1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: Y givable, and I was saying, you could get Elvis 2 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: or anybody else to do a song. 3 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: There's nothing that was my intro song right from the beginning. 4 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: Because as you know, we won three elections, okay, and 5 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: some people want. 6 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: Us to do a fourth. I don't know. We'll have 7 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: to think about that. You saw the new hat, the 8 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: hottest hat is it, says Trump twenty twenty eight. 9 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: We're driving the left crazy when you see that. 10 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: We didn't need that hat, but it was. 11 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: It's been an amazing period of time and when Lee 12 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: green Wood did that song, it went from the first 13 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: day I came out and played it. It was a 14 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: great song, but we didn't know. And then I did 15 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: it second time, a third time. That was nine hundred 16 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: and sixty eight rallies ago. Can you believe that we 17 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: did nine hundred and sixty eight rows? Another has says 18 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: nine sixty eight. I said, what the hell does that mean? 19 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: That's the number of rallies. I said, you have to 20 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: be kidding, David. 21 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: You know, listening to you earlier today and just watching 22 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: that news clip that we showed, and I think it 23 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: was your line yesterday. Maybe that President Trump is more 24 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 3: interested in being a problem solver than a policeman. So 25 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 3: he's met with the former head, with the current head 26 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: of Syria. He has had a splendid for himself forty 27 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: eight hours with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. My 28 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: question to you is, do you think the Democrats and 29 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: people who oppose some of the truly ugly things that 30 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: have happened in this administration thus far, but do you 31 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: think that they continue to underestimate Donald Trump. 32 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 4: That's a great question, Mike. 33 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 5: I think they continue to reflexively ask have made him. 34 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 5: I'm a journalist, you know, I'm not in politics. So 35 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 5: I try to look at each issue on his face. 36 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 5: And when I see somebody doing unconventional things that the 37 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 5: previous president Joe Biden probably wouldn't have, like recognized this 38 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 5: new leader in Syria, or distance the ustern Israel to 39 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 5: try to see if it's possible to get a nuclear 40 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 5: deal with Iran, I think that's interesting. That's different, and 41 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 5: I think people need to look at these issues on 42 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 5: their face without the name Trump attached to it, because 43 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 5: if you say Trump did this, the instant reaction is 44 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 5: it must be a terrible idea. And so you know, 45 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 5: folks like me or journalists need to look at the 46 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 5: issues one by one and decide is that in the 47 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 5: country's interest or not. 48 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 6: This is the primal screen of a dying regime. 49 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 7: Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval in 50 00:03:59,400 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 7: these people. 51 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 6: You've not got a free shot. 52 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 7: All these networks lying about the people, the people have. 53 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 6: Had a belly full of it. I know you don't 54 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 6: like hearing that. I know you've tried to do everything 55 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 6: in the world to stop that, but you're not going 56 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 6: to stop it. It's going to happen. 57 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: And where do people like that go to share the 58 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 4: big line? Mega media? 59 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of. 60 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 4: These people had a conscience. 61 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? 62 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: If that answer is to save my country, this country 63 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: will be saved. 64 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: War Room, use your host, Stephen k. 65 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 7: Back Thursday, fifteen May, in the Year of a Lord 66 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 7: twenty twenty five. We're going to get an update, hopefully 67 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 7: momentarily on the arguments on the birthright citizenship. Tony Lyons 68 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 7: is going to join us later in this hour. He 69 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 7: held a dinner and a reception last night for the 70 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 7: Make America Healthy and Bobby Kennedy all that will totally 71 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 7: up to date on the Make America Healthy again? 72 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 6: What's going on there? Yes, his hell freezing over? 73 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 7: I don't know, but two landmark things today Mike's Allen's 74 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 7: Axios Leads story this morning is about how Trump is 75 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 7: doing things that nobody else could do, and you know, 76 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 7: changing the Middle East. And it was actually laudatory in 77 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 7: depth as I got it up on Ghetter I put 78 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 7: it up. I think at dawn this morning we'll put 79 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 7: Denver will push it out for you, and Grace will 80 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 7: push it out for you. And then the Langley Bugle, 81 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 7: the spokes model for the CIA, David Ignacious praising Donald Trump. 82 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 7: So I think the earth stood still, you know, momentarily 83 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 7: this morning or morning, Joe. But what I want to 84 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 7: do is we'll talk later about what President Trump's accomplishing 85 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 7: is with MBZ. As you know followers of the show, 86 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 7: I think that Mohammed Benzayad is the key member of 87 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 7: not just the Maradis and the golf Emerits and all that, 88 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 7: but in the Middle East. He's to go to a 89 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 7: very straightforward guy, strategic thinker, just incredible, and President Trump 90 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 7: is with him today. Left Cutter yesterday, and a lot 91 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 7: of folks, particularly my discussion with Matt Gets yesterday about Cutter, 92 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 7: won't get more into that. It's nothing to schluff off 93 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 7: look Cutter. As folks know, I'm not a fan of Cutter. 94 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 7: They basically not rolled us, but they played hardball about 95 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 7: signing any terror financing memorandum. They still have so much 96 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 7: to answer for, and I hope that people are vetting this. 97 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 7: The Muslim Brotherhood and the financing of the Muslim Brotherhood 98 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 7: and everything but breaking news. 99 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 6: You know, President Trump's talking about a new clear deal. 100 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 7: He could announce here momentarily, all types of things coming 101 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 7: in the Middle East. 102 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 6: But I want to bring an extraordinary book. 103 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 7: I want to go back to the beginning and why 104 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 7: this is so, why Trump's trip is so important, why 105 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 7: guys like ignacious and Mike Allen's actually is saying, hey, 106 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 7: he's doing things in the Middle East has never been done. 107 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 6: I want to go back to the beginning. 108 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 7: Ed Luch joins us editor and columnists at the Financial 109 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 7: Times of London. Ed you just you've written this book 110 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 7: which is stunning, and I recommend it to people to 111 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 7: put your politics aside if you want to see how 112 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 7: the system works and had kind of worked at the 113 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 7: beginning of the rise of really the National Security Council 114 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 7: in Great power of politics, this new and I think 115 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 7: the only definitive biography on doctor Brazinski is out ed. 116 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 7: I want to go back because one of the court 117 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 7: and we're huge fans of Brazinski over Kissinger. For a 118 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 7: long time, we had a guy Patrick Wood who passed 119 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 7: away a couple of years ago, and he was this 120 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 7: theoretician about this concept called technocracy, and he would always 121 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 7: go back to one of Brazinski's books, I think, written 122 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 7: in the seventies after I think it was right after 123 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 7: he became a National Security advisor, or just right before 124 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 7: you right before right after we talked about the driver 125 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 7: of the future to a technocratic superstate, saying that this 126 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 7: is what the Soviet Union could come to. But the 127 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 7: National Security Council and particularly these two Shakespearean figures a 128 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 7: German Henry Kissinger in a poll zigbu Brazinski walk us back? 129 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 6: Can you take us back? 130 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 7: Because the book is so amazing and it almost reads 131 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 7: like a drama for a huge part of it, in 132 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 7: the interaction of these two people, walk me through like 133 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 7: national Security Council, How to become so important? What was 134 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 7: Kissinger's role, was Brazinski's role? And why did they hate 135 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 7: each other? 136 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 4: Well? 137 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 8: Best, Well, thanks Steve having me on and for being 138 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 8: so enthusiastic about this book. It's really great, z Big. 139 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 8: You know, as most people called him and Kissinger. 140 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 4: Legendary rivals, lifelong rivals. 141 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 8: I mean, and you know we're talking from nineteen thirty 142 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 8: when each of them turned up on North America's shores, 143 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 8: right up till twenty seventeen when Brashinski died. That's a long, 144 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 8: pretty cinematic rivalry. And they sort of reached the peak 145 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 8: that a foreign born strategist can reach in the United States, 146 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 8: which is they were, you know, respectively, for Nixon, Kissinger 147 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 8: was his grand strategist and for Jimmy Carter, Brashinsky was 148 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 8: his grand strategist, and that was to head the National 149 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 8: Security Council. The National Security Council was really a sort 150 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 8: of imperial creation by Harry Truman after the Second World 151 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 8: War nineteen forty seven. He sets up the National Security 152 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 8: Council inside the White House to try and control initially 153 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 8: the CIA, this new but massively growing intelligence bureaucracy. 154 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: But also the sprawling sort. 155 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 8: Of and rapidly growing size of the Army, the a Navy, 156 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 8: the Air Force, these sort of separate services which were 157 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 8: becoming kind of imperial in their size, the Pentagon, and 158 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 8: to have some control over it from the White House. 159 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 8: And so that was that was the initial idea with 160 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 8: the National Security Council. 161 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 4: And it was wasps. 162 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 8: You know, the grandees, uh you know of of of 163 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 8: Wasp of Georgetown, you know of of of Yale, Scull 164 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 8: and Bone Society, et cetera. People who you might in 165 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 8: another context called English, called English American, but because of 166 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 8: the American story that that that hyphenation wasn't used. 167 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 4: Very suspicious of. 168 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 8: These immigrants Kissinger from Germany, Brazinski from Poland. 169 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 4: But they managed these two. 170 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 8: I guess scholar scholar scholar politicians from Harvard from Columbia 171 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 8: to break into politics, and they really did change the 172 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 8: way America managed managed bart affairs and geopolitics. They were hugely, 173 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 8: hugely influential figures and I won't say enemies with each 174 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 8: other Kissinger and Brazinski, but frenemies. I mean they were 175 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 8: deep rivals and they had a very different idea of 176 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 8: how to tackle the Soviet Union during the Cold War, 177 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 8: very different strategies. 178 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 7: That's I want to get to that now. By the way, 179 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 7: under Kennedy was. 180 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 6: Like mac Bundy. This became from an advisory really to 181 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 6: running the deal. That was the change. 182 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 7: And when we got Kissinger and then Brazinski, I mean, 183 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 7: Brazinsky is a more towering figure I think of the 184 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 7: Carter administration than Carter himself. 185 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 6: But go through. 186 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 7: We got a couple of minutes of this block and 187 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 7: want to hold through the next Kissingers and this one 188 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 7: is the Facinity's trap. Is just an update of what 189 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 7: he felt back of the time. Kissinger always believed America 190 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 7: was in decline correct and had to fight a defensive 191 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 7: That's why all his things were kind of cow telling 192 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 7: or trying to work with the Sovie Union. Brazinski had 193 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 7: a very different take on things, did you not. 194 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 8: Sir, a very different take and kise you just saw 195 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 8: the Soviet Union as just it's going to be around forever. 196 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 8: It's a permanent feature of the landscape, and our job 197 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 8: was to accommodate to it. Our job that West America 198 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 8: was to accommodate and find some way of living together, 199 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 8: and that was called detentte French word, you know, meaning relaxation. 200 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 4: Brazinski because he was from Poland and. 201 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 8: Had a very different perspective of He saw it as 202 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 8: a Russian empire, not dressed up in Marxist clothing, but 203 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 8: he saw it as a Russian empire, and he saw 204 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 8: it as run by a lot. 205 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 4: Of very old men. You know. 206 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 8: He called that a gerontocracy. But he had this phrase 207 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 8: reverse natural selection, meaning you only got promoted if you 208 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 8: weren't innovative, if you didn't have any creative ideas, and 209 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 8: therefore it was just kind of collapse under its own weight, 210 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,479 Speaker 8: and we have to find a way. 211 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 4: Of helping it collapse. And that's what he did. 212 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 8: And Reaganism, by the way, was really a continuation of 213 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 8: what Carter, well, what Brigins does, Yes really on twisted 214 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 8: Carter into doing in the last two years. 215 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 7: This is the point, the taking down of the evil, 216 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 7: the taking down of the evil empire. 217 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 6: We win. 218 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 7: Remember the apocryphal story when Richard v Allen was interviewing 219 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 7: and he got stumbled and he said, mister president of 220 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 7: a president, like I've been talking, you haven't. What are 221 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 7: your thoughts? And he said, Dick, we win, they lose. 222 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 7: That was kind of Brazinski. I want to get into 223 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 7: We're going to take a short commercial break here when 224 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 7: we return, and want to get into the whole How 225 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 7: did Jimmy Carter, who kind of ran as his agrarian populist, 226 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 7: anti imperial presidency, anti Nixon, anti really establishment, democratic establishment, 227 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 7: and the American establishment, and was not someone that had 228 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 7: big ideas on foreign policy, how he pick this guy 229 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 7: and how this guy really laid the foundational elements that 230 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 7: then President Trump President Reagan could come in and take. 231 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 6: Down the evil empire. 232 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 7: Johnny CON's going to take us out with American heart 233 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 7: ed loose, is our guest. 234 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 6: This book put your politics aside. 235 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 7: This is a if you want to understand the National 236 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 7: Security Council and. 237 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 6: Really the beginning of what it is. 238 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 7: That President Trump's had to wrestle with. This is the 239 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 7: book to get You will learn a lot about American history, 240 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 7: particularly in the critical decade of the nineteen seventies. 241 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 6: President Trump's in the Middle East, when that came to. 242 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 7: The forefront of American thinking, was the Arab all embargo, 243 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 7: all of it from the nineteen seventies. 244 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 6: Short commercial break and return to the War Room just 245 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:51,119 Speaker 6: a moment. 246 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 8: America War Room here's your host, Stephen K. 247 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 6: Bah The book. The book is is big. 248 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 7: It is Miko Bozinski's father before warn but you can't 249 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 7: put it down. It reads like a Shakespearean drama. So 250 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 7: Edlu's here's the question. In nineteen seventy six, Jimmy Carter's 251 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 7: elected as a agrarian populace anti Richard Nixon. It's all 252 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 7: about you know, Nixon, of course, forge running, but it's 253 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 7: really about Nixon. Ford has embraced the Henry Kissinger American decline. 254 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 7: We have to have Dayton, we have to you know, 255 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 7: have all these nuclear agreements. 256 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 6: We have to have all this. 257 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 7: In nineteen eighty nine, the Berlin Wall falls right my math, 258 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 7: that's twelve years after Carter took office. One of the 259 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 7: foundational elements of President Trump's taking down the Evil Empire 260 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 7: is what when on seventy six to eighty before he arrived. 261 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 7: First off, how did Carter pick a guy like Brazinski? 262 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 7: And how did he, because he was kind of an 263 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 7: anti worldough and Navy nuclear officer, come of an anti 264 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 7: war guy. 265 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 6: How did he have a guy who. 266 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 7: Basically said, we got to get focused on the great 267 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 7: power politics and we have to basically take down the 268 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 7: Soviet Union. 269 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 8: Sir, Yeah, I mean it's a great question, because you can't. 270 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 8: It's hard to think of two more unnaike characters than 271 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 8: Jimmy Carter. This pena farmer, single term governor from Georgia, 272 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 8: and Brazinski, this you know, quite hard nosed, fluent Russian speaking, 273 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 8: fluent Polish speaking as well German speaking, Machiavellian. I mean, 274 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 8: you know, a hard nosed foreign policy figure who was 275 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 8: not from the establishment. 276 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 4: I mean, the Wasps rejected him. 277 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 8: And when Carter appointed Brazinski, everybody, all these sort of 278 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 8: grand figures, some of your some of your viewers and 279 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 8: listeners might recognize, names like Dean Atchison and Avril Harriman 280 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 8: and John McCloy, people like that, all urged Carter not 281 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 8: to appoint him. Carter does appoint him, and because of 282 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 8: the sort of harsh ways of the world, Carter very 283 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 8: slowly comes round to Brazinski's way of thinking, which is, look, 284 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 8: we've got to be we've got to take the fight 285 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 8: back to for American values in America's position in the world. Remember, 286 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 8: the Vietnam War is over. We've got to we've got 287 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 8: to end the pessimism of the Kissinger Nixon Ford era 288 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 8: and make the case that we are actually will leading 289 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 8: the world in technology. 290 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 4: It's not the Soviets, you know. 291 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 8: They they'd launched Sputnik, the satellite in the nineteen fifties, 292 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 8: and it caused a real panic in America that that 293 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 8: we were losing the Cold War, the Soviets were over 294 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 8: overtaking us, and that we therefore had to just find 295 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 8: ways of accommodating ourselves to this massive, rising technological superpower. 296 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 4: And Brashinski just didn't accept that. 297 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 8: And you wrote, Steve, you referred at the beginning to 298 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 8: this book he wrote about the technotronic era. He was 299 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 8: going completely against the grain. He wrote that in nineteen 300 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 8: seventy one he was going up completely against the grain 301 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 8: by saying, no. 302 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 4: No, no, no. 303 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 8: The Soviet Union is a museum to the industrial age. 304 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 8: They're not making computers, you know, they're not. They're falling 305 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 8: more and more behind us as time goes on. And 306 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 8: so Carter gradually came around to Brazinski's way of looking 307 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 8: at the world. 308 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 4: Restored all the defense. 309 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 8: Spending that had been cut in the previous It had 310 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 8: been cut by forty percent the American defense budget in 311 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 8: the previous decade, restored that had a new sort of 312 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 8: generation nuclear weapons, and that helped sort of bankrupt the 313 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 8: Soviet Union because it had it struggled to keep up. 314 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 8: And then here's the machiavellian bet. You know, Rashinski did, 315 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 8: I think, play a quite clever role in luring the 316 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 8: Soviets into invading Afghanistan, to giving them their Vietnam, their quagmire. 317 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 8: And that's what happened, and that helped bleed the Soviet 318 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 8: Union to death. And this is what Reagan inherited, and 319 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 8: he didn't really change anything. You know, Reaganism was in 320 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 8: place when when Carter left office and Reagan just carried 321 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 8: on with it. 322 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 7: What talk to me about also the connection with the Pope, 323 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 7: because Reagan comes in Thatcher's in President Reagan said, we win, 324 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 7: they lose, kind of accelerates it, right, But the strategy, 325 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 7: first off, how do you lure them into Afghanistan? Makiavilian 326 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 7: and to his relationship with Pope John p the second. 327 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 8: So the way he did it, and you know, I'm 328 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 8: not saying he got them to invade, I mean the 329 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 8: very sort of mentally unstable, well aging senile Soviet leader 330 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 8: Leonid Brezhnev who's sort of drunk half the time. It 331 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 8: was his decision to invade Afghanistan, but he was paranoid 332 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 8: that Afghanistan would fall into America's camp, and Brazhinski kept 333 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 8: sort of stoking that paranoia. They had a leader called 334 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 8: Amen who'd studied at Columbia when Brazhinsky was teaching at Columbia, 335 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 8: So it didn't take much to stimulate that paranoia. And 336 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 8: they didn't, you know, they saw it the south of 337 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 8: the Soviet Union. They had a lot of Muslim republics 338 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 8: like Tajikistan, Kazakhstan. They feared that there was going to 339 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 8: be an uprising in what, in their soft underbelly they 340 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 8: thought of as a southern Soviet Union that bordered Afghanistan. 341 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 4: Done and so Brazinski just like. 342 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 8: Heightened that paranoia, and that helped convince this drunken bredge 343 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 8: Nev to invade, and we really fatal error on his part. 344 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 8: The Pope is a fascinating thing because the Pope was 345 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 8: from Poland as well, and in fact, Brazinski knew the 346 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 8: Pope John Paul Second, that is who was elected in 347 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 8: nineteen seventy eight, first non Italian to become the Vicar 348 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 8: of Christ, as they say, in four hundred and fifty 349 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 8: three years. Quite a coincidence that you have this Polish 350 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 8: speaking Pope all of a sudden and a Polish speaking 351 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 8: grand strategist in Washington, and Brazinski had he for Pope 352 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 8: put In on his White house phone because he called 353 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 8: him so much, and they worked together a lot to 354 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 8: try and push this soft power of you know, freedom 355 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 8: of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of religion, to just 356 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 8: try andate more unrest and opposition inside the Iron Curtain, 357 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 8: the other side of the Iron Curtain against a communist rule. 358 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 8: And the Soviets did come very close to invading Poland. 359 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 8: They had eighteen divisions lined up on the Polish border, 360 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 8: two of them from Germany by the way. So it's 361 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 8: kind of a rather unhappy replay of history to have 362 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 8: Poland invaded by Russia and Germany. Yet again, that's how 363 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 8: the Second World War began, but it didn't invade. And 364 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 8: the reason why it didn't invade was because the Pope 365 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 8: and Brjinski really help persuade Moscow that Poland would be 366 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 8: like a porcupine, it just would be indigestible. And so, 367 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think history thanks you for things 368 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 8: that didn't happen, but this was quite a big thing 369 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 8: that didn't happen. And the Pope and Brginskia, you know, 370 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 8: take take take the medals. 371 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 6: There, let's talk about something that did happen. 372 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 7: As a junior officer, I served under at Sea during 373 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 7: Carter's term and then in the Pentagon during Reagan's. But 374 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 7: as a junior officer, I was on that one of 375 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 7: those carrier of battle groups, one on Camel Station and 376 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 7: Ganzo Station, North Arabian Sea because of the Iranian or 377 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 7: as we call it here, the Persian hostage crisis. That's 378 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 7: probably what Carter's known most for was the failure that 379 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 7: walked me through Brazinski's role in what turned out to 380 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 7: be a catastrophe for Jimmy Carter, the nation and Carter's presidency. 381 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 8: I did interview Karter for this, but obviously before he died, 382 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 8: and he said, look, the worst device he got from 383 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 8: Virazinski was about Iran. So the Shah of Iran being 384 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 8: this close ally of America for decades, and there was 385 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 8: this uprising going on led by the Mullas, led by 386 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 8: the Mosques and the radical, radical Muslim sections of the population. 387 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 4: Brazinski wanted the Shah. 388 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 8: To crack down on them, you know, he wanted blood 389 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 8: in the streets essentially, and the State Department, and led 390 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 8: by its ambassador William Sullivan, thought that Ayatla Hominy, who 391 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 8: was in exile in Paris, he thought that the Mullahs 392 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 8: were actually moderates should be brought into government in Iran, 393 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 8: and that Homony Ila Homoni was actually a Gandhy like figure, 394 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 8: meaning a sort of really peaceful, non violent, which was 395 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 8: definitely a very bad misreading. So Carter was conflicted by 396 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 8: really different advice, and then the hostage crisis was triggered 397 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 8: after the Shah had fled into exile. It turned out 398 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 8: for years he'd had cancer, been suffering from cancer lymphoma, 399 00:24:54,600 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 8: and Carter was persuaded very reluctantly to accept him into 400 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 8: America because this was the only place he could be 401 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 8: treated medically for his and it wasn't true. He could 402 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 8: have been treated in many places. And Rajinski should have 403 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 8: got the Shah to renounce the peacock throne of Iran 404 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 8: of Persia, the ancient peacock throne, as a condition of 405 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 8: being admitted into America, but he didn't, and that stoked 406 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 8: Iranian paranoia that America was going to install him back 407 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 8: on the throne and that this was the first move 408 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 8: admitting giving him asylum in America. And so they stormed 409 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 8: the embassy and that four hundred and forty four day 410 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 8: hostage taking crisis began, and that really did finish Carter 411 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 8: off against Reagan. 412 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 4: I mean it was lethal. 413 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 8: Every night on on you know, Ted Copple and Walter Cronkite, 414 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 8: they had this clock and it just hungover Carter like 415 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 8: a sort of bad nightmare, and he couldn't get rid 416 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:00,120 Speaker 8: of it. 417 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 6: Ed we got to bounce. 418 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 7: Where do they get Where do people get the book? 419 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 7: Where they go to see all the reviews, your book tour, 420 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 7: all of that. 421 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 8: Oh gosh, I'm going to lots of different places, having 422 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 8: really the time of my life. 423 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 4: But I think you can. 424 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 8: Get the book in your local bookstore or Amazon or wherever. 425 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 4: But Steve, I'm really grateful for you having me on. 426 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I love it. 427 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 7: In fact, we want all of our audience, we'll send 428 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 7: you to the where the book tour is going to be. 429 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 6: We want you to show up with a red magaball cap. 430 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 7: In fact, better Trump twenty eight bringing you to the 431 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 7: Trump twenty eight ballcap ed Luis, thank you very much 432 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 7: for writing the book. 433 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 6: It's amazing. It's a must read. Thank you, sir. 434 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 7: The irony that President Trump is talking about a nuclear 435 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 7: deal with the Persians, we go all the way back 436 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 7: to the Iranian or. 437 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 6: Persian hostage crisis. 438 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 7: Short break, Make America healthy again. 439 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 6: Next in the world. 440 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 9: US. 441 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 10: The witness will suspend, the committee will come to order. 442 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 4: Capitol Police will ask to remove. 443 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: The individuals will with the hearing room. 444 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 4: Members of the audience. 445 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 2: Reminded disruptions will not be tolerated. 446 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 10: Members of the audience reminded disruptions will not be permitted 447 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 10: while the committee conducts his business. Capitol Police are asked 448 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 10: to remove the individuals from the hearing room. 449 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 4: That was a name for c Span moment. The Secretary 450 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 4: will his. 451 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 7: Own Okay, that was Bobby Kennedy say, by the way, 452 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 7: a programming note, Captain Uh. The captain, our captain is 453 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 7: going to join us tomorrow and give a counter. He's 454 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 7: got a he's got a different view of h of 455 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 7: Big and UH and Carter. So Captain fanelo be on 456 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 7: tomorrow we're gonna try to work that out. Tony Lyons 457 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 7: if you can cut your phone off, I'll introduce you 458 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 7: as a as a guest get Tony Lions and talk 459 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 7: about a disruptor yesterday, Bobby Kennedy. It's like a fistfight 460 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 7: and a guy can't go to a hearing. 461 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 6: And these are all lefties. That was the Ben and 462 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 6: Jerry Ceo. 463 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 7: I mean, these are why Why does the left hate 464 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 7: Bobby Kennedy so much when he's standing for make America. 465 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 7: I mean it's kind of I love it because something 466 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 7: we've worked on for years. But he's been embraced by 467 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 7: the Make America Great Again populous nationalist movement. People that 468 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 7: were with him for years are now he can't even 469 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 7: have a congressional hearing. I mean, you see the cop 470 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 7: in there. The cop came in hard and threw these 471 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 7: people out. Why is the left so enraged about Bobby Kennedy? 472 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 9: You know, they obviously have Trump derangement syndrome. They can't 473 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 9: get past it. 474 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 6: It's just everything issue just because he's a partner with Trump. 475 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 9: Right, so these issues are issues that should not be 476 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 9: partisan issues. You know, everybody in America ought to want 477 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 9: their children to be happy again, to be happy, to 478 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 9: be healthy. Why would you not want healthy children. So 479 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 9: half of our children now have a chronic disease. You know, 480 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 9: that's not old enough percent of American children. So all 481 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 9: around the world children are healthier. America spends three times 482 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 9: the amount of money on healthcare, on pharma, on public 483 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 9: health than any other of the thirty industrialized countries in 484 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 9: the world, and yet our health outcomes are just an 485 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 9: absolute disaster. 486 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 6: We should be ashamed of that. 487 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 9: I mean, you country by the way they treat their children, 488 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 9: and we are treating our children like we do not. 489 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 6: Care if they live or die. 490 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 9: And Bobby Kennedy, who could have done anything else with 491 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 9: his life, he had no reason. He's not doing this 492 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 9: for money, not for power, not for fame. He's doing 493 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 9: this to help American children, to help all of us, 494 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 9: to help our families, and to make this country healthy 495 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 9: again so we can compete with other countries. 496 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 7: In the nineteen fifties, in the nineteen sixties, America at 497 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 7: the peak of its power, post War power, kids were healthy. 498 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 9: Super videos then of kids in high schools doing twenty 499 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 9: thirty pull ups, pumping out pushups. American children now they're obese, 500 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 9: they have diabetes, they have autism, they have all kinds 501 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 9: of issues. And these are not normal, These are not 502 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 9: genetic issues. These are toxic issues. These are big companies, 503 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 9: big food, big egg, big. 504 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 6: Pharma, big guys beside, But they are poisoning. 505 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 7: American children from the nineteen seventies, when you have a 506 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 7: healthy population roughly and all these kids run around to 507 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 7: the you know, the baby room to twenty twenty five, 508 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 7: walk me through. How did we get to from virtually 509 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 7: I don't know, one percent or two percent of chronic 510 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 7: diseases to fifty percent? 511 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 6: How did that happen? They were winded. 512 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 9: They were doctors back then who had never seen a 513 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 9: child with diabetes, who'd never seen a child with autism. 514 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 9: They didn't know what autism was. They didn't know what 515 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 9: any of these childhood illnesses. So every child now, it seems, 516 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 9: in high schools all across America, they have allergies to 517 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 9: all kinds of things. These kids have been poisoned. This 518 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 9: is a crime against humanity. And Bobby Kennedy has said 519 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 9: that he prayed to God for twenty years to have 520 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 9: the opportunity to fight back, to rescue these children, to 521 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 9: rescue the future of the country. And he said God 522 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 9: blessed Donald Trump for allowing me to do this. So 523 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 9: we've had politicians for the last twenty years saying some 524 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 9: of these things, saying them time after time, but getting 525 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 9: absolutely nothing done. And we've had grassroots people working around 526 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 9: the clock to try to win these battles. But Bobby 527 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 9: Kennedy has achieved more in one hundred days under Donald 528 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 9: Trump than anybody's been able to achieve in the last 529 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 9: twenty years. 530 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 7: Walk me through that, specifically, what has been achieved in 531 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 7: the first hundred days, that's greater than what's been achieved 532 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 7: in the last twenty years. So the other day Bobby 533 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 7: came out in the think and called out Bernie Sanders 534 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 7: by name in the Roosevelt Room right next to the 535 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 7: Oval office when they signed the executive order on prescription 536 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 7: drug pricing. But I walked me through in the first 537 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 7: hundred days why Trump Kennedy have done more than the 538 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 7: last twenty twenty five years. 539 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 9: Because Donald Trump and Bobby Kennedy are not afraid of 540 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,239 Speaker 9: these companies. They're fighting the corruption, so you know, they 541 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 9: are all these concepts, like there's this concept called generally 542 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 9: recognized as safe grass, so that companies could self certify 543 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 9: their own products and their own toxins that they're adding 544 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 9: into those products as safe without any government regulation at all. 545 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 9: So this isn't a regulation versus a free market question. 546 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 9: For Bobby Kennedy, he said time after time that he 547 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 9: believes the free market will do a much better job 548 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 9: than the government has done because the government agencies have 549 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 9: been absolutely corrupted and they've been co opted by these companies. 550 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 6: So when you say these. 551 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 9: Companies, you mean big farmer In, big medicine, big pharma, 552 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 9: big medicine, big egg, big food, So you know they 553 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 9: So Bobby now has taken the petroleum based food colorings, 554 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 9: He's banned them. So these are food colorings that cause 555 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 9: add and ADHD and probably contribute to autism. 556 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 7: And slow down, slow down, slow down. The counter every night, 557 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 7: and this is where you can see an apostate. They 558 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 7: hate Bobby Kennedy. Actually I think more than they hate Trump. 559 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 7: If you watch MSNBC and CNN, they every night they 560 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 7: have at least a segment on Bobby Kennedy and the 561 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 7: pure hatred it comes through. 562 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 6: And here's what they're saying. 563 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 7: Everything you're saying about Bobby Kennedy, they're saying is all 564 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 7: junk science. It's all psychotherapy. It has no basis in science. 565 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 7: What he's doing, even on the food coverings, he has 566 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 7: no backup to that, what he's doing on autism and 567 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 7: saying that he wants to do research in vaccines because 568 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 7: he said, hey, no offense. This thing just popped up 569 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 7: afore giving all these vaccines. You never had this in 570 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 7: the history of America. And it's just not better diagnostics, 571 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 7: that's not the thing. 572 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 6: Why did they hate him? 573 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 7: And is there any justification at all or backup that 574 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 7: by Kennedy's going off of pseudoscience. 575 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, so that's a bunch of different questions there. But 576 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 9: you know, so the idea that you can read about 577 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 9: in the New York Times day after day is that 578 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 9: Bobby Kennedy is dangerous. So the question is what is 579 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 9: he a danger to? Who is he a danger to? 580 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 9: So he's not a danger to any of us. He's 581 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 9: not a danger to moms across America. He's not a 582 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 9: danger to children. He's a danger to a corrupt system 583 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 9: that has poisoned our children. And so those people want 584 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 9: to say that science is all settled, that we've figured 585 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 9: out everything right. But if you're a real scientist, and 586 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 9: any real doctor or scientist knows that the science is 587 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 9: never settled. That anybody who went to medical school twenty 588 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 9: years ago knows that half the things they were taught 589 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 9: are proven. 590 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 6: To be false. 591 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,720 Speaker 9: So if you're really looking at science, you question everything. 592 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 9: You're willing to read everything, to listen to everything, because 593 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 9: we have these skyrocketing chronic diseases, and the science that 594 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 9: we have that we're relying on is failing and we're 595 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 9: doing a worse job, like I said before, than any 596 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 9: country on the planet, spending so much more money. So 597 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 9: we need real science. How and Bobby Kennedy believes in real. 598 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 7: Sciends so much money and have unhealthier kids. How does 599 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 7: it work? 600 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 9: I'll tell you exactly how it works. Because this is 601 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 9: a corrupt system. So you have these big companies hiring 602 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 9: lobbyists who go in and basically bribe politicians into making 603 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 9: decisions that no rational person would make, and then getting 604 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 9: people to write stories about it and cover it on 605 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 9: the news that anybody who challenges them is anti science. 606 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 9: And so that's just not the way science works. We 607 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 9: need people who really are willing to look at it. 608 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 9: So we're told, for example, that the science on autism 609 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 9: is settled. You think about that for a second, nobody 610 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 9: can give a definition of what autism is. There's no 611 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 9: definition for it, there's no blood test for it, there's 612 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 9: no way really to determine other than observation, which is 613 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 9: sketchy at best. And then when they say, well do 614 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 9: vaccines cause autism? 615 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 6: You can't define a vaccine. What's a vaccine? 616 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 9: So there have been five changes in the last decade 617 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 9: to the definition of a vaccine. So you're saying that 618 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 9: something that you can't define causes something else that you 619 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 9: can't define. 620 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 6: So that's a question that's not even logical. 621 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 9: You can look at the package inserts for a dozen 622 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 9: vaccines and you will get symptoms that go into an 623 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 9: autism diagnosis. So the science is not settled, not on vaccines, 624 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 9: not on drugs, not on food. These companies are, you know, 625 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 9: bloodsuckers on the American public, and they are doing these 626 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 9: things despite real science, despite real public health, and despite 627 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 9: any interest in the impact that they're at have on 628 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 9: American children. 629 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 7: You know, kind of the fixes in because as you know, 630 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 7: we monitor CNN and MSNBC twenty four hours a day. 631 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 7: If you watch MSNBC every commercial break, it's two or 632 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 7: three drug and I sit there and go, what are 633 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 7: these diseases? I mean, the things blow your head up, 634 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 7: But it's they are literally driven by commercials from the 635 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 7: big drug companies. Every break they have at least one, 636 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 7: probably two on these drugs. How do we get to 637 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 7: that situation where they're now the sponsors of the left. 638 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 9: Yeah, if you took drug company advertising out of media, 639 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 9: you might get real investigative journalism. 640 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 6: Once again, you think it's blocked it. What's that you 641 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 6: think it's you think the big money has blocked it. 642 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 9: I think the big money has blocked it one hundred percent. 643 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 9: That we are not investigating any of these problems. 644 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 6: So when you say, you know. 645 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 9: Toxic food dies, Bobby comes out and he bans these dies, right, 646 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 9: and the left then comes out with all these stories 647 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 9: that he's dangerous, that he's doing something that's going to 648 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 9: hurt children. 649 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 6: So, you know, you think about that for a second. 650 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 9: Are they seriously going to tell us that with all 651 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 9: of these scientific studies showing that you can get ADHD 652 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 9: from toxic food dies, that any rational person would say 653 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 9: that he's done something bad. These are you know, toxins 654 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 9: that cause ADHD. Then the big pharma companies, you know, 655 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 9: so they're addictive too. So so you've got the colorings, 656 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 9: you've got the sugar, and you're addicting children to these 657 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 9: toxins and then they get ADHD and then you drug 658 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 9: them for it. So you drug millions and millions of 659 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 9: children with no way to get them off drugs, no plan. 660 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 9: So the answer is getting people off these things, getting 661 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 9: the corruption out of Hollywood, getting the corruption out of Washington. 662 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 6: Mean the corruption out of Hollywood. I mean that. 663 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 9: Every story is backing up this system like it used 664 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 9: to be with smoking, right that you would see movie stars, 665 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 9: you know, smoking, all the cool stars smoked, so you 666 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 9: would think, oh, well, I want to be like Clark Gable. 667 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 9: Right So, and the same kind of thing is true 668 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 9: with with Coca Cola, with you know, toxic foods of 669 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 9: all kinds. 670 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 7: Hang on one second, Yeah, that's in the Snap built. 671 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 7: I think co Cola makes ten billion dollars years and 672 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 7: part of part of like ten billion dollars in the Snap. 673 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 9: Why on earth would you allow people to use the 674 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 9: Snap program to buy soda? 675 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 2: Is there any. 676 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 6: Nutritions does value? You've got to have someone to wash 677 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,919 Speaker 6: the doritos down with. Okay, short commercial break Birch Gold 678 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 6: dot com. Take your phone out, text Bannon b A 679 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 6: N N O N that would be me. Nine eight. 680 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 7: You get the ultimate guide, totally free, the ultimate guide 681 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 7: for investing in gold and precious metals in the Age 682 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 7: of Trump, not the. 683 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 6: Error of Trump, the Age of Trump. Get it today. 684 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,720 Speaker 7: You also get to meet uh and connect with Philip 685 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 7: Pantry and Greteen over Birch Gold. Find out what gold's 686 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 7: been at hand for five thousand years in mankind's history. 687 00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 6: Short break, Tony. 688 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 2: War here's your host, Stephen k Ba. 689 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,919 Speaker 6: We're gonna have a full screen here. There's a there's 690 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 6: an event, there's a state the area. 691 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 4: Go right there. 692 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 7: There's a state visit by President Trump. We told you 693 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 7: earlier today, I'll break this all down at five o'clock 694 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 7: and we'll break down the Supreme Court on fourteenth on 695 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 7: the fourteenth Amendment. 696 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 6: Keep that shot right there. 697 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 7: That is one of the main reception halls in Abu Dhabi. 698 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 7: President Trump said, were with Mohammed Ben Zayed. As we 699 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 7: keep saying, mb Z different than NBS. NBZ is really 700 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 7: the head of the UAE. He is the most significant 701 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 7: individual in the Middle East. There's no second and President 702 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 7: Trump thinks very highly. I mean you saw today, We're 703 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,479 Speaker 7: gonna have a We're gonna have a better opening tonight 704 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 7: because we're gonna tie more in that the the strong 705 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 7: personal relationship that President Trump has with NBZ. 706 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 6: There's no audio to this right now. There is gonna 707 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 6: be a state her. 708 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 7: I think President Trump is going to address, make an 709 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 7: address of course, real America's voice. As we do, we'll 710 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 7: cover it all live. Charlie Kirk follows us, Jack Pisobkatuo, 711 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 7: Steve Gruber at three, Eric Bowling of four. I will 712 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 7: do a handoff from Eric at five, and Natalie tonight 713 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 7: is going to do the six o'clock show. She got 714 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 7: so much news to break that we're going to give 715 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 7: her an hour. She's going to go through stuff. I'll 716 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 7: be back here at five. I want to keep that shot. 717 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 7: Tony Lines and my guests in the house. Tony, your 718 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 7: former Lefty now a big part of the MAGA movement. 719 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 7: You came at it through the Make America Healthy Again? 720 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 7: What is make America Healthy Again? What does even mean? 721 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 7: Why is it so important to the merger with this 722 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 7: with MAGA because this puts us in power for fifty 723 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 7: years and understanding of a big announcement about make America 724 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 7: healthy again. 725 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 9: Sure, I mean, MAHA is a movement to rescue American children. 726 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 9: So what's been happening in this country is American children 727 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 9: are under attack and this has to stop. So you 728 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 9: go to any high school in America and you see 729 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 9: sick children, You see people who are suffering from every 730 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 9: disorder you can imagine. 731 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 6: It's not happening to kids all around the world. 732 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 9: And there are concrete steps we can take to make 733 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 9: sure that it doesn't happen here anymore. And it's amazing 734 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 9: that President Trump was able to and was willing to 735 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 9: bring in Bobby Kennedy. And you know, Bobby Kennedy has 736 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 9: said many many times, God blessed President Trump for giving 737 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 9: me this opportunity. And so Bobby Kennedy is going to 738 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 9: work day and night do everything he can to rescue 739 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 9: these children. And I think everybody on the right and 740 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 9: the left, everybody in America should support him, and they 741 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,879 Speaker 9: should stop cow telling, stop bowing to these big corporations 742 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 9: who are poisoning American children. So yeah, we have just 743 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 9: launched the MAHA Institute, which is going to be a 744 00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 9: policy incubator that's going to come up with you know, thoughts, policies, 745 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 9: programs that actually help children. 746 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 7: And well you're launching that was last night, you're launching it. 747 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 7: This big reception you had today you can announce it. 748 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 7: What is the Maha Institute. 749 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 9: The Maha Institute is, like I said, this policy incubator. 750 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,720 Speaker 9: We're going to bring in grassroots groups from all around 751 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 9: the country, and we have them all today. We're a 752 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 9: meeting with about one hundred different people. Each of them 753 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,760 Speaker 9: represents thousands and thousands of people in their home states, 754 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 9: and we're going to listen to them and have them 755 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 9: put forth policy ideas that will then present to HHS 756 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 9: in the hope that they will find a way to 757 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 9: implement them. 758 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 7: Right there seeing on your screen this was like a 759 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 7: Trump rally. Are we in like Akron Ohio? I mean, 760 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 7: these folks are, They're worked up? President Trump a historic, 761 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 7: historic trip to the Middle East. One of the reasons 762 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 7: I want to have loose on about the big was 763 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 7: about the book. Was the moral part of the whole 764 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 7: thing started. The Iranian or Persian crisis started on Carter's 765 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 7: watch in nineteen seventy nine, and here we are, so 766 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 7: many decades later, with at least some initial resolution to 767 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 7: make sure we get rid of these there's never get 768 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 7: to a nuclear weapon. Very very controversial. President Trump, I 769 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 7: think will announce something. He's saying he's going down something 770 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,320 Speaker 7: today or maybe even tomorrow. We are going to start 771 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,919 Speaker 7: doing two or three times a week Bake America Healthy 772 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 7: Again segment to get some of the top thinkers. 773 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 6: In your mind. What is the cutting edge of Make 774 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 6: America Healthy Again? Thought? 775 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 7: I mean, Nicole Shanahan's got a hole. She's one of 776 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 7: the founders of the movement. She's got a whole take. 777 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 7: She focuses on the food and the soil and that 778 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,359 Speaker 7: part of it. Very she wanted to really put all 779 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 7: her people in agriculture. Bobby's over there, you get big farmer. 780 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 7: They're going after the big medicine. They're going after He's 781 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 7: talking about Medicaid. What do you think is the tip 782 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,799 Speaker 7: of the spear of what the actual issues are. 783 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 9: Yeah, let me just go back for a second to 784 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 9: your question on Democrats who've become pro MAGA and you 785 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 9: know I'm one of them. Bobby Kennedy is one of them, 786 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 9: Tulca Gabbard, Nicole Shanahan, n Cole Shanahan. So all of 787 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 9: these different people. And if you think about it, people. 788 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 6: All around the world. 789 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 9: I mean, they were people in Syria cheering in the 790 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 9: last couple of days because of Trump's. 791 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 6: Policies, and there are people here who've been who. 792 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,240 Speaker 7: Basically said, let's try to We've tried a different ways, 793 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 7: let's drop the sanctions, let's try to bring these people 794 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 7: in economically, He's trying. And I realized a lot of 795 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 7: people are this kunder say, these guys are ices. You 796 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 7: got these terrorists. Trump's saying in a lot of the 797 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 7: situations with Cutter, which I'm not totally happy with, He's saying, hey, 798 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 7: let's try economics. Who've tried everything else, It's all failed, 799 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 7: right Theresterial war, is that what you're saying is that 800 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 7: he just tries different things. 801 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 6: It's the same kind of. 802 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,000 Speaker 9: Thing, you know that I was discussing with food policies, 803 00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 9: with agricultural policies, with you know, all of these things 804 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 9: that are part of MAHA that Donald Trump has shown 805 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 9: that he's open to it. And the Democratic Party that 806 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 9: used to stand for free speech, that used to be 807 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 9: anti war, that used to be anti censorship, that used 808 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,440 Speaker 9: to be anti propaganda, is now for all of those things. 809 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,240 Speaker 9: I mean for the deep shape there, for big pharma, 810 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 9: for a big tench What happened to the Democratic Party? 811 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 9: It's hard for me to imagine that because many of 812 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 9: the things that I care about are the exact same 813 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 9: things that I cared about before. But you've got Donald 814 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,400 Speaker 9: Trump making peace all around the world and the Democratic 815 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 9: Party advocating for war all around the world. It's insane, 816 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 9: you know, So what do those words even mean now? 817 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 9: So if you think about it, we have a president 818 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 9: now who's open to ideas, he's open to cutting edge 819 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,760 Speaker 9: therapies in in you know, medicine, I mean, who wouldn't 820 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 9: be for that? And the Democratic Party is part of 821 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 9: the corruption holding back new ideas. 822 00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 6: On the screen you see him. 823 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 7: Come, we're gonna toss to Charlie Kirk at noon. We 824 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 7: got about sixty seconds. Where do people go to make 825 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:05,879 Speaker 7: America health again? 826 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,840 Speaker 6: Institute? Send them, send them somewhere. 827 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,360 Speaker 9: Sure, they can go to Maha Institute dot us. 828 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,879 Speaker 6: Okay, we'll figure this out. 829 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 7: And then for sky sky Horse Books, where they go 830 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 7: you get the best publishing house in. 831 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 9: The world, Skyhorse Publishing dot com. Okay, and uh, there 832 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 9: are imprint there a partner or war room books. Got 833 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 9: a bunch of Warren books coming out in this summer, 834 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 9: gonna be huge. Right there, we're gonna toss it directly 835 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,080 Speaker 9: to Charlie Kirk. I think President Trump's goun be coming 836 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 9: down and just absent. It looks like a Trump rally. 837 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 9: We can be in Akron, Ohio. It's just what does 838 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 9: this guy do? Next level? Okay, we're gonna break it 839 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 9: all down for you. We're gonna be back at five. 840 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,240 Speaker 7: I'm doing a hard transfer over from Eric Bowling today 841 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 7: five to seven at night. 842 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 6: We're back here live, see you back in the warm