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Speaker 2: All right, We're ready to go. John Middlecoff three inn out,
Speaker 2: former NFL scout. So my first take was of all
Speaker 2: the young quarterbacks, bo Nicks look exactly like I thought
Speaker 2: bow Nix was going to look like. And the Broncos
Speaker 2: quarterback out of Auburn and Oregon because he had so
Speaker 2: many college starts, you kind of know what he is
Speaker 2: and what I think I mean. I think the Drew
Speaker 2: Brees comp because of Sean Payton feels kind of accurate.
Speaker 2: He's certainly right now more mobile than Drew Brees was
Speaker 2: at the end of his career. But my take on
Speaker 2: bow Nicks was that's exactly what Sean had texted me,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what I saw in college. No big surprises.
Speaker 2: You're a former scout, what'd you see?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think him and Michael Pennix are two guys
Speaker 4: that played in college football for felt ten years and
Speaker 4: they played each other. It felt like what four or
Speaker 4: five times over the last eighteen months in massive games
Speaker 4: and starting with bow knicks, he got dinged a lot
Speaker 4: because of the offense he played in right through it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: parallel to the line of scrimmage all the time. It
Speaker 4: used to happen forever with the leech offensive guys, the
Speaker 4: spread offense, you know, Hawaii, Mike Leach, wherever he was
Speaker 4: then Oklahoma started. You didn't need a big arm quarterback.
Speaker 4: I remember watching him in college going. I think his
Speaker 4: arm's a little bit better than the way he's getting
Speaker 4: I would say, kind of pigeonholed as a player, and
Speaker 4: you watch him today. I don't want to say he's
Speaker 4: you know, he's not Brett fahrv or Josh Allen, but
Speaker 4: his arm strength is well above average in the NFL,
Speaker 4: and that touchdown pass he had was in and out
Speaker 4: of his hands in the corner of the end zone,
Speaker 4: hitting the guy accurately at the front of the pylon.
Speaker 4: It doesn't get any better than that, the velocity, the accuracy,
Speaker 4: how quick it is. And then obviously you see again
Speaker 4: Patrick Willis isn't exactly chasing him, but clearly his athleticism
Speaker 4: moving around translates he's and he's confident. Like that was
Speaker 4: the thing with Trey Lance when the Niners got him
Speaker 4: his athleticism, he wasn't confident in it because he had
Speaker 4: never been chased by the caliber of player. Bo Nicks
Speaker 4: has been playing the best of the best, like I said,
Speaker 4: for ten years in college and athleticism movement wise. Clearly
Speaker 4: what Sean Payton wanted to do and this didn't work
Speaker 4: out because he's not a quarterback, was a guy like
Speaker 4: Taysom Hill who could move around and throw. You know,
Speaker 4: Drew Brees was stagnant in the pocket. Now he's great
Speaker 4: at it. But the modern day football, you have to
Speaker 4: be able to move to throw. I don't need you
Speaker 4: to be Lamar Jackson, but you've got to be able
Speaker 4: to keep plays alive. You notice all these rookie quarterbacks athletic,
Speaker 4: and they all can throw on the move, and bo
Speaker 4: Nicks clearly can and I know Sean kind of old
Speaker 4: school not naming the starter had him down. This thing's over. Okay,
Speaker 4: I don't even know who the Broncos play week one.
Speaker 4: He's your starting quarterback week one. You agree with that,
Speaker 4: and this thing will play itself out, you know, I
Speaker 4: think you want to make him earn it. Sean is
Speaker 4: not one of these new age thirty eight year old
Speaker 4: offensive coordinators. Yeah, but this thing played itself out today
Speaker 4: in front of everyone's eyes, like there's no point putting.
Speaker 4: It'd be one thing if they had Peyton Manning or something.
Speaker 4: This Jared stid him like this, this thing's.
Speaker 2: A rand, come on well. And the other thing, he
Speaker 2: looked more comfortable in the pocket one of his backups,
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson did in any game in New York. His
Speaker 2: feet were great, he was set. That's a lot of
Speaker 2: it's just college starts. And the other thing is he
Speaker 2: played in the SEC, so that's the best defensive conference easily,
Speaker 2: and then when he went to the Pac twelve, that's
Speaker 2: probably the best the Pac twelve has been in my lifetime.
Speaker 2: I mean, Washington was good, Oregon was good, you tah
Speaker 2: and thump. Oregon State was good. USC could score Arizona
Speaker 2: won seven in a row and beat Oklahoma in a
Speaker 2: bowl game. The conference was really.
Speaker 4: UCLA was good on defense these last couple of years.
Speaker 4: They had a top fifteen pass rusher.
Speaker 2: So I bow Nick's you know, you say, oh, we
Speaker 2: went to the Pac twelve. No, this Pac twelve. Arizona
Speaker 2: the basketball school reeled off seven straight and beat Oklahoma
Speaker 2: in a bowl game. It was a real Oregon State
Speaker 2: was really good at the end of the year. It's like, guys,
Speaker 2: this and you know the edit thing about bowl When
Speaker 2: I watched him twice. I saw him play Washington Oregon
Speaker 2: in person. I saw him at the forty end zone.
Speaker 2: And then I went two weeks later, I think it
Speaker 2: was or whatever it was. I went to the Utah
Speaker 2: game and I got like second row seats. I called
Speaker 2: the buddy. I got right down the field, right behind
Speaker 2: the Oregon bench because I wanted to watch he and Penix.
Speaker 2: And he's more cut than you think he's He's ripped
Speaker 2: and he is really verbal on the sideline. Dad's a coach.
Speaker 2: And then I met him in person for about an
Speaker 2: hour forty five minute interview, forty minute interview before and
Speaker 2: after the show. I was just blown away by him.
Speaker 2: And then I got a couple early texts from Sean
Speaker 2: Pateon and I was like, this kid's really working. And
Speaker 2: the other thing about him is there is something to
Speaker 2: be said about seeing the field. We've always said this
Speaker 2: was Zach Wilson and justin fields, they just don't see it.
Speaker 2: It just takes a beat too long. Bo sees the field.
Speaker 2: And some of this is not only did he play
Speaker 2: at two schools. I believe he had five different coordinators
Speaker 2: in five years. It could be four, but I think
Speaker 2: it's five. So John, this kid has had to pick up.
Speaker 2: We've never seen this kid have the same system back
Speaker 2: to back. Here.
Speaker 4: Well, think about this, Colin, and we've talked about this
Speaker 4: many times. All the best quarterbacks right now in the
Speaker 4: NFL have struggled at points in time early in their career.
Speaker 4: A lot of them in college. Mahomes was on a
Speaker 4: team getting their ass kicked by any good team right
Speaker 4: did not have any Josh Allen baked schools like Fresno
Speaker 4: State for a scholarship. They said no thanks. Lamar got
Speaker 4: drafted thirty second in a draft that had a bunch
Speaker 4: of quarterbacks. His own team drafted another player before they
Speaker 4: drafted him justin Herbert was kind of an afterthought after
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow into a tonguea by Lowe. So you look
Speaker 4: at this class. Bo Nicks got beat up bad when
Speaker 4: he was in the SEC and had to transfer, and
Speaker 4: clearly it changed his career. Right, So you see a
Speaker 4: lot of these guys. You know, Caleb is one guy
Speaker 4: that had a lot of success, but I think this
Speaker 4: class is full of guys that had to struggle, and he,
Speaker 4: to me, is at the top of the way. Him
Speaker 4: and Penix I mean had to transfer, were not viewed
Speaker 4: as first round picks by any means at the time
Speaker 4: they transferred and really had to earn it. And both
Speaker 4: those two guys, I mean, Bo was awesome. I mean
Speaker 4: in college obviously statistically he was incredible. Now, it's a
Speaker 4: little inflated the way people play. It's why that any
Speaker 4: coach will tell you, Okay, he throws a bunch, you know,
Speaker 4: parallel to the line of scrimmage. When I evaluate him,
Speaker 4: we don't watch those passes. I think Sean said that
Speaker 4: I cut those out and we evaluate everything past the
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage, the timing, the rhythm, the accuracy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I was pretty blown away. I mean, I
Speaker 4: was bullish on him just because of his coach, but
Speaker 4: his physical skills. That's the other thing. Him and Caleb
Speaker 4: Bright aren't super tall, and it stands out when you
Speaker 4: see him. They're not six four sixty five. Both of
Speaker 4: them are thick, both of them are built. Russell, who's
Speaker 4: shorter than those guys, had that same thing early on.
Speaker 4: You're like, well, he looks like an NFL guy physically. Kyler,
Speaker 4: who's even shorter in that also built, and that matters.
Speaker 4: And that's like watching Jayden, very physically gifted, throws a
Speaker 4: beautiful ball.
Speaker 2: But god, he's skinny.
Speaker 4: And bo Nicks has this innate ability because he's been
Speaker 4: a runner his whole life and he played in the SEC.
Speaker 4: He's not playing heroball. Get out of bounds, get down
Speaker 4: like I'm getting Caleb yesterday had a great slide, like
Speaker 4: you can't be running around JJ McCarthy yesterday had a run.
Speaker 2: There were two defenders.
Speaker 4: He kind of lowered his shoulders like you can't do this.
Speaker 4: And I understand John Lynch and Steve Atwater the game
Speaker 4: has changed, but that's the only time when these defenders
Speaker 4: they can't hit you. All preseason because the starters don't
Speaker 4: play joint practices. There's no tackling the ragular season game
Speaker 4: for seventeen of them. When you cross that line of
Speaker 4: scrimmage and you're erect, they're coming at you. And I
Speaker 4: know these guys are a little smaller, they've never been faster.
Speaker 4: So these linebackers now, they don't wait two sixty. They
Speaker 4: weigh two twenty eight or two thirty four. They're running
Speaker 4: four four fours and they will destroy that. They'll break
Speaker 4: your collarbone, they'll break your leg.
Speaker 2: So well, that's what happened to Baker Mayfield that when
Speaker 2: he got his collarbone broken, he tried to size up
Speaker 2: a safety. I think it was kar ran over him.
Speaker 4: Can't do it. I remember early on in Derek Carr's
Speaker 4: career he tried to stiff arm pac Man Jones. Luck
Speaker 4: he didn't break his hand.
Speaker 2: He hurt his thumb.
Speaker 4: You cannot these guys, And I think bo Nick's very
Speaker 4: unique situation. Wouldn't you say to go to a coach
Speaker 4: like this with the experience he has, But to me,
Speaker 4: the physical skills were pretty god it. I guess I
Speaker 4: didn't quite realize how strong his arm was. It jumped
Speaker 4: off the TV this morning.
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about Caleb Williams of the Bears.
Speaker 2: So Jordan Palmer was on my show. I think it
Speaker 2: was Thursday, and I thought he made a really good point.
Speaker 2: I said, you know my criticism if I have one
Speaker 2: of Caleb, he can be a little erratic. I talked
Speaker 2: to two gms in the league about Caleb. They didn't
Speaker 2: need him, they have quarterbacks, and they both said he
Speaker 2: can be a little erratic. You know, sometimes he gets
Speaker 2: a bit sloppy. Mahomes does, or did early in his career. Mechanically,
Speaker 2: you know, Patrick's running around, he just gets a little
Speaker 2: backyard football. Ye, And both the gms I talked to
Speaker 2: with Caleb said he just just has to get more
Speaker 2: in rhythm, which he said, I think in the pros
Speaker 2: he won't run around as much. He's a smart kid.
Speaker 2: He'll figure out I don't want to get hit. The
Speaker 2: second thing is sometimes he's a little bit of a playmaker,
Speaker 2: a little bit of an ad libber. But Jordan Palmer said, listen,
Speaker 2: he got bored with college. He was the Heisman winner
Speaker 2: right his first year at USC, and then USC can't
Speaker 2: stop anybody his second year and he's like, Okay, and terrible,
Speaker 2: and he's like, we're not a national championship team. And
Speaker 2: Jordan said, when I watched him, I saw a guy
Speaker 2: that was bored out of his mind. And I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of truth to that. So when you
Speaker 2: get bored, you lose focus. When you lose focus in
Speaker 2: any job, you get a little sloppy. I thought Caleb
Speaker 2: was a little sloppy last year. And I think sometimes
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, because of the offensive line, really struggled with
Speaker 2: what to call. And I heard that inside the program.
Speaker 2: It's like Lincoln just didn't trust the protection. So he's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not getting Caleb Williams hurt. I'm not getting it,
Speaker 2: you know, because Caleb was He came all the way
Speaker 2: out to USC first year, got pretty good protection, wins
Speaker 2: the highest. But I think Lincoln feels like, you know
Speaker 2: what it's worth it, this is gonna be great by
Speaker 2: the second year. Halfway through it. I think Lincoln, what
Speaker 2: I was told is Lincoln just there's things Lincoln wouldn't call.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to get him hurt. And so I
Speaker 2: think go back to the previous year, that's the Caleb
Speaker 2: Williams you're going to see in Chicago, which is focused runs.
Speaker 2: The play can have live if he has to. But
Speaker 2: Jordan's whole point was don't judge too much. In the
Speaker 2: last five or six USC games, team was terrible. He
Speaker 2: was bored ad lib in a little bit more than
Speaker 2: he probably will in real life. So what's your thought
Speaker 2: on that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think if you go and watch
Speaker 4: every play that he had in that preseason game, he
Speaker 4: showed every tool in the toolbox. I mean, my mother
Speaker 4: could see that play that he made roll into his
Speaker 4: right that he threw to comment, that's as good as
Speaker 4: it gets. I mean, that's Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. But
Speaker 4: the play that he made, the little dump off the swift,
Speaker 4: I don't think we talk enough about instincts as a quarterback.
Speaker 4: Some guys have him and some guys don't. And that
Speaker 4: means feel in the pocket. That means to know when
Speaker 4: it's not going to go well and I got rid
Speaker 4: of the ball immediately, or when I can keep a
Speaker 4: play alive. And I think the new trait that every
Speaker 4: team looks for is the scramble to throw and keep
Speaker 4: plays alive. But to scramble to throw, you need a
Speaker 4: good arm. It's what Aaron Rodgers built a Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame career on he could throw outside the tackle box
Speaker 4: ropes accurately. And that's what Kayleb william can do in spades,
Speaker 4: because let's face it, all these teams in the NFL
Speaker 4: now multiple most teams have multiple sweet pass rushers. There
Speaker 4: aren't as many good offensive linemen in the league anymore.
Speaker 4: So you've got to be able to move. And he's
Speaker 4: accurate in the arm. Strength is just elite. Like you said,
Speaker 4: he's gonna have a little hero ball, but how could
Speaker 4: you not have hero ball if that's the skill that
Speaker 4: he has. I mean, Patrick Mahomesry, he had to get
Speaker 4: older and realize that we can play a little different.
Speaker 4: But early on, like I want him to bring that
Speaker 4: to the table because he's accurate throwing the ball downfield.
Speaker 4: If he has to move, now there's a difference of
Speaker 4: something was open, you didn't need to do that, but
Speaker 4: like nothing was there. Your guard gets smoked, you gotta move.
Speaker 4: But he made he did it all. He threw a
Speaker 4: sweet play I think on like the second or third
Speaker 4: pass of the game from the pocket. He had the
Speaker 4: crazy instinctive play to swift. He had the play on
Speaker 4: the move the other thing, and they I don't know
Speaker 4: if you saw hard knocks yet, but they they kind
Speaker 4: of did this silly thing where they brought it a
Speaker 4: slip and slide to teach the quarterbacks how to slide.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry that they were joking about it, but also
Speaker 4: kind of serious. It's important. His right arm is the
Speaker 4: franchise and he had to scramble where he slid, and
Speaker 4: he's gonna have I would say, depending on the game,
Speaker 4: anywhere from two to five could be second, and eight
Speaker 4: could be third and eight. He can scramble for ten
Speaker 4: yards and pick up a first down. But when you
Speaker 4: scramble and you're not by the sideline, you gott to
Speaker 4: fucking hit the ground and you gotta slide because they
Speaker 4: can't touch you, and the defenders know it. When you
Speaker 4: stay up and JJ McCarthy did in the game, and
Speaker 4: a lot of quarterbacks do it, you're gonna get clipped
Speaker 4: and you're gonna get clipped hard. So if you're doing that,
Speaker 4: he can stay healthy because he can avoid well. His
Speaker 4: short area of quickness is just elite. And then the army.
Speaker 4: He doesn't need much space to get that thing off.
Speaker 2: Oh no, very mahomes like cognitively see get rid of
Speaker 2: it fast, and Frey Marino at USC he sees it
Speaker 2: it's out fast. The other thing is Kyler and Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson werel was great sliders because they were baseball players. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were great. Lamar was terrible his first two years.
Speaker 4: I mean he still kind of plops. He's not natural
Speaker 4: at it.
Speaker 2: He kind of jumps and sets, but he but he learned.
Speaker 4: How to avoid the hits. You can just get down,
Speaker 4: that's right.
Speaker 2: So I think some of that is Caleb, is it is?
Speaker 2: I mean, Russell Wilson and Kyler were just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: they've slid in a second a lot. This is obviously
Speaker 2: the way they do it. Herbert was terrible his first
Speaker 2: two years. Like, dude, you're six ' five. You can't
Speaker 2: go straight on an outside linebacker. I mean he'd goes
Speaker 2: shoulder high and a guy Josh Allen, So I think yeah. So,
Speaker 2: I mean the other thing with Caleb, and by the way,
Speaker 2: this was Jordan Love. Jordan Love had a better year
Speaker 2: the year before he came out, and then he lost
Speaker 2: the coordinator. Remember that he lost the coordinator, he lost
Speaker 2: a coach, he lost people. He was not very good
Speaker 2: as awful. So the Packers went to the previous year
Speaker 2: video and went, yeah, that's that's who he is. And
Speaker 2: so you take the best of what you saw because obviously,
Speaker 2: if you lose a coach at Utah State, you may
Speaker 2: get If you have three coordinators at Utah State, two
Speaker 2: may stink, one may be okay. So when he had
Speaker 2: his best coaches, Green Bay looks at that and goes, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's what he can be because our coaches are great offensively.
Speaker 2: So I think with Caleb, you go back a year
Speaker 2: and go, oh, and the old line was healthy. He'd
Speaker 2: come over and Lincoln was not afraid. Remember that year
Speaker 2: if they beat Tulane, they went twelve games. They were
Speaker 2: really really smoking that year. The second year, I think
Speaker 2: just I mean, I was told this, Lincoln just he didn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't. It was a different play calling year, a
Speaker 2: different sensibility with Kleb, and it was he just wanted
Speaker 2: to make sure he didn't get hurt.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people in one talking point
Speaker 4: in football is his arm strength a little overrated? And
Speaker 4: then you watch Caleb play, and you watch Mahomes, and
Speaker 4: you watch Josh Allen or Herbert and you just go bs,
Speaker 4: it's just not now. Greg Maddox is one of the
Speaker 4: greatest pitchers of all time. He did not throw that hard,
Speaker 4: but most of the other greats, Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson,
Speaker 4: Pedro was blowing ninety seven. You kind of got to
Speaker 4: throw hard. And you know, Perty can get away with
Speaker 4: it a little bit because his offensive scheme is so
Speaker 4: great and he's a good athlete. He can scramble. But
Speaker 4: Peyton Manning's one of the most accurate players in the
Speaker 4: history of the sport. Arm strength matchs and it always
Speaker 4: has and it always will and you see these plays
Speaker 4: and you only see it even more once the regular
Speaker 4: season starts. All these former quarterbacks talk about the the
Speaker 4: kind of space in college relative to the NFL, of
Speaker 4: what's open. Things happen quick. A lot of things get
Speaker 4: screwed up and you got an ad lib and that
Speaker 4: even puts more pressure on your arm. It ultimately can
Speaker 4: be the downfall of some of these guys that can't
Speaker 4: scramble and don't have a great arm. Like Cousins and
Speaker 4: Golf are good examples. When it's perfect, they can destroy you.
Speaker 4: They can have four or five touchdowns on you. But
Speaker 4: if you can throw them off they can't move, and
Speaker 4: then they can't throw very hard on the move. So
Speaker 4: it's a major problem. Watch you watch the modern day football,
Speaker 4: the modern day football player who's having a lot of
Speaker 4: success in the NBA. What is it. You gotta shoot threes?
Speaker 4: You better be able to scramble and throw ropes because
Speaker 4: these all these young coaches want to get you on
Speaker 4: the move. And even when they're not getting you on
Speaker 4: the move, because more than likely you're gonna have two
Speaker 4: or three offensive linemen that they would gladly rep if
Speaker 4: they could, you're going to be running for your life.
Speaker 4: And a lot of these the good ones keep their
Speaker 4: eyes up, scramble and throw and Caleb, it's like geez
Speaker 4: it was to get up on Saturday morning and watch
Speaker 4: in the Bill. I mean, vos score was like thirty
Speaker 4: three to six. The Bills clearly didn't even care. But
Speaker 4: just to watch his physical attribute, you're like, Wow, I don't.
Speaker 2: Want to talk about San Francisco the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: So I think I told you. I was told by
Speaker 2: a player I trust two weeks ago I was going
Speaker 2: to be a Niner. He's a I wouldn't say, I
Speaker 2: don't know what the word is he's young, he's a kid,
Speaker 2: he's emotional, he's a receiver, and so he had told
Speaker 2: a friend of mine, I'm getting this thing done. Then
Speaker 2: something went sideways. He got pissed off, the Niners got
Speaker 2: pissed off at his So my take was my source
Speaker 2: was probably right, and then I got pissed off, the
Speaker 2: Niners got upset, and it just blew up. Now it
Speaker 2: appears they've circled back. Is that what you're hearing.
Speaker 4: I think the Niners drew a line in the sand
Speaker 4: said you want to dance, let's dance. They had two
Speaker 4: trades ready to go, with contracts ready for him, and
Speaker 4: he got cold feet, slash. I don't want to play there,
Speaker 4: which I guess is his prerogative. But it's like, you
Speaker 4: demand to trade thirty one. Teams can't trade for you.
Speaker 4: We have to get fair value. The Amari Cooper in
Speaker 4: a second round pick. That's a good deal. Amari Cooper's
Speaker 4: pretty productive player. The Niners like, you go to Cleveland.
Speaker 4: They have twenty eight million dollars and then he says no.
Speaker 4: So to me, it feels like a guy who's gotten
Speaker 4: a little over his skis. He does he really want
Speaker 4: to leave San Francisco. Of course not because you're a
Speaker 4: star with the Niners and he's a West Coast guy,
Speaker 4: grew up in Reno when high school in Sack played
Speaker 4: at Arizona State. Has become a well known name. But
Speaker 4: got so emotional by this number. And let's face it,
Speaker 4: the Niners drive a hard bargain. They had a number,
Speaker 4: and they didn't flinch because also, you're not a free agent.
Speaker 4: We don't have to trade you anywhere. I want to
Speaker 4: go to the Steelers. Well yeah, they could get in theory,
Speaker 4: I guess they could give you our their first round pick,
Speaker 4: but what good does that do us Week one against
Speaker 4: the Jets That that's a player that does not exist
Speaker 4: for another eight months. First round picks or having two
Speaker 4: of them are incredible in February, March, and April. They
Speaker 4: do good teams, no good during the season. That's why
Speaker 4: ideally you make that trade before the combine. Well, guess
Speaker 4: what the Niners probably tried. No one was offering that
Speaker 4: at the time. Why great wide receiver draft? Why am
Speaker 4: I going to trade you my first round pick? When
Speaker 4: I get a wide receiver, is gonna start at a
Speaker 4: number Instead of paying a guy twenty eight million I
Speaker 4: get the ideally or in a perfect world, the similar
Speaker 4: player for four right, just basic economics, and I think
Speaker 4: he overplayed his hand. And the Niners are like, listen,
Speaker 4: we had these deals, they were the ones we'd accept.
Speaker 4: Those are the teams. Everyone knows you're on the block.
Speaker 4: No one else is coling, no one else has the money.
Speaker 4: You want to go to the Steelers. They have nothing
Speaker 4: to give us back. This has to be It takes
Speaker 4: two to tango. Here. There's two sides, and we don't
Speaker 4: want their draft picks. They're not giving us TJ. Watt,
Speaker 4: so that ain't happening. Here's our number. What are you
Speaker 4: gonna do? Not play? We want to give you a contract.
Speaker 4: No one feels bad for him, and he's emotional. I
Speaker 4: can't imagine being twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, have
Speaker 4: this money, like the number that you think you're. His
Speaker 4: value on their team is a lot different than some
Speaker 4: of these guys making twenty nine million dollars. They don't
Speaker 4: play like that, and I just think they're kind of
Speaker 4: at a crossroads. But he does. I guess he has
Speaker 4: the leverage, just not practice. He can demand a trade
Speaker 4: all he wants. But if John and Kyle don't want
Speaker 4: to trade him. He's not getting traded. Ideally, I think
Speaker 4: they want to avoid this, right, they don't want this,
Speaker 4: but they're not just gonna give him away because that's
Speaker 4: the easy thing to do. So he's kind of stuck,
Speaker 4: and it's they're pissed off. I know that obviously he's
Speaker 4: he's well established that he's mad. They're mad. And this
Speaker 4: is kind of a joke now because at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, Bosa was gonna kind of get over
Speaker 4: on them. He had all the average, he's the best player.
Speaker 4: He was going to get a ton. They go, listen,
Speaker 4: you're really good, but DJ Moore has been a lot
Speaker 4: better than you. For six years playing with Coward and
Speaker 4: middle Cooff as his quarterback, you've had productive quarterbacks and
Speaker 4: you're never going to catch more Navy balls here. So
Speaker 4: the ROI and R investment, if we give you thirty
Speaker 4: million dollars is kind of a doesn't make a lot
Speaker 4: of sense. And that's where I think they're kind of
Speaker 4: stuck looking at each other. I still believe he's gonna
Speaker 4: end up on the Niners, but I think he might
Speaker 4: be a first player in NFL history who sounds like
Speaker 4: a four year, hundred million dollar deal and is mad
Speaker 4: at the Dais when he gives his press conference. Well
Speaker 4: get ready for that.
Speaker 2: Well, there's also a reality that receivers in this league
Speaker 2: not named Jefferson Chase, Davonte Adams. This league is furnished
Speaker 2: about thirty receivers a year out of college, and about
Speaker 2: ten are productive immediately. But every other team, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you go to the last decade, wide receivers are
Speaker 2: walking into this league out of college guys like Puka Nakua,
Speaker 2: Tank Dell, mid round guys, and you're like, shit, that
Speaker 2: that guy's a one. That guy's not even a two,
Speaker 2: he's a one. So the reality is the one position
Speaker 2: that is literally expanding, you know, because there's a lot
Speaker 2: of families outside of a Texas that aren't playing as
Speaker 2: much football. There's not as many high school football players
Speaker 2: today is ten years ago. There's not Moms are like
Speaker 2: a lot of moms southern California, LA. Forget it. You're
Speaker 2: an outcast if you let your kid by high school football,
Speaker 2: especially if you're west of the four h five Freeway,
Speaker 2: like all the you know, all the high end fallutin
Speaker 2: you know, coastal towns.
Speaker 4: So Malibum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hermosa Manhattan Beach in Brentwood, Pliah there does not.
Speaker 2: So my take is, but if you start looking at
Speaker 2: that position, there's fewer good running backs. You get about
Speaker 2: one good left tackle a year, maybe two one star quarterback,
Speaker 2: maybe two serviceable ones. I could argue if I went
Speaker 2: back and looked in the last decade, do we have
Speaker 2: eight receivers a year that come in here and stick.
Speaker 2: So it is hard unless you're like very top of
Speaker 2: the market. And by the way, if you're very top
Speaker 2: of the market, it's also discomforting. These guys now make
Speaker 2: thirty million dollars. Some gms are like, I mean, you
Speaker 2: better be able to do that on the rookie contract.
Speaker 2: You can't pay your quarterback and a receiver thirty large,
Speaker 2: like unless he's Jamar Chase. So I think it's one
Speaker 2: of these situations where they just if Trent Williams was
Speaker 2: in year three in his career and they had two
Speaker 2: more years not to pay him, I think you could
Speaker 2: be willing to push it. They can't win the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl in my opinion without Trent Williams's that's the roadblock
Speaker 2: here too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like you hit it on the supply
Speaker 4: and demand. Brandon a Yuk was drafted the end of
Speaker 4: the first round twenty seven. Debo who carried them to
Speaker 4: the NFC championship three years was a second round pick.
Speaker 4: I watched today. I had the Colts game on in
Speaker 4: the background, and the kid from Texas is making plays.
Speaker 4: He's a second round pick. So, like you said, every
Speaker 4: single year, obviously, first rounders, second, third, and fourth rounders
Speaker 4: are making plays all season long at that position. They
Speaker 4: cost him million dollars. If this was a real estate deal,
Speaker 4: it would have been over weeks ago. The Niners, you
Speaker 4: know this. They want two million. Niners are offering one
Speaker 4: point six. We ain't budget you're not budgeting. We go
Speaker 4: our separate ways. And that's kind of what's happened, except
Speaker 4: he's stuck on their team because he's under contract and
Speaker 4: their trump card is your fifth year options this year,
Speaker 4: and we have two franchise tags. We want to make
Speaker 4: this work, but this is our number. You're not a
Speaker 4: free agent. You are not a free agent, so you
Speaker 4: can sit out to win the season. You're gonna pass
Speaker 4: up fourteen million dollars. That's like he acts, and I
Speaker 4: think his side they think they got a bunch of leverage.
Speaker 4: There aren't a bunch of teams with a lot to
Speaker 4: give back. There was one the Browns, the Niners like
Speaker 4: that offer a Marii Cooper in the second round pick deal.
Speaker 4: And then he's like, no, well, you can't ask for
Speaker 4: a trade. This is in the NBA. You're not gonna
Speaker 4: dictate all the terms here. And I think that's what's
Speaker 4: made him mad and the forty Niners mack because he
Speaker 4: won't play ball, like, we are offering you a ton
Speaker 4: of money. You're immediately gonna be the highest paid player
Speaker 4: on a highly paid team. So yeah, DJ Morris, these
Speaker 4: guys make more. They do more for their team in
Speaker 4: terms of production. That's never gonna Kyle Shanahan's not gonna
Speaker 4: start playing like Andy Reid, right, That's not how they're
Speaker 4: gonna play. They're gonna run the ball. I think in
Speaker 4: a perfect world, party has like twenty six past attempts
Speaker 4: a game. That's what they're shooting for. They're not trying
Speaker 4: to play like forty three times he's like, well, I
Speaker 4: could be a star receiver. Well, on this team, we're
Speaker 4: willing to pay you, and you're gonna thrive and you
Speaker 4: can make a ton off. This is the forty nine
Speaker 4: ers are top two or three brand in the league.
Speaker 4: He makes a ton off the field.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring in my guest, Greg McElroy, the host
Speaker 2: of Always College Football, former Bama quarterback twenty ten national champ.
Speaker 2: I've said that we need to temper not only expectations
Speaker 2: but criticism of coaches when they go to schools. Look
Speaker 2: how long it took Dabo Sweeney or Jim Harbaugh. So
Speaker 2: when Harbaugh and Lincoln Riley are interesting comps, so we
Speaker 2: know they're both good coaches, nobody disputes that Jim had
Speaker 2: a longer resume. And obviously the transfer portal is a
Speaker 2: more vigorous. I mean, there were people transferring ten years ago,
Speaker 2: but not to the level now. The machine it is right,
Speaker 2: And I said, but if you really look at Brian
Speaker 2: Kelly and Harbaugh, you know they doubled the wins very quickly.
Speaker 2: But it was sort of pseudo. Not can't compete with
Speaker 2: Alabama Georgia, but they won the games they should have won.
Speaker 2: And Brian Kelly gets to Annatty and gets blown out,
Speaker 2: and Michigan, you know, would face Ohio State and it
Speaker 2: was fools gold. It took both about seven years, eight
Speaker 2: years to stockpile talent where they could play at Georgia
Speaker 2: Bama and the games are good and you could on
Speaker 2: television You're like, oh, there's pros on both sides. You know,
Speaker 2: the Manti t Notre Dame team in the National Championship,
Speaker 2: you know, it felt like it would have finished third
Speaker 2: in the PAC twelve. But a lot of it's scheduling.
Speaker 2: So I say, with Lincoln Riley, as bad as Notre
Speaker 2: Dame was in Michigan was, I don't think they were
Speaker 2: as bad as USC under Clay Hilton. Not only were
Speaker 2: they four and eight, but people inside the program believed
Speaker 2: they only had like twelve NFL maybe late round players.
Speaker 2: That it was Lincoln Riley identified after two practices, there's
Speaker 2: maybe thirty guys we can keep, and so by being
Speaker 2: a play away from twelve wins in his first season
Speaker 2: was fairly remarkable through those of us closer to the program.
Speaker 2: And then the second year they had injuries, Jordan Addison
Speaker 2: was gone and frankly, they just know NFL players, it
Speaker 2: was Caleb and they kind of shut him down once
Speaker 2: they lost a couple of games. They had a defensive
Speaker 2: coordinator completely over Ski. So my takeaway is this idea
Speaker 2: that USC was going to buy for national championships. They
Speaker 2: were way better year one than expectations. That's not really
Speaker 2: who they were. They were an early Notre Dameer Harbaugh team.
Speaker 2: You know, Harbaugh got from five to ten wins year
Speaker 2: one and won the national championship. Team USC couldn't beat
Speaker 2: any good teams. They were just beating the crappy teams
Speaker 2: on their schedule because of the wizardry of Caleb and
Speaker 2: the coaching of Lincoln. So my take is, I think
Speaker 2: we're being too unrealistic, even with a transfer portal to
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly right now in Lincoln, in that it's still
Speaker 2: the sport still comes down to high school recruiting in
Speaker 2: chemistry and culture, and you can't do it in two years.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, The problem is you've had guys that have
Speaker 1: ruined it for everybody, the Josh Heipels of the world
Speaker 1: that in year one progress year two game changer. Right.
Speaker 1: We've seen it with urban Meyer his second year at Florida,
Speaker 1: I believe they won the national championship, and we've seen
Speaker 1: it a handful of other times, saving at Alabama two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, six and six, six, seven and six,
Speaker 1: twenty eight, twelve and zero with the chance and the
Speaker 1: lead in the fourth quarter to go to the national title.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right. In normal circumstances, I think it
Speaker 1: takes four years to get a real evaluation on the
Speaker 1: trajectory of your team. That's my personal opinion. I understand
Speaker 1: that big dollars are in play here, and also along
Speaker 1: with I think Temper's player and egos are involved, and
Speaker 1: the collective doesn't feel like they're getting what they have
Speaker 1: paid for, they're going to be quicker to pull the trigger.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I completely agree with you
Speaker 1: and those that have said that Lincoln Riley is he's
Speaker 1: not he doesn't know what he's doing. He doesn't he's
Speaker 1: he's way out of his so far. I saw an
Speaker 1: analyst and national analyst call on the other day say, oh,
Speaker 1: his his tenure at SC has been a quote disaster.
Speaker 1: Well to be a win away from the college football
Speaker 1: Playoff in year one with the Heisman Trophy winner, sign
Speaker 1: me up for that disaster.
Speaker 2: Sure, most of the wee NFL two NFL players, one
Speaker 2: of them Caleb was a sophomore. I mean that team
Speaker 2: had no talent.
Speaker 1: And he did a great job with him. The one
Speaker 1: thing that does concern me, and I've known Lincoln when
Speaker 1: I was a commit to Texas Tech. Lincoln picked me
Speaker 1: up at the airport. I've known him for twenty years,
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit close to home with me,
Speaker 1: and followed him to his years at East Carolina, followed
Speaker 1: him in his time at obviously Oklahoma. So I'm wanting
Speaker 1: what's best for him as a fan of his, and
Speaker 1: it's a fan of the sport. I think it's great
Speaker 1: when s he's relevant. So I acknowledge all that he's
Speaker 1: done offensively, But I don't know. This is my observation
Speaker 1: from a distance. I don't know if they practice the
Speaker 1: way they need to practice to be as good along
Speaker 1: both lines of scrimmage to compete for championships. And that's
Speaker 1: the only question I have. And will he be too
Speaker 1: proud to adjust maybe the amount of full contact periods
Speaker 1: that they have. Will they maybe do some things offensively
Speaker 1: in a drill setting that might give the defense a
Speaker 1: slight advantage. Will they do things like that to help
Speaker 1: attract more defensive personnel and to create a tougher, more
Speaker 1: physical mindset. Because I saw last year they were a
Speaker 1: little banged up in spring. This was spring of twenty three.
Speaker 1: They said, after like nine practices, Yeah, we're good. We're
Speaker 1: just gonna do you know, walk throughs or whatever. At
Speaker 1: Georgia They're like, I don't care if we have managers
Speaker 1: putting helmets on. We're practicing. So I think that's the
Speaker 1: mindset that I'm just a little concerned about. But I
Speaker 1: think the I think the Hey, the jury's out right now,
Speaker 1: and i'd be I'm actually really optimistic about SC this
Speaker 1: year more than most.
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Speaker 2: I think Oregon is something that we haven't seen out
Speaker 2: West since Pete Carroll and ed Orgeron. They've just done
Speaker 2: it differently. They've purchased big bodies, So I think Oregon
Speaker 2: stacks up in the train. I mean, they went out
Speaker 2: and they bought the best left tackle on the West
Speaker 2: Coast in the last several years. Two years ago he started,
Speaker 2: they've went, and Phil Knight has essentially said, before I die,
Speaker 2: I won a national championship, and I'll spend whatever it takes.
Speaker 2: People talk about the Texas nil Oregon's is unlimited. They'll
Speaker 2: just buy whatever they have to. That's really how it's done.
Speaker 2: USC's is thirteen million. I have that on thirteen million.
Speaker 2: Depending on the ascension of the program, it could get
Speaker 2: to fifteen. But USC's fine. They're not Texas, they're not
Speaker 2: A and M, they're not Ohio State, they're maybe not Georgia.
Speaker 2: They're not Oregon for sure. So I think Oregon has
Speaker 2: purchased and this is not a criticism. Is all legal
Speaker 2: now right right, they've gone. First of all, their marketing
Speaker 2: is enhanced, even with Mario Crystaball they're recruiting to me
Speaker 2: is the best on the West coast, the best on
Speaker 2: the West coast. USC's is consistently second because of the
Speaker 2: name brand. But Oregon's been recruiting the West coast crystal
Speaker 2: Ball landing very well. If they want a receiver or
Speaker 2: a dB, they get them. If there's a top edge rusher,
Speaker 2: they just get them. They own the Northwest mostly for
Speaker 2: the players they want. It's a very weak recruiting year
Speaker 2: in my opinion in the West coast this year, especially
Speaker 2: the Northwest. I think they match up fine. I think
Speaker 2: eye test Texas looks really big. When they faced Alabama
Speaker 2: last year the last couple of years, I looked at
Speaker 2: it and I thought, God, this is what Alabama looks
Speaker 2: like the last ten years against everybody else. You're like man,
Speaker 2: Texas passes the eye test. I think the I think
Speaker 2: Oregon's going to beat Ohio State in Eugene because I
Speaker 2: think Dan Lanning has done something that I didn't think
Speaker 2: a Southern guy was going to do with no head
Speaker 2: coaching experience. He's immediately I know what Oregon is. I
Speaker 2: really do they play their They're a little Detroit Lions, relentless,
Speaker 2: they play hard. They got I think privately they would
Speaker 2: admit Kaylan de boorr Out coached him and Washington had
Speaker 2: a bizarre set of great offensive talent, almost no NFL bodies,
Speaker 2: and they matched up with Oregon. I mean, frankly, Pennis
Speaker 2: beat ball uh Adunze. Oregon wasn't getting beat because they
Speaker 2: were being fooled it's just it was just a bad matchup.
Speaker 2: I said it before Washington was gonna beat Texas, they
Speaker 2: were not gonna beat Michigan is and so I think
Speaker 2: it was I think I watched Oregon play Washington twice
Speaker 2: once live. I thought Oregon had more good players. I
Speaker 2: just thought Washington was a terrible matchup. So I think
Speaker 2: Oregon matches up with Ohio State, and I think if
Speaker 2: you match up with Ohio State, you match up with everybody.
Speaker 2: I think Alabama's underrated. I think Kayland Boor is magnificent.
Speaker 2: I think you know what he is reminds me of
Speaker 2: he's really Chris Peterson, where he does have some Peterson
Speaker 2: vibes for sure, where you're like, they will never be
Speaker 2: out coached at Alabama. Ever, there are games with Nick
Speaker 2: Saban where I felt if you had a quarterback that
Speaker 2: was good off script, you could frustrate Nick. I didn't
Speaker 2: think he was out coached. I thought there were things
Speaker 2: Nick did better than other coaches. Klin de Boor it's
Speaker 2: almost magical, like Washington's talent on the defensive side is
Speaker 2: they had an interior defensive lineman who I think the
Speaker 2: Rams got undrafted free free agent.
Speaker 1: I mean Tully Nasan, noa. They just have any talent.
Speaker 1: So a lot of it was magical. And Chris Peterson
Speaker 1: gets the Huskies do a playoff and you're like, how
Speaker 1: they don't have Alabama's players. So I think Oregon has purchased,
Speaker 1: recruited and developed players. I think Landing has a plan.
Speaker 1: I think they match up.
Speaker 2: I am not as confident with Ohio State because I
Speaker 2: just have felt for three years. And I'll ask you, Greg,
Speaker 2: it's not that Michigan beat him, it's how they beat him.
Speaker 2: They just don't rush them. They took over all the
Speaker 2: second half. Ohio State's never been prettier, but they've never
Speaker 2: been more finesse. I'll ask you what are they beyond talented?
Speaker 2: What are they?
Speaker 1: I think it's a look. They have been a sports
Speaker 1: car where winning the Big Ten the last couple of
Speaker 1: years has required a big diesel vehicle, a duley if
Speaker 1: you will, like, I don't want to say gmc or
Speaker 1: ford and like tick people off, I would say forde.
Speaker 1: It's Michigan, So that feels fair, right, Let's just go
Speaker 1: with that. They have an F one fifty or an
Speaker 1: F two to fifty that was one in the Big
Speaker 1: Ten the last couple of years, just the reality. So
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're finesse though, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's entirely and I understand the characterization and the.
Speaker 2: Way Ohio State standards.
Speaker 1: They're finesse compared to the Urban Meyer version twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: Ohio State versions, that's finesse. But that was a group
Speaker 1: that was so outrageously talented. I remember watching that game
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen against Bama on New Year's Day. The
Speaker 1: first iteration of the College Football Playoffs was Zeke Elliott
Speaker 1: and Cardale Jones. Like, these guys are freaks.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Not only can they fly, but these guys will pound you.
Speaker 1: They're so crazy physical. And I think that the Big
Speaker 1: Ten has long been a league that was won with physicality,
Speaker 1: and then Ohio State found, hey, we can win with physicality,
Speaker 1: but we also have some high octane machines on the
Speaker 1: outside that we need to feed. So I think they've
Speaker 1: kind of gotten away from themselves a bit. And that's
Speaker 1: why the hire of Chip Kelly was so massive, because
Speaker 1: if you look twenty three consecutive Beers, the team that
Speaker 1: has outrushed the other in the game between Michigan and
Speaker 1: Ohio State wins the game. You ain't gonna out rush
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's That's that's who he is. That's that's what
Speaker 1: he believes in. And while people will look at the
Speaker 1: Oregon Neers and and think, oh, they were finesse, No,
Speaker 1: they weren't. Just because they used tempo doesn't mean they
Speaker 1: were finesse. Look at the UCLA years. Oh, because they
Speaker 1: wear like blue, they're finesse. No, no, No, Ucla was far
Speaker 1: from finesse. Ucla ran it down LSU's throat. Yep in
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl a couple of years ago. He has
Speaker 1: gone out and prioritized running back. They go out and
Speaker 1: got quinch On Judkins. They already had Trevon Henderson. The
Speaker 1: offensive line is a question mark. But what Chip Kelly
Speaker 1: can do is they're going to play hard and they're
Speaker 1: going to get by a little bit running the football
Speaker 1: with smoking mirrors. So I think they're traditional run sets
Speaker 1: that they've used the last couple of years. You're not
Speaker 1: going to beat Michigan with that because Michigan's got better
Speaker 1: D linemen than you have O linemen. I don't know
Speaker 1: why they just do and they've had that for years
Speaker 1: and they're probably going to have it again this year
Speaker 1: based on what they bring back up front defensively. But
Speaker 1: if you have one side of the offensive line blocking
Speaker 1: one play, the left side of the offensive line blocking
Speaker 1: another play, two completely different plays, you're reading a guy
Speaker 1: right in the middle. You can't block him, so you
Speaker 1: might as well read them, and you got a pass
Speaker 1: play off of it. Now you're cooking them with gas.
Speaker 1: So I think Chip Kelly being hired by Ryan Day
Speaker 1: Ryan Toy acknowledged that his run game was a blind spot,
Speaker 1: and that's a really hard thing for coaches to do too, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I've won a lot of games, I've
Speaker 1: lost five games in my career as a head coach, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to acknowledge though, that that's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a blind spot for me. I need Chip Kelly
Speaker 1: to come in. I'll handle the pass concepts, he handles
Speaker 1: the run concepts, and now we're going to make this
Speaker 1: thing work together perfectly. So I really like Ohio State
Speaker 1: this year. But you one hundred percent right. I mean,
Speaker 1: Michigan had their number. Is a terrible matchup, much like
Speaker 1: you just talked about with Oregon and Washington. Terrible matchup
Speaker 1: for Ohio State, and I wasn't surprised at all to
Speaker 1: see Michigan went three straight against him.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do let's do most overrated underrated teams and
Speaker 2: close it out this way. I think Michigan's the most
Speaker 2: overrated in the in the top twenty five. They lost
Speaker 2: not only a depth, they lost like leaders. They lost
Speaker 2: like locker room leaders, you know, fifty year seniors. They
Speaker 2: also lost the best quarterback Harbass had who I watched
Speaker 2: him before he got hurt. Meniscus Tear had a terrific debut.
Speaker 2: It's very difficult to lose not only quality starters, but
Speaker 2: veteran quality starters like who were clubhouse leaders. I think
Speaker 2: Michigan will not be a top twenty team. Overrated, I
Speaker 2: think underrated. I I don't know. I think Brian Kelly's
Speaker 2: going to figure it out. Jason so good, He's so good.
Speaker 2: And I look at all those teams above him, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, they're not going to beat Georgia, maybe Alabama,
Speaker 2: Ohio State, but people have them eleventh, twelve, thirteenth, I'm like, nah,
Speaker 2: they're better than Utah, and I love Utah. They're better
Speaker 2: than Utah. Though Utah returns a guy that's I think
Speaker 2: has been starting quarterback for them for eleven years. Cam Rising.
Speaker 2: So a little underrated, Lsu, a little overrated, a lot
Speaker 2: overrated Michigan, what say you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good with the Michigan on the same page there.
Speaker 1: My problem with Michigan is, I've just heard a lot
Speaker 1: of buzz and it's hard a little bit with that
Speaker 1: place too. All Right, is this real or is it not.
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of positive buzz about their offense
Speaker 1: and Alex Orgy and how much he's progressed. And I've
Speaker 1: seen him run. I know he's a superstar with the
Speaker 1: ball in his hands, but I've also only seen him
Speaker 1: throw one pass. I've heard that he's got a monster arm,
Speaker 1: and I tried to watch him in preseason or in
Speaker 1: pregame warm ups every time I've called a Michigan game,
Speaker 1: And when I was on the field, I stood right
Speaker 1: behind him and watched him throw it. I thought, Tuddle
Speaker 1: threw it pretty good too, by the way, for Michigan,
Speaker 1: So I thought, hey, when JJ leaves, they'll probably going
Speaker 1: to be all right a quarterback regardless. But I just
Speaker 1: I look at the rest of the top ten Ohio
Speaker 1: State They're going to be there, no doubt. So if
Speaker 1: you're going to quantify it as quote overrated, Ohio State's
Speaker 1: gonna be there. George is going to be there there
Speaker 1: safe bet. I think Texas and Oregon are going to
Speaker 1: be there. I think BAM is going to be there.
Speaker 1: So the top five feel very very safe. People have
Speaker 1: been saying Notre Dame look at their schedule, Like Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: they could go nine to three and not be a
Speaker 1: team ranked in the top twenty five.
Speaker 2: By the way end the year on the road in LA.
Speaker 2: And also, I don't know how good Riley Leonard is.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what he is.
Speaker 1: I know that Mike Denbrock throw c though, did a
Speaker 1: pretty good job with Jayden Daniels, whose skill set was
Speaker 1: similar to Riley Leonards when he arrived from Arizona State,
Speaker 1: So I think the development portion of bringing him along.
Speaker 1: Ryley Lembad has been naturally kind of an inaccurate passer
Speaker 1: on the downfield throws.
Speaker 2: That's got to grow his whole career, his whole crazy
Speaker 2: wild Yeah.
Speaker 1: Still optimistic though that it's in there because I've seen
Speaker 1: the underneath throws. If you can throw the underna stuff,
Speaker 1: you can throw the intermediates, you can throw the deeps.
Speaker 1: It's just changing an arm angle, changing the shoulders, changing
Speaker 1: the trajectory.
Speaker 4: All that.
Speaker 1: I think den Brock will do a pretty good job
Speaker 1: with them. I really do, because I think it's a
Speaker 1: comparable player to what they brought in with Jadan Daniels,
Speaker 1: and that obviously worked out very well. I can't take
Speaker 1: him out of the top twenty five though. Their schedules
Speaker 1: too manageable. I mean, the toughest games book in the
Speaker 1: season sc and A and M. And people say, well,
Speaker 1: Florida State, I think Floresta going to South Bend is
Speaker 1: a pretty good spot. People say maybe Louisville, Well, you
Speaker 1: don't think Notre Dames had that one circled. They got
Speaker 1: blown out by Louisville last year at their place, so
Speaker 1: I think I think Notre Dame's appropriately ranked. Ole Miss
Speaker 1: If people are not on their bandwagon, it's because they
Speaker 1: aren't familiar with what Lane Kiffin's done from talent acquisition standpoint.
Speaker 1: They're not overrated, they're appropriately rated. You're just not comfortable
Speaker 1: with seeing them ranked that high. Then you look at
Speaker 1: Penn State, They're gonna be rock solid. I am worried
Speaker 1: a little about their offense, but their defense will keep
Speaker 1: them minute. Especially with their schedule they have, They're gonna
Speaker 1: be fine. Their schedules very manageable in the Pac twelve
Speaker 1: or in the Big ten. I think Missouri, I think,
Speaker 1: is the other that I would say maybe slightly over
Speaker 1: our skis there. So Missouri and Michigan the two that
Speaker 1: I'm just not so sure about. Missouri I think it's eleven,
Speaker 1: Michigan at nine as far as underrated. Now you're gonna
Speaker 1: say I'm crazy. I know this. I'm comfortable with this.
Speaker 1: I've been singing the praises all off season. I did
Speaker 1: this last year for a team and ended up working out.
Speaker 1: I love Miami this year. I love Miami this year.
Speaker 1: They coming at number nineteen. Now, a lot of people
Speaker 1: are gonna sit there and say, well, this Miami, we
Speaker 1: do this every year. You know, the same people that
Speaker 1: are saying that right now are the same people that said, well,
Speaker 1: why are we building up Texas? Like Texas hasn't done
Speaker 1: anything since two thousand and nine. Why are you continuing
Speaker 1: to say that they're going to be good this year?
Speaker 1: Because they were on paper, Texas going into last year
Speaker 1: was great. Now it's about allowing it to come to fruition.
Speaker 1: Miami on paper is great. Now it's just about can
Speaker 1: they take the next step as a program and not
Speaker 1: beat themselves. This was one of the best teams in
Speaker 1: America in the first half of the season last year,
Speaker 1: and they turn the ball over against Georgia Tech, give
Speaker 1: up the big play on the fumble and the couple touchdown.
Speaker 1: You know, then they end up that has a huge
Speaker 1: ripple effect throughout the rest of the season. Tyler Van
Speaker 1: Dyke can't shake the turnover woes and he gets benched
Speaker 1: and they give Florida State all they want and then
Speaker 1: their starter who replaced Van Dyke gets hurt. Van Dyke's
Speaker 1: back in the lineup. I mean, it was just it's
Speaker 1: a disastrous season.
Speaker 2: Last year.
Speaker 1: They've upgraded a quarterback with cam Ward. He doesn't turn
Speaker 1: it over. They couldn't score in the red zone with
Speaker 1: any regularity last year. Well, what helps in the red
Speaker 1: zone quarterback run game. Cam Ward can run it. They
Speaker 1: went and got the best running back available in the
Speaker 1: portal and Damian Martinez and that was kind of a
Speaker 1: revolving door of players last year with three or four
Speaker 1: different guys. We're all solid none have rushed for twelve
Speaker 1: hundred yards of the season like Damian Martinez did last year.
Speaker 1: The offensive line was a strength last year, it's strength
Speaker 1: again to get their top two wide outs back. Defensively,
Speaker 1: they have the best edge defender in the ACC who's
Speaker 1: only going into his sophomore year in ruben Bain. They
Speaker 1: added three more five stars and a couple guys in
Speaker 1: the portal. Like they are stocked. The one question mark
Speaker 1: is the secondary, and by all accounts that group is
Speaker 1: playing well above what they anticipated at this point of
Speaker 1: the season. So I think Miami people are gonna be
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna look at them and say, well,
Speaker 1: we're just here. We are again. We always pump up
Speaker 1: the blue blotz. I think Miami's extremely capable with personnel
Speaker 1: they have, and I'd be surprised if they're not in
Speaker 1: the mix in the ACC ultimately in the mix for
Speaker 1: the playoffs. The volume.
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