Speaker 1>make the copies that will give you extra copies. But

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<v Speaker 1>assuming you're either composing in the first place or you're

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<v Speaker 1>able to type or rite out a copy by hand,

0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.760
<v Speaker 1>you actually didn't have to stop at that single carbon

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<v Speaker 1>paper sandwich and it's single extra copy. You can actually

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<v Speaker 1>create a stack of carbon paper sandwiches, so you'd have

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<v Speaker 1>original on top, then carbon paper than the paper for

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<v Speaker 1>the first copy, then carbon paper than paper for the

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<v Speaker 1>second copy, and so forth. But as you might imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>the quality of the copies deteriorates pretty rapidly the further

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<v Speaker 1>down the stack you go, So there was a technical

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<v Speaker 1>limit to how many copies you could duplicate from a

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<v Speaker 1>single original if you cared about them being legible. I

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<v Speaker 1>think anyone who has used a physical checkbook can probably

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<v Speaker 1>understand what we're getting at here, because the physical check

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<v Speaker 1>book will often have those carbon pages. That that mean

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<v Speaker 1>that when you write out that check, you have an

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<v Speaker 1>automatic copy of it underneath on the carbon sheet. However

0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.560
<v Speaker 1>you can it's not going to be as clear as

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<v Speaker 1>your original check it's going to be, you know, very legible.

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<v Speaker 1>You can imagine if you had multiple layers, uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that there are going to be huge limitations about

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<v Speaker 1>how deep you can go. Apparently, the use of carbon

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<v Speaker 1>paper became even more pronounced starting in the late nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>Around the eighteen seventies, or eighteen eighties with the spread

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<v Speaker 1>of typewriters. Since you know the hard punch of a

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<v Speaker 1>typewriter key, when that bar hits the page, that's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good at driving the carbon imprint through several layers. But

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<v Speaker 1>carbon paper is not going to solve all of the

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<v Speaker 1>world's duplication need problems. Because so in the last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we talked about the difficulties created when you

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<v Speaker 1>need a medium number of copies of something and it's

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<v Speaker 1>something of medium importance. So if you just need two

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<v Speaker 1>or three copies, you could use the existing methods, you

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<v Speaker 1>could use carbon paper, or you could use the copy press.

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<v Speaker 1>If you needed thousands of copies of something and you

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<v Speaker 1>had the budget and the time and the access, you

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<v Speaker 1>could hire out a printing press and they do all

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the setting the movable type, and they

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<v Speaker 1>print out a run for you. But if you're in

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<v Speaker 1>the medium zone, so you just need fifty copies of something,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if it is some piece of ephemeral office memoranda,

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of small business document, or if it's a

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<v Speaker 1>grade school worksheet or church bulletin or anything in that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of category, it would not make sense to hire

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<v Speaker 1>out a printing press. You know, you don't have the time,

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<v Speaker 1>the lay burn, the money involved would just not really

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<v Speaker 1>be justified for that kind of printing. And yet it's

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<v Speaker 1>definitely more than you could easily make with a stack

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<v Speaker 1>of carbon paper sandwiches under a pencil or a typewriter.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this kind of mid level document duplication, for

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<v Speaker 1>for for schools, for small businesses, for whatever was constantly

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<v Speaker 1>in demand all throughout society. But there was nothing exactly

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<v Speaker 1>to satisfy this kind of need until we get to

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<v Speaker 1>a a few inventions that will mention in just a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>but briefly, before we leave the idea of carbon paper,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to, uh flag an interesting fact that

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<v Speaker 1>even though carbon paper is pretty much obsolete, it is

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<v Speaker 1>still latent in our language. For example, when you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a carbon copy of something that comes from the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of carbon paper. Uh, and it's even there in

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<v Speaker 1>our email fields. You know, if you see see somebody

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<v Speaker 1>on an email, the c C stands for carbon copy,

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<v Speaker 1>which is funny because you know, I'm sure in offices

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<v Speaker 1>of of sixty seventy years ago was everyday occurrence that

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<v Speaker 1>you type up a letter and send it to somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there would be a carbon you know, a

0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 1>copy made with carbon paper underneath it that would go

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<v Speaker 1>to the person who you literally wanted to see ce

0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 1>on that physical message. But now we're doing it with

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<v Speaker 1>digital duplication, and the digital duplication possible with the computer

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:26.680
<v Speaker 1>has so much more fidelity than carbon paper copies ever did. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So first of all, I don't think I knew this

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<v Speaker 1>until just now that what c C stood for. I

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<v Speaker 1>just never thought about it. But but yeah, to your point,

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you can you can see see a single individual on

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:38.960
<v Speaker 1>an email, which falls in line with what you would

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<v Speaker 1>be doing with carbon copy. But you can also, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with like a distributional list, you can see see everyone

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<v Speaker 1>within a given corporation, that sort of thing, which is

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<v Speaker 1>well beyond what you would have been able to handle

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<v Speaker 1>with carbon paper. Oh that ties into something I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get back to you later on. But first, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk the mimiograph. So, so here's where Thomas Edison

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<v Speaker 1>enters the pick. Sure. Yeah, So I was reading about

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<v Speaker 1>some of these technologies in a book from titled The

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<v Speaker 1>Four Photo Copying The Art and History of Mechanical Copying

0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 1>by Barbara J. Rhodes and William W. Um Street and

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<v Speaker 1>in this they were talking a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 1>mimeograph and um they said that it is essentially an

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<v Speaker 1>American file plate stencil duplicator. There's a lot of discussion

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<v Speaker 1>in this book about the different terms for what these

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<v Speaker 1>different technologies are, and a patent for this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>device has been filed for this by duplication inventor uh

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Eugenio D. Zuccado, and I believe this was eighteen seventy four.

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<v Speaker 1>So his idea was to use a thin sheet of

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<v Speaker 1>paper that was coated with wax on one side, and

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<v Speaker 1>you do your writing then over a rough surface. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is described in the book as as a surface

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<v Speaker 1>being like that of a file you know, like the

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<v Speaker 1>rough suffa rough metal surface that you used to file

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<v Speaker 1>something down with. But you're putting your your wax coated

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<v Speaker 1>paper on top of that and then you bust out

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<v Speaker 1>your metal stylus. And the the pressure applied to the

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:11.400
<v Speaker 1>paper over the rough edges in the writings surface would

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<v Speaker 1>cause perforations in both the wax and the paper fibers.

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<v Speaker 1>The stylus would also displace some of the wax. But

0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the key here is that the ink could then flow

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.840
<v Speaker 1>into these perforations to reproduce the writing. Now, this was

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:27.240
<v Speaker 1>also called the papyro graph, and then there was a

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:32.119
<v Speaker 1>more advanced typograph that was also produced. The main drawback

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to this, uh, this technological approach was just the cost

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 1>of the plate itself, which was was not just something

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:40.919
<v Speaker 1>you could be thrown together. You would have to have

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 1>a skilled individual create these things. Yeah, and this is

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the principle of the stencil. The mimiograph is going to

0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>become one of the major duplication technologies to the last

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.719
<v Speaker 1>couple of centuries, and it operates on the principle of

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:58.199
<v Speaker 1>a stencil similar to screen printing techniques that were not

0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>new at this time. They've been in use for hundreds

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 1>of years in China and Japan, I think, especially for

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 1>for printing on cloth or garments. Yeah, it's worth noting

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>that a number of these now outdated duplication techniques have

0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:17.399
<v Speaker 1>been reclaimed by artists. Artists, especially fiber artists and so forth,

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 1>have gone back and looked at them and figured out

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 1>ways to play with them and create unique artistic expressions

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 1>through them. But let's get back to Edison, because Edison

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 1>wants a slice, right right, Okay, Yes, So in eighteen

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 1>seventy six, the American inventor and according to some patent holder,

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Thomas Edison, received a patent for the device that would

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.640
<v Speaker 1>come to be known as the mimeograph. It wasn't called

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.480
<v Speaker 1>this initially, and this would be one of the most

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 1>important duplication technologies basically until the advent of computers and

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 1>photocopiers a century later. Though there was also an important

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 1>competing technology that I think Robby you're going to talk

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 1>about in a minute, um, But basically Edison's version was

0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:59.439
<v Speaker 1>you would use an electric pin which was part of

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 1>the patent, to cut out a stencil page. So imagine

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.919
<v Speaker 1>writing out your document. You you do your writing of

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.480
<v Speaker 1>text or drawing of illustrations, whatever it is you want

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.639
<v Speaker 1>to copy, not with ink on paper, but with this

0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 1>electric pin that would cut holes in a type of

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:18.679
<v Speaker 1>card sheet, and then you would smash the stencil page

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:22.639
<v Speaker 1>in a flatbed press between an ink soaked surface and

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>a blank piece of paper, and so the ink would

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 1>traverse through the gaps in the stencil and then make

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>a near perfect copy of your stencil document. Now, not

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.399
<v Speaker 1>long after Edison's patent there was some design improvements introduced

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 1>by a Chicago inventor named Albert Blake Dick who came

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.199
<v Speaker 1>up with the idea of calling it the mimiograph. And

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 1>while the earliest model was a flatbed press, later models

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 1>tended to use sometimes a rolling press which could be

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.639
<v Speaker 1>operated by hand crank or even by an electric motor.

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.439
<v Speaker 1>And you could say the proposing and cons of the

0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 1>mimiograph there were a lot of pros. Actually, Like with

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.160
<v Speaker 1>a mimiograph, you could make pretty much as many copies

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 1>as you wanted. It wasn't like carbon paper were legibility

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:08.399
<v Speaker 1>declined significantly after the third copy. Uh. It tended to

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 1>be very cheap. I mean, I think even actually buying

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.879
<v Speaker 1>the mimiograph machine itself was pretty cheap. But I wonder

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 1>if part of that I'm not sure about this, but

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:19.120
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if part of that is that manufacturers were

0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>selling the mimiograph machine at a pretty low rate because

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 1>they knew they could continue to sell the equipment that

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 1>went with it, like the the ink and the stencil

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>cards and stuff. But of course there were there were

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 1>still Consuh. This was still not a method for immediately

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>producing a facsimile or copy of an existing document. So

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of the other methods we've talked about,

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>this duplication technique still requires work to happen at the

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>front end of the copying process. You had to cut

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>out the stencil, which there were methods for doing with,

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, either like the hand operated stylus or with

0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>with say a typewriter of sorts, and you could punch

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the stencil, but you had to make it at the

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 1>front end. You couldn't just take a document, stick it

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>in there and get copies to come out right, or

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:09.600
<v Speaker 1>you would at least have to make use of someone

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 1>who is acting in the role of a scribe to

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 1>take your document and transcribe it into the miniograph format

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>so that it then could be duplicated with ease. Yeah.

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Now the mimiograph was not on its own because there

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>was another sort of parallel technology that did pretty much

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 1>the same thing but worked differently, widely known as the

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Ditto machine. But I think the principle underneath it is

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 1>the idea of a spirit duplicator. And actually, when I

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 1>mentioned there was nostalgia for the smell of the mimiograph,

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember if I said this, but there's apparently

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>nostalgia for the smell of the spirit duplicator as well.

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>People liked sniffing these things. Well, we'll get to the

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>smell here in a second. Um. Now, I'll be the

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 1>first to admit that the idea of a spirit duplicator

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 1>was instantly appealing, because my mind instantly went to, uh,

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the idea of the of the of the you know,

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>the spirit in the supernatural or religious sense. So I

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 1>was wondering, okay, is this is a device by which

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the human soul may be duplicated? Or perhaps it's a

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>means by which the haunting spirit of the deceased might

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 1>be reproduced. It also made me think of I haven't

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 1>actually seen this film, but I've has wonderful posters the

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 1>sci fi film The Human Duplicators. Oh, that's got a

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 1>good tagline. It says, made to kill or love on command,

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>a masterpiece of shock in color. I've never seen this one.

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>But in the interest of as we always try to

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>uh making the mundane weird again, I mean, it is

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 1>important to remember that there is a kind of spirit

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 1>duplication going on with all of these machines. Which are

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 1>these are mechanical methods for making the contents of someone

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 1>else's brain visible to people across time and space. Absolutely so, ye,

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 1>spirit is not completely, uh, you know, off the mark here,

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>but the spirit in spirit duplicator is actually referring to alcohol,

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's still very interesting. Also known as a

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>as a rexograph ditto machine, also the banda machine. And

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 1>I was reading about this again in before photo Copying

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>by Rhoads and Street or according to the authors, it

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 1>is a variation of the hectograph, and a hectograph is

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>something that I must admit also sounds like weird magic

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 1>when I initially read about it. You know, the idea

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>that say, a wizard may produce a copy of a

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 1>sacred text by first filling a shallow pan with a

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 1>certain slime, and then the wizard may place the document

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>in the slime, the slime shall copy the woods and

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>glyphs therein, and applying a second piece of paper to

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>the pan, the slime shall imprint upon it the sacred magics.

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's not far off because this method literally

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 1>uses like gelatin, right yeah, yeah, And this is one

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>where I recommend, I do recommend looking up a video

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>of this because I I had to look at a

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 1>video to really get it, uh the exactly what a

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>hectograph is, but basically a special pin is used to

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>write the original document. And I've I've read that the

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>teachers would use this to do lesson plans. Uh, you

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>would uh and uh. And also you would have a

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>tray of gelatine that was prepared, or you might have

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>a gelatine pad, and you you press and roll the

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 1>paper against the gelatine and then you remove it. And

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>now when you press blank sheets against the gelatine, it

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 1>reimprints the contents all the original document. Wow. So look again,

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty cool. Worth looking up a video. Left. So

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>you make a special print original, then you smash it

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 1>into a big tray of jello and then you press

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>pages against the jello to get the to get the

0:32:56.080 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>copies off correct. Yeah, all right, So now let's get

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>act of the Spirit duplicator, a machine that hinges on

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 1>some of these techniques. So, according to Rhodes and Street

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 1>or the hectographic carbon sheets formed the basis here quote,

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>which was carried out on hectograph machines with rotary cylinder

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 1>printing surfaces. The master sheet was typed with the carbon

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 1>sheet behind it so as to create a reverse image

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>of the text. It was then fastened to the cylinder

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>with the ink facing out, and then they continue a

0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>master was prepared then run under a cylinder with a

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>gelatin coated covering. This picked up the ink, as would

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a roll of hectographic paper to create the quote unquote

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 1>negative from which the copies would be made. This sounds

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 1>slimy and complicated. Yeah. They go on to write that

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>in spirit duplicators, blank sheets of paper are run under

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the cylinder on a on a carriage moistened first with

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>a special duplicating liquid. And this liquid is where the

0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>spirit comes in, because we're talking about an alcohol based liquid.

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>The dissolve small amounts of ink on the master sheet

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:08.280
<v Speaker 1>or gelatine cylinder and then transfers that to blank sheets.

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 1>So that's the spirit, that's the alcohol playing an important part.

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>So these were in action by the late ninety twenties,

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.480
<v Speaker 1>and they apparently printed darker in a good way and

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 1>more uniformly than purely gelatin methods like I was talking

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 1>about earlier. Also, they point out that these copies were

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 1>more permanent, as they died the fibers of the paper

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 1>as well as opposed to just the surface of the paper.

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh So it was good for quote small to medium

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:39.560
<v Speaker 1>print orders. Um and it was often seen as an

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>ideal thing for a school or office setting, small businesses, etcetera,

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>good for newsletters. The main drawback they mentioned it's just

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.479
<v Speaker 1>the initial cost of the machine. But I've also seen

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 1>some papers out there at least discussing the possibility of

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>harmful methanol fumes from this device, at least if the

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:00.320
<v Speaker 1>machine was used in a place without ideal than a Asian.

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:03.359
<v Speaker 1>But then, like you said, some people were just super

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 1>nostalgic for the the smell I guess of of all

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>of this um methanol coming off of the document duplication process. Well,

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 1>let me be clear, I'm not encouraging people to inhale

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>harmful fumes for nostalgia's sake. I'm just reporting what I

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 1>saw people saying. But it's interesting, right because within this

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 1>machine we have we have mechanical technology, we have a

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 1>chemical approach to duplication as well as a physical you know,

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about rollers and imprinting and so forth, and

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 1>and the alteration of paper. And I was also reading

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 1>that like the basic process involved here, UH is apparently

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>still used by some tattoo artists as a means of

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.800
<v Speaker 1>applying an initial temporary tattoo to guide the permanent work.

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 1>So perhaps if there any tattoo artists out there, you

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>can shime in on this this h on this factoid.

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh I should also mention, you know, describing this process. Yes,

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 1>videos are helpful, but also you might look up a

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>photograph of the machine itself because it it's it's it's

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:03.759
<v Speaker 1>rather interesting. I'm not sure I would be able to

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>identify what it is if I saw it. I might

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>guess that it's something involved and printing or something with paper. Um.

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:12.399
<v Speaker 1>You you definitely see like a large in the model

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I was looking at here, you do see a large

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 1>like drum rolling cylinder and you see, uh, you know,

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:21.240
<v Speaker 1>the various apparatus is there that are necessary to guide

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>paper through it? And I guess you're also seeing various dials, um,

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and they're in place so you can apply certain settings

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>to the process. Now, eventually, after this era we do

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 1>get into the modern realm of of photocopiers based on

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>things like zerography and two computers of course, which you know,

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 1>digital duplication of documents is a whole other realm. It's

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of like the uh realm boundary has been crossed.

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:57.879
<v Speaker 1>Once you're talking about digital duplication. We don't have time

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 1>today to talk about all of the other duplication technologies

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 1>that came in between, but I did briefly want to

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:07.840
<v Speaker 1>talk about the zerography process that made photo copying possible,

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 1>because before this I actually would not have been able

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 1>to explain how that worked. I didn't know, but uh,

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>in reading about it, it's pretty interesting. So the photo

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:19.280
<v Speaker 1>copier rose during the second half of the twentie century,

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:23.800
<v Speaker 1>and it operates on this principle called zerography, which translates

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:28.240
<v Speaker 1>essentially to dry riding, because the photocopier uses no wet ink. Instead,

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 1>it uses a type of uh, dry ink you could

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 1>think of a dry coloring agent called toner. And the

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 1>main principle that enables the the copying of imagery or

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>documents through the photo copy or astatic electricity. So inside

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:49.720
<v Speaker 1>a photo copy or machine, there is an electrostatically charged

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 1>surface made out of a photo conductive material, and this

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 1>element is known as the drum. This is down inside

0:37:57.120 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>the machine, underneath that transparent surface where you lay down

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>the document you want to copy. So you lay your

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 1>original down face down on this transparent surface and then

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess usually you want to cover it, but the

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 1>machine shines a really bright light up against the original

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 1>page and that light is reflected off of the page

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 1>back onto the drum. Again, the drum is this electrostatically

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>charged metal surface, but the key is that the light

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>is reflected selectively based on what is on the page

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 1>you're shining the light on. So white and brightly colored

0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 1>areas on the page, such as blank space, will reflect

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of light, while black and darkly shaded areas

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 1>of the page, such as the letters on a text document,

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 1>will reflect little to no light. And this light pattern

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>reflects onto the drum, which is selectively electrically modified by it.

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>So the area is hit by bright light become electrically neutralized,

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 1>while the area is not hit by bright light retain

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:03.320
<v Speaker 1>their charge. And then the toner, which is a collection

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 1>of these charged particles with some kind of pigmentation on them,

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 1>that's then applied to the drum. And the toner has

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:13.840
<v Speaker 1>an opposite charge to the initial charge of the drums,

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 1>so through static electricity, it sticks to whichever parts of

0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the drum received less light, so for example, the marked

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.720
<v Speaker 1>parts of a document. And then the drum is applied

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:29.880
<v Speaker 1>to oppositely charged paper printing a copy of whatever was

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 1>dark on the original page. And then finally the toner

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 1>is fused to the page, usually by some combination of

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:40.800
<v Speaker 1>heat and pressure, which I guess probably some of that

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 1>fusing process gives the pages coming out of a photocopy

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 1>or also their own distinct smell, which I don't actually

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>have very fond memories of. Really, I don't know, you're

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:53.879
<v Speaker 1>just describing it, and I kind of took me back

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:59.319
<v Speaker 1>to making for photo copying pages out of books in college. Uh,

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.800
<v Speaker 1>often times it felt like just way too many pages

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 1>out of books and there would be a distance, like

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>the paper kind it's all hot and has that odor

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 1>to it. And I was also just thinking about you know,

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:14.840
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about the way it captures text and images.

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.040
<v Speaker 1>If you have if your page happen to have, say,

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:20.760
<v Speaker 1>a wood cut illustration on it, well that might transfer perfectly,

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 1>depending how you know, ultimately dark the background is. But

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>then if you had, say, uh, in a oil painting

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:31.239
<v Speaker 1>or something in there, some you know, classic work of art, uh,

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>it might just come out as a black smudge on

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 1>on your page. So so that, yeah, there were definitely

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 1>limitations depending on what you were trying to duplicate through

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:43.320
<v Speaker 1>this through this machine. Yeah, I think the zerography technique

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:48.279
<v Speaker 1>would work better for original imagery that was already high contrast,

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 1>and the wider the background the better, I think. I

0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 1>remember also running into that issue if you had like

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:57.959
<v Speaker 1>kind of dark paper, um or darker paper than the normal,

0:40:58.040 --> 0:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>you could end up with kind of a real grimy

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>look to it that was difficult to read. But I'm

0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 1>talking about this technology like, we don't still use it today.

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:07.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're there there, you can still you can

0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 1>still have to find ready access to to xerox machines

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:14.759
<v Speaker 1>and so forth. Though there's I would argue, in many

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:17.640
<v Speaker 1>ways far less need for it than there once was,

0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:21.239
<v Speaker 1>just because of how much duplication takes place purely in

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the digital realm. Now, yeah, unless you're going through a

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:27.880
<v Speaker 1>process where physical copies are required and uh and and

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 1>so forth, then um, then yeah, you probably don't need

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:34.320
<v Speaker 1>to use this machine. And it began. It seems like

0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:37.840
<v Speaker 1>we even in the over the past fifteen years, you know,

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:41.719
<v Speaker 1>we've seen more of a movement towards say, digital signatures

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:46.240
<v Speaker 1>on things, right, and so the era of digital document

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>sharing and duplication has introduced. You know, it's solved a

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of problems that existed during the era of only

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 1>physical duplication, but it's also introduced some new ones. I mean,

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:01.359
<v Speaker 1>we've already alluded to issues with security. Like originally, if

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 1>you had a very sensitive document, say you wanted to

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 1>show it to ten people, you could maybe show it

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 1>to them and then collect all ten copies back and

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:11.879
<v Speaker 1>you'd know that you had all of them. Of course,

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 1>it becomes harder to control that information in its original

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.839
<v Speaker 1>form if you're sharing it digitally. And of course there's

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:20.840
<v Speaker 1>a whole uh, you know, realm of digital security solutions

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 1>that have evolved specifically to combat that kind of problem.

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:28.200
<v Speaker 1>But there's another problem I think that is faced in

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 1>the era of limitless, lossless copying of of documents through

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>digital means, and that is, uh, I guess, actually a

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 1>suite of problems that have to do with the changing

0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 1>economics of like reading and detention time. So we used

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 1>to live in a global situation of document scarcity where

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 1>it was where it was you know, cost intensive to

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.359
<v Speaker 1>both in terms of like labor and economics to make

0:42:56.480 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 1>copies of documents. So as one uh, almost maybe trivial

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 1>sounding consequence of that, I wonder how much that encouraged

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:08.880
<v Speaker 1>brevity in documents actually, like, would would there be a

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>pressure to be more short? And to the point about

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.440
<v Speaker 1>documents that you know, in a realm in which any

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:19.319
<v Speaker 1>copying of that document would have to be done by hand? Uh,

0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:23.720
<v Speaker 1>And do documents have a tendency to grow unnecessarily long

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 1>if there's no palpable cost associated with adding additional lines

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and pages to that document when you need to copy

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.600
<v Speaker 1>and share it. Yeah, that's a good point. This and

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:38.320
<v Speaker 1>this got me thinking about you know, really long novels

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and and how especially in paperback form, they could they

0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:46.560
<v Speaker 1>could be often just like almost unreadable. Uh. You know

0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:49.239
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about that in the past. One particular edition

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>of Done that came out is a real eye strain,

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:56.840
<v Speaker 1>super tiny print. Yeah. Uh, but I was even just

0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 1>thinking as it applies to, you know, the kind of

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 1>documents you would share in a business context. Yeah, keep

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 1>it to one page, because it's that much more of

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.560
<v Speaker 1>a pain to to go and then use the mimiograph

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 1>machine to create two pages, or especially if this is

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:15.759
<v Speaker 1>before the mimiographing got somebody like typing out copies on

0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 1>a typewriter. I mean, this is a huge part of

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 1>labor all. You know, even in the twentieth century when

0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the mimiograph existed, there was a lot of labor that

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:27.880
<v Speaker 1>just went into typing copies of things on on carbon sheets. Yeah. Now,

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.600
<v Speaker 1>another interesting thing to think about it was when you

0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 1>get into the realm of the printing press and you

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:34.400
<v Speaker 1>get into the room of newspapers, and just like the

0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:37.719
<v Speaker 1>physical layout of a newspaper, at times it's going to

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 1>constrict you, but other times it's going to create extra

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:44.440
<v Speaker 1>space that then has to be filled. So there's an

0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>interesting sort of push and pull when you start thinking

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 1>about like the physical demands of the medium and what

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:54.879
<v Speaker 1>they require you to do to fill that medium. There's

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.840
<v Speaker 1>another thought I was having that is along these lines,

0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 1>but framed a little bit differently. Um, and that's that.

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Another way to think about this is that over the

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 1>course of the last few thousand years, we have transitioned

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 1>from ah a regime of extreme documents scarcity. You know,

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>like books were rare and extremely expensive, documents were incredibly

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:19.920
<v Speaker 1>laborious to make copies of, to not only an environment

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 1>of document abundance, but an environment of document engorgement. I mean,

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:30.279
<v Speaker 1>we are overloaded with access to documents honestly, of which

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.360
<v Speaker 1>are of really no relevance to us. All the spam

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:36.279
<v Speaker 1>email you get that is people sharing documents with you

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:39.239
<v Speaker 1>that are not actually of interest to you. Uh And

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:41.760
<v Speaker 1>and this happens, you know, not just in your email

0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 1>in box, but all the time. I mean, you're You're

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 1>constantly being presented with, especially digital access to pieces of

0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:52.280
<v Speaker 1>written information that are competing for your time and attention,

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:55.879
<v Speaker 1>but they're not actually important to you. So when there's

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 1>too much to read and too much to share with

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:03.320
<v Speaker 1>limitless lost less digital copying of documents, the problem of

0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:06.360
<v Speaker 1>the world becomes not how do I get the information

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:09.759
<v Speaker 1>I need? But how do I tell which information is

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:13.440
<v Speaker 1>important and prioritize that. In fact, I would say that

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:17.640
<v Speaker 1>this is one of the major uh new problems created

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:22.760
<v Speaker 1>by the digital era, just being constantly presented with digital

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:26.560
<v Speaker 1>information that is essentially free for people to produce and

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.600
<v Speaker 1>put in front of you. So you're just constantly wading

0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:34.160
<v Speaker 1>through all of this documentary noise to try to direct

0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:37.680
<v Speaker 1>your attention to whatever information is actually of relevance to

0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:41.760
<v Speaker 1>your life. Yeah, and even when you have constraints in place,

0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 1>like the fact that a lot of the books, I

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:45.359
<v Speaker 1>mean there are a lot of e books you can

0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:49.200
<v Speaker 1>get for free, certainly, um, but then you do have

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 1>to buy a lot of the books as well. But

0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>your major platforms are going to provide you with free samples,

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:58.439
<v Speaker 1>and so it's easy to just overload yourself with free

0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>samples of things that you might can receivably read and

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:05.160
<v Speaker 1>then are therefore easy to to then go on and

0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:07.239
<v Speaker 1>purchase if you decide you're gonna keep going with it.

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Whereas when you're dealing with physical books, I mean, yeah,

0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:14.360
<v Speaker 1>you're making these of the libraries with these things, but

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:16.600
<v Speaker 1>still like you can only check out so many physical

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:20.200
<v Speaker 1>books at a time, you could only probably buy so

0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:22.920
<v Speaker 1>many physical books, or would only buy so many physical

0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 1>books at a time, and so there's a certain level

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:27.839
<v Speaker 1>of commitment. They're like, Okay, this is the book I'm

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:29.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm gonna go for. I'm gonna give this one

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 1>a go, uh and I'll return it or if I

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 1>don't want it, or you know, maybe I can trade

0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:38.000
<v Speaker 1>it in or something. But um, now the options are

0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:40.520
<v Speaker 1>they can certainly be overwhelming. I would say that the

0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 1>same sort of uh information over abundance problem applies even

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:49.400
<v Speaker 1>say within the controlled information flow of an office setting

0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:53.560
<v Speaker 1>where you know, no disrespect to to one's bosses and

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 1>co workers and all that. But I think anybody who

0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.160
<v Speaker 1>works in an office is familiar with the problem of

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 1>constantly receiving emails that are are not of any use

0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 1>to you, but you're they're taking your time because it

0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:09.200
<v Speaker 1>was free to copy you on this email. So there's

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:12.759
<v Speaker 1>a massive amount of like lost productivity, even in in

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:16.240
<v Speaker 1>an office setting where there's limitless, lossless copying and sharing

0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:19.560
<v Speaker 1>of documents, because you can share this document with everybody,

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 1>so why not do it? But it will take people

0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:25.000
<v Speaker 1>time of looking at that document to figure out that

0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:27.320
<v Speaker 1>it's not actually useful to them and get back to

0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is they needed to be doing. And then

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:32.080
<v Speaker 1>imagine maybe this happens dozens or hundreds of times a

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:35.080
<v Speaker 1>day for all of your employees, right right, Yeah, here

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:38.960
<v Speaker 1>it comes. It's a company wide email, Welcome Dale, and

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:43.240
<v Speaker 1>and then lo and behold. Sometimes it feels like hundreds

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.000
<v Speaker 1>of people do welcome Dale and go ahead and see

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:50.359
<v Speaker 1>see the entire company on their welcoming of Dale. Well,

0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean in a way that's nice, but yeah, I

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:56.480
<v Speaker 1>mean kudos to Dale. He's a hard I mean welcoming

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:58.759
<v Speaker 1>people is nice, but I guess there probably are more

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:02.719
<v Speaker 1>and less tie and uh labor effective ways to do that.

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:06.880
<v Speaker 1>But then again, on the other hand, creating documents, duplicating documents,

0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and getting to the people that need them. This has

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 1>also led to the you know, it's a frequent almost

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:14.680
<v Speaker 1>a meme at this point, this meeting could have been

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:19.440
<v Speaker 1>an email, you know where Oftentimes it is easier to

0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 1>just create the document than to get everybody to even

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:28.600
<v Speaker 1>virtually a symbol for some sort of a meeting that

0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:31.640
<v Speaker 1>is about the dissemination of information. I mean, I feel

0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:33.399
<v Speaker 1>like the solution for a lot of the things we've

0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 1>been talking about is to keep a more human centric

0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:41.520
<v Speaker 1>mindset when creating and sharing documents, Like remember that a

0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 1>document is a bid for somebody's time and attention, which

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 1>is valuable, and so like, if you're going to make

0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:49.680
<v Speaker 1>that document and you're going to share it with them,

0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:53.120
<v Speaker 1>it's worth having a personal ethos, and if you're a

0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:56.600
<v Speaker 1>company or something, having a company ethos of saying like,

0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 1>is this actually the best use of the time of

0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the people I'm going to be sharing this with and

0:50:02.600 --> 0:50:05.399
<v Speaker 1>being conscious of the fact that every time somebody gets

0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:08.200
<v Speaker 1>another document shared with them, especially in a you know,

0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:13.319
<v Speaker 1>high high information traffic environment, you are necessarily making their

0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:17.200
<v Speaker 1>day a little more confusing, so you know, uh, it

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:19.800
<v Speaker 1>should at least have some information that is relevant or

0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:24.480
<v Speaker 1>helpful to them, right, Okay, well we've we've come a

0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:27.440
<v Speaker 1>long way. We you know, we we we live in

0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 1>this age now of hyper document duplication. But on on

0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 1>on another level, I mean, we are the human duplicators. Like,

0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 1>duplication of information has been a part of human civilization

0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:43.320
<v Speaker 1>for a very long time. So I think it's a

0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:48.799
<v Speaker 1>worthwhile experience, uh, and um an exercise to go through,

0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:52.440
<v Speaker 1>at least in very broad strokes, the history of document

0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:55.399
<v Speaker 1>duplication here. Uh, if you'd like to learn more about

0:50:55.520 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 1>related topics, Yeah, we've covered writing books, various various other

0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:05.920
<v Speaker 1>related topics on Stuff to Blow Your Mind in the past.

0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:08.600
<v Speaker 1>You can find those episodes in this Stuff to Blow

0:51:08.640 --> 0:51:11.560
<v Speaker 1>your Mind podcast feed. We have core episodes of our

0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:15.040
<v Speaker 1>show that publish on Tuesdays and Thursdays. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>do a short form artifact or monster fact episode, and

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday's we do Weird How Cinema. That's our time

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<v Speaker 1>to set aside most of the science and technology and

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<v Speaker 1>philosophy and history and just talk about a weird motion picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge thanks as always to our excellent audio producer Seth

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