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Speaker 2: All right, We're ready to go. John Middlecoff three inn out,

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Speaker 2: former NFL scout. So my first take was of all

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Speaker 2: the young quarterbacks, bo Nicks look exactly like I thought

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think him and Michael Pennix are two guys

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Speaker 4: It doesn't get any better than that, the velocity, the accuracy,

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Speaker 4: I don't even know who the Broncos play week one.

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Speaker 4: Well, think about this, Colin, and we've talked about this

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Speaker 4: of them are incredible in February, March, and April. They

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Speaker 4: do good teams, no good during the season. That's why

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Speaker 4: ideally you make that trade before the combine. Well, guess

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Speaker 4: what the Niners probably tried. No one was offering that

431
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Speaker 4: at the time. Why great wide receiver draft? Why am

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Speaker 4: I going to trade you my first round pick? When

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Speaker 4: I get a wide receiver, is gonna start at a

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Speaker 4: number Instead of paying a guy twenty eight million I

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Speaker 4: get the ideally or in a perfect world, the similar

436
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Speaker 4: player for four right, just basic economics, and I think

437
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Speaker 4: he overplayed his hand. And the Niners are like, listen,

438
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Speaker 4: we had these deals, they were the ones we'd accept.

439
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Speaker 4: Those are the teams. Everyone knows you're on the block.

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Speaker 4: No one else is coling, no one else has the money.

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Speaker 4: You want to go to the Steelers. They have nothing

442
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Speaker 4: to give us back. This has to be It takes

443
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Speaker 4: two to tango. Here. There's two sides, and we don't

444
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Speaker 4: want their draft picks. They're not giving us TJ. Watt,

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Speaker 4: so that ain't happening. Here's our number. What are you

446
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Speaker 4: gonna do? Not play? We want to give you a contract.

447
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Speaker 4: No one feels bad for him, and he's emotional. I

448
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Speaker 4: can't imagine being twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, have

449
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Speaker 4: this money, like the number that you think you're. His

450
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Speaker 4: value on their team is a lot different than some

451
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Speaker 4: of these guys making twenty nine million dollars. They don't

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Speaker 4: play like that, and I just think they're kind of

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Speaker 4: at a crossroads. But he does. I guess he has

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Speaker 4: the leverage, just not practice. He can demand a trade

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Speaker 4: all he wants. But if John and Kyle don't want

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Speaker 4: to trade him. He's not getting traded. Ideally, I think

457
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Speaker 4: they want to avoid this, right, they don't want this,

458
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Speaker 4: but they're not just gonna give him away because that's

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Speaker 4: the easy thing to do. So he's kind of stuck,

460
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Speaker 4: and it's they're pissed off. I know that obviously he's

461
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Speaker 4: he's well established that he's mad. They're mad. And this

462
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Speaker 4: is kind of a joke now because at the end

463
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Speaker 4: of the day, Bosa was gonna kind of get over

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Speaker 4: on them. He had all the average, he's the best player.

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Speaker 4: He was going to get a ton. They go, listen,

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Speaker 4: you're really good, but DJ Moore has been a lot

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Speaker 4: better than you. For six years playing with Coward and

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Speaker 4: middle Cooff as his quarterback, you've had productive quarterbacks and

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Speaker 4: you're never going to catch more Navy balls here. So

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Speaker 4: the ROI and R investment, if we give you thirty

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Speaker 4: million dollars is kind of a doesn't make a lot

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Speaker 4: of sense. And that's where I think they're kind of

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Speaker 4: stuck looking at each other. I still believe he's gonna

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Speaker 4: end up on the Niners, but I think he might

475
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Speaker 4: be a first player in NFL history who sounds like

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Speaker 4: a four year, hundred million dollar deal and is mad

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Speaker 4: at the Dais when he gives his press conference. Well

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Speaker 4: get ready for that.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's also a reality that receivers in this league

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Speaker 2: not named Jefferson Chase, Davonte Adams. This league is furnished

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Speaker 2: about thirty receivers a year out of college, and about

482
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Speaker 2: ten are productive immediately. But every other team, I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you go to the last decade, wide receivers are

484
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Speaker 2: walking into this league out of college guys like Puka Nakua,

485
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Speaker 2: Tank Dell, mid round guys, and you're like, shit, that

486
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Speaker 2: that guy's a one. That guy's not even a two,

487
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Speaker 2: he's a one. So the reality is the one position

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Speaker 2: that is literally expanding, you know, because there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of families outside of a Texas that aren't playing as

490
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Speaker 2: much football. There's not as many high school football players

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Speaker 2: today is ten years ago. There's not Moms are like

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Speaker 2: a lot of moms southern California, LA. Forget it. You're

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Speaker 2: an outcast if you let your kid by high school football,

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Speaker 2: especially if you're west of the four h five Freeway,

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Speaker 2: like all the you know, all the high end fallutin

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Speaker 2: you know, coastal towns.

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Speaker 4: So Malibum.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hermosa Manhattan Beach in Brentwood, Pliah there does not.

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Speaker 2: So my take is, but if you start looking at

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Speaker 2: that position, there's fewer good running backs. You get about

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Speaker 2: one good left tackle a year, maybe two one star quarterback,

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Speaker 2: maybe two serviceable ones. I could argue if I went

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Speaker 2: back and looked in the last decade, do we have

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Speaker 2: eight receivers a year that come in here and stick.

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Speaker 2: So it is hard unless you're like very top of

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Speaker 2: the market. And by the way, if you're very top

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Speaker 2: of the market, it's also discomforting. These guys now make

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Speaker 2: thirty million dollars. Some gms are like, I mean, you

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Speaker 2: better be able to do that on the rookie contract.

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Speaker 2: You can't pay your quarterback and a receiver thirty large,

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Speaker 2: like unless he's Jamar Chase. So I think it's one

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Speaker 2: of these situations where they just if Trent Williams was

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Speaker 2: in year three in his career and they had two

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Speaker 2: more years not to pay him, I think you could

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Speaker 2: be willing to push it. They can't win the Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl in my opinion without Trent Williams's that's the roadblock

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Speaker 2: here too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like you hit it on the supply

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Speaker 4: and demand. Brandon a Yuk was drafted the end of

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Speaker 4: the first round twenty seven. Debo who carried them to

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Speaker 4: the NFC championship three years was a second round pick.

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Speaker 4: I watched today. I had the Colts game on in

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Speaker 4: the background, and the kid from Texas is making plays.

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Speaker 4: He's a second round pick. So, like you said, every

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Speaker 4: single year, obviously, first rounders, second, third, and fourth rounders

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Speaker 4: are making plays all season long at that position. They

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Speaker 4: cost him million dollars. If this was a real estate deal,

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Speaker 4: it would have been over weeks ago. The Niners, you

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Speaker 4: know this. They want two million. Niners are offering one

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Speaker 4: point six. We ain't budget you're not budgeting. We go

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Speaker 4: our separate ways. And that's kind of what's happened, except

532
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Speaker 4: he's stuck on their team because he's under contract and

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Speaker 4: their trump card is your fifth year options this year,

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Speaker 4: and we have two franchise tags. We want to make

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Speaker 4: this work, but this is our number. You're not a

536
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Speaker 4: free agent. You are not a free agent, so you

537
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Speaker 4: can sit out to win the season. You're gonna pass

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Speaker 4: up fourteen million dollars. That's like he acts, and I

539
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Speaker 4: think his side they think they got a bunch of leverage.

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Speaker 4: There aren't a bunch of teams with a lot to

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Speaker 4: give back. There was one the Browns, the Niners like

542
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Speaker 4: that offer a Marii Cooper in the second round pick deal.

543
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Speaker 4: And then he's like, no, well, you can't ask for

544
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Speaker 4: a trade. This is in the NBA. You're not gonna

545
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Speaker 4: dictate all the terms here. And I think that's what's

546
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Speaker 4: made him mad and the forty Niners mack because he

547
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Speaker 4: won't play ball, like, we are offering you a ton

548
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Speaker 4: of money. You're immediately gonna be the highest paid player

549
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Speaker 4: on a highly paid team. So yeah, DJ Morris, these

550
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Speaker 4: guys make more. They do more for their team in

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Speaker 4: terms of production. That's never gonna Kyle Shanahan's not gonna

552
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Speaker 4: start playing like Andy Reid, right, That's not how they're

553
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Speaker 4: gonna play. They're gonna run the ball. I think in

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Speaker 4: a perfect world, party has like twenty six past attempts

555
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Speaker 4: a game. That's what they're shooting for. They're not trying

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Speaker 4: to play like forty three times he's like, well, I

557
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Speaker 4: could be a star receiver. Well, on this team, we're

558
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Speaker 4: willing to pay you, and you're gonna thrive and you

559
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Speaker 4: can make a ton off. This is the forty nine

560
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Speaker 4: ers are top two or three brand in the league.

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Speaker 4: He makes a ton off the field.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring in my guest, Greg McElroy, the host

563
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Speaker 2: of Always College Football, former Bama quarterback twenty ten national champ.

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Speaker 2: I've said that we need to temper not only expectations

565
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Speaker 2: but criticism of coaches when they go to schools. Look

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Speaker 2: how long it took Dabo Sweeney or Jim Harbaugh. So

567
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Speaker 2: when Harbaugh and Lincoln Riley are interesting comps, so we

568
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Speaker 2: know they're both good coaches, nobody disputes that Jim had

569
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Speaker 2: a longer resume. And obviously the transfer portal is a

570
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Speaker 2: more vigorous. I mean, there were people transferring ten years ago,

571
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Speaker 2: but not to the level now. The machine it is right,

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Speaker 2: And I said, but if you really look at Brian

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Speaker 2: Kelly and Harbaugh, you know they doubled the wins very quickly.

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Speaker 2: But it was sort of pseudo. Not can't compete with

575
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Speaker 2: Alabama Georgia, but they won the games they should have won.

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Speaker 2: And Brian Kelly gets to Annatty and gets blown out,

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Speaker 2: and Michigan, you know, would face Ohio State and it

578
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Speaker 2: was fools gold. It took both about seven years, eight

579
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Speaker 2: years to stockpile talent where they could play at Georgia

580
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Speaker 2: Bama and the games are good and you could on

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Speaker 2: television You're like, oh, there's pros on both sides. You know,

582
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Speaker 2: the Manti t Notre Dame team in the National Championship,

583
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Speaker 2: you know, it felt like it would have finished third

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Speaker 2: in the PAC twelve. But a lot of it's scheduling.

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Speaker 2: So I say, with Lincoln Riley, as bad as Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame was in Michigan was, I don't think they were

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Speaker 2: as bad as USC under Clay Hilton. Not only were

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Speaker 2: they four and eight, but people inside the program believed

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Speaker 2: they only had like twelve NFL maybe late round players.

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Speaker 2: That it was Lincoln Riley identified after two practices, there's

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Speaker 2: maybe thirty guys we can keep, and so by being

592
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Speaker 2: a play away from twelve wins in his first season

593
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Speaker 2: was fairly remarkable through those of us closer to the program.

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Speaker 2: And then the second year they had injuries, Jordan Addison

595
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: was gone and frankly, they just know NFL players, it

596
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Speaker 2: was Caleb and they kind of shut him down once

597
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Speaker 2: they lost a couple of games. They had a defensive

598
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Speaker 2: coordinator completely over Ski. So my takeaway is this idea

599
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Speaker 2: that USC was going to buy for national championships. They

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Speaker 2: were way better year one than expectations. That's not really

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Speaker 2: who they were. They were an early Notre Dameer Harbaugh team.

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Speaker 2: You know, Harbaugh got from five to ten wins year

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Speaker 2: one and won the national championship. Team USC couldn't beat

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Speaker 2: any good teams. They were just beating the crappy teams

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Speaker 2: on their schedule because of the wizardry of Caleb and

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Speaker 2: the coaching of Lincoln. So my take is, I think

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Speaker 2: we're being too unrealistic, even with a transfer portal to

608
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Speaker 2: Brian Kelly right now in Lincoln, in that it's still

609
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Speaker 2: the sport still comes down to high school recruiting in

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Speaker 2: chemistry and culture, and you can't do it in two years.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, The problem is you've had guys that have

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Speaker 1: ruined it for everybody, the Josh Heipels of the world

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Speaker 1: that in year one progress year two game changer. Right.

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Speaker 1: We've seen it with urban Meyer his second year at Florida,

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Speaker 1: I believe they won the national championship, and we've seen

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Speaker 1: it a handful of other times, saving at Alabama two

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Speaker 1: thousand and seven, six and six, six, seven and six,

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Speaker 1: twenty eight, twelve and zero with the chance and the

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Speaker 1: lead in the fourth quarter to go to the national title.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right. In normal circumstances, I think it

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Speaker 1: takes four years to get a real evaluation on the

622
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Speaker 1: trajectory of your team. That's my personal opinion. I understand

623
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Speaker 1: that big dollars are in play here, and also along

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Speaker 1: with I think Temper's player and egos are involved, and

625
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Speaker 1: the collective doesn't feel like they're getting what they have

626
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Speaker 1: paid for, they're going to be quicker to pull the trigger.

627
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I completely agree with you

628
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Speaker 1: and those that have said that Lincoln Riley is he's

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Speaker 1: not he doesn't know what he's doing. He doesn't he's

630
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Speaker 1: he's way out of his so far. I saw an

631
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Speaker 1: analyst and national analyst call on the other day say, oh,

632
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Speaker 1: his his tenure at SC has been a quote disaster.

633
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Speaker 1: Well to be a win away from the college football

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Speaker 1: Playoff in year one with the Heisman Trophy winner, sign

635
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Speaker 1: me up for that disaster.

636
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Speaker 2: Sure, most of the wee NFL two NFL players, one

637
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: of them Caleb was a sophomore. I mean that team

638
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Speaker 2: had no talent.

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Speaker 1: And he did a great job with him. The one

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Speaker 1: thing that does concern me, and I've known Lincoln when

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Speaker 1: I was a commit to Texas Tech. Lincoln picked me

642
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Speaker 1: up at the airport. I've known him for twenty years,

643
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit close to home with me,

644
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Speaker 1: and followed him to his years at East Carolina, followed

645
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Speaker 1: him in his time at obviously Oklahoma. So I'm wanting

646
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Speaker 1: what's best for him as a fan of his, and

647
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: it's a fan of the sport. I think it's great

648
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: when s he's relevant. So I acknowledge all that he's

649
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: done offensively, But I don't know. This is my observation

650
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: from a distance. I don't know if they practice the

651
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: way they need to practice to be as good along

652
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: both lines of scrimmage to compete for championships. And that's

653
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: the only question I have. And will he be too

654
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: proud to adjust maybe the amount of full contact periods

655
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Speaker 1: that they have. Will they maybe do some things offensively

656
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: in a drill setting that might give the defense a

657
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: slight advantage. Will they do things like that to help

658
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: attract more defensive personnel and to create a tougher, more

659
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: physical mindset. Because I saw last year they were a

660
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: little banged up in spring. This was spring of twenty three.

661
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: They said, after like nine practices, Yeah, we're good. We're

662
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: just gonna do you know, walk throughs or whatever. At

663
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: Georgia They're like, I don't care if we have managers

664
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Speaker 1: putting helmets on. We're practicing. So I think that's the

665
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: mindset that I'm just a little concerned about. But I

666
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Speaker 1: think the I think the Hey, the jury's out right now,

667
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: and i'd be I'm actually really optimistic about SC this

668
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: year more than most.

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Speaker 2: I think Oregon is something that we haven't seen out

678
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: West since Pete Carroll and ed Orgeron. They've just done

679
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: it differently. They've purchased big bodies, So I think Oregon

680
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: stacks up in the train. I mean, they went out

681
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: and they bought the best left tackle on the West

682
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: Coast in the last several years. Two years ago he started,

683
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: they've went, and Phil Knight has essentially said, before I die,

684
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: I won a national championship, and I'll spend whatever it takes.

685
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: People talk about the Texas nil Oregon's is unlimited. They'll

686
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: just buy whatever they have to. That's really how it's done.

687
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: USC's is thirteen million. I have that on thirteen million.

688
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: Depending on the ascension of the program, it could get

689
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Speaker 2: to fifteen. But USC's fine. They're not Texas, they're not

690
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: A and M, they're not Ohio State, they're maybe not Georgia.

691
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: They're not Oregon for sure. So I think Oregon has

692
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Speaker 2: purchased and this is not a criticism. Is all legal

693
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: now right right, they've gone. First of all, their marketing

694
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: is enhanced, even with Mario Crystaball they're recruiting to me

695
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: is the best on the West coast, the best on

696
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: the West coast. USC's is consistently second because of the

697
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: name brand. But Oregon's been recruiting the West coast crystal

698
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: Ball landing very well. If they want a receiver or

699
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: a dB, they get them. If there's a top edge rusher,

700
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: they just get them. They own the Northwest mostly for

701
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: the players they want. It's a very weak recruiting year

702
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 2: in my opinion in the West coast this year, especially

703
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: the Northwest. I think they match up fine. I think

704
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: eye test Texas looks really big. When they faced Alabama

705
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: last year the last couple of years, I looked at

706
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: it and I thought, God, this is what Alabama looks

707
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: like the last ten years against everybody else. You're like man,

708
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: Texas passes the eye test. I think the I think

709
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: Oregon's going to beat Ohio State in Eugene because I

710
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: think Dan Lanning has done something that I didn't think

711
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: a Southern guy was going to do with no head

712
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: coaching experience. He's immediately I know what Oregon is. I

713
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: really do they play their They're a little Detroit Lions, relentless,

714
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: they play hard. They got I think privately they would

715
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: admit Kaylan de boorr Out coached him and Washington had

716
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: a bizarre set of great offensive talent, almost no NFL bodies,

717
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: and they matched up with Oregon. I mean, frankly, Pennis

718
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: beat ball uh Adunze. Oregon wasn't getting beat because they

719
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: were being fooled it's just it was just a bad matchup.

720
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Speaker 2: I said it before Washington was gonna beat Texas, they

721
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: were not gonna beat Michigan is and so I think

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Speaker 2: it was I think I watched Oregon play Washington twice

723
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Speaker 2: once live. I thought Oregon had more good players. I

724
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 2: just thought Washington was a terrible matchup. So I think

725
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: Oregon matches up with Ohio State, and I think if

726
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: you match up with Ohio State, you match up with everybody.

727
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Speaker 2: I think Alabama's underrated. I think Kayland Boor is magnificent.

728
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: I think you know what he is reminds me of

729
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: he's really Chris Peterson, where he does have some Peterson

730
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: vibes for sure, where you're like, they will never be

731
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Speaker 2: out coached at Alabama. Ever, there are games with Nick

732
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: Saban where I felt if you had a quarterback that

733
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Speaker 2: was good off script, you could frustrate Nick. I didn't

734
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: think he was out coached. I thought there were things

735
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Speaker 2: Nick did better than other coaches. Klin de Boor it's

736
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: almost magical, like Washington's talent on the defensive side is

737
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: they had an interior defensive lineman who I think the

738
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Speaker 2: Rams got undrafted free free agent.

739
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Speaker 1: I mean Tully Nasan, noa. They just have any talent.

740
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Speaker 1: So a lot of it was magical. And Chris Peterson

741
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: gets the Huskies do a playoff and you're like, how

742
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: they don't have Alabama's players. So I think Oregon has purchased,

743
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: recruited and developed players. I think Landing has a plan.

744
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: I think they match up.

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Speaker 2: I am not as confident with Ohio State because I

746
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: just have felt for three years. And I'll ask you, Greg,

747
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 2: it's not that Michigan beat him, it's how they beat him.

748
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: They just don't rush them. They took over all the

749
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: second half. Ohio State's never been prettier, but they've never

750
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 2: been more finesse. I'll ask you what are they beyond talented?

751
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: What are they?

752
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Speaker 1: I think it's a look. They have been a sports

753
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: car where winning the Big Ten the last couple of

754
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: years has required a big diesel vehicle, a duley if

755
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: you will, like, I don't want to say gmc or

756
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: ford and like tick people off, I would say forde.

757
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: It's Michigan, So that feels fair, right, Let's just go

758
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: with that. They have an F one fifty or an

759
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: F two to fifty that was one in the Big

760
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: Ten the last couple of years, just the reality. So

761
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're finesse though, Like I don't

762
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: know if that's entirely and I understand the characterization and the.

763
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: Way Ohio State standards.

764
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Speaker 1: They're finesse compared to the Urban Meyer version twenty fifteen

765
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: Ohio State versions, that's finesse. But that was a group

766
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: that was so outrageously talented. I remember watching that game

767
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen against Bama on New Year's Day. The

768
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: first iteration of the College Football Playoffs was Zeke Elliott

769
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: and Cardale Jones. Like, these guys are freaks.

770
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: Now.

771
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: Not only can they fly, but these guys will pound you.

772
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: They're so crazy physical. And I think that the Big

773
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: Ten has long been a league that was won with physicality,

774
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: and then Ohio State found, hey, we can win with physicality,

775
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: but we also have some high octane machines on the

776
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: outside that we need to feed. So I think they've

777
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: kind of gotten away from themselves a bit. And that's

778
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: why the hire of Chip Kelly was so massive, because

779
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: if you look twenty three consecutive Beers, the team that

780
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: has outrushed the other in the game between Michigan and

781
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: Ohio State wins the game. You ain't gonna out rush

782
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's That's that's who he is. That's that's what

783
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: he believes in. And while people will look at the

784
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: Oregon Neers and and think, oh, they were finesse, No,

785
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: they weren't. Just because they used tempo doesn't mean they

786
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: were finesse. Look at the UCLA years. Oh, because they

787
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: wear like blue, they're finesse. No, no, No, Ucla was far

788
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: from finesse. Ucla ran it down LSU's throat. Yep in

789
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl a couple of years ago. He has

790
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: gone out and prioritized running back. They go out and

791
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: got quinch On Judkins. They already had Trevon Henderson. The

792
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: offensive line is a question mark. But what Chip Kelly

793
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: can do is they're going to play hard and they're

794
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: going to get by a little bit running the football

795
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: with smoking mirrors. So I think they're traditional run sets

796
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: that they've used the last couple of years. You're not

797
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: going to beat Michigan with that because Michigan's got better

798
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: D linemen than you have O linemen. I don't know

799
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: why they just do and they've had that for years

800
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: and they're probably going to have it again this year

801
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: based on what they bring back up front defensively. But

802
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: if you have one side of the offensive line blocking

803
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: one play, the left side of the offensive line blocking

804
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: another play, two completely different plays, you're reading a guy

805
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: right in the middle. You can't block him, so you

806
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: might as well read them, and you got a pass

807
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: play off of it. Now you're cooking them with gas.

808
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: So I think Chip Kelly being hired by Ryan Day

809
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: Ryan Toy acknowledged that his run game was a blind spot,

810
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: and that's a really hard thing for coaches to do too, right.

811
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Speaker 1: I mean, hey, I've won a lot of games, I've

812
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: lost five games in my career as a head coach, Like, yeah,

813
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: I got to acknowledge though, that that's a little bit

814
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: of a blind spot for me. I need Chip Kelly

815
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: to come in. I'll handle the pass concepts, he handles

816
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: the run concepts, and now we're going to make this

817
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: thing work together perfectly. So I really like Ohio State

818
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: this year. But you one hundred percent right. I mean,

819
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Michigan had their number. Is a terrible matchup, much like

820
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: you just talked about with Oregon and Washington. Terrible matchup

821
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: for Ohio State, and I wasn't surprised at all to

822
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: see Michigan went three straight against him.

823
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's do let's do most overrated underrated teams and

824
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: close it out this way. I think Michigan's the most

825
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 2: overrated in the in the top twenty five. They lost

826
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Speaker 2: not only a depth, they lost like leaders. They lost

827
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: like locker room leaders, you know, fifty year seniors. They

828
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: also lost the best quarterback Harbass had who I watched

829
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: him before he got hurt. Meniscus Tear had a terrific debut.

830
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: It's very difficult to lose not only quality starters, but

831
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: veteran quality starters like who were clubhouse leaders. I think

832
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: Michigan will not be a top twenty team. Overrated, I

833
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: think underrated. I I don't know. I think Brian Kelly's

834
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: going to figure it out. Jason so good, He's so good.

835
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: And I look at all those teams above him, and

836
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, they're not going to beat Georgia, maybe Alabama,

837
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 2: Ohio State, but people have them eleventh, twelve, thirteenth, I'm like, nah,

838
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: they're better than Utah, and I love Utah. They're better

839
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: than Utah. Though Utah returns a guy that's I think

840
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: has been starting quarterback for them for eleven years. Cam Rising.

841
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: So a little underrated, Lsu, a little overrated, a lot

842
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: overrated Michigan, what say you?

843
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm good with the Michigan on the same page there.

844
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: My problem with Michigan is, I've just heard a lot

845
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: of buzz and it's hard a little bit with that

846
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: place too. All Right, is this real or is it not.

847
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of positive buzz about their offense

848
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: and Alex Orgy and how much he's progressed. And I've

849
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: seen him run. I know he's a superstar with the

850
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: ball in his hands, but I've also only seen him

851
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: throw one pass. I've heard that he's got a monster arm,

852
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: and I tried to watch him in preseason or in

853
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: pregame warm ups every time I've called a Michigan game,

854
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: And when I was on the field, I stood right

855
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: behind him and watched him throw it. I thought, Tuddle

856
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: threw it pretty good too, by the way, for Michigan,

857
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: So I thought, hey, when JJ leaves, they'll probably going

858
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: to be all right a quarterback regardless. But I just

859
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 1: I look at the rest of the top ten Ohio

860
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: State They're going to be there, no doubt. So if

861
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: you're going to quantify it as quote overrated, Ohio State's

862
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: gonna be there. George is going to be there there

863
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: safe bet. I think Texas and Oregon are going to

864
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: be there. I think BAM is going to be there.

865
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: So the top five feel very very safe. People have

866
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: been saying Notre Dame look at their schedule, Like Notre Dame,

867
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: they could go nine to three and not be a

868
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: team ranked in the top twenty five.

869
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: By the way end the year on the road in LA.

870
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: And also, I don't know how good Riley Leonard is.

871
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: I have no idea what he is.

872
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: I know that Mike Denbrock throw c though, did a

873
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: pretty good job with Jayden Daniels, whose skill set was

874
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: similar to Riley Leonards when he arrived from Arizona State,

875
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: So I think the development portion of bringing him along.

876
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: Ryley Lembad has been naturally kind of an inaccurate passer

877
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: on the downfield throws.

878
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: That's got to grow his whole career, his whole crazy

879
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: wild Yeah.

880
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: Still optimistic though that it's in there because I've seen

881
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: the underneath throws. If you can throw the underna stuff,

882
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: you can throw the intermediates, you can throw the deeps.

883
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: It's just changing an arm angle, changing the shoulders, changing

884
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: the trajectory.

885
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 4: All that.

886
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: I think den Brock will do a pretty good job

887
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: with them. I really do, because I think it's a

888
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: comparable player to what they brought in with Jadan Daniels,

889
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: and that obviously worked out very well. I can't take

890
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: him out of the top twenty five though. Their schedules

891
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: too manageable. I mean, the toughest games book in the

892
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: season sc and A and M. And people say, well,

893
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: Florida State, I think Floresta going to South Bend is

894
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: a pretty good spot. People say maybe Louisville, Well, you

895
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: don't think Notre Dames had that one circled. They got

896
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: blown out by Louisville last year at their place, so

897
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: I think I think Notre Dame's appropriately ranked. Ole Miss

898
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: If people are not on their bandwagon, it's because they

899
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: aren't familiar with what Lane Kiffin's done from talent acquisition standpoint.

900
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: They're not overrated, they're appropriately rated. You're just not comfortable

901
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: with seeing them ranked that high. Then you look at

902
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: Penn State, They're gonna be rock solid. I am worried

903
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: a little about their offense, but their defense will keep

904
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: them minute. Especially with their schedule they have, They're gonna

905
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: be fine. Their schedules very manageable in the Pac twelve

906
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: or in the Big ten. I think Missouri, I think,

907
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: is the other that I would say maybe slightly over

908
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: our skis there. So Missouri and Michigan the two that

909
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm just not so sure about. Missouri I think it's eleven,

910
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 1: Michigan at nine as far as underrated. Now you're gonna

911
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: say I'm crazy. I know this. I'm comfortable with this.

912
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: I've been singing the praises all off season. I did

913
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: this last year for a team and ended up working out.

914
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: I love Miami this year. I love Miami this year.

915
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: They coming at number nineteen. Now, a lot of people

916
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: are gonna sit there and say, well, this Miami, we

917
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: do this every year. You know, the same people that

918
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: are saying that right now are the same people that said, well,

919
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: why are we building up Texas? Like Texas hasn't done

920
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: anything since two thousand and nine. Why are you continuing

921
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: to say that they're going to be good this year?

922
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: Because they were on paper, Texas going into last year

923
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: was great. Now it's about allowing it to come to fruition.

924
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: Miami on paper is great. Now it's just about can

925
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: they take the next step as a program and not

926
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: beat themselves. This was one of the best teams in

927
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: America in the first half of the season last year,

928
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: and they turn the ball over against Georgia Tech, give

929
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: up the big play on the fumble and the couple touchdown.

930
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: You know, then they end up that has a huge

931
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: ripple effect throughout the rest of the season. Tyler Van

932
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: Dyke can't shake the turnover woes and he gets benched

933
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: and they give Florida State all they want and then

934
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 1: their starter who replaced Van Dyke gets hurt. Van Dyke's

935
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: back in the lineup. I mean, it was just it's

936
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: a disastrous season.

937
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: Last year.

938
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: They've upgraded a quarterback with cam Ward. He doesn't turn

939
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: it over. They couldn't score in the red zone with

940
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: any regularity last year. Well, what helps in the red

941
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: zone quarterback run game. Cam Ward can run it. They

942
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: went and got the best running back available in the

943
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: portal and Damian Martinez and that was kind of a

944
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: revolving door of players last year with three or four

945
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: different guys. We're all solid none have rushed for twelve

946
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: hundred yards of the season like Damian Martinez did last year.

947
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: The offensive line was a strength last year, it's strength

948
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: again to get their top two wide outs back. Defensively,

949
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: they have the best edge defender in the ACC who's

950
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: only going into his sophomore year in ruben Bain. They

951
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: added three more five stars and a couple guys in

952
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: the portal. Like they are stocked. The one question mark

953
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: is the secondary, and by all accounts that group is

954
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: playing well above what they anticipated at this point of

955
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: the season. So I think Miami people are gonna be

956
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna look at them and say, well,

957
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: we're just here. We are again. We always pump up

958
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: the blue blotz. I think Miami's extremely capable with personnel

959
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: they have, and I'd be surprised if they're not in

960
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: the mix in the ACC ultimately in the mix for

961
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: the playoffs. The volume.

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