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Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about HR one For the People Act, or as I'm

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Speaker 1: more accurately describing, the for the Corrupt Politicians Act. It's

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Speaker 1: an enormous avenue for election fraud, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: very important to recognize that it passed basically by a

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Speaker 1: Congressman Benny Thompson of Mississippi. The Act is over eight

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Speaker 1: hundred pages, making it hard to sift through all the details.

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Speaker 1: But the one major issue with the Act is it

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Speaker 1: takes away the role of states to regulate their own elections. Instead,

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Speaker 1: it creates a federal mandate for a one size fits

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Speaker 1: all Nancy Polosi bill. The Americans truly understood what is

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Speaker 1: hidden in HR one, there would be almost no support

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Speaker 1: for it. And no one knows that better than my

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Speaker 1: guest today, hansavans. Hans, is the leading expert of voter

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Speaker 1: integrity at the Heritage Foundation, having worked on the issue

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Speaker 1: of free and fair elections for decades. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us new Thanks for having me. I did notice

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Speaker 1: that you've both been writing about this and talking about this.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain what tipped you off that HR one

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Speaker 1: might not in fact before the people as the Democratic

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Speaker 1: machine claims. Well, I knew this bill would be a

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Speaker 1: started looking at it immediately because it was the very

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Speaker 1: first bill that Democrats introduced, which emphasizes how important they

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Speaker 1: I started looking through its provisions because of the massive changes,

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Speaker 1: bad changes it was making in the administration of our

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Speaker 1: election process, and frankly also changes in federal campaign rules

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Speaker 1: and regulations. And the bill in essence was taking all

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Speaker 1: of the bad policies that Democrats have been pushing for

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Speaker 1: for years, all the terrible changes that were made in

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Speaker 1: last year's elections, cementing them in place as federal law,

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Speaker 1: and then making things even worse. It's eight hundred pages new,

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Speaker 1: but the overall goal of this bill seems to be

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Speaker 1: to do two things. Make it easy to cheat in

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Speaker 1: the speech of anyone who's willing to criticize what Democrats

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Speaker 1: are doing. You said recently that it is an eight

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Speaker 1: hundred page monstrosity. That's pretty strong language. And then you

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Speaker 1: wrote in a recent article for Fox that there are

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Speaker 1: eight really bad parts of HR one. Can you highlight

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Speaker 1: some of these sections? Sure? The one that folks will

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Speaker 1: understand immediately is the fact that it guts state voter

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Speaker 1: ID laws. No state would be able to ask someone

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Speaker 1: they say they are? Instead, the bill says that states

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Speaker 1: So that Newt, as I'm sure you realize, means I

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Speaker 1: and if they questioned it because we don't exactly look alike,

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Speaker 1: as long as I signed a form swearing I was you,

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Speaker 1: they would have to let me vote. That in itself

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Speaker 1: but when you combine it with other provisions. For example,

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Speaker 1: it requires same day voter registration, so that means every

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Speaker 1: register and immediately vote. Now, obviously that gives them no

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Speaker 1: and since they can't ask you for an ID. Again,

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Speaker 1: I can walk into any polling place anywhere in the country,

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Speaker 1: To make this even worse, it has a severe limitation

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Speaker 1: on top of that, you can add things like again

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Speaker 1: absentee ballots. Not only can states not require an ID

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Speaker 1: That's now out the window. No state can enforce a

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Speaker 1: the next century. If that's what happens. They indicated that

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Speaker 1: is filing the petition to recall the governor. So I

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Speaker 1: actually currently have stricter rules for proving who you are

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Speaker 1: absotte ballots are the most vulnerable ballots because they're voted

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Speaker 1: absentee ballots. That's a very dangerous and risky idea because

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Speaker 1: understand the history of elections, doesn't this reverse almost one

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Speaker 1: model of machine politics. Yes, that's exactly what's happening. I

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Speaker 1: of our history, and the corruption of voter fraud across

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court recognized this nude as you know, in

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Speaker 1: all the time in this country. What do you think

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Speaker 1: is the motivation? I mean, do they really want to

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Speaker 1: This bill would require all states to put in automatic

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Speaker 1: one of those agencies would then have to forward your

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Speaker 1: impact the two senators in their votes. They're finding amazing numbers.

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Speaker 1: Seventy percent of the country opposes abolishing voter ID. This

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Speaker 1: So instead of having to go back and past ten bills,

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Speaker 1: provides for tax paid funding for campaigns. Well, it turns out,

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Speaker 1: is a fundamental violation of people's rights to say that

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Speaker 1: you will really be helping dramatically preserve freedom in America. Hans,

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Speaker 1: these worst provisions that we were talking about today. That's great,

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Speaker 1: at newtsworld dot com. And I really appreciate the amazing

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Speaker 1: Thank nu, Thank you to my guests, Hans von Spakovsky.

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