WEBVTT - Pellagra, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm Holly Frye. Here is part two of our

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<v Speaker 2>episode on pelagra, something I did not realize was going

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<v Speaker 2>to need two parts when I started, I was totally

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<v Speaker 2>unaware that there was a whole history of pelagor in

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<v Speaker 2>Italy that took place before it really became a problem

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States, and I was only aware of

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<v Speaker 2>the US stuff before working on this. Last time, we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about what pelagor is, its appearance and eventual maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not disappearance, but like resolution in Italy, and some of

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<v Speaker 2>the social and economic factors that led to a rise

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<v Speaker 2>in pellagra in the Southern United States in the early

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<v Speaker 2>twentieth century. Today, we're going to talk more about how

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<v Speaker 2>pelagora became a huge public health problem in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States and the efforts to find its cause and a

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<v Speaker 2>solution for it. To be clear, we are mostly focused

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<v Speaker 2>on the Southern United States here because that's where pelagora

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<v Speaker 2>reached really epidemic levels, but pelagra could and did happen

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere in the country that was facing poverty, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lack of access to a range of foods. This episode

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<v Speaker 2>includes some human and animal experimentation, and if you have

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<v Speaker 2>listened to our episode on epotymous diseases from not that

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<v Speaker 2>long ago, some of the human experimentation I would rank

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<v Speaker 2>as about equivalent to how gross the experimentation was with neurovirus.

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<v Speaker 2>There are also some experiments will be talking about that

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<v Speaker 2>we're not so viscerally disgusting in that way, but they

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<v Speaker 2>would not pass ethics review boards today.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we said at the end of last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>the first known report of pelagra in medical literature in

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<v Speaker 1>the US was published in nineteen oh two, but investigations

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<v Speaker 1>over the following decades revealed that there had been outbreaks

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<v Speaker 1>going back to at least the first decades of the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century. Most of those nineteenth century outbreaks had taken

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<v Speaker 1>place before medical textbooks in the US mentioned pelagra at all,

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<v Speaker 1>so most American practitioners didn't know anything about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>those patients had consequently been misdiagnosed. But after Henry Fauntleroy

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<v Speaker 1>Harris's nineteen oh two description of a farmer who had

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<v Speaker 1>been developing a debilitating illness with a rash, every spring

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<v Speaker 1>for about fifteen years. Other reports soon followed.

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<v Speaker 2>We also talked last time about the three ms of meal, molasses,

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<v Speaker 2>and meat, which made up the bulk of the diets

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of the poorest people in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. This

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<v Speaker 2>included the diets of people who were living in institutions

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<v Speaker 2>like mental asylums and orphanages, because they were generally being

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<v Speaker 2>fed the cheapest food possible. One example was Mount Vernon

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<v Speaker 2>Asylum for the Colored Insane in Mount Vernon, Alabama. This

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<v Speaker 2>hospital had been established as a state run segregated mental

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<v Speaker 2>hospital for black patients in nineteen hundred. Prior to that,

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<v Speaker 2>it had been an arsenal and military barracks, and in

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<v Speaker 2>that earlier time that's where physician Walter Reid had confirmed

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<v Speaker 2>that yellow fever was transmitted by mosquitoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor George H. Searcy reported an outbreak of disease in

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eight patients at the hospital in the early fall

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen oh six, publishing a paper on it in

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<v Speaker 1>the Journal of the American Medical Association the following year.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that these were not the first cases of

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<v Speaker 1>pelagra at the hospital, that there had been a few

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<v Speaker 1>cases every summer since patients were first transferred to the

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<v Speaker 1>hospital in nineteen oh one, but that they had not

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<v Speaker 1>been recognized as pelagra. When a much bigger outbreak started,

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<v Speaker 1>doctors at the hospital had gone to Circe for help,

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<v Speaker 1>and he reported that of those eighty eight cases, fifty

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<v Speaker 1>seven had died, for a mortality rate of about sixty

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<v Speaker 1>four percent.

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<v Speaker 2>In his paper, sirirc described the disease as endemic and systemic,

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<v Speaker 2>involving skin lesions and disturbance of the digestive tract and

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<v Speaker 2>nervous system. He said it should be classed as food poisoning,

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<v Speaker 2>similar to ergotism, which comes from eating food that's contaminated

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<v Speaker 2>with ergate fungus, or latherism, which comes from eating large

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<v Speaker 2>amounts of certain legumes that contain a neurotoxin. And he

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<v Speaker 2>made an observation that would hold true in other outbreaks

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States. Quote the disease occurs among the

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<v Speaker 2>poorer classes and in institutions where the diet is at

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<v Speaker 2>times limited. It develops most frequently among adults and in

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<v Speaker 2>females more frequently than in males. Of the eighty eight

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<v Speaker 2>patients at Mount Auburn eighty of them had been women,

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<v Speaker 2>and two thirds had been at the hospital for more

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<v Speaker 2>than a year. Eighty percent of them had experienced fair

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<v Speaker 2>or good health before developing pelagra. Circi described pelagra as

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<v Speaker 2>being caused by quote continuous eating of damaged corn and poverty.

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<v Speaker 2>Poor hygienic surroundings, and exposure to the sun's rays have

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<v Speaker 2>been given as predisposing factors. He specifically referenced the work

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<v Speaker 2>of Cesar Lombroso, who we talked about in Part one,

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<v Speaker 2>and the idea that pelagor was caused by eating spoiled

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<v Speaker 2>or contaminated corn. He said he had sent a sample

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<v Speaker 2>of the corn meal served at the hospital, which was

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly the best meal that was being made in the West,

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<v Speaker 2>to a plant pathology lab which had described it as

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<v Speaker 2>quote whole unfit for human use, that it was made

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<v Speaker 2>of moldy grain and contained quantities of bacteria and fungi

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<v Speaker 2>of various sorts, some of which were identified. He went

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<v Speaker 2>on to say, quote As for the treatment, there are

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<v Speaker 2>no specific remedies. The essential management consists in placing the

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<v Speaker 2>patient in good hygienic surroundings and trying to improve the

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<v Speaker 2>general health by good nourishing foods, and such tonics as

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<v Speaker 2>may seem indicated. Arsenic iron and pepsin preparations were the

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<v Speaker 2>remedies on which most support was placed and which sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to influence the disease favorably. The affected patients at

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital were taken off of cornbread and grits and

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<v Speaker 2>they were given wheat bread and potatoes instead, with no

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<v Speaker 2>other changes to their diet. A set of eight unaffected

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<v Speaker 2>patients were also placed on a diet of cornbread and

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<v Speaker 2>grits as an experiment. One developed pelagra and another showed

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<v Speaker 2>signs of the disease. All of them started to show

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<v Speaker 2>signs of poor health, so their diets were changed. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>sears ended his nineteen oh seven article by saying that

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<v Speaker 2>he had heard the western corn crop of nineteen oh

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<v Speaker 2>five had been damaged by wet weather, so that was

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<v Speaker 2>what the hospital would have been using in nineteen oh

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<v Speaker 2>six when the outbreak happened, so he had sent a

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<v Speaker 2>sample of the corn they'd gotten in nineteen oh seven

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<v Speaker 2>to the same lab to be tested. The lab said

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<v Speaker 2>that this newer batch of corn was up to standards,

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<v Speaker 2>so Searcy added it back into the patient's diets. Searce

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that after his nineteen oh six report, other cases

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<v Speaker 2>of pelagra had been identified at the Hospital for the

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<v Speaker 2>Insane at Tuscaloosa, and that as there was more awareness

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<v Speaker 2>of the disease, he expected more reports to follow. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh eight, James Babcock, superintendent of the South Carolina

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<v Speaker 2>Hospital for the Insane, traveled to Italy to see patients

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<v Speaker 2>their first hand so that he could compare their conditions

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<v Speaker 2>to what he was witnessing in South Carolina. This basically

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<v Speaker 2>allowed him to confirm that he was also seeing pelagra.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobcock also organized the first US Conference on pelagra, which

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<v Speaker 2>took place on November third and fourth of nineteen oh nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost four hundred physicians attended. In Italy, for the most part,

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<v Speaker 2>there had been agreement that pelagora was caused by corn,

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<v Speaker 2>but the medical community had been at odds over whether

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<v Speaker 2>the issue was about nutrition or about some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>toxin contaminating the corn. In the US, a different disagreement

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<v Speaker 2>developed whether pelagora was caused by corn or whether it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>This disagreement can be framed as the Zeus versus the

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<v Speaker 2>anti Ziists, with Zeist coming from Zma's the scientific name

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<v Speaker 2>for corn. Of the forty one speakers at this nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>oh nine conference were Zeists, although many of them had

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<v Speaker 2>very different explanations for the exact role that corn played

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<v Speaker 2>in pelagra, and the anti ziists similarly had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different reasons for thinking that the corn was not

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<v Speaker 2>the cause. Some of them were motivated by the germ

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<v Speaker 2>theory of disease and the fact that researchers had started

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<v Speaker 2>identifying specific microorganisms that caused a range of diseases, including

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<v Speaker 2>tuberculosis and cholera.

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<v Speaker 1>These were things.

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<v Speaker 2>People had previously attributed to things like environmental causes. Some

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<v Speaker 2>were working off the idea that not only did microorganisms

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<v Speaker 2>cause disease, but that every disease had one specific cause,

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<v Speaker 2>said that that cause for all diseases was a microorganism.

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<v Speaker 2>This was also happening during the eugenics movement in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States dates, so there were people who thought pelagra,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least a predisposition for pelagra, was the result

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<v Speaker 2>of bad breeding.

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<v Speaker 1>And some of the anti ziist response was more emotional.

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<v Speaker 1>Much of the corn in the US was being grown

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<v Speaker 1>in the Midwest, and a Midwestern sense of identity had

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<v Speaker 1>started to coalesce. One that was centered on agriculture. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea that Midwestern corn was causing illness was damaging to

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<v Speaker 1>that sense of regional identity, and there were also obvious

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<v Speaker 1>worries that connecting pelagra to corn would damage the corn

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<v Speaker 1>industry and the Midwestern economy. This ran parallel to a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of Southern pride and identity. Those three ms that

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about in Part one of meal, meat, and

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<v Speaker 1>molasses had formed the foundation of a lot of Southern cuisine.

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<v Speaker 1>People wanted to find an explanation for pelagra that did

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<v Speaker 1>not land on Southerner's own foods, which were close to

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<v Speaker 1>their hearts making them sick. Also, pelagra, hookworm, and malaria

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<v Speaker 1>were all prevalent in the South at this point. All

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<v Speaker 1>of these could cause symptoms like diarrhea, abdominal pain, fatigue,

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<v Speaker 1>and malaise. These diseases themselves all carried a lot of stigma,

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<v Speaker 1>and all this had fed into negative stereotypes of Southerners

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<v Speaker 1>as lazy. So the idea that people were to blame

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<v Speaker 1>because of what they were eating was like adding insult

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<v Speaker 1>to injury. The attendees at the first conference on pelagra

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<v Speaker 1>resolved to start a national Association for the study of Pelagra,

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<v Speaker 1>and Babcock was elected as its president. Also in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh nine, the US Public Health Service, at the time

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Marine Hospital Service, appointed doctor Claude Lavender

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<v Speaker 1>to head up the service's study of pelagra. Lavender worked

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<v Speaker 1>with Babcock to translate Cesar Limbroso's Italian were on pellagra

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<v Speaker 1>into English. A wave of research into pelagor followed this,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was not initially productive, and we will talk

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<v Speaker 1>about why after a sponsor break. A lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>writing on pelagra in the United States in the first

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<v Speaker 1>decade of the nineteen hundreds had drawn on Italian work

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<v Speaker 1>that had connected the disease to corn consumption in some way.

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<v Speaker 1>But then in nineteen ten, the London School of Tropical

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<v Speaker 1>Medicine published a report saying that pelagor was caused by

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<v Speaker 1>a microbe that was being spread by insects. A Pelagra

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<v Speaker 1>Investigation Committee had been established in the UK that year,

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<v Speaker 1>and it had funded a research trip to Italy that

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<v Speaker 1>was carried out by physician Lewis Sambon. Sambon had been

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<v Speaker 1>born in Italy and had moved to the UK to

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<v Speaker 1>head up the School of Tropical Medicine. His earlier work

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<v Speaker 1>included the study of sleeping sickness in Uganda. He had

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<v Speaker 1>correctly concluded that sleeping sickness was caused by a parasite

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<v Speaker 1>that was transmitted by the Sizi fly. In his pelagra study,

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<v Speaker 1>he noted some commonalities between pelagra and insect born diseases

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<v Speaker 1>like sleeping sickness, and concluded that it was not about

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<v Speaker 1>the corn, that it was a disease carried by some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of biting insect, probably gnats, that were also common

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<v Speaker 1>in the same rural areas where corn was a big

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<v Speaker 1>part of people's diets. In Italy, pelagra had become much

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<v Speaker 1>less common, and the general consensus for decades had been

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<v Speaker 1>that it was corn related, So this report really did

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<v Speaker 1>not get a lot of traction there. Many Italian doctors

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<v Speaker 1>dismissed it entirely, even calling it absurd. But in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>Sambon's conclusion really appealed to all the researchers who were

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<v Speaker 1>looking for some kind of explanation for pelagra that did

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<v Speaker 1>not trace back to Midwestern corn or southern diets. This

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<v Speaker 1>included the state of Illinois, whose Investigatory Commission on Pelagra

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<v Speaker 1>was established in nineteen ten and largely focused on Sambon's work.

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<v Speaker 2>My read on this is that Simbon's conclusions on pelagra

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<v Speaker 2>were really influenced by his own preconceptions based on his

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<v Speaker 2>earlier successful work on insect born diseases, and this may

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<v Speaker 2>have also been true for one of the commissions that

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<v Speaker 2>started studying pelagra in the nineteen teens. That was the

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<v Speaker 2>Thompson McFadden Commission, named for its two primary funders, Robert M. Thompson,

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<v Speaker 2>who was in mining, and Henry McFadden, who was a

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<v Speaker 2>cotton merchant. Both of these men had a vested interest

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<v Speaker 2>in determining a cause and treatment for pellagra, since it

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<v Speaker 2>was prevalent in the mining camps and mill towns where

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<v Speaker 2>the workers in their industries lived.

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<v Speaker 1>The researchers who were part of this commission carried out

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<v Speaker 1>their work in and around Spartanburg, South Carolina, where local

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<v Speaker 1>officials agreed to cooperate and where the situation was critical.

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<v Speaker 1>There were about thirty thousand reported cases of pelagra, with

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<v Speaker 1>a fatality rate of about forty percent. Investigators went house

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<v Speaker 1>to house asking about who lived there, their ages and sexes,

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<v Speaker 1>whether any of them had pelagra, and what they ate.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctors also diagnosed cases of pelagra during these visits.

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<v Speaker 2>The primary investigators for this commission were all microbiologists, and

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<v Speaker 2>they discounted links to things like economic conditions and the

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<v Speaker 2>maize and the gnats that Sambon had cited before, focusing

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<v Speaker 2>on trying to pinpoint a specific microbial cause. In their

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<v Speaker 2>second progress report, they didn't name a specific cause for pelagra,

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<v Speaker 2>but they reported that pelagora rates were the highest in

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<v Speaker 2>the places that did not have an enclosed sewer system

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<v Speaker 2>and people were using unscreened privies. Also, if one person

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<v Speaker 2>in a household had pelagra, usually at least one other

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<v Speaker 2>person had it as well. They wrote, quote, we are

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<v Speaker 2>inclined to regard intimate association in the household and the

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<v Speaker 2>contamination of food with the excretion of pelagrons as possible

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<v Speaker 2>moods of distribution of the disease. Pelagrins was the term

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<v Speaker 2>being used to describe people with pelagra, so these researchers

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<v Speaker 2>were saying that pelagra spread from person to person when

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<v Speaker 2>the waste of someone with pelagra contaminated the food other

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<v Speaker 2>people were eating. That contamination was spreading in neighborhoods where

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<v Speaker 2>there was no sanitary system for dealing with human waste.

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<v Speaker 2>They also noted some of the same demographic patterns as

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<v Speaker 2>Henry Fauntleroy Harris had in his nineteen oh two paper

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<v Speaker 2>that we talked about earlier. Polagor was far more common

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<v Speaker 2>in women. They reported five hundred twenty eight cases in

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<v Speaker 2>women and two hundred twelve in men. They also found

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<v Speaker 2>far more cases among white people than among black people,

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<v Speaker 2>but noted that the cotton mill villages that they were

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<v Speaker 2>researching were almost exclusively white. Yeah, when you looked at

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<v Speaker 2>a broader sample of the population, it was the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lot more common among black people. They

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<v Speaker 2>just were looking at a sample that was mostly white.

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<v Speaker 2>A sewer system was built in Spartan Mills, after which

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<v Speaker 2>pelagora rates there did start to decline, and so this

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<v Speaker 2>wound up reinforcing the idea that the sanitary conditions had

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<v Speaker 2>been involved in the polagrasp. One possible explanation for why

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<v Speaker 2>this sewer system quote worked is that the building of

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<v Speaker 2>the sewer brought some more money into the town, which

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<v Speaker 2>allowed people to buy a richer variety of food. But

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<v Speaker 2>we don't really know. The connection to the sewers wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>about some kind of waste contamination that was contaminating the food.

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<v Speaker 2>It was that the people that were living in places

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<v Speaker 2>that were so poor that they had no sewer system

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't afford to buy a richer variety of food. Just

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<v Speaker 2>to make that clear, the Thompson McFadden Commissions reports deepened

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<v Speaker 2>the division between the Zeists and the anti Ziists. Claude Lavender,

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<v Speaker 2>who had been heading up the government's response to the disease,

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<v Speaker 2>wrote in a nineteen thirteen report quote, it is not

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<v Speaker 2>to be understood from them that there are only two

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<v Speaker 2>theories of the cause of pelagra. On the contrary, there

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<v Speaker 2>are scores of theories. The Zeists agree in one thing only,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is that, either directly or indirectly, pelagra is

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<v Speaker 2>ideologically related to MAZE, while the Antiziists agree in one

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<v Speaker 2>thing only, and that is that the disease bears no

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<v Speaker 2>such relation to MAZE. The Zeists, however, do not agree

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<v Speaker 2>among themselves, nor do the Antisiasts show any more harmony

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<v Speaker 2>in their views. Without going into the details of the

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<v Speaker 2>various theories and shades of opinion, it may be said

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<v Speaker 2>that the great struggle now centers around the question is

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<v Speaker 2>pelagra a kind of food poisoning from maze? Or is

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<v Speaker 2>it due to some parasite infecting the human body. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twelve, which was the same year that the Thompson

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<v Speaker 2>McFadden Commission started its investigation, Polish biochemist Casimir Funk coined

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<v Speaker 2>the word vitamin as vital amines, and he connected deficiencies

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<v Speaker 2>in these vital amines to diseases. He noted similarities among

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<v Speaker 2>them pelagra, berry berry, ricketts, and scurvy, all of which

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<v Speaker 2>are understood as vitamin deficiency diseases today. He observed that

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<v Speaker 2>these diseases tended to erupt in countries where quote a

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<v Speaker 2>certain unvarying diet is partaken for long periods. People had

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<v Speaker 2>already figured out that barry berry, which is a thiamin deficiency,

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<v Speaker 2>could be treated and prevented with rice brand and that scurvy,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a vitamin sea deficiency, could be treated with

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<v Speaker 2>a variety of fresh fruits and vegetables. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>whole episode on scurvy. Funk argued that there was probably

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<v Speaker 2>a dietary treatment for pelagra as well. By nineteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>Claude Lavender had not been successful in finding a definite

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<v Speaker 2>cause for pelagra, and he asked to be assigned to

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<v Speaker 2>other work. US Surgeon General Rupert Blue appointed doctor Joseph

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<v Speaker 2>Goldberger as his replacement. Goldberger was from a Jewish family

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<v Speaker 2>from the Austro Hungarian Empire who had moved to the

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<v Speaker 2>United States when he was about nine. After becoming a doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>he had worked in private practice for a while before

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<v Speaker 2>joining the United States Marine Hospital Service. He had worked

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<v Speaker 2>as an immigration inspector in the Port of New York

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<v Speaker 2>before moving on to studying and fighting infectious diseases. He

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<v Speaker 2>had fought outbreaks of yellow fever, dengey fever, and typhoid,

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<v Speaker 2>among others.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was appointed to study pelagra, he was in

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit helping to fight a diphtheria outbreak. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>His public health and infectious disease work has been described

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<v Speaker 2>as like monumental and heroic. He did a ton and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it. He was doing at risk to

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<v Speaker 2>his own health. That same year, the State Sanitarium in Millageville, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>was in the middle of a pelagora crisis. Almost two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred people had died and pelaga had passed tuberculosis as

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<v Speaker 2>the leading cause of death at the hospital. The federal

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<v Speaker 2>government had started to see the situation as really urgent

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<v Speaker 2>and Goldberger was given a budget of eighty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>for his investigation that was out of the entire US

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<v Speaker 2>public health budget of two hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Goldberger studied conditions at the hospital and noticed something that

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<v Speaker 1>George H. Searcy had also described in his reports on

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<v Speaker 1>the pelagra outbreak at Mount vernonn Asylum, almost a decade before.

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<v Speaker 1>Pelagor was affecting only the patients, not staff. Staff were

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<v Speaker 1>in close contact with the patients all day, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of them lived at the facility. If the disease had

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<v Speaker 1>been communicable, whether it was being spread through insects or

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<v Speaker 1>some other vector, it would have affected staff as well. Theoretically,

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<v Speaker 1>staff and patients were eating the same food, but Goldberger

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<v Speaker 1>learned that the staff were served first, so they usually

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<v Speaker 1>took the best food for themselves, and the staff also

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<v Speaker 1>had options to supplement their diets beyond what the hospital served.

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<v Speaker 1>Although most of Goldberger's background was in infectious diseases, he

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<v Speaker 1>started researching pelagra as a possible nutritional deficiency. This is

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<v Speaker 1>where we will get to the human experimentation that we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about at the beginning of the show and some

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<v Speaker 1>of its fairy growths. We'll have more on that after

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<v Speaker 1>a sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen fourteen, Joseph Goldberger started polagor research at two

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<v Speaker 2>orphanages in Jackson, Mississippi, where more than two hundred total

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<v Speaker 2>children had developed the disease during the spring and summer.

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<v Speaker 2>He found that pelagra only seemed to affect children between

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<v Speaker 2>the ages of six and twelve, and they were all

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<v Speaker 2>mostly eating biscuits, grits, corn meal, and syrup. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure if the syrup was his word for molasses, but

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<v Speaker 2>something sugary and syrupy. Even though the general conditions at

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<v Speaker 2>the orphanages were not good in terms of things like

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<v Speaker 2>sanitation and overcrowding and overall health, he left those conditions

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<v Speaker 2>as they were for the sake of this experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>At both orphanages. In his words quote, a very decided

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<v Speaker 1>increase was made in the proportion of the fresh animal

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<v Speaker 1>and of the leguminous protein foods. This included milk, eggs, beans,

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<v Speaker 1>and peas, and at breakfast the children were served oatmeal

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<v Speaker 1>rather than corn grits. Other foods were added as well.

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<v Speaker 1>After the implementation of this diet, the children were observed

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<v Speaker 1>for a year. One of the orphanages had no recurrences

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<v Speaker 1>of pelagra the following spring and summer. The other had

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<v Speaker 1>just one. A similar experiment with similar results was carried

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<v Speaker 1>out at the Georgia State Sanitarium in nineteen fifteen. Goldberger

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<v Speaker 1>began reporting his results in the Southern Medical Journal and

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<v Speaker 1>in public health reports. This research strongly suggested that a

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<v Speaker 1>diet containing a variety of foods could prevent pelagra, and

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to confirm whether pelagra could also be induced

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<v Speaker 1>through diet.

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<v Speaker 2>He worked with Earl Brewer, Governor of Mississippi, to arrange

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<v Speaker 2>an experiment at Rankin State Prison Farm, which did not

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<v Speaker 2>have a history of pelagra among the people incarcerated there.

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<v Speaker 2>Twelve healthy men were recruited from this study, although one

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<v Speaker 2>of them was found to have a previously undetected medical

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<v Speaker 2>condition and he was dismissed. These men were offered pardons

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<v Speaker 2>for their participation that would be seen as unethical and

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<v Speaker 2>coercive today. They were placed on a largely corn based diet,

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<v Speaker 2>and after about five five months, six of them had

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<v Speaker 2>developed the rash that is characteristic of pelagra. So this

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<v Speaker 2>supported the idea that a primarily corn based diet could

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<v Speaker 2>cause pelagra. Goldberger's conclusions really inflamed a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>cultural responses that we talked about earlier. While there were

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<v Speaker 2>some Southern leaders and advocates who called for food aid

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<v Speaker 2>to the South to combat any dietary deficiencies, many many

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<v Speaker 2>others were outraged. This was fueled by attitudes dating back

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<v Speaker 2>to before the Civil War and reinforced during reconstruction, and

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<v Speaker 2>perceptions that a Jewish New Yorker seen as a paternalistic,

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<v Speaker 2>moralizing outsider, had come to pass judgment on the South,

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<v Speaker 2>its people, and its food. Anti ziasts doubled down on

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<v Speaker 2>the insistence that this wasn't about food, and it specifically

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't about corn, and that there must be an infectious

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<v Speaker 2>agent at work. Yeah. Some of the tone of this

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<v Speaker 2>conversation at the time was basically Goldberger saying, there is

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<v Speaker 2>famine in the South and we need to take action

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<v Speaker 2>to save people's lives, and his most vocal critics were like,

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<v Speaker 2>that is an insult.

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<v Speaker 1>How dare you? Defensiveness will make people do really foolish things.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>So, based on these criticisms, on April twenty sixth of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixteen, Goldberger started a series of experiments to try

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<v Speaker 2>to prove that no, there was not an infectious agent

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<v Speaker 2>at work. Most of the seventeen participants in these experiments

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 2>were doctors, but one of them was also his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>They intentionally exposed themselves to the bodily fluids of pelagora patients,

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<v Speaker 2>including their blood and swabs from their noses and throats.

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<v Speaker 2>They also exposed themselves to skin from the patient's This

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<v Speaker 2>happened through things like injections and compounded pills that they swallowed. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can imagine a way to get material from

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<v Speaker 2>one person's body into another, they tried.

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<v Speaker 1>That.

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<v Speaker 2>These were nicknamed filth parties. No one got pelagor from them.

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<v Speaker 2>Did they get other things though? Did they get hepatitis?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Uh. Even so, in November of that year,

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<v Speaker 1>there were doctors at the Southern Medical Association annual meeting

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 1>who still maintained that Goldberger was wrong. In particular, South

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Carolina State health officer James A. Hayn insisted that pelagra

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 1>was infectious. He continued to publicly criticize Goldberger and his

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 1>findings for years, no matter how much evidence was presented

0:28:56.280 --> 0:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>or how that evidence was framed. He later compared Goldberger

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<v Speaker 1>to fascist dictator Benito Mussolini and described his ideas as

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<v Speaker 1>having been quote rammed down their throats.

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<v Speaker 2>Good thing. We've been talking about stuff rammed down our

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<v Speaker 2>throats for more than a century.

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<v Speaker 1>My least favorite phrase on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps. Also in nineteen sixteen, Goldberger started working with a

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<v Speaker 2>team to study the relationship between pelagra and the Southern economy.

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<v Speaker 2>His collaborators included Edgar Seidenstricker, who had a background in

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<v Speaker 2>labor economics and was a statistician. Their work was deeply

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<v Speaker 2>critical of the exploitive systems that were at work in

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<v Speaker 2>the South, including sharecropping and the cotton monoculture. Another researcher,

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<v Speaker 2>carl A. Grot, also studied the mining camps in Walker County, Alabama,

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<v Speaker 2>and confirmed that pelagor was not affected by a person's

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<v Speaker 2>heredity or their race, but that rates of the disease

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<v Speaker 2>were directly correlated with income, making the food that people

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<v Speaker 2>could afford the most likely explanation. One of the criticisms

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<v Speaker 2>of Goldberger's work was that it had been carried out

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<v Speaker 2>in the controlled settings of orphanages and asylums, so in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighteen he did his own mill studies as the

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<v Speaker 2>Thompson McFadden Commission had done. He selected seven cotton mill

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>villages in South Carolina and screened every person in every

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<v Speaker 2>household for pelagra. Everyone was very poor, but the households

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<v Speaker 2>in which at least one person had pelagra were the

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<v Speaker 2>ones were there was little to no animal protein in

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<v Speaker 2>their diets, although what they were eating wasn't necessarily limited

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<v Speaker 2>to just corn. Through all of this, pelagor rates had

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<v Speaker 2>continued to rise and fall in conjunction with changes in

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<v Speaker 2>economic factors and food availability. So, for example, a bull

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<v Speaker 2>weavil infac station in Alabama in nineteen fifteen led to

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 2>them spiking. Although the disease was most prevalent in the South,

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 2>it could be found all over the US, really anywhere

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>that people could not afford a variety of food and

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>were just subsisting on one specific staple.

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 1>But then, over the late nineteen teens and early nineteen twenties,

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 1>researchers including Goldberger, Russell, Henry Chittenden, and Frank pell Underhill

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>found one particular thing that seemed to prevent pelagra. Brewers yeast,

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 1>which we know today is high in protein, B vitamins,

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and other nutrients. This discovery came from experiments on pelagra

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 1>in dogs. It was difficult to induce pelagra in dogs

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 1>because most dogs don't want to eat nothing but corn meal,

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>so researchers were using brewers yeast to try to stimulate

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 1>their appetites. It turned out the brewers yeast protected them

0:31:58.800 --> 0:31:59.959
<v Speaker 1>from developing pelagon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Goldberger had also at the same time been systematically

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 2>trying to find something that would work as a protective

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 2>and then this happened with the dogs. Brewers yeast was

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>also inexpensive, and Goldberger started advocating for the use of

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 2>brewers yeast to treat and prevent pelagra. When the Mississippi

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 2>River flooded in nineteen twenty seven, causing immense destruction and

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 2>widespread crop devastation, Goldberger warned that there would probably be

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 2>an increase in pelagor rates to follow. He called for

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 2>education about the use of brewers yeast and distribution of

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 2>brewers yeast to affected communities. The Red Cross delivered twelve

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:49.880
<v Speaker 2>thousand pounds of brewers yeast to flood affected areas. There

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:54.479
<v Speaker 2>was still widespread malnutrition in the wake of this flood,

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 2>and there were also racial disparities as black people were

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>kept out of a lot of the relief camps, but

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Goldberger is credited with helping to mitigate some of the

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 2>worst outcomes of this catastrophe. While some of the South

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 2>had been reluctant to accept a dietary explanation of pelagra

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 2>or to ask for or accept food relief, this flood

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 2>was truly a massive disaster. It was so huge in

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 2>scale and devastation that it removed some of the stigma

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 2>around asking for help, especially asking for food help. Afterward,

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 2>many of the doctors who had kept looking for an

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:37.200
<v Speaker 2>infectious cause of pelagra were more willing to accept that

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 2>it was caused by a nutritional deficiency. The Red Cross

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 2>also continued to deliver Brewers yeast, distributing five hundred thousand

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 2>pounds of it over the next decade. On October thirty first,

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty eight, Goldberger gave a speech before the American

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Dietetic Association in which he said, quote, the problem of

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:01.400
<v Speaker 2>pelagra is, in the main a prime problem of poverty.

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Education of the people will help, but improvement in basic

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:11.840
<v Speaker 2>economic conditions alone can be expected to heal this festering

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>ulcer in the body of our people. But much of

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:20.319
<v Speaker 2>the effort to cure pelagra prevent it societally did not

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 2>involve trying to reduce poverty. There definitely were efforts to

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 2>provide food aid and other assistants during the Great Depression

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 2>and other times of crisis, and there were various anti

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 2>poverty programs, But the bigger and more long term focused

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 2>involving pelagra was on fortifying food. Biochemist Conrad Elvihim isolated

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 2>niacin also called vitamin B three in nineteen thirty seven.

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:52.320
<v Speaker 2>By nineteen thirty eight, bakers had started voluntarily producing bread

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 2>using a high vitamin yeast, which helped reduce pelagra rates.

0:34:57.440 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>As synthesized vitamins became less expensive of bread products and

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 2>other foods were fortified with vitamins directly. A lot of

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 2>this was like what we discussed in our episode on

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:12.799
<v Speaker 2>the iodization of salt, voluntary efforts by food producers and

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 2>state laws requiring fortification. This continued into the nineteen forties,

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 2>with twenty eight states passing some kind of mandatory law

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 2>for fortifying bread or flour between nineteen forty two and

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty nine. I was telling my spouse about what

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.399
<v Speaker 2>this episode was about, and he said, is that why

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:35.879
<v Speaker 2>they spray vitamins on breakfast cereal. Yes, I mean other

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 2>deficiencies too, But yes, economic systems also changed during those decades. Obviously,

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:49.240
<v Speaker 2>poverty still exists. There are still food deserts where people

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 2>cannot get access to the foods that they need to

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:57.240
<v Speaker 2>eat to live. But the sharecropping system started to fade

0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:00.759
<v Speaker 2>in the wake of the mechanization and industrialisation of the

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 2>farm industry in the nineteen thirties and forties. That of

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:09.240
<v Speaker 2>course caused its own disruption to people's lives and circumstances,

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 2>but it did mean that people were not in a

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 2>situation where they were sharecropping and they could only get

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 2>food at a commissary. Following cotton prices in the nineteen

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:22.360
<v Speaker 2>thirties also led to some diversification in the crops that

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 2>were being planted. The payment of wages in scrip, which

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 2>had been common in mill towns and mining towns and

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.160
<v Speaker 2>locked people into buying their food only from a company

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.919
<v Speaker 2>store and nowhere else. That was outlawed under the Fair

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Labor Standards Act of nineteen thirty eight. With food fortification

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 2>and social and economic shifts, the pelagri crisis in the

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 2>US was largely over by the start of World War II,

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:52.839
<v Speaker 2>but between nineteen oh six and nineteen forty there had

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 2>been approximately three million cases and one hundred thousand deaths

0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 2>from the disease. About half of those deaths were among

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 2>black people, and about two thirds of them were women.

0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 2>This was something that some of the researchers, including Goldberger,

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:12.360
<v Speaker 2>commented on at the time. Because of ongoing patterns of

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:16.800
<v Speaker 2>racism and bigotry, black people in any given community tended

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.839
<v Speaker 2>to be in the poorest class, with the fewest resources,

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 2>and were sometimes excluded from receiving food, aid or other support.

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 2>The gender disparity is a little more complicated. It's possible

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 2>that there were some physiological factors involved in the absorption

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 2>and use of niosin in women's bodies, but some of

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:40.919
<v Speaker 2>this was probably connected to gender roles and family dynamics.

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>In most families, women were the ones procuring and preparing food,

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.879
<v Speaker 2>and mothers and wives often deprived themselves so the rest

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 2>of the family could eat. Joseph Goldberger did not live

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 2>to see the isolation of niosin or the end of

0:37:56.560 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 2>the polagra epidemic. He died of cancer on January seventeenth,

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:05.160
<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty nine. His critics spread rumors that he had

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 2>really died of pelagra. The exact mechanisms of niosin in

0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the body and how it relates to pelagra continued to

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 2>be studied for decades after the nineteen forties, and the

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 2>discovery of nichemalization's role in making nutrients in corn more

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:26.759
<v Speaker 2>bioavailable is comparatively recent. Researchers started publishing work analyzing the

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 2>available nutrients and niche temalized corn in the nineteen fifties,

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:35.880
<v Speaker 2>with research confirming that nichemalization increases the availability of triptafan

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:42.800
<v Speaker 2>and niasin by the late nineteen eighties. During our lifetimes, yeah, yeah,

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I had trouble pinning down exactly when that research happened,

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 2>because that's a that's a thing, that's a series of terms.

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.279
<v Speaker 2>To try to do sort of a literature review on

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 2>UH And I found various papers over the course of

0:38:57.520 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 2>those decades that were related to it in one way

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 2>or another. And then also I would find other papers

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 2>that were about pellagorate in some other way, written from

0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 2>like the seventies that just seemed unaware that niche stivialization

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 2>was even a factor in anything. So even if it

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 2>was more understood like that had not spread through all

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 2>of the research community. Anyway, we'll talk about some things

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:29.240
<v Speaker 2>on Friday.

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure.

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:36.479
<v Speaker 2>In our behind the scenes, I have some listener mail.

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Fabulous.

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:42.400
<v Speaker 2>This listener mail is from Kristen who wrote in after

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 2>our episode on jan Arson. This says, Hi, Holly and Tracy.

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm a longtime listener and repeat fan mail writer. I

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 2>love your episodes, and I'm particularly interested when I find

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 2>a personal connection to the story you are telling, as

0:39:57.239 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>is the case in your recent episode on Yan Arson.

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I am half Icelandic by descent, and so am tickled

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 2>by your interest in the land of my forefathers. During

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the podcast, Tracy toss in a comment that it's quite

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 2>likely that all Icelanders are descended from Yon Arson in

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 2>one way or another.

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 1>I thought to.

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Myself, challenge accepted, and went to the Icelandic genealogy database

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:25.840
<v Speaker 2>that is at icelandicgroots dot com to see if I

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 2>could establish a personal connection to Yon Arson lo and behold,

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Tracy was right. I am related to Yon Rason, who

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 2>is my twelve times great grandfather or Lancofe. I'm sorry

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 2>if I did not do a great job of pronouncing

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 2>that term. Not only that, but I am related to

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.919
<v Speaker 2>him through fifteen different lines of descents the attached family tree.

0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 2>This is due to the fact that Iceland's population has

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 2>always been relatively small, so most people are related. In fact,

0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:59.160
<v Speaker 2>when I was in Reykievic on a business trip some

0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:01.680
<v Speaker 2>years back, I was invited to a small get together

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 2>after work where I met a recently retired Bishop of Iceland,

0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:10.399
<v Speaker 2>Peter Stegerson. I feel like I left a syllable out

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 2>of that, but I don't think I could do it again.

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned that my mother's family was from Iceland, and

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 2>he responded that we must be related. After I tossed

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 2>a few ancestral names out, he said, of course we

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 2>are distant cousins. I was able to confirm his statement

0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:31.760
<v Speaker 2>recently on the s Icelandic Roots genealogical database. What funds

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:35.320
<v Speaker 2>you have an automatic conversation starter like this? I'm including

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 2>a photo of four generations of my family, me, my mother,

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:42.239
<v Speaker 2>my Ama, and my Lagama. I am not saying their

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 2>names for the sake of privacy, but they are in

0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:48.040
<v Speaker 2>the email. This photo was actually taken in Canada, which

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 2>is in Gimli in Manitoba, which is the largest Icelandic

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 2>settlement outside of Iceland for pat tax I run out

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 2>of current pets to introduce you to you, So I'm

0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 2>going back in time to our family's first kitty. Early

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 2>one Saturday morning, the wife of my father's boss showed

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 2>up at our door. When my mother opened the door,

0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:09.600
<v Speaker 2>the woman said here and shoved a kitten and a

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 2>can of cat food into my mother's hands, and then

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:19.120
<v Speaker 2>strode quickly away. We children, of course, were thrilled at

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the idea of a kitten. My parents bowed to the inevitable.

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 2>They both had a quirky sense of humor, and decided

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:28.200
<v Speaker 2>to name our cat Fido. Fido quickly grew from a

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.960
<v Speaker 2>small kitten to an extremely large cat. The attached photo

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.759
<v Speaker 2>shows Fido being held by then three year old brother

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 2>for Scale Fighter, who lived the ripe old age of

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:41.319
<v Speaker 2>twenty two despite receiving the excessive love from all four

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:45.480
<v Speaker 2>of us kids. Lastly, this made me cry when I

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:47.319
<v Speaker 2>first read it, and so I'm going to try to

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 2>read it without crying. Fingers crossed. I don't know if

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 2>I can, but I'm gonna try. Lastly, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for your gentle benedictions. At the end of

0:42:55.920 --> 0:43:00.239
<v Speaker 2>each Friday behind the scenes podcasts. Kristen just going on

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 2>to talk about how dealing with some things and this

0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 2>positive message at the end of your show gives me

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 2>a little lift going into the weekend. This did made

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 2>me cry when I first read it. I'm crying a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit right now. Thanks for everything, Kristin. Thank you

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:13.760
<v Speaker 2>so much. Kristin.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the.

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Confirmation of the interrelatedness of folks in Iceland. It is

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:25.400
<v Speaker 2>a small islands and the population is small. What a

0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:30.400
<v Speaker 2>great family picture also, and then we have a picture

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 2>of a small child holding a large, very fluffy, white

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 2>and gray kitty cat. And this the cat is almost

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 2>as big as this child whole or so. I love

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:50.720
<v Speaker 2>all of this. Thank you so much for this email

0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:52.879
<v Speaker 2>and for all this about your family, and for your

0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 2>very gentle thank you at the end.

0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I loved this. It made me.

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Tear up and gave me a little bit of a

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 2>lift for the rest of the day. If you would

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