WEBVTT - Draft Shows: 100 Different Ways This Could Go 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:09.239 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:13.039 room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.600 the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:23.239 Dallas Cowboys like d Lamb and now your hosts. Brian 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:29.600 brought us David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeomans. Ladies 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:34.479 and gentlemen, Welcome in to draft season. As the Super 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.320 Bowl is in the rearview mirror. We are just seventy 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:40.400 six days away from the NFL Draft, and we're gonna 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:42.440 break it all down for you eight right here on 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.280 the Draft Show presented by Miller Lite As it is 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.920 a wonderful Tuesday edition of The Draft Show. Kyle Yeoman's, 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.200 Bucky Brooks, Brian brought us David Hellman with you as 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:54.560 we are here for the next hour talking about some 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.200 of the favorite draft prospects and even the draft thinking 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:00.520 whenever it comes to the Dallas Cowboys in resort of 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.600 Super Bowl fifty five and how that might shift the thinking. 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:06.920 But before we get into that, just kind of wanted 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:08.640 to talk about that Super Bowl. I feel like we 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.320 didn't get a chance to go through really our predictions 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.400 or our thoughts on the super Bowl last week because 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.880 we were busy breaking down the Senior Bowl instead of 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.319 the super Bowl. But now that the Super bowls in 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.480 the rearview here, Bucky, were you surprised about the Buccaneers 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.600 getting in there and getting a thirty one to nine victory. 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.080 Another super Bowl ring for Tom Brady and the way 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:35.160 that that team was constructed. Well, I mean, now that 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.160 I get to talk after the Super Bowl, I don't 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.840 have them put up my prediction. No, I wasn't surprised. 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:41.880 I knew all along that when you look at these 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.200 defense not I mean I didn't expect the Buccaneers to 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:46.600 be able to do what they did. But then when 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:48.920 you see the game play out, I think there's some 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.639 things that always go hand in hand. If you invest 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.680 in the offensive and defensive lines, you always have a chance. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.320 If you put speed on defense, particularly at the second level, 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.680 it gives you a chance. And from a coaching staff standpoint, 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.520 if you do things that are necessary to eliminate the 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.080 big plays, you have a chance to win games. And 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.040 the Tampa by Buccaneers played I would almost say the 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.480 perfect game, but they played pretty flawless on both ends. 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.880 And I think the way that They're constructed. They were 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.959 just a team that was perfectly constructed to beat the 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:25.800 Kansi to cheese playing the way that they played, right. Yeah, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.000 you know, it's funny. When I was in the scouting 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.280 world when my team got eliminated, I didn't watch the 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.079 playoffs or the Super Bowl or anything like that. I 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.240 just I just immediately started in the tape. And you know, 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.160 it's so funny. And now that I'm on the media 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.080 side of things, I actually do watch the game. I 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.840 think the thing that we didn't give Tampa enough credit 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.640 for was their ability to adjust their defensive scheme. You know, 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:52.440 after giving up four hundred and sixty seven yards passing 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.400 in Week twelve, you know, Todd Bowles realized, listen, I 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.520 can't play this way and have it come out. I 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.480 do think though, that the buccane years playing Kansas City 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.120 close in Week twelve, going toe to toe with him, 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:09.720 I think that gave him some ideas that, like, you 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.280 know what, we'll be okay if we have to play 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.520 these guys. And at that point in time, you know, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.079 that was their last loss and they've reeled it off 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.600 like a eight straight victories now to win the Super Bowl. 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.720 So I think playing the Chiefs in Week twelve helped them. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.839 I think you have to have a coaching staff that's 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.520 willing to adjust. And if you look at the way 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.040 that Todd as what Todd Bulls did, but what Jason 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.040 light did the General Manager's Buccaneers. You know, he went 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.040 out and kind of built this thing through the draft, 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.560 through the linebackers, their safety, but he also worked through 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.400 free agency to get a couple of different players to 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.400 help with that defensive line. So it's clearly possible to 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.760 do when you start to talk about team building, that 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.000 you can construct your team to compete with one of 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:56.640 the best teams in the National Football League. And I think, 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.680 Kyle is this is what we're going to get into. 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.920 I'm going to avoid the knee jerk reaction this year, Brian. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.760 That's what we were talking about before the show. I'm 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.400 going to avoid the knee jerk reaction because I certainly 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.560 did not expect Tampa. This is very unlike you to 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.520 do this. By the way, thank you, Yeah, I appreciate. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.440 Did we change your mind going into the show? That's 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.040 what I wanted to do. No, I just I think, 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.599 like you know, and it's understandable because only one team 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.560 gets to win the Super Bowl every year. But like 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.240 everybody looks at the Super Bowl winner as like having 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.719 this secret sauce. You know, like everybody spent eight years 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.479 chasing the Seattle Seahawks because they built that incredible team 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.400 that made two Super Bowls, and everybody wants to find 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.240 the next Patrick Mahomes for a similar reason. But you 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.880 look at the Buccaneers. This was a pretty decent team 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:52.159 last year with a pretty ferocious pass rush last year. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.279 By the way, Devin White was a stud as a rookie. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.239 Lavante David has been an underrated All Pro caliber player 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.520 for a long time. Shack Barrett had twenty sacks and 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:07.119 JPP had nine last year. So you take that core 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.360 and add to it a Hall of Fame quarterback, a 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.960 Hall of Fame tight end, a top five pick running back, 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:21.440 and a crazy albeit very talented, All Pro caliber wide receiver. Uh. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.840 You know, I picked Kansas City to win that game. 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.520 I definitely thought that it would be more competitive even 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.760 if Tampa did win. But I shouldn't be surprised that 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.440 this Tampa Bay team was Super Bowl caliber. And on 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.000 top of that, not to take too much credit away 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.920 from them, I don't care what you say. If if 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.360 Mitchell Schwartz and Eric Fisher are available for that game, 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.800 I think Kansas City wins. I think the Chiefs win 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.160 if they can protect Pat Malomes. So I don't I 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.600 don't know. I don't know, Bucky just I don't know. 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.120 I don't know. Like and I think I think this 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.720 right because like the guys that Dave rout it off, 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.200 those guys made contributions in the Super Bowl, but they 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.120 weren't really the coin radiance of the cake that the 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.720 big Buccaneers baked, like Antonio Brown and Rob Gronkowsky. They 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.000 showed up in the Super Bowl, but they have been 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.800 relatively quiet the whole time. I think the strategy is 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.320 a league quarterback and elite playing the trenches will always 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.279 give you a chance. Like this team, quietly to Tristan 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:22.160 Worth's in the first round, solidified the offensive line. They're 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.320 able to run the football because as much as we 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.479 would give credit to Tom Brady, they won in the 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.159 playoffs because playoff Lenny showed up and they began to 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.080 play old school football. They've managed the game. They let 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.960 their defense create a ton of takeaways and it really 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.000 set them up. And so when I look at this 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.880 team in terms of the lessons that we can learn. Man, 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.839 if you got pass rushers, if you have speed at linebacker, 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.520 if you can bully people at the offensive line, it 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:51.159 doesn't really matter what you have outside. It gives you 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:52.880 a chance to get to that point where you can 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:56.039 play playoff football. This is gonna sound nitpicky, but I 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.880 would just say those guys showed up in the entire playoffs. 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.599 You know, I'd be like Flournette caught fire, Gronkowski played 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:05.960 well in the playoffs, like it wasn't just the Super Bowl. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.560 But I don't, I don't disagree with you, and I 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.280 guess just my and not to give tom Brady all 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:14.000 of the credit, but this was a seven and nine 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.320 team with a lot of the same core contributors, and 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.600 they win the Super Bowl because they have Tom Brady 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.200 and again not just because of him. Yeah. My final 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.440 point about this guy's is and we talk about how 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.840 to build teams, but also about coaching, Todd Bowles went 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.240 out of his element to make a game plan that 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.200 could help his defense win. On the other hand, Andy 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:40.160 Reid eric the enemy with the compromised offensive line, they 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.160 should have tried to run the football. They should have 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:46.120 tried to wear down Tampa's rush, and when Tampa made 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.360 them one dimensional, that was it. It was over, you know, 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.520 I mean both teams. If you look at Tampa, Tampa 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.480 didn't run the ball until late in the year. I 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.760 mean it was they were the one team that every 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.600 time you looked up they were last in the league. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.360 When it came to second down, they were second and 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.960 eight all year, you know. And I think that when 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.720 you look at Bowls the plan he did Andy read them. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.040 On the other side, they didn't protect that offensive line. 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.360 That offensive line was compromised. Maybe you could have helped 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.920 them by trying to run the football and maybe lean 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.080 on Tampa Bay's pass rush a little bit and make 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.000 them have to do that. Even though the Bucks were 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.480 number one in the league when it came to run defense, 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.200 I think you still had to try it. And they didn't. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:30.800 They exposed their quarterback to a beating because they weren't 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.839 willing to adapt their their game plan like Todd Bowles 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:36.960 was on the other side, and you did right. So 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.160 here here, here's here's fun David, and I want to 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.040 get get this out. So here's the thing that I 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.040 think we all struggle with right because we just saw 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.720 this last year with the Cowboys. There's a thing where 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.520 you can say, hey, we do what we do, right, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:54.280 that's what we do as it was right they had 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.920 twenty five and one coming into this game doing what 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.120 they do. We play eleven personnel. We don't go two 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.079 tight ends. We're faster than you. You can't stop us. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.719 Deal with it. And then you have the other way 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.520 where you talk about Todd Bowles utilizing maybe a multiple 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.320 prong approach, like hey we can play some cover two, 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.439 we can play three, will blitz, will do all this. 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.240 And so it's the debate because we saw that approach 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.959 fail in Dallas where Mike Nolan wanted to be hey, 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.079 let's be multiple, let's throw all this stuff out and 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.599 let's do all these different coverages, and the players are like, 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.360 h no, I can't do that. And so it's it's 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:32.320 funny and I do wonder what lessons will be learned 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.920 from watching how Tampa Bay win. You know, this is 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.439 an interesting thing to watch. There was also this out 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.240 there too, and I'll oh, sorry, Kyle, go ahead, no, 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:45.480 go for it, Dave. I just this this is not new, 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.560 but I'll tie it into the Cowboys, and they're very 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:52.320 obvious draft needs. This is like as old of an 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.040 adage as there is. I'm not saying anything groundbreaking, but 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.280 it's hard not to notice that these two teams were 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.080 very strong up the middle defense of Lee. Right, you 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.120 talk about you talk about getting Vita Vaya back from 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.840 a broken ankle, you talk about you know, and Domikinsue 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.040 has been a beast for a decade. Uh, Devin White 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.280 and Lavonte David. Like I said, I don't like the 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.959 idea of drafting off ball linebackers super high, but if 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.520 you're telling me it's Levante David or Devin White, I'm 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.080 pretty damn interested. And then you got you know, you 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.960 have you have guys like h Antoine Winfield, junior Tyron 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.319 Matthew making plays all over the field. I don't know 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.280 if it would have changed the outcome, but the the 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.240 Tyre and Matthew interception that got taken away was bs 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.320 that should have been a pick. Well, I'll see you 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.480 what too. And again we're going back. We've talked about 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.960 this so previous shows. The shorter players they have opportunity. 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.440 Now you know, CHRISTI should turn away from the shorter 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.760 player if you could play, you could play, and it's 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.840 it's it's there are some things about the measurables that 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.480 you you should believe in. But if you could play, 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.760 you could play. And that's the things about guys like 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:02.240 Winfield and those linebackers Tampa. You know, if you could run, 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.600 if you could cover, if you could get to the ball, 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.160 if you could finish, we you know, we have to 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.160 consider you because again, you just can't say, oh, we're 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.320 gonna get this kind of guy and this kind of guy. No, 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.360 you have to keep your eyes open for all types 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:19.200 of players to make part of your roster. And going 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.000 off of that, Brian, and you're talking about these players 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.079 that can play, and you're talking about the tape and 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:29.400 even whether or not the position specifically it fits. Whatever 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.400 your defense is, does this change your thought process about 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.640 a guy like a Mica and Parsons. And I know, Dave, 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.920 whenever you were talking about off ball linebackers, that's who 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.840 you were referring to, especially at pick number ten. But Brian, 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.880 if you're talking about finding those players, the film is 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.680 there for Micah Parsons, it's the character, it's the drive 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:54.400 kind of concerns that might kind of stray you away. Yeah. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.880 I mean, that's the thing. I think with Parsons, you 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.800 have to look at his situation and say, okay, yeah, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.600 physically he looks great, but does he make enough plays? 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.480 I mean, And that's the that's the scary part of 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.720 these evaluations is you can get as a scout, as 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.360 we all watch these tapes and these games, you can 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.560 get mesmerized by how big he is good, he looks 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.679 in that number eleven running around out there. But you know, 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.840 the bottom line is is he in on every tackle. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.400 That's the thing when you watch the guys like White 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.080 and David and those guys they're in college, they're in 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.960 on every tackle. Yeah, that's the things that gets you 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:35.120 excited about watching take Winfield the same way, the reason 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.000 why you would take a shorter safety is because this 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.800 kid would knock you out, he'd play the ball, he 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.679 finished as a tackler. Those are the types of things 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.520 you look for, and I think with Parsons you get scared. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.800 You honestly get scared because there'll be four or five 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:54.280 plays where he's just not involved and you're thinking, damn, 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.760 a guy that big has to be in the middle 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.800 of all this, you know, and you wonder if it's immatured, 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.800 if it's just football intelligence, is it just desire. I mean, 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.040 all these things kind of pop in your head. But 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.839 you watch him play, how he looks physically on the field, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:14.120 you become seduced by watching that, and that's a scary 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.480 thing to have to deal with, I think, Brian, I 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.120 think a couple of things that you touched on that 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.440 are intriguing to me. One we talk about like the 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.600 off the ball linebacker conversation. I think that's a fascinating 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.520 conversation because I don't know where those adages came from, 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.240 but it's kind of like we talk about the off 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.400 the ball linebacker. I just know this. When I watched 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.760 Devin White and Lavante David play, they suck up everything. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:39.480 And I think if you go back and watch them 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:43.240 in college, they did the same exact thing. Like their energy, 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.760 their relentlessness, their passion in terms of pursuing the ball, 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.600 it stands out. And then I'm gonna be honest, maybe 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.760 some of this is old school, Like I like guys 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.839 that not taste out your mouth, Like Devin White when 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.679 he was hitting the Kansa City Chiefs, he was hitting 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.679 them to put them out. And I think when we 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.080 get to the playoffs and those things, you need to 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.079 have those kinds of guys. I think when Michael Parsons, 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.000 I think the first thing that we have to do 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.840 before we talked about him, who is coaching him? Because 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.360 I think you have to scout the coaches because if 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.040 you have a guy who can get that out of him, 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:18.880 then it's one thing. But if you have a mild 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.440 mannered linebacker coach, a more cerebral linebacker coach, a one 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.360 who can't kind of like urge and take out the 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.800 pronger and kind of get that, you're wasting your time 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.200 because he's never going to change or he's not going 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.280 to raise his standard of expectation when it comes to it. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.320 But in looking at him, man like, I know he 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.280 hasn't played in the year, but when you see him 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.840 his ability to blitz, his size and strength, when he 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.800 turns it on and he runs through people, you feel 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.240 his presence on tape. Can you get him to hustle more? 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.080 I don't know. I think that's where you have to 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.160 dig into the character of him and see how much 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:54.840 does he love it, because if he loves it, he'll 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.120 play hard. Yeah, see this is the thing we talk 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.320 about too. If you watch the Notre Dame kid Koragora, Yeah, 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.600 he's two hundred and twenty pounds and making every single tackle. 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.120 I mean he is, and he is in every single play. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.360 You watch him play and you're like going, my gosh, 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.120 this kid's a good football player. You know. You watch 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.840 the kid Bolton, It's another one we've talked about from Missouri. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.320 He's a shorter guy, he's in every single play. Those 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.040 are the kinds of things when you're looking at a 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.800 sixty three, two hundred forty four pound linebacker, you're expecting 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.920 that from him. And that's what's scary. That is what's 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.800 so scary because but but to what the point I 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.440 was making earlier, you shouldn't be afraid of the Notre 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.720 Dame linebacker. You shouldn't be afraid of the Missouri linebacker. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.160 You know why because they're making plays, they're finishing tackles, 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.160 they're physical, is what they're doing. There's no questions about 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.640 those guys. So there's guys out there and you but 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.520 the coaches, like Bucky said, have got to be willing 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.280 to coach them hard when they have to to to 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.440 entertain Like maybe they have some flaws, work around those flaws, 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.480 help them develop a little bit. That's where coaching comes 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.000 into that guy. But if you if you reach a 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.800 guy like that, that kid at Penn State, you could 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:08.000 have a rear player. You really really could, David, if 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.240 you if you have win guys here. I was going 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.160 to ask you this really quickly. If you have one 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.720 guy out of that list of linebackers that could potentially 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.680 fit with the Cowboys, and you could take them up, 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.160 and you could pluck them right there, and you think 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.400 that no matter what round it is, it could be 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.560 in any round, which one would you do it for? 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.600 Would it be Core Moore, would it be would it 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.800 be a Bolton? Is it still Parsons? Up at the 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.040 top of the draft? Which one would you take, pluck 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.880 and put right in the middle of that Cowboys defense? Well, 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.040 that's actually I was about to say, is and I 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.480 think we've brought this up since dan Quinn was hired, 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.000 But I think you have to consider a different class 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.400 of linebacker in light of the type of linebackers that 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.640 dan Quinn has favored in the past. Like I've you know, 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:54.040 I've brought up Dion Jones, Devin White's LSU teammate. He's 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.800 he's six six foot and a half two twenty five 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.520 like the Saint A. These aren't hulking monster lie backers. 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.320 And they made him a second round pick. And I 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.320 brought this up last night. I'm I'm not the guy. 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.800 I'm gonna leave that to Brian to tell you where 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.720 you need to draft these guys. But I freaking and 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:17.320 or Bucky for that matter, I love Jeremiah Ousuko Orma like. 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.640 He's fun to watch. I think he's got a very 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.119 modern element to his game in the sense that you know, 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.520 Notre Dame moves him over to the slot to handle 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:28.760 some of that. He can play linebacker, he can probably 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.399 do a little safety. He blitzes, he gets after the quarterback, 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.919 he tackles everything, he makes plays on the ball, and 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.399 that's all the stuff that I want from somebody in 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.159 the middle of my defense. So I'm not sure if 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.040 he's worth the tenth overall pick, but I like that 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.080 guy a lot. I would be thrilled to have him 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.760 on my defense. He's a good player, and I think 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.000 everything you guys talk about matters. And I'm glad that 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.680 you brought up the point about DQ because I think 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.879 that really changes the temperature when it comes to the 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.040 linebackers that will be in the conversation, because if you 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:03.439 go back and you look at his history, and you 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.840 look at the history when those guys were in Seattle, 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:10.639 those linebackers aren't prototypical size wise. Those guys are fast 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:14.679 guys that play and can go sideline the sideline. I 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.000 do think the one thing that stands out, I don't 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.800 know if he's ever been around a first round linebacker, 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.720 like I think Bobby Wagner was a second rounder. kJ 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.000 Wright was someone that went later in the draft. You 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.879 go to Atlanta, they never invested a first rounder and 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.600 a linebacker. So I think it's probably looking a little 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.639 bit beneath the surface to try and find who's in 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:40.199 that next tier who has those Lavante David Devin White, 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.360 fast playmaking trace that you're like, Okay, if I put 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.480 them behind big defensive tackles, they can run and flow 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.040 and do all those things that you wanted to do. 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.480 The guy that was interesting to me in that case, 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.560 and I think you're dead on with this, Bucky. I 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.399 just don't see them using a first round pick. I mean, 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.159 I love the Notre Dame kid. I would because I 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.719 see in the stay in age how you have to 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.639 have and it's an overused term. We do it all 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.640 the time with the radio, the position flex. Rod Marinelli 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:10.240 used to wear us out about position flex and all that. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:14.159 But you watch Coreymoor play. He's lining up in the slot, 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.639 he's lining up at linebacker, he's you know, he's doing everything. 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.280 And maybe this was what killed Isaiah Simmons last year 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.240 at Clemson, that we watched him so much doing so 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.800 many different things and he didn't do anything. You know, 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:28.760 It's like put him in a spot, let him play. 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.960 So maybe if you look at the second tier linebackers, 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:34.919 I might drive you guys nuts with this guy. But 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:39.280 the Pete Warner kid from Ohio State to me six one, 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:43.600 two thirty five, he runs, he tackles. Here's a guy 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.200 that probably is not going to be a first round guy, 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.359 but man, in the second round, you're picking at forty four. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:51.880 I'm kind of liking what I'm seeing with this guy 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.080 because he's got that ability. He was a converted safety, 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.800 so he kind of understands like the coverage aspect of things. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.000 But he also is you put him down there as 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:05.400 a linebacker. He's getting after people. He's running sideline to sidelines, 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.040 he's getting he's getting behind the line of scrimmage, he's 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.879 making plays. He's a finisher. So I mean, those are 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.920 the types of guys I'm looking at for potentially if 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.520 they didn't go first round at linebacker, Bucky, Bucky, cover 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:21.920 your ears real quick, because I don't want I don't 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.320 want you to hear this at linebackers. I don't want 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.360 you to hear this linebacker slander. But that would be 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.480 that would be an ideal outcome for me. Like I'm 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:34.080 not dying to spend Like I've said this before, I'm 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.040