1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fitness Disrupted, a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: I am Tom Holland, and this is Fitness Disrupted. I 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: did a podcast a while back about how my workouts 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: have changed after age fifty and still to say fifty 5 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 1: and I'm fifty three now, I feel like mentally i'm eighteen, 6 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, physically much younger. But I'm loving I'm loving 7 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: being this age as well, loving it the wisdom and 8 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: the experience and all the work I put in. It's 9 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: all good. Age is truly a number. But that show 10 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: I did super popular. You guys like that, you know. 11 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: I think that's a big part of this demo. You 12 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: are some of the smartest listeners I've ever had, and 13 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: I know that because you reach out with questions and 14 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: comments and I appreciate it all. But I've talked about 15 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: exercise and nutrition issues for men and women later in life, 16 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: common question, you know, And so I said, you know, 17 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: I gotta do a specific show, and I need a 18 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: guest to help me with this. I've talked about it. 19 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: I've trained thousands of women over the years, back when 20 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: I was a trainer and teaching class and holding camps, 21 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: and the books and the lectures and all that stuff. 22 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: But it is always great to have a really good expert, 23 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: someone who's been in the trenches, as they say, and 24 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: walk the walk, discuss this and have that perspective, the 25 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: female perspective. So that's what today shows about. So excited 26 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: And I have known this person, haven't spoken with this 27 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: person a while, Gonna give the insight. We have a 28 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: connection that actually did a podcast about it. We'll bring 29 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: that up with her. So we go ways back. But 30 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: I've been watching her on Instagram and she is now 31 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: an online trainers, does a bunch of stuff. I'll let 32 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: her tell you that as well, and I'll read you 33 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: here by it in a second. But just the best 34 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: approach common sense has put it into practice is living proof. 35 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: Has the credentials, has the experience. And I said, it's time, 36 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: it's time to have her on and do this show 37 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: talking about women and nutrition and exercise after forty. What's 38 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: the difference, what are the mistakes? And she will help 39 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: you if you are a woman, if you are over forty. 40 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: But let me say this, so much of what we're 41 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: going to talk about applies to everyone. There are differences 42 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: and different challenges, and you know, physiological changes, psychological change. 43 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: We can talk about all that, but a lot of 44 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: its common sense and a lot of it applies to everyone, 45 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: and what she will tell you works people. It works. 46 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna dispel all those myths. You're gonna 47 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: hear it again. You're gonna hear it again in a 48 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: different way from a different person. But that is a 49 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: huge part of this show, is you hearing it over 50 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: and over from so many different people and perspectives where 51 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: you finally go, oh, maybe maybe that's right, Maybe I 52 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: should try that, because that's what works. All right? So 53 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: who is this person? Jennifer Kersch all right? She has 54 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: been a personal trainer and coach for over twenty five years. 55 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: We have we have some similar longevity and time spent 56 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: in this industry. She's now an online fitness and nutrition 57 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: coach specializing in yes women over forty. She specializes in 58 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: helping women and men, but women especially make meaningful changes 59 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: to their bodies, especially in midlife. She believes, I love this. 60 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: It's never too late to become a better version of yourself. 61 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: It's never too late. She's the creator of the Straight 62 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: Up Strength System and Nourished You Academy. I will give 63 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: her chance to tell how to connect to her. So 64 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: for those of you who want to connect, what a 65 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: crazy world we live in, you can literally work out 66 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: with her regardless of where you are in the world. 67 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: All right. She has a bunch of credentials, or I 68 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: wouldn't have her on people. She has been certified by 69 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: the American Council on Exercise in numerous different areas personal trainer, 70 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: health coach, exercise fitness, nutrition specialist. She's a Precision Nutrition 71 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: Level one coach. She's done the two hundred hour Yoga certification. 72 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: She's spinning certified, Stages indoor cycling certified, tr or X certified. 73 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: And I love that many different specialties because clients have 74 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: many different likes and dislikes, as do trainers themselves, right, 75 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 1: but so many different perspectives on the cardio, on the strength, 76 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 1: on the flexibility and core strength and all of that stuff. 77 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: So very excited to bring her to you. Enough when 78 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: we come back from the break, Jennifer Kersch, We'll be 79 00:05:49,680 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: right back, and we are back. I say it every 80 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: time I have a guest on because I only bring 81 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: you the best, and I bring you guests from all 82 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: different worlds. And Jen Kirch is just one of the 83 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: best when it comes to women over forties. So Jen, 84 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much. I can't believe we're having this 85 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: conversation because you and I are close to the same age, 86 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: But like, is it weird because you're now are you 87 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: over fifty? I think you are right, like yeah and 88 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: a half. Actually do we get back to that after age, 89 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: like fifty we start going to the halves again, just 90 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: for like when we and you know, trying to think 91 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: about it too much, but you know, but you know 92 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: what I said, it I love and we'll talk about this. 93 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: Like you and I have been in the industry for 94 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: a really long time. I read your bio at the start. 95 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: You know, you're over twenty five years, which is, by 96 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: the way, a huge accomplishment in this crazy industry. Right 97 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: it's um, you've seen it all. We started at the 98 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: same time. I'm you know, there was the internet was 99 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: just starting all of that crazy stuff. Um, so congrats 100 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: and like, yeah, as I said in the intro, I 101 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: was reading your Instagram for a while and I said, 102 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: I gotta have her on, but let me let me 103 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: back check a little bit. I'm gonna be all over 104 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: the place, so I said the intro that like, we 105 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: have a connection. So many years ago you helped me out. 106 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: I started a fitness clothing line and I did a 107 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: podcast jen that where I said, this is my one 108 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: fitness mistake, and I qualified it because I don't believe 109 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: in any mistakes. It's all part of the journey. But 110 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: what I said was, here's something I started within the 111 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: fitness world that I realized I couldn't do half half, 112 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: you know, half of the time, a quarter of the time. 113 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: It had to be all in. So I cut bait 114 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: and moved on and learned the lesson. And so I'm 115 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: glad I did it. But you were you were a 116 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: model you have and I don't think we've spoken since then, 117 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: but you're close. You're a couple of towns away, and 118 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: I've watched you teach and now you know, pivot to 119 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: the online stuff and you're still doing all of that. 120 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, so we have that action and now you're 121 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: doing like a crazy amount of online stuff, right. Yeah. 122 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: Actually I really pivoted hard March. I honestly didn't really 123 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: give it too much thought. I just went all in. 124 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: I was pretty comfortable with trading folks online because I 125 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: had had a couple of clients that you're already doing 126 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: like face time sessions when they would travel. So it 127 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: didn't it didn't. Um. I didn't really think about it 128 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: too much. I just dove in and um, you know, 129 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: as it progressed, I just I had wanted to get 130 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: into the online space. So that was if there was 131 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: anything good to come out of that time period, it 132 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: was that for me and I just really I just 133 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: went in both feet first and just figuring it out 134 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: as I go along. And it's really working out very 135 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: well for me. And I said in the intro as well, 136 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: Chan that they're there. There are no more yearbots. They're 137 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: all gone. Right, So when you and I started this industry, 138 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: you know, people could go yeah, but you know, um, 139 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of money. Yeah, but I 140 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of time. Yeah, but I don't 141 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: have access to a gym. Yeah, but now they're all gone. 142 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: And I said in the intro, like, you can work 143 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: with Jen, and you should work with Jen if this 144 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: is one of your goals, Like, no matter where you 145 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: are in the world, it's just crazy fitness technology. I mean, 146 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: you and I have watched that progression in the most 147 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: incredible way. Right. I mean, it's amazing. So I gotta 148 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: start with this question, and it's it's gonna lead to 149 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: every other question after after, after twenty five years, Jen, 150 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: don't you feel like you're a little nuts with this industry? 151 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: In other words, like you just want people to get 152 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: it right, Like you're like, we're gonna go through all 153 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: the myths and all this stuff. But it's like it's 154 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: so much it's it's challenging to figure out what you 155 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: want to do and what you like. But people are 156 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: struggling for the wrong reasons. Yeah, I mean I think, 157 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: you know, I just think that a lot of people 158 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: really want they want something instant. They want to know 159 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: that they're on the right track, especially when they get 160 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: to a point where they're ready to make change. They 161 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: make the you know, they they've made the decision to 162 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: actually make change, and then it seems to me that 163 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: they want it like very quickly, and and I think 164 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: sometimes that they're you know, their wisdom gets a little clouded, 165 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: not really all their fault because there's just so much 166 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: information out there. But I also always when I work 167 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: with people, I always think the beginner's mindset because what 168 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: maybe you and I know, because we've been doing it 169 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: for so long, we know it in our bones, and 170 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: not everybody knows that, and it's okay. Like I was 171 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: doing my taxes last week and I thought, oh my gosh, 172 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: I would have made the worst accountants, Whereas you know 173 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: a friends that accounts and they're like, what, it's not 174 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: so hard, you know. So I always try to appreciate 175 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: that when it comes to fitness and nutrition with my clients, 176 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: is that you know, they don't know everything, and that's okay. 177 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: You know, that's okay. But I try to simplifie for 178 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: folks and and clear the noise, so to speak, so 179 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: that they can really focus on what's important and what 180 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: works and not get so distracted by the other things, 181 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: as sexy as they may be. And see, that's such 182 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: a great point, Jen, is that with the good comes 183 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: to bad, right. So in other words, what you're alluding 184 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: to is that there's so much information out there and 185 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: there's so much bad information. I say that when I 186 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: started this podcast, I was like, and I love that 187 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: you called it noise, because it is noise, and so 188 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, even though people have access to you, there's 189 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: the shiny other stuff. And as you said, the promises 190 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: of the quick fixes and stuff like that. So in 191 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: in in one sense, it's harder than ever before to 192 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: get in shape because you have to make sense of 193 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: all that noise. Yeah, I mean, and you and I 194 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: could both speak to this. I mean, you could do 195 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: the same workout you did in still get a result 196 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: in two. It's just we we there is so much 197 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: to to pay attention to, to distract. And I think 198 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: you know, anybody who has been who has made fitness 199 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: a sort of a lifestyle for any amount of time, 200 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: probably with would be able to understand what I'm saying 201 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: with that is that, Yeah, of course you have to 202 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: change it. You need to progressively overlooked, uss with and 203 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: all that stuff. But the fact is you don't have 204 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: to veer off to these extremes to get the results. 205 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: And um, I think it's you know, we have to. 206 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: It's it's a marketing machine. It's what seventy billion dollar 207 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: industry and and you know we have they have to 208 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: keep freshening it up. I you know, sometimes I feel like, 209 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: oh gosh, am I just boring making it sexy enough? 210 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: You know, I try to u incorporate other other skills 211 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: to keep people interested. And keep them reaching their goals. 212 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: But I do think things changed too as you get 213 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: later in life and different issues to begin to come 214 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: up that that maybe weren't there present when you were 215 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: in your twentiesties. And I think that's a huge challenge 216 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: to Jen, is what you just said about, you know, 217 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: making it sexy and is this boring? And I have 218 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: so many people say to me, like, your workouts are boring, Tom, 219 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: and I go, I get it. I mix them up 220 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: like what I do, but like boring works. That's the problem, Jen. 221 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying we have to be bored, but 222 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: it's the simple stuff. And I know that you agree 223 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: with this, and I have some quotes I'm gonna pull 224 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: that I did pull from your I g about this 225 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: type of stuff. But but that's part of the problem, 226 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: right is people are looking I watched a guy looking 227 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: to Instagram for craziness. I watched a guy yesterday hold 228 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: a forty five pound or hold a barbelt with plates 229 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: on either end. They're probably not forty five and do 230 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: a flip hold the barbe like like I had to 231 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: watch it a couple of times. Well right, right, first 232 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: you go why why exactly? Um? But because that's what 233 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: what's getting the eyeballs. I mean, it's just crazy. So 234 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: there is like this unfortunate need for you, as someone 235 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: who is online to compete with the crazy stuff, right, 236 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: to constantly try to make it sextual when it's still 237 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: kind of the continuation of the basics that we're so 238 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: you have to kind of tread those waters, which are 239 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: it's difficult for sure, and I just want to I 240 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: want to dove tail off that. So just a quick 241 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: side note. So several years ago, pre pre covid, I 242 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,239 Speaker 1: started posting on Instagram as a means to share workouts 243 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: with my current clients when we would have like snow 244 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: days and things like that. I never had any intent 245 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: of being like an instagramm or and I'm like, oh, 246 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, I mean my in my old posts are 247 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: so funny because it's literally like a screenshot of the 248 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: notes on myself. But um, and beginning, you know, it 249 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: was more about what I was showing a lot of 250 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: just exercise related context. That was it. That was what 251 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: I was comfortable showing of myself. So I would demonstrate 252 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: some different moves and I would be creative with it, 253 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: with its safe of course. But then I started to think, 254 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, but that's not my clientele. Most of my 255 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: clients tell the people that I work with daily aren't 256 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: doing stuff like that. They're still working on basic kettle 257 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: bell swings and a pull up and push up and 258 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: stuff that's not sexy. So I really started to beer 259 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: off of that and say, you know what, I'm going 260 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: to show more realistic stuff that people actually can do, 261 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: not the stuff that is like a circus act. I mean, 262 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: I was never doing a flip over a bar, but 263 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So yeah, I mean stuff 264 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: in the TRX that maybe is a little bit more 265 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: advanced for the average exerciser. And so what I didn't 266 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: want to do is scare people away by saying this 267 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: is what you have to do to be in shape, 268 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: because it's just not true. Doing those things can be 269 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: fun if you have a base level of efficiency of 270 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: your built right how to come first? That has to 271 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: come first. So exactly, people don't know how to do 272 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: a squat right, people don't know how to do push 273 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: ups right. You know the number of pulses I call 274 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: them pulses. I'm like, oh my gosh, stop going for 275 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: fifth year? Right? Do ten? And you brought up. I 276 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: remember when my wife, who's not a fitness person, said 277 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: she was going to take a TRX class, And this 278 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: is like right when it came out, like years and 279 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: years ago, and I was like, oh my gosh, she's 280 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: gonna die for for a number of reasons. It seems simple, 281 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: but it's not. The instructor is going to teach to 282 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: the strongest person in the room generally, and you have 283 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: to know how to position your body like TRX. As 284 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: simple as it seems like it is, it's super challenging 285 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: and you kind of have to know what you're doing 286 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: and you need someone like you to walk you through it. 287 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: So it's such a great point that, um, you know, 288 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: there's so much nuance that that people aren't aware of. 289 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: So let me get right to it because I know 290 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: people are gonna scream at me in uh in the 291 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: messages just about like just let her talk. So you 292 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: have so many good points on your Instagram top let's 293 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: just of them what they want to start off at least, 294 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: top weight loss mistakes, um, talk about diets, talk about 295 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Top top mistakes you see. Um, well, 296 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, we just full disclosure. I work mostly with 297 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: women over forty. I do work with men as well, 298 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: but mostly women over forty. And back to what I 299 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: was saying before, so many times when we when women 300 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: reach a point where they're like, Okay, I'm ready. I'm 301 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: ready to change my life. Right, I'm ready to change 302 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: my body, and they want to do it all really quickly, 303 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: and they get a little bit overwhelmed and they want 304 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: to do all the things, so they will try things 305 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: like internet fasting because they've read a sound bite on it. 306 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, just don't eat for twelve hours, sixteen hours, 307 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: and so they start with that, or there you don't 308 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: eat enough, or they try to add too much, too 309 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: much exercise, and especially in women over it's that can 310 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: really have diminishing returns because you're just adding exercise. Great 311 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: as it is, is a stressor. It's a stressor, and 312 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: as you get older, your body just simply needs more 313 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: time to recover. So I I see those those mistakes, 314 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: and I really encourage people to look at it as 315 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: a long game. Even even if you're starting in your fifties. 316 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: You know, if you want to do this to have 317 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: a healthy sixties, seventies, and eighties, you have to really 318 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: commit to it. Being a lifestyle, and that's not something 319 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: that's going to happen in six, eight, nine, twelve weeks. 320 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: That's going to be something that happens a little bit 321 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: over time. Just like any any any new habit that 322 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: you're trying to build, you're you're gonna have a better 323 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: chance of making that part of your repertoire if you 324 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: go a little slower and get those winds under your 325 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: belt before you try, you know, more higher level things. So, um, 326 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: that that is I'm just thinking. You know, currently, I've 327 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: worked with some women who I can always tell when 328 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: people come to me with sort of this sense of 329 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: desperation and they want to make the changes, and I 330 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: already know. I'm like I have to talk them down, 331 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: like we got to slow down. Is going to take 332 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,239 Speaker 1: it one one step at a time. Um. But you know, 333 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: being in this industry for a long time, you start 334 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: to you do start to those personalities for sure. And 335 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 1: you know a lot of what I do because I 336 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,959 Speaker 1: am working one on one with folks, I can I 337 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: can see that and you know, we could speak to 338 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: the psychology of what's going on there as well. Right, 339 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: I do think I I do really like to work 340 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: with people at that level. So you know what some 341 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: one one person's mistake. Maybe, So let's take the intermitt 342 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: fast thing thing. We were joking about that earlier. There 343 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: are people that I work with that are They are 344 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: very knowledgeable, they read a lot. So for that person, 345 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: I think I've made an example about this on my stories. 346 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm like trying to do intermittent fast thing as the 347 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: first little level strategy is like time to take ap 348 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: Spanish as an eighth grader. You know, you've got to 349 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: learn how to eat before you start learning how to fast. 350 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: So many people don't know how to eat period, so 351 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: but you know, we choke, but because we were, I'd argue, 352 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: like again, I'm dying that these people are are depriving 353 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: themselves and struggling. And as you said, starting off that way, 354 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: I will throw one of my brothers under the bus 355 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: all the time with this kind of stuff because I 356 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: got five and so you won't know who it is, 357 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: but you know he is the king of this stuff, 358 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: like the quick thing, and so he you know, will 359 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: do the intermittent fasting, but then he eats garbage after that. 360 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: And as you said, and this is my thing too, 361 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: you can't start we can get into science quickly, but 362 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: like you have to learn to eat first. You said it. 363 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: I love that you said it. Right, If you're eating healthy, 364 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: then we can talk about like gaps of time and 365 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: you know what it does to your cells. And I 366 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: think this is where I actually responded to you on Instagram. 367 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: You were talking about this, and I said, most people 368 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: aren't doing it for the autophagic you know effects they're not. 369 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: They're not doing it because they're cells or so you 370 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta start, as you're saying, you know, thinking 371 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna take time. I'm gonna do it right this time. 372 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm not going to torture myself um with these with 373 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: these fat diets. I think sometimes I don't know if 374 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 1: part of this. I do think it's our culture, the quick, 375 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: fixed culture. But it's almost as if we feel as 376 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: though we need things to be difficult in order for 377 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: them to actually make a difference, to be effective. And 378 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: I would argue otherwise, you know, I would argue otherwise, 379 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: like get some I always say this, get some wins 380 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: under your belt with the easy stuff first, and then 381 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: you can start to challenge and whether we're talking exercise 382 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: or changing the nutrition habits, try to walk before you run. 383 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: You know, you didn't get to do you know, multiple 384 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: iron men by going out and running a marathon from 385 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: day one, right. It took years and years and years 386 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: of training to get to that point. And I think 387 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to changing our fitness regimen or the 388 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: way that we feed ourselves, it's the same analogy. You 389 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: have to start slow. I have to start slow and 390 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: get it to be so that it's almost automated and 391 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: feel easy, and then you can start to add more complexity, 392 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: more challenge, whatever that looks like to you. I'm not 393 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe that your diets should be 394 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: a challenge. I don't think it should be automated in easy. 395 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: But I do think back to when you asked me 396 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: about what mistakes people are making. I think, like with women, 397 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: the whole i'm diet, I should just say I'm I'm 398 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: diet agnostic. I don't necessarily feel like there's one best diet. 399 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: But what I will say is this, women in my 400 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: age group vastly underneath protein, and I think in some 401 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: ways they're afraid of it. It's just as they are 402 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: afraid sometimes of strength training. There's a lot of old 403 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: messaging in there that they're hanging onto. And to them, 404 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, strange training means CrossFit means bodybuilding. No, 405 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: um thinking the protein like, oh, plant based is better, 406 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: And I would argue, I'm like, you could still eat 407 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: a lot of plants. Yeah, and all that protein if 408 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: it's animal protein, I know it's you know, that's if 409 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: I could go on a hawk on a whole tangent 410 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: with that. But I do see that as a common 411 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: thing that is that comes up. Oh yeah, And I 412 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: will just say this like really quickly. I think it's 413 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: just easier to get your protein requirements and if you 414 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: do eat animal protein bigs, fish, meat, chicken, whatever, yeah, 415 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: and not try to you know, I I don't I 416 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: put this way. I have had clients that will vegan 417 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: before insisted on being vegan. I'm like, I don't know 418 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: that I'm an interesting coach for you, because that is 419 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: that is a lot harder to do in a healthful way. Yeah, 420 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: to each throne. And I love that you said, um diagnostic. 421 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: Did you have you read Diet Cults by Matt Fitzgerald? 422 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: Yet it's on the list of the many wellness books 423 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: I try to make it no no, no, like move 424 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: that to the top. That's one of the terms he uses. 425 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: One of these single gen smartest guys I've ever met 426 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: in this business. I mean, he goes through all the 427 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: diets and say and starts off by saying, just the 428 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: fact that there's so many should tell you something right away, 429 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: right um. And he just goes through the science and says, 430 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: it's more about belonging to something than it is eating. Hell, 431 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: I mean, just so smart everything you just said. And 432 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: then he expands up a most points. And so I 433 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: would agree, because a good cocktail party conversation, right, you go, oh, 434 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: I'm doing internet investing and it's a name thing, or 435 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: oh I'm doing key too, it's the best thing ever. 436 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: You mean, you hear you're around and I know you're 437 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: in the business, and I get this to people will 438 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: ask me, stop me in the grocery struggle, Well, what 439 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: do you think, jen? I have the opposite experience. When 440 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: I'm in the grocery store. People run away from me, 441 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: the women with their cards like they're like, oh my god, 442 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: I don't want him to see what I have in 443 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: the cart. I'm not kidding, Like, no, I get that, 444 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: don't look in my car, like, don't get in my car. Yeah, 445 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: well they they say it's for my kids. They'll say 446 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: it's for their kids, and I go, this is for me. 447 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: The ice creams for me, and I'm not sharing all 448 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: right again, people are gonna get people want to. I 449 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: love this because it's so great to have you on 450 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: and have this perspective, you know, from from again, I 451 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: said in the intro. Someone who's been in this industry 452 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: for as long as you have, someone who has walked 453 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: the walk and run the run, and you've had the issues. 454 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: I know you had hip issues right and things like 455 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: that thanks to Instagram. So we all have obstacles. But 456 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: what you're saying is people need to find their their way, right, So, 457 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: in other words, find what foods work for you. It 458 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a struggle, right, It's a challenge 459 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: at the start to figure out what you like and 460 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: learn about carbs and protein. As you're saying, But if 461 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to suck, it shouldn't suck. Right. It 462 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: doesn't for you, and it doesn't for me, and it 463 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: doesn't have to for anyone. When you figure out what 464 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: you like. On that note, if you make it suck, 465 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: you're less likely to stick with it. Right, So, whether 466 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: that's the dietary practice or a mode of of exercise, 467 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: you have to find some level of enjoyment. I always think, 468 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: you know, I think I have encountered people to be 469 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: fair working in a fitness studio for the past twenty 470 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: five years. Most of the people that are coming to 471 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: me actually do enjoy exercise. That's taught group fitness for 472 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: a really long time. I've been a personal trainer for 473 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: over twenty five years, so the majority of the people 474 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: in my classes really enjoyed fitness. However, a lot of 475 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: my clients did not enjoy exercise, which I was thought 476 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: was interesting, and I think that they felt put it 477 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: this way, they they knew that in order to be 478 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: successful they had to hire a professional to keep them accountable. 479 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: But it's, you know, I worked really hard to make 480 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: it as enjoyable as possible, whether it's um, you know, 481 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: making it fun, um intense enough to be productive accessible. 482 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: I really have worked hard to to be that kind 483 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: of trainer. But you know, there are some people that 484 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: still really don't like to move their bodies. Personally, I 485 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: try to understand, like, if it is somebody with a 486 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: significant weight issue, I would I completely understand that's probably 487 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: not comfortable to be in that body that just you know, 488 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: is a lot to move around. Might be sensitive way 489 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: I say that, you know, but I think that I 490 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: can totally understand that. Um I have always been a mover. 491 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: I've been a mover since I was a kid, and 492 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: it's looked different every five years. Really, if I look 493 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: back at my life, UM, I would not have qualified 494 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: myself as an athlete, per se. I didn't play a 495 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: team sport in high school. Um, but I was really active. 496 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 1: I was big into running and my bike and hiking 497 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: and swim and all that stuff. UM So I like, 498 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: I like to move, and I find different ways of moving. 499 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: But to your point, talk about stepbacks and and especially 500 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: as you get into your fifties, because so many people 501 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: are dealing with injuries. I always call it my clients that, 502 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: you know, the island of misfit toys, because we started 503 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: every session with like, Okay, how's your body feeling. It's like, oh, well, 504 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: my neck is this and my ankle is that, and 505 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: we just you know, we work around it. We work 506 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: around it. I've been doing long enough that I can 507 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: I could change their workout on the fly and work 508 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: around what is and not worry so much about what 509 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: the plan was, because I am I was listening to 510 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: one of your podcasts I think it was from last 511 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: year about things too, how you've changed your workouts over 512 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: fifty and I will say, I do that. I trained 513 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: myself this way and I'm training my clients this way 514 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: now too. I'm very I approach it in the moment. 515 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: The plan is not even a plan. The plan is 516 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: to be in the moment and be intuitive about what 517 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: your body needs on that day. So yes, somebody might 518 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: be coming to me and they want to do a 519 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: hit workout, but I'm like, yeah, you know, you didn't 520 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: sleep last night and we need to stretch and do 521 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: some mobility and let's work on that. So I think 522 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: that when you give yourself permission to deviate from the 523 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: plan and and meet yourself where you're at on any 524 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: given day, that that's why I think that's really powerful. 525 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: It has been for me. That's so true. And I 526 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,959 Speaker 1: love these interviews always go I have notes and they 527 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: just go in different directions and and that's that's why 528 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: I say, Jen, and I'm sure you agree you need 529 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: your exercise arsenal. So when people always ask us what's 530 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: the best, and you know, I'm sure you've gotten that 531 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: for twenty five years as well, and you go, it's 532 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: all good. And to your point, like if you have 533 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: twenty minutes and no equipment, that's when you go online 534 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: and you do one of your you know, body weight 535 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: only workouts, right, if you have an hour and you're 536 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, with your then you go for a walk. 537 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: But there it's kind of making the workout based on 538 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: your mood and your time, and then within the week 539 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: you go, okay, I want a certain number of strength 540 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: basically some cardiosums, all the five components. But to your point, 541 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 1: you can't be regimented. And that's what's so isn't it 542 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: bizarre when you have clients. I mean, I'm not doing 543 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: the training anymore. But when you would say to your clients, 544 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: we're not going to be that strict, and they're like 545 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: shocked right there, like wait a minute, no, no, no, 546 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm paying you to tell me exactly, like to really 547 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: beat me up. And you're like, no, no, no, there 548 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: will be times when we don't do that. Yeah, and 549 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: I still do you know, I still have It was 550 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: funny now that i'm you know, my husband and I 551 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: are working from home and we're I'm away right now, 552 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: we're working remotely. And he was listening to me train 553 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: to Colant the other day. I said, you know, you 554 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: realize that some people actually really like that level of intensity, 555 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: and I it's my job to take them down a 556 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: notch because I know that it has diminishing returns. Like 557 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: if somebody was bringing to sleep, you know, somebody who 558 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: might have some high octane type A types that they're like, yeah, 559 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: I still want you to punish me even though I'm 560 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: sleep I'm getting bio three hours of sleep like I 561 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: I like, no, it's gonna happen. Um, but do your 562 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: put to your point, like I think kind of saying 563 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: the same thing about saying, you know, like be be 564 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: respectful of where your body is that day. But also 565 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: everything has a season. I know for you as an athlete, 566 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, doing them races that you're doing, you're not 567 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: training like that three days a year. It's seasonable. So 568 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: what are we Yeah, what are we doing on the 569 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: off season. We're still staying mobile, but maybe we're working 570 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: on other things. I always joke as a sidebar, I 571 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: used to have a client that was a dermatologist, and 572 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: he was you'll laugh at this. He was always insistent 573 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: on doing bicep curls. A kid do not you just 574 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: always want to do is bicep curls. I understand that. Yeah, 575 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: so I know so. But I'm looking at him and 576 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, actually, that's probably that. That's fine, we could 577 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: do those, but what we really need is to kind 578 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: of you alleviate your chest tightness. Work on your back boxes. 579 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: And I said to him, I said, with all due respect, 580 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: it's like somebody coming to you with a faithful of 581 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: acne and they want botox. I said, that's how I'm 582 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: seeing your need to do bicep girls. I think it's awesome. 583 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: We can still do it, but you've got to trust 584 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: me that I, um, you know, I have my own 585 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: insight as to how I want to approach this. So 586 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, the thirty year old trainer 587 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: and me probably wouldn't have been that um forthcoming and forthcoming, 588 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: and I would have just let the client drive the session. 589 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: But I've been doing this too long anymore, again, like 590 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: totally deviating from all my notes. But that's why, let's 591 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: you know, pat ourselves on the back at this age 592 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: someone put out there recently, Jen It was such a 593 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: great meme. It was something the effect of, you know, 594 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: I don't want a fitness trainer who's twenty. I want 595 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: the fifty year old with a couple of kids who's 596 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: you know, got the help replacement right and got these 597 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: and I'm not listening. You and I both started then, 598 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: you know, young, and we learned along the way. But 599 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: there's a certain amount of experience and education and just 600 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: um time in the business where yeah, you're gonna say 601 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: to this person, Hey, you're paying me for my expertise, right, 602 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: let me do my job. And that doesn't mean it's 603 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: not different every day and yeah, like quiet like that, 604 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: you go, okay, do what I ask for eight of 605 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: the session. Then we'll do your bicub girls at the end. 606 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: But we're gonna you know, focus on and the other things. 607 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: That's as such a great point. Um, let me get 608 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 1: this because I know I'm gonna forget and people are 609 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: gonna yell at me. Um a couple of lines. I 610 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: loved that you said in your Instagram posts and everyone 611 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: tell people right away, Um, what's the Instagram it's Jennifer Kersh. Yes, yeah, 612 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: at Jennifer at Jennifer Kersh Fitness at Jennifer Yeah, okay, 613 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: I are Yeah, that will all be in the notes, 614 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: so people will see that in the post um. So 615 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: go there and check this stuff out. Um so much 616 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: there And I'll say that again at the end. But 617 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: one of your lines, ladies, it's so it's it's time 618 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: to stop being so afraid of lifting weights because heavier 619 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: lifting weights, heavier than your handbag. In my experience that 620 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: the four letter word jen that almost ran me out 621 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: and still to this day is bulk, the fear of birth. 622 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: Like just like so women you know at this age, 623 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: especially how truthfully strength training as a fountain of youth. Yeah, 624 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: I mean you. I I always say to people like, 625 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: look at think about people that you know in your periphery, 626 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: in your neighborhood and your community that are over sixty 627 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: five that are still moving and grooven. Right, You're like, oh, 628 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: look at that, and they're so vibe or whatever. I'm like, 629 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: what are they doing? What are they doing? Well? What 630 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: this is what they're doing. They're moving their bodies. They're 631 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: moving their bodies and they're surrounding themselves with community. Right. 632 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: I don't know that they're getting all worked up about 633 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: putting on bulk. In particular, you know their posture is better, 634 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: especially if they're strength training. UM, So go back to that. 635 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I've listened. I've been battling that whole conversation 636 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: my entire my entire adult training life. Have been a 637 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: certified trainer since I was twenty five years old, and 638 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: I you know, truthfully, I've never personally wanted to get 639 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: into power lifting or CrossFit. That's just not my cup 640 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: of tea. But I love kettlebells and I don't look 641 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: as heavy as I used to because it just doesn't 642 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: feel as good as on my body still, meaning like 643 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: I don't dead lift my body weight anymore. Um, and 644 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. That's how I've modified as I've 645 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: gotten into my fifties. Um, but I don't worry about 646 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: putting a bulk anymore. I just think that that I 647 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: think it connects back. You could probably understand this, you know, 648 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: when you'll say, like, if you really want to make 649 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: a change, you've got to connect to your inner why 650 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: of why you want to do the thing right. There's 651 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: a there's a drive within you. So I think at 652 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: this stage of the fitness game. Whether it's for other 653 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: folks I see it coming up, but also for myself, 654 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: like I want to age. Well, that's it, you know, 655 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: that's Yes, aesthetics are great, but so that that's what 656 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: drives me. So but when you think about, like the 657 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: whole bulk question, I think women get really too caught 658 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: up and like these weights are going to make me heavy. 659 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: Therefore I have to stop at five pounds. Like you 660 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: think about what are you doing. You're pushing a vacuum 661 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: cleaner along or picking up a suitcase or whatever it 662 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: is that you're doing that weighs heavier than that five 663 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: pound weight. What do you think that's going to do 664 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: for you? Really? Right? Right, really, I know I just 665 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: went offut a long tangent there. There's so much there. 666 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: There's so much there, And I think when I guess 667 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Tom, is that when when we tie 668 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: it back into aesthetics only, we really lose the point 669 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: of why you would string train to begin with, not 670 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: just about aesthetics. And that's spoken from someone who's been 671 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: in the industry for twenty years. Are right, and it's 672 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: so true. And listen, I always say three main reasons, right, 673 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: you look better, feel better, live longer. Right, most people soon, Right, 674 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what the reason is. So I used 675 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: to be way more in it from vanity. Now it's 676 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: for my sanity. I use that line all the time. 677 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's for my sanity. So I don't kill 678 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: my children, my teenage, like so many different things. But 679 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: you still get the other two regardless of why you 680 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: start or what your main focus is. Right, So it's 681 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: just the bulk thing. And we could do five hours 682 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: on this because in my experience and in your it's 683 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: interesting to hear you from the female perspective. You know, Um, 684 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: it's it's tougher for you because you're you're dealing with 685 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: the women in a in a different way than I 686 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: am are used to at least. Um, the bulk, it 687 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: just kept it kept, it keeps. It keeps women from 688 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: achieving their best bodies. Right, And and let's just put 689 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: it in perspective as you said, you know, lifting five 690 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: pound weights not gonna make you huge. Uh, the guy 691 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 1: next to you who wants to get huge, who's lifting 692 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: fifty pound weights is not getting huge. Right, So we 693 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: could go into the hormones and so, so don't worry 694 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: about it. You're keeping yourself from, as you said, quality 695 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: of life. Right, do you want to be walking when 696 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: you're eighty nine? We're gonna live to be longer than 697 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: ever before. Exactly? Well, I mean, and to be fair, like, 698 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: it's hard as a as a woman in ruse. It's 699 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: hard enough to put on my book. It's not impossible. 700 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: I gotta state that I get so much pushback, not 701 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: without hr to you all that. Okay, well that might 702 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: be true, but that still doesn't take away the fact 703 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: that resistance training is one of the best things you 704 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: can do for longevity at your health period. And you 705 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: know it is hard enough to put on muscles, you 706 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: need a little bit more. This is what you know 707 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: where women in my age group they do again, they're 708 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: afraid of the weights, but they're also afraid of the protein. Like, listen, 709 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: this is just a fact. You know. This is if 710 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: you keep, if you keep trying to think that the 711 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: little weights are going to do it, and that eating 712 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: a you're going to do it. If you're you're you're 713 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: missing out on a wonderful opportunity to change your body 714 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,919 Speaker 1: composition and your and your overall health and the way 715 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: that you age. Right, now is the time. Now is 716 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: the time right to do it right? And you can 717 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: be You and I live in an area and others 718 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 1: do as well where there's a lot of skinny, unfit people, 719 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, men and women. Um, and so it's about 720 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: being healthy, it's about being injury free. It's about, as 721 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: you said, you know, getting away from the aesthetics and 722 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: going what's your you know, annual physical tell you right, 723 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: so you know the non scale victories. I'm just gonna 724 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: go through a list because you have so much great stuff. Again, 725 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: you got to go to Jennifer curse fitness Instagram account 726 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: to see so much of the stuff in the workouts 727 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: and everything like that. But you say, am I mastering 728 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: the basics? Or am I looking for a distraction? And 729 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: you were talking about I think red cider vinegar or 730 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: something like that. But so, and there's so many things 731 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: we could talk about, but back to the basics, right, So, 732 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, strength training, giving it time. Just give people 733 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: those things you have learned after twenty five years back 734 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 1: to like what they need to focus on, especially after 735 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: forty Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I you know, to be fair, 736 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: like some of those little those tweets and stuff are 737 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: a little pifthy things that kind of come out of 738 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: my mouth when I'm not thinking about them, like, oh, 739 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna write that down because it gets you know, 740 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: it gets people the tension. But generally like the apple 741 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: cider vinegar, you know, that's the whole thing is oh, 742 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, it'll help to lose burned body fat. It's 743 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,720 Speaker 1: a one of those questions I get from my actual 744 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: clients and or d M, So what do you think 745 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: of this? Like listen, you know, I know what goes 746 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: back to the very first thing we talked about, like 747 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: are you willing to focus on the boring basics? They're simple, 748 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: they're simple in theory, but they are not so easy 749 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: for everybody to implement. That's just a fact. And it's 750 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: always been that way. I think, you know, I'm short 751 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: of going off on a big old tangent. One of 752 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: the things that I see it really trips people up. 753 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: I think it's for men and for women. I mean, 754 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: we live busy lives. We live busy lives, and it 755 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: can be hard to make your health a priority. It's 756 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: maybe easier to say, well, I'm gonna do um my 757 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 1: workout at noon whatever, three days a week with my trainer, 758 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: and that's like about all you can handle. But yet 759 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to eating healthy food or eating on 760 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: a regular basis, that kind of falls by the wayside. 761 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: And so getting all of the pieces of the puzzle 762 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: to work together can be I find really really challenging 763 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: for people. You know, and they just say that I 764 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: think talk back to what you were saying before, is 765 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: like they just not even so much of the quick 766 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: fix is that they want, like they always say, I 767 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 1: want a plan to follow, like this is the plan. 768 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 1: The plan is. You need to be able to pivot 769 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: at any time. Yeah, at any time, pivot from the workout, 770 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: pivot from the meal plan, and have confidence in that 771 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: choice that that's not going to derail your efforts if 772 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: you can't have it just line up perfectly right. And 773 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: this is why again it's so great to talk to 774 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: you someone who's been in the business for so long 775 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: and when people and when I first started with one 776 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: of the fitness companies I can sold for many years 777 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: before Peloton, and they said, you know, part of its 778 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: thought leadership, they said, what should we be doing? I said, content? Content? Content. 779 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: People want to be told what to do right, They 780 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: want to and p ninety X and just like I 781 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: was killing it, and I said, people want to follow 782 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: a plan. It could be crazy, and they will what 783 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: people want for the most part, but now they're learning, hey, 784 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: just tell me what to do every day. But to 785 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: your point when we talk about and you talk a 786 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: lot about goal setting and how it shouldn't be in 787 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: all and nothing approach, this is why when you have flexibility, 788 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 1: you have to have structured flexibility, is what you're kind 789 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: of alluding to as well. So in other words, in 790 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: the course of a week, I'm going to do four 791 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: cardio you know workouts, I'm gonna do three strength and 792 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: then within the week you kind of go by, as 793 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, what do you feel like that day? 794 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: What do you have time to do that day? And 795 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: that's where the structured unstructured approach really starts to work, 796 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: right Yeah, And I think that can really only come 797 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: when you've had some experience under your belt. Especially I 798 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: would say say, let's just say, for example, somebody is 799 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: brand like completely brand new to regular strength training, and 800 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: so they might not know that right because all they've 801 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: ever done is right a peloton, right, So then they're like, wait, 802 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: I don't know, I get this a lot. I have 803 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,160 Speaker 1: a have a beginner strength training program that I actually 804 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: started running online and I got really got a lot 805 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: of beginner level women or women who had done it back, 806 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, twenty years ago, but just wanted to get 807 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: back into it, and they wanted a little bit more strong. 808 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: They wanted this structure to your point um, somebody to 809 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: do the work for them, which I did, but there 810 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: were still I could see a little bit of apprehension, 811 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: like and in fear like oh my gosh, I'm like 812 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 1: really sore from this, and and just coaching them through that, like, Okay, 813 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: a little sorence is normal. But we got to ask ourselves, 814 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,720 Speaker 1: like I would say, real rest and reassess, take a beat, 815 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: and really ask yourself, is this you know? Do I 816 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,359 Speaker 1: need a day off? Or am I okay? And I 817 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: think people just they need permission to trust themselves. Are 818 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: always you know, they probably know innately, but they're just 819 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: not sure and they need reassurance that they're on the 820 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: right track or that what they're doing is going to 821 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: get them a result. And I mean that is part 822 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: of what I do as a culture, just kind of 823 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: hold it down for them and say you know it's okay, 824 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: Sure we're gonna be. You need someone who's experienced, you know, 825 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,399 Speaker 1: who has your goals in mind, you know, especially when 826 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: you're over forty, over fifty, and to not get you hurt. 827 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: You know, people want to be told what to do, 828 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: but they wanted from a qualified coach. And I think 829 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: what I'm saying here, and that's why I was so 830 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: excited to have you on to give your perspective on 831 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: all of this. And I want to again, I gotta 832 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: say it every time I have someone on Jen because 833 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: it was the best of the best. I could have 834 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: you on for five hours. I understand why Joe Rogan 835 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: does like four hour podcasts, although I don't ever want 836 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 1: to do that. No, it's funny you say that too. 837 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 1: When you're passionate about something you're you're because all health 838 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: and wellness and fitnesses it is a nuance. So there's 839 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: so many discussions that could be had, right, So it's 840 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: really easy to at least for me to kind of 841 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: go off on tangents about um about this stuff. It's 842 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: because it's what I know, you know, and not only 843 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: it's it is it my career. But I love it. Yeah, 844 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: and I know how much you can help people. And 845 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: that's that's what my career is about. It's what your 846 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: career is about. It's like, you know, people are struggling, 847 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: they're wasting time and money in the most important aspect 848 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 1: of their lives, like living better and living longer. And 849 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: that's why I get so frustrated. So let me just 850 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: hit the points that Now I'll go back to my notes. 851 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: But this is what I love to Janet's is going 852 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: off on the tangents, because that's where the great stuff 853 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 1: UM comes from. I never want to have this scripted, 854 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,359 Speaker 1: but you did say, um, and I love this about 855 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 1: five bullet points. You're talking about motivation, but applies to 856 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: everything basically. You know, after forty what are some of 857 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 1: the things you would focus on? And you say, and 858 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: just give me, like, you know, a couple of sentences 859 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 1: after each one, like what you think about them or 860 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: how to you know, kind of clarify them? You say, 861 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: focus on shorter workouts. They don't all have to be long. 862 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: First of all. First of all, I would say it 863 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: alleviate burnout, right, I think to ask yourself to do 864 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: Let's just say we're talking workouts, we're talking to strength training. 865 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,120 Speaker 1: Asking somebody to strength train for sixty minutes is a lot. 866 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people get really attached to 867 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 1: the idea that in order it goes back to that 868 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: extreme is better and more difficult is better. I disagree. 869 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: I think better is better. I think you can really 870 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 1: knock out three great thirty minute workouts a week and 871 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: get a great result if you are if you're focused 872 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: on your time right you. A lot of people are 873 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: on their phones and they're kind to messing around and 874 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: they're not particularly focused on what they're doing. And that's 875 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: a different story. But I know for me, when I 876 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: about the motivation thing, like people think trainers are always motivated, 877 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: that's not the case. I have just found from myself 878 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: to just start moving and and just and just get 879 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: it done, knock it out, and it's much more enjoyable 880 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: when I lower the when I lower the bar of 881 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: the of the expectation for myself. Um, I can't say 882 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: that would have been where I was twenty years ago, 883 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: but it's most definitely where I am now. And I 884 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: find that my body actually needs a little bit more recovery. 885 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 1: So that's a better that's a better schedule for me 886 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: to to do that totally and so much there it's 887 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: not you know, so much of this industry is all 888 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: or nothing, right, it's on the pendulum, so it's one 889 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: or the No, it's not do both. I do both. 890 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 1: I do some you know, three minute core exercises every day. 891 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: I do you know, three hour bike rides sometimes. But 892 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: it's not an all or nothing proposition. So I love that. Um. 893 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: And by the way, you had a great point to 894 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: you just talking about time. And you know, we often 895 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,879 Speaker 1: say when you said fourteen four two minutes in a day, 896 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, Jim is good. But and I love flipping 897 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: the script because they used to say or they still say, 898 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: Jen Like, you know, one hour at the gym is 899 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: four percent of your day, and you can look at 900 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: that both ways. In other words, you can go to 901 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: the gym. As you were saying in your post, it's 902 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: what you do outside. You're talking about neat activity and 903 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: stuff like that. But our point here to everyone is, 904 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: you know, go to the gym, work out at home. 905 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,839 Speaker 1: It's about movement throughout the day. You want to do 906 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: everything in moderation, right, Um, there's no one way and 907 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,239 Speaker 1: mix it up because it will be more fun. And 908 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 1: you're more likely to do it right. Yeah, I know. 909 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,280 Speaker 1: We just want to add to that too. I have found, 910 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, especially when you come from a background like 911 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,880 Speaker 1: as an endurt I was an endurance athlete, marathon or 912 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 1: century rides, the whole thing, and I don't do any 913 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: of that anymore. And I that was a really interesting 914 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,720 Speaker 1: shift for me to make to be okay with less, 915 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: because when you're a bit of a cardio junkie, um, 916 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to break that because because you 917 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: just kind of think, oh, I got it, you know, more, 918 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: more time on the road, more miles, it's better. But 919 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,720 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not necessarily better, um, not for everyone. 920 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 1: And so but I do see people get caught in 921 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: that trap, and so they're like, oh, if I don't 922 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,320 Speaker 1: have time for my six mile run, then I'm just 923 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 1: gonna work through my lunch hour and keep sitting at 924 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: my desk. You know what, it would be better for 925 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: you to just go take that phone call and walk 926 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: around your house, even if you know, just to get 927 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: the movement in. Just to get the movement in. And 928 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 1: I do think that that's just more of like, um, 929 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: it's more of like a philosophy more than anything. Else, 930 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, like this is I'm just a person who moves. 931 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: That's it. So it doesn't necessarily have to be a 932 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: structured exercise workout session all the time. Yes, we still 933 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,840 Speaker 1: need to be building our muscles and and and strengthening 934 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 1: our heart and all that, but let's let's let good 935 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,280 Speaker 1: enough be good enough sometimes, um especially you know, especially 936 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: as we age. And I don't know, you know, anecdotally, 937 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: like I know for myself, if I sit for more 938 00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: than thirty minutes, my body is supposed to hurt, like 939 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,759 Speaker 1: I need to get up, like I'm bad if I'm 940 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,400 Speaker 1: changing position more often, like not just you know, I 941 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: don't want to be on my feet all day either, 942 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 1: but I want to just be intermittently changing my um, 943 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, my position, whether it's sitting on the floor, 944 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,280 Speaker 1: sitting in a chair, or standing up at a desk. 945 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,879 Speaker 1: So joking aside, I think that's evolutionary. I've talked about that, 946 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: like in other words, I'm getting ready to go to 947 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: Brazil another iron Man, and the flight is what I'm 948 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 1: more worried about. It's the sitting still for fourteen hours 949 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,320 Speaker 1: and coach because I'm too cheap to and it wouldn't 950 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: even matter if I'm upfront, which I've done before too, 951 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,839 Speaker 1: but it's like that's more painful than the race itself, 952 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 1: right is sitting still and and that's but you know what, 953 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: we need to do another show after this, UM, so 954 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 1: we will have you. I will have you back. UM. 955 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 1: But you know what's you touched on, and it's so 956 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,399 Speaker 1: important and my experience in years as well. I'm sure 957 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,879 Speaker 1: you know, the people who are not doing enough think 958 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: they're doing enough, and the people who are doing enough 959 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 1: don't think they're doing enough. And it goes to the moderation. 960 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,080 Speaker 1: And I'm with you, like it's been really hard for 961 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: me at fifty three to pull back, but I now 962 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,399 Speaker 1: do things like instead of going for a ten mile run, 963 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: I'll cook for a five mile run in the morning 964 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: and then I'll do something else. So you know, we'll 965 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 1: finish up with that because people want those takeaways you said. 966 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: You know, recovery is so important, protein is so important 967 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 1: for men and women. So agree strength training, sticking to 968 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,919 Speaker 1: the basics. And then I'm gonna give you, UM, give 969 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,760 Speaker 1: your four more points you outlined, UM, schedule your exercise 970 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 1: by signing up for a class. I'm gonna say, go 971 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,960 Speaker 1: to Jen's site and start there. But take a class 972 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 1: and this is all your secrets to UM having success. 973 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 1: Find accountability partners. You've heard it before, but so few 974 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 1: people do that. Hire a coach. That's Jen people. If 975 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,879 Speaker 1: you're looking for a coach, you want someone who knows 976 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: what they're talking about, is certified, has been around, and 977 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: knows how to tailor the workout to you. That's really important. 978 00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,040 Speaker 1: Jen is a phenomenal option. And then and the is 979 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 1: where were gonna have to have you back connect with 980 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: your hy I mean, that's that's like so important. Um. 981 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,400 Speaker 1: And as you said, for you and I, now it's 982 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,240 Speaker 1: less about the vanity. It's more about you know, being happy, 983 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: feeling good, right, and we forget about that. Yeah, And 984 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: I do think I think that as I look back 985 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 1: and I reflected my life, my my y has definitely changed. Um. 986 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: You you had brought this up before, So I actually 987 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 1: had both of my hips replaced in the past five 988 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,320 Speaker 1: years and that definitely changed the way that I approached 989 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,800 Speaker 1: my fitness routine. I still work out almost every day, 990 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,359 Speaker 1: is at the same level, and my running marathons no, uh, 991 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: just redefining what it meant to move my body and 992 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,399 Speaker 1: be strong. But if I had been you know, got 993 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 1: caught up in we almost went down this road but 994 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,479 Speaker 1: like about what I can't do and then just said, 995 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,399 Speaker 1: you know, forget it, I'm not doing really anything, which 996 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 1: I think happens to a lot of people when they 997 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: get to be our age. They have one injury and 998 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: that's the next thing, you know, they're not moving for 999 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: a couple of years. I think it's really really important 1000 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,879 Speaker 1: to try to find something that you actually just can do. 1001 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,759 Speaker 1: It may look totally different than what you did in 1002 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: your thirties and forties, but and and different, but different 1003 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 1: isn't bad. Different is can be an opportunity for for 1004 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,920 Speaker 1: me personally. It was an opportunity to try other things 1005 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 1: that I wasn't kind of making time for before um 1006 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 1: movement and all that. But also when when you were 1007 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,000 Speaker 1: talking before about the just this I meant to say 1008 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,719 Speaker 1: this earlier, when you were talking about when people get 1009 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 1: to be our age, I remember thinking, as a you know, 1010 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 1: thirty five year old trainer, like, oh, I gotta really 1011 00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 1: challenge these people and do all this now. And I 1012 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,680 Speaker 1: had to admit I was a little apprehensive about still 1013 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,480 Speaker 1: staying in the game in my fifties. And doing this 1014 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,920 Speaker 1: for a living. I'm like, oh, you know, how long 1015 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,800 Speaker 1: am I going to do this professionally? But now this 1016 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: is why I specialized in the group that I specialize in, 1017 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,319 Speaker 1: UM that I'm niched into the over fifty crowd and 1018 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,120 Speaker 1: do have some clients stole in their forties, but because 1019 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: for them, I think that they find that somebody understands 1020 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,919 Speaker 1: what their struggles that they're going through is really powerful. Like, yeah, 1021 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,160 Speaker 1: I've had injuries, I've had surgeries, Like, I get it. 1022 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: I know. I think it's made I think it's made 1023 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,799 Speaker 1: me a much more empathetic trainer. So in that way, 1024 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm grateful that I had that experience, UM just a 1025 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 1: lot more able to meet people, you know, with with 1026 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 1: their injuries and things like that, and to your point, 1027 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,759 Speaker 1: Taylor workouts for them, but also know what it's like 1028 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: to be, you know, be in physical pain and try 1029 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,880 Speaker 1: to work through that and keep showing up through it, 1030 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 1: and then also have the look at doing things maybe differently. 1031 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,279 Speaker 1: So you know, maybe you were a marathon runner and 1032 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 1: you're not doing that anymore, and that's okay, you know 1033 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 1: in your case, so like, Okay, I don't do ten 1034 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: miles at a time. I do five in the morning, 1035 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,839 Speaker 1: five and me after him, like whatever, just being able 1036 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 1: to be willing to redefine what it looks like for 1037 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: you right right, and so grateful to have you on, 1038 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 1: to have that. It's exactly why I want to have 1039 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,719 Speaker 1: you on, is to to talk about it through that 1040 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 1: lens um lens that you have you know, been looking 1041 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,440 Speaker 1: through for for decades. But we we have different perspective 1042 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,600 Speaker 1: and and that is it's so helpful. There's so many 1043 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,239 Speaker 1: people so thank you. I'm gonna leave them with two 1044 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: of your quotes. I think that are perfect to end 1045 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,719 Speaker 1: this all with. You said, the silver lining to this 1046 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 1: whole thing is that you do have some choice in 1047 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,839 Speaker 1: how well you weather this time of life. It's all 1048 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,239 Speaker 1: about consistency and getting curious. Um. One thing Jenn, I 1049 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:21,959 Speaker 1: want people to know, and that's what you just said 1050 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 1: here is is we have control and and too often 1051 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,040 Speaker 1: people think, as you said, you know, I have this injury, 1052 00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: I have this aches and pains, I can't do anything 1053 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,959 Speaker 1: about it, and we're both here to tell you, yeah 1054 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,719 Speaker 1: you can. UM. So Jenn, thank you so much. I'm 1055 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,280 Speaker 1: going to have you back because like I have pages 1056 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,359 Speaker 1: and pages of notes, but but the the tangents are 1057 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 1: what I love because that's where it gets real and 1058 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,480 Speaker 1: we talk about, you know, what people are are wanting 1059 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,080 Speaker 1: to know. So tell people again where they can find you. 1060 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: But you can find me at my website Jennifer Kersh 1061 00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,360 Speaker 1: fitness dot com or on Instagram at Jennifer Kersh Fitness. 1062 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and again it's been great to 1063 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,160 Speaker 1: catch up. I want to do this again, talk more 1064 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,840 Speaker 1: about why, you know, finding your why and all of 1065 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But it's been so great catching up. 1066 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say so much more, but 1067 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna cut it up there, so Jed, have 1068 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 1: a great day. Speak soon and I look forward to 1069 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 1: doing this again. Alright, alright, and we'll be right back 1070 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:29,120 Speaker 1: after this quick break, and we are back to thank 1071 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: Jen Kersch once again for coming on and lending her expertise. 1072 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,839 Speaker 1: It is so great to speak with someone who has 1073 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,839 Speaker 1: been in the industry a really long time, has been 1074 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,040 Speaker 1: in the trenches, as we say, you know, doing doing 1075 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,759 Speaker 1: the hard work of of trying to break through the 1076 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,680 Speaker 1: myths motivate people. It's a tough jobs and I'd argue 1077 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 1: it's tougher for women. The fitness industry in certain regards. 1078 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,600 Speaker 1: I think getting up in front of a class as 1079 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,480 Speaker 1: a woman to teach a group exercise, I think it's 1080 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,480 Speaker 1: harder than than males. I think it's harder the criticism 1081 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,000 Speaker 1: and the critique that I've seen, at least my experience 1082 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 1: has been, so it's it's just invaluable to have someone 1083 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,359 Speaker 1: like her come on and give her perspective. And you know, 1084 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,960 Speaker 1: I wish we had eight hours. I feel like we 1085 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,400 Speaker 1: were just starting to scratch the surface. And even though 1086 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,680 Speaker 1: we go off on those tangents, that's that's part of 1087 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,719 Speaker 1: the show. I don't I don't have it heavily scripted, 1088 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,000 Speaker 1: and I want us to talk about um, what flows naturally, 1089 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,560 Speaker 1: because that's that's the conversation between two people who have 1090 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,839 Speaker 1: had the experiences that we have had. So I hope 1091 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:47,120 Speaker 1: that started to help those who are confused. The women 1092 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:53,239 Speaker 1: forty fifty plus, there's so many of the similarities though, 1093 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,360 Speaker 1: regardless of fear male or female, or what age you 1094 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,960 Speaker 1: are that we talked about. Yes, there's different issues hormone 1095 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: really for women and men. You know, testosterone changes, estrogen changes. Uh, 1096 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:11,360 Speaker 1: there's there's more what loss of muscle men and women, 1097 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,319 Speaker 1: there's the psychological but it's cliche to say, but I 1098 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,120 Speaker 1: have to say it. At the end of the day, 1099 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,080 Speaker 1: it still comes down to the basics. And that's what 1100 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:28,960 Speaker 1: Jen was saying. She's agreeing, it's strength training, it's cardio, 1101 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:34,840 Speaker 1: it's not torturing yourself with diets, it's being consistent. And yeah, 1102 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,439 Speaker 1: what what are the changes over forty You know, when 1103 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 1: we have those hormonal changes and and we're getting those 1104 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,480 Speaker 1: aches and pains, we need longer recovery, we need shorter workouts, 1105 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,880 Speaker 1: we need more variation, we need to be smarter. And 1106 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,080 Speaker 1: as we finished up with, for those of you who 1107 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 1: were super athletic maybe in your youth and maybe trained 1108 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,759 Speaker 1: a lot and trained hard, maybe trained too hard in 1109 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:04,439 Speaker 1: your youth, it's psychologically challenging to pull back. And that's 1110 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: what Jen finished up talking about. But I had to 1111 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,239 Speaker 1: end with her quote, this is gonna say it again. 1112 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,920 Speaker 1: The silver lining to this whole thing is that you 1113 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,200 Speaker 1: do have some choice and how well you weather this 1114 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,879 Speaker 1: time of life. I would change some to a lot, 1115 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:25,879 Speaker 1: not that that's proper grammar. We have control, and Jen 1116 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 1: saying that too, no matter your age, no matter your sex, 1117 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,000 Speaker 1: no matter where you are now, you can better your 1118 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:38,600 Speaker 1: circumstances through what you put in your mouth, how much 1119 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,400 Speaker 1: you move, and your state of mind. And so let's 1120 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,800 Speaker 1: start to control things. Let's start to live our best lives, 1121 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,600 Speaker 1: all right. If you want to reach out, Tom h 1122 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,240 Speaker 1: Fit is Instagram as well as Twitter, Tom h Fit, questions, comments, 1123 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,440 Speaker 1: you can reach out to me through direct message and 1124 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,840 Speaker 1: go to Fitness disrupted dot com as well email me 1125 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,240 Speaker 1: through the site. My most recent book, The Micro Workout Plan, 1126 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 1: is available wherever books are sold. And so if you 1127 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,920 Speaker 1: need a plan, as we talked about, there's a great 1128 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,080 Speaker 1: place to start. Also, as we said, check out Jen's Instagram, 1129 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:21,280 Speaker 1: check out her website, Jennifer Kirsch Fitness. So many ways 1130 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,760 Speaker 1: to achieve your goals people, but you've gotta start with 1131 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,760 Speaker 1: the right information. Stop wasting your time and money, all right, 1132 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,840 Speaker 1: what's all with our best, longest, happiest lives. All right? 1133 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. I am Tom holland this is 1134 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:48,480 Speaker 1: Fitness Disrupted, Believe in yourself. Fitness Disrupted is a production 1135 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,840 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, 1136 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,600 Speaker 1: visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 1137 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,280 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.