1 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty Armstrong. 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 2: And Jettie and he Armstrong and Getty Strong. 4 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: President now claiming quote some progress in the effort to 5 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 3: end the war in Ukraine, saying he thinks Putin quote 6 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 3: has had enough, but Putin giving no indications Russia is 7 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 3: any closer to a ceasefire. President Trump now saying he 8 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: will leave it up to Ukraine and Russia to negotiate 9 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: for now. 10 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: What about the Putin call? Remember we had a clip 11 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: of that? What was that about? Show years ago? Show 12 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: the Putin call? That's from like eight years ago, So 13 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: I don't remember that at the very beginning of Trump one. Yeah, 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: any who, Trump was on the phone with Vladimir Putin 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: for about two hours yesterday, and the takeaway seems to 16 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: be I'm gonna let them work it out. Which where 17 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: does that leave things? It leaves it as a win 18 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: for Putin. I think yes, although the ball is in 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: Trump's court because he has not said, at least as 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: of yet, Okay, if you're going to let them work 21 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: that out, does that mean them working it out while 22 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 2: we continue to give a tremendous amount of aid, intelligence 23 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: aid maybe being the most important to Ukraine or not, 24 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: Because if it's or not, it's a big deal. Yeah. 25 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 4: I feel like those of us who would like to 26 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: see the US backing Ukraine are digging through about our 27 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: fifteenth pile of manure looking for the pony in Trump's negotiations, 28 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 4: just this. Maybe he's got this up his sleeve, you know, 29 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 4: feeling or hope. 30 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: It's just it's been dashed over and over again. Well, 31 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: he does have to go one way or the other. 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: We are either going to continue to back Ukraine the 33 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: way we have for three years or not. And if 34 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 2: we're not, that's a major change. I think it's more 35 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: likely that one happens. Will he announce it or will 36 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: it will it just become evident at some point, I 37 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: don't know, after this period of Zelensky in Ukraine and 38 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: Europe doing everything conceivable conceivable to make. 39 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: It clear we want peace too, We're with you on this, 40 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 4: and putin never giving a single sign that he has. 41 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: Any interest in Trump's piece too. 42 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 4: No, if it if the US policy becomes well and 43 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 4: you all are on your own, we're not going to 44 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 4: support a Ukraine well. 45 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: Then we've but it's not a nothing we've cided with 46 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: right now. In my opinion, I know one hundred that's 47 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: exactly my point. Yeah, And what seemed to be the 48 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: lean is indeed coming true. It was it was less 49 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: than Putin showing you wasn't interested in peace right now. 50 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 2: He gave Trump a long lecture about why Ukraine belongs 51 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: to Russia, and he said this will not end until 52 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 2: the underlying problems are solved. Well, the underlying problems will 53 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: not be solved until he has Ukraine correct. Yeah. Yeah. 54 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 4: As Rich Lowry writes in The National Review, the play 55 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 4: for the Kremlin is obvious here. It wants to keep 56 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: pinching ahead with territorial gains, and if it continues to 57 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 4: string along the negotiations, has to hope that Trump tires 58 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 4: of the whole thing and cuts off USA to Ukraine. 59 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 4: That would reward Putin's intransigent with an important diplomatic victory 60 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 4: is split between the US and Europe and a chance 61 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 4: to make major advances against an increasingly hard pressed Ukraine. 62 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 4: And the only reference really to Trump being tired of 63 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 4: Putin and understanding that he's being played was that reference 64 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 4: to Putin's tapping me along. 65 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: But I mean to. 66 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 4: Come out of the call yesterday and say, yeah, I 67 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 4: think we made progress. 68 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: I don't know who that is. 69 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 5: Well. 70 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: Jd Vance presented it as as well, if you guys 71 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: aren't interested, then hey, we're out. As if that is 72 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: a actually a neutral position. That is not a neutral position, 73 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: that's a taking the side of Russian position. So I 74 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: don't know if they're just trying, if they're trying to 75 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: fool people by presenting it is like we're just staying 76 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: neutral on this or what. So the ball is first off, 77 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 2: I think in Trump's court, but then absolutely in Europe's 78 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: court as they got to figure out what to do. 79 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: So they had a big meeting over the weekend of 80 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: European leaders with a couple of interesting things that came 81 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: out of it. A big defense meeting of the Germany, 82 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: the big people Germany, Britain, France, poland a couple of things. 83 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: They announced. Germany is going to lift their prohibition on 84 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: nuclear energy that they've had since World War Two, so 85 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 2: they are going to, like France, start using nuclear energy 86 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: so that they don't have to buy energy from Russia. 87 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 2: So that's a pretty big deal economically for Russia. Yeah, 88 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 2: they a so announced in that meeting that Russia will 89 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: does not present NATO a dilemma in five years like 90 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: had previously been thought if the war were to end soon, 91 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: but could within a year, like they could be back 92 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: up to speed enough within a year to present NATO 93 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: a real dilemma of what do we do now? If 94 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: they move on Estonia, they would be strong enough. That's 95 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: what the European countries announced over the weekend. And then 96 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: I really liked this quote that came out of it. 97 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: I think from the leader of Poland. Russia has been 98 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: playing hockey for years. We are not going to figure 99 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: skate our way out of this. 100 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: Oh that's some good ice sport metaphor slinging there, sir. 101 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, thatam well done. That went with also one of 102 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: the leaders saying the years of two percent funding of 103 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: our military are over. It's going to have to be 104 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: more like five percent. Yeah. 105 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 4: There are days I wish we had unlimited time for 106 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 4: this sort of thing because it's so interesting. 107 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: I have all sorts of interesting. 108 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 4: Well I suppose you all will be the judge of 109 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 4: that when I delivered it, but I found it really 110 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 4: really intriguing analysis of Europe and everything that's wrong with it. 111 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 4: I think the Russia attack on Ukraine following the annexation 112 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 4: of Crimea, and the attack on Georgia and everything else 113 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 4: has has. 114 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: And Germany continuing to buy oil from Russia after that happened, 115 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: and all those kinds of things, well, right, I think 116 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: it's finally gotten to the point that it's shaken the dopey, 117 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: dopey Euros out of their torpor, their their their sleepiness, 118 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: their fantasy land that they've been living in for the 119 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: past a bunch of years after you know, the US 120 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: security umbrella and enabled them to invest vast sums of 121 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: money into welfare states and socialism and the rest of it. 122 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: And I would I. 123 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 4: Would like to issue a hammering indictment against them for 124 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 4: all of that crap. 125 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: But I think they're right about Russia and Ukraine. We're 126 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 2: not going to figure skate our way out of this. Yeah, yeah, 127 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: I love that. Here's the takeaway. 128 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 4: And this was going to be the takeaway after I 129 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 4: built a case over many, many minutes, but I'll give 130 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 4: you the takeaway. We need to work every day as 131 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: a country to not become Europe. 132 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: And there are a couple of examples of a. 133 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 4: Great piece by Walter Russell Mead about why democracy is 134 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: in retreat, and he cites several cases in Europe about 135 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 4: anybody who does not go along with the very very 136 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 4: mainstream view of who ought to get elected and what 137 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: policies ought to be passed is decried as undemocratic and dangerous, 138 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 4: like the AfD party in Germany. And I could go 139 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 4: into detail on that. The more I learned, the more 140 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 4: interested I get. But their definition of democracy is the 141 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 4: results I want, and anything that challenges that is swept aside. 142 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 4: Like the AfD ought to be in an alliance with 143 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 4: the party that won the most seats. It's obvious the 144 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,119 Speaker 4: efforts to keep them out because of a few crack 145 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: pots and being a little soft on Russia or whatever 146 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 4: is just it's twisting the German political system into knots 147 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: were sucsessed with it. 148 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: The men declared a terrorist organization or whatever so people 149 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: can listen to their phone calls and read their emails. 150 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 4: Well, yes, but actually, as long as we're talking about 151 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 4: this is let me click over. 152 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: I think it's right there. 153 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, So last week the German government officially designated the 154 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 4: opposition party AfD as a confirmed extremist organization. The announcement 155 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 4: came from the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, 156 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 4: their domestic intelligence agency, blah blah blah. Then on Wednesday 157 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 4: they abruptly withdrew the extremist label. They will now monitor 158 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 4: the party only as a suspected case, which still allows 159 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 4: some surveillance in a way Americans would find repugnant, but 160 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 4: under much stricter judicial oversight. And somebody leaked the report 161 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 4: and it reveals that the evidence against the AfD consisted 162 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 4: not of plans for violence or insurrection, but just controversial 163 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 4: rhetoric and deeply nationalist views, none of which should have 164 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 4: triggered that designation. So it was the quote unquote mainstream 165 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 4: powers that be trying to label as extremist anybody who 166 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 4: dared shake their hold on power, which is exactly what 167 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 4: I was driving at. Their definition of democracy is democracy 168 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 4: with the right results, and that's terrible. The other thing 169 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 4: I really wanted to talk about is the Wall Street 170 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 4: Journal had a great piece about how huge tech is 171 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 4: in the world economy right now, technology in general, and 172 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 4: how tiny. 173 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: Europe's share of it is. 174 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 4: The EU rivals, I mean, it's it's in the same 175 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: weight class more or less. If you take it as 176 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 4: a whole, the US economy and the Chinese economy, it's 177 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 4: a juggernaut. But you want to talk tech, Oh, it's sad, 178 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 4: it's pathetic. Apple's market value is bigger than the entire 179 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 4: German stock market, for instance. There's no Google, there's no Amazon, 180 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 4: there's no Meta. In Europe, there's nothing even slightly close. 181 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 4: And this Journal article goes into depth and has a 182 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 4: bunch of different examples of native born tech people, German 183 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 4: tech people who brought what they learned back from Silicon 184 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 4: Valley to Europe and were immediately crushed by strict labor laws, 185 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: a risk averse business culture, suffocating regulations, smaller pool of 186 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 4: venture capital, lackluster economic growth, no demographic growth, and said no, 187 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 4: and back to California they went, or other places. Yeah 188 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 4: and so, and you know that list. I'm going to 189 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 4: hit it one more time and we freemar marketers. So 190 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 4: hold old dragon fans. I know we're sad. And then 191 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 4: we ought to have industrial planning in tariffs and the 192 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 4: rest of it. But Europe is crushed by a timid 193 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 4: and risk averse business culture, strict labor laws, suffocating regulations, 194 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 4: smaller pool of venture capital, and lackluster economic growth. 195 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: Don't become Europe. 196 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 4: That's what we as a country need to repeat to 197 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 4: ourselves every morning. You gotta make your bed. It's a 198 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 4: small act of discipline and positive something or other. I 199 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 4: believe in it very much, and say, let's not become 200 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 4: Europe today. 201 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: Like when you get up in the morning, I'm going 202 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: to be a good person today or whatever your mantra is, right, 203 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to do kindness, whatever, do God's will today 204 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 2: and stay positive. Let's not become Europe today. 205 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 4: Yes, we're going to build a utopia through a million regulation. 206 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: Yes. Hour two. I'll get into a little of what 207 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: I pulled out of the first part of Jake Tapper's 208 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 2: book that I started reading last night when I was 209 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: in bed again unintentionally hilarious, along with some interesting nuggets 210 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: about what was going on there. It's the biggest failure 211 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 2: of media in our nation's history, and it should not 212 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: just disappear as a minor thing. Luckily it has not 213 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: been for at least the last couple of weeks. 214 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 6: Jack Armstrong and Joe The Armstrong and Getty Show, The 215 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 6: Armstrong and Getty Show. 216 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: So I watched the Minecraft movie over the weekend with 217 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: my son Henry, and I was about to talk about it, 218 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: and I thought I should look up a little of 219 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: how successful this movie was to back up my premise, 220 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: and I googled it first. Then I remembered what you 221 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: keep saying, No, you got to use the chat GP two. 222 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: I'm trying to get out of a habit of googling 223 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: and go to chat GPT. The answer I got on 224 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 2: chat GPT about I just asked chat GPT, was the 225 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 2: Minecraft movie a financial success? It's answer so much better 226 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: and thorough than googling it, I mean, not even close. 227 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: So I gotta get out of the habit of googling. Anyway, 228 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: a Minecraft movie has made almost a billion dollars worldwide 229 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: after a budget to make it of only one hundred 230 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars, which I gotta believe all of 231 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: the filming of the acting of that movie could have 232 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: been done in an afternoon probably. I mean, there wasn't 233 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: much to it, and it was all so much was 234 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: green screen. It was all CGI stuff and everything like that. 235 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: And like I mentioned, Jack Black, what an interesting dude. 236 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: I don't know is he married or not. I've seen 237 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: him in various interviews. He's certainly not trying to impress chicks. 238 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: He wears ill fitting clothes, he doesn't wash his face 239 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: or coma's hair. He rolls in, does his line's brilliantly 240 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: because he's really good, and and uh collects his money 241 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 2: and goes home. What an interesting thing that is? What 242 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: movie star has never wanted to care how they look? 243 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: Like Jack Black, he cames getting fatter and greasier anyway. 244 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: I mean, you ain't gonna be fat if you want, 245 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: maybe you think that's part of your appeal. You can 246 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: wash your face AnyWho. The Minecraft movie, first of all, 247 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: way better than I expected it to be. I thought 248 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: it was. It was only an hour forty five, but 249 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: I thought, uh, I thought this is gonna be kind 250 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: of tough to sit through. And it was quite entertaining, 251 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: pretty dang funny by the end it had it reminded 252 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: me of like all your Lord of the Rings movies. Okay, 253 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: another giant fight sequence. I just I can't do fight 254 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: sequences like a lot of people can, apparently endlessly. I 255 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: get it. But my main takeaway was, and if I 256 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 2: was rich, I would start if like really like Elon 257 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: rich I would come up with this idea today. It 258 00:14:53,960 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: was basically a series of popular memes that young people 259 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: get strung together so that everybody could laugh together about Hey, 260 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: I get this meme and feel part of something. That's 261 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: what it seemed like to me. And I'll bet you 262 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: could put one of those out once a month of 263 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: just whatever the most recent hot memes were, right, make 264 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: it like ninety minutes long. It's just a series of 265 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: meme jokes that every teenager gets and things to the hilarious, 266 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: and it would be super popular because that's basically what 267 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: the Minecraft movie was. So just a recognition slash belonging fest, yeah, 268 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: because other things aren't really working, but partially because this 269 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: is a reason to be together in the theater. It 270 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: is fun to recognize the memes together. It was clear 271 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: from my older son when he went and saw it 272 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: in the theater that that was a lot of the 273 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: appeal was all these inside jokes that they get and 274 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: laugh at, and it's fun to see him in a group. 275 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: I think this is a way to rescue movies. It's 276 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: gonna kill old time movies. But like just I don't know, 277 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: the most popular memes put together ninety minutes with a 278 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: loose script. I think that would right. Somebody steal that 279 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: idea and make it work. 280 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 4: Well, it's either like irony or a perpetual motion machine 281 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 4: or something that online memes. The enjoyment of online memes together, Yeah, 282 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 4: in a room might convince kids, hey, this is really fun. 283 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: Wow, good point. Hello, But Mike constantly, my son would saying, 284 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: I know you don't get that, but to to various 285 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: things that were happening, characters and lines and stuff like that, 286 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: because they're here today. I mean, you could have had 287 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: a movie where the Hawktua girl was, you know, a 288 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: co star there for a couple of coffee. Oh please, don't. 289 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 4: You and people would have go fought with laughter though 290 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: you know they mean studios. Yes, oh yes, now you 291 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 4: gotta start producing these. This is your ten million dollar idea. 292 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: It's fine. I thought, I'll get another co host. I 293 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: thought of Friday Night. I thought, this is actu brilliant idea. 294 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: It would just take a lot of money to get 295 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: a going. You know, you'd have to pay for rights, 296 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: but you'd have lawyers to do that. They'd be easy. Yeah. Wow, 297 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: that's a great idea. Just your monthly meme cinema. Yeah, yeah, 298 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: and all the teenagers get together and feel cooler and 299 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: smarter than the rest of us because they get all 300 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: the jokes right. Yeah. We bought it though, cost twenty bucks. 301 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 2: So Minecraft's available at home now for streaming, but it 302 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 2: was twenty bucks to in it. 303 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 4: I think it's got about a six month run. Your idea, 304 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 4: oh really, don't like, don't invest too heavily, thinking next 305 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 4: year will be even bigger. 306 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 6: Trust arm strong, the armstrong and Getty shouts. 307 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: My president decides to do something with an executive order 308 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: or whatever often that they promised on the campaign trail, 309 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: their voters get all excited, Yay, they did it day 310 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: one like they promised, And then then I get an 311 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: alert on my phone. Some judge somewhere I've never heard 312 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 2: of it said no, you can't do that, and then 313 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: it stops, and everybody's like groans, like, oh, they can 314 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: do that, and it keeps happening over and over again. 315 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 2: And do we want that system to continue that way 316 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: or not? Is part of what the Supreme Court was 317 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 2: arguing about yesterday. And as one of the justices said, 318 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 2: there are six hundred some federal judges and while I 319 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: do not question their motives. Sometimes they are wrong, so 320 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: do we want them to be able to hold up 321 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: the whole country? 322 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 4: Let us discuss the very interesting and multifaceted oral arguments 323 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 4: yesterday before the Supreme Court with Tim Sandefer, vice president 324 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 4: for Legal Affairs at the Goldwater Institute, among other auspicious titles, 325 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 4: author of eight books, including most recently Freedom's Theories. How 326 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 4: Isabelle Patterson, Rosewilder and Ein Rand found Liberty in Age 327 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 4: of Darkness? 328 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 2: I've recommended it many times. It's terrific. Tim. How are you, sir? 329 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 2: Just great? 330 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me back. 331 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: Guys published poet, gotta throw that in there. True, Yes, 332 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 2: a polymath as they say. 333 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 4: Anyway, Tim, So, ostensibly everyone's talking about that we are 334 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 4: going to discuss birthright citizenship in front of the Supreme Court, 335 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 4: and that did come up. But would you agree that 336 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 4: the more significant discussion was about nationwide injunctions by individual 337 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 4: federal judges. Oh? 338 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely. That was the focus of the argument, and 339 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 5: it was a very interesting argument. But I don't think 340 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 5: that it's a hard question. I think the answer is 341 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 5: obviously nationwide injunctions are perfectly fine. They're the ordinary way 342 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 5: of doing business in the courts, and people who complain 343 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 5: about them either don't understand the system or are trying 344 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 5: to get away with something illegal. 345 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah I don't. I don't always like that it happened, 346 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 2: but I can't see what the alternative would be. As 347 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 2: somebody pointed out, so you're gonna let me. I guess 348 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: it was you that pointed it out yesterday in Twitter. 349 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 2: The idea that so every time a president does something, 350 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 2: it's got to work its way all the way through 351 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 2: the courts up to the Supreme Court, and then a 352 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: decision by the Supreme Court before the Supreme Court might 353 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 2: say sometimes nine nothing, you can't do that. 354 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 5: And during that whole period of time, the government is 355 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 5: still doing the illegal thing. 356 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 2: Right right. Wow. 357 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 4: So clearly it's two to one for a judicial takeover 358 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 4: of the government. 359 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 2: But I will stand up for liberty. 360 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 4: Uh. 361 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 2: Is there no middle ground? Has got to be three 362 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: judge panel and not a single ya who in a 363 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: rural Tennessee. 364 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think. I think having a single unit yae 365 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 5: who in rural Tennessee is perfectly fine because that's what 366 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 5: the appellate process is sort of. That's why you appeal cases. 367 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 5: And by the way, that's why you should avoid appointing 368 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,479 Speaker 5: yahoos to the federal bench. Might mention that too. The argument, 369 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 5: the argument against nationwide injunctions always seems to boil down to, well, 370 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 5: this is a democracy and the majority should always get 371 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 5: what it wants. And the answer to that is no where. 372 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 5: What happened to all of my friends who used to say, 373 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 5: this is a republic, not a democracy. The whole point 374 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 5: of our system is that the majority has to act lawfully, 375 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 5: and if it acts unlawfully, I can go in front 376 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 5: of a judge and get that give an order from 377 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 5: that judge prohibiting the government from violating my rights. And 378 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 5: the idea that we should do this piece meal, that 379 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 5: only a judge down here, that his order only applies there. Meanwhile, 380 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 5: the government can do illegal things to everybody else in 381 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 5: the country until the case reaches the US Supreme Court 382 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 5: makes no sense at all. 383 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 4: The underlying theme here being folks, that what we really 384 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 4: need to fear is the power of the government in 385 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 4: this country. That's kind of the idea of forming it. 386 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: So there's no question that these nationwide injunctions were relatively 387 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 4: or practically completely unknown for one hundred and fifty years. 388 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 4: Then there were a handful of them, and the number 389 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 4: of them is now skyrots. 390 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 2: Every day. It seems like on my phone I see 391 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: a judge jumped in somewhere. 392 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 5: Actually, right, I actually don't think that that's true. I 393 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 5: think that what happened was we just started calling them 394 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 5: by a different name. You know, there were been injunction 395 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 5: injunctions against unconstitutional government actions since before there was a constitution. 396 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 5: One of the points that was brought up during the 397 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 5: arguments was that British judges used to do this before 398 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 5: the American Revolution, and that was considered perfectly legitimate. It's 399 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 5: just that nowadays we call the nation right injunctions or 400 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 5: we have some judges who write sloppily and don't explain 401 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 5: what they're actually saying or something. And okay, that's a problem, 402 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 5: I suppose. But the idea that you should limit the 403 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 5: injunction power of federal courts is what that is is 404 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 5: that's open door to the majority violating individual rights on 405 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 5: a scale that I mean, they already do it, but 406 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 5: you can imagine what it would be if we took 407 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 5: away one of the most important protections for individual rights 408 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 5: in this country, which is getting an injunction from our 409 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 5: federal court. To protect your freedom, and it's insane. 410 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: So I didn't want to get to this part too 411 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: fast because you're a lawyer, and this part can't be 412 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 2: fixed with the law. It seems to me that we've 413 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: got a cultural problem in that presidents are way more 414 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 2: likely than they used to be to want to challenge 415 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court, either to like legitimately they don't think 416 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: the law is correct, or they don't care if they're wrong. 417 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: They just want to get the political credit for trying. 418 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: And perhaps I don't know this, but it seems like 419 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 2: a likely response. The six hundred some federal judges out there, 420 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: there's a lot more of them who are willing to 421 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 2: let their politics get ahead of their judge reasoning and 422 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 2: jump in and stop somebody they hate. 423 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 5: Yes, you're absolutely right about that, and especially the thing 424 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 5: about the President and Congress being willing to do things 425 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 5: that they know are unconstitutional because they know that the 426 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 5: judges are going to strike it down and they can 427 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 5: blame the judges and say, oh, those evil activist judges, 428 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 5: or they can get away with their unconstitutional things. So 429 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 5: it's win when if you want to do something unconstitutional, 430 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 5: and honestly, every president's done this to some degree. Obviously, 431 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 5: Franklin Roosevelt. 432 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: Did this a lot. 433 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 5: But the one that I always six in my memory 434 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 5: is George W. Bush when he signed the McCain fine 435 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 5: Gold campaign finance law and said when he signed it 436 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 5: that he thought it was unconstitutional, but that he would 437 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 5: leave it to the courts to deal with. Well, I'm sorry, 438 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 5: but if you're the president, you take an oath to 439 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 5: support and defend the Constitution of the United States. And 440 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 5: if you ignore that oath and sign something that you 441 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 5: know was unconstitutional just because you think the courts will 442 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 5: clean up your mess for you, I think that's disgraceful. 443 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, a lot of the pieces I've read that 444 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 2: have been following the growth of this use that as 445 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: kind of like the patient zero, because he said it 446 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: out loud, and then other presidents thought, hey, I can 447 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: do that, I just won't say it out loud, and 448 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 2: Obama did it, and Biden did it, and Trump did 449 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: it in whichever order, and then Trump again, and and 450 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: it's so, how do we fix this? 451 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 5: Well, there's a long answer and the short answer. The 452 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 5: short answer is elect good presidents. The long answer is 453 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 5: that we have to restore respect for the Constitution. 454 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: In this country. 455 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 5: I think it's the long term damage that's been done 456 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 5: to Americans understanding and appreciation of the Constitution is horrifying. 457 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 5: We have prominent law professors. There was a law professor 458 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 5: at at Georgetown Law School a few years ago published 459 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 5: an article in the Washington Post saying the Constitution is obsolete. 460 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 5: I don't respect it at all. Well, you're a teacher 461 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 5: of constitutional law for crying out loud. And if we 462 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 5: don't respect the Constitution, we don't love it. It cannot 463 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 5: protect us. The Constitution is just a promise, and if 464 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 5: we don't honor that promise, then it's not worth the 465 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 5: paper it's written on. 466 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 4: We should have written a law specifically putting him in jail. 467 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 4: In my opinion, Tim Sandefer is online from the Goldwater Institute, 468 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 4: a little constitutional humor for exactly design. 469 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 2: For punish one man. 470 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 4: That's a good idea, so you know, blah blah blah. 471 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 4: Disclaimer about it's difficult to read the tea leaves of 472 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 4: the oral arguments, blah blah blah. Did it strike you 473 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 4: that the justices, the sane ones that we like, we're 474 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 4: leaning in any particular direction as to the nationwide injunctions judges, 475 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 4: et cetera that we've been discussing. 476 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 2: Some of the. 477 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 5: Judges have made clear for a long time that they're 478 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 5: against these what they call nationwide injunctions. Justice Thomas in particular. 479 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 5: Some of the others are a little harder to read. 480 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 5: Justice Barrett for example, and Justice Roberts, who have become 481 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 5: really the swing judges on this issue. I thought the 482 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 5: most interesting judge if you want, if anybody wants to 483 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 5: go and listen to the argument online, I thought Justice 484 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 5: Jackson was the one who is the most interesting. She 485 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 5: clearly understands how this area of the law works, and 486 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 5: she rightly says there's no there there that nationwide injunctions 487 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 5: are perfectly legitimate. They always have been and there's no problem. 488 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 5: So she'd be the one that I find most interesting. 489 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 5: But how to predict I think you're going to get. 490 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 5: I think Justice Roberts and Justice Barrett going to side 491 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 5: with the liberals and say, we don't have a problem 492 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 5: per se with nationwide injunctions, but maybe some of them 493 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 5: aren't very good, but as a as a blanket matter, 494 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 5: they're okay. And then they're going to want to hear 495 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 5: the underlying case about birthright citizenship, which obviously is a 496 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 5: huge deal. 497 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 2: To me. 498 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 4: Is it even worth getting into what happened on that 499 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 4: topic yesterday or do you think it's. 500 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 5: Well, they really just talked about whether or not they 501 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 5: have a legitimate case in the first place, and they 502 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 5: haven't really briefed it or argued it yet. But that's 503 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 5: important because in order to get an injunction, you kind 504 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 5: of have to first show that you have even an 505 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 5: arguable point to make, and that was what they were 506 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 5: arguing about. And I will say, I know this is 507 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 5: talk radio, and we're all supposed to think that we 508 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 5: clearly have the right answer and everything. I think the 509 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 5: birthright citizenship question is a very hard question. I don't 510 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 5: think it's an easy question on either side. 511 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 2: Let's talk about that when we come back from the break. 512 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 2: I want to hear. I want to hear the arguments 513 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 2: on both sides of that. That's interesting And clearly you've 514 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: probably seen the breakdown. Who speaks the most words? The 515 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 2: chicks talk too much? Is that given? 516 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 5: Well, jessic so to my art, does love cutting off 517 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 5: lawyers and not letting them answer her question? 518 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the chicks talk too much. I think that's been 519 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 2: and the new gal talks more than anybody. That shouldn't 520 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: happen in any organization. I'm strong and get the reality 521 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 2: is this is fabulous. I thank you. That's enough of that. 522 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: This is crazy. That's just why it is. Yeah, but 523 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 2: damn it. 524 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 6: We weren't allowed to ask about the big guys. This 525 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 6: is the United States of America. 526 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 2: God, let's not play games. 527 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 6: This is the Armstrong and Getty Show. 528 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, The Armstrong and Getty Show. 529 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 4: Discussing the oral arguments before the Supreme Court yesterday with 530 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 4: Tim Sanderfer, vice president for Legal Affairs at the Goldwater Institute. 531 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 4: It was advertised as a birthright citizenship hearing it or discussion. 532 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 4: It really was much more a discussion of individual federal 533 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 4: judges and nationwide injunctions and that sort of thing. But 534 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 4: to the question of the Fourteenth Amendment, Tim, you said 535 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 4: before the break that it's not an easy call. I'm 536 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 4: glad to hear you agree. I've thought the same thing. 537 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 4: What should we know about fourteenth Amendment even come to 538 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 4: a semi intelligent opinion on this? 539 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 5: Well, the first sentence of the fourteenth Amendment says all 540 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 5: persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject 541 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,239 Speaker 5: to the jurisdiction thereof are US citizens. And all of 542 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 5: this case, all of these arguments turn on that phrase 543 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 5: subject to the jurisdiction thereof. What does that phrase mean. 544 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 5: It's really tough because the word jurisdic is one of 545 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 5: those words that can mean all sorts of different things. 546 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 5: It basically means power, but there's all sorts of different 547 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 5: kinds of power, and so that's what the argument turns on. 548 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 5: Some people think that it means you have to follow 549 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 5: the law. If you're born here and you have to 550 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 5: follow the law, then you're subject to the jurisdiction thereof, 551 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 5: and then that means you're a citizen. But that doesn't 552 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 5: really make a lot of sense because even foreign tourists 553 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 5: who come here for a vacation have to follow the law. 554 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 5: I mean, they have to stop at the red lights 555 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 5: and they can't steal things, So that can't be what 556 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 5: that means, right. Instead, the other side argues, jurisdiction thereof 557 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 5: means some kind of loyalty or allegiance, that there's citizenship jurisdiction, 558 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 5: as opposed to follow the law jurisdiction, and that different. 559 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 5: You can see that difference For example, in this if 560 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 5: you're a foreign spy and you sneak into the country 561 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 5: and you spy for some foreign country and you get arrested, 562 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 5: you can be prosecuted for espionage, but you cannot be 563 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 5: prosecuted for treason. Why because you're not a US citizen 564 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 5: and you don't owe loyalty to the US, so you 565 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 5: cannot commit treason against the US. And so there's two 566 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 5: different kinds of jurisdiction, is the argument. And so those 567 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 5: who are against birthright citizenships say, subject of the jurisdiction 568 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 5: thereof means that your parents owed loyalty to the United 569 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 5: States as opposed to some foreign country. And that would 570 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 5: mean that illegal aliens, if they have a child here, 571 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 5: that child is not assistant in the United States. Now, 572 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 5: that's also there's a problem with that. There's a couple 573 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 5: problems that. One of the problems of that argument is 574 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 5: that nobody has ever said that that's what it means. 575 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,239 Speaker 5: In the one hundred and fifty years since this has 576 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 5: been in the Constitution, everybody has active like if you're 577 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 5: born here, you're a citizen all of that time. And 578 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 5: so suddenly discovering that, what turns out that we've been 579 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 5: misreading the Constitution for one hundred and fifty years. Would 580 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 5: be a huge, enormously radical transformation and how our system works. 581 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 5: That would cause tremendous disruption nationwide, and that would be 582 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 5: a real problem. But all of this, the real problem 583 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 5: here in answering this question is that when the Amendment 584 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 5: was adopted, there were no such things as the illegal 585 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 5: aliens because there were no laws against immigration. And that 586 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 5: means if you're an originalist and you think the competition 587 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 5: should be understood the way it was originally intended, the 588 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 5: framers didn't ever think about this because it wasn't against 589 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 5: the law back then, So we don't know what they 590 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 5: would have thought about this. 591 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 4: Question, right right, Well, at the point that this enormously radical, 592 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 4: disruptive president has overturned, that's when you tag me and 593 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 4: Tim and I come in and explain to the good 594 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 4: folks that look, the nature of global transportation, the movement 595 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 4: of people or peoples from one place to another has 596 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 4: changed so vastly. 597 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: Joe's a living Constitution guy. You can hear it coming. 598 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 4: Out of what No, don't you dare no that the 599 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 4: very nature of comings and goings from countries has been 600 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 4: so radically transformed a Chinese national with not the slightest 601 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 4: notion of making life in the United States can depart China, 602 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 4: arrive here, give birth, go back to China, all in 603 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 4: the span of seventy two hours. I'm inducing labor in 604 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 4: this case probably or getting very lucky, and that child 605 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 4: had citizenship. That's an eventuality unimaginable back in the day, 606 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 4: is the case? 607 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 5: I think so, And that's sort of true. But on 608 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 5: the other hand, the Chinese question came up back then 609 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 5: because there were so many Chinese in California in the 610 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 5: eighteen sixties. And Senator's rast, well, isn't this going to 611 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 5: make the children of the Chinese immigrants who back then 612 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 5: did not intend to stay in the United States. They 613 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 5: intended to go back to China. The senator's rast, does 614 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 5: this make their kids us? Senator US citizens? And the 615 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 5: Senator from California said yes, and then he was immediately 616 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 5: thrown out of office. So what does that mean? Nobody 617 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 5: knows what that. 618 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 4: Means a single case from eighteen ninety eight, or is 619 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 4: there more precedent? 620 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 5: Really there really isn't. There's really just a handful of 621 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 5: presidents and no Supreme Court case has ever said that 622 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 5: birthright citizenship is in the in the Constitution. There have 623 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 5: been some that have kind of mentioned it or kind 624 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 5: of assumed it, but none has said so outright. 625 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 2: I am surprised. The polling shows that only about a 626 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 2: third of Americans want to do away with the way 627 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: we do it now. I'm surprised by that. I do 628 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: want to get to this. This is a journalistic question, 629 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: but I think it has an effect on people's respect 630 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 2: for the law. It has come up recently. It has 631 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: become a pattern that anytime the media mentions a judge, 632 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: they mentioned what president appointed them. Do you think that's 633 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: a good idea or not? They didn't just barely got 634 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: a minute. 635 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 5: I think I think it's fine. I think people should 636 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 5: know where these For instance, I think it would help 637 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 5: a lot of judges. You know a lot of Republican 638 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 5: appointed judges have been ruling against the Trump administration, and 639 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 5: I think it would be helpful for people to know 640 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 5: that these questions are not things where it's all partisan. 641 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 5: The law is not just partisan politics. It's something much 642 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 5: more profound and much more important. 643 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I agree, but it implies that judges I 644 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 2: don't know. 645 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 5: True. I used to think. 646 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: I didn't used to think about it ever. If a 647 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: judge ruled, I just thought't want that's interesting now it's 648 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: all who appointed him? Oh, of course he. 649 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 5: Said that that is true. That is a risk. But 650 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 5: I think we should air on the side of informing 651 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 5: people as opposed to keeping people in the dark. 652 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 2: So that's always true. Tim Sander for the Goldwater Institute 653 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 2: on the line, Tim, final question, I've called for a monarchy. 654 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 2: You in favor of it? Yes or no? 655 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 5: No, I'm against him monarchy. I'm for the constitution. 656 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 2: Joe. One more question. As a published poet, I was 657 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: thinking about this yesterday he won the Nobel Prize. Bob 658 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: Dylan good poet or not lousy poet? 659 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 5: Now read Robert Hayden or Richard Wilbur instead. 660 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 4: How about Ringo Star Octopus's Garden creative Tam. It's always 661 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 4: great and enlightening. Thanks Millian for the time. Let's talk 662 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 4: again soon. 663 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 6: Thanks guys. 664 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: All right, I was actually thinking about this listening to 665 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 2: Dylan lyrics. Why do they stick in everybody's head so much? 666 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: Why do people keep going back to them? If it's 667 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 2: just gobbledegook, like a lot of real poets claim. 668 00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 6: It can't be. 669 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 2: It wouldn't lodge. It wouldn't it wouldn't make the market made, 670 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 2: would it all? Right? 671 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 4: He was famously moody about his career and his music 672 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 4: in his Life's Philosophy. I think some of his stuff 673 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 4: is absolutely brilliant, and I think some of it's gobbledegook. 674 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 2: Huh. Maybe maybe more on that another day, or maybe not. 675 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 2: We got plenty of stuff to tell you. I hope 676 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 2: you can stick around if you missus. Segmann. I thought 677 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 2: that tim thing was really really good, and you want 678 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 2: to listen to it again and get the podcast Armstrong 679 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 2: and Getty on demand. 680 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 4: Armstrong, arms Strong and Getdy on demand. 681 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: We're not boring. A lot of news is boring and 682 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 2: tedious and depressing. It makes you angry. 683 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 4: You don't want to live your life like that Armstrong 684 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 4: and Getty show.