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Speaker 1: Colin Coward Podcast. Pay an update on my health. Anybody

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Speaker 1: Speaking of NBA, we bring on our guest Daryl Morey.

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Speaker 1: I like bringing all my friends. Daryl Morey is my friend,

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Speaker 1: current basketball president for the Sixers, former NBA executive year

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Speaker 1: around the Houston Rockets and they were always in the

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Speaker 1: news and always entertaining for years and years, and then

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Speaker 1: it's NBA life. There are no jobs forever. Daryl Morey

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Speaker 1: moves out of Houston and goes to Philadelphia, a team

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Speaker 1: I think most NBA fans would acknowledge that has a

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Speaker 1: lot of talent. We're waiting for the chemistry to work

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Speaker 1: and Daryl is joining us. Now. I just got out

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Speaker 1: because I traveled too much, and you travel nine times

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Speaker 1: it's some there's some order here. I don't understand. Now,

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Speaker 1: where are you right now? This second? Portland? Portland? Right now? Oh,

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Speaker 1: come on, we're you gonna go to dinner tonight. Well,

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Speaker 1: so we're basically in a bubble like they act like

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Speaker 1: we're out of the bubble. But the NBA, I think

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Speaker 1: it's the right thing. We don't get to do much

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Speaker 1: but our hotel room, our team mill room in the arena,

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Speaker 1: so we're not allowed to go to restaurants. Are you

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Speaker 1: staying at the Heathman? Where's your hotel? We're at the nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh that's swanky. It's weird. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's probably weird and swanky. Well, Portland's weird. So

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Speaker 1: that it's for the record, spent seven years there, great

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Speaker 1: NBA city you know, it's interesting when when you're you're

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Speaker 1: a good personnel guy, you have a good eye for personnel.

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Speaker 1: When Dame Lillard came out of Weaver State, he was

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Speaker 1: obviously a score. Um. I mean, you know he was

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Speaker 1: I think in general, someone coming from a small school

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Speaker 1: all time great trades. They Portland traded like two months

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Speaker 1: there's a great, great place to start. I think people

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Speaker 1: I think when it's gonna be all said and done

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Speaker 1: I mean, I go where the data is. When Ben

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Speaker 1: Joel's cleaning up. And I mean that's why we're a

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Speaker 1: It works better than you might think. You can sort

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Speaker 1: then if all that doesn't work, it's opposed to for

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Speaker 1: historically those two together have been plus ten, plus twenty,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm a friend of Doc Rivers. I

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Speaker 1: like you're a failure if you don't reach this level,

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Speaker 1: but just like I know you could do this. You know,

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Speaker 1: an analytic in basketball, Daryl, you will go to the

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Speaker 1: and James Harden can win the East if you give

425
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Speaker 1: them wing defenders and a rim protector. I don't think

426
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: they need a third score. And it's a weird idea.

427
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 1: I said, Kyrie could potentially be the first star in

428
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: my life. I would move, and I wouldn't seek equal value.

429
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: I would seek specific niche value because I believe I

430
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: have two of the best three scores in the NBA

431
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: in the last decade. Does it make sense to you

432
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: as somebody that in analytics if a team decided to

433
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: move a star. Have there been times you think, listen,

434
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: I want to win championships. Durant and Harden have four

435
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 1: prime yeers left. Not to speak for other teams, but

436
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: it is a situation where you may have the two

437
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: best pure scorers in the league on a team you

438
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: don't need the third. Like, talents not always the answer

439
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: to everything, right, I agree with that. It's hard for

440
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: me to talk specifically about Brooklyn obviously, but but I

441
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: would say, you know, sometimes you don't always get to

442
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: have it be perfect, right, you don't, you know, you

443
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: don't have like a five year plan that just sort

444
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: of locks into place. The thing, Opportunities come up for

445
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: different teams at different points. You have to jump on

446
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: them and then make it work, right, and uh, you know,

447
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: and I think that's where uh, you know, Brooklyn you know,

448
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: finds themselves. They just they you know, they they're jumping

449
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: on opportunities, which I respect, and they're and they're and

450
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: they're having to make and they're having to make it work.

451
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: And honestly, for me, I'm just hoping it really doesn't

452
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: work for a while. So, um, you know, I, you know,

453
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Speaker 1: I I think they're They're gonna be one of the

454
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Speaker 1: greatest offensive teams of all time, if not the best,

455
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 1: And I'm really hoping their defense isn't good enough. There

456
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: are you know? They in the Bucks right now are

457
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: probably our main competitors to making the finals right now.

458
00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 1: So you are a deal maker. We are seeing a

459
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: barrage of young gms in the NFL. They're deal makers

460
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: where their predecessors weren't. Um are you? Jerry West says

461
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: he couldn't sleep for weeks the Shack deal. He's like,

462
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: he just it was unnerving. It It was physically discomforting.

463
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: When you make a trade. Do you hover over it?

464
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: Is it analytics? Do you sleep on it? Or do

465
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: you go with your instincts? Tell me your process? Yeah,

466
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: as you might expect, based very it's it's an agonizing,

467
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: you know, slog of you know, checking out every angle.

468
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: Oh well, now this player, if we get him, will

469
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Speaker 1: now get pushed to the three instead of the two.

470
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: And how will that impact things? And yeah, well we

471
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: still have the room in two years to make this

472
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Speaker 1: kind of move and what is the actual guy or

473
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Speaker 1: that draft picked in that draft, let's look at the

474
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Speaker 1: high school players two years out. You know, there's just

475
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Speaker 1: a lot a lot to it, um and but at

476
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it ends up being a

477
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: lot of mostly superfluous work. Like it does come down to, like,

478
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: you know, that player that we're getting, he's great, and

479
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: you know, let's we'll make the rest of it work

480
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: essentially on those big deals. Yeah, you you are a

481
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: little bit of a dealmaker that way. Um, do you

482
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: believe if I said how many teams? It's almost it

483
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: would almost be strange if everybody wasn't into analytics at

484
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: this point, right, Like we all know in baseball it works.

485
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: But if I asked you, NBA, how many teams are

486
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: all in on analytics? Is it the whole league? No?

487
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: All in? I mean it depends how you defend all in,

488
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: but the most extreme all in, you're you're talking three

489
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: to five. Uh, you know, definitely use it as a tool.

490
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: You're at like eighteen to twenty. And then hey, his

491
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: attention to it is all thirty to your point. Yeah,

492
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: I mean to me, like I I compare it to

493
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: like Walmart moving in, Like you know, like if if

494
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: you're the general store and Walmart moves in, you might

495
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: still try to operate the same way, but you have

496
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: to be aware of you know that the dynamics have

497
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: changed in the sport. It is interesting when you face

498
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: the Warriors in Houston. I said this about the Kansas

499
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: City Chiefs. You don't want to chase points in football,

500
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: but Kansas City is different. You may have to. You

501
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: don't want to chase threes against the Warriors, but hell,

502
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: there were times you had to. You know, the old

503
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: cliche is we play our game, but when you were

504
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: going up against those great Warrior teams, there's never been

505
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: anything like Kade Stephen play together. Did you have to

506
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: throw out some classic basketball thoughts and say, we may

507
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: chase point, we have to increase our threes. Yeah, generally

508
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: I think it's a mistake to target like one team.

509
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: But Golden State is the last team I think to

510
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: start the year in the NBA with you know, above

511
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: fifty percent title odds, Like the Lakers came into this

512
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: year at twenty one percent, which is more normal, that's

513
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: like more of a normal um And but the year

514
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: we were facing Golden State, most likely, you know, in

515
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals in twenty eighteen. We made a

516
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: conscious stuffort the entire year that our entire season was

517
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: going to be based on beating the Warriors, and we

518
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: would play suboptimal against teams in the regular season just

519
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: to be ready for Golden State. And that's why we

520
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: went to switch everything. That's why we were three heavy. Now,

521
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: a lot of these things work against most teams too,

522
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: but the reality is everything we did was to be

523
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: prepared for them, and obviously, you know, got close, but

524
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: didn't didn't pull it off. Yeah. By the way, was

525
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: that an easy cell to the franchise? It was because

526
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: they eliminated us, I think five years in a row.

527
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, See, I was like, we should like really

528
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: get good at being the team we have never been.

529
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: You know how, how how punitive? How painful were the

530
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: losses there? I would say extremely. I mean, you know, uh,

531
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: you're very good at your job, arguably the peak, the

532
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: pinnacle guy in the industry. Um, I like to be

533
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: there someday, and I think without a title, you never

534
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: have it so pretty painful. Yeah. So now for you,

535
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: you're a tennis player, you've got kids, my people, Being

536
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: an NBA executive's really hard um, but you tend to

537
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: be UM. You have your own spirit, you have your

538
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: own kind of belief system. You're you're, you have a

539
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: grateful dead feel to you that you're there's there's more

540
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: to life than uh, you know, the meal ticket. What

541
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: How do you find moments of personal joy as you

542
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: seek professional success? How does that look for you? That's deep,

543
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: that's deep, calm. Yeah, and I'm thrilled to be talking

544
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: to you today after you're you're you're scared there that

545
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: sounded that sounded real scary. It makes you take a

546
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: step back and think I had a I had a

547
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: heart scare like that. Nowhere near that. But yeah, anyway,

548
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: real happy to real happy that this this, this this

549
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: pulled off. I would say I've found that it gets

550
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: It's gotten harder and harder for me to um find

551
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: joy in the actual gameplay of our team. I love

552
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: watching other teams, but watching our team, I just see

553
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: the problems that things still need to fix to win

554
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: the title. So I've I've I've lost a little joy

555
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: in that I still have the joy and like trying

556
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: to help the team and how do we find players

557
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: that can can fit that? But I I love the

558
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: doc Rivers is here and and and and he can

559
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: find the joy and the grind of getting the most

560
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: out of each player. In terms of off the court,

561
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: I find a lot of joy there. I you know,

562
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: I think having like healthy other interests allows you to

563
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: be more creative and your your regular job and so

564
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: as you know, I do a lot of stuff with

565
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: musicals and chests and weird. Yeah. So when you look

566
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: at the sixers, where don't you see joy? Where is

567
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: the tweaking Daryl Morey thing? I need a shooter, I

568
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: need another rim protector? What what? What do you see

569
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: that concerns you? I would I would say, well, I

570
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: have a lot of things that concern me. But the

571
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: things that that that hurt me the most is, you know,

572
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: our defense is elite and we can make a better transition,

573
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: especially but our our offense. I only see when we

574
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, and coaches you this too, and we're when

575
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: we're not ex cuting, well, um, how much better we

576
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: can be? And then when we're not I want to

577
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: get mad. But a lot of what makes a good

578
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: offense is the free form, creativity, randomness of it, right,

579
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: And so that that's hard for me. I would, you know,

580
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: I did spend you know, just recently a bunch of

581
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: years in Houston where I knew every time down the court,

582
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: X is going to happen. And then if they guard us, why,

583
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna do Z. And if they guard us Q,

584
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna do PE and it's gonna be a good

585
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: thing every time. And so that, you know, that's just

586
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, in a that's just not reality, Like like

587
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: we need randomness and creativity in our offense and it's

588
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: gonna set us up well for the playoffs. Listen, Ben's

589
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: not gonna ever be a great shooter. It's okay, there's

590
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: other things he's you know, Listen, he's a six ten guard.

591
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: He's a tremendous defender. He gets the ball to shooters,

592
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: he attacks the rim. He's a matchup nightmare for most guards. Um,

593
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, instead of trying to fix or find into

594
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: solution for the shooting thing, have you moved off that

595
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: and understand we're just gonna find him pieces that work

596
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: with him one hundred percent? Actually you know it. You know,

597
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: I think Doc and I talk about this a lot,

598
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: and I think Doc's done a great job with Ben. Look,

599
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: you want to play to your strengths. He shoots like

600
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: sixty percent at the rim, and he gets to the

601
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: rim at will. Why would you do much else? Like right,

602
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: he finds super efficient three point He's the number one

603
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: three point assist guy in the league on a team

604
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: that doesn't shoot a ton of threes. It shows you

605
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: how well he gets it on time and on target,

606
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: how well he collapses the d to find those shooters.

607
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: You know, yes, if it's three left on the clock

608
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: and he's wide open, is he gonna take it? He is?

609
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: And he has this year and he's made he's made

610
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: something so um, But like why would we want him

611
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: to change who he is? And you know, Doc Head,

612
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: Rondo and Boston they're very different players. But you can

613
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: use a player in different ways to play of their

614
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: strengths and it doesn't just have to be what people

615
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: always perceive. So game tonight, Blazers sixers, You ever want

616
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: to ditch that suit and just wear a tie dye

617
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: shirt and go to the game. It's a little stuffy.

618
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: The NBA like suits for their executives. I already never

619
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: do that, so that I'm pariah. Yeah, I don't. I

620
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: don't I wear T shirts. If I wear a suit jacket.

621
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: I wear T shirts like thank you underneath. Yeah, so

622
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm there with you. I do want Doc to have

623
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: to wear a uniform though. I want to go to

624
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: the baseball and make them all and you have to

625
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: wear a uniform from your era, so he's got to

626
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: wear the eighties short shorts and all that. So we

627
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: put Portland tomorrow, Oh, Portland tomorrow. Yeah, oh, but this

628
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: is yeah, who the hell knows these days, right, It's

629
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: just we'll just edit it. You know. We try to

630
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: be honest with our audience. But at some point, when

631
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: I can get Darryl Morey, I figure out a time

632
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: I interview you'll we put the podcast up. All right,

633
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: it's great talking to you next time you're in Los Angeles.

634
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: I no longer live in Manhattan Beach. I moved up

635
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: to brett Wood, so so now I'm in a swanky

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Speaker 1: I would love that. It would be amazing. And I

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Speaker 1: you know what is great about Nick. We agree on nothing,

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Speaker 1: and yet we're so close. We agree on virtually nothing,

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Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a marriage, Like we don't

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Speaker 1: all right, Daryl, great stuff. I want to thank Daryl

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