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Speaker 1: and I mean his college career started out as heartbreak
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Speaker 4: Toaj Boyd.
Speaker 1: So a terrific career at Clemson, including All ACC ACC
Speaker 1: Player of the Year. He's an All American his final
Speaker 1: game and I think we watched this together tie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, the Orange Bowl against Ohio State in twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen win over Braxton Miller in Ohio State. When I
Speaker 1: last interviewed him, he says, after he was drafted, he
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Speaker 1: Paes and gentlemen, Taj Boyd, Hey you doing well?
Speaker 3: So man, appreciate you guys having me, don't Will you
Speaker 3: know about to go hit the gym real quick?
Speaker 1: What's what's today's focus at the gym? Is it leg day?
Speaker 1: We're working on shoulders? Where are we hitting?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: You know, I hit legs yesterday. I think a spin
Speaker 3: class is more than just get cardio and and so
Speaker 3: I'm trying to straight up a little bit. I'm hoping
Speaker 3: that it helps my golf game, but I don't think
Speaker 3: that's the that's the cost.
Speaker 2: For my problems out there.
Speaker 3: So enough so, so, what.
Speaker 1: We're talking about this week, and this is sort of
Speaker 1: a broader theme for the month, but also for what
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today is sort of the
Speaker 1: the learning and application process of being a quarterback. And
Speaker 1: you started for three years, you were at Clemson for
Speaker 1: four years. You had huge amounts of success. I think
Speaker 1: you only won double digit games every year. So it
Speaker 1: feels like, even though you are consistently very good, you
Speaker 1: would have I think some interesting insight into this. So
Speaker 1: I guess let's start from the beginning. You're you're a
Speaker 1: star high school player in a very competitive area. How
Speaker 1: are your habits then, in terms of studying, executing a playbook?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like these habits helped or hurt you
Speaker 1: coming into Clemson?
Speaker 3: Well, all right, so where I'm from in Virginia, there's
Speaker 3: been disc pliniful amount of athletes to come out of there.
Speaker 2: So e J.
Speaker 3: May was my We went to middle school together. And
Speaker 3: for those of you who do know EJ. May Or,
Speaker 3: he's a quarterback for the Oklahoias right now. Tyrod Taylor
Speaker 3: is my rival in high school. The area's just flooded
Speaker 3: with talent. Man Percy Harvor we played liter League in.
Speaker 2: High school together. In my first year.
Speaker 3: I used to go watch the Adela Hall when he
Speaker 3: was at Deep Creek High School. Uh, seeing Marcut's big
Speaker 3: play safety, punter, and quarterback.
Speaker 2: As far as.
Speaker 3: Me in the quarterback realm, my dad man was really
Speaker 3: the one who who gave me an opportunity and instilled
Speaker 3: in me that I could do that. So I didn't
Speaker 3: really have any like some of these kids now are
Speaker 3: working with these top grade quarterback coaches.
Speaker 2: I didn't have any of that.
Speaker 3: It was my dad built a handmade target. I never
Speaker 3: had any real friends out there.
Speaker 2: My friend with the football, and we.
Speaker 3: Just put a dumb amount of hours to perfect that craft.
Speaker 3: Which is why I was disappointed and my NFL career
Speaker 3: turned out because I know the amount of work I
Speaker 3: put it then. But went to high school and then
Speaker 3: went to Phoenus. There, I was forty three and two
Speaker 3: of the starter won two state championships, lost in the
Speaker 3: state simmes my junior year. Didn't really think about a lot, though,
Speaker 3: so I used to go to all these different circuits.
Speaker 3: So Maggie Camp's Elite eleven Reasons ended up getting to
Speaker 3: the finals of the Elite eleven in that class consisted
Speaker 3: of AJ McCarn Aaron Murray, Gemo Smith, Matt Barkley. It
Speaker 3: was a pretty solid group of guys, but that was
Speaker 3: where I knew I could compete with the other top
Speaker 3: go back from the country, so he just gave me
Speaker 3: that booster a confidence. Tore my atm my senior year,
Speaker 3: third Game of the Year, played.
Speaker 2: Twelve games of the touring ACL.
Speaker 3: Got a last late invite to the Army Old American Game,
Speaker 3: ended up winning.
Speaker 2: MVP of that.
Speaker 3: So in my high school career was pretty prolific. But
Speaker 3: when I went when I decided to commit to Clempson,
Speaker 3: Crimpson wasn't at the time of spread office.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to play in the spread offense. I
Speaker 2: wanted an opportunity to play in the NFL.
Speaker 3: So at the time, I thought the only way to
Speaker 3: do that was to play in a pro style office. Hence,
Speaker 3: while I didn't go to West Virginia, that was the
Speaker 3: team I originally committed to, and I even got rived
Speaker 3: with to change my classification. So originally I was a
Speaker 3: dual threat and I was like, look, I don't want
Speaker 3: to be labeled as that. I want to be labeled
Speaker 3: as a pro stole quarterback. I dropped back every play
Speaker 3: in the high school, not in the shotgun, so I
Speaker 3: don't know why I'm labeled as that, But uh, kind
Speaker 3: of how to deal with my first year OC got
Speaker 3: fired the first couple of years, and then they brought
Speaker 3: in chat Morse, who at the time it just came
Speaker 3: from Tulsa a couple of years in high school. So
Speaker 3: interesting dynamic there, But yeah, I kind of went all
Speaker 3: atle rate right there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, let's go what you guys got.
Speaker 1: So what what was it like in terms of do
Speaker 1: you feel like you were a good studier? Do you
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, going from high school to college.
Speaker 1: Obviously you committed to I think was Billy Napier your
Speaker 1: freshman year offense of course, Furter. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: you had good studying habits? Do you feel like you
Speaker 1: had a good command of the playbook? Do you feel
Speaker 1: like you took things seriously in terms of your responsibilities
Speaker 1: in learning what was expected of you from a learning
Speaker 1: the offense perspective.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I never felt like I had the formal
Speaker 3: training as far as understanding schemes and things of that nature.
Speaker 3: I mean, in high school we pretty much broke it
Speaker 3: down and choose out of the fields. So you were
Speaker 3: looking at your initial shale, but it was either one
Speaker 3: high or too high, and that's pretty much how based
Speaker 3: all of my concepts off of so it's too high,
Speaker 3: you know, stand away from the outside of verticals, which
Speaker 3: is one high. You know, I'm taking those shots. So
Speaker 3: that's pretty much how we broke it down the hospital.
Speaker 3: But everything we did was also play action. So I mean,
Speaker 3: here's times when I literally through the ball eight times
Speaker 3: a game. So to get the clubs in the system
Speaker 3: was very similar. So I didn't necessarily have a hard
Speaker 3: time as far as picking up the system. Where I
Speaker 3: like that was understanding the speed of the guys I'm
Speaker 3: playing against and just figuring out that sense of urgency
Speaker 3: out there, you know, for playing under Napier Uh in
Speaker 3: that traditional system, you know, I felt like that that converted.
Speaker 3: It just wasn't as exciting as that Sprint office. So
Speaker 3: when Chad came in, it was such a transition because
Speaker 3: at that point, again I had never I had never
Speaker 3: played any shotgame.
Speaker 2: Everything I did was under center right, So.
Speaker 3: I remember trying to get a shot a shotgun snap,
Speaker 3: and Mores having to teach me every thing over and
Speaker 3: over and over, and he essentially told me that spring like, look,
Speaker 3: if you can't figure it out, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: find somebody that will. And This is heading into my
Speaker 3: sophomore seet.
Speaker 4: Tom, So let's talk about that in particular, because obviously,
Speaker 4: as you've described, the jump from high school to college
Speaker 4: is pretty significant, not just in terms of the style
Speaker 4: and the schemes and the speed of the game itself,
Speaker 4: but the playbook is a lot more sophisticated. How long
Speaker 4: does it take you to see on the field, to
Speaker 4: be confident on the field with what you're essentially trying
Speaker 4: to absorb on paper, Well.
Speaker 2: That's the thing it depends on.
Speaker 3: Because now you break it down and we classify into
Speaker 3: two types of learners. Some guys are can take mental
Speaker 3: resks and just pick up on it. I was never
Speaker 3: one of those guys. Unfortunately, I had to physically do
Speaker 3: it out there for me to understand it, for me
Speaker 3: to make sense. So I think that's where you get
Speaker 3: when you get some of these guys taking Bruce Gradkowski
Speaker 3: or Charlie Whitehurst. So some of these guys that have
Speaker 3: floated around the league for ten fifteen years, they never
Speaker 3: have to actually take the rep to understand what's going
Speaker 3: on and to really see it for what it is,
Speaker 3: where some guys, you know, just have to do it
Speaker 3: in order to really make it make sense out there
Speaker 3: for him on the field. So you know, from that aspect,
Speaker 3: I mean that's just kind of where I was right,
Speaker 3: and I mean I needed to throw that route and
Speaker 3: I needed to throw a couple of interceptions for me
Speaker 3: to understand why that play doesn't work or what I
Speaker 3: need to see out there on that field.
Speaker 4: Is there such a thing as studying for the speed
Speaker 4: of the game, because it's something you always hear, how
Speaker 4: the speed as you go from level to level is
Speaker 4: something that you need to adjust to. Can you study
Speaker 4: for that at all? Or is it truly just a
Speaker 4: matter of you need to go out there and take
Speaker 4: the reps before you can get a little bit more
Speaker 4: confident with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't study steed. I mean like throwing a
Speaker 3: banggate in that first window, right, Yeah, a bandgate is
Speaker 3: a seven step skinny post and you can look at it,
Speaker 3: but if you never rep it, you don't understand that
Speaker 3: when your foot hits that fifth step, that ball there's
Speaker 3: no time for anything else. There's no time for a hitch,
Speaker 3: there's no time to drop the ball. I mean, you
Speaker 3: got to fire cluse that fits step hits the ground.
Speaker 3: But you can't really see that on film or watch
Speaker 3: it on the sideline. You have to get out there
Speaker 3: and really get a feel for it and the timing
Speaker 3: with it to while timming is so important as well,
Speaker 3: because on paper it looks good. On the field, it
Speaker 3: might look totally different site looking at the defense. When
Speaker 3: I was with the Jets, I mean restaurants. His damn
Speaker 3: defense is so complex. I would understand it on paper
Speaker 3: and look at it on film. Then I would get
Speaker 3: out there and it would look like but I was
Speaker 3: looking at forty defenders out there. They were irrotating so
Speaker 3: many places and moving all over the place that you
Speaker 3: really needed to see in order to really grasp it.
Speaker 3: And maybe that was just me. I just feel like that.
Speaker 2: Happens a lot for a lot of guys.
Speaker 3: The thing about college and pros though, is that first off,
Speaker 3: you select the college you go to. You get a
Speaker 3: chance to make that decision. The pros all words like
Speaker 3: that they select you for what reasons you don't never
Speaker 3: really know, and they might have an idea of what's
Speaker 3: going to happen before you can get there.
Speaker 2: You have no control over that.
Speaker 4: Just out of curiosity, can you give us an example
Speaker 4: of how things might vary from college to the NFL
Speaker 4: from coach to coach.
Speaker 3: Martin Morrowlegg is an extension of Bill Walsh in the original.
Speaker 2: West Coast offense. There's still a few of those guys
Speaker 2: left in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Is a pedigree where they're.
Speaker 2: Built and taught a certain way.
Speaker 3: And tree right Florida nine at Clemson was a three
Speaker 3: by one set three receiver to the right wide receiver
Speaker 3: to the left, and it was a it was the
Speaker 3: same concept my my individual player, I've isolated to the
Speaker 3: left runs a shallow cross prey by one trade right
Speaker 3: Florida and same play with the New York Jets and
Speaker 3: the Martin morning leg would shift a half back from
Speaker 3: right open two Jets scat slam all though specially eagle
Speaker 3: shallow cross, the exact same player.
Speaker 1: And you were running it with tempo at Clemson right.
Speaker 3: And I'm running it in the damn huddle. Yeah, But
Speaker 3: in the Jets, I'm running it with Nick Nagle screamers,
Speaker 3: spit the damn playout, rookie. And now I'm almost pissing
Speaker 3: down my pants because I had to get to play
Speaker 3: from Marty twelve times, you know, for me to really
Speaker 3: be able to recite it.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and.
Speaker 3: Now I finally get to play down and spit it
Speaker 3: out in the huddle. But then I watched a lot
Speaker 3: of screaming and I don't forgot what I damn called,
Speaker 3: you know, And I remember sitting there like my goodness,
Speaker 3: because at that point, I mean, it's either you understand
Speaker 3: it or you don't.
Speaker 2: They don't. Really, they're not in the business to be
Speaker 2: your frame or really your coach. It's a business.
Speaker 3: True is you'll find a few coaches out there where
Speaker 3: they're going to take that time and really, you know,
Speaker 3: spool feeds you. But it all depends on where you're
Speaker 3: drafted at, you know, first second round.
Speaker 2: Is they get that treatment course through seventh. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're kind of on your own out there, you know,
Speaker 2: so kind of one of those deals too.
Speaker 3: But man, we're getting forty fifty plays a day install
Speaker 3: and I'm getting two through reps of practice. So not
Speaker 3: only am I not seen it, I'm seeing it on
Speaker 3: the sideline, but I'm not really doing it physically right.
Speaker 3: And I'm still trying to digest this first first set
Speaker 3: of plays before I get to the next day install.
Speaker 3: And some of them were the same places but just
Speaker 3: different terminology, different verbiage sets for different the alignments are different,
Speaker 3: so you know, you really just it was tough for
Speaker 3: me personally.
Speaker 1: So when you're at Clemson just to get back to terminology,
Speaker 1: did you find that that way of learning with a
Speaker 1: more simplified way of calling plays, especially because you had
Speaker 1: to call them quickly. You weren't in huddles like you
Speaker 1: would have been there in the NFL, for sure, So
Speaker 1: that simplified way of play calls and perhaps a simplified
Speaker 1: passing and route tree. Do you think that was advantageous
Speaker 1: to you as you're, you know, nineteen twenty years old
Speaker 1: to pick it up relatively quickly and move forward with confidence.
Speaker 3: I think from a college standpoint, yes, because we played
Speaker 3: at such a high tempo that you got to make
Speaker 3: quick decisions. So if you can pick up on a
Speaker 3: diagnosed to defense and still get the ball off with
Speaker 3: twenty second left on the clock, you're doing amazing. NFL
Speaker 3: is a slower pace still, it's not a lot of temple.
Speaker 3: You'll see some floating around, but they use that whole clock,
Speaker 3: so it's not necessarily a huge deal to not run tempo.
Speaker 3: I mean the NFL, so for colleges advantageous for the NFL,
Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter at that point because they're not
Speaker 3: in the business of getting two hundred snaps again like
Speaker 3: some colleges are.
Speaker 1: So you pick up the offense relatively quickly in college,
Speaker 1: and you talked about needing those physical reps and live
Speaker 1: action to really get comfortable. Yeah, what took the longest
Speaker 1: to get comfortable with at Clemson? Was it sort of
Speaker 1: recognizing and diagnosing defenses. Was it, you know, certain option
Speaker 1: routes or whatever, you know, just the chemistry with your receivers.
Speaker 1: Was it your own timing and footwork and sort of vision.
Speaker 1: What was like what was the last step to really
Speaker 1: master your comfort within the Clemson offense?
Speaker 3: For me, it was the speed of it because of
Speaker 3: where I played at a high school and the type
Speaker 3: office we ran. We weren't a temple team either. You know,
Speaker 3: we took our time. Hell, we played four minute offense
Speaker 3: the whole year, you know, long we won the game.
Speaker 2: That's kind of how we ran it. You know.
Speaker 3: Whereas Chad Morris's whole concept, this whole system was built
Speaker 3: for speed. Because it's not built for speed, then it
Speaker 3: doesn't work as effectively as would you know, we're trying
Speaker 3: to draw defenders off side, take free shots. You know,
Speaker 3: get this, guys tired run free vertical concepts in a row.
Speaker 3: You know, it's really on the strength of how tired
Speaker 3: of this defense and who's going to last in the
Speaker 3: fourth quarter where some of the teams where you still
Speaker 3: look at the Penn States, you still look at the
Speaker 3: Georgia's even Oklahoma team spent like they don't necessarily run
Speaker 3: a full on tempo, it's still slow it down some
Speaker 3: That's why they get the perception of still being pro
Speaker 3: style even though they may be in a shotgun as
Speaker 3: opposed to treat tempo. And again I think that is
Speaker 3: its benefits these quarterbacks in college, but in college only
Speaker 3: to run tempo because it doesn't really matter at NFL level.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned the installation on the on the pro
Speaker 1: level of being you know, forty fifty plays per day
Speaker 1: or something like that on a certain level. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you're in college, what was you know, you have the
Speaker 1: job for three years, and maybe this changed over the
Speaker 1: course of your three years as you got older and
Speaker 1: more experienced, but what was the typical how many plays
Speaker 1: were installed in a given week in college? You know,
Speaker 1: you would feel comfortable.
Speaker 2: With in our game plan.
Speaker 3: I mean, we had about seventy eighty players in the
Speaker 3: game plan. It would take probably a little bit more
Speaker 3: every now and then. And I mean the biggest thing
Speaker 3: with that is, you know, you have I think in
Speaker 3: colleges you have so much more time to understand what
Speaker 3: you're doing because I mean, you're in a team setting
Speaker 3: most of the year anyways. And the professional ranks you
Speaker 3: usually got to get with a quarterback coach and the
Speaker 3: off season who understands what he's doing because those coaches
Speaker 3: in NFL are taking vacation too.
Speaker 2: You know, they want to get away and do their thing.
Speaker 2: So the self teach is harder to do.
Speaker 3: In a professional ranks than it is college, and mainly
Speaker 3: because you know, in college there is always gonna be
Speaker 3: that support the coaches go on the skeet trip, but
Speaker 3: there's always gonna be that graduate assistant who understands the
Speaker 3: playbook inside it out will help you diagnose.
Speaker 2: That understand it.
Speaker 3: Whereas in approach, you're the only one sitting there there
Speaker 3: and they're watching it by yourself, so you can sit
Speaker 3: there and watch you can watch it. I have one
Speaker 3: hundred minutes of film, But did you understand why you're
Speaker 3: watching what you're watching me really wait their time.
Speaker 1: You talk about in college sort of the communication that
Speaker 1: you had with coaches and always being in a team
Speaker 1: setting and the grad assistant who knows the playbook inside
Speaker 1: and out. Did you have input? I know, you know
Speaker 1: people have sort of mentioned this in the pros. You
Speaker 1: know quarterbacks who have been there forever. But you're in college.
Speaker 1: You're succeeding. Obviously, your coaches are seeing how you're succeeding
Speaker 1: with what types of plays you're succeeding. Do you have
Speaker 1: a conversation with you know, Chad Morris or whoever about like,
Speaker 1: what plays you're comfortable with in certain situations, your favorite
Speaker 1: plays on you know, third and fourth down or in
Speaker 1: the red zone. Do you have input as you become
Speaker 1: more experienced in college?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean we will go through and the whole
Speaker 3: week will be based off of that. So Monday, so
Speaker 3: you would have off. Obviously Sunday, well, Monday will be
Speaker 3: your correction on film. Tuesdays it's pretty heavy prize one day.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty heavy practice. Thursday is to walk through.
Speaker 3: Fridays walk through in the movies at Top Corner and
Speaker 3: everything else.
Speaker 2: Game time.
Speaker 3: So essentially what happened is that Tuesday Wednesday. Tuesday you
Speaker 3: would really figure out, you know, really what happened in
Speaker 3: the game, what was good, what you're gonna scrap, and
Speaker 3: everything else that nature. And Wednesday is when we would
Speaker 3: start kind of dumbing it back down and say, all right,
Speaker 3: looks like the defense will playing against.
Speaker 2: This is what you're gonna be looking at.
Speaker 3: Tell me what you like in this situation or base
Speaker 3: that system, and that those players based off of the
Speaker 3: look that I was going to potentially get that week.
Speaker 3: So I mean the coach made happen the decision, I
Speaker 3: mean the other half of it. And you know, really
Speaker 3: it's based off of the strength of that particular player.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love throwing the DP ball, so we
Speaker 3: aim to throw ten to twelve deep balls a game,
Speaker 3: and at any given time during the game I saw
Speaker 3: that look, I would take off and trying to take
Speaker 3: a shot.
Speaker 2: And really what that would do was just put.
Speaker 3: That defense in the situation where you're loosing them up
Speaker 3: to the point where we were able to throw out
Speaker 3: route so our hitches, our slants and everything else that nature.
Speaker 2: But I did have enough input to the.
Speaker 3: Point where I was comfortable with everything that I was running.
Speaker 3: It wasn't one time that I can remember in college
Speaker 3: when we called a play and I wasn't comfortable with
Speaker 3: it like this, like I noticed, player's gonna die right here.
Speaker 1: So what was your favorite third down play in college?
Speaker 3: I love the fail concept. So I was three by
Speaker 3: one as well outside their number. I guess, goanna call
Speaker 3: it the number one outside or run a vertical the
Speaker 3: number two. We're running fourteen to sixteen, r a out route.
Speaker 3: Number three we're running flat. So it gives us each
Speaker 3: level of depth down the field. And I was essentially
Speaker 3: read that flat defender or that strong side linebacker. Most
Speaker 3: of the time we ransom the field. We ran to
Speaker 3: the boundary every now and then. But now I read
Speaker 3: that back and I was just high low based off
Speaker 3: from him. And if I caught that safety peaking a
Speaker 3: little bit, you know, I would. I would test them
Speaker 3: to see. Obviously, it depending on who I had out
Speaker 3: there and running. If I had Sammy out there, I said, no, brain,
Speaker 3: I'm taking that shot and throwing it up to Sami
Speaker 3: and seeing.
Speaker 2: If people go get it. But I love that concept.
Speaker 3: On the backside, I had a deeper outroute as well
Speaker 3: or come back based off of.
Speaker 2: Who we were playing. If you're playing against an Xavier Road.
Speaker 3: That's some damn lockdown out there, so you're not gonna
Speaker 3: take that shot anyways. But you know, I love that
Speaker 3: concept and I love throwing smash concept.
Speaker 2: Man. I was a big hoghow kind of guy.
Speaker 3: Just because I mean, easy decisions you got there, I
Speaker 3: mean equipment, the decision to make it happen, and usually
Speaker 3: it's eighty percent of the time become make completion out there.
Speaker 3: But I mean I was a different kind of built player.
Speaker 3: So I mean everybody in the house knew it was
Speaker 3: gonna happen on third or four or less. Emotion, He's
Speaker 3: coming on a jet, sip, I'm taking the jets sweeping,
Speaker 3: I'm coming downhill.
Speaker 2: So you know that's kind of the way we ran
Speaker 2: our system, TODJ.
Speaker 4: So you're you're at Clemson as you're getting prepared for
Speaker 4: game day, your relationship between your quarterback coach, your offensive coordinator,
Speaker 4: your head coach, Can you give us a sense for
Speaker 4: how those dynamics come into play when you're trying to
Speaker 4: put a scheme together.
Speaker 3: So it was it was really big with technically towards quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: to Chad Morris.
Speaker 2: Sure, So at the particular time, I mean I spent
Speaker 2: most of the time with him, and I would I
Speaker 2: would even go on on.
Speaker 3: That Sunday and we would watch the film together, so
Speaker 3: on the Monday and Tuesday we could talk about what
Speaker 3: was going to happen and what we liked and didn't
Speaker 3: like during the week.
Speaker 2: So, I mean I spent most.
Speaker 3: Of the time games planning with him. He was very
Speaker 3: common practice man in the game. He was carting crazy
Speaker 3: stuff there. So you know, he would call a concept
Speaker 3: and it wouldn't work and like, you know, I don't
Speaker 3: know where my quarterback wait, but you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: figure it out and I would have to rely on
Speaker 3: my backrounds behind me. I look, you know this is
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: What are you saying? And now we get the con
Speaker 2: version from those guys.
Speaker 4: If Chad Morris was the guy that you spent the
Speaker 4: most time with in trying to scheme, at what point
Speaker 4: does the head coach come into the whole scheming realm.
Speaker 3: So the best part about Coachwee is he's more of
Speaker 3: a facilitator.
Speaker 2: I mean he's a true head coach.
Speaker 3: He has a coordinator on defense and coordinator on offense
Speaker 3: left him do the job. Now, Grantett being about three
Speaker 3: or four trick players that he wanted to run a game,
Speaker 3: and if he didn't get it his way, you know,
Speaker 3: he would throw a fit over there, but usually what
Speaker 3: he called him, they would, So you know, it's a
Speaker 3: lot better for his confidence over there. Man. Jack can't
Speaker 3: say anything on that on that nature, but coach we
Speaker 3: get in every now and then. I don't know how
Speaker 3: it's working now with the dynamics over there because they
Speaker 3: have co offensive coordinators. So I think coach Woe's hand,
Speaker 3: isn't it a little bit more? But at the particular time,
Speaker 3: it was Chazz offense and it was Ventible's defense, and
Speaker 3: it just was or it was at that point.
Speaker 1: So you're obviously, when you're at Clemson, you're responsible for
Speaker 1: yourself first and foremost and having command of things. Did
Speaker 1: you feel on a certain level you're the quarter back?
Speaker 1: Do you feel responsible for everyone on offense? Do you
Speaker 1: want to are you personally making sure you know the
Speaker 1: offensive line knows the checks? Do you know you make
Speaker 1: sure your receivers know everything you're saying, and you know,
Speaker 1: are you sort of confident in everything like that, How
Speaker 1: did how did you reach the point where you were
Speaker 1: confident and you were communicating with everybody to make sure
Speaker 1: everyone was on the same page.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, that's the biggest thing is it's all
Speaker 3: about confidence. I mean, it exudes when you're walking out
Speaker 3: there in that field. So, man, I remember my first
Speaker 3: game starting. We were losing at half after like two
Speaker 3: interceptions have fumbled. We were playing Offord or Troy. We
Speaker 3: were playing Troy Troy University, And I remember coming back
Speaker 3: at halftime and I had just the Matthews looks on
Speaker 3: my way in the locker room and one of the
Speaker 3: older guys like, you gotta get your shit together over there,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: So really, even if you didn't know what you were doing,
Speaker 2: you had to act like.
Speaker 3: You know what you were doing, just an inspire the
Speaker 3: guys around it, because it makes a difference, especially when
Speaker 3: you're talking about playing. Fact, sometimes you'll look and for
Speaker 3: particular quarterbacks not in the game, it looks like that
Speaker 3: the offense is moving a little bit slower, And a
Speaker 3: lot of times that is the case. It's not that
Speaker 3: the quarterback isn't moving slow, it's just that they don't
Speaker 3: have confidence. So their second guests and everything that they're
Speaker 3: doing as well, or she was running a little bit
Speaker 3: more slop your oute office. The lot is taking a
Speaker 3: play off here and there. And if your guys know
Speaker 3: what they expect out of you and you're performing at
Speaker 3: that level, you're always going to get the optionum out
Speaker 3: of your guys.
Speaker 1: So now you mentioned that you're working with younger players
Speaker 1: now competing for jobs, and you're working with sort of
Speaker 1: mentoring and you know, helping train quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: A lot of it is just I mean just the
Speaker 3: minute preparation. I mean just going through these exact experiences
Speaker 3: that I had that they're going to go through. And
Speaker 3: I mean they got a little bit more time than
Speaker 3: they think they do, you know, because in college, I
Speaker 3: mean anything can happen at that point. I mean you
Speaker 3: look at last year in the last championship game, I
Speaker 3: mean to it and know he was gonna play that game,
Speaker 3: but he was ready when the number was called. And
Speaker 3: college you give that a lot. I mean, there's always
Speaker 3: gonna be a Drew Blest of Tom Blake Brady's story
Speaker 3: at any given university. So God just got to be
Speaker 3: ready to do it. And I think that's just the
Speaker 3: nature to beat the quarterback in general. The case Kingdom
Speaker 3: stepped up, Nick Fole stepped up. You just got to
Speaker 3: be conslaying your abilities. But you can only do that
Speaker 3: if you prepare it. So a man's ego is the
Speaker 3: biggest downfall in football in sports, mainly because they want
Speaker 3: to think that they know it, and they want to
Speaker 3: say that they know it or push it off with
Speaker 3: the shove.
Speaker 2: You really know it, You really know.
Speaker 3: Why you throw all hot off his corner cap blitz
Speaker 3: right here because you know your back is supposed.
Speaker 2: To be picking that up and over there.
Speaker 3: You throw hot anyways, and you got a guy in
Speaker 3: the middle of the field street going I don't if
Speaker 3: you just lost the game. So the intricate details the
Speaker 3: parts of the quarterback is what makes some guys elite
Speaker 3: and what makes.
Speaker 2: Some guys not.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's more difficult now because teams are
Speaker 1: more used to to spread concepts or do you feel
Speaker 1: like offenses are are better prepared? You know, everything has
Speaker 1: evolved on offense to the point where you know there's
Speaker 1: ourpos they're you know, there are quicker ways to study
Speaker 1: with iPads and stuff like that. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: it is easier to play quarterback in a spread system
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen or is it is a little more
Speaker 1: difficult because of what people know now.
Speaker 3: I think that the spread offense is IOUs been more
Speaker 3: accepted at this point maybe football, And I mean it's
Speaker 3: not flowing down from here. I mean, well, the last
Speaker 3: time he went to a middle school game, it's start
Speaker 3: chang dropping back into and play actions. We haven't really
Speaker 3: That's just kind.
Speaker 2: Of where we're at in football.
Speaker 3: But at some point, I mean, the whole NFL system
Speaker 3: is going to change because the older players, who are
Speaker 3: the older coaches that were once and control everything are
Speaker 3: going to are going to face the Sean mcgays where
Speaker 3: they grew up in this generation right here. So from
Speaker 3: a from a skim standpoint, I mean, the offense is
Speaker 3: always gonna have to evolve a little bit, just because
Speaker 3: the defense is always going to become a little bit
Speaker 3: of walking place. The first year we ran our pos
Speaker 3: run pass tags my senior year and we had just
Speaker 3: started right after the season after l.
Speaker 2: S U.
Speaker 3: My junior year, and I remember having to pick up
Speaker 3: on that and that was a transition, you know.
Speaker 2: And then I remember the Jets.
Speaker 3: The Jets asking me about it. But hey, you know,
Speaker 3: and clumsy. I ran this, this, and this, tell me
Speaker 3: how it works. And I remember telling them to the
Speaker 3: exactly how it worked, and it was like, no, no,
Speaker 3: now we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: It this way. And it was the same way that
Speaker 2: I had just told.
Speaker 3: Them, so they really wanted to just make it there.
Speaker 3: But now, at some point, I mean, the games just
Speaker 3: the game was gonna be college football, man, whether people
Speaker 3: like it or not. I mean, the players don't change.
Speaker 3: I mean we were the same guys that are playing
Speaker 3: at that level. But you know, if the NFL could
Speaker 3: be separate, I think that's what people would like the most.
Speaker 3: But at some point they're going to have to accept it.
Speaker 3: That's just a new way of football at this point.
Speaker 1: Well, very cool. This is really insightful. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Man on the season. Let me know.
Speaker 3: We'll get up here and chat some more. I still
Speaker 3: don't like dlphin, but callowing me on Twitter, Instagram or whatever.
Speaker 1: Man, appreciate it as always. Man, you're the best.
Speaker 4: Okay, Dan Again, that is Taj Boyd, former standout quarterback
Speaker 4: from Clemson. You know him well if you're a college
Speaker 4: football fan. I thought a really honest conversation Dan. Yeah,
Speaker 4: a much different kind of conversation than the ones we've
Speaker 4: had with Seth Latrelle and Joe Moorehead and Chris Brown.
Speaker 4: But really some insight from a first hand perspective as
Speaker 4: to what it's like to actually be the guy in
Speaker 4: the huddle trying to recite the verbiage, trying to run
Speaker 4: the plays.
Speaker 1: I had minor panic attacks when he was talking about
Speaker 1: having to learn like a hundred plays in an hour
Speaker 1: with that were full on sentences that sound like each
Speaker 1: play call was an essay, you know, and you know
Speaker 1: of the draft is coming up in what about a
Speaker 1: month from when we're recording this. Right now, we've got four, five, six,
Speaker 1: you know, depending on how how deep you think this
Speaker 1: class is going into the maybe early mid second round
Speaker 1: top guys, and so much goes into that transition. You
Speaker 1: watch all these guys in college, whether it's Sam Darnold
Speaker 1: or Josh Rosen or Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, and they
Speaker 1: come out of college looking like they have mastered college defenses,
Speaker 1: like they are a step ahead, and then they're moving
Speaker 1: to a place where they are seventeen and a half
Speaker 1: steps behind. So that perspective, especially coming from Taj who
Speaker 1: succeeded to such a crazy degree at Clemson against the
Speaker 1: highest level of competition, and also Ty, I went back
Speaker 1: and watched some Taj Boyd clips. What an amazing career,
Speaker 1: like what like a true like his builds. First of all,
Speaker 1: he you know, he's solidly built but with a great
Speaker 1: arm and was asked to run a ton sort of.
Speaker 1: I'm just the most most modern of quarterbacks. And to
Speaker 1: hear him talk frankly about that transition was super interesting,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it.
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