Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you. Why oh and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding dong
Speaker 1: lost culture? Just calling um. I want to share a
Speaker 1: phrase that my sister has generated as as as he
Speaker 1: normally does. UM, share my phrase, spread my teachings, my
Speaker 1: dear darling, dear darling, deer. It is one of those
Speaker 1: phrases that you don't know what it is about it,
Speaker 1: but it really really hits you. Speaking for myself, I hear,
Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna say. We were talking on
Speaker 1: them on one of our little group chats, our GCS,
Speaker 1: and then we're talking about how this Sean Conley guy,
Speaker 1: this doctor is a fool um, and how all these
Speaker 1: all these doctors who are somehow thirty two years old
Speaker 1: who are attending to the president are like thirty two
Speaker 1: year old men. And sorry from erasing any women or
Speaker 1: or or non binding your people who are on that staff.
Speaker 1: Thank you for apologizing. Thank you. I just I don't
Speaker 1: care to really pay attention to who is treating him,
Speaker 1: but I brought up how silly they are. And then
Speaker 1: my friend Matt Rodgers said, clown parade, clown brigade, clown
Speaker 1: parade clown brigade, when I look at everyone stomping out
Speaker 1: of that Walter Read hospital with their little prompts in hand,
Speaker 1: doing the work of Dr Doom himself. I say, clown parade,
Speaker 1: clown brigade. I don't trust anyone that comes out of
Speaker 1: there and says a goddamn thing. And how come they're
Speaker 1: trying to like convince us all of a sudden that
Speaker 1: this is the way that this disease works. It's not
Speaker 1: the way that this virus works where it's just like
Speaker 1: he's better and going home. That is not how it
Speaker 1: fucking works. And I really hope that no one is
Speaker 1: successfully gas lit by this, because, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: the whole thing is fucking crazy. I'm almost hesitant to
Speaker 1: even comment on it because it could change any shame
Speaker 1: jing it's changing very quickly. I don't, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't care to comment on either. I just want to comment.
Speaker 1: I just want to provide context for clown parade, clown brigade,
Speaker 1: for clown parade, clown brigade. Which is so funny because
Speaker 1: you texted the words clown parade, clown brigade, and I laughed,
Speaker 1: and then you sent a voice message and the reading
Speaker 1: of it is so excellent. Here, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Wait can I can I actually pull up the original audio?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you love it, love it so much.
Speaker 1: It's so it's it had me in tears. Okay, here,
Speaker 1: here we go, Here we go. Ready, clown parade, clown brigade.
Speaker 1: Well that is how it said. For anyone at home
Speaker 1: that wants to sort of refer to a bunch of
Speaker 1: people as a clown clown parade, clown brigade, that's how
Speaker 1: you do it. We should just say, let's get a
Speaker 1: little paradeae. It's it's it's so funny because you're saying
Speaker 1: it's redundant. You're saying this clown parade basically means clown brigade,
Speaker 1: but you so vaddic about. I feel the brigade is
Speaker 1: sort of a more intentional version of a parade, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like a brigade is intentional, a
Speaker 1: parade is. It takes a lot of organizing. Not to
Speaker 1: not anyone and call any parade organizers out there unintentional.
Speaker 1: I'd hate to call the girls unintentional. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is, let's just give a little context. So while
Speaker 1: we've been gone y'all, the president has gotten COVID, which
Speaker 1: is so insane. It would be the easiest thing in
Speaker 1: the world for the president and his handlers to protect
Speaker 1: him and the people around him from COVID nineteen. But
Speaker 1: as we know, they're the most careless people in the world.
Speaker 1: We thought just about all of America apparently about themselves
Speaker 1: as well, and now a whole fleet of them have
Speaker 1: the coronavirus. So that's what's happening. And he went to
Speaker 1: the hospital reports where he was not doing well. Now
Speaker 1: the doctors have come out and said, actually, he is
Speaker 1: doing well. He wasn't doing well. We lied to you
Speaker 1: about that, but now we're saying he is doing well.
Speaker 1: And believe us. Now, I guess because and let's have
Speaker 1: him stand outside the White House. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: just literally minutes ago. Stand outside the White House, John
Speaker 1: just looking gasping for he can barely breathe. He took
Speaker 1: his mask off, like what a fucking idiot. Yeah, at
Speaker 1: time of recording, he has stood outside of the White
Speaker 1: House after getting back from Alter Read and he's like
Speaker 1: waving to his adoring public and he's really looks like
Speaker 1: he can't breathe, and um, Matt Matt and I. I
Speaker 1: would say that you and I keep it pretty like
Speaker 1: untainted discourse on the pot. We don't really bring him
Speaker 1: up explicitly that much because we're not like you know,
Speaker 1: we're not like that Cheetoh gaze. And also you know
Speaker 1: how you know where we stand. So it's of course,
Speaker 1: but like this is truly like beyond the piale. It's anyway.
Speaker 1: But I look, we're we're we're off, we're off the
Speaker 1: rails already. But I just wanted to again provide contacts
Speaker 1: to bring light to clown parade glound breach. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't just want to say something. The reason why such
Speaker 1: a clown parade clown bargade is because what it does
Speaker 1: is it takes focus away from what's important this week. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it takes place away. And right now I'm holding
Speaker 1: up the meaning of Mariah Carry, which is the highly
Speaker 1: anticipated book by the one true Queen Maria, and it's
Speaker 1: taken a lot of focus away from my girl's big week.
Speaker 1: And I have to say that she seems happier than ever.
Speaker 1: She seems very satisfied with the way the book has
Speaker 1: come out and the way it's being received, and she
Speaker 1: should I am well into the audio book right now,
Speaker 1: which I'm reading, which I'm listening to rather while i'm
Speaker 1: reading it, which gives an amazing sort of full immersion.
Speaker 1: You're studying abroad in Mariah Lands. So let me tell you.
Speaker 1: I've I'm spreading, spending the fall studying Maria, and we
Speaker 1: can say that next week we are going to have
Speaker 1: a culture catch up, and this culture catch up is
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit different. We are having the
Speaker 1: meaning of Mariah Carey book. So everyone out there who
Speaker 1: has not yet picked up the book, or who has
Speaker 1: picked up the book but is sort of leisurely reading it,
Speaker 1: understand next week we're gonna be doing a close read
Speaker 1: a discussion on the book, and so tune in for that.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling stream and stream the rarities, which is great,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so fantastic and also what I'm having
Speaker 1: so much fun doing. And we'll talk about this morn
Speaker 1: next week. But it's it's truly I mean, her life
Speaker 1: is harrowing, but her year early years are truly truly crazy.
Speaker 1: The marriage to Tommy Motola is something no one could
Speaker 1: ever understand and so like, so please read the book
Speaker 1: and then right now I'm on the Glitter chapters, which
Speaker 1: are something else, and I'm also as I'm reading the book,
Speaker 1: I'm sort of revisiting the music, and God, I have
Speaker 1: to say, carry is the culture that made me say
Speaker 1: culture was from me? I mean so yes, because it
Speaker 1: was the first time I ever remember, really remember connecting
Speaker 1: with someone in the music. And I honestly to hear
Speaker 1: her tell the specific stories behind a lot of these
Speaker 1: songs and she sings in the audio book. She thinks
Speaker 1: these things throughout the audio book, and she is and
Speaker 1: excellent readings of the audio books. She's so funny. She
Speaker 1: it's so in her voice, and you know, it's just
Speaker 1: I can't say enough. So if you haven't gotten the book,
Speaker 1: get the damn book and join us next week for
Speaker 1: the Culture catch up. That is the meaning of Mariah
Speaker 1: Carey Book Club, which I'm so excited for, so excited
Speaker 1: for you know who, you know who else I'm excited for.
Speaker 1: Our guests are guests who's by the way, sort of
Speaker 1: giving the week to do right now because I'll tell
Speaker 1: you exactly what she did when she came on the
Speaker 1: zoom and wait and she did it again on the
Speaker 1: visual she I think you can sort of hear the
Speaker 1: wind blowing. It's because our guest is sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: taking a cue from Mariah and having the wind blow
Speaker 1: her locks around, and it is truly stunning. I think
Speaker 1: the most beautiful person that's appeared in a zoom with
Speaker 1: with us, and we've had some stunners. She takes this
Speaker 1: the perlative fortunately, and we celebrate that most likely to
Speaker 1: show up beat for the zoom, beat for the zoom.
Speaker 1: And you know she's she's giving people the visual and
Speaker 1: she's she's she's on Twitch talking movies with all your
Speaker 1: favorite people. Um so check check out her Twitch streams
Speaker 1: on the regular PEP talks with our guests, with our guests. God,
Speaker 1: she's just a legend. She's just huge. She's a legend, musician,
Speaker 1: New York City nightlife icon, drag legend and runner up
Speaker 1: on RuPaul's Drag Race Season nine, incredible, incredible contestant on
Speaker 1: that as as well as being just an incredible performer, musician, icon,
Speaker 1: you know, truly a trailblazer here, first openly trans woman
Speaker 1: to ever originate a lead role on Broadway, which was
Speaker 1: head over Heels, and you know, we're actually catching her
Speaker 1: in quite the world one week because the new single
Speaker 1: is out. The new single is called Best Sex, and
Speaker 1: we're into the new single. And of course, you know,
Speaker 1: usually when you release a single, there's usually a larger
Speaker 1: body of work coming out, and that is no different
Speaker 1: in this situation. We have a Girl like Me Letters
Speaker 1: to My Lover's coming out this month October six, two
Speaker 1: thousand twenty. Mama, I have to ask so many questions
Speaker 1: about this because not only is Best Sex on it,
Speaker 1: but she's got a cover of will You Still Love
Speaker 1: Me Tomorrow? I need to talk about this because I
Speaker 1: read this in her Quarantine diaries when she was shooting
Speaker 1: the visual. It's a visual album. Hell yeah, so Girl
Speaker 1: Like Me it's gonna be It's it's visual. So she
Speaker 1: she talks a little bit about will You Still Love
Speaker 1: Me Tomorrow? I mean, what an iconic song. We need
Speaker 1: to talk to her about this. Anything else to add? Man?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a long time coming. This is
Speaker 1: a long time coming. And I think that we are honored,
Speaker 1: privileged and so gid day, not just giddy. We are
Speaker 1: good day, good day to have our fucking guest welcome
Speaker 1: her into your ears. The magnificent Happer. That's my energy
Speaker 1: and Honestly, I all I wanted to do with scream
Speaker 1: how are you? I am fabulous, Thank you, Matt and bowing.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here. You're right, it's been
Speaker 1: a long time coming, I say, like more than a year.
Speaker 1: We have been trying to make this manag happen. And
Speaker 1: the manage is managing after all. After all, we have
Speaker 1: to congratulate miss Nikki on the newborn. Oh yes, baby,
Speaker 1: there's a little petty in the world. And she has
Speaker 1: a son. Finally is my son's But she has a
Speaker 1: real one, actually has she actually has. This bitch is
Speaker 1: literally her son. It's actually a real culture number nineteen.
Speaker 1: This is literally literally Do you identify as a barbed peppermint? No? Wait,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know what that means. Oh, barb is
Speaker 1: like what Nicky calls her fans. Definitely not. But I'm now,
Speaker 1: is there anyone's um nickname fan? I'm a friend. Now.
Speaker 1: Do I know all the words to her music? Yes,
Speaker 1: but I don't read what she says to call her
Speaker 1: fans a barb and so but you you you enjoy
Speaker 1: her music, you're fans, So I definitely enjoy her music. Okay,
Speaker 1: And this is actually a really important distinction that Pepperman
Speaker 1: is giving us, because being a fan of somebody does
Speaker 1: not necessarily mean you. I mean, there is a fine
Speaker 1: line between fanning and standing and being part of the culture.
Speaker 1: I really enjoy her music, I enjoy her. What I
Speaker 1: enjoy equally or maybe more, is her contribution to hip
Speaker 1: hop and rap and where it traveled to UH in
Speaker 1: the early two thousand's and two. Now, I see her
Speaker 1: as a very valuable sort of brick in the hip
Speaker 1: hop wall. I wouldn't say that I would call myself
Speaker 1: a bar It's really it's really difficult for me because
Speaker 1: I actually identify as both a barb and a lamb um.
Speaker 1: So it's it's hard. Now it's hard to be a
Speaker 1: hardcore fan of Nikki and Mariah because we unfortunately because
Speaker 1: American Idol, there's some tension. There's some tension like they're
Speaker 1: gonna let American Idol girl. Obviously I obviously not. I
Speaker 1: still identify as being in both, yes, but but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it's hard when your girls won't even speak
Speaker 1: of each other in interviews. It's I also love j
Speaker 1: Lo and Mariah. Whenever she's asked about j Los famously
Speaker 1: says for words, I don't know her. Well, the thing is,
Speaker 1: the up on my Face video was like the one
Speaker 1: moment that we will always have of Maria, and that's
Speaker 1: sort of like having fun together on camera, you know,
Speaker 1: like that can't there's there's a certain degree of that
Speaker 1: that can be faked. But they genuine I was. I
Speaker 1: watched it the other day. I was like, I didn't
Speaker 1: seen this video in so long, and they're both having
Speaker 1: a blast and like there was a moment there it's
Speaker 1: like wicked, like where they were really genuinely like friends,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, but anyway, but you know that they
Speaker 1: took they took Nicki Minajes verse of upout my Face
Speaker 1: when you stream when you stream that album, that that
Speaker 1: Mariah album. Yeah it's not on Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel.
Speaker 1: Well the song is, but the nick nick is gone.
Speaker 1: I think that Mariah felt burned by that because she
Speaker 1: actually was like, here's the thing about Maria, And you
Speaker 1: find this out in the book. Do you love Maria?
Speaker 1: Obviously you love Maria. Yeah, so you find out in
Speaker 1: the book that she is number one with having her
Speaker 1: finger on the pulse, like she was like that girl
Speaker 1: in the early nineties that was singing these big ballads,
Speaker 1: but knew deep in her soul. She was like, hip
Speaker 1: hop is going to become mainstream. I'm telling you, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you. And she was like the first she was
Speaker 1: trying to tell Tommy Motola that and he just didn't
Speaker 1: understand hip hop at all, and like told her she
Speaker 1: was stupid and like, it was obviously low key pretty
Speaker 1: racist because he's like older white man in the music
Speaker 1: and the hip hop feature on on the R and
Speaker 1: B song on Like she she she for sure revolutionized that,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's it's the Nicki Mariah of
Speaker 1: it all. Is interesting because Mariah brought Nicky onto that
Speaker 1: track that was pretty early on and the Nikki of
Speaker 1: it all, and she was like, and she even said
Speaker 1: in an interview later during American Idol, She's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's actually funny because it's funny I have all this
Speaker 1: beef with her, or it's sad that I have all
Speaker 1: this speef with her because I actually know she's really gifted.
Speaker 1: That's why I had her on my song in the
Speaker 1: first place. That's why all this sucks. She probably thought
Speaker 1: she was in the clear because at that moment in time,
Speaker 1: Nikki was beefing with Kim. Yeah, and you know, yeah
Speaker 1: she thought first, surely we can't have more than one
Speaker 1: beef going in one Yeah, I mean the amount of
Speaker 1: energy it takes watch her spin these plates. Okay, sporting artist,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about different reporting artist. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about peper Man. You love the single best
Speaker 1: Sex and the lyric video is very sexy, sensual and
Speaker 1: if you like really do a close reading of the lyrics,
Speaker 1: it's like very vulnerable and very real, authentic. Thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like my life, you know, um I had. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: long story short, I was in a really intense relationship.
Speaker 1: Uh that uh he was popping, let me tell you
Speaker 1: become because we met in the at least for me,
Speaker 1: in the most unlikely of places to meet a partner
Speaker 1: that we were going to be with long term, that
Speaker 1: I was gonna be a long term We met online,
Speaker 1: you know, in a hook up app, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, let me. I was living in San Francisco
Speaker 1: and I was all by my lonesome. I was preparing
Speaker 1: for head over heels on Broadway, and we, uh we
Speaker 1: did this out of town run there and I didn't
Speaker 1: know anybody. And so I was like, let me get
Speaker 1: on this damn app see who I can get come
Speaker 1: over and show me a little company tonight and here,
Speaker 1: and he was giving me all kinds of excuse is
Speaker 1: he was running late. He was late because he was
Speaker 1: getting a raccoon from him for his neighbor out of
Speaker 1: the yard or some crazy name. Yeah, but that's how
Speaker 1: I got to say, a man, you can get a
Speaker 1: racoon the neighbor. Come on, I don't believe I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm from the New obviously, So I'm like, honey, there's
Speaker 1: no rap. Where's raccoon? A rat? I believe it a raccoon? Nobody,
Speaker 1: there's no He shot from the moon there with the raccoon. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so anyway, he came over and it was like
Speaker 1: the best hook up ever and then we were we
Speaker 1: got into relationship and everything, and then he broke my heart. Uh,
Speaker 1: but it started with that hook up. And best sex
Speaker 1: is actually not about him. It's about all the other
Speaker 1: funk boys, yeah, find their way into your boudoir. But
Speaker 1: his best sex about his best sex inspired by this
Speaker 1: one lover who was giving you the best sex but
Speaker 1: also kind of jerking you around emotionally. Just those two
Speaker 1: ideas rive intersecting. It's representing all the fun boys of
Speaker 1: the world. Honestly, it's so crazy. Yeah, I'm listening to
Speaker 1: the song and I'm like, yeah, the ship that I've
Speaker 1: let people get away with because they were they knew
Speaker 1: exactly what to do too, and with my body, it's
Speaker 1: really shocking. And the fact of the matter is I
Speaker 1: will do it again in fact, like you knows, yeah,
Speaker 1: right exactly during the quarantine. You gotta do what you
Speaker 1: gotta do. And also it's like, you know, all of
Speaker 1: us are missing that that goodness. Okay, this is when
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, Peppermint. It feels like it
Speaker 1: feels like we all take at least maybe this is
Speaker 1: just me saying that I might have taken for green
Speaker 1: in the past. How Writing like a sensual song about
Speaker 1: like that's very vulnerable in this way about sex is
Speaker 1: very difficult. It's like you kind of have like it
Speaker 1: has to be sourced from some thing true, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: and like you have to like sort of cross all
Speaker 1: these like path through all these filters in your mind
Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna like prepended
Speaker 1: paper and write about like me at my most literal
Speaker 1: naked self. Boring self or not boring. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I said boring, vulnerable self. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: said boring, Oh my god, because every book together bones bones,
Speaker 1: obviously unfortunately sadly projecting, I hope not. I know. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I said boring. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I said boring. I meant to say vulnerable. They they
Speaker 1: might sound the same, but I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1: I was after after listening to Best Sex, I was like,
Speaker 1: it's so hard to write on on like a like
Speaker 1: a writer early yeah, you know, I mean I wanted
Speaker 1: to do. What I tried to do is do something
Speaker 1: that would be obviously sexy and that's not that hard
Speaker 1: to like achieve that bar but they And also I
Speaker 1: wanted it to be a little funny. It's funny. I
Speaker 1: wanted there to be a little bit of like chuckle
Speaker 1: in it, right, but I really wanted it to be
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to be like, oh, you're so hot, daddy,
Speaker 1: and that's it, like I'm done with that, Like let's
Speaker 1: talk about all your flaws. And the song is really
Speaker 1: a read, you know what I mean? And that's what
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be UM because all this stuff
Speaker 1: is true, like all this stuff that that we've all
Speaker 1: been through UM. And I think it's definitely in terms
Speaker 1: of how it fits into the rest of the album. Yes,
Speaker 1: I met my ex who the most of this album
Speaker 1: is about on online, on a hook up app on
Speaker 1: a hook up. It was a jump off. But even
Speaker 1: beyond that, it's these are all of the songs and
Speaker 1: this are things that a lot of other trans women
Speaker 1: through and we don't have the opportunity. Really, I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't find anything else in pop culture that really
Speaker 1: UM in terms of music, that really shows and talks
Speaker 1: about a trans woman's experience, and so I wanted this
Speaker 1: is all this stuff that me and my girlfriends cackle
Speaker 1: about all the time. You know, I remember the line
Speaker 1: of the song you don't want to be seen with me?
Speaker 1: That must be something that gets that unfortunately, is dealt
Speaker 1: with a lot. Yeah. Oh yeah, I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: unfortunately it's probably the rule, not the exception, at least
Speaker 1: in my experience and a lot of the girls I've
Speaker 1: talked to, And I also wanted to talk about, I mean,
Speaker 1: the most difficult line in the whole song to do
Speaker 1: and we thought. Me and my co writer Adam Joseph
Speaker 1: were like, should we do it? Can we do this?
Speaker 1: We can't do this? No was, um, you don't know
Speaker 1: your status, and then you asked me if I'm clean,
Speaker 1: and then we decided to obviously put it in there
Speaker 1: because it's it's real and it happens and a lot
Speaker 1: of the guys. I mean, I don't can't speak for
Speaker 1: everybody queer, but I think everybody in the l g B,
Speaker 1: t q A plus probably or at least many people
Speaker 1: have probably had some interaction with people who have been
Speaker 1: quote closeted or not out. But I think that toxic
Speaker 1: behavior is really prevalent for the girls, for the trans girls, um,
Speaker 1: because of the way our culture is, and so you know,
Speaker 1: these guys will come around for the goodies, but they
Speaker 1: are not involved in like all the other stuff that
Speaker 1: happens in queer life, and that's then then it's dangerous
Speaker 1: for us. Yeah. I also think like there that line.
Speaker 1: To me, I was really happy that you put that
Speaker 1: in there too, and that was really the one that
Speaker 1: made me like I was like, oh wow, this this
Speaker 1: is like it's it's like a sexy, fun and funny song,
Speaker 1: but like it's exploring something really real, because I also
Speaker 1: think amongst like just gay men, there's like an assumption
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, I'm fine, I'm clean, I'm doing
Speaker 1: what I'm supposed to do. But when they're interacting sexually
Speaker 1: with a trans person, there's that little microaggression where it's like,
Speaker 1: we'll make sure that they're clean and make sure that
Speaker 1: this is going on, which is also like it's just semantic,
Speaker 1: well but just even interesting. Clean is just like right, yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: but that but that interaction is so interesting in that
Speaker 1: line in that lyric where it's like I it's like
Speaker 1: the the complete otis and the responsibilities completely on me
Speaker 1: for both of us. I have to be the one
Speaker 1: who's getting my health taken care of and getting tested,
Speaker 1: and as long as you know my status then you
Speaker 1: don't have to worry. That's generally what it is. And
Speaker 1: you know, there have been lots of guys who've asked me.
Speaker 1: You know that question they asked me, and you know,
Speaker 1: which is good. I'm happy to talk about it. But
Speaker 1: then they won't even know the answer if I turned
Speaker 1: around and asked them, well, when did you get tested
Speaker 1: or have you been tested, like or whatever, and yeah,
Speaker 1: the terms of the question are flawed and funked up
Speaker 1: on on on their end, right, And it's like iline
Speaker 1: support clean. I don't. I don't use the word are
Speaker 1: you clean when talking about S T I S and
Speaker 1: getting But that's the question that they asked. Yes, you're
Speaker 1: you're quoting them, it's to quote. But it's like it
Speaker 1: also implies something to listed about having sex with trans
Speaker 1: women where it's dirty. Yeah, right, but as if they're
Speaker 1: not engaging in that, it's yeah exactly. It's like there's
Speaker 1: so many funked up layers there and anyway, it's just
Speaker 1: such a clean, quick, efficient comment and I love that lyric. Yes,
Speaker 1: the lyrics are great. And I also another one was
Speaker 1: like when you were like I never know when you're
Speaker 1: going to roll through, I was like, see, that would
Speaker 1: kriss me off. You know. In fact, I recently had
Speaker 1: an interact. Yeah, I recently had an interaction on Grinder
Speaker 1: that ended with Okay, I'll come over. And this is
Speaker 1: after a lot of discussion about like COVID, having COVID
Speaker 1: tested whatever, done done. This is like a couple of
Speaker 1: couple of day things and so then at the end
Speaker 1: of it. He's like, I'll be over in twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: He says, twenty minutes. It's it's it's a little bit
Speaker 1: after one in the morning. And I'm like, alright, cool
Speaker 1: and so yeah, and mind you, mind you he's six
Speaker 1: six feet away, so I happened to look out. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, hot, guy I'm interested in is six
Speaker 1: hundred feet away? Says twenty minutes. It's one o'clock. It's
Speaker 1: this is what it is, bing bang boom, Like this
Speaker 1: actually was, I'll be honest with you. It was the
Speaker 1: night that we found out that Trump was sick. I
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta celebrate here. Are you already prepare?
Speaker 1: I don't know your situation, but do you did you
Speaker 1: need to prepare? He was taking the twenty minutes to prepare,
Speaker 1: So yeah, you got so um but which I'm happy
Speaker 1: to provide for us, Like take your time. I even
Speaker 1: said take your time. So forty minutes later, forty minutes later,
Speaker 1: he says, okay, I'm gonna leave now, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, And then so another forty five minutes goes
Speaker 1: by and he goes He goes is your apartment hard
Speaker 1: to get into? Now? Mind you it's well after two,
Speaker 1: and I thought this is I thought we would be
Speaker 1: done by then, to be honest with you, because not
Speaker 1: for nothing, but I was ready over an hour ago. Eventually,
Speaker 1: I just said, you know what you said twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: it's been an hour and fifteen. I'm done, And I
Speaker 1: bought the person no, because I don't know what took
Speaker 1: him so long. You know why he took so long.
Speaker 1: He didn't have man escaped products like the ball Towner
Speaker 1: and the ball our ads. Really gee, really, he's not
Speaker 1: speaking an ad copy um something that might that might
Speaker 1: be sort of telling on myself because I feel like
Speaker 1: I haven't we haven't we been been on the other
Speaker 1: side of of these interactions. Well apparently you have because
Speaker 1: you started this this thought. And I caught myself as
Speaker 1: I was about to ask it, but I was like,
Speaker 1: I might as well ask it in sort of have
Speaker 1: the asterisk theater. It's like, well, maybe I'm maybe I'm
Speaker 1: alone because I feel like I've disengaged emotionally enough times
Speaker 1: with certain people now are like, Okay, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1: I'll be real. I have and see but it's not
Speaker 1: my fault. Okay, let me tell you why it's never
Speaker 1: my fault. I because of the fun boys that I
Speaker 1: talked to. I'll okay, this is, this is, this is,
Speaker 1: this is a lot. Let's go give it. You got
Speaker 1: your hand up. Sometimes you have to align up if
Speaker 1: you if you are the one who takes the time
Speaker 1: to prepare, that's right, which is why you're encounter Matt.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what but if I take the time to
Speaker 1: prepare and I make a decision about who I'm going
Speaker 1: to connect with, I'm going to that person's house and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on down to the cloth. I know
Speaker 1: how long it takes to prepare. Anyway, if I'm gonna prepare,
Speaker 1: I have been flaked on by other folks, Okay, whatever
Speaker 1: the tops, I've been flaked on by them all the time,
Speaker 1: and they're just going from flower to flower to flower,
Speaker 1: and so I have been flaked on. And so sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to be like, well, bit, if I'm going
Speaker 1: to spend all this time getting ready, then then somebody's coming.
Speaker 1: Then I'm getting this together. I've done just because I
Speaker 1: was ready. What you'll what you'll do to yourself just
Speaker 1: because you prepared yet been there? And so then every
Speaker 1: once in a while, the flake will be two hours,
Speaker 1: Like you'd be like, why don't he lost his time?
Speaker 1: And yeah, get the next one, and then the next
Speaker 1: and then the first one, like I'm here, that's happened. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's very good. Actually, Like when when you're like in
Speaker 1: the mid when you're in the midst of interaction, someone
Speaker 1: else is at the door. Yeah, well like telling you online,
Speaker 1: telling you oh I'm here, I'm on the way or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, oh no, and so
Speaker 1: I have disengaged at that in those situations, but that
Speaker 1: person was two hours late. Yeah, whatever, you know. I
Speaker 1: just don't understand what is what is with people on
Speaker 1: Grinder who are like or any app. Let's let's broaden
Speaker 1: it to every app, and let's just say this. I'm
Speaker 1: not coming for the everyder I have, I have friends
Speaker 1: that work there. I'm not coming for the app. I'm
Speaker 1: coming for the behavior and I'm not coming honestly. So
Speaker 1: so this is a sidebar, but I was in New
Speaker 1: York for a little bit recently and I went on
Speaker 1: the app and I think someone thought I was cat
Speaker 1: fishing as as me, but it was me, So I
Speaker 1: got I got I got taken off of there for
Speaker 1: terms of service, and I had my friend Patrick rein state.
Speaker 1: But also it was just weird. So it's weird the people,
Speaker 1: the way people can just report you and like and
Speaker 1: then you're going, and then you're gone, and it was
Speaker 1: like you're you're you can't do it at all. Thank
Speaker 1: God I knew someone there, and you gotta send them.
Speaker 1: You's got to send them a photo with a piece
Speaker 1: of paper that says Matt Rodgers, Yeah this is me?
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that what you can do to get
Speaker 1: your account back? It's happened to It's happened to Bowen,
Speaker 1: It's happened to me him. But what was I gonna say? Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I'm saying it's not just people Grinder, it's everyone.
Speaker 1: But what's with people like texting so sparsely. It's like
Speaker 1: like on the app, it's like people will say one
Speaker 1: thing and then there's like nothing. I just feel like
Speaker 1: no one's talkative on the app. There's no like radical communication.
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden when they're there two hours later,
Speaker 1: it's like, why didn't you tell me you were under way?
Speaker 1: Like when I'm texting someone, I'm going, yeah, I'm leaving
Speaker 1: in the car. That's communication. You're right, Well, that's obviously
Speaker 1: because they're talking to people at once and they can't
Speaker 1: keep there. Yeah, yeah, you're dicking their pants. And I
Speaker 1: think they want to. I think they want to seem
Speaker 1: sexy too. They want to seem like cool and sexy
Speaker 1: or like like they don't want to do too much,
Speaker 1: and so it's like very sparse communications. That really angers
Speaker 1: me because I have been in a situation where I've
Speaker 1: had lined up arranged number one who kind of seemingly flaked,
Speaker 1: then arranged number two who did flake, and then number
Speaker 1: one comes through all late, and then I'm like, now
Speaker 1: I'm just angry, and I'm like, I'm like not into it.
Speaker 1: And I've had myself and encounters before where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I just wish you would leave, like necessarily. But that's
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at you like, and it's not good.
Speaker 1: Why am I doing Because even when you just said
Speaker 1: it just now, I was like, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's that's perfect, And that's the only way you can
Speaker 1: communicate that is I mean, well we should all do
Speaker 1: it from now and just be like I think you
Speaker 1: should go, you should go, You're late, You're I feel disrespected,
Speaker 1: and here I am and then it's like they're like
Speaker 1: then they're the most talkative like hook up, or they're
Speaker 1: like demanding or like there's a kink that comes into
Speaker 1: play that wasn't what we were like arranging or talking
Speaker 1: about or agreeing to. It was not on the table prior,
Speaker 1: no darkling. And the thing too, is like what's so
Speaker 1: funny about this too, is like we feel like we
Speaker 1: can't be like, okay, now leave just like straight up,
Speaker 1: but we've literally invited them over to like eat our ass,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like who Takora is like,
Speaker 1: it's like, come over, let's be filthy, let's have penetrat
Speaker 1: of anal sex. And now afterwards, I'm like a little
Speaker 1: shy about asking me here. Everyone so bashful after the
Speaker 1: fact the community is spun out. I want to I
Speaker 1: want to ask something. It's there's a there's there's a
Speaker 1: there's a there's an icky layer to it. But I
Speaker 1: think the three of us can all contribute something. How much?
Speaker 1: How much? How much? Like how much? Because you're talking
Speaker 1: about kings, how much fame kink is like layered in
Speaker 1: there for you at this point? You know what, it's
Speaker 1: only half okay, First of all, let me tell you this. Um,
Speaker 1: that's it. Okay, there is a thing. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's probably the same as any other kind of starfucker
Speaker 1: kind of fetish, same thing. Um, but there is uh
Speaker 1: something that I learned about a year after being on
Speaker 1: drag Race. Uh. And they're called um race. They're called race,
Speaker 1: which is the name of yeah yeah, but um that's
Speaker 1: what they're called. And so I was like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? And I thought I was completely protected
Speaker 1: because most of the men who are um interested in
Speaker 1: me or girls like me identify as hetero and are
Speaker 1: not necessarily drag Race fans to the point where they
Speaker 1: would be looking for drag Race people you know, um
Speaker 1: and recognize us, you know, like online or on Tender
Speaker 1: or Grinder or whatever. And and so I thought the
Speaker 1: girls would always be talking about Uh he came over.
Speaker 1: He was so hot and then he you know, was
Speaker 1: trying to get an autograph and all of this stuff,
Speaker 1: and like, oh god yeah. And then so I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: thank gosh, the like the guys who are into me
Speaker 1: are are like actually into women all the time. Um.
Speaker 1: And so one day I was I was like in
Speaker 1: the mood, and I was like let me get online,
Speaker 1: and uh, I was near drag con um l a
Speaker 1: near the Convention Center, and so I signed on and
Speaker 1: there was somebody not that far and we were talking
Speaker 1: and YadA, YadA, YadA, and he was it was all
Speaker 1: lining up. I was like, okay, this is gonna be.
Speaker 1: Where was this outside the Grammy's Museum? What where was this?
Speaker 1: It was? It was center, it was by Staples Center exactly.
Speaker 1: It my Staples Center and I was I was staying.
Speaker 1: I don't know where I was staying downtown, so I
Speaker 1: don't know. Kay. So so it's it's getting lined up.
Speaker 1: It's all happening. It's getting lined up. It's all happening.
Speaker 1: Everything's lovely. Pictures are looking good. I I don't remember
Speaker 1: if I sent If I send this really sexy picture,
Speaker 1: I won't send a face picture right like I usually
Speaker 1: send one or the other first. Um, and so I
Speaker 1: don't I think I didn't send my face picture. I
Speaker 1: don't remember what I said. I sent something, but it
Speaker 1: was all coming through and I was like, this is great.
Speaker 1: And then he starts asking questions that are unusual and
Speaker 1: he's like, so how long you in town for? And
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't remember saying I was, as
Speaker 1: I say, over the weekend and he's like, oh, um,
Speaker 1: what are you in town for? And I usually keep
Speaker 1: questions like that in general, and I was like, a convention,
Speaker 1: that's all you need to know? What what? What's that
Speaker 1: have to do with? Then? And then he was like
Speaker 1: were you were you mad? Sasha beat you? Yeah, precisely.
Speaker 1: Then he was like um. Then he was like, well,
Speaker 1: what booth are you at or something? And then he's
Speaker 1: like peppermint pepper and I was like, oh god. And
Speaker 1: so obviously I was like, oh, oh no, I just
Speaker 1: got a stomach cake. I got to go, you know,
Speaker 1: like he I didn't invite him over, and that was
Speaker 1: a very close call because yeah, it's just yeah, so
Speaker 1: it hasn't happened, Thank goodness. Um, most of the guys
Speaker 1: who I've hooked up with or even dated had no
Speaker 1: idea who I am. That's so interesting, that's incredibly interesting.
Speaker 1: I want to ask what difference would it make if
Speaker 1: post coitus the guys like, by the way, huge fan,
Speaker 1: like you know, like does that okay for you? Okay?
Speaker 1: It did happen once with a Frenchman. He lives in Paris.
Speaker 1: I'm filling his tea hardy, I don't give you, but
Speaker 1: I still like him. We're still friends. His name is
Speaker 1: Max and he lives in Paris. That's all okay, great
Speaker 1: and whatever he we did, we we hooked up and
Speaker 1: they were laying down and having our little pillow talk
Speaker 1: and and he was and he knew who I was.
Speaker 1: Don't remember ex factly what he said. I don't remember
Speaker 1: that like damning phrase that. I was like, huh, you
Speaker 1: know um, but he did and he knew who I was,
Speaker 1: And I was like what in that? I was like,
Speaker 1: how did this even happen? You don't seem like I
Speaker 1: was like, are you gay? I don't know, um, and
Speaker 1: not that only gay guys and lots of straight folks
Speaker 1: watch Drag Race, especially especially like honestly like your season
Speaker 1: on I feel like was your season was like the
Speaker 1: one where it became like major yeah and so and
Speaker 1: so that was interesting and and he's the aw I
Speaker 1: can't say the only person, but he's one of the
Speaker 1: only people that I've hooked up with that I'm still
Speaker 1: in contact with that I would hook up with again,
Speaker 1: who also follows me on um social media and we
Speaker 1: communicate on social media and like on Tinder and all
Speaker 1: the you know, and I'm like, okay, and and my
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, my ex boyfriend who I don't know if
Speaker 1: he follows me now because I don't know what he's
Speaker 1: doing to San Francisco, San Francisco. He he didn't know
Speaker 1: who I was. He had heard of Drag Race and
Speaker 1: I told him I was. I was like, you know what.
Speaker 1: The conversation and the sex was so good. It was, honestly,
Speaker 1: up to that point, the best hook up I had
Speaker 1: ever had ever, not just the sets, but the the
Speaker 1: whole like pillow talk, the cuddling. He was like, it
Speaker 1: was just adorable. And I was like, whoa, what is
Speaker 1: going on here? It was clearly the beginning of a relationship,
Speaker 1: all right. And so I was like, let me just
Speaker 1: be honest because usually I'm like, I'm a DJ at
Speaker 1: working bars and I traveled for a living and that's
Speaker 1: all you need to know. Um. And he I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, look I do drag. My name is Peppermint.
Speaker 1: I'm get I'm here rehearsaling for a Broadway show and
Speaker 1: YadA YadA, And he was like what And then he
Speaker 1: looked the next day he left, and then then he
Speaker 1: had looked me up on Wikipedia and was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. But it hadn't phased them, you know, and
Speaker 1: so that was nice. That was like transparency though it was,
Speaker 1: and it's deserving. It's going to be difficult for me
Speaker 1: to have a relationship, I think, without being transparent from
Speaker 1: the beginning. It is difficult because it really does you understand.
Speaker 1: It's like if you like meet somebody who you know
Speaker 1: doesn't know you, and in the first few minutes you
Speaker 1: tell them who exactly where you are and who you are.
Speaker 1: And for me, drag race Um being a drag race
Speaker 1: queen is really unusual type of like notoriety or recognition
Speaker 1: because in the norm, in the pre COVID world, it
Speaker 1: automatically gave them access to my social media, which had
Speaker 1: my calendar, my travel calendar attached, which meant, this is
Speaker 1: where I'll be on this night, this is where I live,
Speaker 1: this is where I am, you know, and and they
Speaker 1: can access us in a way that you can't access Beyonce,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, of course, But that was
Speaker 1: is that is that intense for you? Well, for me,
Speaker 1: it's like the barrier of entry is like pretty high
Speaker 1: for me anywhere I'm just like I don't want to,
Speaker 1: like like I gotta I gotta like pick them pretty
Speaker 1: carefully in the first place. And then it's like and
Speaker 1: then it's just like, um, I find out like generally
Speaker 1: in the meeting whether or not, whether or not it's like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: I know you, and I'm like, okay, great. But then
Speaker 1: like at that point, I'm already like I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's bad, make too late, right, But it's at
Speaker 1: that point it's like, well, I've already already like past
Speaker 1: the mustard test or drill or whatever for me. Now
Speaker 1: it's like it's fine, Um, but I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know sometimes honestly, and this is the fucked up
Speaker 1: thing that I'll admit. Sometimes it's like sometimes it makes
Speaker 1: me feel good. Sometimes I'm like, cool, you know my deal.
Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you anything. I don't have
Speaker 1: to like think of the wording of oh yeah I
Speaker 1: work in um yeah, I work in I work in TV,
Speaker 1: like you know, which even that has like a weird
Speaker 1: like ring to it. So I don't know. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: is just kind of convenient that person will just like
Speaker 1: know it all. I feel like if someone were to
Speaker 1: say they knew who I was it would be a
Speaker 1: rap because for me, it's like, then what you're gonna
Speaker 1: do is tell people tell, And I feel like what
Speaker 1: what's never happened to me will be hard because usually
Speaker 1: with me, if people know who I am on on
Speaker 1: an app, they usually are just like love the pot
Speaker 1: or someone did ask me to show them my hot
Speaker 1: dog recently, um, which was that's which was one way
Speaker 1: to say it. I hoped the show I hope to
Speaker 1: show on HBO Max called hot Dog coverment. Um, so
Speaker 1: so that's why they said that. Um, but I was
Speaker 1: like l O L. But I feel like it's it's
Speaker 1: weirdly a thing that's like, oh, I don't know now
Speaker 1: if you're actually doing this because you want to come
Speaker 1: over me, and now this could be a thing where
Speaker 1: it's like you want to go tell x y Z
Speaker 1: that you fucked someone who was whose podcast you know
Speaker 1: or some The telltale sign is if they asked for
Speaker 1: a selfie right after you had sexed, honey, it has happened.
Speaker 1: It happened to me once and we didn't even have
Speaker 1: sex because moving backwards, because he was not attracted to women,
Speaker 1: but he wanted to get into my hotel room and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I thought we were going to hook up,
Speaker 1: and it's just like awkwards, you know. Um it was
Speaker 1: in like South America, like columb not Columbia. We did
Speaker 1: not go to Colombia. We went to Peru. It's probably
Speaker 1: Peru or anyway somewhere in South America. And in South America,
Speaker 1: like they are like they will do anything for that
Speaker 1: rutpose for probably I don't know what, but to get
Speaker 1: into Rupo's rags and so like, yeah, it was. It
Speaker 1: was bizarre. We didn't hook up, and he wanted a
Speaker 1: selfie and I was like, okay, but just go. But
Speaker 1: this is weird. And now you're in my hotel room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that is so crazy. What a waste of your time?
Speaker 1: Oh what a waste of several kings. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just want to say that that. Yeah, you're right, Matt,
Speaker 1: Like I what gives me chill, what gives me nightmares
Speaker 1: is thinking about like the Brune conversation or you know,
Speaker 1: like the Well, then if it gives you nightmares, then
Speaker 1: you need to change your current thinking about it because
Speaker 1: it kind of gets your rocks off. So you might
Speaker 1: need to be more careful. Bouten Yang. Don't hook up
Speaker 1: with these holes that just say who you are, because
Speaker 1: guess what, there's a lot of them. Well anyway, So
Speaker 1: so um A Girl like Me Letters to My Lovers
Speaker 1: is the theme of the piece that you're speaking to
Speaker 1: people that you've experienced in the past, and this is
Speaker 1: it is it like, it's not like every song is
Speaker 1: for a certain one. It's just kind of like these
Speaker 1: are for the for the boys. This is for the boys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all for the girls. Remember that Bett Miller movie
Speaker 1: for the Voice. It's also for the girls, the trans
Speaker 1: girls who um, who experienced such tom foolery. But it's
Speaker 1: not just tom foolery. It's one part reality and there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of fantasy involved and just kind of
Speaker 1: making it not only speaking about the realities of what
Speaker 1: I've gone through, basically taking my diary and setting it
Speaker 1: to music, but then also kind of built musically presenting
Speaker 1: songs that that I would have wanted to hear if
Speaker 1: as a young trans girl growing up. Um. And so
Speaker 1: that's what the album is and the whole um it's
Speaker 1: a trilogy. The relationship that I was in was in
Speaker 1: lasted a year and we have obviously had our ups
Speaker 1: and downs, and the crash and burned. Um. But the
Speaker 1: one song basically turned into five songs, which is an EP,
Speaker 1: and then we're like, I kept writing and then it
Speaker 1: was suddenly fifteen songs. Well, so it's three EPs with interludes,
Speaker 1: which makes an albums um oh, and we're going to
Speaker 1: release them over the course of a year because the
Speaker 1: relationship last. I love that. That's amazing, that's so thoughtful.
Speaker 1: I really I can't say enough about the song. I
Speaker 1: was listening to it and I was also reading the lyrics,
Speaker 1: so I was also doing a close read and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the emotional honesty of the lyrics
Speaker 1: and also, to be honest with you, sonically the way
Speaker 1: it sounds. And I'm not saying that's just because I
Speaker 1: am in moray Land, but it kind of was giving
Speaker 1: me her you know what I mean. And I do
Speaker 1: mean as a as a major compliment. Registers down well, right,
Speaker 1: but you know, we do what we can tell a register,
Speaker 1: a register nonetheless, a register nonetheless, a register nonetheless, a
Speaker 1: registered nonetheless. But it's lovely and I think it's great
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited for the rest of it. I
Speaker 1: can't I can't wait to hear it on October six.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We are going to take just the quickest
Speaker 1: break and return with Peppermint. And asked Peppermint the damn question,
Speaker 1: and we're back with Peppermint. So Peppermint here on Lost
Speaker 1: culturesis what we do is we ask each and every
Speaker 1: one of our guests the same question, which is what
Speaker 1: was the culture that made you say culture was for you?
Speaker 1: But when you want to break that down, Peppermint, this
Speaker 1: is the culture that you took in in your development culturally,
Speaker 1: whatever that means to you, but it's set you on
Speaker 1: a cultural path. It's something that you saw red Herd
Speaker 1: and then it kind of lit up something in you.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a couple of pieces. Give us all
Speaker 1: the pieces, give us, give us, give us all the pieces.
Speaker 1: The one of the earliest pieces, I would have to
Speaker 1: say that I had full control. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: there was lots of stuff that influenced me as a
Speaker 1: little queer kid. But the one kind of thing that
Speaker 1: I was like, this is for me, and I am
Speaker 1: going with this and it's going to change my life.
Speaker 1: Is um Willy Wonka in the chocolate factory with Gene Hackman.
Speaker 1: I wanted so desperately, Uh, did I say, Jeane Hackman.
Speaker 1: But the thing is like it would have been great.
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman would have been fabulous. He really probably wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: But yes, Gene Walder, we can't. We can't take we
Speaker 1: can't take Willie Walker away from Gene Wilder. So I
Speaker 1: had to we can't, we can't. We can't a little
Speaker 1: a little aggressive Willie walk up WILLI wa, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would have been different, a valid but with Gene Wilder.
Speaker 1: And I desperately wanted to be Violet Beauregard, the girl
Speaker 1: that took into a blueberry and and I spent I
Speaker 1: can't tell you how many times I rehearsed that, and
Speaker 1: when my mom would leave, I would go and dress
Speaker 1: as Violet. And then when when I this is how
Speaker 1: I knew was culturally relevant to me, because then later
Speaker 1: when I had some power to produce something. As a
Speaker 1: young kid, I would try to enlist all the other
Speaker 1: kids and force them to participate in my fantasy of
Speaker 1: Willy Wanta in the chocolate factory, and you're gonna be
Speaker 1: such and such, and you're gonna be you know, Veruca Salton,
Speaker 1: whoever you're gonna be um, and I would stuff my
Speaker 1: clothes with pillows and roll around on the floor like
Speaker 1: a blueberry and I was living my fantasy. That's the
Speaker 1: first one, and then the next one is definitely the
Speaker 1: entire Janet album from Janet Jaccent Album's. Okay, those are
Speaker 1: two excellent, excellent pieces. Okay, let's start with Miss Willie.
Speaker 1: Miss Willie, I think, do you know what I just thought?
Speaker 1: It has that same like fantasy, that that seem like
Speaker 1: element of like pure cinematical magic that is only beat
Speaker 1: out by the Wizard of Oz to me, Like, you're right,
Speaker 1: what You're right, you know, it's it's got the it's
Speaker 1: got it's just like it's the same thing. It's it's
Speaker 1: kind of the I feel like it's an echo of
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz in a way where it's like it's
Speaker 1: just like you're watching as a kid, and it's just
Speaker 1: so beautiful and colorful and fun and like you've never
Speaker 1: seen anything like it up until that point, and like
Speaker 1: that is such a that's that's such an important movie.
Speaker 1: It really is. It's pure imagination for me that that
Speaker 1: song is absolutely I mean I remember and also every singer,
Speaker 1: every like real singer, like find a way to sneak
Speaker 1: it into their set list to like Audrew McDonald doesn't
Speaker 1: beautiful cover of it, Oh you must see. It's in
Speaker 1: a concert of hers, probably from about a decade ago actually,
Speaker 1: and I heard Adam Levine do it one time from
Speaker 1: five and I heard, I believe Josh Grobin does a
Speaker 1: gorgeous version of it. It's really one of the of
Speaker 1: songs that is so it's it's for people like who
Speaker 1: really want that escape. I do think that it's it's
Speaker 1: sort of what attached to a bonus saying to that
Speaker 1: was that's the element that I wanted to bring an escape, Yes,
Speaker 1: keep going sorry, Yes, well, it's that it's that other world.
Speaker 1: And I think it's that that it's that station that
Speaker 1: you want to belong to so badly, and it does
Speaker 1: it does sort of give that message at the end
Speaker 1: of the day of the man behind the curtain is
Speaker 1: not who you think, which I think is a timeless
Speaker 1: narrative and such a such a important story, and I
Speaker 1: think that weirdly enough, like of course people from all
Speaker 1: across the world identified with those narratives, but it's such
Speaker 1: a queer narrative. And you hear RuPaul talk odd nauseum
Speaker 1: about um a wizard of Oz, but it is it's
Speaker 1: almost like we know at a certain point even in
Speaker 1: our development, that there is going to come a time
Speaker 1: where the man behind the curtain is going to become
Speaker 1: like a thing, like the sheen of everything is not
Speaker 1: actual happiness, Like the knowledge is the power, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I think that movie is. I love
Speaker 1: that you brought that up. It's so important. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: really also, I mean and just like on a on
Speaker 1: a more basic level, if I dare, um, it really did. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was really touching to me to see the way
Speaker 1: that Gene Wilder played Willy Wonka was so tender, even
Speaker 1: though he was like bizarre and the characters like wacky
Speaker 1: and kind of sky. It's like our movie part of it, Um,
Speaker 1: that he played Willy Wonka so tender, and Charlie was
Speaker 1: so poor and was so like good and loving, and
Speaker 1: it like when the first time I saw it, I
Speaker 1: was like, this is terrible, Like this Charlie is not
Speaker 1: getting anything and and he's been kids are dying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they start dying, Like what's happening? Um and Charlie And
Speaker 1: then obviously to spoiler alert in the original version, he
Speaker 1: gives the place to Charlie um, and I just thought
Speaker 1: that was just like such a wonderful thing, and you know,
Speaker 1: growing up as a little poor kid, I was like, oh, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean the thing is too Like you mentioned, like
Speaker 1: it's a horror movie. That is so true too, because
Speaker 1: on paper, on paper, it's a it's about a creepy
Speaker 1: man who wants kids to come to his big house.
Speaker 1: He allows them to bring their guardians who sell their
Speaker 1: children out, and they all come and he puts them
Speaker 1: through a series of tests where he feeds them things,
Speaker 1: and uh, they willingly take it, despite not knowing where
Speaker 1: this comes from or drugs them or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: and one by one they all suffer intense maladies that would, ordinarily,
Speaker 1: if this wasn't a novel turned into a film, lead
Speaker 1: to sure death. And you don't really know at the
Speaker 1: end of the movie what happens to the other kids.
Speaker 1: You sort of see that they're just like physically changed
Speaker 1: for what seems to me forever. But it's really kind
Speaker 1: of dark and weird, and like it's dark. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it is, like it's in a way, it's sort of
Speaker 1: like Wizard of Oz on acid. Yeah, especially when they
Speaker 1: go through that tunnel and he's like playing that flute
Speaker 1: and you know, the they're like, you know and that
Speaker 1: it's like a boat that goes through the tunnel and
Speaker 1: the original version and they're like a trip in out
Speaker 1: and they're like screaming. It's like a thereman, like a
Speaker 1: thereman is or something. Yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious why
Speaker 1: Violet for you? Though? What was it about Violet beau
Speaker 1: regard she was? She seemed like a little New Yorker
Speaker 1: and I don't know what, not that I was in
Speaker 1: love with the city of New York at that age,
Speaker 1: but I was in love with that kind of attitude.
Speaker 1: It's very spunky and and um and I love blueberries
Speaker 1: and I just thought it was so cool that she
Speaker 1: would like turn into a big old blueberry. I just
Speaker 1: thought it was the fiercest thing ever. And she was
Speaker 1: a redhead and the actress was a redhead in the show. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: who are who are you? Boone? Who do you identify with?
Speaker 1: I am probably I guess in the Mike TV. I
Speaker 1: don't know you are, but not really. I want to
Speaker 1: say I'm a Verruca, but Verruca is like I think
Speaker 1: maybe you're I want today, I want tomorrow. I want
Speaker 1: to now, or you'll scream or I'll scream, and I
Speaker 1: might know. I'm Augustus, Gloube, I'm Augustus. I don't want
Speaker 1: to see I don't want what happens to Augusta's to
Speaker 1: happen to you. Because the boy drowned and because he can't,
Speaker 1: because he can't help but drink the chocolate. I'm like girl,
Speaker 1: the self control. It's the lack of self control for me.
Speaker 1: It's the lack of self control for me. But okay,
Speaker 1: on the subject of horror movies, because I do agree
Speaker 1: that this is a horror movie. Oh, Han says, bone
Speaker 1: is obviously Charlie, No, that's not true. Honestly, Charlie, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. No, I don't accept. I reject Peppermint. I
Speaker 1: feel like you are a connoisseurs of movies, of horror movies.
Speaker 1: So what what are you? What are your top give
Speaker 1: your top three? I was gonna say three horror. That's
Speaker 1: so difficult. Uh, well, I have a I'm a okay,
Speaker 1: so my top three horror movies are. You have to
Speaker 1: know that my genre of choice is zombie or sickness. Um,
Speaker 1: and so my top three horror movies might, but overall
Speaker 1: here's my top three. The The my favorite horror movie
Speaker 1: is Return of the Living Dead from George A. Romero.
Speaker 1: This is the eighties kind of comedy, UM zombie horror
Speaker 1: UM where the kids go into the graveyard and you
Speaker 1: know what happens, Yes, the zombies and the sue these zombies.
Speaker 1: And also a front runner for the title about yes. Uh,
Speaker 1: my next favorite, I'd say just because of the impact,
Speaker 1: the cultural impact, UM and where it came I guess
Speaker 1: for me, and the age was the Conjuring. UM. You know,
Speaker 1: if I watch it back now, I'm kind of okay.
Speaker 1: But the fact that they were able to because what
Speaker 1: I really appreciate now is what horror movies can do, um,
Speaker 1: given the limitations or whatever they have or what you know. UM.
Speaker 1: And so in in in a moment in time where
Speaker 1: we had just come out off of a lot of
Speaker 1: like saul and hostile and like torture porn, which are
Speaker 1: not my favorite, UM, the Conjuring was very reserved and
Speaker 1: so they're what It's not very gory, it's more of
Speaker 1: a suspense, but it is scary. It was scary as hell.
Speaker 1: I saw it in theater. UM. And so the Conjuring
Speaker 1: Number two, uh, my third favorite, and um, I it's
Speaker 1: not because I liked this movie, but it's scared the
Speaker 1: hell out of me so much that I just respected.
Speaker 1: But I will never see it again. I respect it
Speaker 1: probably more than I respect any other horror movie because
Speaker 1: I will watch a horror movie at any time of
Speaker 1: day or night. I will never see this movie again.
Speaker 1: It shook you too greatly. It shook me. It made
Speaker 1: me think things that I never want to even think again.
Speaker 1: It scared me to the core. It is hereditary. I
Speaker 1: knew you were going to say hereditary. I knew because
Speaker 1: I felt that I had the same response for days.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm I've never thought about these images
Speaker 1: in my life, and what would it look like? What
Speaker 1: would it look like from my mom to to do
Speaker 1: like yeah, because because the scene where the next morning
Speaker 1: she wakes up and like sees what's in the car
Speaker 1: that scream she lets it. I was just like, I'm
Speaker 1: literally I've never I've never seen it because I cannot
Speaker 1: bring myself see I mean, I can't do it, but
Speaker 1: I don't see this. You know that that one like
Speaker 1: that and from what everyone says about Midsomar too, Like
Speaker 1: it seems like those on modern like in terms of
Speaker 1: like what modern horror films like are experimenting with, and
Speaker 1: it seems like this guy is experimenting with like I'm
Speaker 1: not interested in. But just even hearing you say that
Speaker 1: Tony Collette's performance, um like I was ready for her
Speaker 1: to be nominated for an Oscar just people the way
Speaker 1: she should have been. She should have been. But like
Speaker 1: it's it's like even you saying that that was a thing,
Speaker 1: I just had full body chills, you know what. I
Speaker 1: was like, not excited about what. You know, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, right, Matt, Yes, I know you
Speaker 1: know what happened. I read. I read synopsis. I I read,
Speaker 1: like detailed synopsis of all these movies, the whole movie.
Speaker 1: The biggest turn I have ever taken in a movie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the movie that I was really excited about coming
Speaker 1: out this year. Culturally, I wasn't going to see it because, um,
Speaker 1: I can't sit through them, I'll have a panic attack.
Speaker 1: But I was excited for it was the remake of
Speaker 1: Candy Man because when I was a young kid, that
Speaker 1: the part of the trailer, part of the trailers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was iconic. That was iconic trailer moment. I literally
Speaker 1: will not say the name of the film again because
Speaker 1: I fear saying it a third time. But when I
Speaker 1: was little, I went over for a sleepover to my
Speaker 1: cousin's house and we were watching the movie Candy Man
Speaker 1: and the Original, and I can't describe to you how
Speaker 1: scarred I was hearing the voice, like that voice was
Speaker 1: so sexy to me. Oh my god, you are built different.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Oh it's not good. Okay, So
Speaker 1: that's what I hear. For me as a kid. It
Speaker 1: was fucking scared, and so it was being it was
Speaker 1: being remade this year. I believe Jordan Pill was producing it,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what happened to that. Well, what
Speaker 1: happened was the coronavirus just pushed it to next year.
Speaker 1: So they didn't want they didn't want, they didn't want
Speaker 1: it to not have its do and so they're watching
Speaker 1: it the next year. But basically it's actually like, really,
Speaker 1: if you really read about it and really watch it,
Speaker 1: like and experience it for more than it just scaring
Speaker 1: the ship about you, It's actually about race relations and
Speaker 1: it's actually like it's it's actually kind of applicable to
Speaker 1: the cultural the cultural conversation right now. And so that's
Speaker 1: why I was excited about it coming out, because it
Speaker 1: seems like it was being like remade in the image
Speaker 1: of this time. Yes, yeah, so I was excited, and
Speaker 1: that's fair and that's where I do and I respect
Speaker 1: that it didn't It didn't land for me as a
Speaker 1: kid or whenever. I don't know, I was obviously a kid. Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it didn't land for me for some reason. So I
Speaker 1: was just like not understanding. I was like, girl, just then,
Speaker 1: just don't say his name. That's true, it is on
Speaker 1: the blot hole. Well, that's like, That's what I love
Speaker 1: about Scream, is it like it plays with the idea
Speaker 1: that people are doing stupid ship like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like so many of these movies like and
Speaker 1: obviously Scream is like a horror comedy classic and consciously
Speaker 1: doing that. But I was like, finally, like when I
Speaker 1: watched it again recently because it is it is a
Speaker 1: horror movie that I'll watch. Um, I was like, that
Speaker 1: is so cool that they decided to really flip this
Speaker 1: genre on its head and even in doing that, created
Speaker 1: a classic store the genre. And now it's getting a fifth,
Speaker 1: So it's like a new did you not know? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we all back, nevs back and he's back, David is back. Yeah, okay, Pet,
Speaker 1: she's grabbing the she's grabbing her for her surroundings. I
Speaker 1: would imagine you're a scream you're a scream fan. I'm
Speaker 1: a screen fan. I've seen every single one of them.
Speaker 1: I think they're fantastic. My favorite and scariest scene and
Speaker 1: scream gosh, was it Screen three with um whatever one
Speaker 1: Parker post he was in, Yes, She's three and three
Speaker 1: where they're in and out of the house. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you probably didn't see it then, um or
Speaker 1: did you see the whole? Did you see screams? I've
Speaker 1: seen because I can deal with screams of them when
Speaker 1: they're getting the script and the right and the scare
Speaker 1: and the killer is writing the script as they're experiencing it,
Speaker 1: and they're reading the script to figure out who's going
Speaker 1: to get killed, and they're going in. They sharp the
Speaker 1: lights and they're in the house, and then they go
Speaker 1: to out the house, and then they go back in
Speaker 1: and then that's so that part is so suspenseful and
Speaker 1: so good. Those are they really are so good. I okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Janet, because Janet Jane, you don't tell
Speaker 1: me nothing. Well, I actually think so. So the Janet
Speaker 1: album correct me if I'm wrong. This was really a
Speaker 1: huge album for her because this was when she really
Speaker 1: started to own her sexuality. No, yes, they're real. Now
Speaker 1: they're real, start of it for a Okay, let's talk
Speaker 1: about this on Control. I mean, first of all, she
Speaker 1: has a sexy song on every album. That's normal, like
Speaker 1: everybody has sex, and so she has sex song on
Speaker 1: every album. On Control, which is the album before the
Speaker 1: Rhythm Nation, her sexy song, her sexy Nasty, but it
Speaker 1: was um, some day is tonight, which is basically kind
Speaker 1: of like any time any place, which was on the
Speaker 1: Janet album. It's like, let's do it, We've been waiting
Speaker 1: for because she had let's wait awhile and then some
Speaker 1: day is tonight, like let's wait for someday when we'll
Speaker 1: do it, and then tonight when the has been conversations,
Speaker 1: Hello honey, um. And so she had that, but she
Speaker 1: never had like a whole project, right, and those were
Speaker 1: always like the deep cuts and so the moment in
Speaker 1: time which she credits her sexuality Awakening was the filming
Speaker 1: of Poetic Justice. Yeah, they came out the same year. Um,
Speaker 1: but we already to see a little bit of her
Speaker 1: belly button at the end of Rhythm Nation, which was
Speaker 1: not very sexy. The album was not very sex She
Speaker 1: was all buttoned up and she had you know, it
Speaker 1: was more like militant. Yeah. Yeah, but uh love will
Speaker 1: Never Do Without You was her sexiest video up to
Speaker 1: date up to that point. Um. And then she right
Speaker 1: after that, she because she she released that Would Never
Speaker 1: Do Without You, and then went and filmed Poetic Justice,
Speaker 1: and then a couple of a couple of years later
Speaker 1: it came out. Um, and so that so, yes, she's
Speaker 1: very sexy for for the Janet album and was grabbing
Speaker 1: crotches and having her tips grabbed on the album cover.
Speaker 1: She was like, forget my belly button, let's show you
Speaker 1: some titties. Um. And it was on the Rolling Stones cover,
Speaker 1: which was like like like it was like he was
Speaker 1: a different person. Yes. So this this is the album
Speaker 1: that has all these interludes throughout it, which all the
Speaker 1: best very mastered. The interlude on that album, Yeah, she
Speaker 1: did this felt like the cohesive sex project. It's so right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, and that's it's um, it's that's what we
Speaker 1: love goes. And if or no, wait, what's what's what's
Speaker 1: on that? That's where if anytime any place. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. Okay, uh, yes, that's where it goes. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's the way I love goes. That's where it goes.
Speaker 1: That was the first single, which was it was like,
Speaker 1: it's obviously it's like a really mellow song, and that
Speaker 1: was um j Loo. We mentioned Jaylor earlier. Jayla was
Speaker 1: originally supposed to be one of her backup dancers UM
Speaker 1: and it was like Janet had always um debuted a
Speaker 1: single like a big dance song. This time she debuted
Speaker 1: just her. It was like filmed in a in a house,
Speaker 1: just her and the kids, her dancers sitting around. It
Speaker 1: was very chill. It's very different. Your your your your
Speaker 1: favorite Janet album, my favorite Janet Experience album, the videos,
Speaker 1: the concert that's amazing. Yeah. And it's also it's funny
Speaker 1: because by the time I Carol became aware of Janet UM,
Speaker 1: she already was like a sex icon, you know, like
Speaker 1: because because this came out of ninety three, so it's
Speaker 1: like throughout pretty much the rest of the nineties, sexuality
Speaker 1: was like pretty much synonymous with Janet Jackson because Matt,
Speaker 1: you and I came in around like for for me,
Speaker 1: like our age, like we came in around all for You.
Speaker 1: I would say, no, my my first, my first real
Speaker 1: Janet moment was there about us when okay, so that
Speaker 1: was my Janet moment. And then All for You was
Speaker 1: her like sort of mainstream moment, right, and then she
Speaker 1: was in the fucking clumps and she gave it. I know,
Speaker 1: you know, fact, what's going on here? What happened to
Speaker 1: that belly button girl? Yeah? I know. But it was
Speaker 1: nice for me to work backwards from All for You,
Speaker 1: which is very like poppy, mainstream whatever, but then to
Speaker 1: go like but then like college, I got in my
Speaker 1: timeline as all messed up with Janna. But college was
Speaker 1: control and controls like the Jana album. I know, it's
Speaker 1: so strong. It's strong principle, it's one of the principles. Ever,
Speaker 1: Like just when the movie Hustler started and the very
Speaker 1: first line is this is a story about control, it
Speaker 1: was like already was like this movie already gets it
Speaker 1: on such a deep level. Yeah, the music was another
Speaker 1: character in the show. Yes, in the movie. Yes it was.
Speaker 1: It really got it. And like, you know, not to
Speaker 1: detour too much, but speaking of j Lo, like her
Speaker 1: idea to have Criminal by Fiona Apple be that song
Speaker 1: that she's stripped to genius like and honestly Jayla saying
Speaker 1: just Jlo playing gimme more and going this is my
Speaker 1: this is not song that I think Hustlers is an
Speaker 1: underrated movie and I think it should have gotten It
Speaker 1: should have gotten Oscar you know, did it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of us in the very beginning,
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of buzz in the very beginning,
Speaker 1: but those performances, the story, I just everything about it
Speaker 1: was such a brilliant movie. And I think people, I
Speaker 1: imagine that people probably kind of sold it short just
Speaker 1: because of who was in it, the women that were
Speaker 1: in it, well and and then and then it was women.
Speaker 1: And I think the fact of the matter is if
Speaker 1: that film is directed by a man, or it's even
Speaker 1: or if there's even more men in it, or if
Speaker 1: it's about men in any small way more, I think
Speaker 1: it warrants more consideration on their part. But the fact
Speaker 1: that good twelve Ocean thirteen, oh my god, there's too
Speaker 1: many and I think I think the fact that the
Speaker 1: director was a young woman and it's starred two women
Speaker 1: of color, people people honestly like it just didn't get
Speaker 1: the respect that it deserved. And I hear people kind
Speaker 1: of pick apart like it's narrative. It's like, you know
Speaker 1: the way the screenplay works, and I'm like, y'all know
Speaker 1: that you're just trying to find ways to justify it
Speaker 1: not getting its due, and there is no justification. That
Speaker 1: was one of the movies. It was one of the
Speaker 1: movies that really good movie. I do want to observe
Speaker 1: something and point out something back to Janet. I feel
Speaker 1: like this is not to make a too full circle,
Speaker 1: but I feel like I don't think Janet fans have
Speaker 1: like a name, Like there's no like pet fandom stand
Speaker 1: name for Janet? Are they not rhythm nation? I guess
Speaker 1: the Rhythm nation that's collective, right, Yes, that's right. Um.
Speaker 1: I feel like, and this is just what's informing Peppermin
Speaker 1: being like, I'm not gonna like stand anybody the way
Speaker 1: that the kids are these days because I come from
Speaker 1: a time when, um not that it's like dating you
Speaker 1: like so crazily, but it's like you coming from a
Speaker 1: time when like you just really like enjoyed someone's experience
Speaker 1: and you didn't have to like assign yourself an id
Speaker 1: don't need to it. You could just like come in
Speaker 1: and absorb it, you know. Yeah, and that's and and
Speaker 1: maybe I definitely think that has to do with me,
Speaker 1: my my bracket. Um yeah, for sure, for sure. I've
Speaker 1: just googled it. And she does not have a like
Speaker 1: fan group. Yeah, yeah, I think that's classy. I think
Speaker 1: that's nice. We don't have to name it. We're a
Speaker 1: Janet Jackson fan. Yeah yeah, Okay. This, by the way, this,
Speaker 1: this Wikipedia page that I'm on claims that Kelly Clarkson's
Speaker 1: fans are called Calabrities, and I can confirm with two
Speaker 1: that that is not true. Um, I don't identify as
Speaker 1: a Calabrity. It's just two. It gets like tacky. It's
Speaker 1: just this too. I mean, I know it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be cute and not take it up too seriously, but
Speaker 1: it is kind of like no, you know, because if
Speaker 1: you're the person and you hate that, like you know,
Speaker 1: and also you can't change it. Like Ariona's fan forever
Speaker 1: are called aria Naders, and she's got to live with
Speaker 1: that when she's forward. That is so stupid. Depending on
Speaker 1: how you pronounced that, it's so unfortunate in a Oh Jesus,
Speaker 1: I didn't even hear that. I've heard it, and that sucks.
Speaker 1: That's as kitty cats. Is that what Katie's fans are?
Speaker 1: Hers are the Katie Cats here. Here's just a few.
Speaker 1: Little Monster has not aged well as a Gaga fan myself.
Speaker 1: I feel like little Monster. I think Little Monster adds,
Speaker 1: I mean, holds up more than most. I mean none,
Speaker 1: none of them are as good as a Elia Banks's
Speaker 1: count brigade. Um. Of course, we have the bee Hive,
Speaker 1: which I think it's not fair. I mean, look, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say anything about the bee Hive, but I
Speaker 1: have a little bit of confusion be because I'm the
Speaker 1: only person I heard talking about that was a little
Speaker 1: can little cam. Yeah. She she even says like, I'm
Speaker 1: the Queen Bee. I'm the real queen. I don't know
Speaker 1: who this other queen Bee is saying she is, but
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, and then we have what do we
Speaker 1: have here? We have got let's see, obviously the Rihanna Navy,
Speaker 1: which I do like. I like navy, but it's a
Speaker 1: lot of colms like Mishandlings. It's like there it was
Speaker 1: one person's job to come up with this, whether it
Speaker 1: was on the person's team or outside in the fandom.
Speaker 1: But it's like the wholesale adoption of this amongst everything.
Speaker 1: You gotta call you. It's like the R Now you
Speaker 1: get a name. You gotta get a name. It's so gimmicky.
Speaker 1: This says that Mariah Carey's Lambs are often credited as
Speaker 1: being the first fandom name. I don't think that's true.
Speaker 1: I think it was the be Hive. Well, you need
Speaker 1: to you need to send an email to Wikipedia then
Speaker 1: and right, Oh honey, I've had sent emails to Wikipedia
Speaker 1: Dark trust me, Darling and esctially rule culture number one
Speaker 1: and three. Sometimes you have to send it darling, and
Speaker 1: You're not easy. I don't have a Wikipedia page. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I have to do. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that I had when either I was uh, you know,
Speaker 1: googling myself as one does. And um, it was probably
Speaker 1: around the time I just got on drag Race and
Speaker 1: I realized that there was a Wikipedia page for me,
Speaker 1: and it had a lot of personal information and I
Speaker 1: just ignored it. I'm like, and then a year or
Speaker 1: so later, like a year ago whatever. Um. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: this information is wrong. They keep running wrong information. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't like age and stuff like that. Like I'm like, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: you know, but they were like putting my dead name
Speaker 1: and putting also putting my like quote unquote real name,
Speaker 1: my government name, which actually wasn't even accurate, and and
Speaker 1: and but what ended up having long story short, is
Speaker 1: someone put it on Wikipedia at the same time that
Speaker 1: somebody printed it in a magazine and a magazine I
Speaker 1: would say which, And so then it became what is
Speaker 1: known as circular reporting. I never heard of this, and
Speaker 1: they so they each each uh um outlet was crediting
Speaker 1: the other as the original source. The magazine was saying
Speaker 1: they got from Wikipedia. Wikipedia was saying they got it
Speaker 1: from the magazine. And I'm like, one of y'all can't
Speaker 1: be you can't both be right, um, And I was
Speaker 1: so I told I basically told the magazine was like
Speaker 1: look and every other magazine. I went through every single
Speaker 1: story that had my name in it and said, I
Speaker 1: need you to take out either my dead name or
Speaker 1: do not print my this other name. None of this
Speaker 1: information is correct. Take it down and they many of
Speaker 1: them did. Only one of them refused because they were
Speaker 1: like the original one. And then Wikipedia refused and it
Speaker 1: had They have like levels of um because you know,
Speaker 1: anyone can edit Wikipedia, but they have levels of like
Speaker 1: wizardry where different people can you know, be their grand
Speaker 1: not the grand Wizard, but the grand Wizard of Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: A front runner from title of Unfortunately the arianators are
Speaker 1: running it. No no, oh my god, hell anyway, so
Speaker 1: they can? I luncher short. I posted to my to
Speaker 1: like people, to my followers, I was like, can someone
Speaker 1: please help me? I know one y'all knows how to
Speaker 1: edit this Wikipedia. Can somebody please do it? And so
Speaker 1: someone did and like a teenager was like, hey, I'll help.
Speaker 1: And they had like levels one access and they change
Speaker 1: it and then it just kept going up the run. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then the next person who had level the next level
Speaker 1: access changed it back, and then the next person that
Speaker 1: level the next level, and it went all the way
Speaker 1: up until someone at the like level seventy five access
Speaker 1: was like, I'm deleting all of you be gone and
Speaker 1: they and they're like, I'm changing it all back, and
Speaker 1: it all went back to the original shadiness and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is not right. And I was like,
Speaker 1: there's no forum. I was like, this is my information.
Speaker 1: I know what my name is, and this is not it.
Speaker 1: And they were not having it. They're like, sorry, it's
Speaker 1: out there, it's been published. It's as far as we're concerned,
Speaker 1: it's real. And I was like, oh no, because they
Speaker 1: say their principle is that if a rep if any
Speaker 1: outlet or which is a flawed but they're like, if
Speaker 1: a reputable, if it's printed, it must be true. That's
Speaker 1: what Wikipedia is philosophy is. So the way that they
Speaker 1: justify something being on a Wikipedia pages, they they source
Speaker 1: it like a bibliography exactly. So if anyone else, if
Speaker 1: you get it from a source, if you get it
Speaker 1: from a source, that source obviously did their their they're
Speaker 1: due diligence. So we can trust our sources, but you
Speaker 1: can't trust all of your sources at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. That is like I mean, in that moment,
Speaker 1: that is like inaccurate and and also just plainly transphobic.
Speaker 1: If they're why am I not a source? Why don't
Speaker 1: I count as a source? Right? So okay, So I've
Speaker 1: always wondered how it fucking works, Like did you did
Speaker 1: you guys just like go on one day and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you had a Wikipedia all of a
Speaker 1: sudden one day, all of a sudden, and this is
Speaker 1: this is no, we're near the same level of distressing.
Speaker 1: But but my Wikipedia, for whatever reason, says I majored
Speaker 1: in microbiology and college and not chemistry. And I keeping like,
Speaker 1: where the fund did they get that from? And I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, pepper Man, I'm sure. It's like a circular
Speaker 1: reporting thing where it's like one publication printed it and
Speaker 1: then now it's being even though I even though I
Speaker 1: can be like ha ha l o, l um, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna beg for my money every three fucking months,
Speaker 1: you can at least take my word for it that
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. I wasn't a microbiology major. You know.
Speaker 1: It's so that's so that that is really upset. It's
Speaker 1: the worst, and they don't want to list them. But
Speaker 1: finally one of them told me, look, this is what
Speaker 1: you gotta do. You gotta get on and you have
Speaker 1: to make a public declaration. And so I got on
Speaker 1: there on Twitter and I made a public declaration. This
Speaker 1: is my name. If you call me anything other than
Speaker 1: that you are being disrespectful. I do not want to
Speaker 1: be dead named. It's transphobic to use my old name.
Speaker 1: And then my name is what I tell you it is.
Speaker 1: End of story. And then they said that that would work,
Speaker 1: and it actually was the I guess, the catalyst for
Speaker 1: them to open the conversation again amongst the committee. And
Speaker 1: then they had one of these people told me who
Speaker 1: It's like they have a culture at Wikipedia. Who came who?
Speaker 1: Who came to my social media? It was like, girl,
Speaker 1: they are having a conference about your name and whether
Speaker 1: to redo your thing. They're having a whole forum about it.
Speaker 1: And I'm not able to contribute because I'm I'm just
Speaker 1: level two, but I'm able to witness it. And and
Speaker 1: this is what's going down, and they're blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, is anyone fighting for me?
Speaker 1: And there and they're like, yeah, somebody is. And eventually
Speaker 1: it won. I mean like I was a court case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. It's like you have to win to be
Speaker 1: who called who you are. And then also it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm I haven't looked, but is it like I would
Speaker 1: imagine that. It's like it won't allow it to just
Speaker 1: be like, and Peppermint's name is Peppermint. It's like December
Speaker 1: nineteen or two thousand seventeen, Peppermint declared that her name
Speaker 1: is Actually this is just like that basically, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: bureaucratic like nonsense of all that is so so stupid.
Speaker 1: I mean, but listen, you want you beat the Grand
Speaker 1: Wizard and we love that. The only reason, the only
Speaker 1: reason I want one is because I feel like every
Speaker 1: time someone googles me, there's so there's like eight other
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers is. I like, literally, if you google me,
Speaker 1: it's some pictures of me and some pictures of an
Speaker 1: American Idol contestant from season two, and it's like, also
Speaker 1: who also like hosts a show about like I don't know,
Speaker 1: trucks or something because he's straight, and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I'd like everyone to know that I'm not this person.
Speaker 1: So I guess that's the only reason why I want one. Probably,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, whatever, it's gonna be like personal life, and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of those things where it's like
Speaker 1: gay period. Look, if anyone's listening is if anyone listening
Speaker 1: as a teenager on level one, let us know, let's
Speaker 1: get the Matt Rodgers Wikipedia page and started with this
Speaker 1: sort of I don't think so honey, energy We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a quick break and return with I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, and we are bad all right, So here
Speaker 1: we are. It's I don't think so honey. On this
Speaker 1: the episode of Last Culturist that is featuring the one
Speaker 1: the Only Peppermint. So this is our segment that we
Speaker 1: do bow and on I and our guests where we
Speaker 1: take sixty seconds to rail against something in culture that's
Speaker 1: just absolutely killing us in a way where we can
Speaker 1: no longer contain ourselves and it has to be brought down.
Speaker 1: So um, I do have a topic bow that was okay,
Speaker 1: sort of came up, came up today, oh okay, and
Speaker 1: it arose in my mind today as a result of
Speaker 1: my uh hobby might not hobbies, my errands errands that
Speaker 1: I was running. You had told me, okay, So this
Speaker 1: is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so honey. As
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey. Credit card culture,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the funk I'm doing When I
Speaker 1: go into Chase and they're like, you need to get
Speaker 1: a new credit card. Maximums minimums. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the fun this is. I don't know what a one
Speaker 1: to one point thing is. I don't know what points
Speaker 1: on a credit card are. I don't know when when
Speaker 1: I should be using my credit card, when I should
Speaker 1: be using my TapIt card. To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: this is just a part of my culture that I
Speaker 1: just don't think, so, honey, I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 1: I was never taught how to use one. What's the deal?
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, these dudates sneak up on you
Speaker 1: and they're like your pastor too. It's like, what do
Speaker 1: I have to put this on my Google cow? Mychol
Speaker 1: calls already full. I don't think so that there's enough
Speaker 1: space for it. How the funk am I supposed to
Speaker 1: know that? Like I'm it's time for Like, oh, so
Speaker 1: how do you how do you build credit? I don't know, so, honey.
Speaker 1: I just I got I wanted to get a better
Speaker 1: credit card, and I want to get the Chase sapp fire.
Speaker 1: I said, so let's close out my Chase Freedom. They said, no,
Speaker 1: we can't close out the Chase Freedom. It's not time.
Speaker 1: Do I know why? I don't think, so, honey, and
Speaker 1: that's one minute. I find myself completely confused as to
Speaker 1: the world of credit cards. And that's designed I got. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the only thing you're supposed to know about credit cards
Speaker 1: is that you're supposed to use it to buy things.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing they want you to know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is how you build good credit. Um,
Speaker 1: you use it to buy things. Literally, and like the
Speaker 1: magic number, you only you only use that a third
Speaker 1: of your credit line. Okay, but you you keep it
Speaker 1: at that and you're not you pay on time. And also, um,
Speaker 1: the longer you have a credit card, the better credit
Speaker 1: you build. This is what I want I understand how
Speaker 1: to use a credit I'm sort of leaning into it.
Speaker 1: I don't think of money, but I will say one
Speaker 1: thing is like when they show you the perks on
Speaker 1: the bonuses, I'm always like, what does any of this
Speaker 1: ship mean? Like what, like, how does it relate to anything?
Speaker 1: I just I feel like it's unclear and never has
Speaker 1: been explained to me. And when I tell bank people,
Speaker 1: I literally will be like, you need to explain this,
Speaker 1: like you're talking to an idiot, because you are, and
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, cool nine percent, And I'm like what
Speaker 1: is percents. What is all we need to? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do an assignment for you and me. We
Speaker 1: need to, we need to. Actually, I think it's time
Speaker 1: for us to start and points culture whoa yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what what say it again? For the point guy? You
Speaker 1: don't follow him Darling Lavish Okay, he's he's this gay
Speaker 1: man who knows all about credit cards and I feel
Speaker 1: like he can walk. He can walk you through it
Speaker 1: if even pass credit cards. Now it's it's membership clubs.
Speaker 1: It's he does. Really he It's not just that he.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I guess it depends on the program
Speaker 1: that he's using for the credit card, because he really
Speaker 1: knows how to use those perks. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I just need someone to navigate for me how
Speaker 1: I can because I don't want to hear. And I
Speaker 1: know it's true, Like I know that I'm not using
Speaker 1: whatever system I'm involved in right now the correct way
Speaker 1: or the way that's like causing me the most benefits.
Speaker 1: And that bothers me, like like when as long as
Speaker 1: the banks are making money, then none of us are.
Speaker 1: Well exactly, I mean that that's the thing is, it's like,
Speaker 1: I know that it doesn't matter to them, but it's like,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be involved in this system of credit cards,
Speaker 1: which is like already I roll and I know the
Speaker 1: banks are taking advantage of advantage of us at every turn,
Speaker 1: I'd at least like to get what I can get
Speaker 1: out of it. And if you're telling me I can
Speaker 1: get a free flight, I should know how exactly that's
Speaker 1: the true. That's the truth, honestly, Matt, get like the
Speaker 1: get the Jet Blue master card and then you just
Speaker 1: get like miles or something. Yeah, but you know what
Speaker 1: you can do that. I'm a Delta girl. I think
Speaker 1: we should get into Points sky um and maybe we'll
Speaker 1: get him on the show. Would be an iconic guest.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't. I don't really know his deal. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: I do know that he's gay. He's gay. I love
Speaker 1: that I've got one. I've got one. That's good that
Speaker 1: you have one. I'll tell you. What I don't have
Speaker 1: is my phone on me. It's all the way over there.
Speaker 1: So do you myself? Not at all? Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: this is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey. His
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey, fifty eight
Speaker 1: degrees and Sonny, what the hell am I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Am I wearing a shore and a long sleeve? Culture
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be hot outside. It's it's gonna feel
Speaker 1: like the fifty eight degrees, But then the sun's gonna
Speaker 1: feel like it's beaming down onto my skin and it's
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna feel like I'm burning up down there
Speaker 1: or just and down, and by down there, I mean
Speaker 1: down everywhere on the body. It's just today was very
Speaker 1: confusing for me walking around outside. I do love I
Speaker 1: tend to love fall weathers there, it's this liminal space
Speaker 1: where I'm not really We're not given the tools to
Speaker 1: know what to do when it's fifty eight degrees and sunny.
Speaker 1: It's like, what do you wear? It's like credit cards,
Speaker 1: where it's it's by design. We're not supposed to know
Speaker 1: what to do, what our recourses. So am I wearing
Speaker 1: long pants and a T shirt or Amy wearing a
Speaker 1: sweater and shorts? I don't know. There is no right answer,
Speaker 1: but there is no wrong answer. But that leaves me
Speaker 1: in the five secretory of choice. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do. I don't know where to go. Fifty eight
Speaker 1: degrees and sunny your purgatory, and that's one minute. I
Speaker 1: have to say you said that to the wrong person,
Speaker 1: because I'm I would die for fifty degrees and right
Speaker 1: now I'm in l a where it's too fucking hot.
Speaker 1: Were in the midst of our ninth heat wave of
Speaker 1: the year, and it's just like, oh my god, fifty
Speaker 1: degrees and sunny. That is a gorgeous deal. I love
Speaker 1: that you were. You are the New York You got
Speaker 1: too used to you got too used to l A there, Bowen.
Speaker 1: I know, I know you're right, You're right here. You
Speaker 1: can't because guess what, Bowen. Let me let me give
Speaker 1: you two Let me give you and I don't think
Speaker 1: so you were sitting I was sitting in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: captives in Los Angeles for as as I have been
Speaker 1: from many projects, and uh, but what I was when
Speaker 1: I was from drag Race and all we had was TV.
Speaker 1: We didn't have phone, your sequestion all about it, And
Speaker 1: so I was watching the same TV and I got
Speaker 1: to know, as one does, the local news team that
Speaker 1: would come on every day every morning, and homegirl the
Speaker 1: weather I can't remember her name now, because I wiped
Speaker 1: it out of my memory. The local weather lady on
Speaker 1: ABC in Los Angeles, don't remember her name. I thought
Speaker 1: I was going crazy. I don't know any because all
Speaker 1: I had I don't know her. I had a window.
Speaker 1: I was looking out the window and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: this damn thing is the same weather every single day.
Speaker 1: And then I turned on the thing and the woman
Speaker 1: on the thing they no lie, They're like, okay, things
Speaker 1: And now to weather home girl gets on there and
Speaker 1: she says, it's basically a carbon copy of yesterday, and
Speaker 1: well that's iconic, and I'm like what. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: knew it, and so I can't with l A. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I love you all, everyone, I love everyone, but the weather.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in a place where it's
Speaker 1: the same weather every day for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: It's Groundhog Day. What's going on? You like? What? No?
Speaker 1: You know what? I will say this during during like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, December to March, you get a good
Speaker 1: moment because especially like last February, it was raining every
Speaker 1: day and I was loving it. Was it was sort
Speaker 1: of like you know, like like a like a like
Speaker 1: a mid sixties moment with like a and it would
Speaker 1: get a little rainy. And I love that, Nelle, because
Speaker 1: it's also dry and it's worried about the humidity dolling
Speaker 1: and so that's kind of like something that was my
Speaker 1: Mariah slipping in like hit. But I just I can't
Speaker 1: describe how easy it must be the fucking weather girl
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles, the easiest job in It must be
Speaker 1: the easiest. She was like, it's basic. She was so
Speaker 1: over it, and I was like, whoa she's like and
Speaker 1: then she walked off. If that was her report, I
Speaker 1: love it. And you can't say she's not doing a
Speaker 1: good job. We're talking about her. We're talking about her.
Speaker 1: You have you have a doodle? My google talk. I
Speaker 1: thought you were saying like a labord porg. Oh no,
Speaker 1: this is a pork this is this actually is my
Speaker 1: I've seen it's from It's actually from the last Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of the girls out there now are getting
Speaker 1: a little baby Yoda dolls. But I have a little
Speaker 1: pork um and he actually makes a sound. Would you
Speaker 1: like to talk to him? Hold on? Yeah, it's cute.
Speaker 1: It's like a bird thing. It's like a bird, mammal
Speaker 1: bird with for very cute, very cute. Okay, wait, Peppermint, Okay,
Speaker 1: we didn't time you on that one, but you would
Speaker 1: you like to know that's not my that's not my.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I just wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: it was just an I don't think so, honey. Addition,
Speaker 1: this is the real thing. This is the real thing.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure, and I knew that
Speaker 1: Peppermint knew the rules. I wanted to make sure. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Peppermints. I don't think so, honey, and her
Speaker 1: time starts now in the age of COVID, when everyone
Speaker 1: is locked in their house, and especially in the beginning
Speaker 1: when nobody was leaving their apartments, I do not think so.
Speaker 1: To the people whoever is hacking up the food and
Speaker 1: putting the condiments in the bag, the condiments and the
Speaker 1: utensils and the flatwear, I do not want to be
Speaker 1: sitting in a hotel room with no fork and not
Speaker 1: enough ketchup or too much catch up because I got eggs.
Speaker 1: Nothing is right. I don't eat ketchup by my egg
Speaker 1: And if I'm getting some Chinese food, I want more
Speaker 1: than one packet of soy sauce. Houly I'm getting want.
Speaker 1: Don't give me one packet and it do do not
Speaker 1: ever send the bag to go and not put a
Speaker 1: fork and a straw and a spoon and a knife.
Speaker 1: Nobody and already holding their own fork. You need to
Speaker 1: go ahead and get your stuff together. You need to
Speaker 1: quit your job. I don't think so. Wow, I have
Speaker 1: to tell you something. This is exactly what I don't think,
Speaker 1: so honey. It's all about. It's it's negotiating with the
Speaker 1: culture right now. You are dead ass. Every time I
Speaker 1: order from Panda Expressed, they don't even put soy sauce
Speaker 1: in the bag every single time. And I'm like, not
Speaker 1: for nothing, but y'all weren't the gourmet Chinese option, so
Speaker 1: you put soy sauce in the bag. I'm sorry, you're not.
Speaker 1: You're not a steakhouse where it's it's it's rude. Let's research, mama.
Speaker 1: Lets you know in there, girl, I know they have
Speaker 1: what do you know? They have a whole back room
Speaker 1: all of the stuff. You can't be giving a girl
Speaker 1: one you have a really giving it away. What do
Speaker 1: you what do you need all of it? What are
Speaker 1: you hoarding it? That's the thing I was like, I
Speaker 1: almost took their side in the beginning. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they feel as though, like so many
Speaker 1: orders are going out, we can't be giving away all
Speaker 1: our supplies. It's like it is it is so ridiculous
Speaker 1: to give no fork, no knife, No, it is so crazy.
Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that. Thank you for saying that.
Speaker 1: And I know, I know we're not supposed to like
Speaker 1: root for like putting utensils in the bag necessarily because
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, is it bad for the environment, But
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes you need there's no way around it. And no,
Speaker 1: there's no Sometimes every time you get food, every time
Speaker 1: you get food, you need utensils and what unless we're
Speaker 1: getting like what are we getting that hand? What do
Speaker 1: you order? That's okay? Pizza, okay, pizza. Do not give
Speaker 1: me a fork with pizza, No, that's it. But with
Speaker 1: tiny food good I have a fork on that one.
Speaker 1: I need some bamboo fork on that one. Gonna fork
Speaker 1: on a knife on the You can't send food. You
Speaker 1: have to assume that you want to. You do not
Speaker 1: want to send your food out and have people be like,
Speaker 1: well I can't eat this because I can't don't have
Speaker 1: what I need. Give them everything they need. Can you imagine?
Speaker 1: And for someone like you who was often in hotels,
Speaker 1: it's like, hello, I now I carry a fork and
Speaker 1: a knife and asprome But why should you have to
Speaker 1: do that? Why do I? But that's ridiculous. It's more
Speaker 1: ridiculous for me to have to carry I will say,
Speaker 1: she froze, but the way she froze was like someone's
Speaker 1: like a photo of it. This is the gorgeous I mean, stunning. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get her back. You are okay, Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's because you have so many appliances running over there.
Speaker 1: You got that, Yeah, but oh my god, you are
Speaker 1: goddamnit our dead on Wow. I have to say this
Speaker 1: has been obvious. Emotional about that. Yeah, just truly. The
Speaker 1: computer was you brought us there with you. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: has been such a fun episode. I have to say,
Speaker 1: I'm so exciting talking to you and finally getting you here.
Speaker 1: And we're so thrilled for our girl like Me. Letters
Speaker 1: to my Lover's coming out in October sixteen, two thousand twenty, y'all,
Speaker 1: it's gonna help hopefully uh improved this year a little bit.
Speaker 1: Um And the single is Best Sex and it's out
Speaker 1: right now, and I do want to. I know Bowen
Speaker 1: mentioned it earlier the show Pep Talk next our first
Speaker 1: I'm not sure when this air is, but our first premier,
Speaker 1: our premier guests were Alaska and Bob and our brand
Speaker 1: new show. And the second week we have miss Kole
Speaker 1: whoa guests. Yeah, we gotta get we gotta get sle
Speaker 1: on this pod we've had We've had Alaska and Bob
Speaker 1: and now the legendary Pep. But we were sort of
Speaker 1: making our way through the dragon girls like those. We
Speaker 1: are race chasers first and foremost, Peppermint, this was fantastic.
Speaker 1: We love you so much, thank you for coming on
Speaker 1: my pleasure. I'm so happy to finally be here with
Speaker 1: both of you. Well, you'll have to come back soon.
Speaker 1: And you know Bowen, Yes, we always close out with
Speaker 1: the song, and I think that we should close out
Speaker 1: with a song that sort of alludes to what's happening
Speaker 1: next week. Yes, and I do you can read I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, it's just when that song is about
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter's come anyway by