1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast is weary of shadowy league figures. 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the League Podcast. 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal and I'm joined by a country filled 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: with some heroes. Mark Sessler and Dan Hansis in New York, 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: Chris Wesley and Kevin Patra in Culver City. We've also 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: got gold Standard behind the glass. What is happening? The 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: NFL Draft is over? Thank god? Come on? What do 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: you You're not excited? I know that feeling after three 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: days of city in that seat in Radio City Music Hall. 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: It's interesting that, Yeah, it becomes a situation where you 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: feel like and we commented on Mark and Alex one 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: of our photographers in Handsome Hank the Notorious DP, that 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: at a certain point it feels like, uh, Mark, I 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: believe you said it, that you're in a submarine that 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: is sunk to the bottom of the sea and your 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: trapped together water image. Uh. Well, we've got a lot 17 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: to talk about. We we did the first round picks 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: on Thursday night. That feels like so long ago, so 19 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: we can We're gonna go over some big stories from 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: day two and three of the draft, and then we'll 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: get into the meat of the show, some winners and losers, 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: and then we'll set Mark and Dan free into the 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: New York night. What what we're on the plans today? 24 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: Karaoke night, gentlemen? Are you serious? What's your top? Twenty 25 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 1: seven Downtown getting together some old high school friends. Marks 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: gonna tag along. I'm hearing about this just now. Ryan, Maki, 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Yanna and I karaoke to Dumpty Dance the other night 28 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: at Jocks's. Daily Man, this sounds like an awesome plan 29 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: if I was twenty four? All right, why don't we 30 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: start with Michael Sam just because it's so it's so 31 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: fresh in our minds, and we're gonna get to the 32 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: big ball story soon. But it's rare that the draft 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: ends with a big story, and this happened only a 34 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: few picks left in the draft. That it's kind of 35 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: the lasting memory that a lot of people have from 36 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: the draft, certainly from day three, which was quiet. Michael 37 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: Sam gets taken by the rams market Dan, what what 38 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: was the reaction there in New York? It was he 39 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: got a nice reaction. I think that once you've got 40 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: to the seventh round and it started to progress, um there, 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: you could kind of sense it that people were just 42 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: kind of keyed in on that, and uh, I believe 43 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: it was. The Cowboys had a pick earlier in the 44 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: seventh round and the first name of the player they 45 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: selected was Michael and the crowd made, you know, audibly 46 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: side or groaned when it wasn't Sam. And then when 47 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: the Rams came up and it was Sam, it was 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: a really nice you know, there wasn't a lot of 49 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: people in the building at that point. This is an 50 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: event that stretches about six hours or so on on 51 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: the final day, Saturday, but the people that were in 52 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: the building, everybody got on their feet and there was 53 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: a nice applause and then a little bit of a 54 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: Michael Sam chance. So it was it was a nice 55 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: moment to close the draft. The NFL avoided some bad press. 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: I feel like with this is whether it would have 57 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: been fair or not is not a conversation for this podcast, 58 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: but it would have gotten the NFL would have gotten. 59 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: We talked about this ruin this annount once Sam first 60 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: made his announcement, and you know, if and it maybe 61 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been the NFL sall because there's been 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: a lot of talk that this guy doesn't have the 63 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: measurables of the abilities to be a real competitive NFL player, 64 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: But that narrative would have taken off if he didn't 65 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: get picked. So the NFL, yeah, certainly dodged a Bill 66 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: bullet and by getting him on a roster, it it 67 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: saves a lot of headaches on Park Avenue. Well, he 68 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: would have. He would have been signed quickly anyways, but 69 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: it just would have been a bad luck. And it's 70 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 1: not a surprise to me that Jeff Fisher, of all 71 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: people we talked about, the Giants and the Steelers might 72 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: have been teams that would take Sam for the good 73 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: of the league. I mean, no one is more of 74 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: a league guy than Jeff Fisher. He's the head of 75 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: the NFL's competition committee. He cares about the bigger picture, 76 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe that's a factor. And Michael Sam 77 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: with the school locally, so he's already accepted in that area. 78 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: And Fisher said, uh right away that he'd been thinking 79 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: about this for the last week. And it's kind of 80 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: like it's great Sam got drafted, but then again, if 81 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: he was undrafted, he could have picked this team that's 82 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: gonna be a tough team to make with that With 83 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: that defensive line. It's about as loaded as it gets. 84 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: I thought it was a cool moment. It certainly, you know, 85 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: they had him and the boyfriend, and it probably made 86 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: a lot of people uncomfortable around the country, and I 87 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: sort of like that. It's good for people to get uncomfortable. Thoughts. 88 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: I agree that it's good for people to get uncomfortable. 89 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the day two and 90 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: three highlights and just kind of go through them one 91 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: by one. Derek Carr really started the biggest news I 92 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: would say to start date to going to the Oakland Raiders. 93 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: You mentioned him Chris Wesley as a guy who could 94 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: play right away in Oakland, and you got you got 95 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: some Raiders fans. Upset. Raiders fans were born upset, modifications 96 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: were born upset at Chris Wesley. Well, maybe they should 97 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: be more upset at their franchise. That would probably be 98 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: better directed. But um, okay, So I think it's no 99 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: secret that I think Shop has done as an effective 100 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: starting quarterback. So I don't see why the guy who 101 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: was drafted right around the same place as Andy Dalton 102 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: couldn't come in and start in a similar fashion. The 103 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: only reason I would be skeptical is that Reggie mackenzie 104 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: has drafted Tyler Wilson and signed Matt Flynn and signed 105 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: Matt Shob So I'm waiting to see what he knows 106 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: about quarterbacks. Not a promising track record when it comes 107 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: to picking your quarterback group. I would say one thing 108 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: because I could have seen a team do this, which 109 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: is take a guy like Derek Carr in the first 110 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: round much higher up, which just sets him up for 111 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: absolute speculation and the potential implosion. At least they didn't. 112 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: At least they got a great player at number one. 113 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: I I'm with you, Chris, though I Tarra Carr is 114 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: one guy that I would say, just by the pedigree alone, 115 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: I am suspicious of that might not be fair, but 116 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: I that is so unfair. It is I wanted to 117 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: see Houston double down and go car part two. It's 118 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: very fair in the sense that David Carr was much 119 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: more highly rated coming into the league and we never 120 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: really got a chance to see what David Carr could do. 121 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: In my opinion, that the what the situation he got 122 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: to put into one of the all time arguably the 123 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: worst situation a rookie was ever put into. So I 124 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: think we saw it. We got quite a chance to 125 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: see him play. I'm across the room from Dan here 126 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: and we are glaring at each other. Yea, yeah, this 127 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: is awkward. Dan's point is fair too. That was an 128 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: awful offensive line they put him behind. That he was 129 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: going to be a great quarterback. He would have become 130 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: a great quarterback, but he did get gunshry. You could 131 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: see it in his play after that as well. Even 132 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: the owner admitted that. Right, But isn't that what bad 133 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks do. They are put in a bad situation and 134 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: it's snowballs, and some can overcome that. This is a 135 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: tough one not to be labor this, but difference between 136 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: a bad situation and David Carr's situation. So I just 137 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: I think he was in a uniquely bad situation. And 138 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: I just think this guy, Derek Carr, deserves the benefit 139 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: of data. It's ten years later, twelve years later, it's 140 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: a different dude, it's a different world, it's a different NFL. 141 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I I think too many people 142 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: have written this guy off is potentially a bust just 143 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: because something that happened in an NFL century ago. And 144 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: we do know he has some tools. He does have 145 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: a strong arm. Nobody's doubted that he does have some athleticism. 146 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: I think he could be good. Whether he would be 147 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: good to come in right away for the Raiders remains 148 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: to be seen. We know that he other teams did 149 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: like him. The Titans were willing to take him if 150 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: he If the Raiders didn't, yeah, that and that would 151 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: have been another plug. It's one of those other things. 152 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: I love thinking about this, and I love these stories 153 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: on draft weekend of what was going to happen and 154 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: just how that would change everything. Ian Rappaport reported the 155 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: Titans were set to take Derek car And so he 156 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: would have been in competition with Jake Locker. He could 157 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: have been their guy for the future. Instead, they wind 158 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: up with Zach Mettenberger four rounds later. And for Raiders fans, 159 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: this is a rare draft where they're gonna get some 160 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: real hope and some love and some kudos from the 161 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: national press, which is worth about nothing. But you've got 162 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: Khalil Mackie, get car Uh, and you get a couple 163 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: of big guys in the next couple of rounds. And 164 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 1: then Mike Max says, look, the Raiders are four for four. 165 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: And picks. When when is the last time you heard 166 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: anyone say that about the Raiders. Well, one thing about 167 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: this Derek car thing. One last thing when you talk about, oh, 168 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: the Raiders have done a nice job because they've drafted 169 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: a rookie that's not going to be thrown into the fire. 170 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: Nothing about Matt shob has me convinced that he won't 171 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: be an utter train wreck by about a week four. 172 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: This guy car is going to be on the field 173 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: by Octo over. I could see that happening very easily. 174 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: He was one of the big stories early in that round, 175 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: but I think one of the other ones was another 176 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: guy that fell, Marquis Lee going to the Jaguars. Then 177 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: later they draft Chris Wesseling's favorite rookie wide receiver or 178 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: one of his favorite guys coming out, Alan Robinson. They 179 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,599 Speaker 1: also say that Justin Blackman's career with the Jaguars is 180 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: probably over. They say he's done for this year, and 181 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: they certainly make it sound like he's never coming back. 182 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: Are the Jaguars a little frisky here with this receiver combination? 183 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: I think they are. All. You take both of those 184 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: guys and then cecil shorts their strength of their games. 185 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: All of them is run after the catch, their playmakers, 186 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: and I think it's fair to say if Marcus Lee 187 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: and Sammy Watkins both came out in two thousand thirteen, 188 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: Lee could have gone ahead of Sammy Watkins. Absolutely, I 189 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: think he would have. This past year really dragged him down, 190 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that it was completely his fault. 191 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: He had some injuries and the quarterback play at USC 192 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: was awful, just terrible, so he didn't get any help. 193 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: And the and the nagging knee injury which scared some 194 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: teams off, is a partial concern, but I don't think 195 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: the Jags have any concern. I think in today's NFL 196 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: with the bubble screens, I think it fits his game perfectly. 197 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: I think that was a great pick by the by 198 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: the Jaguars, and I think Jacksonville has done a nice 199 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: job in short order of revamping the entire offense. You've got, 200 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: in theory, a franchise quarterback and Blaine Gabbert is, you know, 201 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: three thousand miles away. That's good. You've got what they 202 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: what they're calling is their new franchise running back, you know, 203 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: their workhorse, and they're running their wide receiver corps, which was, 204 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, three days ago and shambles outside of the 205 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: with you know, at the loss of Blackman is suddenly 206 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: and completely intriguing. They've done a good job here in Jacksonville. 207 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: There's I think that fan base which is essentially had 208 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: nothing to cling onto for half a decade plus, if 209 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: not a full decade, they do Now you had me 210 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: with the three thousand miles, although I feel like it'd 211 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: be better if he was in Hawaii, you know, I 212 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: mean to make a couple of thousand miles just to 213 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: make sure, But then you lost me with the franchise 214 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: riding back. I don't know what Toby, I'm not calling 215 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: him that, but they're calling him. They're bell cow. Now, 216 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: just just keep doubting Toby Gearhart that we don't none 217 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: of us know how that will work. But but Gearhart 218 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: has done well and limited duty. I mean, it's like 219 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: they're just they're just hoping that works out. He's not 220 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: the only running back. But but all again, what all 221 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: bad teams. It goes back to the X the wild 222 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: card at quarterback, the X factor at quarterback. We don't 223 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: know what Blake Portles will give. We know what Chad 224 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: Henny's not going to be a good quarterback. We still 225 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: don't know about Blake Portles. By the way, I love 226 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: how much more comfortable we are talking about Allen Robinson 227 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: and Toby Gerhardt than we are talking about Michael Sam 228 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: Put that on you. Greg. Yeah, I know, it's it's 229 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: my bad leadership and hosting. I guess I can't wait 230 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: till Dan gets back here. We need you. But but 231 00:11:54,040 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: since I and then make eye contact and set everyone 232 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: at ease with your eyes. Oh you didn't see this, 233 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: that doesn't make it's not easy. Since since I am 234 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: in the host chair, we can talk about the Patriots 235 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: as much as I want. Jimmy GARAPLO. Forget Tom Brady. 236 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: We've got a new quarterback of the future. Brady's old 237 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: news or, as I like to call him, Rohan Davey. 238 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: There is a way you want to talk about draft losers. 239 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: Tom Brady is certainly one of them. You know, instead 240 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: of building up the roster for one last crack at 241 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl with Tom terrific, they invested their second 242 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: round pick on his replacement. The NFL is a cold 243 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: blooded league. But even Thomas would be like, come on, Bill, 244 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: I trusted you. What did it say? About damn that 245 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna say Tom Brady was the 246 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: biggest loser because Garoo was more hands just. I would 247 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: say Brady's probably hotter, still give up a little a 248 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: couple of years and to get his millions. You know, 249 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: rich people are always better looking. I thought you were 250 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: going to go somewhere I didn't know, but definitely non 251 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: football wife related. So we were all on the same page. 252 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: There's a difference. There's a difference between Garoppolo and Ryan 253 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: Mallett and who is the guy Kevin O'Connell who they 254 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: took it on. So this is something they've done before 255 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: Rohan Davy back in the day with a different quarterback. 256 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: There's a difference. Garoppolo will be under contract when Tom 257 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: Brady is forty years old. I mean, I love Tom Brady, 258 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: but there's a chance I think we can accept that 259 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: he's no longer the starting quarterback of the Patriots when 260 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: he's forty years old. And this is I'm still convinced 261 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: he's playing at fifty. And then they do when he 262 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: suffered you know, has like a major laceration and it's 263 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: just metal robotics underneath the skin. Wow. Even when Mark's 264 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: talking about a quarterback, iconic quarterback being a robot. It 265 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: turns out there's a major injury that lets us know 266 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: that that's the truth. Do you really believe he couldn't 267 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: play with the way he plays in the pocket and 268 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: he's not all about getting out, He couldn't play into 269 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: his forties. Yeah, years from what usually happens in these situations. 270 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: They can still throw fire, but they can't escape pressure anymore, 271 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: and they don't get they don't recover from injuries, injuries 272 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: nearly quickly, or you get happy in the pocket. Who knows, 273 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: maybe he could. He's got four guaranteed years. He has 274 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: the weirdest contract in the NFL, A fully guarant chick 275 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: who has has a history of taking you know, town 276 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: heroes and shredding them. Bernie Kozar cut that's the city 277 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: on fire. He got Drew Blette go out of there. 278 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I understand that, you know, the Brady 279 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: thing sounds crazy to let him go, but Belichick is 280 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: not an emotional guy. He's Belichick. Also. You know people 281 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: talked about, oh, he'll be gone in two years, three years. Yeah, 282 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: he would love to prove that he can win games 283 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: with the next quarterback. Yeah, I can't wait until Belichick 284 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: cut calls Brady into his office to cut him and 285 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: puts out his cigar right on his forehead, talking, my god, 286 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I am God. Well, well done, 287 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: gold Standard. How was your draft? By the way, do 288 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: you watch the NFL draft? I did. I watched all 289 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: of the NFL Draft. I was. I even threw out 290 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: some tweets for Dan he did. And I think it's 291 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: time that we start giving gold Standards some respect. That's 292 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: a football fan. He's been plugged in. He's been active 293 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: on social media, mostly with UM Sports on the other 294 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: side of the ocean. But you could tell he's putting 295 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: in the effort and you really got to respect that. 296 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Well, let's well, let's put you on 297 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: the spot. Then, what do you think is Jimmy Garoppolo 298 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: gonna eventually succeed Tom Brady in New England? I see, 299 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: I don't know my Eastern Illinois football well enough, but 300 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: I will say, hey, look at that, right, But I 301 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: will say that I think it was a really it 302 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: looked like it was the product of a ton of 303 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: soul searching from Belichick, Like you have all those quarterbacks 304 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: on the board. I thought he might wait till later 305 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: and get like an Aaron Murray, even though he's not 306 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: like Tom Brady. I thought that might have been an 307 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: interesting move. All right. I've got a couple of things 308 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: to say based off of that, Mark and Dan, you 309 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: don't have to go home, Patra, you're fired, gold standard. 310 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: It's gonna run the Around the League podcast and everything else. 311 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: But what do you what do you say that? Uh 312 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: Garoppolo is also the least known quantity out of all 313 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: of them too, So it's kind of belichicking to take 314 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: that least known quantity and bury him for three years 315 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: and then try to weasel a third round draft pick 316 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: out of somebody as well. Yeah, it's just an insurance probably. 317 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I am the biggest Tom Brady 318 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: guy ever. But it's a possibility, and they wouldn't take 319 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: a guy this high. And I think maybe there's a 320 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: little bit of it's not too bad to stoke Brady's 321 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: fire as he's getting older and yours. And I think 322 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: there's definitely something to what Sessler said that it's a 323 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: it's a bit of an indication that, you know, maybe 324 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: Belichick is thinking beyond just the Brady years. He said, 325 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: you gotta take a quarterback too early than too late, 326 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: and here he did. Let's get to a couple of 327 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: veteran wide receivers. He one one more point I need 328 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: to make Greg. I just want I just want you. 329 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: You're certainly aware of it, but I wanted to really 330 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: soak in that this weekend represented the beginning of the 331 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: end of the Tom Brady era and your little glory 332 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: rideally in the back end. You are in the back nine. 333 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: The sun's going down. You're on the seventeenth hole. So 334 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: just savor it. When I told you that Mark and 335 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: I were listening to The Living Years by Mike and 336 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 1: the Mechanics on Thursday night after the draft, there are 337 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: some parallels between Tom Brady and those que Patriots fans, 338 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: and it's all over. You love him. Make sure he 339 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: knows it before he's gone. A fide note. Here Dan 340 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: is dressed from head to toe in navy what I 341 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: would call like a jet screen with a green cap 342 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: on two. I don't know where he got this, but 343 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: this guy is rocking the Jets color. I don't know 344 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: of Marks. I've been, you know, amazed. The last couple 345 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: of years that it hadn't already crumbled. I am fully aware. 346 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed this all. When they lost the second Super 347 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: Bowl to the Giants, that was the moment where I 348 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: just thought, all right, well, they're not gonna get another 349 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: one with great so it's it's all been golden, it's 350 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: been fun. I'm ready. Yeah, I probably am right. Sadly, 351 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: let's talk about a team that has a a good 352 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: chance to win a Super Bowl in the next couple 353 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: of years. The San Francisco forty nine has that for 354 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: a professional segue? Do we like the Stevie Johnson trade 355 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: to San Francisco? I do. I think when you're a contender, 356 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: you owe it to yourself to get proven players and 357 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: embrace your championship window, which they're doing. They needed a 358 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: third receiver. Stevie Johnson came cheaply. You don't have to 359 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: pay him a lot of money. As Greg pointed out, 360 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: he falls under the heartline for the acceptable amount of 361 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: money to pay for a second tier starting wide receiver. 362 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: Brian Hartline even responded to that tweet, which I appreciated. 363 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe he's even listening. Do you to explain 364 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: the heartline? Well, the Friend of the Round, like Around 365 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: the League podcast, was a great guest. The heartline is 366 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: really wide receivers. That makes six million dollars a year. 367 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: So if if you're under that and you're a starter, 368 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: that that's kind of like the baseline for a so 369 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: so starting wide receivers. So they have a pretty good 370 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: deal with Johnson. Why not? It seems like a nice 371 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: Does Stevie Johnson make the Niners his wide receiver corps better? Obviously? 372 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: So is he the speedy game breaker we all wanted 373 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: them to get. Not exactly, but he's a great guy, 374 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: gives them some some depth and and I think he'll 375 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: make some plays. I think that I like that move. 376 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: I thought it was good hashtag analysis. There's so much 377 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: more improved in the passing game from where they were 378 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: in September and October of last year when Kaepernick was 379 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: throwing to either Bolden or Vernon Davis but rarely to 380 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: both of them. Right, they got a million guys, there's 381 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: no way Brandon Lloyd's making this team. By the way, 382 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: Quentin Patton might not make the team. It's fair point. 383 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: I think it's a good movi uh in that he 384 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: Stevie Johnson is good at getting off press coverage and 385 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: running option routes, and those are two things of the 386 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks do well. So I think that's a good 387 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: move to counter what they've been doing. I think we 388 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: should just end it there. That's such a good point. 389 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,239 Speaker 1: And they did take while I'm gonna add one little thing, 390 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: they did add a speeds there. Eventually it was the 391 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: fourth round, but it was Andre Ellington's cousin who's also 392 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: a speeds there, Bruce Ellington. So who knows, maybe he'll 393 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: he'll help out. Now let's get to uh, a little 394 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: bit of a downer for the week, and it concerns 395 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: your Brown's mark. You know where I'm going with this. 396 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: After the ecstasy of Thursday night, we got news that 397 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: Josh Gordon is facing a potential lengthy suspension. According to 398 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport, we don't know anything more than that other 399 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: than he failed a drug test and it it sounds 400 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: like he could be out for a chunk of the season. 401 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: We'll see, we don't really know how long it's gonna be. 402 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: Describe after Thursday's high, uh, what that was like finding 403 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: out on Friday? Uh, you know, I would say that 404 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: the there was a period of waking hours of maybe 405 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: eight or nine waking hours of unbridled optimism quickly torched 406 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: to the ground like a dry wheat field, I mean 407 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: just utterly eradicated. And it with Gordon, it was always 408 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: a sense of there's no sense that this guy has 409 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: had some sort of Chris Carter turnaround. It was the 410 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: other shoe could drop at any moment, and somehow, because 411 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: it's Cleveland, the timing was it was so brown and 412 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: the just you know, the other shoe dropped, and there 413 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: were a lot of Browns fans in that Radio City 414 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: Music Hall center, and you could just sense that they 415 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: were as the news was kind of spreading across the room. 416 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: And then when Cleveland doesn't take a wide receiver, which 417 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: I understand, they're gonna stick to the draft board and 418 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: they can talk about that until they're blue in the face. 419 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: But your fan base doesn't understand that sometimes, and I 420 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: think that the the trajectory of that hold draft went 421 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: down sharply from there and never really recovered. I felt 422 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: bad for Mark immediately when the news hit, but I 423 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: didn't really feel genuine pathos until he tweeted out watch 424 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: out for Charles Johnson seventh round draft pick last year 425 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: for the Packers. Yeah, I felt genuine pathos at that 426 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: point that Mark was tweeting about a guy who was 427 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: cut by the Packers, picked up by the Browns, and 428 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: the Browns didn't know that he already hit a torn 429 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: a c L you know that I'm just wandering the 430 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: dark for answers at that point, I felt awkward, to 431 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: be honest, like, I saw that and I almost I 432 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: couldn't say anything. It was kind of like the moment 433 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: in the video that Dan Handis was nice enough to 434 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: put up on YouTube, which is just amazing, Like, I 435 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: am so happy I didn't go to New York this 436 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: year just so Mark could be there and enjoy the 437 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: Johnny Man's I'll pick but it on YouTube, folks, It's 438 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: it's sublime. It was, and you're just looking at that, 439 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: And I immediately said when I saw it, it's like 440 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: it looked like Mark was watching his daughter, Not that 441 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: he has a daughter, but if he did walk down 442 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: the aisle at her wedding or something. It was beautiful. 443 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: So I could watch it anytime I get seasonal depression 444 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: in Chicago. Like market, the video is simply iconic. Well, 445 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: you know, then listen. One thing. Kevin Patter of all 446 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: people knows that when you root for a team that's 447 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: been in the gutter for decades on end, that there's 448 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: a laundry list of negative experiences. And this is a 449 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: bad one, and it's it's high up there because of 450 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: like the the Mountain Topics positive side that it came 451 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: off of. But Brown's fans will live. I mean they've 452 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: been through one thing after another. That's that's life. Dan, 453 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: you should tell the listeners what to search for on 454 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: YouTube for this video. Yes, I can do that. Uh 455 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: if you do a simple web search, Google will do 456 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: If you do a simple web search, title it the 457 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: Sizzler reacts to j F F two Browns, it will 458 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: bring it up and you can check it out. I 459 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: would think that most of our listeners are many listeners 460 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: I've seen it, but it is it's it's it's musty TV. 461 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: And in the greatest sense and news to uh Nate 462 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: burl the I think the saddest moment of the whole 463 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: thing was after this, Gordon, when we found out Nate Burlison, oh, 464 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: by the way, happened to break his arm again again, 465 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: same one he broke stop delivering. You know, uh, let's 466 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: go through one last couple of picks from the last 467 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: day and then we'll get into our winners and losers quickly. 468 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: Are quarterbacks that were taken on Day three. I'm gonna 469 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: throw out four of them, and you guys can just 470 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: pick one that strikes your fancy. A. J. McCarron winds 471 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: up in Cincinnati. Aaron Murray winds up in Kansas City, 472 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: backing up Alex it Those are both fifth round picks. 473 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: Tom Savage, Gil Brand's boy falls all the way to 474 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: the end of the fourth round. He goes to Houston, 475 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: and then the Titans duke take a quarterback, but they 476 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: wait till the sixth round for Zach Mettenberger. How do 477 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: we want to frame this? Maybe which one of these 478 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: four do you think is a legitimate threat at some point, 479 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: maybe not right away, but at some point to start 480 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: some games for these teams? Can you say none of them? Yeah, 481 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: none of them is totally acceptable. Well, I'm still not 482 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: convinced that Tom Savage is a real person. I'm gonna 483 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: leave him out, and I don't think I think that 484 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: it's the thing I pick is that all three of 485 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: them are all four of them will be on a 486 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: different team four years from now, probably, but mccaren um 487 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: only because the Bengals seem obsessed with completely mid level, 488 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: mezzanine level quarterback play that he fits that bill perfectly. 489 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: And I could see that them making a big splash 490 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: move by replacing Andy Dalton with a G mccaren get excited. 491 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: That was a This was a very tough day for 492 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: a J. McCarron, the news breaking, and then Ian just 493 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: went down a laundry list of issues that front office 494 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: officials had in their pre draft meetings. One was his 495 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: the unknown factor of if he could handle adversity, which 496 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: is Another was if his teammates like him. Another one 497 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: was would can he lead his teammates? Another one was 498 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: that he didn't participate in the Senior Bowl in his hometown. 499 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: Another one was that he took part in a reality 500 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: show with his fiance. Did him a lot of a 501 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: lot of things that the team was kind of rubbed 502 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: the wrong The teams are rubbed the wrong way about 503 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: It does not sound and it also ties back into 504 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: my theory from a couple of weeks back. He's that thug, 505 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: I tell you, did anyone call him Eddie? Haskell. That's 506 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: my favorite derogatory turn from Scouts. It's a it's a 507 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: reference to leave it to beaver. Eddie Haskell was a 508 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: kid who was always you couldn't trust him, you couldn't 509 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: take him at face value. Was always and to put 510 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: something over on somebody West. I completely know who you're 511 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: talking about. You watch that show and rerun format in 512 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: our youth when we were pretending to stay home. So 513 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: I just think it's it's an awesome reference that nobody 514 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: possibly gets in. Scouts are still using it to describe players. 515 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: I know that reference. I remember watching that show on 516 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: NICKI Knight as a boy, and Eddie Haskell was a 517 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: so you know, you connect the dotment it and you 518 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: can see what the big problem is for uh, this 519 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: young gentleman. One last thing on mccaren. I think this 520 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: is probably the best possible landing spot for him. Is 521 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: a great landing spote for anyone he's any Dalton's Bengals 522 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: future is kind of up in the air. Uh A J. 523 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: Green is a true number one receiver. They have two 524 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: good running backs right now, they have good secondary receivers, 525 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: two good tight ends, a good offensive line. They have 526 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: Brown's legend Jason Campbell in the way though on the 527 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: depth day Captain chick down. There's a rule in the 528 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: NFL that Jason Campbell can never be with a team 529 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: for more than three hundred and sixty one days. Though 530 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: he'll just wait that he will be working at Walgreens. 531 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 1: By next day, April, he will be hohoot and Campbell 532 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: a Walgreen's checkout art along at the job. It's just 533 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: he can't keep one. He will be working alongside McCarron's agent, 534 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: the guy who told him to not play at the 535 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. How did that work out for you? Don't 536 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 1: didn't want to hurt your draft stock by playing at 537 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. And then he goes to the fifth round. Yeah, 538 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: this should be a lesson to prospects. Unless you are 539 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney and you're once in a generation, were once 540 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: in a decade type talent, you know you should probably 541 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: get yourself out there and trust your abilities. I feel 542 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: like this happens every year. But why, you know, why 543 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't mccarroen have taken part in the Senior Bowl when 544 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,239 Speaker 1: he was aware. But that's the other thing about him 545 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: is that he he thought he heard some people telling 546 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: him some chatter that he was going to go between 547 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: sixteen and thirty five. He ended up going a hundred 548 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: and sixty four, So I know this. This seems to 549 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: be a lot of disconnect with this guy. Yeah, don't 550 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: win too much either. I guess that's what people should 551 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: have learned, right. And he also did he blew the 552 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: Titans off for doing a workout for them at one point, 553 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: which just seems totally you know where I know Eddie 554 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: Haskell from a lot a rep in the eight Mile movie. 555 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: Sounds about right. That's their generational gap that we trickled down. 556 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Tay Diggs followed me on Twitter today to 557 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: me too, Why did I get one that about? He 558 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: must be a loyal podcast listener. I don't know. It 559 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: just seems really random that this fantastically handsome African American 560 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: actor would suddenly follow me on Twitter. I'm very excited 561 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: about it. Is he one of those weird celebs that 562 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: just follow seventy thousand people for some weird reason. I 563 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: have a feeling that that might be what actually happened. 564 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: But hey, Dick, I think he's got like a twenty 565 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: two year old assistant that's into football. This guy has 566 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: never even seen this on Twitter accounts. One last thing 567 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: on on the Texans and Tom Savings, Well, this guy 568 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: is a project in like a nineties uh nerdy chick 569 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: has to be reworked over kind of way. So and 570 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: not until the hour into the film will this guy 571 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: get better looking for the Texans, which means, let your 572 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: case keenum flag flow. Oh my gosh, that you know, 573 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: like I wasn't planning to do this. Let's just start 574 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: the winners and losers now off of that, because I'm 575 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: going to give the Houston Texans a big fat loser 576 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: for just inspiring that sentence. And the fact that Ryan 577 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick as a starting quarterback for the whole season is 578 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: a thing that may be happening. They looked at what 579 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: the Jaguars did last year with Henny and Gabber in 580 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: that coaching staff's first year, and they said, we can 581 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: be more depressing than that. I mean, how this is 582 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: not an exciting group, Houston, even though you get Fanny, 583 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: you get the loser. Let's go around little winners and losers. 584 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: Why don't we start negative. Let's start with Mark Sessler. 585 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: Get negative, all right? And I think It's tough for 586 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: me to come out and say this team is completely failed. 587 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: But I don't like the way that the Buffalo Bills, 588 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: with a shaky scenario, gave up next year's number one. 589 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: I like the idea of going out and getting the 590 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins, but I think they got fleeced in that trade, 591 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of pressure on that organization to 592 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: make the playoffs next season. I can't analyze what they 593 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: did from the fourth round on them, and I'm not 594 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: sure who a number of those guys are, to be honest, 595 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: but rust Cockrell from Duke oh, yes, well he is out, 596 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: it's implied. I don't like that. I don't like the 597 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: way they started that off. There's a lot of heat 598 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: on that team to suddenly win a very tough division 599 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: when you've got the Patriots in there. If you kind 600 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: of break down what the trade was all about, and 601 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: then the trade to get Stevie Johnson, I mean the 602 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: the upgrade from Sammy Watkins um from Stevie Johnson should 603 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: be significant and it should help them for years and years. 604 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: But man, they gave up a lot to get that upgrade. 605 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: I mean that, and it's a type of upgrade that 606 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: it needs to make an impact in the next year 607 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: or two, or this coaching staff in GM, they won't 608 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: enjoy those years of Sammy watch and some other staff will. 609 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: Let's let's go to another losing team. How about Patra, 610 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: Let's get a loser. Um. I don't know if I 611 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: like the term losers. Every added players. Losers not as 612 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: good of a draft. That's fair. If you're doing winners 613 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: and losers from draft weekend, you would have way more 614 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: winners than losers, because it's just kind of silly to 615 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: kill teams. One thing I one team I didn't think 616 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: that that addressed all their needs was the Chargers. Uh, 617 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: they didn't get a wide receiver till the seventh round. 618 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: Is slot, slim prospect that's not going to get off 619 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: a press coverage. So I think that that was a 620 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: big hole for them going in and a deep draft 621 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: with the wide receiver group, and they didn't address that 622 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: until very late. And I still think they're Keenan Allen 623 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: and who um they got a short cornerback when they're 624 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: going against taller receivers with the Denver Broncos. When you 625 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: look at their division, I think all the other teams 626 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: got her and they didn't or two of the two 627 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: of the teams definitely got better. And the Broncos and 628 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: the Raiders. You can are you about the Chiefs all 629 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: you want. And then their second round pick outside linebacker, 630 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: he's I think he's a year or two away from 631 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: being an impact player. So I don't think they got 632 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: much impact in this draft. In true charges fashion, They're 633 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: they're kind of the team that gets noticed the least. 634 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: They're they're up there in terms of the NFL, and 635 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: they probably took the draft class that got noticed the least, 636 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: and no one knows Jason Verrett and Jeremiah Tatcho And yeah, 637 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: just not saying they're bad picks, they're just kind of 638 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: flew below the radar. Dan, give me a loser. I 639 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: think I think you have to know where I'm going 640 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: with on this one. Cowboys. And it's not just because 641 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: the coffee, multiple sandwiches. It's because, you know, Jarra, Jerra 642 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: lost his nerve. He had Johnny Football lined up at 643 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: number one at the fix sixteen. It was acknowledged that 644 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: that Manziella's on top of the draft board at that point, 645 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: and yet he listen, he wimped out. In my mind, 646 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: and he went with a tackle and Zack Martin, that's okay, 647 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: that that's nice. That helped fills the need. But I 648 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: think this was a Jerry getting gunshine on the worst 649 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: possible uh stage. And then he's even giving interviews after 650 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: the fact and calling Johnny Manziel, Elvis and all this stuff. 651 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: It's like, even, I mean, Tony Robo, I guess he 652 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: should feel better about this because obviously they didn't draft 653 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: a quarterback. But at the same time, Jerry Jones is 654 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: basically telling you this guy is my hero and I 655 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: want to be with him, but I can't do it. 656 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: I just I need to stay with my current wife. 657 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: So a little down about that situation. And then you 658 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 1: go down the draft. You know, this was a team 659 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: we talked about it leading up to the draft with 660 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: a lot of holes. Um, all right, So they filled 661 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: the hole in the offensive line. Then they trade their 662 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: third round pick to move up thirteen spots. I think 663 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 1: it was in the second round they get to Marcus Lawrence, 664 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: the guy that you know can get to the quarterback 665 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: and maybe becomes the new star to Marcus. And then 666 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: in the fourth round they picked Anthony Hitchens. I don't 667 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: know much about him, but um, Dennis Daniel Jeremiah Guy 668 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: I trust says that this was a stretch that they 669 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: could have gotten him further down the draft. So I 670 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: just thought it was kind of an underwhelming, uh draft. 671 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: Not not gutsy, I just I wasn't into it. One 672 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: counter to that, though, Jerry Jones, a man who has 673 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: always had money and likes making money. What kind of 674 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 1: dough becauld he had made had he brought Manziel to Dallas, 675 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: I mean suddenly that whole thing explodes. He had the 676 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: fortitude to say, I don't need that cash for me. 677 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: It wasn't okay, we got cowboy are right behind me 678 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: here for for me. It wasn't that he'd passed on 679 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: Johnny Football. It was that he didn't go defense in 680 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: the first round, which was clearly their weakest area, and 681 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: there was there was a lot of good secondary players 682 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: that went off the board after that, and their secondary 683 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: was terrible last year. I'm torn because it was a 684 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: very Unjerry move and supposedly reportedly they changed the structure 685 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: in terms of who's running the draft room that that 686 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones took a back seat, and maybe that really 687 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: helped make this decision, and even when Johnny Manzel was 688 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: on the clock. Albert B. Beer reports they discussed taking 689 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: the pick. So you you were that close, Dan, because 690 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: he was number one on the board, we shouldn't have 691 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: mocked you. There was a shot there, and he basically 692 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: made the rational decision, I think because you have so 693 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: much guaranteed money in Tony Romo, even though it's not 694 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: exciting and it's not very Jerry Jones like right, And 695 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: and for the record, I didn't I never thought it 696 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: was necessarily the greatest move for the Cowboys to make, 697 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: but I thought that what would have gotten it done 698 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: was just the temptation would have been too great. But 699 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, if what save him is them changing the 700 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,479 Speaker 1: leadership a little bit in that room, I'm a little 701 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: dubious of that. I feel like Jerry, if anything, at 702 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: age one is going to really button down and and 703 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: be more involved than ever. But if that would save 704 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: them from making this move, well, Steven ends up being 705 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: thing they're happy about her they live to regret. I'm 706 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: hearing that that man, that gentleman that polishes his glasses 707 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: during Sunday and Monday night games, is now in charge 708 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: of the draftick process. His son in law. By the way, 709 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: as we're taping this, I get a couple of direct 710 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: messages that says you got to keep it off the record. 711 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: And this is rare that this happens. And we just 712 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: talked about this about my pick for the losing team 713 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: for the weekend, that the Houston Texans, that that Andre 714 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: Johnson is not happy about what happened this weekend. And 715 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: you know you shouldn't be too excited, too worried that, right, 716 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: you're too worried that your star player is upset. But 717 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: you know you're making Andre Johnson happy that a quarterback. 718 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: Someone told you to keep this off the record. No, 719 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: they didn't say keep They didn't say keep that off 720 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: the record. How about Johnson and reuniting with Kyle Shanahan 721 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: in Cleveland? Actually, Andrew Johnson sitting next to me right now, 722 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: so I will now hand him the phone. Well, he said, 723 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: don't attribute direct lead to the person. It wasn't uh 724 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: anything I couldn't say. How about West, Let's get a 725 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: pick for a loser or two if you feel like it, 726 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: all right, I like to take a bigger picture view 727 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: of this. UM, I don't think you can really separate 728 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: the draft from what else is going on in the 729 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: off season, so kind of looking like for playoff teams, 730 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: how has your off season compared to other playoff teams 731 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,439 Speaker 1: and non playoff teams? Is your franchise any better within 732 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: the division? The Chiefs are much worse in the division, 733 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: and they're much worse compared to other playoff teams. They 734 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: lose six thousand snaps in free agency. The first round 735 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: pick is basically insurance for Tom Baie. They don't have 736 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: a second round pick. Their third round pick, Philip Gaines 737 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: will allow them to trade Brandon Flowers, so they don't 738 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,439 Speaker 1: really gain much there. May I call them a developmental guy. 739 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,479 Speaker 1: Their fourth round pick dand Anthony Thomas called by Rhoda 740 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: World's Evans Silva a guy who basically will not have 741 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: an NFL career. We'll see, and a fifth round quarter back. 742 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: And if you listen to Phil Emory, the Bears general 743 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: manager last week, any quarterback drafted after the fourth round 744 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: isn't gonna make it. Phil Emory then drafted a quarterback 745 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: after the fourth round. Just yeah, I'm just saying the 746 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: Chiefs are a much worse team right now, and they 747 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: don't have benefit of the easy schedule that they had 748 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: last year too. They they're not going to be a 749 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: playoff team this year. I think that's a little similar 750 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: to the Bengals, just because I feel like the a 751 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 1: f C North had a great weekend and overall has 752 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: had a great offseason, and the Bengals have been treading 753 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: water or backing up. So it is about what teams 754 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: are doing in your division. I agree with you on 755 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: the Chiefs, and I would throw the Titans in there too. 756 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 1: They entered the draft, they entered the off season with 757 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: Chris Johnson is their most identifiable player and basically the 758 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,959 Speaker 1: face of the franchise. They are now a franchise without 759 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: a face. They drafted a third tackle in the first round. 760 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: They already had two starting tackles, and then Bishop Shanky, 761 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: who who is fine, but he's not like an earth 762 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 1: shattering talent at running back. This isn't Adrian Peterson we're talking. 763 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: We're talking about the Titans are are a boring team 764 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: now and they were before. It's more frustrating for a 765 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 1: fan base. Then Hey, we just used our first round 766 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: pick on a tackle and oh, by the way, we're 767 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 1: now looking to trade the current starting tackle, So you've 768 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: essentially not added any talent to the team. Have that 769 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: sounds that sounds like a tough sell to me. I 770 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,760 Speaker 1: don't know why I've got to I've got a feeling 771 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: about Sanky though. If you want he's fun, I feel 772 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: like he could be. He could be your face of 773 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: the franchise. I feel like it's also medically unsafe to 774 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: not have a face. I mean that you're saying, forget it, 775 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: it's over. Uh, let's be positive here, Let's go to 776 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: some winners. But what draft did we like? What stuck 777 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: out to us? Why don't we start with you? Mark? 778 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: I liked? Uh, Yeah, I don't know. Ever, you know, 779 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: every year it feels for me like Ozzie Newsom is 780 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: patient and they're they're never drafting high, and so they're 781 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: very good about allowing they're bored to be they're guiding 782 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: force in the right players seemed to fall to him. 783 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: I thought getting C. J. Moseley at seventeen great thing 784 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: for them. They loved having him land there. That's the 785 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: quality pick, a lot of value. Then in second round 786 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: you get Timmy journ Again, it's this is just this 787 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: is the Ravens every season, and it's like their defense 788 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: which a couple of years ago was talked about. Is 789 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: you know in decline, they're getting younger, they're adding parts. 790 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: They had a free safety later on Terrence Brooks, I 791 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: trust the Ravens and I and not listen. I'ven't. I 792 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: haven't sat down and watched four hours of Terence Brooks 793 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: in the secondary. But Ozzie Knewsom has and this guy 794 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: continues to hit home runs. Greg gear the undisputed champion 795 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,840 Speaker 1: of body language, but Cessiler just put on a show. 796 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: During that last monologue draft, he was leaned over his chair, 797 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: looking at his laptop, speaking like a president addressing the 798 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: nation after you know, as some major news is. So 799 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: you're telling me that I'm in charge of millions of 800 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: people and their safety and livelihood. Sure we could go 801 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: down that road. I like my trust you. Mark. I 802 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: would too. I think if I could elect any one 803 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,959 Speaker 1: of us president of the United States, I would trust Mark. 804 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: Check would be it would be unanimous, prohibitive. Well, he 805 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: would also eliminate electricity and meat. So if there would 806 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 1: be there would be some sweeping changes that would affect 807 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: each of your lives. Zach, are you even eligible for 808 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: this after living in England or I am. I I am. 809 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: In fact, I'm just exciting. I could be president, couldn't 810 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: I Zach would be another's true I can't do it yet, 811 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: that would be another strong option. I feel like he's smart. 812 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: While I can still do this, I could just I 813 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: might as well jump on. Hey, Zack, you and I 814 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,879 Speaker 1: were the only two guys in the group that can't 815 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: run for presidents. Were so young? Like that? Like that 816 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm being ignored about Patra Patrick have fun trying to 817 00:42:51,920 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: get car insurance. Patrick looks like he's actually so Uh. Patrick, 818 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: let's get a loser, I mean a winner from you. 819 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: I like what the forty Niners did, just doubling down 820 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,879 Speaker 1: on being on their tough style. Uh. In the last 821 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: two years they lost gold, Goldson, and Whittner and their 822 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: there their safeties. Last year they get read. This year 823 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: they get a hard hitter in the first round, Jimmy Ward. 824 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: I like Carlos Hyde. Sooner or later Frank Gore will 825 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: get overtaken even though he beats off all comers. He's immortal. 826 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. I like carl Hyde's game. He 827 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: could have gone a lot earlier. If if every NFL 828 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,800 Speaker 1: team just didn't decide that the running back a position 829 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: was devalued um. I like Marcus Martin. They had a 830 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,319 Speaker 1: need at center. He was Mayock's first number one center, 831 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,240 Speaker 1: so I like what they did there. And Chris Borland 832 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: was one of my favorite players to watch last year, 833 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: just at the Wisconsin inside linebacker, just always around the ball. 834 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: That is a Jim Harbaugh guy if there ever was one. 835 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 1: Not early athletic. There was some questions about his shoulder, 836 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: but if you watch any Wisconsin game, he was at 837 00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: every play that was near the line. He was in 838 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: Alden to play. It was ridiculous. So I really like 839 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 1: what they did. And then adding Bruce Ellington gives some speed. 840 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: And then we talked about team building all the time 841 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: and have been so good at it. They just started 842 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: drafting guys for next year. They got two guys that 843 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: are gonna start off the season on publist. So I 844 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,879 Speaker 1: I really think what they did in the NFC West 845 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: was great. Patrick going deep there. I like that they 846 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: also led the draft in trading. I don't know what 847 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,359 Speaker 1: that but they traded down like fifty times. They're they're 848 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: going to use them in Seattle. I think they're trying 849 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 1: to battle to see what happened to that San Francisco 850 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 1: pass rusher. Uh, the guy that like had never played 851 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: football and he was like either from Germany or Central 852 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: one last year from England. Yeah, I don't know. I 853 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: don't know if there was last he was on he 854 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: was on the practice squad last year. Yeah, get him going. 855 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: I mean, how does gold Standard dropped that name? He's British. 856 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: Gold Standard is on fire right now. By the way, 857 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: there's no height is not on every place him we 858 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: went through. We were just naming off the running backs 859 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: that that Frank Gore, the Inconvenient Truth has slayed, Glenn Coffee, 860 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:15,880 Speaker 1: Michael James Kendall, Hunter guys show up, Anthony Dixon, guys 861 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: show up to San Francisco, all excited for their NFL career. 862 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: That's gonna be great. I'll learn under Frank or and 863 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: he basically destroys none of them as good as Carlos 864 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: Side was my takeaway? Gold Standard for yourmas Clayton May 865 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: I suggest, asked Jeeves, and this is the man you 866 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: want to be president. I'm more of a bing guy, Uh, Mark. 867 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 1: I had to enter doss into these computers before I 868 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: could get on. It's awesome. That's before your time, Dan, uh, Dan, 869 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: let's get a winner four from you. You know, I 870 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: know Patrick's not gonna like this, but I like with 871 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 1: the Bears. I like that the Chicago Bears didn't a 872 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: team that needs defense, so they just went straight forward 873 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: and they drafted four defenders in their first five picks. 874 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: They got some hot Molly's got some hot mollies up 875 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: in this mix. Kyle Fuller as a cornerback, who uh 876 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 1: uh you know when you're playing in that division with 877 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and uh, of course Teddy Bridgewater tearing it 878 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,760 Speaker 1: up and Matthew Stafford, you need people to cover. Fuller 879 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 1: is gonna step in and have big role. Ego Ferguson, 880 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 1: how about that great name? I think they should wait 881 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: for his younger brother. How are you not going for 882 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: the Jets? I don't think they hadn't necessarily Let's stay 883 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,799 Speaker 1: in the point, hang on Ego Ferguson and then Will 884 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: Sutton to defensive tackles stopped and run. I like it. 885 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: As for the Jets, I thought they had a solid draft. 886 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: It wasn't spectacular. You're making it sound like all your 887 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: previous Jets analysis was sober and rational and fair and ballad. Well, 888 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,280 Speaker 1: if you go back and listen to it, it usually 889 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: is to be honest. I like to pride myself and 890 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: not being a pie in the sky Jets fan, and 891 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: I take offense to what you're saying. I like the 892 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: Jets draft. I mean I if you yeah, if you 893 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: want to talk about the Jets, I I did like it. 894 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,279 Speaker 1: I did like the tight end. I thought that was 895 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: that was a nice pick up. And then they you know, 896 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,799 Speaker 1: they went and finally addressed the wide receiver position on Saturday. 897 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what we're going to get out of 898 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,839 Speaker 1: those guys, but I did notice a trend. Right this 899 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: is obviously a rex Trait Prior is known as a 900 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 1: physical safety that punishes a guy in the box. Uh. 901 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,760 Speaker 1: And you know you have a huge tight end sky 902 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: tomorrow is six five to six. That's that's beastly. And 903 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: then Jalen Saunders, who they drafted today. Mayock said during 904 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 1: the NFL Network telecast, despite his size he's five nine, 905 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: that he's the toughest wide receiver in football. I don't 906 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: even know what that means, but it sounds like the 907 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: Jets we're going for physicality in this draft. You're burying 908 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 1: the lead. Bad news for Comby. Jeff Cumberland could be 909 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,919 Speaker 1: in trouble here. You know what, I had a couple 910 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: of Twitter users that are aware of my affection for Comby. 911 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,439 Speaker 1: I think Comby is gonna be just fine. He's gonna 912 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: find his role, He's gonna find his niche and uh, 913 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 1: come seasons ens he will have six touchdowns and six 914 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 1: twelve yards and be like the sage, older veteran teaching 915 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,360 Speaker 1: the young buck. So you're saying he's gonna lead the 916 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 1: team and receiving West at a zinger. You didn't even 917 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 1: hear it, Dan, That's a shame. I'm sure it was 918 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,720 Speaker 1: very positive about the get wes. Uh, let's have some winners. 919 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: We've talked about these two teams leading up to the 920 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: off season, the Steelers and Falcons both kind of on 921 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: the precipice as teams did like to fancy themselves as 922 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 1: contenders but needed great off seasons. The Falcon's got so 923 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,719 Speaker 1: much more physical, so much more tougher, adding guys in 924 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 1: free agency on both sides of the ball on the lines, 925 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,760 Speaker 1: and then the first two picks this year on the lines, 926 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 1: big tough guys. But the Steelers. I really love how 927 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: they were a team that Warren Sapp has said it 928 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: for two and a half years now old and slow 929 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: gotta go. They turned that around. Got the fastest linebacker 930 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: on the draft, the fastest player in the draft, and 931 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 1: dree Archer Uh, their second round pick, step onto it. 932 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,279 Speaker 1: The Steelers believe he would have been a top ten 933 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,920 Speaker 1: pick if not for a hernia that he played through 934 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,839 Speaker 1: this past year. Fourth round, they get that big red 935 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 1: zone receiver they wanted, Martavis Bryant, who six four has 936 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: a Randy Moss frame deep threat. Uh has the most 937 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 1: yards per catch since Herman Moore in college, and Clemson 938 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,320 Speaker 1: guys stay faster than Sammy Watkins. I like it. I 939 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,480 Speaker 1: don't need to be convinced to get back on the 940 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger should lead this team to the playoffs bandwagon. 941 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: I agree with Pittsburgh Atlanta until they ripped the roof 942 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,759 Speaker 1: off that dome. I don't care up them getting more 943 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,879 Speaker 1: physical and more strong. They play in the most, by far, 944 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:11,919 Speaker 1: the most tedious indoor environment. Have you have you missed 945 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 1: the Rams games? For the Rams Stadium looks like a 946 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: grade school hallway. That's very fair, and they've built a 947 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 1: roster on offense to suggest as much. But Atlanta right 948 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: now has me because Atlanta gets put in primetime all 949 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,440 Speaker 1: the time. Just sit down for three hours. Have you 950 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 1: taken a sleeping pill? No, just come watch this affair. 951 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,120 Speaker 1: They're building a new stadium though. That's, you know, to 952 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: their credit. In Mark's eyes, every time we did winners 953 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: and losers, then the Falcons would just be a permanent loser. 954 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 1: What was their record last year? The Steelers one of 955 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 1: your winners there? They did draft literally the fastest player 956 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,760 Speaker 1: in the draft and the biggest player in the draft, 957 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty two pounds six seven defensive tackle 958 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,400 Speaker 1: Daniel mccullars. How do you like to how do you 959 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,440 Speaker 1: like to get into mix with him? They got a 960 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 1: lot bigger and a lot more athletic, which they desperately needed. Uh. 961 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 1: My favorite team I think this weekend was the Tampa 962 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,160 Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. I mean they give us strength, and that 963 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 1: strength is defense, and they just decided we're not gonna 964 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: take any defense. We're just gonna aggressively fix this offense 965 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,600 Speaker 1: as much as we possibly could. Mike Evans Austin Seferian 966 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: Jenkins were two of my favorite guys just because they're 967 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,359 Speaker 1: the physical guys who can catch the ball the point 968 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,799 Speaker 1: of attack. People compared Safarian Jenkins to Gronk. Uh. They 969 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 1: take a good third down back type in Charles Sims, 970 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,560 Speaker 1: and then they just keep going offense. They matched up 971 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,880 Speaker 1: a little bit what the Bears did in terms of 972 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,840 Speaker 1: going for guys that seem like they'd be good in 973 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: the red zone. Now you got Jenkins, Evans and Safarian Jenkins. Uh, sorry, 974 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,920 Speaker 1: Vincent Jackson, Evans and Safarian Jenkins, that's gonna be a 975 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: ridiculous team in the red zone. They were the worst 976 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,360 Speaker 1: team in the red zone a year ago. It's flat 977 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,839 Speaker 1: out identity theft. Well, that's good right where they said 978 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 1: with josh Ba Cown, look what he did with the Bears. 979 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,839 Speaker 1: So they brought in Mike Evins, who was compared to 980 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: Alshon Jeffrey a little bit, Safari and Jenkins compared to 981 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,320 Speaker 1: Mortellis Bennett, Charles Sims compared to Matt Forte. It's perfect. 982 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,760 Speaker 1: They got the same offense. It's genius, smart, brilliant, it's smart. 983 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you? I mean, I think it's time to 984 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,920 Speaker 1: go downstairs. Update the publish date and republished that Bucks 985 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 1: to the playoffs, I wrote about a year. I am 986 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,960 Speaker 1: glad you gave that segue, because I've been writing that 987 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,719 Speaker 1: and fielding that all week. I don't know if they're 988 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,760 Speaker 1: going to become a trendy team. I hope not, because 989 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,000 Speaker 1: they are. I'm picking them to the playoffs. I like 990 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 1: the but I think they're already a trendy team. They are. 991 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,719 Speaker 1: I think it's too late. Can't They can't be a 992 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,240 Speaker 1: team if they're trendy. The day that Loves Smith got hired, 993 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,040 Speaker 1: they were a trendy pick the day the one big 994 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,359 Speaker 1: problem there, and by the way, they never traded. Uh, 995 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,160 Speaker 1: Mike Glennon, you have a little time left. You have 996 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,160 Speaker 1: technically until Sunday, right, I have until the end of 997 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,319 Speaker 1: the day tomorrow. Yeah, but most likely you're gonna lose 998 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,120 Speaker 1: some sandwich, Isn't that I'm not holding my breath. Jason 999 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,680 Speaker 1: Light said today that they had offers and that they 1000 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,399 Speaker 1: want to keep Glenning good. Chris. You know, we'll we'll 1001 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 1: get into the go get my lunch standings in just 1002 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: a second, But for now, I'm just happy that Chris 1003 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: isn't awash and ten Sandwiches, which was on the table 1004 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,000 Speaker 1: at one point this weekend the other team. We gotta 1005 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,719 Speaker 1: at least throw out the Browns as a winner. I 1006 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,359 Speaker 1: mean what Ray Farmer did in the first round. If 1007 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 1: you had said that ahead of time, that they could 1008 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,680 Speaker 1: have gotten justin Gilbert Manzel and a first round pick. 1009 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,360 Speaker 1: I don't care what happened the rest of the draft. 1010 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,360 Speaker 1: It's not their fault. Gordon got suspended. They're a winner. 1011 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,920 Speaker 1: Anyone else have any winners the City of New York 1012 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,680 Speaker 1: on a Saturday night. Oh, it's time to go singing? 1013 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,719 Speaker 1: I I agree this, So that'll just about wrap it up. 1014 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,600 Speaker 1: But before before we go, we will update you on 1015 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 1: our standings for our sandwiches. And we're just gonna assume 1016 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,000 Speaker 1: that Westling loses the Mike Glennon bet. Is that fair 1017 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,520 Speaker 1: to say? Chris? I am not waving the white flag, 1018 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 1: but I am also not holding my breath all right, 1019 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 1: But let's say he does lose that by the end 1020 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,720 Speaker 1: of Sunday. Hey, I don't like losing. Losing for losers, 1021 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,239 Speaker 1: that's right, you get the sandwiches. If he somehow is 1022 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,640 Speaker 1: traded by Sunday, we acknowledge that. But assuming he's not 1023 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:25,719 Speaker 1: end up with Chris Wesselen getting four high octane sandwiches 1024 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,880 Speaker 1: delivered to him. We'll get Mark Sessler tied for first 1025 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:35,360 Speaker 1: in the standings, getting another for high octane sandwiches, getting 1026 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,880 Speaker 1: him for lunches he doesn't want, donating mind to charity. Yeah, 1027 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,080 Speaker 1: that's just that's just sad. That's why you're president material. 1028 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,359 Speaker 1: That's exactly what the president would do. Zach, we went 1029 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 1: over the other day. You were already done. But let 1030 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,960 Speaker 1: me say this. I would have paid two sandwiches to 1031 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,560 Speaker 1: get to play in the big boy pool. So thanks 1032 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: for having, Thanks for having I feel great to be involved. 1033 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,399 Speaker 1: You guys should see Zack's face right now. He either 1034 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,200 Speaker 1: looks like a politician or a homicidal maniac. I don't 1035 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 1: know what. Soccer jersey from southern Germany just glowing right now. 1036 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:16,319 Speaker 1: I also owe to sandwiches after this weekend, had a 1037 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:21,160 Speaker 1: slight recovery to avoid disaster today and then Dan, you 1038 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,080 Speaker 1: owe these, You owe the group four sandwiches. So that's 1039 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,120 Speaker 1: that's a big price for you to pay. Well, you 1040 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: know what you gotta go. You go bigger, go home, 1041 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,759 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm proud of my effort. I went for 1042 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,719 Speaker 1: something big. I went all in on Johnny Manziel and 1043 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,400 Speaker 1: it turned out it was a smart uh, it was 1044 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,239 Speaker 1: a smart gamble. It just didn't go my way. It 1045 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,560 Speaker 1: was like one of those close but no cigar situations. 1046 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,920 Speaker 1: So I look forward to reimbursing the gentleman with a 1047 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,080 Speaker 1: different high octane lunch and which one of us can say, 1048 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,720 Speaker 1: oh when we speak on the podcast, you know, twelve 1049 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,200 Speaker 1: days later, suddenly Mike Mayock drops some mocked rap following 1050 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,840 Speaker 1: that person's as to a yeah, I think there was 1051 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,320 Speaker 1: a connection there. Honestly. Now you guys are cute sticking 1052 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,240 Speaker 1: up for each other in the hotel room in there 1053 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,520 Speaker 1: in New York. All right, I think that does all. 1054 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,440 Speaker 1: We want to thank the uh at go get my 1055 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,439 Speaker 1: Lunch Twitter for the picture that tweeted out of us 1056 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,840 Speaker 1: as duck tails summarizing the gunny sum to get my 1057 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,560 Speaker 1: lunch standings. And I also I want to also thank Tristan, 1058 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,640 Speaker 1: who also has been tracking. It's good to have multiple 1059 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,480 Speaker 1: official scores, just kind of a check and balance, so 1060 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: the Twitter handles great. Tristan as always our our best listener, 1061 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: our number one listener. He uh, he did a great 1062 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,879 Speaker 1: job with it too, So you know, they I think 1063 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,560 Speaker 1: we'll have to bring the game back right before the 1064 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: start of the season. Start saving up some money. Yeah, 1065 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,680 Speaker 1: we might have to before that. I don't know what 1066 00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,880 Speaker 1: we could really, what can we nothing's happening. Who had 1067 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,759 Speaker 1: the gentleman who had the most interceptions at the t 1068 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:59,880 Speaker 1: s This weekend, we're gonna be looking. We will be 1069 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,439 Speaker 1: on Tuesday this week. Our schedules a little different, uh 1070 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,600 Speaker 1: in this post draft era, at least for this week. 1071 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,640 Speaker 1: We will be back with a new show on Tuesday. 1072 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,560 Speaker 1: But we wanted to get you uh the Post Draft 1073 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,200 Speaker 1: podcast right away, so we thank Mark and Dan uh 1074 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 1: for staying in their hotel room late. Guys, go go 1075 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,439 Speaker 1: out and get into some trouble in New York and 1076 00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,880 Speaker 1: we'll see you on the other side. Alright, gentlemen for 1077 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,200 Speaker 1: Dan Handis, Mark Seessler, Chris Wesley, and Kevin patri and 1078 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,080 Speaker 1: the gold Standard. I'm Greg Rosenthal. We will see you 1079 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:46,240 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Yeah, Yeah, Draft Day, Johnny manzil five years later, 1080 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,720 Speaker 1: How I'm out of mass still Draft Day? Hey wiggas 1081 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:58,600 Speaker 1: winning Oh Man, you know I had to, you know, 1082 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,680 Speaker 1: I had to, George One. Welcome to another edition of 1083 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,400 Speaker 1: the Around the Leak Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm filled 1084 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:14,080 Speaker 1: by a nation. How's your drop cold standard