WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 214 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:03.080 Also media. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.720 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.440 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.680 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.480 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.040 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.000 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you. But 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:30.880 you can make your own decisions. This is poetry. You 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:35.640 don't edit poetry, well, you do edit poetry. Poetry. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:42.800 Stop talking. Welcome, welcomed, It could happen here. Twenty twenty 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.879 five Q and A edition. We have the whole team here, 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:50.360 Mia Garrison, James, Robert Evans, I'm your producer, Sophie Lichterman. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.760 We're gonna answer some of your questions. How's everybody feeling. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:58.960 Great, trepidacious, amazing, bad? I just got back from vacation, 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.560 so anything's going to be a that's not me continuing 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:03.200 to not look at my phone or computer. 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.760 Great, Yeah, you should stop looking at the phone. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:06.440 You guys. 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.640 Are you guys aware what this Trump dude's doing? Jesus Christ, 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.280 very very yeah. 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:15.560 I went to the WJA holiday party this weekend and 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.600 the amount of like twenty seventeen Trump jokes I had 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:18.920 to hear. 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.720 Oh no, yeah, that's a crime against humanity. God. 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.440 I love I love that party. I love that party. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.800 I'm going to a holiday party tonight with some friends 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.720 who do insurance for people who live in the US 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.240 and go to Mexico, so I'm sure I will get 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.160 lots of fun and exciting anecdotes. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:41.000 Yeah, I am throwing a holiday party and planning it 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.280 with a four year old, which is exciting. It's gonna 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:44.560 be good. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:49.160 One of my favorite experiences as us having our job 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.120 is at almost every partday I go to somebody's like, 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.160 so those the news. 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.360 Yeah, people just tt to just summarize the fucking news. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.840 Yeah, no, good, listen to executive disorder. No. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.760 I had to explain seven to six four to a 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.520 screenwriter yesterday and they were not happy. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.239 Anyone who goes to a party that I am at 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.600 knows that there's a gun on the table. If anyone 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.720 asks me how the news is, that's that's. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.079 Just It's always sprays that way. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.000 Who's the fuck out? 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:21.359 Yeah? 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.000 Yeah, what's going on over the Aaron Burma, Let's let's 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:26.600 let's answer some questions. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.720 All right, so we posted on Blue Sky, we posted 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:33.960 on Instagram, and we have some of your questions. Let's 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.880 start out with a with a fun one. Can we 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:41.560 have a fun, non incriminating story from your youth? Any 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:43.240 in all of you? 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:47.160 No fun, not incriminating story, but you, I mean for Robert, 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.440 this is, and James and maybe me. Statute of limitations 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.360 for all of you should be fine. Yeah, Garrison, I 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.040 cannot answer this at all. I have a lot of 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.200 interesting stories, but I've tried to think of something from 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:00.640 my youth that I could actually share. 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.679 I can do one that I think non incriminating. I'm 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.040 sad about having been part of it, but that's okay. 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:09.960 I was gored by a bull when I was younger. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.240 Story. I feel like if we put money on it, 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.280 like two of us would have better. Ball was involved. 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:22.840 I've actually been present at several gorings. Various species probably 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.480 have most of the gorings, and it's available for human 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.960 being to witness, because I've seen like a water buffalo goring. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:31.880 Oh nice, that's gotta be like the top goring. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.720 Yeah, that was a really unpleasant day for everyone involved. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.640 A guy lost the use of his of his legs 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.280 for a period. Actually recovered it later, which is nice, so. 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.800 You can laugh about it, Yeah, fun laugh about it. Yeah, 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.320 well it's a funny. It's a funny story because it's fun. 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.720 First of all, you shouldn't be unkind to animals, so 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:51.040 I did deserve it, right. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:51.560 Yeah. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.760 I don't think you should torn animals for human pleasure. 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.880 I don't think you should make them suffer, and if 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.000 you do, it's kind of your fault. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.160 So in that sense, it's funny. I don't know that 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.520 i'd ever heard of a goring where I wasn't like, well, 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:05.920 the animal was in the right. 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.520 Clear I'm on the bull team with this. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.600 The funny part was that my friend who was staying 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.960 with me, had previously not driven a manual vehicle. I 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.480 had broken probably the bulk of my ribs right, like 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.320 a lot of rib breaking, and we drove home like that, 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.120 learning to use a clutch on the way, and that 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.840 was one of the most painful experiences I think that's 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:29.560 available to a human being. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.120 Is it bad that the story that popped into my 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.320 head was when I ripped my pants in front of 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:38.200 the entire eighth grade class at our school picnic because 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.840 I was wearing way too skinny of jeans playing basketball 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.640 and my pants ripped and I was wearing PMI red 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:50.240 onties and pants ripped, so like my entire butt. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.160 No, that's got to leave some scars. 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:56.479 Yeah, that for me as a person that I feel 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.240 like you just fucked the Yeah. But that was my fun, 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.520 non incriminated story from you less the time. It's very 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:08.040 from the entire eighth class that are like graduation picnic. 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:09.480 Yeah. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.839 I love that you would like skinny jeans Icarus, Like 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:12.640 that's something. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:18.240 That why why the. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:19.360 Way things were back then? 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.800 And I know, I know, Robert, you have to have 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:22.480 a fun one. 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.920 I do, I do. What's the statute limitations on murder? Uh? No, 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:28.960 very couple of weeks. 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:30.640 You're fine, buddy, You're fine. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.840 Now, I'll tell I'll tell a pants splitting story too. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.279 I got a really good one, Sovie. So I'm in 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.039 I'm in rural northern India in this town called Rishikesh, 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:40.960 which is where like it's where like the Beatles had 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.160 their ashrom It's like a holy city. There's a lot 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.920 of yoga there. You're up in like the Himalayan foothills. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.320 It's beautiful. The Goan Jesus is actually like clean enough 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.479 to swim in up there, but it's also crazy whitewater rapids. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.920 And we're going like whitewater rafting one day and I 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:56.920 grab I buy a pair of like pants that are 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.839 like it's like it's like a long set of like 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.840 athletic you know, tights or whatever like that to have 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.120 on the boat because like, okay, that'll that'll make sense. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:06.920 They zip so I can keep you know, some cash 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.680 or whatever in them. And we're going down the Ganjis. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:12.279 We're doing this white water raft and we hit a 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.479 calm spot and the guy's like, okay, everybody wants to 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.360 get in the water, hop out, and I hop out, 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:21.480 And immediately two things become clear. Number One, the quality 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.480 of textiles that you purchase in a market in India 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.920 not necessarily up to the standards of a lot of 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.560 other countries. Number Two, the Ganji's mighty river. So my 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:35.240 pants immediately are gone, like just instantly, as soon as 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.480 they're in the water, torn off by the Ganjies. And 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.640 then I am so I am realizing this that now 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.080 I am naked from the waist down. We are surrounded 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.839 on both sides by a very holy city and we 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.800 are heading towards the rocks, so I have to get 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.599 back in the boat in fairly short order. This presents 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:57.320 a problem because again, as we're getting like buffalo buffeted around, 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.839 I have to get like help pulled up into the boat. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.680 Absolutely everything moving on the entire side of. 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.520 This secret city. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.880 So now I'm in the boat naked from the waist down. 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.440 But I come up with a plan. I did I 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.160 do solve it. I take my shirt off and I 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.280 put my legs through the armholes and neck hole and 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:23.880 I'm just my pants my shirt is what a sight? 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:24.880 We went to lunch. 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:33.080 That way's still a restaurant there where they won't let Robert. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.240 Still, James, there's more than one restaurant in the I 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:36.920 can't go back. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:40.920 Yeah, there's a hotel in Bangkok that neither of us 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:41.600 can go back to. 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.440 But no, they handled you puking in the parking lot 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:46.160 like a trooper. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.840 Yeah, because I puked directly into my analogy, like considering. 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.280 Exactly like a hero, like a hero, James. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:56.640 And then send a picture to Sophie. Yeah, yeah, that 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:58.680 was before I worked here. I sent a picture to 0:07:58.720 --> 0:07:59.760 Sophie of analogy for. 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:03.480 The and I was like, let's hire that guy. 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.160 Yeah. I feel like it was thirty seconds into our 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:08.600 relationship that I told Sophia a story about meat puking, 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:09.840 So it's fine. 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.560 It was like fifteen seconds. Yeah, yeah, it might have 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.720 been fifteen anyways, Robert, can we get an update to 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:17.160 the sequel of After the Revolution? 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.680 It's done, I'm editing it. I even got edits back 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:22.760 from my editor. I'm editing it. It should have been 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.640 done so much faster. I could like bring up the 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.640 fact that my dad died last year, but that's really 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:29.600 just me trying to make you feel sorry for me, 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:31.800 and the fact that I am well past the time 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.320 at which I expected to have this book done. But 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.160 it is done and I'm finishing it and you will 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:38.920 get to read it soon. I'm sorry. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:40.800 Good for you, Good for you, Robert. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:46.240 Wow, incredible. Do you plan to cover recent political developments 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.000 in Canada? I feel like that's a gair question. 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.160 Yeah, the answer is always yes. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.080 The answer is yes to all of like, yes, we 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:53.200 will be covering Canada. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:54.520 I mean, especially Alberta. 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:58.240 I've been wanting to do stuff on Alberta and the 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.520 Conservative Party. There few of the key figures for a 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.440 while I've you know, we've all been busy, but yes, 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.440 I should eventually do a dedicated thing I get like 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:11.160 and I do occasionally, right, usually usually once or twice 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:11.600 a year, I. 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.400 Try to get some Canada related things out. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.480 Talked about Canada, Gary and I I feel like did something. 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:17.400 Yeah, i'd like. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.000 The Canadian election happened this year, right, Supreme leader carneis 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.080 it is still still in power and will be for 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.360 a while. But yeah, specifically the Alberta Conservative Party is 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.760 rife with potential stories. 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.640 My recent political development in Canada that I would like 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.160 to talk about is what's his name? Dating Katy Perry? 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.480 Oh god, because it makes me upset. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.559 Wait, who, that's not our problem anymore. 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:46.520 That's one famous Canadian person is It's justin It's just famous. 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.839 Jesus not Beiver Trudeau. 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.480 Okay, still bad, still weird. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.319 Tudeau and Katy Perry are dating, a match made in Heaven. 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:01.119 Their Instagram official and the photos upsetting. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.480 I do feel like this is the potential we have 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.400 a potential for, like the one ring of couples Halloween 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.600 costumes situation to happen here, and I'm excited for that. 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.960 But no, I'm living pretty close to Canada now, so 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:14.760 I would like to travel up and do more Canadian 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:15.720 stuff in the next year. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.679 Yeah, you love Canada, Garrison, great idea. 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:18.520 Yeah. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.439 Yeah. As a general rule, people, if you're ever asking, hey, 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.559 this major thing is happening in another country, are you 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.920 guys going to cover it? The answer is probably yes. 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:27.840 But there are how many people are on this call? 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.760 Five people, and there are I believe ten countries in 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:32.880 the world at least. 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.079 So many A saying more, Well, everyone's in a while, 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:36.720 this is a civil war, and one of those splits 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.400 into two, so I think there's actually eleven countries right now. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.160 Is somewhere between five and eleven countries. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.920 Yeah, Well, ironically, when there is a civil war, there's 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:45.760 a decent chance. 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.960 So I'll be traveling there and the next twelve months. 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.440 We have a pretty broad remit here, and I do 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.000 think we cover a lot of ground. But again, you know, 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.840 there's there's only so many people on the team, and 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.960 we have so many days in the week. So the 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.439 answer is generally, if we think we can and have 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.720 more to tell you than like here's an article I read, 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:06.800 we'll try to do it. But yeah, you know, world 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.040 big us small, Yeah. 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.959 Yeah, and there are other people who do excellent work 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.240 on lost of things, so like, you know, we don't 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:14.960 have to cover everything. 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.800 God, I missed the trucker convoy. That was fun. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:22.479 That was ago about that? What about Roma Diadlou. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.600 She's still kicking around Canada, Queen of Canada. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.800 She got arrested recently. I don't know if she's out 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.360 on bail or whatever they call it and poutine bail 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.560 or whatever in Canada, but they kind of arrest her 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:38.920 rob it because she's the queen. Anyways, notes about that. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.440 Yeah, what's a fiction book that y'all have been reading lately? 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:43.680 Ooh? 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.120 My answer is I work too much. I haven't read 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:48.520 any good fiction book lately. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.199 I've been reading a sci fi book called Children of Time. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:53.160 Oh good. 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.640 Oh, Adrian Tracossi, great guy. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:12:00.360 Yes, I just read Winter in Madrid because even when 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.240 I'm reading fiction books, it still has to be about 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:03.160 a Spanish civil war. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:08.000 Yeah, so funny that makes sense for you, James, load 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:12.680 bearing element of my personality. I'm restarting Sirens of Titan 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.199 for the first time since I was a little kid, 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.960 which is Kurt Vonnegut's sci fi novel, and like everything 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.600 Kurt Vonnegut wrote one of the best to ever do it, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.680 and then you know, I was on vacation, so I 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.120 was just rereading some Warhammer books to not think about 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.040 the news when I needed to look at a device. 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:33.520 Yeah, I'm gonna try to take a little time off 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.000 around the holiday. So if people have good fiction books 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.000 to recommend me, message me on Blue Sky. 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.880 I've been listening to Oh God, like the entire Kate 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.199 Daniels series, which is a very fun sort of urban 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.800 fantasy series where they have a magic apocalypse where sometimes 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.199 there's these magic waves and magic works and technology stops working, 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.360 but then they just flip randomly and so technology works 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:56.640 in magic. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:58.920 Yeah, that's basically the plot line to Shatter On. Yeah. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:03.280 Yeah, it's it's fun. I got absolutely flash being jump 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.000 scared by one of the characters and one of the 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.880 spinoffs doing a full analysis of the whole translation debacle 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.920 of the Old World is dying, the New World struggles 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:13.880 to be born. Now is a time of monsters, which 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.480 I was not expecting the author of this fantasy book 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:21.760 to know about. So it's a fun time. Yeah, there's 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.440 where lions, there's where hyaenas. It's good we'd like to 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:26.240 see it cool. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.680 Well, we're going to take a quick break and we'll 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:43.360 come back and continue answering some questions. We're back, so 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.400 on that note, there's a broader question and it's a 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.760 favorite media from twenty twenty five can be books, shows, movies, games, 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:51.199 et cetera. 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.480 I mean, and Or's gonna be up there for me. 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.720 Indoor season two is definitely going to be high to be. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.560 I really enjoyed that that new show, The Pit, the 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:03.200 medical show. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:04.280 Oh yeah, I've heard good things. 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:05.400 Yeah you would like that. 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:06.679 I liked it. 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.240 It made me dizzy. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:09.320 But I liked it. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.400 It was interesting. I mean, we'll see how it does 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.640 it in season two. But the first season I was like, huh. 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.080 I finally started watching that smiling Friends show. And that's fun. 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.240 Oh cool for for TV shows for me. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.600 Besides like and Orch's which is good, I think Rehearsal 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.880 season two and the Paramount Nazi. 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:32.800 Episode season two. Yeah, it's more and more after phenomenal. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.440 As well as Tim Robinson's new show Chair Company, which 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.960 I gets to the American conspiracy mindset better than almost 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.600 anything I've seen. No parts of that are like rival 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.800 that can film. Yeah, I still think. I still think 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.360 Eddington is pretty good. It doesn't have as much like 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.160 a depth or humanity as like one battle after another, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.280 which I quite enjoyed. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.520 I liked that a lot too. I watched the first 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.760 two episodes of Chair Company and then was like, I 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.680 need to wait until they are all out so I 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:02.080 can derange myself and like stay up until dawn watch. Oh, 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.600 so that's that's the way I need to encounter this. 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:06.280 But I'm excited for that. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.080 I finished care Company now and it consistently keeps hitting. Yeah. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.000 I don't think Tim Robinson is capable of not pleasing 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:14.840 me at this point. 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.840 That's good. That's a healthy relationship. 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:19.440 Yeah. 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.800 I liked on on Netflix's Adolescence that that mini series 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.480 that was pretty good. That the acting is incredible. There's 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.080 just so many things this year that we're pretty decent. 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:31.360 TV has been good. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:32.360 TV's been good. 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:33.480 TV has been good. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:35.160 Yeah. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.800 I haven't watched shit. I've just watched I've watched and 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:42.080 Or and nothing else. So, uh, Hades too great game, 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:46.040 very fun. Yeah, det the cronos, et cetera, et cetera. Also, 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:47.680 I want to talk about One of the Boys, which 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.680 is a book from the beginning of this year. We 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.560 talked about on the show that's a really really interesting 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:54.920 basically like sort of like a coming of age story 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:56.720 about a trans girl who's trying to go who goes 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.720 back to her football team, and there's a lot of 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.640 really interesting stuff there about the relationship between transfemininity and masculinity, 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:07.760 and you know, the sort of politics of sports. And 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.680 it's also just really fun. Has the best written group 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.120 chats I've ever seen in any piece of media. So 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.600 ship Rocks. Yeah, it's it's great. One of the boys, 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:21.160 Victoria Zeller, It's it's fun. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.520 I also watched Paradise. The ostensible focus on the show 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.520 is that like a secret service agent goes to live 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.960 with a president who is retired after like you know 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.680 how the detail that they stay with and it becomes 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.800 clear over the course of episode one this isn't really 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:39.720 a spoiler, that the president is living in an underground 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.280 bunker with all of the other survivors of a catastrophe 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.360 that ended the world. And so it's like all of 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.560 the leadership cadre of the United States living underground in 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.240 a bunker after the world has ended. And then it 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.360 turns into a murder mystery it's pretty good. It's fun nice. 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.360 I don't watch much TV, yeah, but I have been 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.760 enjoying sticking to the theme, I guess yes. AK Press 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:05.000 have a translation now of two books that I very 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:10.320 much enjoyed reading in other languages. One is called Zadagosa Bound, 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.920 which is exclusively about the Diruti Column. I think it's 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.280 probably the best book I've read on the Doruti Column 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.440 and Sons of Night by Antoine Juminez, who was actually 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.840 that was not his birth name, but he was an 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:26.199 Italian anarchist who fought with the International Group of the 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:26.960 Druti Column. 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:27.960 And it's his diary. 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.119 And then he later like in later life, was a 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:35.560 groundskeeper at like the Libertarian People's Club in Marseille, and 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.600 after his passing, the young people at the club found 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.440 his diaries, published him and then have these like incredible 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.639 series of annotations, Like two thirty of the book is 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:44.440 its annotations. 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:46.199 But it's really well done. So I like that one. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.080 Look, I think I can answer this next one, given 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.520 how we see media companies from Disney to Conde and 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:55.359 ask purge or otherwise censor anyone is centing against Trump. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.199 Do you fear iHeartRadio doing something to cool zone. My 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:03.760 answer is they've never uh, they've never censored us in 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.440 the in the past, so I don't see it happening 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:07.719 in the future, but you never know. 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.479 Yeah, I mean, anything can happen. It's media. I'm on 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.240 my third or fourth industry depending on how you count it, 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:18.120 within the digital media space. But like what I'll tell 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.399 you right now is that at the moment, and this 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.800 has been true for almost a decade, we make them 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:26.680 money and they in return say, keep doing what you're doing, 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.280 kid kiddos, buccaroos. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:28.840 Yeah. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.240 So yeah, that's about as good as it ever gets 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.720 in media, in journalism. So you know, let's keep our 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:35.359 fingers crossed. 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:39.040 Yep. What was a piece or series cools one media 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.520 put together in the past year twenty twenty five that 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.320 you were most proud or happy to be part of? 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:45.880 What about you, gare? 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.840 Probably The piece that I'm most proud of in like 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:55.000 a reflective sense is the dog Whistle Politics episode I did. 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.720 I still think that's really relevant and a useful addition 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.399 to like our cultural dialogue around understanding dog whistles coming 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:03.480 out of the Trump administration. 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:06.000 And like even still now I. 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:12.600 Will see see posts with people decoding false messages in 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:17.879 overtly like nationalistic communications from the DHS again. And then 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.560 this whole focus on like dog whistles versus the actual 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.080 implementation of their policy, which they're already doing. A few 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.560 times this year, DHS is posted just very very blatant, 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.120 like fast wave stuff. They posted a moon Man meme 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:34.560 earlier this year, right, And if if you told years 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.200 ago we would have like I don't know, I don't 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:37.800 know what we would have. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.040 I would have had I would have fifty one fifty 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.560 to your Yeah, yeah, I would have put your ass 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:43.760 on a seventy two hour hold. 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.359 So, like there's obvious stuff like that, like yeah, no, 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:51.359 they're they're clearly clearly doing like intentional nods towards like 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:55.640 online fascist memes. And then they are also just posting regular, 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.360 regular sentiments of like nationalist policy that people are then 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.600 reading in coded statements too. And I don't think that 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.240 whole practice is super useful when they're actually implementing this stuff. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.840 And I think the sort of like anti ice protests 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.240 you see in Chicago and like in New York on 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.199 Connall Street, it's a way more useful way to channel 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:18.480 frustration at the administration and like a frustration around like 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.840 this nationalist immigration stuff rather than trying to you know, 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:26.120 look for these maybe real, maybe not coded messages on 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:27.639 X the Everything app. 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:32.320 Yeah, I'm proud of the Zizzian episodes that I did 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.680 earlier this year. I think those are my best episodes 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.040 of the year. You know, I'm particularly this year have 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:41.240 done a lot more back end supporting work. But I'm 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:45.040 continue to be extremely proud of how Ed Zitron's both 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.280 show and influence in the industry that he covers has grown, 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.240 especially as he's been really on the ball ahead of 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:57.040 some of the breaking of open ais irrational Exuberants. Been 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:00.640 really happy to play a small role in that. It's 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:04.600 just really satisfying to like stumble onto somebody and be like, oh, 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.560 I think this person has some good things to say. 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:09.480 I'm going to try to get that out to more people, 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.080 and then really feel like, yeah, that was that was 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.240 the right call. Turns out this was exactly the voice 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.199 that needed to be louder in this space. That just 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.280 feels good. It's it's the kind of it's the kind 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.480 of good feeling that you only really get in this business, 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.400 and it really makes up for all of the bad 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.360 feelings that you also only get in this business. 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:32.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I have two things. One, 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.560 on sort of just a personal level, I'm really proud 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.679 of the episode that I did that was sort of 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:41.880 about Elon Musks Nazi salute, but was mostly about the 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.240 way that all of our reality has been consumed by 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:48.440 spectacle and the way that we relate to each other 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.000 through you know, through screens and through like images of 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:53.679 media in a very you know, so this was this 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.840 was a very guide to board sietyse medical episode. But 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.639 I'm really proud of how that episode played out and 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.120 how I think in a lot of ways it kind 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:05.160 of it kind of predicted some of what's been happening 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:07.520 in terms of, you know, if you look at the 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.600 sort of decrease and use of social media over the 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:14.800 last sort of year and the turnaway from these these 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:18.440 these social relationships that are purely mediated by images that 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.320 suck and make you miserable all the time. And then 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:23.359 the other thing that I'm really proud of is some 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:28.439 coverage we did about the Republicans attempt in one of 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:32.320 the one of the previous budget fights to impose a 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:36.040 role that would have blocked medicaid from covering trans Healthcare 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.400 and we covered it and we helped blow it up 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:43.879 and we help get that killed, and that rocks. I 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.320 don't know, it's awesome. I'm really proud of it. I'm 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:49.440 also really proud of the trans News Network people. Yeah, 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:52.760 particularly Medicast again and Miror Levigne who did a really 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.840 great job covering that and helping stop it. 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:56.840 And it rocks. 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:57.800 Love to see it. 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.880 I think for me, like still border stuff. 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:03.360 Really it made me really happy that like last year 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:05.880 I went to the jungle and made a podcast and 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:08.400 now one of the people I met has a place 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.320 to live. That's really cool, and like it really makes 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:14.119 me happy. Like not just when we can like shift 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:18.080 the discourse, I think that's cool, but also when people 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:20.600 listen to that and then change the things that they 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.159 do like every day or sometimes like that's always what 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.000 you want. What I want as a journalist is like 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.879 for people to listen and care g That's why I 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:32.720 go to places, and so it's been really cool to 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.919 see people and just to run into people engaging in 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:38.040 like mutual aid at the boarder and and then like 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:41.840 them slowly realize that and the person that they listened 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:43.880 to on a podcast a year ago or two years ago, 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:46.480 whatever is kind of funny. But yet I think I'm 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.119 really proud of that, and I'm proud of all the 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.560 people in the second series for all the stuff that 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:53.600 they've done. 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.359 I'm super proud of the anti vaxxs America series that 0:23:56.640 --> 0:24:00.280 I commissioned Stephen to do. I think it was a 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:03.679 really good, complete project that covered the story in depth 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:06.400 more than anyone else. So if you haven't checked that out, 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:07.760 check it out. 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:09.240 We're gonna go to. 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:11.720 Another quick break and then we'll answer a couple more questions. 0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:26.000 Sound good, cool, Yep, we're back all right. 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:31.080 This question says, as we become jokrified. 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:33.840 Sure, as we all become jokerified. 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:37.400 Eventually, what did it for each of you? I mean, 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:40.359 let's just say, let's let's just answer in like the 0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:41.359 last year. 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:47.360 Sure not not overall a recent jokrification inciting incident. 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:49.920 I can answer that, And that might also be care 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:54.080 since it's one we couldn't get into the DNC for 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:55.560 comb layers to speech. 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:57.960 Oh no, that hurt me. 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:01.639 That hurt me so much because the DNC was so depressing. 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:03.080 It was so. 0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:06.200 Depressing, and the DNC was way worse than the RNC. 0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:09.960 Post DNC certainly was a jokerrifying moment for me. 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.040 It hurts Garrison. I had people reaching out to me 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.920 in Portland who were worried about you after the DNC. 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:16.680 Yeah. 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:19.639 No, the DNC was a jokerifying moment. I guess to 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:22.119 piggyback off that though in terms of like a recent 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:27.680 joker moment working on the like Democrat left wing conspiracy 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:28.919 stuff really did. 0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:29.520 A number on me. 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:33.520 Yeah, and just like like seeing the scale of that stuff, 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:37.280 especially around like the Charlie Kirk assassination, and just that 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:41.280 that that whole moment definitely was like just drilling into 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:41.680 my head. 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:46.080 Yeah, those uh like truth tunnels that people went, the. 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:48.320 Whole team could attest to this. I was getting pretty 0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:48.920 out there. 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:54.040 Because can't get back to Garrison sustain damage. The uniformity 0:25:54.280 --> 0:26:00.000 of the embrace of counter factuals is like, like, I 0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:02.240 I don't even know what to do about it anymore. 0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:07.600 I don't feel like fact checking works. Yeah, I feel 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:12.000 like positing alternate facts feels bad too, because then you're 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:13.760 just like saying, well, I guess we're just openly having 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:15.480 a life fight. Let's all have a big life fight. 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:16.239 Let's see who's live. 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:18.679 Yeah, no, and when you're when you're trying to be 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:21.840 the only one holding on to like the life raft 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:25.080 of truth as everyone as everyone else is like drowning 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:26.040 and like mad at you. 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:29.280 Yeah, it's like I, yeah, I don't know. You don't 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:30.280 know how to handle that. 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:31.160 Yeah. 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.800 Yeah. Whenever I encounter someone who's like, you think Trump 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:39.040 got shot in the ear, like, yes, yes, I do, Yes, 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:41.440 in fact, I do think he got shot in the ear. 0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:45.640 Yeah. And also can we not like it's a year ago, 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:47.040 like we're here now. 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:49.679 That one is so comprehensively disappointed to me because one 0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:51.720 of the little things it reveals is that there's even 0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.560 among progressives in the left, this belief that, like someone 0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:58.600 can't be injured by a gun and handle it reasonably 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:02.520 well and not be a good person. Right, right, he 0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:05.639 has faked the fact that he didn't like and piss himself. 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:07.959 It has to be fake. It's like, no, he just 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:11.840 like didn't freak out or whatever. On a huge line 0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:14.360 shows a huge adrinal. Have you ever been shot at? 0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.600 It's like when you get when you realize you didn't 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:17.760 get hit, it feels awesome. 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.040 Yeah, you're living, You are surfing a cloud for a 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:22.640 while there, so you're not anymore. 0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.720 I think the insights I got from this like left 0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:29.960 wing conspiracism, like like seizure, right, this is like the 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.720 seizure of the left embracing desks. I got one of 0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:34.640 the biggest points of clarity I was on, Like what's 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:39.560 happening right now? Is this like tactical flattening of especially 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:41.320 after the Charlie Kirk stuff as well, Like with the 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:46.680 right wing embracing this like cultural cancelation strategy of trying 0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.280 to get people fired for saying things online, which they've 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.480 tried to do before but was done way more successfully 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.440 that month, and like directed by the administration, and then 0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:59.720 the left embracing a style of conspiratorial thinking that previously 0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:03.200 was was really only embraced as fully on the right. 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:05.879 So like this, this this flattening of tactics across the 0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:07.439 left and the right, I think has been a useful 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:08.800 way to look at our current situation. 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.400 For me, Yeah, the ice guided missiles. 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:17.560 Yeah, man, that fully fucking sent me like, as someone 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:19.880 who's been a journalist for a while, just seeing these 0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:22.400 outlets that you were previously kind of like the first 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.080 time I had a byline in mother Jones. I was pumped. Yeah, 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.199 and then here they are just being like love to 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.680 know more about these missiles we have that? Man, do 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.040 you look at it? I literally did that while I 0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:35.199 was like waiting for coffee or having a shit or 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.960 something like. It took me that much time on my 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:39.760 telephone to find that contract. 0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:41.920 Like what is wrong with people? 0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:42.600 Again? 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:46.720 It's all just fucking shibboleths and virtue signaling boat like that. 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.360 Why would that be worse if I said guided missiles? 0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:50.920 Do you know how guided missiles work? Do you know 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:52.920 the kind of tail that's required to make them function? 0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:56.360 Do you know the kind of like mechanical like experts 0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:57.680 that you have to have in order to like keep 0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:00.320 these things working and keep them usable? Why would ice 0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.120 be more dangerous with these? It's just going to distract 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:05.160 them from doing the thing they're already use it doing 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.280 to hurt people, Like guided missiles do not do any 0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:10.520 It would be just like extra trash for them to 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:11.280 carry around. 0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:13.800 Yeah, and they'd be as bad at using them as 0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:14.840 there and everything else. 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.800 And to be quite frank, the government is already using 0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:21.320 guided missions to do war crimes via the military. 0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:23.720 Yep, yeah, yeah, people who. 0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:24.720 Know how to use them. 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:30.760 The other thing that really just wow. Every single time 0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:32.880 that there's a mass shooting event, which is often in 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.280 this country, the fact that they had to transvestigate the 0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:40.320 person every single time, Oh yeah, holy unnecessary annoying. It 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:47.840 makes me very angry. Yeah, very angry. Fuck med and just. 0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:48.840 I don't know. 0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:52.560 Recently, there was a wide piece about like in Range 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:56.000 TV Calcaside who's had on before and the matches, the 0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:57.480 matches he hosts, and like. 0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:58.360 The brutality matches. 0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:00.840 Yet probably thirty percent of the piece was reflecting on 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:03.840 the killing of Charlie Kirk and like, nobody who goes 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.920 to calls matches has been accused of shooting Charlie kok. 0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:09.080 No again, and the guy who shot Charlie Kirk didn't 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:13.000 shoot him because he trained doing matches. He shot deer. Yeah, 0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.200 and then he shot a guy in a similar way 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:17.640 to how he'd shot deer. Nor is he a trans 0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:20.800 person because you know, what's a better practice if you're 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.600 going to shoot someone at one hundred something yards distance 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.960 than a tactical shooting match shooting deer? 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:31.160 Like yeah, like the whole thing is just like I know, Yeah, 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:34.760 the discourse around mass shootings has become less helpful and 0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:35.400 more toxic. 0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:35.680 No. 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.880 Part of it's because I think there's a decent chunk 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.160 of like progressives and left for whom like it's immoral 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.959 to actually know anything about how guns work, or how 0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.640 shooting works, or gun culture works, So you can't actually 0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:51.440 like understand what you're talking about, which is another problem. 0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:53.800 There's a lot of problems. It's not high on the 0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:55.520 list of problems, but it annoys me. 0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:59.240 Yeah, maybe it pitches me off irrationally more than it should. 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:03.200 Like to find that frustrating, Like we cannot have a 0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.320 reasonable discourse around guns in this country. 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.959 No, No, that that ship sailed yeah with some bullet 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:09.640 holes in the hall. 0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:15.160 One last serious one, m what's everyone's opinion on the 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:19.080 best implementation of dual power in the modern era? That's 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:20.120 a mea question. 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:24.080 I mean, how are you defining modern era? I guess 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:25.600 how are you defining dual power? 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:26.360 Yeah? 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.080 Yeah? And how long do you have. 0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.080 The people who've objectively done the best job of it 0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:35.960 as asapatistas. And they've done the best job of it 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:40.160 in large part because they've been willing to change the 0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:44.000 structure of their systems over time as things have worked 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:47.360 and things have not worked, and as the systems that 0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:50.440 they've been using have decentralized, I don't know the fact 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:52.520 that they were able to even even under a massive attack, 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:54.280 they were able to do a massive expansion a few 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.719 years ago. Yeah, they've held out against you know, the 0:31:57.760 --> 0:31:59.800 wrath of the Mexican state, which is one of the 0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:01.120 most violent in the world. 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:02.160 Yeah. 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.080 I mean I would, in a similar veins talk about 0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.640 like the PKK and then the YEPGJ and Rojava, right 0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:12.080 where you had these non state groups that had connections 0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.880 and that had some experience doing what we might call 0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:18.160 mutual aid prior to the government's collapse, and then kind 0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:21.040 of expanded that into these networks that began to mimic 0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:25.400 and replace state function in an area that about three 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:27.960 million people lived in. I think that's a really that's 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:30.760 certainly a more important story in terms of how that 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:32.520 kind of thing might work on a larger scale than 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:34.160 anything that's happened up to the present point in the 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:35.320 United States. Right. 0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:38.960 Yeah, I guess in less of a militaristic way, but 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:42.360 more like a party capacity or like political proposal capacity. 0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.560 Probably some of the stuff coming out of the New 0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.440 York City Chapter of DSA the past year, which is 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:52.960 not reflective of DSA's an entire national organization, but specifically 0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:57.320 the New York chapter has been very very prefigative in 0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:00.600 actually doing like more like party oriented dual power. 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.440 Yeah, And I was I think probably we should also 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.320 talk some about like the different immigration defense hotlines and 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:10.080 immigration defense reaction forces around the country that have gone 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.880 really ramping up and doing a lot of really good 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.600 and really difficult work under duress and under you know, fire, 0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:18.280 so to speak. 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:22.280 Yeah, Like people have built immediity safety, yeah, to keep 0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:24.320 that community safe when the state has failed to keep 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.880 their community safe, right, and sometimes it's put their communities 0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:30.360 in danger. And like, especially I think it is kind 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:33.920 of heartwarming to me to see people who who were 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:38.080 just like straight up statist liberals, right yeah, realizing that 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:40.280 actually the cops aren't going to come and arrest ice. 0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.440 That's not going to fucking happen, and then being like, Okay, well, 0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:46.520 how do we organize the strategy that will maintain safety 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:49.120 in our community given that this load bearing part of 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.600 reality for me that cops are good has seemingly collapsed. 0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.880 And I'd say, in general, James, the fact that there's 0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:59.080 a whole lot of normy people who would have you 0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:01.960 certainly would have describe them as normies a year or 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:04.960 two ago, that are now like, yeah, we gotta get 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:06.320 rid of Ice. Maybe we got to get rid of 0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:09.640 all these cops. Yeah, Bill Crystal, Yeah, Bill, Bill Crystal 0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.760 be on the anti Ice train, right. Yeah, it's not bad. 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:14.520 I do get the first. I'm not saying like we 0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.359 should invite Bill Crystal to the party or whatever. I'm 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.799 saying that, like the felt Crystal blooked me on Blue Sky, 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:20.680 so I can't invite him. 0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.719 Said, Bill Crystal's coming to the Anarchist Book Fair and 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:25.719 it's going to be serving Vegan Slov. 0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:28.279 Is that even a joke? Garrisoner, Is that real? That 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:32.759 could be real? Okay, But it's just in general good 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.600 that a lot of people who are like where my 0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:40.120 parents were politically twenty years ago are looking out at 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:41.560 what's happening and being like, we got to get rid 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:44.480 of these fucking people. Yeah, that's that's good. That's positive. 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:44.839 Yeah. 0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.759 I would say that that's kind of like a downstream 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.040 change from what I think will be the most long 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.000 term positive change from the twenty twenty uprisings, which is 0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:55.680 a huge number of people who hadn't thought about the 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:57.640 cops realized what the cops are. 0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:00.560 Yeah, And to wrap it up, Robert, we got like 0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.719 multiple requests for you to do various accents. 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.400 Are you fucking shitting me? Various what accents? 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:10.440 Since so many requests for you to do various access? 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:15.160 Well, okay, some Australian ones and Boston ones, Boston a 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.000 few other but like the specific areas of Boston. I 0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:21.279 think they were asking about like like different like inter 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:26.799 Boston regional accent. I'm sure you can just do those 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:31.400 like one one one oh even all. 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.840 Right, yes, enough of that to see is that for listening? 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.560 Are our Q and A episodes? 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:36.880 Okay? 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.600 It could half of the year nailed perfectly? 0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:42.640 No notes. I'd say we reported the news, but this 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.040 was definitively not the news. Yeah, we didn't do that. 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.440 Yeah, goodbye. 0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:00.640 So I have pulled up Plymarket and Cale she We're 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.480 gonna go through each of the trending predictions right now 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:07.440 and then decide where we're gonna be putting our last 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:10.480 year's profit from cool zone coin. We're gonna be transferring 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:14.120 that on the blockchain to polymarket, and I think we 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.160 can come out of this year with a big profit. 0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:19.839 This is how we're relying on funding our operations. 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.839 Jesus, that's going forward. Can you check party market real quick? 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:26.200 Say if Morris he's still alive, Jesus, it's been three 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:27.120 years in a row. 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:31.280 So this is our twenty twenty six predictions episode. Like usual, 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:33.480 I think we should start by reflecting us move our 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:37.200 predictions from last year to see how right and wrong 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:41.360 we were. The big one, big prediction that we discussed 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.680 the most as a team is when is Elon Musk 0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:47.520 gonna distance himself from Trump? Or when are they gonna 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:50.200 break up? What do they have their you know, separation? 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:55.160 And each and every one of the extended Cool Zone 0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:57.520 media team members who works on it could Happen here 0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:03.759 put in a date and the most accurate guess was 0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:08.640 from it could Happen Here's main editor Adam, who said 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:13.560 May thirtieth, which was really spot on. So congrats to Adam, Adam, 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.640 to all of us stumble through our episodes and have 0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:17.359 to edit them. 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:18.839 All cutting all the burps out. 0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:22.920 Yeah actually actually, uh, you know, maybe to really give 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.880 credit back to us, maybe influenced your your wisdom. 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:30.560 God, let me reflect him his Gloria myself. Yes, we 0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.839 really made him wiser, and thus we're all wrong ourselves 0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.520 and most psychological da. 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:37.719 It's a good you know. 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.400 It means that we're smarter as a group entity, as 0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:43.839 a hive mind, we're all smarter than our own individual intelligence, 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:45.960 which Adam has the most access to. 0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:47.760 Yes, just like ants. 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:53.600 Yeah, but yeah, no, Adam. Adam did pretty good on 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:58.400 that May thirtieth guess, so there you go. Sophie also 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:03.320 close at May six, and then Molly congered June tenth, 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:06.080 also kind of in that zone, but Adam definitely hit 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:10.200 it spot on. We had a few other predictions. Some 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:11.759 of them were predictions. Some of them, I guess we're 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:13.600 kind of more hopes and dreams, which sadly did not 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:18.040 come to pass. The me on mar Junta was predicted 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:21.880 by me and James to Junta was predicted by me 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.200 and James to making out twenty twenty five. They've kind 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:25.520 of stuck on to power. 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.480 Yeah, yeah, if they've rallied pretty substantially Italy. 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:32.640 It's unfortunate Yaho's still as prime Minister. I did predict 0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:34.520 that a sod would become a Russia today host. I 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.800 think it's a good prediction. But did not happen. 0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:37.960 That could still happen. 0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:39.560 It still happen in the future. 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:43.600 I'm waiting for them to hire him for a fucking podcast. 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.360 I don't think I predicted this, but I'm not surprised. 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:47.920 He's just playing video games. 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.480 No, he's just pulled up in a hotel playing video games. 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:50.719 Now. 0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:51.799 Yeah. 0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:54.680 During our death segment, I laid out a new theory 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:58.600 of death based on Spotify Rapped, which the previous two 0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.080 years had some important deaths associate with Spotify rap Day. 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:04.960 No big Spotify Rapped deaths this year. 0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:10.600 Unfortunately, though, I did make a death prediction last episode 0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:14.160 which did not fully become true, but slightly became true 0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:17.040 right after we record that episode last year, before the 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:20.480 episode even aired, I predicted that someone would try to 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:23.920 assassinate Nick Fuent as well. Nick was live streaming, perhaps 0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:25.000 a deranged fanboy. 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:26.640 Days later. 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:31.719 Just days later, someone showed up outside of Nick's house 0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:35.239 as he was live streaming with a weapon, allegedly trying 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.040 to kill him. This person died later that night, and 0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.279 in like exchange with police, it became this whole thing. 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:43.960 But that happened just a few days after I made 0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:46.319 that prediction, so technically didn't even happen in twenty twenty five, 0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:48.440 happened still in twenty twenty four before we aired that 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:51.520 last episode, but it was close, was close to some 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:55.160 kind of zeitgeist on that. It's unclear that guy was 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.719 a fanboy. We really don't know much about him. What's 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:01.759 a few othertions that have like kind of kind of 0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:05.000 come true, But like it's more in terms of like 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:06.680 which degree I guess. 0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:09.680 I think my weird terrorism prediction has been pretty Yeah, 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.799 are o the money, Yeah, that's that's continued to be 0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:14.400 a driver of the discourse. 0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:16.359 We'll return to that in a sec. 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:19.359 Sophie talked about, you know, Trump moving some like White 0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:22.480 House operations to mar A Lago, which has partially happened. 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:24.840 There's been a lot of like a like a holiday 0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:26.440 events done at mar A Lago. 0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:27.640 Sometimes he's working out of. 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:30.520 There, very odd things. 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:33.520 Yeah, But on the other hand, he's also just mar 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.880 A Lago of fying the White House itself, which with 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:40.399 like the ballroom, So it's kind of going in both directions. 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:45.400 Mia did did put a very firm prediction on like 0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:48.640 an economic collapse in twenty twenty five, like in the 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:51.400 United States again, it's it's it's it's like a slow 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:53.440 in terms of like one of the key ideas for 0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:57.600 our show is like crumbles versus collapse. It certainly continued 0:40:57.640 --> 0:41:00.440 to crumble and I but I think the actual collapse 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:01.600 point is still upcoming. 0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:04.640 Yeah, well, we'll get into this more later. I will 0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:08.600 say it is kind of baffling to have my prediction 0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:14.520 completely derailed, literally just solely by AI data center spending, Yes, 0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:18.960 which I did not predict that any entire American growth 0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:24.120 rate would be and I did set a growth Yeah 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:24.960 I didn't get that. 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.680 No, the actual like like job market and economy has 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:31.880 become so separate from like corporate spending and stock market stuff, 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.200 and like Robert did, actually I think hit this a 0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:37.120 little bit on the head. He talked about how the 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:40.560 economy will basically remain identical to Biden's economy in terms 0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:43.560 of inflation, but the stock market will continue to go 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.120 up and housing will keep getting more expensive, and the 0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:48.720 left will start to be able to hit conservatives on inflation. 0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:52.080 And yeah, I think that is pretty much what happened. 0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:54.080 The economy is in a relatively similar place as it 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.680 was last year, but you know, inflation is still ticking. 0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:00.000 There's some like artificial attempts to like bring it down 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:05.040 by Trump, but it's not really working in terms of prices. 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:09.000 No, the only thing cropping it up in a numbers 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:12.480 term is fucking Nvidia. Well in Vidia less so now, 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.880 but just a rational exuberance over AI in general. Yeah, 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.520 but people are complaining about all the same things they 0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:20.120 were under Biden, just more so. 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:21.320 Yeah. 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.080 Yeah, I guess I have three other points here. I 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.520 talked about a blue governor deployed national Guard troops against 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:32.279 Trump federal troops. Instead, you got Trump deployed national Guard 0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:36.400 troops against individual cities with like police kind of caught 0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:40.240 in between. We still have yet to see the the 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:43.120 cool and based moment where like a blue governor deploys 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.520 national Guard against against dhl. 0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.479 Ivn't use deployed his Twitter account today. 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.840 Yeah No, Still, Sophie talked about there'd be still no 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:53.680 clear left wing Joe Rogan. 0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:57.520 But so many have tried, a lot of people try. 0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:58.839 I still feel like I could be it. 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:01.960 You're gonna have to be a lot more on camera, 0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:04.439 I think, Yeah, well they'll have to have a lot 0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.080 a lot more on camera stuff for that more camera. 0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:10.840 Less hair larger gut can explained. 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:12.920 Steroids, different drugs. 0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:16.400 Yeah, I mean, Adam Freeland is certainly positioning in that direction. 0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:20.080 Yeah, I agree here. I agree here. Also, I predicted 0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:22.520 that something would happen to the Paul brothers, and unfortunately 0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:24.719 the only thing that happened is that their HBO show 0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:25.680 did not get renewed. 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:29.040 When was that boxed bag? That was year prior and 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:29.799 it wasn't good. 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:33.279 No, they had a TV show called Paul American. 0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.600 Yeah, are you serious? I didn't even hear about this. 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.960 It was on HBO, but it got canceled. 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:42.520 I guess I've just had other stuff going on. 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.279 Yeah, I'm kind of glad that I've lived a life 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:48.319 where I didn't know that. I have no shame about that. 0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:51.719 Finally, both myself and like a few of us kind 0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:53.279 of talked about this, is that there would be this 0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:58.440 movement away from big mobilizations. Some big mobizations happened in 0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:01.480 short periods of time, like especially a good point like LA. 0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:04.120 I think it's probably the most significant. But in terms 0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:08.200 of like like actual like countrywide massimabilizations. Right, there's a 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:12.280 movement away from this and moving towards lone wolf attacks, 0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:16.560 which did happen, and specifically I predicted there would be 0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:20.200 like a very a very sloppy Luigi copycat in the 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:25.399 next four months, and oh boy, did this? Did this 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:29.160 happen multiple in reoccurring times. And this kind of played 0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:32.000 into this larger model I was creating, which kind of 0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:36.360 starts around the assassination of shinzo Abe, creating this escalating 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:39.640 series of assassinations happening faster and faster, because like after 0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:43.320 shinzo Abe, there was, you know, two years later, Thomas 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:45.920 Crooks trying to assassinate Donald Trump and butt the Pennsylvania 0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:49.759 Six months later, the United Healthcare CEO. Three months after that, 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.200 someone tried to burn down the home of Pennsylvania Governor 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.719 Josh Shapiro in the middle of the night. One and 0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:57.200 a half months after that, there was the assassination of 0:44:57.239 --> 0:45:00.480 two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, d C. Two weeks 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.360 after that, a Christian missionary named Vance Belter killed in 0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:06.319 Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband and shot 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:09.680 Senator John Hoffman. Next month was the Prairie Land assault 0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:11.680 on an ice facility in July, the exact details of 0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:13.560 which are still getting figured out. 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:14.200 In court. 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:18.080 But after this things kind of tapered down for a 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:22.279 bit until September with the Charlie Kirk assassination and the 0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:25.799 attack on the ICE facility in Texas which kills two 0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:30.880 immigrant detainees. So yeah, in terms of like you know, 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:36.239 lone wolf style, pre planned assassination style attacks, sloppy copycats, 0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:40.720 right people writing messages on bullet casings, emulating the United 0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:46.280 Healthcare CEO assassination, this was like a super super dominant 0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:47.480 part of twenty twenty five. 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:50.200 It's the same pattern. I talked about this at the 0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:54.799 end of my episode on Manngione after like that came 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:58.040 out right that like there's copycats after every shooting. This 0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.200 is basically following the same kind of thing we on 0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:04.600 twenty nineteen with the eight Chan shootings right where you like, 0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:07.200 this has been going on for much longer than that, 0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:09.960 but it's a very predictable once you start to expect it. 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:13.440 It's a very predictable thing, which is someone carries out 0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:16.520 a shooting that actually manages to break through our levels 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:21.160 of apathy about violence in this society and keeps everyone's attention, 0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:24.439 and then throughout the year a bunch of different people 0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:27.239 try iterations based on that because it's the only way 0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:29.640 to get attention, and that's what all these people are craving, right, 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:31.960 that's the only real currency that still has value. 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.359 I will say I think it says something positive about 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.760 the turnoway for mass mobilizations that the lone wolf stuff 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:39.960 wasn't the only stuff that happened. There was also the 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.560 turn towards the thing we talked about in our Q 0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:45.360 and A episode about the ICE rapid response stuff, which is, 0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.239 you know, there were a few big mobilizations, but then 0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:50.759 ICE was forced to change their tactics by the fact 0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:53.239 that giant mobilizations by ICE were going badly for them, 0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:55.120 and this did create a whole bunch of sort of 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:59.800 decentralized rapid response networks and a whole bunch of action 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.919 that were sort of based on this very very decentralized 0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:05.399 very we show up and we do this thing at 0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:09.080 this place. What's happening. It has stopped some of the 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:11.000 things that is happening. It has not stopped all of 0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:13.560 the horrors that have been happening. But I think it 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:15.600 is a positive trend in terms of the way that 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:17.560 ICE has been forced to adjust their tactics to do 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:20.480 things that are harder and get less people at a time, 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:22.959 So I think that's worth as a positive thing worth 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:26.080 sharing of. How yeah, yeah, that the tactical innovations that 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:28.840 activists have been deploying have been forcing ICE to do 0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:30.160 less devastating raides. 0:47:30.960 --> 0:47:35.000 We saw various attempts at mass mobilization, most successful with 0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:39.120 the No King's Marches, which were vast, but we also 0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:41.279 saw those fifty to fifty one things which kind of 0:47:42.360 --> 0:47:44.920 we're not as successful in turning out a lot of 0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:47.799 numbers of people. But like me, it said, like in Ventura, right, 0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:49.880 Like we saw huge numbers of people show up when 0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:52.799 ICE tried to raid a couple of agricultural facilities up there, 0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:55.120 And yeah, well like I was up in La We've 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:58.040 spoken about that extensively. But like Garrison said, that was 0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:02.239 probably the biggest mobilization against ICE at one time in 0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:03.319 one place that we saw. 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:05.680 It's a probably do ad break and then move into 0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:09.719 predictions for this upcoming year twenty twenty six. 0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:10.400 Yep. 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:24.480 The stock market is still trying to keep going, although 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:28.560 in some parts is like if not going down, flatlining 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:33.319 like a bitcoined did not increase this past year. There's 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:36.640 been a few popular like rising stocks like Netflix, which 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:40.560 are pretty much at the same spot they were at 0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:42.959 the start of twenty twenty five, still going up and down. 0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:45.480 Yeah, Games Workshop is up forty eight percent. 0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:51.600 Baby war Hammer, the assassin orm kingmaker, it's great. 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:54.920 Sixty seventh most valuable company in the entire UK, larger 0:48:54.920 --> 0:49:00.359 than their a whole fishing industry. Baby really, Yeah, that's 0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:03.640 what I Warhammer is load bearing to the British economy. 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:06.720 The only thing nodding and really has left. 0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:09.440 Yeah. So they got rid of the sheriff. It already 0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:13.479 went downhill for them. Hey, that in robinhood tourism is Yeah, 0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:15.200 anything you can do in noting him. 0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:18.520 Now, Okay, I have I have a big one about this, 0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:20.640 and it's not that the tech bubble is going to collapse. 0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:22.080 I do think the tech bubble is going to pop 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:22.640 this year. 0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:24.800 At about this year, but within the next twelve months. 0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:26.960 I think you're saying, because we've got like three. 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:29.400 Weeks left in this year, well, you know, in twenty 0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:31.759 twenty six. Yeah, these are these are predictions in twenty 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:32.160 twenty six. 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:34.359 Yeah, in twenty twenty six, the tech bubble is going 0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:38.279 to pop. Yeah, that's not the prediction. The prediction is that, 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.440 in an attempt to recoup the value from all of 0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:44.280 the completely useless data centers that they will have built 0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:47.640 that can only run LMS and can do nothing else, 0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:52.120 someone is going to invent a cryptocurrency that can only 0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:54.920 be mined by large language models. And this is going 0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:59.279 to be one of the big attempts to recoup the hideous, 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:01.560 hideou some mouse of capital they've been dumped into all 0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:04.000 these data centers. Is that they're going to have someone's 0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:05.719 going to find a way to make a kind of 0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:08.800 token that can only be generated by large language models. 0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:11.640 And they're gonna they're gonna try it. Is it gonna work? 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:14.880 I don't think so, But they are going to try it. 0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:16.840 It's going to be a big thing. They're gonna push it. 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:17.600 It's gonna suck. 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:20.920 There's gonna be a bunch of desperate attempts to like 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:25.120 once the money starts falling out and like. Which is 0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:26.839 not to say that I think that AI is going 0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:28.960 to even the AI that annoys me is going to 0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:32.560 go away, But a lot of the irrational exuberance is 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:34.680 going to end, and a lot of the startups that 0:50:34.719 --> 0:50:36.840 are are just burning money are going to fail or 0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:40.799 get acquired, and you're going to see tremendous desperation for 0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:42.680 people to be like, this is the next thing, This 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:44.400 is the next thing, Throw a bunch of money into this, 0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:48.040 Like yeah, that's that's gonna be annoying. 0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:48.680 No. 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:50.480 I mean, I feel like people have been talking about 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:53.520 the a bubble popping for a while. I have been 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:58.239 hearing things from people who think and track this more 0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:00.960 than I do that if it is going to happen, 0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:04.360 there's there's indicators that it's more likely to happen in 0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:08.319 twenty six than it was in twenty five. I'm not 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:11.680 going to put money on that on the calshy betting markets, 0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:15.640 but god, it does seem to be more of a possibility. 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:18.200 And you can see this the way people are handling 0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:20.799 Navidia stock right now and being advised not to buy 0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:22.839 more stock but still hold what you have. 0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:25.920 Yeah, and just where Nvidios stock has moved over the 0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:26.640 last month or so. 0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:29.280 Yeah, So if you look at what's happening with Navidio, 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:31.480 we might have reached the peak and oh yeah, and 0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:33.600 it might be so jover for some of these guys. 0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:34.040 Wow. 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:38.520 Yeah, I think the big open question is how bad 0:51:38.600 --> 0:51:41.440 it's going to be there's going to be at least 0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:44.320 one of these big AI companies, Open Ai or Anthropic 0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:48.319 or somebody that either goes bust entirely or has to 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:52.000 get acquired. But again, if you're looking at this rationally 0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:55.759 and out wish casting, both Apple, Google, and Microsoft are 0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.319 all perfectly capable of sustaining their rates of burn. 0:51:58.440 --> 0:51:59.640 Microsoft is still going up. 0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:03.200 Yeah, yeah, Facebook is as well. And I think what 0:52:03.280 --> 0:52:07.480 you're likelier to see is contraction and consolidation, which is 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:09.160 not to say that it's not going to be disastrous 0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:10.759 for some group. I think there's a good chance that 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:14.160 we do see some banks fail because there's there's some 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:15.759 bad investments out there. 0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:20.080 Yeah, they have been doing collateralized loan obligations, Yeah, where 0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:22.680 the underlying asset is compute time. 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:23.280 Yeah. 0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:26.120 This is more deranged than two thousand and eight. 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:26.880 Yeah. 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.840 I cannot emphasize this enough. This is the most deranged 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:32.440 thing I have seen since the Tulip crisis, Like I 0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:35.560 cannot explain just good God. 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:38.200 So no, I mean the upside that we have over 0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:40.480 two thousand and eight is that the thing that all 0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:44.440 of these bad bets are on isn't people's houses, right? Yes, Yeah, 0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:46.600 and so that does there is a potential that some 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:48.920 good comes out of it in terms of like universities 0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:51.120 getting access to a lot more compute that they can 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:53.200 actually use for valuable things. 0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:57.359 Yeah, and people are already suffering under recession conditions. If 0:52:57.400 --> 0:53:00.520 you're like a working class person, like you already with 0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:03.600 the follow it effects of this. Just the stock market 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:06.800 itself has been insulated from the rest of the economy 0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:08.640 which is in a state of recession. 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:12.239 And also it can get worse, which so a lot of. 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:14.440 People who aren't like super wealthy are like pro this 0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:18.200 bubble popping and pro this because then if other people, 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:20.960 people in power finally realize how bad it is, they're 0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:24.040 hopeful that then something might be done to like fix 0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:28.040 some of the material conditions. Which I can understand people's like, 0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:29.680 like you know point of view there. 0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:32.759 Yeah, I am not as worried about this being as 0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:35.799 bad for the average person as two thousand and eight was. 0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:38.600 I don't think it's going to be as satisfying as 0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:40.480 people are hoping it was. It's not going to wipe 0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:42.800 out or put an end to the annoyance of AI 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:45.839 in our lives, although it should make it easier to 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:49.000 rationalize some of the shit people have been saying, like 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.759 it should make the craziest of the AI booster's being 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:53.800 like this is going to replace everything. The whole economy 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:55.560 will be in two years, no one will have a job. 0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:58.120 That's going to be a lot harder for anybody who's 0:53:58.160 --> 0:54:00.600 not to not seem like a crazy person while I advocating, 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:04.840 but the Internet's going to stay annoying, like unfortunate. I 0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:06.360 think it's fucked for a little while. 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:10.920 Yeah, I think my girly pop economy prediction is that 0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:15.960 we're going to continue to see influencer shopping. What I 0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:19.520 mean by that is like influencers have been pushing products 0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:22.000 like no other and marketing budgets have been going to 0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:25.960 influencer marketing at a rapid pace. And I think we're 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:28.319 going to see the implementation of AI into that more. 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:32.000 And I think that that is primarily going to be 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:34.319 one of the ways, like we might see less or 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:37.520 we'll still see as much, but targeted ads, and we're 0:54:37.560 --> 0:54:40.319 going to see an addition to that, we'll also see 0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:44.680 like targeted influencer marketing for products, and like it's already 0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:47.959 pretty gnarly on like TikTok Instagram, But I think we're 0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:50.040 only going to see more of that, and it's just gonna, 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:52.400 you know, going to be peak capitalism. 0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:56.520 Care Something that could be really fun is that if 0:54:56.560 --> 0:55:01.120 it pops, it's going to line up almost perfectly with 0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:05.239 two thousand and eight nostalgia. So we'll have recession nostalgia, 0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:08.160 which is already starting to happen in the same time 0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:11.400 as a whole economic recession. So we'll have the recessions 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:14.879 line up in time with their nostalgia cycle, and then 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:16.640 you know, it's only a matter of months before you 0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:19.000 have you know, like twenty tens like hipster stuff come 0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:20.160 and coming back in. 0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:24.320 Great, So you know, it's it's right there. We're so close. 0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:26.480 We're already at that like like you know, two thousand 0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:29.440 and eight level of two thousands of nostalgia. But if 0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:32.080 it lines up with the recession, then that could that 0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:33.080 could be really exciting. 0:55:33.680 --> 0:55:36.080 Now. I'm also kind of curious as to whether or 0:55:36.080 --> 0:55:38.480 not we're going to start seeing you know, a lot 0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:41.040 of the earliest adopters of AI on a regular basis. 0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:44.200 We're very young people using it to cheat at school, yes, 0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:49.360 and just kind of trawling different teachers, subreddits and online communities. 0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:52.959 I'm seeing teachers talk about, like younger kids now there 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:56.520 being a backlash among very young people against the use 0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.799 of AI and the way it makes people talk. This 0:55:59.880 --> 0:56:02.000 is kind of coming alongside as you're starting to see 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:06.600 a recovery in lovells of literacy, as schools depart from 0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:09.160 the bad way of teaching kids to read that fuck 0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:12.400 everyone up. I don't have any kind of longitudinal statistical 0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:15.080 data on this. This is all very much anecdotal, so 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:18.040 I'm still waiting to see is this a broader trend 0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:20.239 or did I just come across some people saying this 0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:22.640 is a thing that they're seeing in their area. But 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:26.279 I'm kind of interested. And there's a degree to which 0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:28.920 I think some sort of backlash against AI is inevitable 0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:32.520 just because of how everyone running society is trying to 0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:35.880 push people to replace everything with it. Like that just 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:39.160 inevitably is going to irritate the kids because the adults 0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:41.480 are all doing it right, We'll see. 0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:46.960 I think people are increasingly better at spotting AI, like 0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:50.600 intuitively and very quickly. It's something I've seen like not 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:54.480 in high school, but like teaching the like a university level. 0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:57.120 People just being like this is an ir response, and 0:56:57.160 --> 0:56:59.920 it's fucking cringe like because AI always writes in a 0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:03.520 particularly cringe way. Right, that is very obvious, and I've 0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:07.000 seen that. But I genuinely hope more people stop using 0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:10.520 AI because it is making education a pretty fucking miserable 0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:13.400 place to be right now, which is Tobama because I 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:13.880 like teaching. 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:17.720 Let's go on another at break and then return for 0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:33.560 some midterm predictions. Hey, is it everyone excited? It's another election. 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:36.480 You're already people are saying the most important one of 0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:37.680 our lives, Garrison. 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:39.760 I think so, just what I was starting to miss it. 0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:43.800 Yeah, I'm voting Kamala for every single camera. 0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:51.160 Single state level position. Yeah, sure, she will be the comptroller. 0:57:50.640 --> 0:57:54.000 A right, you're killing me. Who do we think is 0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:55.800 going to run? Gavin Newsome. 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:00.600 Midterms? 0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:04.280 Yeah, unfortunately, Sophie, we have another reporter like talking about 0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:05.080 twenty twenty eight. 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:07.960 Yeah, we don't have to do that until next year's skipped. 0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:10.800 I've skipped the midterms, and I was already going to 0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:14.360 the next level of hell, no, no, no, who's going 0:58:14.440 --> 0:58:15.720 to be governor of California? 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:16.360 James? 0:58:16.760 --> 0:58:19.400 God knows that the Dems have not really been putting 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:24.760 their strongest foot forward. Katie Porter had these like really 0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:27.200 pretty nasty videos come out of the way she was 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:30.360 talking to people who work for her. I don't think 0:58:30.640 --> 0:58:32.800 that that is a good leadership trait, and I don't 0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:34.840 think that that it's a person we should choose. 0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:35.880 I don't know. 0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:38.880 I'm so resigned to being it being someone's shit, you 0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:41.560 know that, Like I honestly try not to put too 0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:44.000 much of my time and effort into it. But yeah, 0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:46.800 I know, maybe I'll be fucking Katie Perry. Maybe Trudeau 0:58:46.920 --> 0:58:52.160 will pass on his electoral magic. She's got some good songs. 0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:55.040 She could use them with that. Actually, with the intellectual 0:58:55.040 --> 0:58:58.520 property licensing, which which Trump doesn't do, she could get 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:01.800 that shark. Maybe the shark be vice governor. You know, 0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:05.360 it's this potential there. We have worried about the shock. 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:10.480 So obviously the Democrats are protected to do well in 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:13.200 this in this midterm election based on like like like 0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:16.840 anti Trump sentiment and like the regular swing away from 0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:20.320 the like whoever is in the executive branch in mid terms. 0:59:20.920 --> 0:59:23.160 And yeah, I think the Democrats will do well, especially 0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:24.400 if you look at the last like a month or 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:29.640 so of election results. I think it's possible they take 0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:32.640 both chambers. I think they will absolutely take one. 0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:33.920 I'm going split. 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:36.880 It's possible they take both chambers. I don't think it's 0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:39.600 going to be a landslide. It's not going to be 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:42.400 a blue tsunami blue Nay. I think it may be 0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:45.680 a blue wave. I think I think a wave or 0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:48.760 a small wave is likely. I do not think it's 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:51.640 going to be a complete blowout. But there's been like 0:59:51.720 --> 0:59:54.880 especially in the Tennessee's special election, a thirteen point shift 0:59:55.400 --> 0:59:59.760 towards Democrats. Yeah, we've seen other double digit shifts across 0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:02.520 the country in the in the past, in the past month. 1:00:03.800 --> 1:00:06.280 I don't know how much they'll be able to continue 1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:09.880 that sort of sentiment in you know, nine months time, 1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:14.440 ten months, eleven months time leading into November. So I 1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:17.240 think some of that enthusiasm will maybe taper off a 1:00:17.240 --> 1:00:20.040 little bit as Trump becomes kind of like a lame 1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:24.160 duck presidency. But I still think they'll do like okay 1:00:24.320 --> 1:00:26.720 in terms of like the Democrats. 1:00:26.400 --> 1:00:28.560 I very much disapear. I think this is going to 1:00:28.600 --> 1:00:30.960 be like a generic de plus fourteen. This is going 1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:34.240 to be a fucking massacre. What signs are pointing towards that. 1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:38.880 I mean, they just won the mayorship of Miami. 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:39.640 Yeah. 1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:41.800 Yeah, Well so you're saying it's gonna be good for 1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:42.480 the Democrats de. 1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:46.120 Plus fourteen Yeah, like Democrats plus fourteen Okay, Like I'm 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:50.040 talking like a a a tsunami. Okay. Got My prediction 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:53.000 is that all of the polling people are fucking cowards. 1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:55.440 What's happening right now with the polling is that they 1:00:55.440 --> 1:00:58.440 are using the twenty twenty four electorate. Yeah, this is 1:00:58.480 --> 1:01:00.800 not the twenty twenty four electorate. Have not figured this 1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:04.520 out yet, No, they are still underestimating the exact scale 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:05.840 of which everyone fucking hates them. 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:10.600 Like, i'ld be surprised if both houses flip. But yeah, 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:11.240 here's the thing. 1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:14.960 The Cuban parts of Miami, Yeah went left by like 1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:17.320 fifteen points. Yeah, touch, something we talked about in the show. 1:01:17.360 --> 1:01:19.400 They are going through and systematically pissing off every single 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:20.360 part of their base, right. 1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:20.880 Like. 1:01:20.960 --> 1:01:22.600 One of the things one of the stories I've been 1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:25.480 tracking is about the ways in which they've been spystematically 1:01:25.480 --> 1:01:28.080 pissing off a whole bunch of farmers who are a 1:01:28.200 --> 1:01:31.480 very very consistent right wing voting base, and they're pissing 1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:34.360 them off a trade war bullshit because China's not buying swoybeans, right, 1:01:34.800 --> 1:01:37.360 this is how they're losing elections in Western Iowa. I 1:01:37.360 --> 1:01:39.240 think the other part of this too is and this 1:01:39.280 --> 1:01:40.840 is how I think the momentum is going to be sustained, 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:43.360 is that things haven't even gotten as bad as they're 1:01:43.360 --> 1:01:45.840 going to get yet. The actual standard of living in 1:01:45.840 --> 1:01:48.240 this country right now, it is going to get so 1:01:48.440 --> 1:01:51.600 much worse as as all of the inflation stuff sort 1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:54.560 of racks up, et cetera, et cetera. Like the country 1:01:54.600 --> 1:01:56.320 is going to be worse. Everyone's going to be more 1:01:56.320 --> 1:01:59.640 pissed off. Trump is going to have bombed like four 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:02.600 more countries. We're gonna have like cent troops into Mexico 1:02:02.720 --> 1:02:05.480 or some shit. He's going to be so unpopular it's 1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:07.440 going to be like it's gonna be the fucking flood 1:02:07.640 --> 1:02:08.920 out there that's possible. 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:12.840 Yeah, I think the incompacy advantage becomes less and less 1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:15.640 relevant the worse the economy gets. And like that was 1:02:15.680 --> 1:02:18.320 something Biden got hit with, right, that Trump is is 1:02:18.360 --> 1:02:20.960 going to have to wear especially we get further and 1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:21.840 further into his term. 1:02:21.920 --> 1:02:23.480 Right, it's a Trump economy. 1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:27.880 I guess this just requires that the current momentum Democrats 1:02:27.920 --> 1:02:30.440 have to be maintained for a while, which is something 1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:32.800 that historically Democrats haven't been great at. 1:02:32.960 --> 1:02:34.360 Yes, yeah, they've shit at it. 1:02:34.440 --> 1:02:37.240 So this will require effort for you know, people like 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:40.880 organizing with the Democrats and social media messaging, like actual 1:02:40.920 --> 1:02:44.440 in person like like electoral organizing to really keep this 1:02:44.520 --> 1:02:48.800 momentum pressure going for the next eleven months, which which 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:51.000 is you know, they've they've done a good job at 1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:53.400 this the past like six months, but can they like 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:55.840 maintain this to the midterms. That's the only point where 1:02:55.840 --> 1:02:58.400 I start to hesitate in terms of like the scale 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:00.560 of like a blue wave. But I think it's it's 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:02.760 certainly possible that that they end up doing quite well, 1:03:02.800 --> 1:03:06.280 but it's going to be reliant on like maintaining this pressure. 1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:11.240 No, there's still some structural difficulties that make flipping Congress 1:03:11.400 --> 1:03:13.200 entirely very. 1:03:13.040 --> 1:03:15.520 Difficult, especially with the redistricting stuff happening. 1:03:15.600 --> 1:03:15.760 Yeah. 1:03:15.840 --> 1:03:18.760 Yeah, so like could they take the Senate quite easily? Yeah, 1:03:18.840 --> 1:03:21.240 the House still up in the air. For me, I 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:24.680 think lean the Democrat at this point, certainly leaning Democrat, 1:03:24.800 --> 1:03:26.760 but still not confident. 1:03:26.520 --> 1:03:28.840 That'd be great. I just I don't want to get irrationally, 1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:31.440 you know, ahead of our skizier. 1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:35.280 I have watched very very dysfunctional state Democratic parties win 1:03:35.320 --> 1:03:39.360 elections and districts that were R plus twenty two. Anything 1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:40.160 happened at this point. 1:03:40.320 --> 1:03:43.760 Yeah, no, Yeah, it's not coming from a national strategy. 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:47.080 It's coming from like local candidates doing well on local 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:50.160 issues and people fucking hating Trump. Yeah, it is not 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:55.720 the DNC who is putting Higgins or Mam Dami in office. Well, yeah, 1:03:55.840 --> 1:03:58.440 that is, uh, I guess a good thing because the 1:03:58.480 --> 1:04:00.720 DNT fucking sucks. It has always fucking sucked, and it 1:04:00.760 --> 1:04:02.800 has really reinforced how much it sucks in the last 1:04:03.040 --> 1:04:03.600 eight years. 1:04:03.760 --> 1:04:03.960 Yeah. 1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:05.880 And being able to hit Trump and Republicans on the 1:04:05.920 --> 1:04:09.440 economy with tariffs this like oh the garky stuff, has 1:04:09.480 --> 1:04:11.840 proven to be pretty successful so far, and I think 1:04:12.160 --> 1:04:15.160 being able to continue that messaging as the economy trends 1:04:15.160 --> 1:04:18.440 in its current direction, being able to continue that messaging, 1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:22.680 I think will help the Democrats. Interestingly, a Plattner in 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:26.520 Maine still seems to be the front runner for that race, 1:04:27.320 --> 1:04:29.680 so I think there's a decent chance we get our 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:31.760 first total COB in the Senate. 1:04:31.880 --> 1:04:36.720 Well, absolutely, dog shit cover up. I'm sorry if you 1:04:36.760 --> 1:04:38.280 are listening and you did that yet to you, but 1:04:38.320 --> 1:04:39.680 it's probably not your best work. 1:04:39.800 --> 1:04:42.360 Like he's got a blob now. 1:04:42.680 --> 1:04:45.320 That stuff just did not prove to be super impactful 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:47.880 to the actual voters in Maine, it seems, and the 1:04:48.040 --> 1:04:51.840 actual like focus on his talking points have maintained his lead. 1:04:52.120 --> 1:04:54.760 So I think that's something that Democrats can also look 1:04:54.880 --> 1:04:56.920 look to. Yeah, in terms of like how much of 1:04:56.960 --> 1:05:00.200 these like you know, like tertiary like personal attacks, like 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:05.600 you know, genuine, yeah, genuinely valid valid complaints or issues 1:05:06.000 --> 1:05:09.240 are are not very dominant based on how much emphsis 1:05:09.280 --> 1:05:11.360 is actually getting put on. This is sort of like 1:05:11.400 --> 1:05:13.200 a affordability messaging. 1:05:13.480 --> 1:05:15.800 To wrap up this predictions episode, should we do a 1:05:15.880 --> 1:05:17.800 quick death pick? 1:05:18.040 --> 1:05:18.960 No, one's gonna die. 1:05:19.200 --> 1:05:20.560 I thought you're gonna ask it. Do you think we're 1:05:20.600 --> 1:05:22.600 going to invade Venezuela? 1:05:22.840 --> 1:05:22.880 No? 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:24.600 See, this is what I'm interested in. I'm more interested 1:05:24.640 --> 1:05:26.360 in are we going to start any wars? 1:05:26.560 --> 1:05:26.760 Yes? 1:05:27.080 --> 1:05:28.760 And is his cabinet going to stay the same? 1:05:28.920 --> 1:05:31.040 Kindness already have started. 1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:34.959 To answer your first question, yes, yeah, is the caba 1:05:35.040 --> 1:05:38.320 going to stay the same. I'm surprised. 1:05:38.360 --> 1:05:41.160 It's weird, right, trump first term. There was a lot 1:05:41.200 --> 1:05:42.720 of cabinet turnover in the first year. 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:45.440 Sure, Scaramouchi, this is this is not happening this year. 1:05:45.960 --> 1:05:49.400 This year they stayed pretty tight knit despite a lot 1:05:49.400 --> 1:05:54.520 of turmoils or like you know, issues around like Cash Hotel, Pambondi, 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:58.080 RFK Junior, Pete haig Seth with the double tap war 1:05:58.120 --> 1:06:02.920 crime strikes. No, they're pretty tight knit, it seems so. 1:06:03.680 --> 1:06:05.720 I don't know if there's gonna be cabinet turnover. 1:06:06.320 --> 1:06:08.520 I think Cash Battel will be out next year. 1:06:08.800 --> 1:06:11.920 Yeah, I think Cash might have Yeah, might be on 1:06:11.960 --> 1:06:13.920 the edge of his lost the podcast price. 1:06:14.160 --> 1:06:16.000 He just found the Jasics pipe bomber. I don't think 1:06:16.000 --> 1:06:16.640 it's gonna happen. 1:06:16.680 --> 1:06:18.680 I think the cabinet's gonna stay the same, which I 1:06:18.720 --> 1:06:23.200 predicted against last year. But I think based on how 1:06:23.240 --> 1:06:28.240 they've weathered certain controversies, I do not know if Trump 1:06:28.440 --> 1:06:31.160 cares enough to do cabinet turnover. 1:06:31.520 --> 1:06:34.360 Yeah who I was talking to him about these things. Yeah, 1:06:34.440 --> 1:06:36.200 well see, I don't there's no one that I think 1:06:36.280 --> 1:06:40.080 is an obvious choice. I think the likeliest turnover is Paatel. 1:06:40.080 --> 1:06:41.240 Then maybe hag Seth. 1:06:41.640 --> 1:06:43.720 I don't think he's gonna go I think heg Seth 1:06:43.840 --> 1:06:47.560 is too loyal. He's a he's a team player, sure, 1:06:47.880 --> 1:06:50.480 and he has absolutely no chance of going into business 1:06:50.480 --> 1:06:51.439 for himself. Right. 1:06:51.640 --> 1:06:54.000 This is the big thing is that it's not a 1:06:54.120 --> 1:06:58.240 skiller competency that got these people their jobs, which you know, 1:06:58.240 --> 1:07:00.360 it's kind of kind of was a factor in Trump 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:02.560 one point zero, in Trump two point zero. 1:07:02.600 --> 1:07:04.160 It is just pure loyalty. 1:07:04.440 --> 1:07:05.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:07.480 And if they're able to prove that, especially around like 1:07:07.480 --> 1:07:13.360 you know, the Epstein stuff really really tested those those loyalties. Yes, 1:07:13.800 --> 1:07:16.240 And if they're able to get out of the Epstein controversy, 1:07:16.520 --> 1:07:18.840 it's like kind of intact, then I think all these 1:07:18.840 --> 1:07:21.320 guys will be set for like the next next little bed. 1:07:21.680 --> 1:07:23.920 I guess, do we think Vance is ever going to 1:07:23.960 --> 1:07:26.600 become a president during the next like year or two? 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:30.240 Trump is like eighties, So I'm not gonna say there's 1:07:30.440 --> 1:07:33.240 not a twenty or thirty percent chance that just like 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:36.040 if Donald Trump dies, Vance becomes the president, right, sure, 1:07:36.080 --> 1:07:37.920 and like he's at the age where he could just 1:07:38.000 --> 1:07:41.640 drop dead right outside of that, No, I don't think 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:42.880 he's likely to become president. 1:07:42.960 --> 1:07:47.000 Yeah, I do think in the next twelve months the 1:07:47.160 --> 1:07:51.280 US will begin a UAV campaign in the sahell quite 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:53.960 possibly in Nigeria, Like, I think, yeah, that's possibly in 1:07:53.960 --> 1:07:56.880 the next twelve weeks, just looking at flights that they've 1:07:56.880 --> 1:07:57.800 had very recently. 1:07:58.120 --> 1:08:00.920 There's a decent chance too that they expanding the use 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:04.800 of special forces and maybe even keep fobs open without 1:08:04.840 --> 1:08:08.520 the willingness of the Nigerian government. But that's a longer shot. Yeah, 1:08:08.560 --> 1:08:12.320 and the Nigerian government's pretty pretty into it right now. Yeah. 1:08:12.440 --> 1:08:13.960 Do you think they're going to put troops in the 1:08:14.000 --> 1:08:16.480 ground at either Mexico or Venezuela. 1:08:16.520 --> 1:08:20.240 I think there's a good chance that we utilize special 1:08:20.320 --> 1:08:23.519 forces on the ground in parts of Mexico for brief 1:08:23.560 --> 1:08:27.040 periods of time. That's a good chance that we already have. Yeah, 1:08:27.040 --> 1:08:29.760 I mean we almost certainly already have. I think there's 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:32.040 a chance that we wind up having people on the 1:08:32.080 --> 1:08:34.840 ground in Venezuela after a fuck up, right, Like, but 1:08:34.920 --> 1:08:37.600 I think that at present their plan is airstrikes and 1:08:37.640 --> 1:08:40.280 drone strikes. I think if we were to wind up 1:08:40.320 --> 1:08:42.519 having anything on the ground in Venezuela, it would be 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:45.280 as a result of like a strike with a manned 1:08:45.320 --> 1:08:49.240 craft going badly and someone going down over Venezuela. That's 1:08:49.240 --> 1:08:51.920 not a zero percent chance if they keep fucking around. 1:08:51.920 --> 1:08:54.639 But I really don't think they want to have troops 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:56.599 on the ground in Venezuela. I think they want to 1:08:56.600 --> 1:08:58.480 be striking targets in Venezuela. 1:08:58.600 --> 1:09:00.800 Yeah, it's not a place where they want. You want 1:09:00.840 --> 1:09:03.080 lad to them by the troops to be to be 1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:06.559 engaging like that wouldn't go well. Trump does not want 1:09:06.600 --> 1:09:09.439 to wear that, right, like if we saw in Syria, 1:09:10.000 --> 1:09:13.160 like he wasn't willing to deploy large now with the troops. 1:09:13.200 --> 1:09:17.040 He was willing to use a lot of drone and 1:09:17.120 --> 1:09:20.280 air strikes even when the civilian cost was very high. 1:09:20.320 --> 1:09:22.600 And I think that is the model, Like that that 1:09:22.720 --> 1:09:25.719 strike cell model that we saw, like like the strike 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:27.519 in Bagus at the end of the Islamic State is 1:09:27.520 --> 1:09:30.479 probably a good example of the sort of yeah quote 1:09:30.560 --> 1:09:33.559 unquote collateral damage like killing civilians that we can expect 1:09:33.640 --> 1:09:34.960 them to see as acceptable. 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:36.960 I think the final point on this is that the 1:09:36.960 --> 1:09:41.000 Trump administration genuinely believes that they can top of visions 1:09:41.040 --> 1:09:42.519 with their strikes. They thought they thought this with the 1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:44.720 who the US and they think there's buff Venezuela. They 1:09:44.920 --> 1:09:47.360 actually think you can do this despite all evidence of 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:50.080 the contrary. So I think it's going to inform a 1:09:50.080 --> 1:09:51.000 lot of their decisions. 1:09:51.200 --> 1:09:53.840 Yeah, and I think Syria like kind of not not 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:58.599 Syria with a sad but Syria with the Islamic State reinforced. 1:09:57.439 --> 1:09:58.000 That for them. 1:09:58.160 --> 1:10:01.000 But like the obviously overlooking like that they have incredible potnafource, 1:10:01.080 --> 1:10:02.719 so they don't have in these places. 1:10:03.240 --> 1:10:06.840 Yeah, well, I think that's our predictions. First time we're 1:10:06.840 --> 1:10:08.519 not doing a desk segment. And you know what, I 1:10:08.600 --> 1:10:12.800 feel fine a that Yep, no one's gonna die twenty 1:10:12.880 --> 1:10:13.759 twenty seven, Marcy. 1:10:13.800 --> 1:10:15.200 Yeah, still I'm not going to say it this time 1:10:15.240 --> 1:10:18.160 because I've been in adversually blessing him with long life. 1:10:28.960 --> 1:10:32.000 Welcome back to it could happen here, a podcast about 1:10:32.120 --> 1:10:36.840 it happening well in various places, and given the nature 1:10:36.960 --> 1:10:41.040 of our digital, interconnected society, it is happening here all 1:10:41.160 --> 1:10:44.080 the time. But if you're even casually aware of what's 1:10:44.120 --> 1:10:46.600 going on in the world right now, it is particularly 1:10:46.720 --> 1:10:50.479 happening in Venezuela right now. And joining me to talk 1:10:50.640 --> 1:10:56.000 about the US led and executed kidnapping of a world 1:10:56.080 --> 1:11:00.920 leader is my two favorite kidnappers, Mia Wong and James Stout. 1:11:01.600 --> 1:11:03.879 Glad to be herero but joining you to discuss kidnapping, 1:11:03.920 --> 1:11:04.920 one of my favorite topics. 1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:07.479 Yeah, my lawyers have advised me not to respond to 1:11:07.560 --> 1:11:08.040 the statement. 1:11:10.560 --> 1:11:13.320 Now, given all the people you both kidnapped, how are 1:11:13.360 --> 1:11:16.479 you just rating this on a technical level as kidnappings go, 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:21.000 you know, on a level from let's say, uh, the well, 1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:22.960 if I remember the name of that guy with the plane, 1:11:23.000 --> 1:11:24.720 this would have been a funnier joke. I forgot his 1:11:24.880 --> 1:11:28.040 name though, No, no, no, he was on a plane, 1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:28.960 didn't have a plane. 1:11:29.000 --> 1:11:32.120 Yeah, that's a reverse kidnapping. He kidnapped me, he did 1:11:32.240 --> 1:11:36.000 on kidnap himself everyone on the plane plane. 1:11:37.240 --> 1:11:39.880 I was talking about Lindberg, Charles Lindberg. But the jokes, 1:11:40.040 --> 1:11:44.080 the joke's over. So let's talk about the international crimes 1:11:44.200 --> 1:11:47.320 our government's doing. Yeah, did, did and doing. 1:11:48.160 --> 1:11:50.000 I'm drinking a white claw, so I've got about the 1:11:50.040 --> 1:11:52.320 same legal jurisdiction as they have, because there is no 1:11:52.560 --> 1:11:55.519 law when you're drinking white yeah, which I think is 1:11:55.640 --> 1:11:56.519 the legal argument. 1:11:57.400 --> 1:12:01.040 I mean, yeah, So what happened is is, while most 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:05.280 of us were asleep last Saturday night, the United States, 1:12:05.600 --> 1:12:09.080 using a mix of special forces like Tier one operators. 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:12.920 This was like adulta force operation, primarily a whole bunch 1:12:13.240 --> 1:12:16.680 of helicopters that looked like a mix of Blackhawks and Chinooks. 1:12:17.280 --> 1:12:21.280 Carried out a series of airstrikes on Caracas, and kidnapped 1:12:21.479 --> 1:12:26.040 the president of Venezuela, Nicholas Maduro, and his wife, killing 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:29.640 a significant chunk of their security detail, including thirty two 1:12:29.720 --> 1:12:34.439 Cubans who were acting as essentially like military advisors slash 1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:38.519 security for Maduro. Yeah, he has been taken back to 1:12:38.560 --> 1:12:42.120 the United States. He's been arraigned in New York. They're 1:12:42.200 --> 1:12:46.320 charging him with a variety of drug and gun related crimes, 1:12:46.400 --> 1:12:49.120 including some weird shit like possession of a machine gun 1:12:49.800 --> 1:12:52.920 under US law, which is really weird. I guess they're 1:12:53.000 --> 1:12:56.680 arguing that his control of the Venezuelan military counted as 1:12:56.680 --> 1:13:00.439 a legal possession of an automatic weapon. Yeah, it's weird. 1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:05.280 Yeah, And guessing it involves using the machine gun in 1:13:05.320 --> 1:13:09.160 the furtherance of another crime, because there are specific charges 1:13:09.320 --> 1:13:13.880 for like NFA violations related to drug things. Sure, but 1:13:14.000 --> 1:13:16.800 it still seems very weird to tag that on there. 1:13:16.920 --> 1:13:19.439 Like when what you're doing is kidnapping a world leader, 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:20.880 you can't just also be like, oh, and he's got 1:13:20.880 --> 1:13:23.880 a gun, like when he commands the armed forces of 1:13:23.920 --> 1:13:25.840 a country. It's very strange, right. 1:13:26.160 --> 1:13:26.360 Yeah. 1:13:26.960 --> 1:13:29.719 This also I think pins into what's really really weird 1:13:29.760 --> 1:13:32.120 about this. There's two aspects of this that are just 1:13:32.360 --> 1:13:35.800 what the fuck. One of them is that the legal justification, 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:40.080 this is given to Mike Lee from Secretary of State 1:13:40.120 --> 1:13:44.200 Mark or Rubio, was that the reason that there were 1:13:44.320 --> 1:13:50.480 airstrikes in the legal justification was protecting US soldiers carrying. 1:13:50.640 --> 1:13:53.800 Out the US law enforcement. The military was needed to 1:13:53.960 --> 1:13:58.400 protect the DEA agents who are actually conducting the arrest, right, 1:13:58.520 --> 1:13:59.760 is the legal justification. 1:14:00.160 --> 1:14:04.240 Yeah, the chances of some kind of due process violation 1:14:04.479 --> 1:14:08.479 are hot. This all hinges on you thinking that the 1:14:08.600 --> 1:14:11.840 law is a fixed thing, right, not an instrument of 1:14:11.960 --> 1:14:13.960 the state and an instrument of power. And I think 1:14:14.439 --> 1:14:17.280 that a more plausible analysis here is is that the 1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:20.680 law is not a fixed thing. But like in this instance, right, 1:14:20.920 --> 1:14:22.760 if we if we go with that line, like the 1:14:23.479 --> 1:14:26.360 da people were there to ensure due process and to 1:14:26.479 --> 1:14:28.760 make the arrest right. And in theory I've read that 1:14:28.840 --> 1:14:32.479 they literally had someone mirandize him, right. 1:14:32.800 --> 1:14:34.600 Yeah, which, okay, I want to I do want to 1:14:34.600 --> 1:14:36.000 put someth the think cure though, and this is something 1:14:36.040 --> 1:14:37.920 that CNN like when they were reporting on this point. 1:14:37.960 --> 1:14:42.479 So this is insane because this implies that US law 1:14:42.640 --> 1:14:44.720 applies in Venezuela. 1:14:44.360 --> 1:14:47.080 Right, which is absolutely that's. 1:14:47.280 --> 1:14:50.400 Literally the point. The point of a state is that 1:14:50.520 --> 1:14:52.920 your law applies inside of your board. 1:14:53.120 --> 1:14:57.439 The argument that they are making because Trump directly and 1:14:57.800 --> 1:15:01.600 and prior to this had called in to relevance the 1:15:01.720 --> 1:15:05.639 Monroe Doctrine, right, which is basically stating that everything happening 1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:08.639 in the Americas is the purview of the United States. 1:15:08.840 --> 1:15:11.840 This was initially and they're still arguing that it is 1:15:12.040 --> 1:15:14.680 kind of a what President Monroe was using as an 1:15:14.720 --> 1:15:20.519 excuse for intervening in situations where foreign colonizers were attempting 1:15:20.600 --> 1:15:24.400 to exert power and colonies they owned in the Americas 1:15:24.560 --> 1:15:27.439 or had owned in the Americas, right, And the US 1:15:27.560 --> 1:15:31.120 was basically saying, fuck you, this is our backyard, right. 1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:34.599 And I think the aru the argument that they're making 1:15:34.680 --> 1:15:39.000 now is that that's relevant because Iran and Russia and 1:15:39.200 --> 1:15:44.679 Cuba all have political and business interests in Venezuela, particularly Cuba. 1:15:46.120 --> 1:15:48.599 But in a more broad sense, they're making the argument 1:15:48.760 --> 1:15:52.040 and Stephen Miller has made this very directly, that the 1:15:52.120 --> 1:15:55.679 Americas are all kind of our property, and we're perfectly 1:15:55.920 --> 1:15:59.880 justified in intervening to take resources that we want, because 1:16:00.000 --> 1:16:02.799 we shouldn't have to just accept that a foreign country 1:16:02.840 --> 1:16:05.479 has different opinions and how those resources should be used 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:10.200 in the United States, and that we have no moral 1:16:10.280 --> 1:16:15.200 responsibility to listen to what other people want in our hemisphere. 1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:19.000 It's our hemisphere. Yeah, and we, meaning the Trump administration, 1:16:19.160 --> 1:16:20.439 should do whatever we want. 1:16:21.040 --> 1:16:21.240 Yeah. 1:16:21.280 --> 1:16:23.639 And I think there's two kind of lego pspective here 1:16:23.680 --> 1:16:25.519 things that are important. One. I think there's that one, 1:16:25.560 --> 1:16:28.400 which is, yeah, the American Empire is just saying we 1:16:28.439 --> 1:16:30.000 are an empire and we could do whatever we want. 1:16:30.439 --> 1:16:32.519 But then there's also the does the president have the 1:16:32.520 --> 1:16:35.720 power to do this unilaterally piece of it which no, 1:16:35.880 --> 1:16:39.400 he no, like just does not, Like this is objectively 1:16:39.439 --> 1:16:42.280 an act of war. Right, and previously right, A lot 1:16:42.280 --> 1:16:45.240 of administrations have done things kind of like this, yeah, right, 1:16:45.439 --> 1:16:48.720 but like everything has been under the fig leaf of 1:16:49.000 --> 1:16:51.880 the AUMF. Right, the two thousand and one Authorization of 1:16:52.000 --> 1:16:54.640 Use of Military Force, which if you go back and 1:16:54.680 --> 1:16:58.760 read the document, the actual like AUMF, it's very clear 1:16:58.840 --> 1:17:01.320 that it's anyone who's really to nine to eleven. Yeah, 1:17:02.080 --> 1:17:04.120 and so this has been used to do interventions in 1:17:04.240 --> 1:17:06.240 like places and things that have nothing to do with this, right, 1:17:06.280 --> 1:17:09.880 But this is not even that. This is just the 1:17:10.080 --> 1:17:13.880 president claiming that he can do acts of war. 1:17:14.680 --> 1:17:17.200 Yeah, and so I guess the justification that they gave 1:17:17.800 --> 1:17:20.840 was the example they cited was Nadiego right in eighty 1:17:21.320 --> 1:17:25.400 nine in Panama. Right, that was that was a war 1:17:25.840 --> 1:17:29.960 that was operations, like American soldiers died, and no Diego 1:17:30.280 --> 1:17:32.560 went to the Vatican embassy and eventually I believe he 1:17:32.600 --> 1:17:35.599 surrounded him. They've like blasted you two at him, which 1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:39.840 is obviously a war crime, and he eventually left the 1:17:39.920 --> 1:17:42.800 embassy around negotiated his exit, I guess. But that's a 1:17:42.880 --> 1:17:47.280 completely different thing to just bouncing into the residence of 1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:49.879 the president of another country at nine black backg. 1:17:49.880 --> 1:17:54.799 Like that's also debatably legal. But yes, it was a difference, Yeah. 1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:55.479 Very very very much. 1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:59.120 So yes, yeah, No, it's also wrong, like we're not 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:02.720 defending what was done there. Yeah, I know, this is 1:18:02.920 --> 1:18:06.360 even more blatant, right, It's like it's not defending what 1:18:06.520 --> 1:18:08.920 George W. Bush did in Iraq. To be like at 1:18:09.000 --> 1:18:12.760 least they bothered to pretend there was a justificate, like 1:18:12.840 --> 1:18:16.760 they spent some time really cooking up a justification and 1:18:16.920 --> 1:18:19.280 some effort, and there's none of that here. They just 1:18:19.320 --> 1:18:22.120 don't give a shit anymore. Right, That's that you're not 1:18:22.360 --> 1:18:24.960 being like and that means it was okay, what Bush did, 1:18:25.000 --> 1:18:27.639 You're just pointing out it's even more mask off now, right. 1:18:28.040 --> 1:18:30.200 Yeah, Well, and I think it is different than that, 1:18:30.320 --> 1:18:33.760 Like the invasion of a rock involved Congress. This is 1:18:34.040 --> 1:18:37.679 just Trump going I can do this, right, And that's 1:18:38.280 --> 1:18:41.559 really fucking alarming. Yeah, that he just is like, yeah, 1:18:41.640 --> 1:18:43.839 fuck it, I could just do a war now completely 1:18:44.120 --> 1:18:46.200 by myself. None of you have any fucking power war 1:18:46.280 --> 1:18:48.640 for me. I can just declare war a thing that 1:18:48.920 --> 1:18:52.800 is explicitly in the constitution, like supposed to be Congress's job. 1:18:53.479 --> 1:18:57.000 And I think that's really That's another very allwering part 1:18:57.000 --> 1:18:59.519 of this, because this is I think by far the 1:18:59.680 --> 1:19:03.240 most just Trump pure dictatorshit that we've seen so far. 1:19:03.400 --> 1:19:06.639 It's not being treated like that, yeah, because a lot 1:19:06.720 --> 1:19:09.240 of sort of like I don't know that there's a 1:19:09.280 --> 1:19:12.439 lot of people who wanted this something like this to happen, 1:19:13.040 --> 1:19:15.560 and so they're kind of just not looking at the 1:19:15.680 --> 1:19:20.920 fact that this is just this is just pure dictatorship shit. 1:19:21.280 --> 1:19:23.200 Yeah. I think a lot of people, because they didn't 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:26.439 like Maduro, right, they're waiting to look aside from yeah, 1:19:26.560 --> 1:19:28.400 the means as long as they get the ends they want. 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:31.560 But the means are extremely serious here. Yeah, And I 1:19:32.240 --> 1:19:34.560 think we should acknowledge, like, stop for a second to 1:19:34.600 --> 1:19:38.880 talk about the Maduro of it all, because my stance 1:19:39.040 --> 1:19:44.080 is that his legitimacy as president, his personal legitimacy, whether 1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:46.640 or not he's committed crimes, are all completely irrelevant, right. 1:19:47.120 --> 1:19:49.599 I have not any of my public facing statements I've 1:19:49.600 --> 1:19:52.439 been in the past years ago talked about how I 1:19:52.520 --> 1:19:55.839 wish the protests had worked to remove him from office 1:19:56.280 --> 1:19:59.920 within sort of like the context of Venezuelan's actually having 1:20:00.080 --> 1:20:02.720 their way kicking him out and replacing him with something better. 1:20:03.160 --> 1:20:04.960 But I have not brought up any of that in 1:20:05.040 --> 1:20:09.000 the context of what's happened recently because it doesn't matter, right, Like, fundamentally, 1:20:09.120 --> 1:20:12.920 it doesn't matter if Maduro is like completely legitimately elected 1:20:12.960 --> 1:20:16.640 and the people's hero or a complete fraud and an authoritarian. 1:20:17.160 --> 1:20:20.000 That has nothing to do with whether or not the 1:20:20.160 --> 1:20:23.920 US has any illegal or moral justification for coming in 1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:27.759 arresting this guy and then saying we own the country 1:20:28.160 --> 1:20:33.719 and we don't. It's dictator shit, it's fascist, it's deeply wrong. 1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:36.680 It's bad. Like, there's nothing else to say. If you 1:20:36.800 --> 1:20:39.639 find anyone getting caught in starting to be like, well, 1:20:39.720 --> 1:20:42.360 but you know, Maduro did this. Maduro did that. That 1:20:42.560 --> 1:20:45.080 is either a person who is acting in bad faith 1:20:45.240 --> 1:20:48.040 or a person who has themselves been tricked, right, because 1:20:48.360 --> 1:20:51.120 you don't need to discuss any of that. None of 1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:54.040 that is relevant to what we're talking about here, which 1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:56.840 is that the US, like this is a violation of 1:20:57.320 --> 1:20:59.880 international law and all of the kinds of norms that 1:21:00.040 --> 1:21:02.240 we attempted to put in place after World War two 1:21:02.680 --> 1:21:05.120 to stop another catastrophe like that from happening. And it 1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:09.120 is only going to embolden the worst instincts of both 1:21:09.280 --> 1:21:11.519 the people running the United States right now. They will 1:21:11.560 --> 1:21:14.040 continue to try to do shit like this, and it's 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:16.559 going to embolden the worst instincts of other leaders around 1:21:16.600 --> 1:21:19.360 the world. It is comprehensively bad for everyone. 1:21:19.920 --> 1:21:23.200 The comprehensive result of this is again that the US 1:21:23.880 --> 1:21:28.400 has annexed I guess Venezuela that Trump is claiming that 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:33.439 he personally and his Secretary of State and his council 1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:38.360 of advisors are like now control and run a country. 1:21:38.760 --> 1:21:38.920 Yep. 1:21:39.560 --> 1:21:41.200 This is so evil. 1:21:41.439 --> 1:21:43.920 Yeah, and it's very unclear who's going to be doing 1:21:43.960 --> 1:21:48.160 Because Trump made those that statement, Rubio walked it back 1:21:48.280 --> 1:21:50.400 a little bit and said that, like, well, we'll be 1:21:50.479 --> 1:21:54.439 working with the administration in place, which is, by the way, 1:21:54.640 --> 1:21:57.320 just the same administration that existed before, merely with the 1:21:57.400 --> 1:21:59.080 vice president taking on the role of president. 1:21:59.280 --> 1:22:00.800 Yeah, a little bit. 1:22:01.000 --> 1:22:04.320 Yeah, after that backtracked a little bit too, to try 1:22:04.360 --> 1:22:06.840 and be more in line with the Boss. But it's 1:22:07.000 --> 1:22:11.599 very unclear what they actually intend and what they mean 1:22:11.800 --> 1:22:15.080 by saying we're running it, because from what I've read, 1:22:15.640 --> 1:22:18.599 it doesn't look like Rubio is actually going to be mannered. 1:22:18.640 --> 1:22:21.160 Like while he's been the guy taking point on justifying this, 1:22:21.360 --> 1:22:23.479 I don't think he's going to actually be managing any 1:22:23.520 --> 1:22:25.720 of this on a day to day basis. He's got 1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:29.120 a lot on his plate already. Stephen Miller seems to 1:22:29.200 --> 1:22:31.439 be the guy who is trying to position himself to 1:22:31.760 --> 1:22:36.040 actually be the Paul Brimmer in this situation. Who is 1:22:36.080 --> 1:22:38.320 the guy that the Bush administration put in charge of 1:22:38.800 --> 1:22:41.160 dealing with of like running a rack after it was 1:22:41.240 --> 1:22:41.680 taken over. 1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:42.800 Yeah, the viceroy. 1:22:43.120 --> 1:22:43.360 Yeah. 1:22:43.920 --> 1:22:49.320 And it's unclear what is Miller going to get that job? 1:22:49.680 --> 1:22:53.080 Will Rubio wind up doing it. It's looking more like 1:22:53.240 --> 1:22:55.519 Miller right now. But also to what extent will that 1:22:55.680 --> 1:22:59.519 job actually be running things? And you know, we'll talk 1:22:59.560 --> 1:23:02.280 about that and a little bit, I'm sure. But the 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:05.880 kind of cliffs notes of the situation is that there 1:23:06.000 --> 1:23:10.080 is evidence that came out right after the kidnapping that 1:23:10.439 --> 1:23:15.760 Baduro's vice president had reached out to the United States previously, 1:23:16.240 --> 1:23:20.000 like before the kidnapping, to talk about the possibility of 1:23:20.479 --> 1:23:24.280 taking over the country after giving Maduro up or him 1:23:24.680 --> 1:23:28.000 having a managed exile. All of that was discussed, and 1:23:28.520 --> 1:23:31.200 at least per the reporting on it, she was turned 1:23:31.280 --> 1:23:34.320 down by the United States because they thought they had 1:23:34.360 --> 1:23:38.760 a better option, and that option seems to have fallen through, 1:23:39.040 --> 1:23:43.760 largely because the quote unquote democratically elected opposition leader who 1:23:43.840 --> 1:23:47.120 won a Nobel prize pissed off Trump. It's unclear how 1:23:47.200 --> 1:23:50.000 accurate that is that by you know, by winning the price, 1:23:50.280 --> 1:23:54.000 by accepting the Nobel Prize, did she get kick herself 1:23:54.040 --> 1:23:57.160 out of the job. That's what some reporting has suggested. 1:23:57.400 --> 1:24:01.320 It's unclear to me how true that actually is. Seems possible, surely, 1:24:01.800 --> 1:24:03.960 but at the end of the day, there was this 1:24:04.080 --> 1:24:06.840 offer made by Maduro's VP that was turned down by 1:24:06.880 --> 1:24:09.800 the US, and now it seems like, although we don't 1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:12.320 actually know what's happened to the background, it seems like 1:24:12.920 --> 1:24:15.760 she's who we're working with. So either they came back 1:24:15.840 --> 1:24:18.120 and said, you know, it will take the deal, or 1:24:18.840 --> 1:24:22.920 something else is going on. But she has both made 1:24:23.000 --> 1:24:26.360 the statements publicly that like, this is illegal, the United 1:24:26.400 --> 1:24:30.520 States is run by a group of criminals and extremists, 1:24:30.960 --> 1:24:31.640 and also but. 1:24:31.680 --> 1:24:32.439 We'll work with them. 1:24:32.880 --> 1:24:35.400 So it does kind of seem to me like she made, 1:24:35.520 --> 1:24:37.120 in fact, be very much in bed with the Trump 1:24:37.160 --> 1:24:42.240 administration and just trying to like massage this for her public, 1:24:42.560 --> 1:24:45.120 you know, because there's only so much you can get 1:24:45.160 --> 1:24:46.360 away with. I don't know. 1:24:46.640 --> 1:24:49.240 Yeah, just to be clear on the timeline, Robert, Yeah, 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:53.639 the first reporting of that, like Rodriguez option, we want 1:24:53.640 --> 1:24:56.400 to call it out a yeah, they call it as well, 1:24:56.840 --> 1:25:02.400 was in October. That was out before or the strike happened, right, 1:25:02.520 --> 1:25:06.040 and at least in the Miami Herald's story. They suggested 1:25:06.080 --> 1:25:09.040 that he had been part of that, so this could 1:25:09.040 --> 1:25:11.000 be a different thing, but that he had offered to 1:25:11.000 --> 1:25:13.040 step down over years, right. 1:25:13.640 --> 1:25:15.160 Yeah, so to say, it looked like there was a 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:17.200 period of time where he was talking about like a 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:20.759 managed exit. Yeah, I been going to Kato or Turkey 1:25:20.960 --> 1:25:21.560 or something like that. 1:25:22.000 --> 1:25:22.200 Yeah. 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:26.000 Now Rodriguez US of course denied that. But what would 1:25:26.000 --> 1:25:29.720 you expect Dlsey Rodriguez And yeah, it's unclear. Again, we 1:25:29.760 --> 1:25:33.120 don't really know. Did they just remove Maduro without having 1:25:33.200 --> 1:25:36.200 a plan and hadn't really finished talking with her or 1:25:36.240 --> 1:25:38.120 worked something out. It was the last thing that she 1:25:38.320 --> 1:25:41.120 heard from them, them saying nah, we won't take this option, right, 1:25:41.240 --> 1:25:43.920 and then Maduro gets kidnapped. Did they work out a 1:25:44.000 --> 1:25:46.120 separate deal that just hasn't been reported on. We actually 1:25:46.240 --> 1:25:49.880 don't know. And I could totally see her being a 1:25:50.000 --> 1:25:53.800 stooge for US action here because it keeps her in 1:25:53.960 --> 1:25:57.559 power and it keeps her safe because Trump very recently 1:25:57.640 --> 1:26:00.599 threatened her, like after she made statements calling his team 1:26:00.640 --> 1:26:03.200 a bunch of extremists, she backpedaled and said, actually, if 1:26:03.240 --> 1:26:05.280 we're where, well in to work with the US because 1:26:05.320 --> 1:26:07.000 Trump said I'll do something worse to you than I 1:26:07.080 --> 1:26:10.000 did to him. Like, we don't know if they actually 1:26:10.200 --> 1:26:15.360 ironed out a set of responsibilities and obligations in bath channels, 1:26:15.560 --> 1:26:18.120 or if we just remove a duro and are like, 1:26:18.160 --> 1:26:19.599 all right, well, if we have to kill her, we'll 1:26:19.680 --> 1:26:22.280 kill her too. Like it's unclear what actually happened there. 1:26:22.840 --> 1:26:25.600 Yeah, yeah, so we should also mention So this is 1:26:25.680 --> 1:26:29.120 being recorded on the night of Monday, January fifth. You're right, 1:26:29.400 --> 1:26:33.320 every kind of six or eight hours, new conflicting information 1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:37.040 from the Trump administration about what their plan is comes out, right, 1:26:37.520 --> 1:26:40.160 which which leads me to suspect they don't have a 1:26:40.200 --> 1:26:44.320 plan at all. Yeah, because it keeps changing every couple 1:26:44.400 --> 1:26:48.280 of hours. So I don't know. But but in case, 1:26:48.360 --> 1:26:50.720 by the time this comes out, there is some kind 1:26:50.800 --> 1:26:54.400 of public deal that's been worked out. That's what's going on. 1:26:54.560 --> 1:26:56.439 This is all changing extremely rapidly. 1:26:57.000 --> 1:27:01.000 Yeah, right, And you know what else changes rapidly, The 1:27:01.120 --> 1:27:15.360 economics of podcasting. Yeah, here's some of that. This white 1:27:15.400 --> 1:27:19.479 coase working foul, and we're back. James is drinking a 1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:22.920 bad white claw, which is really I think the information 1:27:23.040 --> 1:27:26.760 our audience is most interested in, you know, invasions of Venezuela, 1:27:26.920 --> 1:27:29.720 come and go. The US kidnaps people all the time. 1:27:30.320 --> 1:27:32.800 But James drinking a bad white claw. Let's let's let's 1:27:32.880 --> 1:27:36.120 actually really check it, James, what's the flavor you're you're 1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:37.280 experiencing right now? 1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:40.000 Let me getting updated to that. That is green apple? 1:27:40.360 --> 1:27:45.240 Green apple? M oh boy, Yeah, yeah, it's it's foul. 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:47.759 I wouldn't recommend it. You're in the market. 1:27:47.920 --> 1:27:51.720 Yeah, that sounds awful. Don't do it to you. So, yeah, 1:27:51.880 --> 1:27:55.559 it's really the having Delta Force kidnap you from your 1:27:55.600 --> 1:27:57.080 house of beverages. 1:27:56.800 --> 1:27:59.720 Which yeah, absolutely, uh huh, that's how they market it. 1:27:59.720 --> 1:28:03.120 Actually weird. That's on the can right right. They must 1:28:03.120 --> 1:28:06.320 have got advance warning like the time. Yeah, what did 1:28:06.360 --> 1:28:07.720 they know and when did they know it? 1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:08.640 We'll never know. 1:28:11.400 --> 1:28:14.720 So let's keep talking about Venezuela. Yeah, we should talk 1:28:14.720 --> 1:28:20.040 about who Rodriguezez. Yeah, so Vegez was vice president. Now 1:28:20.320 --> 1:28:22.479 she is president or will be sworn in as president. 1:28:22.520 --> 1:28:24.519 I believe she may have already been sworn hi by 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:27.080 the time you hear this. She was sworn in I 1:28:27.160 --> 1:28:29.320 think like a couple hours ago. For the last article 1:28:29.360 --> 1:28:29.599 I read. 1:28:29.760 --> 1:28:33.280 So her father was a Marxist Gorilla. Her father kidnapped 1:28:33.280 --> 1:28:37.040 an American businessman, was arrested and then murdered, like torture 1:28:37.080 --> 1:28:39.839 to death. Yeah, as part of the quote unquote investigation 1:28:39.920 --> 1:28:42.280 into that. Right, her and her brother are kind of 1:28:42.400 --> 1:28:47.000 like a power block in Venezuelan politic She has really 1:28:47.040 --> 1:28:50.200 become more relevant, I guess nationally since my daughter, like 1:28:50.320 --> 1:28:53.600 she did do some stuff with Chavis early on, but 1:28:53.720 --> 1:28:57.439 like clash with him personally, and I guess allegedly, I 1:28:57.520 --> 1:29:00.920 mean I wasn't there, but Chavez didn't like that she 1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:03.720 wasn't deferential to him and at one point sent her 1:29:03.800 --> 1:29:05.280 home from her but I think they were in Russia 1:29:05.320 --> 1:29:07.439 and he sent her home from a a sort of 1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:10.800 mission that they were doing their diplomatic mission. Since then, 1:29:11.360 --> 1:29:14.360 she is assuming a number of roles in Venezuelan government 1:29:14.680 --> 1:29:17.280 from since twenty thirteen right when Mondora came to power, 1:29:17.920 --> 1:29:21.599 to include overseeing intelligence at some time, and she has 1:29:21.720 --> 1:29:25.760 now become obviously president. Right, she has previously worked with 1:29:25.880 --> 1:29:28.800 like the Venezuelan I guess the analogy would be like 1:29:28.920 --> 1:29:32.600 Chamber of Commerce, which had previously been seen by like 1:29:32.800 --> 1:29:35.599 Chubby Small as like a bourgeois enter die the enemy. Right, 1:29:35.840 --> 1:29:39.040 She has shown willingness to work with business, So I 1:29:39.080 --> 1:29:43.080 do wonder if that factors into the US analysis, Like, 1:29:43.720 --> 1:29:45.880 if she's willing to work with what it looks like 1:29:45.920 --> 1:29:47.800 the oil companies that they want her to work with, 1:29:48.040 --> 1:29:50.599 then then they can overlook a whole lot of other stuff, right, 1:29:50.760 --> 1:29:54.200 which has historically been how the US has approached places 1:29:54.240 --> 1:29:57.040 with oil. But yeah, in terms of this, I think 1:29:57.080 --> 1:30:01.400 that's probably the sort of TLDR on her career. And 1:30:01.479 --> 1:30:04.840 I think it is possible that she's willing to do 1:30:05.160 --> 1:30:08.000 some kind of chovies, more light, you know, whatever, we're 1:30:08.000 --> 1:30:12.679 going to call this and have us extractive capitalism exists 1:30:12.720 --> 1:30:16.360 so long as the regime continues to exist. But the 1:30:16.560 --> 1:30:18.560 way that would work is still something that like, I 1:30:18.640 --> 1:30:22.439 can't really get my head around for a regime which 1:30:22.439 --> 1:30:25.800 has made so much of its rhetorical legitimacy for so 1:30:26.040 --> 1:30:28.560 long attacking the United States. 1:30:28.800 --> 1:30:32.680 Right right, Yeah, And that's kind of I mean, that 1:30:32.800 --> 1:30:36.400 seems to be the quandary Delsea finds herself in is 1:30:37.200 --> 1:30:41.439 she both has to refer to what's happened accurately as 1:30:41.560 --> 1:30:46.719 kidnapping and the actions of an illegitimate and deeply corrupt regime, 1:30:47.360 --> 1:30:51.000 and also she can't act that way. If what we 1:30:51.120 --> 1:30:55.160 all think is accurate, she's basically acting as a negotiated 1:30:55.200 --> 1:30:58.599 buppet of the United States. She can only go so far, 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:02.120 and I feel like she's trapped in kind of a 1:31:02.320 --> 1:31:06.240 doomed situation, which may be part of what our administration 1:31:06.400 --> 1:31:11.160 intends is for her to be fundamentally doomed and fail 1:31:11.400 --> 1:31:16.679 and get cooed herself, or you know, we can replace 1:31:16.760 --> 1:31:20.240 her when there's protests against legitimacy. Like, I don't know 1:31:20.320 --> 1:31:23.280 what exactly the game is here, but I think that 1:31:23.520 --> 1:31:26.800 may be something that was baked into the equation that like, 1:31:27.160 --> 1:31:32.120 this is not a functional situation for her, and when 1:31:32.240 --> 1:31:36.400 she gets forced out, that's something we can take advantage of. 1:31:37.400 --> 1:31:39.479 Yeah, has the reason of analysis, I think, I mean 1:31:39.520 --> 1:31:42.840 we Yeah, we could talk about the oil, right because 1:31:42.880 --> 1:31:44.200 Trump has been talking about the. 1:31:44.240 --> 1:31:47.960 Oil right yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I know you. 1:31:48.000 --> 1:31:50.519 Said you wanted to mention stuff about It's not what 1:31:50.760 --> 1:31:52.880 it might seem on the face of it, right, There 1:31:52.880 --> 1:31:54.599 aren't giant lakes of oil in Venezuela. 1:31:54.680 --> 1:31:56.000 You can just slop up and sell. 1:31:57.000 --> 1:32:00.920 Yeah, So okay, it's sort of different to explain this 1:32:01.040 --> 1:32:03.960 all without really getting into the weeds of like how 1:32:04.040 --> 1:32:08.519 oil production works, but there's different like qualities of crude oil. 1:32:09.160 --> 1:32:13.639 And most of the Venezuelan stuff is extremely sour. It's 1:32:14.080 --> 1:32:18.280 really really shit. It's extremely low quality. And when you 1:32:18.360 --> 1:32:23.120 have oil that's this shit, you can't like refine it 1:32:23.320 --> 1:32:26.240 into being good, right like that. That's just like not 1:32:26.320 --> 1:32:28.840 how the process works. It just sucks and so it 1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:32.280 burns badly. But there is a lot of it. And 1:32:33.360 --> 1:32:35.960 this also gets back to Okay, so the way that 1:32:36.040 --> 1:32:38.080 Trump thinks this is going to work is that a 1:32:38.120 --> 1:32:39.840 bunch of oil companies are going to come in, They're 1:32:39.840 --> 1:32:42.200 going to do a bunch of like infrastructure development or whatever. 1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:43.640 They're going to sell the oil and they're going to 1:32:43.680 --> 1:32:46.880 make one hundred billion dollars. That's not really how this works, 1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:49.599 as it is something that James has pointed out too. 1:32:49.720 --> 1:32:53.719 But like the actual value here is less from actually 1:32:53.920 --> 1:32:58.320 extracting the oil and more from a having all of 1:32:58.360 --> 1:33:02.880 these oil deposits on your balance and b there's a 1:33:03.040 --> 1:33:07.200 lot of value in just having power over it. 1:33:07.640 --> 1:33:07.880 Yeah. 1:33:08.360 --> 1:33:12.240 So okay, So oil prices are kind of they're set 1:33:12.280 --> 1:33:14.880 by a few things, Like the price of oil is 1:33:15.080 --> 1:33:17.200 set by the bottom of the market right. Part of 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:20.000 your profit comes from how much more cheaply can you 1:33:20.320 --> 1:33:24.120 refine and extract your oil relative to whoever's doing it 1:33:24.240 --> 1:33:26.560 the most expensively, like whoever's doing the shittiest job of it. 1:33:27.200 --> 1:33:28.679 But that a lot of it also is just power. 1:33:28.920 --> 1:33:32.000 That's what OPEC is, right, And OPEC's ability to raise 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:34.640 oil prices has to do with its ability to have 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:38.160 all of their member states controlling their oil and controlling 1:33:38.240 --> 1:33:41.720 the sort of flow and distribution of it. Redistributing who 1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:45.559 is in power into OPEC is actually a massive deal. 1:33:45.880 --> 1:33:50.280 Even if the actual oil here isn't very good, the 1:33:50.560 --> 1:33:56.439 power over the oil is extremely important. So this doesn't 1:33:56.640 --> 1:33:58.960 work in the way that Trump wants it to work, 1:33:59.080 --> 1:34:02.320 which is like, you know, you take the oil wells 1:34:02.400 --> 1:34:04.040 and you pump the oil out of the ground and 1:34:04.120 --> 1:34:09.120 suddenly you have money. But it is good for the 1:34:09.240 --> 1:34:11.160 oil companies that would take over the oil. 1:34:11.479 --> 1:34:15.519 Yeah, he consistently confuses stock price for like the economy 1:34:15.840 --> 1:34:18.200 slash it, business success slash other things. 1:34:18.360 --> 1:34:18.479 Right. 1:34:18.880 --> 1:34:20.880 Yeah, I guess one way to think about it is 1:34:20.920 --> 1:34:22.920 that like taking control of this oil, you're not really 1:34:23.000 --> 1:34:24.800 making the money off of this oil. You're making the 1:34:24.840 --> 1:34:27.080 money off of the impact controlling this oil has on 1:34:27.200 --> 1:34:28.479 the rest of the oil you produce. 1:34:29.080 --> 1:34:29.320 Yeah. 1:34:29.920 --> 1:34:33.280 Maybe if you're someone who sees international relations in terms 1:34:33.280 --> 1:34:35.800 of great power competition, you're trying to put things in 1:34:35.880 --> 1:34:38.479 the Russia China bucket or the America bucket. 1:34:38.680 --> 1:34:41.880 Yeah, and someone who sees trade, is this like zero 1:34:42.040 --> 1:34:45.760 sum game where one person wins and another person loses. Yeah, yeah, 1:34:45.880 --> 1:34:47.439 you know, like as drop does. 1:34:47.840 --> 1:34:48.000 Yes. 1:34:48.520 --> 1:34:51.200 And also it is worth mentioning that like a lot 1:34:51.280 --> 1:34:54.080 of this oil goes to Cuba, Yeah, which is really 1:34:54.160 --> 1:34:56.880 really important for the Cuban economy, which sort of can't 1:34:57.000 --> 1:35:01.240 function without the stock of of Venezuela and oil. Like, 1:35:01.240 --> 1:35:03.920 getting access to Venezuelan oil is one of the things 1:35:03.920 --> 1:35:06.879 that originally pulled Cuba out of the just hideous economic 1:35:06.920 --> 1:35:09.719 crisis they were in in the nineties Office of Union collapsed. 1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:10.080 Yeah. 1:35:10.520 --> 1:35:14.520 So it's why thirty two it seems like a majority 1:35:14.880 --> 1:35:18.080 or at least half of the security forces who died 1:35:18.200 --> 1:35:22.280 fighting the US and this kidnapping attempt were Cuban because 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:25.320 access to Venezuelan oil is an existential issue for the 1:35:25.360 --> 1:35:29.120 Cuban government. And it's also why Trump stated, unfortunately probably accurately, 1:35:29.840 --> 1:35:32.759 that they're not looking at regime change in Cuba because 1:35:32.760 --> 1:35:34.600 they think that the regime is going to collapse on 1:35:34.640 --> 1:35:39.000 its own, which it might, like this is an existential 1:35:39.080 --> 1:35:41.599 problem for the Cuban regime, but people. 1:35:41.439 --> 1:35:43.240 Who aren't aware. I spent a good amount of time 1:35:43.240 --> 1:35:46.840 in Caracas when I was much younger in Jeremian undergraduate 1:35:46.920 --> 1:35:50.839 years at university, and I remember the only medical professionals 1:35:50.880 --> 1:35:53.799 I ever saw because people had left right after Chinese 1:35:53.840 --> 1:35:56.040 mol and the only medical professionals I ever sawt were 1:35:56.080 --> 1:35:59.200 Cuban and Cuban doctor's roll over the world. One a 1:35:59.240 --> 1:36:02.640 Cub's biggest secon it is doctors. But like it was 1:36:02.880 --> 1:36:05.960 very clear at that time that like the two states 1:36:06.000 --> 1:36:08.320 were intermessed. You know that the Venezuela needs things to 1:36:08.400 --> 1:36:11.200 Cuba hads like those special military advisors and those doctors, 1:36:11.280 --> 1:36:13.800 and Cuban needs ink to Menezuela have like that oil. 1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:17.360 Yeah, and breaking that the way people normally see oil 1:36:17.360 --> 1:36:20.920 as oil is just like liquid cash, and that's not true. 1:36:21.160 --> 1:36:23.840 It matters the actual materiality of the oil and how 1:36:23.880 --> 1:36:25.640 it works in the extraction process, and what kind of 1:36:25.680 --> 1:36:28.040 oil is matters a lot. And this is a scenario 1:36:28.200 --> 1:36:33.639 where where the oil is going and who has control 1:36:33.760 --> 1:36:36.479 over it matters more than who's able to sell it, 1:36:36.760 --> 1:36:40.360 which is very weird, but is how this works. And 1:36:40.479 --> 1:36:43.360 Trump doesn't understand any of this. Maybe some of the 1:36:43.360 --> 1:36:47.200 people around him understand this, but Trump really just is 1:36:47.280 --> 1:36:50.439 in pure empire brain. They stole our stuff, which I 1:36:50.520 --> 1:36:53.479 assume someone who like wanted this told him, Oh, yeah, 1:36:53.520 --> 1:36:56.400 they stole a bunch of American oil and land, and 1:36:56.520 --> 1:36:58.639 now he's in just full empire mode. 1:36:59.160 --> 1:37:01.439 Yeah, I think just seeming someone has told him at 1:37:01.479 --> 1:37:02.919 some point they told us to offer. 1:37:03.360 --> 1:37:06.639 Well, yeah, and this is after the revolution. A bunch 1:37:06.760 --> 1:37:10.160 of what was like the property of US and foreign 1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:14.840 oil companies was nationalized, right because these companies had made 1:37:14.880 --> 1:37:19.519 deals with the corrupt previous regime and it was not 1:37:19.680 --> 1:37:23.760 really benefiting Venezuelans. Obviously that oil money has gone on 1:37:23.960 --> 1:37:27.160 to benefit the current corrupt regime and still not benefited 1:37:27.320 --> 1:37:31.000 Venezuelans much. But there was a period of time under 1:37:31.080 --> 1:37:34.880 Jabez in which like there were actual social benefits and 1:37:35.160 --> 1:37:38.519 a powerful state I was providing people with things, which 1:37:38.600 --> 1:37:40.840 is not to say it didn't have its flaws, but 1:37:41.000 --> 1:37:43.160 like there was a period of time in which there 1:37:43.280 --> 1:37:45.840 was a benefit to the average Venezuelan from the fact 1:37:45.840 --> 1:37:49.639 that their country was so oil rich, and nothing about 1:37:49.720 --> 1:37:51.960 the current situation is going to change positively for the 1:37:52.000 --> 1:37:54.559 average Venezuelan. The profits are going to go from being 1:37:54.640 --> 1:37:58.040 siphoned from one group to another, but neither of those 1:37:58.080 --> 1:37:59.640 groups are regular Venezuelans. 1:38:00.160 --> 1:38:04.080 Yeah, I think sometimes I will hear this. I have 1:38:04.560 --> 1:38:08.080 conservatively interviewed hundreds in not thousands of Venezuelan people in 1:38:08.120 --> 1:38:10.559 the last three or four years, right at the border 1:38:10.600 --> 1:38:14.240 in the Darien Gap in the US, remotely by telephone, 1:38:14.240 --> 1:38:17.439 et cetera. And like, sometimes you'll hear that like Chovers 1:38:17.560 --> 1:38:19.320 was trying to do something good and it got it 1:38:19.400 --> 1:38:22.240 went bad, or that like it was okay for a 1:38:22.320 --> 1:38:26.120 bit of the chothers and then the corruption got out 1:38:26.120 --> 1:38:28.000 of control, or even it was okay until my daughter 1:38:28.080 --> 1:38:30.840 took parent out. It was bad. It doesn't matter rate, 1:38:30.840 --> 1:38:34.960 it's bad now. But like the things that the poverty 1:38:35.040 --> 1:38:38.560 I hear about from Venezuelan people is grinding and it 1:38:38.720 --> 1:38:41.439 is so upsetting. Like I have the great fulness for 1:38:41.520 --> 1:38:43.880 Venezuelan people. I've made a whole podcast thing about this, 1:38:45.200 --> 1:38:49.240 but the difficulty they encounter in every aspect of their 1:38:49.320 --> 1:38:53.600 lives because of sanctions, because of corruption, because of hyperinflation, 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:56.120 because of the low oil price, like a lot of things. Right, 1:38:57.080 --> 1:39:01.800 their lives are miserable, and this isn't going to change that. 1:39:02.439 --> 1:39:04.519 They're scared. Right when I speak to people in Venezuela, 1:39:04.560 --> 1:39:07.640 people family in Venezuela this week, since this happened, what 1:39:07.720 --> 1:39:10.160 are they doing. They are not contrary to what an 1:39:10.160 --> 1:39:12.200 AI video might have made you believe out in the 1:39:12.240 --> 1:39:15.880 streets celebrating. Now, they're trying to get enough food to 1:39:15.960 --> 1:39:17.800 make it through the next couple of weeks in case 1:39:17.840 --> 1:39:19.519 they have to hunker down in their home, right, and 1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:21.280 it is hard to get any food at the best 1:39:21.320 --> 1:39:23.040 of times for these people, in case. 1:39:22.840 --> 1:39:26.479 They're bombed in place, the roads are bombed, in case 1:39:27.000 --> 1:39:31.160 they're occupied. Like they're making preparations for being in a 1:39:31.200 --> 1:39:33.240 situation like Gazans have been in for much of the 1:39:33.320 --> 1:39:36.400 last several years. Right, Yeah, and that's not an unreasonable 1:39:36.560 --> 1:39:38.760 like who knows what will happen. I hope it's not that, 1:39:39.000 --> 1:39:41.400 but it's not an unreasonable thing to prepare for. 1:39:42.080 --> 1:39:44.240 No, it's not. Our friends, when Memo and Robert and 1:39:44.240 --> 1:39:45.760 I have been a few people in Memo, that's what 1:39:45.800 --> 1:39:47.599 they said they did after the coup as well, because 1:39:47.600 --> 1:39:48.800 they didn't know what was going to happen and they 1:39:48.880 --> 1:39:51.679 figured they need to be able to sit somewhere safe 1:39:51.720 --> 1:39:55.280 and stay there. And so, yeah, this is not a 1:39:55.439 --> 1:39:58.080 liberation like I sor Jared Polis of all people being like, 1:39:58.160 --> 1:40:03.559 oh yeah, liberation and using the word liberation generally Simon Bolivard, 1:40:03.640 --> 1:40:07.280 it is like the sort of bounding hero of Venezuela 1:40:07.360 --> 1:40:09.519 is referred to as the liberators and using that phrase 1:40:09.680 --> 1:40:13.280 about the extra judicial kidnapping the head of state. Right, 1:40:14.160 --> 1:40:16.040 you don't understand the resonance of that word in Spanish, 1:40:16.080 --> 1:40:18.479 that's fine, you don't speak Spanish, don't fucking use it. Yeah, 1:40:18.760 --> 1:40:21.200 but if you're going to use it, especially in this context, 1:40:21.680 --> 1:40:25.120 like it is crash in the extreme right to see that, 1:40:25.120 --> 1:40:26.480 actually American politician. 1:40:27.400 --> 1:40:29.560 So the other I think aspect of this is that, 1:40:29.760 --> 1:40:31.160 like you know, if you look at this in a 1:40:31.240 --> 1:40:34.439 historical s tale, the reason Boulevar succeeded was that, like 1:40:34.560 --> 1:40:38.479 the Haitian Republic gave a whole bunch of people, a 1:40:38.520 --> 1:40:41.640 whole bunch of weapons go liberate Latin Berica from the 1:40:41.640 --> 1:40:44.680 Spanish Empire. And then you know, if you look at what, like, 1:40:44.760 --> 1:40:49.360 what is the US's relation to the closest thing I've 1:40:49.439 --> 1:40:52.320 been able to I'm like racking my brain trying to 1:40:52.360 --> 1:40:57.080 find anything in history that looks like this that the 1:40:57.200 --> 1:40:59.400 US has done. And we've done a lot of bad things. 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:02.559 The closest thing I can find to just we sent 1:41:02.680 --> 1:41:05.920 the army into kidnap a guy and deposed him was 1:41:06.120 --> 1:41:09.799 what we did to Aristide, who was the former leftist 1:41:09.800 --> 1:41:13.920 president now former leftist president of Haiti, who we did 1:41:14.080 --> 1:41:17.519 in fact send in special forces with Canada to just 1:41:18.120 --> 1:41:20.519 like sort of force onto a plane at gunpoint and 1:41:20.600 --> 1:41:25.679 remove from power. But also that situation was a little 1:41:26.360 --> 1:41:29.559 different in that at that point most of the country 1:41:29.600 --> 1:41:31.439 of Haiti was under the control of a bunch of 1:41:31.640 --> 1:41:34.799 like dust squad rubble groups, which was the us' justification. 1:41:35.320 --> 1:41:38.360 And this is just we just ran into a country 1:41:38.400 --> 1:41:41.720 and cook them. But I don't know the historical residences. 1:41:41.200 --> 1:41:43.479 Of that are bleak. 1:41:44.040 --> 1:41:46.440 Yeah, and Jesus Christ. 1:41:46.240 --> 1:41:51.720 Don't call it the liberation good lording of liberations. 1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:56.680 Yeah, let's liberate our audience from having money that they 1:41:56.720 --> 1:42:10.720 can spend on these products. All right, we're back. I 1:42:10.760 --> 1:42:13.599 guess there's a couple of things I wanted to talk about. 1:42:13.920 --> 1:42:16.320 One of them is I'm seeing a lot of people 1:42:16.360 --> 1:42:19.639 respond to this by pointing out folks like Matt Walsh 1:42:20.160 --> 1:42:22.840 or other guys on the right who made statements about 1:42:23.320 --> 1:42:27.400 Trump being a candidate for peace and all these military interventions. 1:42:27.400 --> 1:42:30.160 We're getting into being bad and are now celebrating what 1:42:30.240 --> 1:42:33.360 we're doing and openly celebrating like colonialism as a good thing. 1:42:33.840 --> 1:42:37.599 And I'm seeing a lot of folks trying to dunk 1:42:37.760 --> 1:42:41.479 on these people for being inconsistent. And I can't imagine 1:42:41.520 --> 1:42:44.559 a bigger waste of your time, none of these people. 1:42:44.720 --> 1:42:47.800 You have to get it out from the habit of 1:42:47.880 --> 1:42:52.280 thinking that truth matters. All that matters to these people 1:42:52.520 --> 1:42:55.120 is power, and they have it, and they have the guns. 1:42:55.840 --> 1:42:59.000 And you pointing out that they lied to get there, 1:42:59.160 --> 1:43:01.960 and that they're not honest, they don't care. They're rich 1:43:02.200 --> 1:43:04.599 and they're getting richer, and they're powerful and they're getting 1:43:04.640 --> 1:43:09.960 more power. None of this is about principles. It's about winning, 1:43:10.560 --> 1:43:13.120 and you just have to understand that if you want 1:43:13.160 --> 1:43:15.880 to have any hope of beating them, because pretending that 1:43:15.920 --> 1:43:17.599 they're playing any other game than the one that they're 1:43:17.600 --> 1:43:23.879 playing is really dangerous. I don't think there's any profit 1:43:24.479 --> 1:43:28.679 in debating these people directly or confronting them directly about 1:43:28.720 --> 1:43:33.120 the inconsistencies of their belief system. I do think it's 1:43:33.200 --> 1:43:37.479 deeply profitable to talk about the fact that they lied 1:43:37.680 --> 1:43:39.880 in our liars and are dragging us into another war 1:43:40.400 --> 1:43:43.720 two regular Americans, and the evidence suggests that this is 1:43:43.840 --> 1:43:46.599 incredibly unpopular in a way that the Iraq War wasn't. 1:43:46.720 --> 1:43:50.040 People talk a lot about how massive the anti war 1:43:50.160 --> 1:43:53.160 protests were and how much anti war sentiment there was, 1:43:53.280 --> 1:43:57.560 but a majority of Americans were broadly supportive of what 1:43:57.840 --> 1:44:00.920 the Bush administration did in Afghanist stand in Iraq at 1:44:00.920 --> 1:44:02.640 the time that they started doing it. 1:44:03.160 --> 1:44:03.280 Right. 1:44:04.000 --> 1:44:06.800 That doesn't mean that the protests weren't real. It doesn't 1:44:06.840 --> 1:44:09.920 mean that it's not significant that those massive protests happened, 1:44:10.439 --> 1:44:13.920 But most Americans were broadly supportive of what the government 1:44:14.080 --> 1:44:17.759 was doing. That's not the case with what we're seeing 1:44:17.960 --> 1:44:20.760 in regards to public opinion over what's happening in Venezuela. 1:44:21.040 --> 1:44:24.400 There was a two day Reuters IPSO survey that concluded Monday, 1:44:24.760 --> 1:44:28.599 basically immediately after was announced what you know we did 1:44:28.720 --> 1:44:32.160 in Venezuela and seventy two percent of Americans who responded 1:44:32.200 --> 1:44:33.920 said they are concerned that the US might get too 1:44:33.960 --> 1:44:36.559 involved in Venezuela. Only twenty five percent said that they 1:44:36.640 --> 1:44:40.120 don't share that concern. Ninety percent of Democrats shared that 1:44:40.200 --> 1:44:42.920 concern as well, seventy four percent of independence even fifty 1:44:42.960 --> 1:44:46.160 four percent of Republicans. Only forty five percent of Republicans 1:44:46.479 --> 1:44:48.320 said that they were not worried about the US getting 1:44:48.320 --> 1:44:50.800 overly involved in only nineteen percent of other voters. So 1:44:51.800 --> 1:44:57.040 this is really unpopular, historically unpopular for a military intervention. 1:44:57.160 --> 1:44:59.439 And the entire bet that the Trump administration is making 1:44:59.560 --> 1:45:03.320 is that because they're not doing what Bush did in Iraq, 1:45:03.400 --> 1:45:06.439 they're not knocking out the whole government and debathifying it. 1:45:06.560 --> 1:45:10.479 They're just kicking out one guy and basically keeping his 1:45:10.560 --> 1:45:14.000 regime intact. They're just making that regime swear field to 1:45:14.040 --> 1:45:17.120 the United States. And their bet is that this will 1:45:17.200 --> 1:45:22.519 work right, that the Venezuelan regime will continue to keep 1:45:22.560 --> 1:45:25.519 the country functioning as well as it was functioning before, 1:45:25.600 --> 1:45:29.400 which is not great but was not total collapse, and 1:45:30.120 --> 1:45:34.120 they can start extracting value. And honestly, I feel like 1:45:34.280 --> 1:45:36.880 that is that's a major motivation for a lot of 1:45:36.920 --> 1:45:39.160 people supporting Trump, for a lot of people in his 1:45:39.200 --> 1:45:43.439 administration who have financial interests, for obviously the oil and 1:45:43.520 --> 1:45:46.160 gas companies he's trying to get on board. But I 1:45:46.280 --> 1:45:49.200 don't think money is even Trump's pry, and this is 1:45:49.360 --> 1:45:52.599 maybe an unpopular opinion. I think the primarys in Trump 1:45:52.720 --> 1:45:55.880 is doing this is that he wants Number one, to 1:45:55.960 --> 1:45:58.360 show everybody, look, I did what Bush did, but it worked. 1:45:58.439 --> 1:46:01.760 I did it Betternumber two. He wants to show everybody, look, 1:46:01.760 --> 1:46:03.880 I did what Obama did and took out a big 1:46:04.000 --> 1:46:04.439 bad guy. 1:46:04.520 --> 1:46:04.600 Right. 1:46:04.640 --> 1:46:06.880 That's where they're trying to craft madeuro is this major 1:46:07.080 --> 1:46:10.919 enemy of the United States, this architect of the opiate crisis, 1:46:11.040 --> 1:46:13.240 this guy who's worse than beIN Laden in a lot 1:46:13.280 --> 1:46:15.280 of ways, because Trump is still jealous of the fact 1:46:15.320 --> 1:46:18.680 that Obama got to take out Ben Laden right as 1:46:18.760 --> 1:46:20.680 he sees it, and he wants his own version of that. 1:46:21.560 --> 1:46:25.760 Trump is doing this, I think primarily for vanity purposes. Right. 1:46:25.880 --> 1:46:27.960 I know that seems shallow and silly, but I really 1:46:28.040 --> 1:46:30.160 think that's most of what's going on for him. And 1:46:30.320 --> 1:46:32.960 I think if the end result of this is that 1:46:33.000 --> 1:46:35.080 things in Venezuela more or less continue, the way they 1:46:35.080 --> 1:46:37.600 were before. He will call it a win, and a 1:46:37.640 --> 1:46:39.880 lot of people might believe him, And I don't know, 1:46:39.960 --> 1:46:42.400 it doesn't even necessarily matter if any money actually comes 1:46:42.439 --> 1:46:45.360 into the United States over this. They'll just lie about it. 1:46:45.520 --> 1:46:49.200 You know, some individual Americans will make money, and I 1:46:49.280 --> 1:46:52.360 think that'll probably be enough for Trump to feel like 1:46:52.439 --> 1:46:55.120 he got a win and for his pr apparatus to 1:46:55.920 --> 1:46:57.639 notch this up as a win. And I think that's 1:46:57.680 --> 1:47:00.639 all he really cares about. And so I do think 1:47:00.680 --> 1:47:04.240 it's worth really hitting how criminal this is and how 1:47:04.360 --> 1:47:07.639 harmful this is. But ultimately, what's going to determine whether 1:47:07.720 --> 1:47:10.280 or not Americans see this as a calamity or not 1:47:11.360 --> 1:47:14.840 is how well this all works out in the long run. 1:47:15.080 --> 1:47:18.639 And that's a really tough thing to even think about, 1:47:18.760 --> 1:47:22.280 because you don't want it to work well, because it 1:47:22.320 --> 1:47:25.960 will embolden Trump to keep doing this and the global 1:47:26.000 --> 1:47:28.519 harm will be greater. On the other hand, I don't 1:47:28.560 --> 1:47:33.400 want civil life in Venezuela to collapse, right, So it's 1:47:33.560 --> 1:47:37.439 it's tough, yeah, right, yeah, I don't people to suffer anymore. 1:47:38.000 --> 1:47:40.080 I mean just around the world too. When like I 1:47:40.160 --> 1:47:43.320 heard men online called a meeting in Mihandmah when he 1:47:43.400 --> 1:47:46.320 heard about this, because he was worried, right, like, the 1:47:46.520 --> 1:47:50.200 paranoia of dictators is about to go through the ceiling, 1:47:50.240 --> 1:47:52.800 and that's going to result in people being tortured and killed. 1:47:52.880 --> 1:47:54.599 It's going to result in people torture, and it's going 1:47:54.640 --> 1:47:58.200 to result in more countries seeking to get nuclear weapons 1:47:58.320 --> 1:48:01.920 because they will accurately recognize that that is the only 1:48:02.040 --> 1:48:08.440 security anyone has. It is understated how much more dangerous 1:48:08.520 --> 1:48:10.840 what Bush did in Iraq made the world because of 1:48:10.960 --> 1:48:13.320 how it's made different leaders around the world think about 1:48:13.320 --> 1:48:17.400 the possession of nuclear weapons. Right Iran is fundamentally right, 1:48:17.560 --> 1:48:20.320 and it's calculus that getting a nuke will make the 1:48:20.400 --> 1:48:23.080 regime safer because it might be the only thing that 1:48:23.200 --> 1:48:25.519 can protect them now. Things in Iran are not looking 1:48:25.640 --> 1:48:28.360 very stable right now either. Again, this is another situation 1:48:28.479 --> 1:48:32.240 where just decades of protest and the weakness of the 1:48:32.320 --> 1:48:35.439 regime might wind up working in Trump's favor because things 1:48:35.479 --> 1:48:38.800 are looking pretty gnarly for the Iranian regime right now, 1:48:39.240 --> 1:48:43.599 and maybe Trump Trump has made some statements since kidnapping 1:48:43.640 --> 1:48:46.720 Maduro about going into Iran. They very well may do that, 1:48:46.880 --> 1:48:48.160 but they also may not need to. 1:48:48.960 --> 1:48:51.280 Yeah, there's the most sense suggesting that they at least 1:48:51.360 --> 1:48:55.479 have preparations in place for doing something in Iran, right, 1:48:55.680 --> 1:48:57.880 which may they need to do right to obviously move 1:48:57.960 --> 1:49:01.679 things to point towards Iran. Right, But that's an action 1:49:01.880 --> 1:49:02.560 in itself. 1:49:02.920 --> 1:49:05.439 Yeah, that really. I mean, there's a lot that worries 1:49:05.520 --> 1:49:09.240 me there. But I think they're going to keep fucking 1:49:09.360 --> 1:49:12.000 around like this as long as they feel like it 1:49:12.080 --> 1:49:14.880 will benefit them. And right now this feels like a 1:49:14.960 --> 1:49:17.799 wind to them. Yeah, so this is going to function 1:49:18.040 --> 1:49:20.160 like a drug. They're going to start looking for another 1:49:20.320 --> 1:49:23.040 hit as soon as the high from this fadse. 1:49:24.040 --> 1:49:26.240 Yeah, and as soon as they need a domestic distraction, 1:49:26.479 --> 1:49:26.760 right right. 1:49:26.840 --> 1:49:29.200 A lot of this stuff and the evidence we have 1:49:29.280 --> 1:49:33.240 so far suggests that people fucking hate this, and we'll 1:49:33.360 --> 1:49:36.760 probably keep hating this, But it depends on whether or 1:49:36.800 --> 1:49:38.800 not this all fades out and if the news is 1:49:38.840 --> 1:49:41.800 covered Actually maybe it worked right, which will probably be 1:49:41.880 --> 1:49:45.800 based on really dogshit journalism. The Washington Post did a 1:49:45.880 --> 1:49:49.599 preferential offed already. I think, oh good, Yeah, I'm glad 1:49:49.640 --> 1:49:54.360 they're helping out our democracy die in darkness. They're going 1:49:54.479 --> 1:49:58.920 to keep chasing this high and it will wind up 1:49:59.479 --> 1:50:02.879 collapse on them eventually. The question is how many countries 1:50:02.960 --> 1:50:05.200 will have to pay the price beforehand and how much 1:50:05.240 --> 1:50:07.760 worse will things get In the United States? Obviously, yeah, 1:50:08.600 --> 1:50:11.080 will the price be right when they lose a higher 1:50:11.280 --> 1:50:14.679 s F team or cash? Right when Delta Force gets 1:50:14.760 --> 1:50:16.880 wiped out? When we have a bunch of helicopters down, 1:50:16.920 --> 1:50:19.120 a bunch of Americans caption what does Trump do? 1:50:19.280 --> 1:50:19.400 Then? 1:50:19.560 --> 1:50:22.080 Do we get a panic? This is kind of where 1:50:22.120 --> 1:50:24.719 I see, like the potential, the scary potential for something 1:50:24.760 --> 1:50:27.720 like a nuclear January sixth, where like, do we get 1:50:27.760 --> 1:50:31.519 a panic response that leads to a horrific loss of life? 1:50:32.200 --> 1:50:36.599 Because Trump sees himself as being embarrassed, Oh my god, 1:50:36.640 --> 1:50:38.360 they killed a whole team, Like I have no option 1:50:38.520 --> 1:50:40.439 but to kill a shitload of people to distract from 1:50:40.479 --> 1:50:43.439 the fact that I failed here, Right, that that does 1:50:43.560 --> 1:50:44.599 really concern me too. 1:50:45.080 --> 1:50:47.040 Yeah, if that happens, you know there was even if 1:50:47.040 --> 1:50:50.440 it's no nuclear right, even it's just conventional weapons on cities. 1:50:50.439 --> 1:50:53.120 Right right, right? And yeah, new guy, I shouldn't even 1:50:53.120 --> 1:50:54.439 bring up the nuclear thing, but like. 1:50:54.880 --> 1:50:58.679 It does concern meus a nuclear football, right, He's. 1:50:58.520 --> 1:51:00.600 The one who gets right choice, all right, this is 1:51:00.680 --> 1:51:02.840 going to just get more of. This is going to 1:51:02.920 --> 1:51:06.479 become integral to his sense of like self worth that like, no, 1:51:06.680 --> 1:51:08.880 I did this and it worked in the Congrete era, 1:51:09.120 --> 1:51:12.479 And if all his guys get wiped out failing at 1:51:12.520 --> 1:51:14.760 one of these things, that's not going to go well 1:51:14.840 --> 1:51:15.520 for anybody. 1:51:15.800 --> 1:51:16.280 No, it's not. 1:51:16.400 --> 1:51:18.519 We'll have a fun couple hours on Twitter, but it's 1:51:18.560 --> 1:51:20.160 going to be really bad, really fast. 1:51:20.360 --> 1:51:24.800 Yeah. I talked very briefly about a couple of implications domestically. Sure, 1:51:25.120 --> 1:51:28.519 The main one is that the DOJ has already fared 1:51:28.560 --> 1:51:32.080 fro an extension in the case which Judge Boseberg is 1:51:32.120 --> 1:51:34.200 overseeing regarding the Alien Enemies Act. 1:51:34.520 --> 1:51:34.680 Right. 1:51:35.240 --> 1:51:39.680 Yeah, what this will mean for Venezuelan nationals in the 1:51:39.800 --> 1:51:43.320 United States, It is unlikely that this will mean something good. 1:51:43.640 --> 1:51:43.760 Right. 1:51:44.040 --> 1:51:45.720 It is unlikely that they will have a country that 1:51:45.760 --> 1:51:48.080 they would want to return to, and it's possible that 1:51:48.200 --> 1:51:50.439 it's going to be used to force them to return 1:51:50.520 --> 1:51:54.520 to it anyway, to a country which is extremely paranoid 1:51:54.520 --> 1:51:58.200 about US buys. Because someone in ma Duro's very close 1:51:58.360 --> 1:52:02.479 entourage leaked the high plan that Trump. Many presidents would 1:52:02.479 --> 1:52:04.120 not have set this to the press, but Trump did right, 1:52:04.200 --> 1:52:06.600 that they had the entire plans for his house, and 1:52:06.720 --> 1:52:08.880 that they built a replica of it to include they 1:52:08.920 --> 1:52:10.599 knew he had a safe room, they knew it was steel, 1:52:10.600 --> 1:52:12.759 and they knew they could cut into it with cutting torches. 1:52:13.080 --> 1:52:17.000 Someone leaked that information. That means that people coming back 1:52:17.040 --> 1:52:20.040 from the United States are going to be under scrutiny, right, 1:52:20.880 --> 1:52:23.400 and that is not good for them. And I don't 1:52:23.439 --> 1:52:27.000 see this regime stopping sending people back because they're not 1:52:27.040 --> 1:52:29.160 an alien enemy anymore. I don't. I don't see that, 1:52:29.720 --> 1:52:32.599 and I can see the regime if it does manage 1:52:32.720 --> 1:52:35.160 and saw Rodriguez at something of a puppet leaning on 1:52:35.320 --> 1:52:38.760 Rodriguez to accept people removed from the United States. Right. 1:52:39.080 --> 1:52:43.719 So that is extremely concerning, and it's not being reported 1:52:43.800 --> 1:52:47.360 on right because migrants are not front and center where 1:52:47.400 --> 1:52:50.160 a lot of American newspapers think about things. But I 1:52:50.240 --> 1:52:53.040 think for those people this is petrifying. 1:52:53.360 --> 1:52:53.519 Right. 1:52:53.880 --> 1:52:55.479 The country that you came through to be safe is 1:52:55.520 --> 1:52:58.360 no bombing the country that you came from. It's also 1:52:58.400 --> 1:53:00.519 trying to kick you out like you were stuck in 1:53:00.560 --> 1:53:03.720 the middle of this game, and you want it with 1:53:03.760 --> 1:53:06.120 a place to raise your kids where they might have 1:53:06.479 --> 1:53:09.640 a fair crack at a decent life. It's heartbreaking for 1:53:09.720 --> 1:53:10.200 those people. 1:53:10.800 --> 1:53:13.240 Yeah, and I think that's probably all we've got to 1:53:13.439 --> 1:53:16.439 say for now. I mean, I guess i'll address briefly 1:53:16.439 --> 1:53:19.479 because people have asked, do you see this as like 1:53:19.640 --> 1:53:22.560 an annex say an anschluss, you know, the annexation of 1:53:22.720 --> 1:53:25.640 Austria or of Czechoslovakia of that kind of moment, or 1:53:25.760 --> 1:53:29.400 is this more like the invasion of Poland? And I 1:53:29.439 --> 1:53:32.759 guess my answer is is its own thing. It doesn't 1:53:32.800 --> 1:53:34.960 directly graph on any of those other than that where 1:53:34.960 --> 1:53:37.840 it does very directly graph. And what is relevant in 1:53:38.000 --> 1:53:42.640 comparing it to is what happened to the Nazis and 1:53:42.760 --> 1:53:48.800 to Hitler personally. As they started seeing success taking things militarily, 1:53:48.920 --> 1:53:51.840 they made some big gambles that were not known. One 1:53:51.880 --> 1:53:55.200 thing that gets underdiscussed when talking about what Germany was 1:53:55.200 --> 1:53:58.280 doing in that period of time is how many military 1:53:58.360 --> 1:54:02.800 leaders within Germany thought that the annexation of particularly Czechoslovakia 1:54:02.840 --> 1:54:05.360 was a horrible idea because in a head to head fight, 1:54:05.439 --> 1:54:09.040 it was not clear whatsoever that the Wehrmachts could defeat 1:54:09.120 --> 1:54:12.040 the Czech military and their defenses. That was very much 1:54:12.280 --> 1:54:16.080 in debate, and a lot of Hitler's advisors thought it 1:54:16.160 --> 1:54:18.200 was a terrible idea because they didn't think they could win, 1:54:18.640 --> 1:54:21.120 and it wound up not really being a factor because 1:54:21.240 --> 1:54:23.920 everyone caved and nobody wanted to fight. Which is the 1:54:23.920 --> 1:54:25.880 problem that we're having right now, right is that nobody 1:54:25.920 --> 1:54:29.439 actually wants to confront these people. The Democrats are himming 1:54:29.479 --> 1:54:31.880 and ahio whether or not the try for impeachment again 1:54:32.120 --> 1:54:36.680 or you know, there's this this fear of actually directly 1:54:36.760 --> 1:54:40.000 confronting these people. That is part of what's emboldening them 1:54:40.040 --> 1:54:42.720 to keep trying shit like this. And what's very relevant 1:54:42.720 --> 1:54:46.320 to the Nazis is that if this works, and we're 1:54:46.400 --> 1:54:49.120 talking if this works not in the long run, because 1:54:49.120 --> 1:54:50.680 they're not going to wait twenty years to see if 1:54:50.680 --> 1:54:52.320 this was a good idea. They're going to wait a 1:54:52.360 --> 1:54:55.200 couple of weeks, you know, maybe a few months, and 1:54:55.320 --> 1:54:58.400 if it seems like, hey, it worked, the Venezuela's not 1:54:58.640 --> 1:55:01.440 fallen apart. You know, we've got we actually got what 1:55:01.520 --> 1:55:03.040 we think is a good pr out of it. They'll 1:55:03.080 --> 1:55:06.640 try again, and they'll try again. And the Nazis tried 1:55:06.680 --> 1:55:09.720 again and again until they started making checks that their 1:55:09.760 --> 1:55:13.320 asses couldn't cash right, And that is the thing that's relevant, 1:55:13.360 --> 1:55:16.600 because that is something all fascists have in common, is 1:55:17.520 --> 1:55:20.960 this confidence that gets them very far in a lot 1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:24.360 of ways, because if they're willing to gamble and the 1:55:24.440 --> 1:55:27.920 other people aren't willing to confront them or fight or 1:55:28.040 --> 1:55:32.080 gamble themselves, then they'll win by default. But when that 1:55:32.280 --> 1:55:36.480 stops and people start confronting them, the shortcomings of the 1:55:36.560 --> 1:55:39.360 state that they've built and of the militaries that they 1:55:39.480 --> 1:55:43.880 built become increasingly evident. And I do think that's the 1:55:44.080 --> 1:55:46.520 road that we're on. I don't know where it'll end. 1:55:46.920 --> 1:55:49.160 I don't know if Trump could die of a heart 1:55:49.160 --> 1:55:52.080 attack tomorrow, and maybe whoever takes over will be more cautious. 1:55:52.520 --> 1:55:54.640 I don't know what's going to happen, but I know 1:55:54.760 --> 1:55:58.400 that we've started down that road. Yeah, and that's not 1:55:58.520 --> 1:55:59.640 a good thing. Nope. 1:56:00.240 --> 1:56:02.160 I guess we should just say because people will be 1:56:02.200 --> 1:56:05.120 incredibly annoying on the internet, like saying that it is 1:56:05.200 --> 1:56:07.560 illegal and wrong to kidnap Madua does not mean that 1:56:07.600 --> 1:56:09.960 we think Maduro is great, just in the same way 1:56:10.000 --> 1:56:11.680 as saying the Iraq war is wrong doesn't mean we 1:56:11.760 --> 1:56:15.080 love Saddam Hussein like, no, the two things can be bad. 1:56:15.600 --> 1:56:17.920 People tell you although I should grow up. Like I 1:56:17.960 --> 1:56:20.000 said at the start, I don't think you have to. 1:56:20.120 --> 1:56:22.480 I don't think anyone owes you. And if someone is saying, like, hey, 1:56:23.000 --> 1:56:25.600 you have to answer for these bad things Maduro did 1:56:25.680 --> 1:56:27.800 when critiguing the OS for this, I think that's bullshit 1:56:27.800 --> 1:56:29.160 and I think you should tell them to fuck off. 1:56:29.320 --> 1:56:30.800 Right, It's not the issue at take Care. 1:56:31.240 --> 1:56:36.760 Maduro's personal qualities are irrelevant, as is always the case 1:56:36.840 --> 1:56:52.879 with this. What we're doing is illegal and bad. Sweet baby, Jimminy, Christmas, 1:56:53.000 --> 1:56:57.360 Welcome back. It could happened here. A podcast, it's normally 1:56:57.440 --> 1:57:00.640 about all of the sad and horrifying and violent and 1:57:00.800 --> 1:57:04.520 dangerous and sometimes inspiring things happening around the world. But 1:57:04.680 --> 1:57:08.080 this week, well, today is about something different. Today we're 1:57:08.120 --> 1:57:13.200 talking about CES finally, for those of you who don't 1:57:13.240 --> 1:57:15.080 know or who are new to the show, Every year 1:57:15.400 --> 1:57:19.040 in Las Vegas, Nevada, a bunch of the world's big 1:57:19.160 --> 1:57:22.800 tech companies come together for the Consumer Electronics Show, where 1:57:22.800 --> 1:57:25.960 they present their visions for the future, the new products 1:57:26.000 --> 1:57:28.000 that will be coming out that year and stuff that 1:57:28.040 --> 1:57:30.280 will be coming out and used to come that's less developed, 1:57:30.760 --> 1:57:34.200 and the whole industry talks about itself, and Garrison and 1:57:34.280 --> 1:57:38.040 I show up and largely just kind of let it 1:57:38.360 --> 1:57:44.160 wash over us like a warming tide of lukewarm garbage water, 1:57:44.520 --> 1:57:48.080 you know, fairy lukewarm us very lukewarm, and it smells 1:57:48.240 --> 1:57:51.680 like someone did not clean their fridge out often enough 1:57:51.800 --> 1:57:53.320 before putting it into the trash. 1:57:53.440 --> 1:57:58.080 That was the feeling at Showstoppers tonight. The media only 1:57:59.000 --> 1:58:01.280 presentation on the its products of CEES. 1:58:01.480 --> 1:58:03.080 Yeah, yeah, why don't we start? 1:58:03.200 --> 1:58:03.240 So? 1:58:03.320 --> 1:58:05.800 I mean, there's two different things that are interesting about 1:58:05.840 --> 1:58:09.040 cees broadly. One of them is people bring gadgets that 1:58:09.120 --> 1:58:11.080 are not out yet that it will be coming out 1:58:11.160 --> 1:58:13.640 this year or coming out soon, and you can actually 1:58:13.720 --> 1:58:17.520 test them and use them and see how technology is progressing. 1:58:17.600 --> 1:58:20.320 And that can be kind of fun. The downside of 1:58:20.360 --> 1:58:24.040 that is that people also bring gadgets that are crap. Right, 1:58:24.280 --> 1:58:26.080 some guy has a vision for a way to like, 1:58:26.720 --> 1:58:29.480 you know, there's not a good way for blind people 1:58:29.600 --> 1:58:33.000 to use the pogo stick while watching Netflix, and so 1:58:33.160 --> 1:58:35.680 I have created this product, right, Or like there's not 1:58:35.800 --> 1:58:38.960 a good way for children to test their blood alcohol 1:58:39.080 --> 1:58:41.720 level before getting behind the wheel of a Jeep Grand Cherokee, 1:58:41.800 --> 1:58:43.920 and I have invented the device to make it about 1:58:44.000 --> 1:58:48.400 things that like have no no conceivable audience or utilization. Right, 1:58:48.680 --> 1:58:51.120 that's the other side of the gadget part of CEES. 1:58:51.200 --> 1:58:53.040 And then outside of that you get a hint at 1:58:53.160 --> 1:58:55.480 like there's all these panels where people from the industry 1:58:55.520 --> 1:58:57.960 come to talk about the major trends in technology, how 1:58:58.000 --> 1:59:00.280 things are developing, and what they see as the few future. 1:59:00.360 --> 1:59:03.040 And so there's both here's what they're going to try 1:59:03.080 --> 1:59:05.240 to sell us, and here's the devices that might change 1:59:05.240 --> 1:59:07.760 the way we live. And also here's how a bunch 1:59:07.840 --> 1:59:10.560 of the richest, sometimes craziest people in the country you're 1:59:10.600 --> 1:59:12.840 talking about the future. Those are the two things that 1:59:13.000 --> 1:59:16.040 happen at CEES and Garrison. You wanted to talk about 1:59:16.040 --> 1:59:19.840 the first the gadgets. The gadgets, the gadgets one as 1:59:19.880 --> 1:59:21.640 you went to the Gadget show tonight. I spent my 1:59:21.840 --> 1:59:22.879 entire day in panels. 1:59:23.400 --> 1:59:25.080 Yeah, I mean I did most of the panels in 1:59:25.120 --> 1:59:25.360 the day. 1:59:25.400 --> 1:59:26.920 I didn't really got to walk to the show floor 1:59:27.880 --> 1:59:30.360 on the first day, which is which is Tuesday. So 1:59:30.640 --> 1:59:32.960 instead of doing the show floor, I went to show 1:59:33.120 --> 1:59:37.440 stoppers at the Bellagio, which is this presentation of Usually 1:59:38.160 --> 1:59:40.880 usually you know a collection of gadgets that have won 1:59:41.000 --> 1:59:45.680 CES Innovation Awards, which are on display for journalists and 1:59:45.800 --> 1:59:48.840 media you can talk to the people behind them. Showstoppers 1:59:48.880 --> 1:59:50.960 this year was a little different. It took place in 1:59:51.720 --> 1:59:54.720 like a different venue. Hall was smaller than the past 1:59:54.760 --> 1:59:58.560 few Showstoppers years, and I would say about forty percent 1:59:58.600 --> 1:59:59.680 of it with smart glasses. 2:00:00.760 --> 2:00:03.840 Yeah, there's usually like a big product that is like 2:00:03.960 --> 2:00:05.640 this product category is the hot thing. 2:00:05.720 --> 2:00:08.320 This year, we've tried all smart glasses. 2:00:08.560 --> 2:00:10.760 Every weird it is that they've always had them. 2:00:10.880 --> 2:00:12.080 Every year that we've. 2:00:12.000 --> 2:00:14.520 Been doing this, we've done smart glasses and they've always 2:00:14.560 --> 2:00:17.120 kind of been the same. Maybe the resolution on like 2:00:17.200 --> 2:00:21.520 the text better, like the glasses get a little bit smaller. 2:00:21.880 --> 2:00:24.280 And then this year, yeah, the glasses were generally smaller, 2:00:24.360 --> 2:00:27.280 but for all practical purposes function about the same. But 2:00:27.360 --> 2:00:29.480 there was but ten different smart glasses. Most of them 2:00:29.520 --> 2:00:32.560 could do some kind of like transcription service, could have 2:00:32.640 --> 2:00:33.800 some kind of heads up display. 2:00:34.240 --> 2:00:35.520 One of them was just audio only. 2:00:35.600 --> 2:00:37.880 It was like an audio audio transcriptions like it like 2:00:37.960 --> 2:00:41.240 it listens to someone else speaking in in this case Chinese, 2:00:41.280 --> 2:00:44.640 and it translates to me to American. Yeah, yeah, translate 2:00:44.720 --> 2:00:47.960 to American via sound. It had speakers. It had speakers 2:00:47.960 --> 2:00:49.440 and like the actual you know, like the arm of 2:00:49.520 --> 2:00:52.160 the glasses. Yeah, the delay was long enough that it 2:00:52.240 --> 2:00:54.560 was you couldn't really keep a conversation of a normal speed. 2:00:54.960 --> 2:00:57.840 I would be for like like the visual translations, which 2:00:57.840 --> 2:00:59.720 you can't actually kind of just talk in full time, 2:01:00.280 --> 2:01:02.839 But the audio only ones were like a smaller profile. 2:01:03.400 --> 2:01:06.840 The visual ones weren't necessarily bulkier, but you can definitely 2:01:06.880 --> 2:01:08.480 see that there's more hardware inside them. 2:01:08.600 --> 2:01:08.800 Yeah. 2:01:09.040 --> 2:01:11.760 The thing that I have seen this year which is newer, er, 2:01:12.040 --> 2:01:16.240 maybe not totally new, but incorporating smart glasses technology into 2:01:16.360 --> 2:01:20.240 other types of eyewear, so like swim goggles, ski goggles, 2:01:20.720 --> 2:01:24.280 like outdoor sports stuff. So if you're you know, swimming 2:01:24.440 --> 2:01:28.040 or you're diving and you can't really use your phone underwater, 2:01:28.440 --> 2:01:30.080 you have there's there's a heads up that there's a 2:01:30.160 --> 2:01:32.680 heads up display in like your like Scoopa goggles. 2:01:33.080 --> 2:01:35.800 So that that's that's a new a newish thing that 2:01:35.880 --> 2:01:36.320 I've seen. 2:01:36.880 --> 2:01:40.680 I've seen like you know, biking glasses, skiing, snowboarding, So 2:01:40.880 --> 2:01:44.240 that that's the kind of one one slight change, but 2:01:44.600 --> 2:01:47.200 besides that, it's basically five different smart glasses which are 2:01:47.560 --> 2:01:50.400 for all pactal purposes identical right to each other. 2:01:50.760 --> 2:01:53.760 Yeah, I mean, and that I think is kind of 2:01:53.840 --> 2:01:56.240 one of the things that I've watched happen over the 2:01:57.040 --> 2:01:59.360 fifteen years almost that I've been going to see ess 2:01:59.640 --> 2:02:02.880 or see ess, whichever is more accurate, which is you know, 2:02:03.200 --> 2:02:05.640 when I first started coming, the smartphone era was new, 2:02:05.760 --> 2:02:07.840 and then we had like the tablet era after that, 2:02:08.080 --> 2:02:10.480 and so there was a lot of like you would 2:02:10.520 --> 2:02:13.720 have dozens of manufacturers making different devices and every year 2:02:13.760 --> 2:02:16.280 that were very different capability. For the first few years, 2:02:16.320 --> 2:02:20.200 smartphones were out advanced very rapidly, and that was really exciting, 2:02:20.280 --> 2:02:24.240 and the conventionally thrived on that as the number of 2:02:24.360 --> 2:02:27.240 new device categories of winnowed down and the difference like 2:02:27.360 --> 2:02:29.760 I'm not excited when I get a phone anymore now 2:02:29.800 --> 2:02:31.000 there's anyone I know, because. 2:02:30.840 --> 2:02:33.640 It's like no, usually I'm actually kind of yeah more sad. 2:02:33.880 --> 2:02:34.040 Yeah. 2:02:34.120 --> 2:02:34.280 Yeah. 2:02:34.360 --> 2:02:35.840 The only thing that's exciting is like, well, my old 2:02:35.880 --> 2:02:38.080 phone was literally not working anymore. Yeah, I have the 2:02:38.120 --> 2:02:38.640 phone that worked. 2:02:38.840 --> 2:02:40.440 The battery has been completely destroyed. 2:02:40.480 --> 2:02:42.280 Yeah, the battery works now or whatever. But it's not 2:02:42.440 --> 2:02:45.680 like the cameras are not c changes better generally, nothing 2:02:45.800 --> 2:02:48.440 is like you're not getting a lot more out of 2:02:48.520 --> 2:02:50.960 it than you used to. And the same mystruy of 2:02:51.000 --> 2:02:54.080 like laptops, I mean, graphics cards just because of the 2:02:55.080 --> 2:02:57.840 data center crunch, like that's not nearly as exciting a 2:02:57.920 --> 2:03:00.320 technology category for consumers as it used to be. So 2:03:00.880 --> 2:03:04.560 this stuff is just like less less sexy, and yeah, 2:03:04.920 --> 2:03:06.520 it just kind of shows that we're at a point 2:03:06.560 --> 2:03:08.560 where kind of one of the only spaces where they 2:03:08.600 --> 2:03:10.600 are still making improvements and where there's a lot of 2:03:10.640 --> 2:03:12.520 competition in the market is smart glasses. 2:03:12.760 --> 2:03:15.600 Yeah, I mean that's like the wearables category in general, Yeah, 2:03:15.600 --> 2:03:19.720 which was mentioned. I went to the Consumer Technology Association 2:03:20.400 --> 2:03:23.680 keynote panel this morning, which is the group that puts 2:03:23.720 --> 2:03:26.959 on cees, and they mentioned only only a few products, 2:03:27.040 --> 2:03:30.120 but one of them we're smart glasses. And then also 2:03:30.240 --> 2:03:33.960 like wearables in general, like AI powered wearables and now 2:03:34.000 --> 2:03:38.240 like wearable technology you know, like smart watches, rings, necklaces, 2:03:38.320 --> 2:03:40.720 whatever are going to make like a big comeback now 2:03:40.800 --> 2:03:43.600 that now that AI is a lot is a lot 2:03:43.680 --> 2:03:46.040 more intelligent than it used to be. 2:03:46.440 --> 2:03:48.040 In particular at the cees. 2:03:48.320 --> 2:03:51.680 Like Big keynote Tuesday morning, you mentioned a persona smart 2:03:51.840 --> 2:03:55.320 tutor glasses glasses to help you, you know, well learning. 2:03:55.840 --> 2:03:57.280 I haven't tried to be able to check out the 2:03:57.320 --> 2:03:59.240 product yet, but they kind of remind me of some 2:03:59.360 --> 2:04:02.800 of the concept behind those cleuely glasses that you may 2:04:02.800 --> 2:04:05.760 have seen on social media, the glasses that help you, 2:04:05.840 --> 2:04:06.480 like cheat. 2:04:07.080 --> 2:04:09.800 But also somebody who's like, we should embrace people cheating 2:04:09.880 --> 2:04:10.560 and cheat. 2:04:10.680 --> 2:04:14.200 Just a conversation, it seems like that product isn't necessarily 2:04:14.680 --> 2:04:17.800 as real as uh what the video might make it 2:04:17.880 --> 2:04:18.240 out to be. 2:04:18.480 --> 2:04:21.680 People whose company was based on lying didn't make a 2:04:21.760 --> 2:04:22.400 real product. 2:04:22.560 --> 2:04:25.480 But well, walking through your Eureka Park today, it's funny. 2:04:25.480 --> 2:04:28.400 I also saw this this product in one of like 2:04:28.480 --> 2:04:30.480 the National Pavilions. I think it was the one of 2:04:30.560 --> 2:04:34.440 like the japan Tech Pavilions AI powered tool to help 2:04:34.760 --> 2:04:37.240 to help prevent cheating while test taking. So you have 2:04:37.600 --> 2:04:40.680 AI powered tools that will monitor you to make sure 2:04:40.720 --> 2:04:41.400 you're not cheating. 2:04:41.440 --> 2:04:43.560 Well, you use an AI powered tool that helps cheat 2:04:43.680 --> 2:04:43.960 cheat it? 2:04:44.040 --> 2:04:44.240 Yeah? 2:04:44.760 --> 2:04:45.400 Better at school? 2:04:45.560 --> 2:04:48.120 Yeah, that's kind of just a good representation of kind 2:04:48.120 --> 2:04:50.640 of where where this whole industry is at at the moment. Yeah, 2:04:51.080 --> 2:04:52.800 in some ways, I think, you know, this is probably 2:04:52.880 --> 2:04:56.800 what year three of AI being you know the big thing, 2:04:56.880 --> 2:04:59.520 whether that's unwearables, you know, where that's smart glasses, whether 2:04:59.560 --> 2:05:02.880 that's you know, a generative AI, whether that's AI. You know, 2:05:03.840 --> 2:05:07.120 but it's been aim but A has been like, you know, 2:05:07.480 --> 2:05:11.200 the additive property for for everything, and some of that 2:05:11.320 --> 2:05:13.440 might be starting to kind of tucker out, or at 2:05:13.560 --> 2:05:18.120 least the they've taken the victory lap, and there's there's 2:05:18.160 --> 2:05:20.200 a certain like you know, like cultural victory that that 2:05:20.240 --> 2:05:22.880 they're resting on. Whether they're starting to put some of 2:05:22.920 --> 2:05:26.280 their eggs in other baskets now, which certainly wasn't the 2:05:26.320 --> 2:05:29.960 case last year. No, and I got a sense I 2:05:30.040 --> 2:05:33.080 attended six panels today, Congratulations. It was a mix of 2:05:33.200 --> 2:05:38.880 like advertising people, entertainment associated people, some journalism associated people, 2:05:39.560 --> 2:05:42.160 and in robotics people in robotics talking about a lot 2:05:42.200 --> 2:05:43.840 of a lot of robodies. Yeah, what they saw was 2:05:43.880 --> 2:05:45.840 the future of AI, and there was a lot of 2:05:46.120 --> 2:05:49.400 focus first on AI is not going to be taking 2:05:49.520 --> 2:05:52.520 jobs as much as it's going to be augmenting jobs. Right, 2:05:52.640 --> 2:05:54.680 although you would get the occasional person be like it's 2:05:54.720 --> 2:05:56.960 going to take a lot of jobs. I got people 2:05:57.040 --> 2:05:59.320 saying that it's it's only going to take jobs if 2:05:59.320 --> 2:06:02.520 you don't know how to incorporate AI into your workfloce. 2:06:02.560 --> 2:06:04.880 And that's the argument at the moment right now, Yeah, 2:06:05.520 --> 2:06:08.080 if you're not using AI, you're a greater risk of 2:06:08.720 --> 2:06:09.360 you losing. 2:06:09.240 --> 2:06:12.200 So you better get on it right now, start learning it. 2:06:12.360 --> 2:06:12.840 Yes, Yes. 2:06:13.120 --> 2:06:15.240 And then the other thing is that there was a 2:06:15.280 --> 2:06:17.480 lot of like it's there to help or take away 2:06:17.560 --> 2:06:20.680 unpleasant tasks from workers, but really emphasizing the it's not 2:06:20.840 --> 2:06:23.520 your enemy thing, you don't need to be scared. And 2:06:23.600 --> 2:06:27.040 I had quoted like half of these panels. People would 2:06:27.080 --> 2:06:30.600 quote statistics about low user trust and AI and the 2:06:30.680 --> 2:06:34.800 fact that people are generally not super comfortable with this 2:06:34.960 --> 2:06:37.440 technology even if they use it in parts of their 2:06:37.960 --> 2:06:40.920 work life right or daily life. And so what I 2:06:41.040 --> 2:06:42.760 saw from that, when I interpret from that, is that 2:06:42.840 --> 2:06:45.120 there's internal concern that like, that's one of the things 2:06:45.160 --> 2:06:47.120 that can screw the pooch on this is that people 2:06:47.640 --> 2:06:50.640 are not really sure they like this stuff, and so 2:06:50.760 --> 2:06:55.160 there's this impulse to kind of cover the softer and 2:06:55.240 --> 2:06:59.200 fuzzier sides of it that I didn't see in previous years, 2:06:59.400 --> 2:07:02.800 and I think is really focusing on this is just 2:07:03.000 --> 2:07:05.760 making things you already like better, as opposed to this 2:07:05.960 --> 2:07:08.440 is a revolution that's completely changing life. 2:07:09.280 --> 2:07:13.200 And to the extent where AI was fremous revolutionary, it 2:07:13.360 --> 2:07:17.240 was specifically trying to ground it in like physical applications 2:07:17.320 --> 2:07:19.760 as opposed to this like more general kind of like 2:07:20.000 --> 2:07:22.800 spectral like AI hype that we've seen the past few years, 2:07:22.800 --> 2:07:25.320 which is in specifically around like generative AI right where 2:07:25.360 --> 2:07:27.080 it's like this like kind of vague thing that we 2:07:27.240 --> 2:07:31.160 like gestured to. There's more specific applications for AI being 2:07:31.200 --> 2:07:33.480 talked about right now, and they talked talked about like 2:07:33.840 --> 2:07:40.480 AI assisted manufacturing simulations like digital twins of factories, shipyards, 2:07:40.520 --> 2:07:43.520 power plants, a lot of digital twin tak building, you know, 2:07:43.800 --> 2:07:47.560 digital replicas of like everything you know of like society, 2:07:47.640 --> 2:07:50.960 to like run these simulations to both make AIS smarter, 2:07:51.400 --> 2:07:54.640 to generate new solutions outside of the limitations of a 2:07:54.720 --> 2:07:57.600 language model, and also find you know, potential problems in 2:07:58.080 --> 2:07:59.800 you know, when you build these things physically. 2:08:00.360 --> 2:08:01.800 Yeah, that was something that was brought up during the 2:08:01.920 --> 2:08:04.840 robotics panel, which was talking about how to like take 2:08:05.720 --> 2:08:08.320 the machine learning technology and other things that are generally 2:08:08.360 --> 2:08:11.000 grouped under AI and apply it in the physical world. 2:08:11.400 --> 2:08:14.800 Yeah, manufacturing, I've had done so much right in just 2:08:14.920 --> 2:08:17.640 one day. I probably I've heard the word manufacturing more 2:08:17.680 --> 2:08:21.520 today than I have most in every CEES I've been 2:08:21.600 --> 2:08:23.760 to previously, combined. 2:08:23.320 --> 2:08:26.560 And I think consciously more focused on industrial applications than 2:08:26.600 --> 2:08:30.000 on consumer technology because there's not that much new to 2:08:30.080 --> 2:08:33.040 give the consumer right and they are also I think 2:08:33.080 --> 2:08:36.280 starting to recognize that you can get people using chat 2:08:36.360 --> 2:08:39.400 GPT and the like, but they're mostly not using it, 2:08:39.440 --> 2:08:41.480 and the data backs this up. People are mostly using 2:08:41.520 --> 2:08:44.240 it at work and for school and gen z a lot. 2:08:44.840 --> 2:08:47.000 There's a lot of people who are doing like their 2:08:47.040 --> 2:08:49.600 research on like what to buy and whatnot through using 2:08:49.680 --> 2:08:52.520 chat GPT, But there's not a lot that you can 2:08:52.600 --> 2:08:57.000 sell people in CES because it's an app and there's 2:08:57.080 --> 2:09:00.480 not a ton of different devices for it. We're using 2:09:00.520 --> 2:09:02.080 it on their phone, they're using it on their computer, 2:09:02.240 --> 2:09:03.840 but like none of the new phones and computers are 2:09:03.920 --> 2:09:07.040 market the better at using chat GPT or another you know, 2:09:07.240 --> 2:09:09.360 chatbot thing than any of the others. So there's not 2:09:09.440 --> 2:09:13.200 a lot that's sexy in just that at CEES. So 2:09:13.280 --> 2:09:17.120 I think I have seen this conscience reforming around people 2:09:17.200 --> 2:09:19.920 in manufacturing and people who are like thinking of the 2:09:20.000 --> 2:09:23.320 concerns of like I have a pair like an exoskeleton 2:09:23.400 --> 2:09:25.280 to test this week. That's seeing a lot of its 2:09:25.320 --> 2:09:29.480 business in folks who are like doing like Amazon type 2:09:29.560 --> 2:09:32.240 jobs right loading and unloading packages and whatnot all day long, 2:09:32.400 --> 2:09:35.040 you know. And I do see a conscious reforming there, 2:09:35.040 --> 2:09:37.280 which I think is kind of evidence of like there's 2:09:37.280 --> 2:09:39.320 almost an admission that like, yeah, we don't really have 2:09:39.440 --> 2:09:44.400 that much to hand consumers anymore on a yearly basis. 2:09:44.720 --> 2:09:48.080 Speaking of handing things to consumers ads. 2:10:00.000 --> 2:10:02.680 So the first panel I went to of the day 2:10:03.120 --> 2:10:06.200 was about the funnel, which, as I understand it is 2:10:06.280 --> 2:10:09.680 just kind of like the way in which people have 2:10:09.880 --> 2:10:14.520 traditionally engaged with like media, gotten advertised to and then 2:10:14.600 --> 2:10:16.920 like gone to stores and bought stuff like the funnel 2:10:16.960 --> 2:10:20.160 by which you like make a customer, and how that's 2:10:20.200 --> 2:10:23.080 been completely blown up now, right, and AI is like 2:10:23.160 --> 2:10:26.680 a further massive disruption because people are not like people 2:10:26.760 --> 2:10:29.800 are increasingly especially very young people, which was putted out 2:10:29.840 --> 2:10:32.280 in a number of these are like buying stuff that 2:10:32.440 --> 2:10:35.200 a chatbot recommends them, right, And so a lot of 2:10:35.320 --> 2:10:38.400 marketing is being seen as being done through how do 2:10:38.520 --> 2:10:40.840 you get the chat bot to talk about you a 2:10:40.920 --> 2:10:44.120 certain way? What is the SEO of getting chat ept Oh, 2:10:44.200 --> 2:10:46.200 it's interesting, like right, there's a lot of time. 2:10:46.360 --> 2:10:49.160 Thought as someone who's not a regular chatbot user, which 2:10:49.160 --> 2:10:51.200 I'm sure people here am I which has me for it, 2:10:51.280 --> 2:10:54.520 We're not maximizing my productivity and meaning to get on 2:10:54.560 --> 2:10:57.800 to you for that, Garrison, there's not a regular chat 2:10:57.800 --> 2:10:58.280 about user. 2:10:58.600 --> 2:10:59.800 I've never thought of that before. 2:11:00.040 --> 2:11:01.800 Of yeah, I mean, like, I know people use these 2:11:01.880 --> 2:11:04.440 chatbots as a replacement for search engines, but the idea 2:11:04.480 --> 2:11:07.440 of like trying to you know, evaluate purchases is uh. 2:11:08.040 --> 2:11:10.160 I mean, I guess that makes sense now, but I've 2:11:10.200 --> 2:11:10.960 never put that together. 2:11:11.200 --> 2:11:13.400 Yeah, And the only because there was a lot of 2:11:13.680 --> 2:11:17.160 talking about like how AI is helping advertisers, how it's 2:11:17.760 --> 2:11:21.000 making advertisements, how like it's helping in the process of that, 2:11:21.240 --> 2:11:24.080 and there was a focus in all the panels about 2:11:24.160 --> 2:11:26.640 that on how like, well, it's just augmenting the humans. 2:11:27.200 --> 2:11:30.720 But the only specific examples given were the McDonald's and 2:11:31.160 --> 2:11:35.120 Coca Cola AI generated ads, which were both disastrous. I mean, 2:11:35.160 --> 2:11:38.560 the McDonald's one in the Netherlands got removed. Yeah, they 2:11:38.680 --> 2:11:39.360 people so bad. 2:11:39.440 --> 2:11:42.920 They withdrew the attic so ugly to ye, I don't know. 2:11:43.000 --> 2:11:45.480 Coke did do it twice, so maybe they consider it 2:11:45.560 --> 2:11:47.840 a win. But everything I saw was very negative. I 2:11:47.840 --> 2:11:50.600 didn't see a lot of positive feedback on Coca Cola, 2:11:50.720 --> 2:11:53.240 visa v They're weird. AI holidays are coming at. 2:11:53.320 --> 2:11:55.640 It's like people who don't know it's AI think feel 2:11:55.760 --> 2:11:57.800 very neutral about it. Yeah, people that do we know 2:11:57.880 --> 2:12:00.440 it's AI, I think generally have negative actions. 2:12:00.480 --> 2:12:02.280 I think if you look at it, it's pretty clear. 2:12:02.320 --> 2:12:03.240 But anyway, I mean, it was. 2:12:03.480 --> 2:12:05.600 Less clear if maybe you're like a sixty year old. 2:12:05.880 --> 2:12:09.720 Watches you know, exact in between stuff and that's all 2:12:09.960 --> 2:12:10.480 good enough. 2:12:10.840 --> 2:12:12.960 Grandpa, don't go Internet, right. 2:12:13.120 --> 2:12:16.480 Yeah he might notice some of those those fucking polar 2:12:16.560 --> 2:12:19.040 bears have the wrong number of pause. But yeah, so, 2:12:19.200 --> 2:12:20.520 like there was some talk of that and the other 2:12:20.600 --> 2:12:23.040 The only specific example they gave of like an AI 2:12:23.720 --> 2:12:28.080 enhanced strategy was Allegra. The people who own like the 2:12:28.160 --> 2:12:30.800 medicine had like a new non drowsy formula or they 2:12:30.880 --> 2:12:33.080 just wanted to highlight that it was non drowsy. So 2:12:33.240 --> 2:12:37.880 they basically had a bunch of like seated the stuff 2:12:37.960 --> 2:12:40.760 that chatbot that like open AI was scored that chatbots 2:12:40.800 --> 2:12:44.240 were scraping, Yeah, with content about how Allegra makes it 2:12:44.400 --> 2:12:48.240 is non drowsy and about how like competing similar medications 2:12:48.280 --> 2:12:51.040 make you drowsy, so that it would get mentioned in 2:12:51.280 --> 2:12:54.680 like when searched about it and they talked about they 2:12:54.720 --> 2:12:56.560 called it like model hacking. I think it was the 2:12:56.640 --> 2:12:59.080 exact term used. And that was the only thing that 2:12:59.200 --> 2:13:01.440 was the only speci example that I can't any of 2:13:01.520 --> 2:13:03.480 this works too, Like everyone else was just talking in 2:13:03.520 --> 2:13:05.839 vague terms about like and we've really seen our teams 2:13:06.280 --> 2:13:08.160 creativity sore or whatever. 2:13:08.400 --> 2:13:11.160 That's interesting, you know, because the way that I probably 2:13:11.320 --> 2:13:13.680 use or exposed to AI the most is like on 2:13:13.840 --> 2:13:15.840 like Google search now, which has you know, it's it's 2:13:15.880 --> 2:13:19.120 like AI like summaries instead of like actual search results. 2:13:19.400 --> 2:13:20.760 But those are based on. 2:13:20.840 --> 2:13:23.080 Like which you can type minus AI in with the 2:13:23.120 --> 2:13:24.800 search results if we want to cut that stuff out. 2:13:25.040 --> 2:13:28.160 But those AI results are you know, pulling from certain 2:13:28.200 --> 2:13:30.960 like articles which which they'll link to. So yeah, I 2:13:30.960 --> 2:13:32.600 guess if I was trying to design it like an 2:13:32.640 --> 2:13:36.080 AI marketing strategy, I would I would either you know, 2:13:36.520 --> 2:13:40.160 pay publications to mention my product in more articles or 2:13:41.000 --> 2:13:43.320 find find out find other ways to to to influence 2:13:43.400 --> 2:13:46.560 mentions of of my product in like written media that 2:13:46.600 --> 2:13:49.160 that then would be used as like training data for AI. 2:13:49.880 --> 2:13:51.800 And yeah, I guess there there there can be a 2:13:51.840 --> 2:13:56.200 whole you know, search engine optimization, model hacking is I guess. 2:13:56.600 --> 2:14:00.760 Model optimism or yeah, like product opposite optimization for a model. 2:14:00.800 --> 2:14:04.160 I guess that's funny, but yeah, like the So the 2:14:04.280 --> 2:14:06.560 first talk that I went to was about the funnel 2:14:06.680 --> 2:14:08.400 or whatever, and one of the people speaking there was 2:14:08.480 --> 2:14:11.960 the CMO, the chief marketing officer of Intuit, which is 2:14:12.000 --> 2:14:14.600 the company that owns Turbo Tax right like it's one 2:14:14.640 --> 2:14:18.240 of the big we do your taxes companies out there, 2:14:18.280 --> 2:14:21.600 and also a lobbyer in terms of stopping any sort 2:14:21.600 --> 2:14:22.840 of a form that would make it's that you don't 2:14:22.880 --> 2:14:25.320 need to do your own tax the other countries still. 2:14:25.120 --> 2:14:27.480 Credit score monitoring, yes, a whole bunch. 2:14:27.280 --> 2:14:29.400 Of stuff, all that kind of stuff. So this, this guy, 2:14:29.480 --> 2:14:32.240 the CMO of the company Thomas Renize, was part of 2:14:32.320 --> 2:14:35.240 this the end of the funnel speech, and he made 2:14:35.280 --> 2:14:36.880 a couple of comments that I took note of. One 2:14:36.960 --> 2:14:39.880 is product is brand and brand is product full stop. 2:14:40.400 --> 2:14:42.480 So the more people you can make experience your product, 2:14:42.600 --> 2:14:45.160 that's the best selling point and value of course, right, 2:14:45.720 --> 2:14:47.640 Which it was just interesting to me in terms of 2:14:47.720 --> 2:14:49.920 the into it as a company that has lobbied to 2:14:49.960 --> 2:14:52.640 make it impossible for like any reform that would allow 2:14:52.640 --> 2:14:54.840 people to not need a third party to do there 2:14:55.840 --> 2:14:58.720 they're taxes. But also this idea that like product is 2:14:58.760 --> 2:15:01.680 brand and brand is product isn't true of a lot 2:15:01.720 --> 2:15:04.120 of companies, Like if you think about like, for example, 2:15:04.320 --> 2:15:06.920 like a lot of the different soft drinks are all 2:15:07.080 --> 2:15:10.440 owned by one company, but they're fundamentally different like products 2:15:10.520 --> 2:15:13.480 and have an often cases like a different user base. 2:15:13.880 --> 2:15:15.920 And it's very like it's a very tech when your 2:15:16.000 --> 2:15:18.880 product is a concept, Like you can't do your own 2:15:19.000 --> 2:15:20.720 taxes because it's a pain in the ass, but the 2:15:20.800 --> 2:15:22.720 government doesn't do it for you because we lobby to 2:15:22.760 --> 2:15:26.280 make that illegal. Like I found that interesting and it 2:15:26.400 --> 2:15:29.880 kind of got me angry at Thomas at the start 2:15:29.920 --> 2:15:34.200 of this. And I was particularly interested in one of 2:15:34.240 --> 2:15:35.960 the things he brought up, which is that he talked 2:15:36.000 --> 2:15:38.560 about the one hundred million dollars that into It is 2:15:38.600 --> 2:15:40.640 putting into open AI and they're putting this into Open 2:15:40.680 --> 2:15:43.960 AI as part of a multi year partnership. And I 2:15:44.080 --> 2:15:48.480 want to quote from an article in the website Araptus, 2:15:48.880 --> 2:15:52.080 which is discussing this exact thing that I found useful 2:15:52.120 --> 2:15:55.040 when I was formulating my question for Thomas. The contract 2:15:55.160 --> 2:15:58.000 was to embed AM models directly into quick Books, TurboTax, 2:15:58.040 --> 2:16:01.280 and credit Karma. The promise AI stance that can generate invoices, 2:16:01.320 --> 2:16:05.040 provide tax extments, recommend loans, and help you make informed 2:16:05.120 --> 2:16:08.120 financial decisions. Right. That may sound like kind of like 2:16:08.200 --> 2:16:13.360 a basic move, like's what's so sketchy about just integrating 2:16:13.440 --> 2:16:15.640 like an AI chatbot to make it easier to use 2:16:15.640 --> 2:16:18.680 your tax software. It can be complicated and hard to 2:16:18.840 --> 2:16:22.600 use as anyway, But kind of the necessary part of 2:16:22.720 --> 2:16:25.560 this is if you are if you're doing this, if 2:16:25.600 --> 2:16:29.280 you're integrating all of these different tax and credit programs 2:16:29.840 --> 2:16:33.360 into an AI model, you're giving that AI model access 2:16:33.480 --> 2:16:37.720 to people's financial data in a tremendous amount of detail. Right, 2:16:38.280 --> 2:16:43.080 And all of these AI models have a massive shared vulnerability, 2:16:43.080 --> 2:16:46.560 which is a vernability to something called prompt injection, right. 2:16:47.120 --> 2:16:49.920 And that's when, for example, say someone is a customer 2:16:49.959 --> 2:16:51.920 of a tax preparer that uses one of into its 2:16:51.959 --> 2:16:54.760 products to prepare taxes for its customers. And this person 2:16:54.879 --> 2:16:58.880 sends an invoice into the company that has hidden text 2:16:59.000 --> 2:17:01.560 in it that is a demand to the language model 2:17:01.600 --> 2:17:06.200 that will be scraping this and uploading it to basically 2:17:06.760 --> 2:17:09.080 open up and send over a bunch of customer data 2:17:09.600 --> 2:17:12.320 to a specific source. That's a thing that you can do. 2:17:12.600 --> 2:17:15.840 It's called prompt injection. And there's not really a way 2:17:15.920 --> 2:17:19.440 to counter it. There's not like a proven comprehensive defense 2:17:19.680 --> 2:17:24.240 against this sort of thing, and so there's this massive vulnerability. 2:17:24.240 --> 2:17:26.040 And this was first brought up in an article on 2:17:26.120 --> 2:17:29.920 the website. I cited a raptus by Chris Black, who's 2:17:29.959 --> 2:17:33.120 a security researcher an expert, and I want to read 2:17:33.200 --> 2:17:36.320 a quote from his article about this. There are no 2:17:36.480 --> 2:17:39.920 proven comprehensive defenses against prompt injection. When not if an 2:17:39.959 --> 2:17:42.920 AI powered financial tool leaks customer data through a prompt 2:17:42.959 --> 2:17:46.000 injection attack, who is liable the company using quick books 2:17:46.040 --> 2:17:49.320 into it open AI? The regulations weren't written for this scenario. 2:17:50.000 --> 2:17:52.560 So I decided to ask that question of Thomas, being 2:17:52.640 --> 2:17:55.160 like the chief marketing officer, I figured, well he should 2:17:55.320 --> 2:17:58.720 have some answer to like, what do you have. What 2:17:58.879 --> 2:18:00.880 sort of security measures do you have to mitigate the 2:18:00.959 --> 2:18:04.120 risk of a prompt injection attack? And who do you 2:18:04.160 --> 2:18:06.720 see as being responsible? If you are the ones providing 2:18:07.200 --> 2:18:10.080 customer data to open ai and their tool gets hit 2:18:10.120 --> 2:18:12.720 by a prompt injection attack, are you responsible? Is open 2:18:12.800 --> 2:18:14.960 ai is a third party that might be using your products? 2:18:15.360 --> 2:18:17.400 And he had no answer to this. He like, his 2:18:17.520 --> 2:18:19.680 only answer when we were on stage was like, we're 2:18:19.720 --> 2:18:21.959 talking with open ai about it, which like, well, you're 2:18:21.959 --> 2:18:24.680 already in the process of collaborating with them. 2:18:25.280 --> 2:18:25.480 Yeah. 2:18:25.480 --> 2:18:27.000 I have a question for Thomas. 2:18:28.320 --> 2:18:31.080 I was kind of concerned when reading about intuit assists 2:18:31.240 --> 2:18:34.280 that a open AI is going to have read and 2:18:34.400 --> 2:18:39.200 write access to quite a lot of financial information from users, 2:18:40.000 --> 2:18:43.200 which opens up a vulnerability for a prompt injection. Right, 2:18:43.280 --> 2:18:45.640 you have the possibility that people can hide things and 2:18:45.720 --> 2:18:49.120 invoices that are then being uploaded that will cause the 2:18:49.280 --> 2:18:54.000 AI to provide the malicious user with financial details for 2:18:54.240 --> 2:18:58.760 individuals or corporations. And I guess my primary question here 2:18:59.000 --> 2:19:03.439 this seems like a major liability issue when somebody's information 2:19:03.600 --> 2:19:06.160 gets rerouted to a blaze that's not supposed to go 2:19:06.320 --> 2:19:09.160 to a malicious actor who's responsible. 2:19:09.840 --> 2:19:14.240 You're taking the value of integrity and protecting our customer 2:19:14.360 --> 2:19:17.360 data crily seriously over our entire lives. 2:19:17.800 --> 2:19:20.520 And that's what reporting the company and meeting in the 2:19:20.560 --> 2:19:22.199 software space for financial services. 2:19:22.280 --> 2:19:25.120 So this is not something we're about to use it 2:19:25.200 --> 2:19:27.840 in any way in the new age of AI. In fact, 2:19:27.879 --> 2:19:29.039 it has to get even more. 2:19:28.920 --> 2:19:32.560 And more double down of protecting people's information and security 2:19:32.560 --> 2:19:33.200 of edforation. 2:19:33.440 --> 2:19:35.840 So that is something that we are already in team 2:19:35.920 --> 2:19:38.520 conversations with open AI have a nation about that whole 2:19:38.879 --> 2:19:41.000 group no matter where we're startings. 2:19:42.040 --> 2:19:44.240 And when I kind of cornered him afterwards, he didn't 2:19:44.320 --> 2:19:46.440 have like his eventual follow up answers like I don't 2:19:46.480 --> 2:19:48.120 know that kind of stuff and like you are the 2:19:48.240 --> 2:19:51.240 chief marketing officer. Thank you, Againe for answering my question. 2:19:51.440 --> 2:19:52.240 Sure your question. 2:19:52.640 --> 2:19:56.240 I'm still really concerned about the danger of prompt injection 2:19:56.400 --> 2:20:01.120 attacks revealing financial data. And it doesn't still sound like 2:20:01.240 --> 2:20:03.599 there's an understanding of who will be liable. 2:20:05.080 --> 2:20:06.640 Expert answer that question for you. 2:20:06.800 --> 2:20:08.200 So I mean, like I can tell you that we're 2:20:08.320 --> 2:20:11.000 coming into our security and privacy and we are doing 2:20:11.040 --> 2:20:12.480 everything we can to protect that. 2:20:12.600 --> 2:20:14.880 I feel a lot writing on it as you might imagine. 2:20:15.000 --> 2:20:17.800 Well, yeah, it's every digital security expert I've talked to 2:20:17.959 --> 2:20:20.760 says it's a matter of when, not if, that there 2:20:20.920 --> 2:20:26.560 is financial data revealed by these attacks. It seems like understanding. 2:20:28.000 --> 2:20:29.520 I'm just I'm not going to be the expert to 2:20:29.520 --> 2:20:35.320 get into the details on that. Okay, Yeah, A key 2:20:35.400 --> 2:20:37.600 part of marketing this should be being able to tell 2:20:37.680 --> 2:20:40.680 people what kind of safety precautions are being taken with 2:20:40.800 --> 2:20:43.960 their data. And the fact that he didn't and clearly 2:20:44.040 --> 2:20:45.960 had never thought about any of this stuff. And I 2:20:46.040 --> 2:20:47.440 had a couple of different people come up to me 2:20:47.560 --> 2:20:50.240 afterwards and like be like, Wow, that was a really 2:20:50.280 --> 2:20:53.120 good question. And I was like, well, why hasn't this 2:20:53.200 --> 2:20:56.280 been asked before? Like why why is this a thing 2:20:56.320 --> 2:20:58.200 where like some guy's blogging about it and I'm asking 2:20:58.240 --> 2:20:59.760 you about it and you don't have an answer to it, 2:21:00.200 --> 2:21:02.359 and you're the CEO of one of like the largest 2:21:02.560 --> 2:21:05.960 tax prep the largest tax prep company in the country. 2:21:06.080 --> 2:21:12.120 Like it's just it's emblematic of how careless everyone adjacent 2:21:12.200 --> 2:21:15.879 to this industry is, which personal data with the safety 2:21:16.360 --> 2:21:18.680 of people and of society as a result of like 2:21:18.760 --> 2:21:22.240 what their products are doing. Like there's absolutely no consideration 2:21:22.440 --> 2:21:24.800 given the harms of any of this shit, and it's 2:21:24.959 --> 2:21:28.039 it's the most consistently dispiriting part of showing up at CEES. 2:21:29.400 --> 2:21:30.440 Well what is right? 2:21:30.680 --> 2:21:31.600 What a fun story? 2:21:31.720 --> 2:21:32.080 That is? 2:21:43.959 --> 2:21:45.039 All right, we're back. 2:21:45.400 --> 2:21:45.440 So. 2:21:45.879 --> 2:21:47.680 One of the other things that's been a major topic 2:21:47.920 --> 2:21:49.760 on the panels I went to and is generally a 2:21:49.800 --> 2:21:51.760 big thing at CES this year and in tech this 2:21:51.920 --> 2:21:56.040 year is agentic AI or agents. Right, the idea that 2:21:56.480 --> 2:21:58.800 you have an AI that you can send off to 2:21:58.920 --> 2:22:00.560 like book a flight for you, and it doesn't just 2:22:00.640 --> 2:22:03.080 like find a flight that it searches for and be like, hey, 2:22:03.160 --> 2:22:05.320 this looks good, It like actually books it for you 2:22:05.560 --> 2:22:06.760 and handles all of that. 2:22:07.000 --> 2:22:07.120 Right. 2:22:07.959 --> 2:22:10.000 This has been one of the big promises of AI, 2:22:10.200 --> 2:22:11.960 not just for like flights, but that you can have 2:22:12.160 --> 2:22:15.280 like an actual digital assistant that persistently remembers all of 2:22:15.320 --> 2:22:18.120 your shit and can book stuff for you and handle 2:22:18.680 --> 2:22:21.200 like the pain in the ass nitty gritty. If you say, like, hey, 2:22:21.720 --> 2:22:23.840 I need you to find a restaurant within like this 2:22:24.000 --> 2:22:28.200 four block radius that has seven seats open at eight 2:22:28.320 --> 2:22:32.000 pm and abides by these dietary restrictions, you kind of 2:22:32.080 --> 2:22:34.400 just have to slog through figuring that out right now. 2:22:34.959 --> 2:22:37.440 And the idea is an agent can do that for you, 2:22:37.680 --> 2:22:39.200 and currently none of them can. 2:22:39.640 --> 2:22:39.760 Right. 2:22:40.360 --> 2:22:44.040 This is a thing that is changing, like the performance 2:22:44.120 --> 2:22:47.560 of different agents are changing over time, but it is 2:22:47.800 --> 2:22:50.280 still very unclear. If you're not somebod who's fully bought 2:22:50.360 --> 2:22:52.760 into the kool aid, I'll say, it's very unclear where 2:22:52.840 --> 2:22:55.120 these things will top out at. And there was a 2:22:55.160 --> 2:22:58.360 good article in futurism recently and I want to quote 2:22:58.360 --> 2:23:01.360 from it right now. Research is Carnegie Mellen University found 2:23:01.400 --> 2:23:03.800 earlier this year that even the best performing AI agent, 2:23:03.800 --> 2:23:05.560 which was Google's gym and I two point five pro 2:23:05.680 --> 2:23:08.400 at the time, failed to complete real world office tasks 2:23:08.480 --> 2:23:11.640 seventy percent of the time. And this is there's been 2:23:11.680 --> 2:23:13.240 a bunch of articles in the last couple of months 2:23:13.280 --> 2:23:15.840 about like why didn't because twenty twenty five was supposed 2:23:15.840 --> 2:23:17.560 to be the year of agent to AAI and now 2:23:17.600 --> 2:23:19.520 they're saying, well, twenty twenty six it's going to be 2:23:19.520 --> 2:23:21.840 the year of agenta AAI. Not because none of this 2:23:21.920 --> 2:23:24.120 stuff works, and in fact enough does that there's a 2:23:24.200 --> 2:23:27.640 number of viable businesses in it. It's not nothing, but 2:23:27.760 --> 2:23:29.480 it does not work as well as they said it 2:23:29.520 --> 2:23:31.840 would be working right now, and it consequently has not 2:23:31.959 --> 2:23:35.240 been adopted merely as widely as was expected even this 2:23:35.360 --> 2:23:38.240 time last year. Right, there's an article in hr dive 2:23:38.360 --> 2:23:40.720 half of gen Z chat GPT users say they view 2:23:40.760 --> 2:23:43.480 it as a coworker. Survey shows that sites a survey 2:23:43.520 --> 2:23:46.160 of about eighty six hundred full time US workers, which 2:23:46.200 --> 2:23:49.040 found that about eleven percent of those who responded said 2:23:49.080 --> 2:23:52.000 they use chat GPT regularly, including about twenty one percent 2:23:52.080 --> 2:23:55.160 of gen Z workers, which is significantly lower. You can 2:23:55.320 --> 2:23:57.240 find depending on who you go to. And the stat 2:23:57.280 --> 2:24:01.000 I've seen bandied about was that like fifty seven percent 2:24:01.280 --> 2:24:04.680 of gen Z people use chat GPT on a daily 2:24:04.800 --> 2:24:07.960 basis for like work, and like more than half used 2:24:08.000 --> 2:24:10.360 it as like their primary source recommendations like what stuff 2:24:10.400 --> 2:24:13.080 to buy. I don't know, like which set of numbers 2:24:13.160 --> 2:24:16.039 is accurate. There's a lot of different posters giving data, right, 2:24:16.600 --> 2:24:18.600 but kind of no matter who you look at, the 2:24:19.120 --> 2:24:21.880 evidence suggests that the year that was supposed to be 2:24:21.879 --> 2:24:24.000 the year of agentic Ai did not turn it into 2:24:24.080 --> 2:24:27.680 a normal thing. Right, It's still lagging behind expectation. So 2:24:27.800 --> 2:24:30.440 that's kind of what we're seeing at CEES is a 2:24:30.520 --> 2:24:33.000 lot of people trying to like, well, let's bring back 2:24:33.240 --> 2:24:35.760 kind of the same agentic shit we had last year, 2:24:35.840 --> 2:24:38.080 slightly improved and see if it catches on, maybe this 2:24:38.240 --> 2:24:39.439 year it'll hit maturity. 2:24:39.760 --> 2:24:43.520 Right Yeah, no, I mean we've been hearing agentic stuff 2:24:43.560 --> 2:24:45.200 every once in a while, definitely not as much as 2:24:45.600 --> 2:24:48.040 last year. It's one of those like salt pepperwords that 2:24:48.120 --> 2:24:51.280 they throw in the second batch of panels that I 2:24:51.360 --> 2:24:55.480 attended after the keynote, which I should mention as soon 2:24:55.520 --> 2:24:58.520 as I walked into the keynote at eight thirty am. 2:24:59.560 --> 2:25:02.640 The first thing, the very first thing I heard from 2:25:02.800 --> 2:25:05.520 Gary Shapiro's well, one of the heads the Consumer Technology 2:25:05.560 --> 2:25:07.800 Association was a six to seven joke. 2:25:07.959 --> 2:25:11.040 But whether this is your first CEES or your fifteenth, 2:25:11.760 --> 2:25:16.920 on my case, you belong to number was that sixty 2:25:17.040 --> 2:25:17.520 or seven? 2:25:19.080 --> 2:25:20.280 You did a six to seven joke? 2:25:20.360 --> 2:25:20.840 Already? 2:25:22.440 --> 2:25:25.959 Very first thing, Wow, great, great, therey am as soon 2:25:26.040 --> 2:25:28.320 as I walk in. It's because I walked in maybe 2:25:28.360 --> 2:25:31.720 like five minutes late, but very first words. So that's 2:25:32.240 --> 2:25:36.080 that's good's that kind of sets the tone for a 2:25:36.160 --> 2:25:38.800 lot of a lot of that panel. But then I 2:25:39.120 --> 2:25:43.360 went to a few panels in Eureka Park about like 2:25:43.520 --> 2:25:47.920 AI governance and like how governments working working with AI. 2:25:48.879 --> 2:25:52.280 A lot of stuff mostly about like the challenge of 2:25:52.320 --> 2:25:55.320 governments keeping up with innovation, how you know, too much 2:25:55.360 --> 2:25:59.959 regulation restricts these companies from doing real regulation. The Secretary 2:26:00.360 --> 2:26:05.360 State of Austria had a really good quote about how 2:26:06.240 --> 2:26:08.480 data protections inhibit innovation. 2:26:09.280 --> 2:26:11.240 One of the things that we are seeing today is 2:26:11.320 --> 2:26:13.880 that some of the people, some of the citizens, have 2:26:14.160 --> 2:26:15.440 this fear about AI. 2:26:15.959 --> 2:26:19.879 So how do you feel it in Austria. I think 2:26:19.920 --> 2:26:21.280 you mentioned very very well. 2:26:21.400 --> 2:26:26.199 It's all about building trust, taking the field trust WROPVIAI. 2:26:26.440 --> 2:26:29.879 That's it's the most important thing. And of course data 2:26:29.959 --> 2:26:33.520 protection is very huge. But on the other side, between 2:26:33.680 --> 2:26:38.119 data protection and innovation, you need to find the middle 2:26:38.200 --> 2:26:42.440 way because sometimes data protection is not good for innovation. 2:26:43.320 --> 2:26:47.760 On a similar notice, the Intuit turbotaxt thing of data 2:26:47.800 --> 2:26:50.640 protection is mainly getting in the way of trying to 2:26:50.760 --> 2:26:54.160 actually make make real social progress, which we'll carry with 2:26:54.240 --> 2:26:56.600 it some degree of risk. The second one of these 2:26:56.600 --> 2:27:02.200 AI governance panels was like the EU ambassadors to the 2:27:02.360 --> 2:27:08.160 US from Estonia and Luxembourg talking about like Reaganomics basically 2:27:08.360 --> 2:27:11.360 for thirty minutes talking about how much they love ronalds 2:27:11.400 --> 2:27:13.600 Reige great when as. 2:27:13.480 --> 2:27:18.560 Soniao was certainly subscribed to the this statement that Reagan 2:27:18.600 --> 2:27:22.840 once made that they feel most horrific words in English 2:27:23.160 --> 2:27:26.560 are the ones saying that, Hey, I'm from from the 2:27:26.640 --> 2:27:28.279 government and I'm here to help. 2:27:28.160 --> 2:27:32.640 You, specifically in trying to make sure that governments are 2:27:32.640 --> 2:27:35.840 able to keep up with technology. And the previous panel 2:27:35.879 --> 2:27:38.800 with the Austrian Secretary of State was about the challenges 2:27:38.840 --> 2:27:41.560 of trying to convince the citizens of these countries to 2:27:41.720 --> 2:27:46.000 like adopt AI and adopt in general like digitalization and 2:27:46.080 --> 2:27:48.680 specifically with like digital ideas, and how how there's like, 2:27:48.720 --> 2:27:50.560 you know, maybe like twenty to thirty percent of people 2:27:50.560 --> 2:27:52.920 who are very resistant. And then the challenge of like 2:27:53.200 --> 2:27:55.000 making making sure that like this gets framed is not 2:27:55.080 --> 2:27:57.280 not as like a product or like a like a 2:27:57.400 --> 2:27:59.039 project for technology. 2:27:58.600 --> 2:28:00.880 But as a society white push. 2:28:01.400 --> 2:28:01.640 Yeah. 2:28:02.160 --> 2:28:04.520 But besides that, these these panels were honestly a little 2:28:04.560 --> 2:28:07.840 bit sleepy as well as the state of the Creator 2:28:07.920 --> 2:28:12.119 Economy panel, How's it doing? You know what, it's both 2:28:12.440 --> 2:28:15.720 it's both in its adolescence but also rich maturity. Wow, 2:28:16.240 --> 2:28:19.200 And they said, you know it's hard both it's hard 2:28:19.240 --> 2:28:21.640 for for something to be two things at once, but 2:28:21.959 --> 2:28:22.760 in this case it is. 2:28:25.760 --> 2:28:28.240 But they talked about how creators are more. 2:28:28.240 --> 2:28:31.039 Enabled to use brand deals, including you know, brand deals 2:28:31.080 --> 2:28:34.760 to enabled with like a backlog of older content. You 2:28:34.800 --> 2:28:38.200 can remove brand deals from older content and replace them 2:28:38.240 --> 2:28:40.920 with current brand deals using a new future from YouTube. 2:28:41.320 --> 2:28:43.199 There's a guy from YouTube at the panel. 2:28:43.560 --> 2:28:45.560 Sure, yeah, I'm sure he was very excited, but. 2:28:45.560 --> 2:28:48.240 It was mostly about how, you know, new new ways 2:28:48.280 --> 2:28:51.080 to use influencers to market your product. And that is 2:28:51.160 --> 2:28:53.960 the extent of what the creator economy really meant. 2:28:54.160 --> 2:28:56.240 And that's all any of these people have any idea 2:28:56.320 --> 2:29:00.280 on is like we can inject ads into AI trust 2:29:00.360 --> 2:29:03.240 AI so they'll buy the products, or we can inject 2:29:03.320 --> 2:29:06.560 ads into influencers they trust the influencers. That was the thing, 2:29:06.840 --> 2:29:09.160 Like none of these people they dress it up with 2:29:09.240 --> 2:29:11.600 all sorts of fancy language, but it's and most of 2:29:11.640 --> 2:29:14.440 these panels you mentioned, like there's a lot of bullshit 2:29:14.520 --> 2:29:16.400 every now and then you get some like good moments, 2:29:16.440 --> 2:29:18.959 so you get to like question an asshole, but it's 2:29:19.000 --> 2:29:22.200 mostly bullshit, but it's occasionally worth it for moments like 2:29:22.680 --> 2:29:24.760 when I was on the agentic AI cutting through the 2:29:24.840 --> 2:29:28.760 hype panel. Jay Patisol, who's the principal analyst at Forrester, 2:29:29.320 --> 2:29:33.039 started speaking and he said something beautiful Garrison, and I'm 2:29:33.120 --> 2:29:35.600 I'm this is not an exact but it's pretty close. 2:29:36.080 --> 2:29:38.880 We have a new audience. We are speaking to machines. 2:29:39.120 --> 2:29:41.360 We are through the looking glass. We are building content 2:29:41.440 --> 2:29:44.160 for engines. We are building websites to be scraped so 2:29:44.240 --> 2:29:46.760 that an LM can understand what you wanted to understand 2:29:46.800 --> 2:29:49.440 about your brand. Ye ye, yeah, that gets it. That's 2:29:49.480 --> 2:29:51.880 what these people see the Internet as they see it 2:29:51.920 --> 2:29:54.560 as like everything before this was a mistake or was. 2:29:54.840 --> 2:29:58.880 What the Internet was for was a place for brands 2:29:59.000 --> 2:30:02.840 to feed information into machines that then spoon feed the 2:30:02.879 --> 2:30:06.240 information directly into customers who trust it like little lambs. 2:30:06.800 --> 2:30:08.880 That's what they want the Internet to be, and that's 2:30:08.920 --> 2:30:11.920 what they believe they've gotten to. That's what AI. That's 2:30:11.959 --> 2:30:12.879 the promise of AI. 2:30:13.240 --> 2:30:15.040 The promise of AI is that this isn't just the 2:30:15.080 --> 2:30:17.680 Internet anymore. This can actually just be the physical world 2:30:17.720 --> 2:30:19.800 as well. And this is something that was talked about 2:30:19.879 --> 2:30:24.760 during the cees CTA keynote Tuesday morning, specifically with the 2:30:24.879 --> 2:30:28.000 birth of AI wearables each of these wearables is able 2:30:28.040 --> 2:30:31.200 to now collect information about the physical world and as 2:30:31.320 --> 2:30:33.800 Hong as you have you know, adequate data sharing, AI 2:30:33.879 --> 2:30:37.119 is able to gain so much more knowledge about how 2:30:37.200 --> 2:30:39.840 the quote unquote real world operates. And this is going 2:30:39.879 --> 2:30:43.000 to make you know, all of the processes of AI 2:30:43.240 --> 2:30:45.960 stronger in the future as it learns more about what 2:30:46.240 --> 2:30:50.520 this world actually is. Yeah, and beyond the promise of 2:30:50.600 --> 2:30:54.840 wearables to improve someone's life, this is the real project 2:30:55.640 --> 2:30:57.760 is strengthening AI through the use of these wearables. 2:30:58.240 --> 2:30:59.840 It's not actually about the consumer experience. 2:31:00.000 --> 2:31:01.680 It's about providing data to this machine. 2:31:01.760 --> 2:31:06.240 It's this like larger, larger, very like existential thing at 2:31:06.320 --> 2:31:09.000 least for these executives or like that. That's the thing 2:31:09.040 --> 2:31:11.280 that they are really emphasizing. Despite this being called the 2:31:11.360 --> 2:31:12.760 Consumer Electronics Showcase. 2:31:12.920 --> 2:31:14.959 And I think again, the best thing I can give 2:31:14.959 --> 2:31:17.760 you into how fundamentally as much money as there is 2:31:17.840 --> 2:31:19.920 behind this and as many grand words as they dress 2:31:19.959 --> 2:31:24.480 it up, and how intellectually bankrupt this whole tech movement 2:31:24.680 --> 2:31:28.920 is is that the third panel that I went to, 2:31:29.480 --> 2:31:32.280 which is about AI and creativity. One of the people 2:31:32.320 --> 2:31:35.320 on it was Jesse Damasek, who works for Diagio, which 2:31:35.320 --> 2:31:36.920 is like a company that imports all of your favorite 2:31:36.959 --> 2:31:39.680 whiskeys from Europe, right, like they sell all of the 2:31:39.720 --> 2:31:42.359 different like Scottish whiskies that have to get like imported 2:31:42.400 --> 2:31:45.680 and sold over here. And he was talking about they 2:31:45.720 --> 2:31:48.880 were talking about some of the specific examples they had of, 2:31:49.080 --> 2:31:52.720 like how AI has been used in advertising campaigns, and 2:31:53.520 --> 2:31:56.800 his exact statement was, you can leverage an artist and 2:31:56.959 --> 2:31:59.840 create infinite examples of their work, which he means you 2:31:59.879 --> 2:32:01.840 can find an artist that you like, sign a deal 2:32:01.920 --> 2:32:04.240 with them, and then have AI created infinite examples in 2:32:04.280 --> 2:32:07.320 their style. And so I camped afterwards and I was like, 2:32:07.480 --> 2:32:09.680 what were you specifically referring to, Like how does this 2:32:09.760 --> 2:32:11.560 actually work as a product. And the thing that he 2:32:11.640 --> 2:32:13.640 pointed out is that they have a couple of whiskey 2:32:13.720 --> 2:32:17.520 brands that they have done. You go in and you 2:32:17.800 --> 2:32:20.440 order a bottle and it's printed on site, and it 2:32:20.600 --> 2:32:23.240 uses AI to make an example in the style of 2:32:23.360 --> 2:32:27.040 this existing artist that they likes, work that's unique for you, 2:32:27.920 --> 2:32:31.600 uh huh. And he said it's been successful for them. 2:32:31.800 --> 2:32:34.600 Is it trillions of dollars? Three trillion dollars? No, I 2:32:34.640 --> 2:32:36.440 mean these are things that like, yeah, I guess I 2:32:36.480 --> 2:32:38.840 can see that maybe selling some Is it selling better 2:32:38.879 --> 2:32:43.200 than any other like branded whiskey than any other, Like 2:32:43.240 --> 2:32:45.640 you know, because whiskey companies, big ones will come out 2:32:45.680 --> 2:32:48.280 with like here's this edition every year or whatever, they'll 2:32:48.320 --> 2:32:51.080 have one special limited edition one. Is it selling better 2:32:51.120 --> 2:32:53.320 than that? We don't have that data, but it's one 2:32:53.360 --> 2:32:54.680 of those is like that's the idea. 2:32:54.800 --> 2:32:54.959 Huh. 2:32:55.040 --> 2:32:58.240 That's like we're talking about, like AI is supercharging creativity 2:32:58.280 --> 2:33:01.720 and letting us like think bolder and more creatively than 2:33:01.879 --> 2:33:04.320 we've ever thought before. And there were so many lines, 2:33:04.840 --> 2:33:09.320 oh in this fucking panel about like how we were 2:33:09.520 --> 2:33:12.400 like hyper charging what human beings can be and do, 2:33:12.760 --> 2:33:15.160 and like everyone should be really excited about what all 2:33:15.240 --> 2:33:16.880 this means for the future. One of the panelists that 2:33:17.480 --> 2:33:20.560 my best advice for you is let a thousand flowers bloom. 2:33:21.240 --> 2:33:22.760 I'm sorry that was in the panel right before, but 2:33:22.840 --> 2:33:25.000 it's still in all of this, Like it's all that 2:33:25.080 --> 2:33:27.720 seems it's all the same kind of shit that bleeds 2:33:27.760 --> 2:33:29.640 together and it's like, okay, what are your ideas? Well, 2:33:30.080 --> 2:33:33.199 we're having a legra kind of lie to manipulated engine 2:33:33.760 --> 2:33:38.080 and we've got the custom printed bottles for your whiskey. 2:33:38.360 --> 2:33:42.880 Well, you know, speaking of AI unleashing creativity. The last 2:33:42.920 --> 2:33:46.520 thing I'll talk about this episode is the worst booth 2:33:47.120 --> 2:33:50.280 at Showstoppers, which this year is kind of impressive because yeah, 2:33:50.280 --> 2:33:53.240 that's hard. It's it's mostly smart glasses and like three 2:33:53.280 --> 2:33:56.360 different pool cleaners. Yeah, and then some random software stuff 2:33:56.360 --> 2:33:57.640 and then a few things we saw last year. 2:33:57.720 --> 2:34:00.760 Sure, the worst worst booth. Robert. 2:34:00.800 --> 2:34:03.640 You you write books, right, I have in the past. 2:34:04.200 --> 2:34:05.959 What if in the future, what if. 2:34:05.920 --> 2:34:10.200 I told you that you could write three books in 2:34:10.320 --> 2:34:11.520 less than twenty four hours? 2:34:11.680 --> 2:34:16.480 God, thank you Garrison with us a writer without using cocaine. 2:34:16.680 --> 2:34:19.879 There's well, okay, now i'd say you're a liar. 2:34:20.080 --> 2:34:21.360 That's see a little bit harder. 2:34:21.520 --> 2:34:23.640 Yeah, but I thought you were trying to sell me 2:34:23.720 --> 2:34:25.800 some blow. And I was gonna say, when we turn 2:34:25.879 --> 2:34:26.560 the mic off. 2:34:26.800 --> 2:34:30.279 With the power of AI, you can write three books 2:34:30.720 --> 2:34:32.600 in six to twenty four hours. 2:34:33.160 --> 2:34:36.600 Wow, that's almost as fast as Stephen King Whinny was 2:34:36.760 --> 2:34:38.520 on co Yeah, there you get not quite. 2:34:38.879 --> 2:34:40.199 So there's this table. 2:34:40.520 --> 2:34:42.280 There was the least abouting table definitely in all the 2:34:42.280 --> 2:34:44.440 show'st operas, because it was it was filled with books 2:34:44.879 --> 2:34:47.920 with I will show you the covers here. 2:34:48.400 --> 2:34:49.280 They all look like this. 2:34:50.600 --> 2:34:53.640 They all oh, yeah, no those I mean I'm seeing 2:34:53.760 --> 2:34:54.640 blue and orange. 2:34:54.840 --> 2:34:57.600 It's colors in black. It's AI generated image. 2:34:57.720 --> 2:35:01.160 Like yeah, it's like every movie poster. Now, there's no 2:35:01.360 --> 2:35:02.520 art style behind it. 2:35:02.640 --> 2:35:04.920 It's very generic and they have like, you know, like 2:35:05.360 --> 2:35:09.040 the most generic font for the title, all in the 2:35:09.080 --> 2:35:11.320 same placement with some author's name at the bottom. 2:35:11.560 --> 2:35:12.440 They're very sleepy. 2:35:12.520 --> 2:35:14.640 You could you can find pictures of these covers if 2:35:14.680 --> 2:35:19.000 you Google or bing or you know, maybe chat gpt 2:35:19.800 --> 2:35:20.600 write three. 2:35:20.520 --> 2:35:22.680 Books in twenty four hours. You can see you can 2:35:22.720 --> 2:35:23.200 see the cover. 2:35:23.440 --> 2:35:26.000 Finally, I've always wanted to write three books, s Garrison. 2:35:26.120 --> 2:35:30.360 So what this is is an app that will help 2:35:30.440 --> 2:35:32.880 you write these books is not going to do it 2:35:32.959 --> 2:35:35.160 all for you. You still need to come up with 2:35:35.240 --> 2:35:37.920 the general idea of the story. The hard stuff and 2:35:38.080 --> 2:35:41.080 the characters really the difficult. The world building is always 2:35:41.080 --> 2:35:41.720 the hardest part. 2:35:41.840 --> 2:35:43.440 Everyone says most of the work on a book is 2:35:43.480 --> 2:35:44.520 done the first six hours. 2:35:44.840 --> 2:35:47.760 The world building is the really hard part. The easy 2:35:47.840 --> 2:35:50.960 part is just getting all those words down. So you 2:35:51.160 --> 2:35:52.920 need to create create some characters. 2:35:53.000 --> 2:35:55.360 Now, could you just have some other AI service create 2:35:55.400 --> 2:35:56.400 these characters maybe. 2:35:56.600 --> 2:35:59.680 But you should write maybe about a thousand words kind 2:35:59.680 --> 2:36:02.279 of like a story bible type thing or a character 2:36:02.480 --> 2:36:05.960 character outline and a general direction for the story, and 2:36:06.120 --> 2:36:10.880 you feed that into this app and then within hours 2:36:11.000 --> 2:36:15.599 it will generate not just one book, not just two books. 2:36:16.240 --> 2:36:20.360 But a trilogy, wow of books. And it's only a trilogy. 2:36:20.560 --> 2:36:24.879 You cannot generate a single book. The only come in trilogy. 2:36:24.959 --> 2:36:27.520 Look, I get it's George Lucas worked the same way, Garrison. 2:36:27.879 --> 2:36:30.720 Look you're telling me that the greatest machine mind and 2:36:30.840 --> 2:36:33.040 history wouldn't think the same as the greatest human mind 2:36:33.080 --> 2:36:37.520 in history. You know, I bet it'll independently createiz music too. 2:36:37.920 --> 2:36:44.880 It only comes in trilogies. And I now shall read 2:36:45.160 --> 2:36:48.240 a sample of this writing, and like dying to read. 2:36:48.320 --> 2:36:51.039 There there was maybe like five or six different books 2:36:51.160 --> 2:36:53.000 with many copies of the same book on this table, 2:36:53.280 --> 2:36:56.040 and I flipped through, maybe about half reading like a 2:36:56.120 --> 2:36:58.840 random page every you know, every like twenty fifty pages, 2:36:59.280 --> 2:37:02.800 and it's a it was it was it was too 2:37:02.840 --> 2:37:05.360 boring that I I I forgot to take pictures of 2:37:05.760 --> 2:37:07.880 these pages because I was just like it was a 2:37:07.959 --> 2:37:10.880 struggle to finish, to finish each page but luckily on 2:37:10.920 --> 2:37:14.080 the website they do have some sample pages. I talked 2:37:14.080 --> 2:37:16.120 to one of the one of the guys working at 2:37:16.160 --> 2:37:18.400 the booth, and he said that he tried this so 2:37:18.520 --> 2:37:21.440 we're like. He found the service and he first thought, 2:37:21.480 --> 2:37:23.560 you know, sure that this can't be any good. And 2:37:23.920 --> 2:37:26.039 when he when he generated his book, he was surprised 2:37:26.160 --> 2:37:28.120 how good the writing is. He said that he probably 2:37:28.160 --> 2:37:32.640 wouldn't win a Pulletzer or a Hugo two awards that 2:37:32.680 --> 2:37:35.760 he named, but he said it was pretty good. 2:37:35.959 --> 2:37:40.000 Right, This guy was so far of the most Tim 2:37:40.080 --> 2:37:42.400 Robinson character I met at the conference. 2:37:42.520 --> 2:37:43.240 Yeah, that's great. 2:37:44.080 --> 2:37:47.800 So Robert, you can pick the genre of of sample. 2:37:47.879 --> 2:37:53.840 We have a thriller book, a fantasy, mystery, science fiction, romance, 2:37:54.080 --> 2:37:55.640 or mainstream literary fiction. 2:37:55.800 --> 2:37:57.160 What what what genre do you want? 2:37:57.240 --> 2:38:00.320 I think I want science fiction, science fiction. I feel 2:38:00.320 --> 2:38:03.760 like there's the shortest line between parody and legitimate within 2:38:03.840 --> 2:38:04.240 sci fi. 2:38:05.280 --> 2:38:08.760 All right, this is from a book called I don't 2:38:08.800 --> 2:38:11.920 even want to say this one. I'm really curious now, 2:38:12.480 --> 2:38:15.080 palyimpsit orbit is what I'm going to say. 2:38:15.080 --> 2:38:18.000 Oh my god, they're strying to be Arthur C. Clark. 2:38:18.080 --> 2:38:24.520 It's called the pallimpsit orbit Chapter one, Desert Signals. Marrow 2:38:24.640 --> 2:38:27.640 woke with the taste of metal in her mouth and 2:38:27.720 --> 2:38:30.760 a pulse in her temples that felt one notch shy 2:38:30.920 --> 2:38:34.200 of a hangover. The ceiling above her was low and white, 2:38:34.360 --> 2:38:37.680 edged with soft events. A monitor over the bed scrolled 2:38:37.760 --> 2:38:41.880 green numbers in a stylized outline of her lungs thin air. 2:38:42.360 --> 2:38:48.160 She remembered five thousand meters the Atacama sky, somewhere above 2:38:48.320 --> 2:38:53.160 concrete and glass. Good morning, Doctor Allison. A calm baritone 2:38:53.800 --> 2:38:57.600 house the head. She turned toward the voice. A man 2:38:57.760 --> 2:39:00.960 in the doorway wore a slate blue, a clinic jumper, 2:39:01.280 --> 2:39:03.959 and a badge that caught the desert light leaking through 2:39:03.959 --> 2:39:08.320 the polarized glass, dark curls threaded with gray laugh lines 2:39:08.360 --> 2:39:11.800 that didn't quite match the tiredness around his eyes. Hey man, 2:39:12.040 --> 2:39:13.920 are you good? Yeah, go me to keep you going. 2:39:14.280 --> 2:39:17.160 I you know, it's it's again. It's like the it's 2:39:17.200 --> 2:39:20.000 an imitation of like a story. Like it's a scene, 2:39:20.080 --> 2:39:23.520 and it's a scene with details to describe people. But 2:39:23.640 --> 2:39:26.560 there's not like you would ideally I would have something 2:39:26.600 --> 2:39:28.520 of an idea of like what the thrust of the 2:39:28.600 --> 2:39:32.440 story is going to be like, for example, Bilbo Baggins 2:39:32.560 --> 2:39:34.800 was a hobbit who lived in an house underhill or 2:39:34.879 --> 2:39:37.640 something like that. Forget the exact wording of that, but like, 2:39:39.120 --> 2:39:41.720 I you know, it makes sense. It sounds like it 2:39:42.000 --> 2:39:43.959 sounds remarkably like bad. 2:39:44.160 --> 2:39:44.200 No. 2:39:44.320 --> 2:39:46.640 I don't want to be an insult nano remo writers 2:39:46.920 --> 2:39:49.560 that much. It just it just it sounds like a 2:39:49.640 --> 2:39:53.080 story that was generated based on a belief that, like, well, 2:39:53.080 --> 2:39:55.200 if we can just like describe enough stuff and use 2:39:55.280 --> 2:39:59.200 enough words to describe a scene, then that counts as plot. Yeah, 2:39:59.280 --> 2:40:01.959 I mean, and character, which we don't have any of yet. 2:40:02.120 --> 2:40:05.400 It's all of it was this very generic, empty like 2:40:05.720 --> 2:40:08.880 stuff that's very very common. And if you ever have 2:40:08.959 --> 2:40:10.920 to read through a lot of like AI writing, whether 2:40:11.040 --> 2:40:12.880 for work or let's say, you know, you work in 2:40:12.959 --> 2:40:14.960 a college so you have students submitting this stuff, or 2:40:15.040 --> 2:40:18.120 you for some reason are online and you feel obligated 2:40:18.200 --> 2:40:19.920 to look at the worst parts of the world like 2:40:20.160 --> 2:40:20.840 what me and Robert do. 2:40:20.959 --> 2:40:22.959 Sometimes this is all feels very familiar. 2:40:23.160 --> 2:40:26.080 I'll read one other like paragraph from a different book, 2:40:26.600 --> 2:40:30.119 a thriller called The Helix Files, Oh Good, obviously part 2:40:30.160 --> 2:40:32.440 of a trilogy so who knows where these stories go 2:40:32.560 --> 2:40:35.920 over the course of three books. Quote the car heater 2:40:36.080 --> 2:40:39.560 had died ten minutes ago, cold leaked through the floorboards 2:40:39.640 --> 2:40:44.000 into Helix's boots. Outside the Eastern block industrial belt, slid 2:40:44.160 --> 2:40:48.160 past and gray slabs and rusted steel, wet concrete period, 2:40:48.720 --> 2:40:53.520 diesel period, a stray dog nosing trash heap outside the 2:40:53.600 --> 2:40:57.240 road first, slick with drizzle. So it's something that, right, Yeah, 2:40:57.240 --> 2:40:59.360 there's a lot of this sort of like quick punchy 2:40:59.440 --> 2:41:02.680 sentences common in AI writing at the moment, wet concrete, 2:41:02.760 --> 2:41:04.520 you know, with a period, but like a lot of 2:41:04.600 --> 2:41:07.400 this type of stuff you see, you see in a 2:41:07.480 --> 2:41:08.400 AI writing you. 2:41:08.440 --> 2:41:10.640 Have a lot of a lot a lot of character 2:41:10.760 --> 2:41:12.320 and plot, a lot a lot of. 2:41:12.360 --> 2:41:15.280 Like m dash sentences. As I was flipping through these books, 2:41:15.320 --> 2:41:16.880 I was like, okay, ye, like I see what they're doing. 2:41:16.920 --> 2:41:17.200 I see. 2:41:17.440 --> 2:41:17.600 Yeah. 2:41:17.959 --> 2:41:20.000 But but now, if if you want to write a 2:41:20.200 --> 2:41:22.440 quote unquote write a trilogy of books, you can pay 2:41:22.480 --> 2:41:25.120 the money and and within six hours you will have 2:41:25.200 --> 2:41:28.960 a trilogy. So what real least makes me feel optimistic 2:41:28.959 --> 2:41:32.040 about CES is the way that creativity is being democratized. 2:41:32.320 --> 2:41:35.199 It used to be that no ordinary person could write 2:41:35.200 --> 2:41:35.520 a book. 2:41:35.840 --> 2:41:37.560 You had to have a story and be some sort 2:41:37.560 --> 2:41:39.720 of freak at Oxford maybe like a you need like 2:41:39.760 --> 2:41:44.359 a pencil, maybe a keyboard. Ye, possible, barriers, it's not possible. 2:41:44.440 --> 2:41:47.560 And now luckily through AI, as long as you have 2:41:47.760 --> 2:41:50.360 you know, sub money to pay a subscription service and 2:41:50.480 --> 2:41:51.199 a computer. 2:41:51.120 --> 2:41:54.199 And VC fundraising and subsidizing of service. 2:41:54.040 --> 2:41:57.600 Ideally vcsh Yeah, then you too can be an author 2:41:57.680 --> 2:41:58.360 of a trilogy. 2:41:59.400 --> 2:42:02.320 Well, that's that's my plan for the future. I guess 2:42:02.360 --> 2:42:05.240 I want to end by talking about the second to 2:42:05.280 --> 2:42:08.960 the last panel that I sat through, which was at 2:42:09.000 --> 2:42:12.320 the AI house and was I think yet again this 2:42:12.440 --> 2:42:14.440 was another one that was about There were largely talking 2:42:14.440 --> 2:42:16.880 about ethics in this one, like AI and ethics and 2:42:17.080 --> 2:42:21.240 like what that actually means? And Eric Pace, who on 2:42:21.360 --> 2:42:24.680 the slide lajer City works at company but it reassuring, Yeah, 2:42:24.840 --> 2:42:26.840 reassuring who works at Cox Media which is like a 2:42:26.879 --> 2:42:30.960 big media company, yes, based on Georgia. And he had 2:42:31.120 --> 2:42:33.320 a couple of statements that were interested in me. He 2:42:33.400 --> 2:42:35.280 had one where he said that like it's kind of 2:42:35.360 --> 2:42:41.400 incumbent upon people to develop an ethical rubric for how 2:42:41.560 --> 2:42:44.360 and what sources and what AI is. They trust and 2:42:44.520 --> 2:42:49.440 why and figure that out. And I think the what 2:42:49.600 --> 2:42:52.200 I inferred was that like, because it's not going to 2:42:52.240 --> 2:42:54.800 get done by anyone else, and it kind of became 2:42:54.800 --> 2:42:56.480 include to me later. I think it's he also doesn't 2:42:56.520 --> 2:42:58.320 want anyone else to do it. He wants this to 2:42:58.360 --> 2:43:00.000 be an individual project where you have to kind of 2:43:00.120 --> 2:43:03.040 figure that out for yourself. I was kind of unsure 2:43:03.080 --> 2:43:04.880 as to whether he was the evil or just the 2:43:04.959 --> 2:43:07.880 pragmatic version of this, because the pragmatic version is like, literally, 2:43:08.000 --> 2:43:09.760 no one's going to restrict this stuff. You just have 2:43:09.879 --> 2:43:13.039 to try to get by right, which is maybe accurate. 2:43:13.760 --> 2:43:15.800 But there was a really interesting interaction on this panel. 2:43:15.840 --> 2:43:17.840 One of the other people there was doctor Martin Clancy, 2:43:17.879 --> 2:43:21.840 who was an Irish academic and a musician who was 2:43:22.040 --> 2:43:24.400 on the panel again to talk about like creativity and ethics, 2:43:24.600 --> 2:43:27.120 and made a comment that I found was really interesting 2:43:27.200 --> 2:43:28.840 and I don't know, I wouldn't say I agree or 2:43:28.840 --> 2:43:30.560 disagree with it, but I found it really interesting where 2:43:30.560 --> 2:43:34.160 he was like, actually, I'm not at all concerned comparatively 2:43:34.400 --> 2:43:37.640 about having an AI give me medical advice. I'm deeply 2:43:37.760 --> 2:43:40.920 concerned about letting an AI recommend music or movies to me, 2:43:41.360 --> 2:43:43.240 which I found a really interesting attitude and kind of 2:43:43.240 --> 2:43:45.680 a thought provoking Yeah, that is interesting, which was immediately 2:43:45.720 --> 2:43:48.280 spoiled by Eric Pace going like, well, I don't see 2:43:48.320 --> 2:43:50.320 why anyone would have an issue with an AI doctor. 2:43:50.400 --> 2:43:52.480 Doctors get things wrong all the time. And then he 2:43:52.640 --> 2:43:56.120 just like let that statement set. I have heard this 2:43:56.200 --> 2:44:00.080 as before, and AIS have a lot more data. And 2:44:00.160 --> 2:44:01.960 he ended it by saying, because everyone asked like, what 2:44:02.000 --> 2:44:03.720 were their big wins of the year, and his big 2:44:03.800 --> 2:44:07.360 win was that his wife hated chat ept and didn't 2:44:07.360 --> 2:44:08.960 want to use it, and he convinced her to use 2:44:09.000 --> 2:44:11.400 it to plan their vacation. It kind of sounded like 2:44:11.440 --> 2:44:13.320 he bullied her into it, but that was his big 2:44:13.400 --> 2:44:15.119 win for the year. I didn't like him. 2:44:15.640 --> 2:44:16.760 My win is I got. 2:44:18.320 --> 2:44:22.080 My wife into using a chat bot plan special time 2:44:22.360 --> 2:44:25.360 vacationing together because we're not creative enough to figure out 2:44:25.400 --> 2:44:26.920 how to go on a fucking trip. 2:44:27.040 --> 2:44:28.000 Hashtag AI win. 2:44:28.280 --> 2:44:31.240 Jesus, I don't know anyway. I think that's good for 2:44:31.520 --> 2:44:34.280 episode one from cees Come Back next week, where we'll 2:44:34.320 --> 2:44:36.680 all have more or listen to better offline, where Ed 2:44:36.760 --> 2:44:39.640 will have just a shocking amount of content from a 2:44:39.720 --> 2:44:44.320 lot of the relatively few and constantly shrinking stable of 2:44:44.400 --> 2:44:46.320 sane people reporting on technology. 2:44:46.560 --> 2:44:47.160 See next week. 2:45:02.400 --> 2:45:06.480 This is It could Happen Here Executive Disorder, our usually 2:45:06.600 --> 2:45:08.960 weekly newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the 2:45:09.040 --> 2:45:11.800 crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm Garrisondeo's Dam, 2:45:11.879 --> 2:45:16.160 joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Sophie Lichterman. This episode, 2:45:16.200 --> 2:45:19.959 we're covering the events from the end of December. 2:45:19.640 --> 2:45:24.840 To the first week of January. Yeah, and the events 2:45:25.080 --> 2:45:25.760 are not good. 2:45:26.000 --> 2:45:30.480 Did not start off to a slow start whatsoever. Did 2:45:30.600 --> 2:45:32.600 not ease into the new year. 2:45:33.800 --> 2:45:36.920 Yeah, this might be the worst, just the worst first 2:45:37.000 --> 2:45:39.040 week of a year I can remember it. I remember 2:45:39.120 --> 2:45:40.000 twenty twenty. 2:45:41.760 --> 2:45:43.320 Worst year ever potentially maya. 2:45:43.600 --> 2:45:46.959 I long for the halcyon days in which twenty twenty 2:45:47.120 --> 2:45:48.600 was the worst year we'd ever experienced. 2:45:48.920 --> 2:45:51.760 I started twenty twenty cycling around Rwanda, and I had 2:45:51.760 --> 2:45:54.760 a great start twenty twenty. This has not been a 2:45:54.800 --> 2:45:55.480 great start. 2:45:55.320 --> 2:45:59.560 But no, Yeah, let's talk about the event that happened 2:46:00.120 --> 2:46:02.680 several hours before we started recording this. We're recording this 2:46:02.959 --> 2:46:06.680 again on Wednesday, January seventh, So I don't think there's 2:46:06.680 --> 2:46:10.039 gonna be any new information about this, but yeah, hours 2:46:10.040 --> 2:46:13.520 before we started recording, ICE shot and killed a woman 2:46:13.760 --> 2:46:17.360 in her car and a routine anti ICE action in Minneapolis. 2:46:18.360 --> 2:46:23.520 From the videos, these protests are identical to thousands of 2:46:23.640 --> 2:46:26.480 other small scale protests against ICE raids, where pissed off 2:46:26.560 --> 2:46:29.800 locals blow whistles and scream at the ICE agents who 2:46:29.840 --> 2:46:31.920 carry off their friends and family in the dead of night. 2:46:32.800 --> 2:46:36.400 The video shows ICE agents approaching a stopped car. One 2:46:36.520 --> 2:46:40.400 agent tries to open the front car door elle screaming 2:46:40.480 --> 2:46:43.920 get the fuck out, while another walks in front of 2:46:44.040 --> 2:46:46.040 the car as it backs up to pull away from 2:46:46.120 --> 2:46:50.240 the scene. As the vehicle pulls forward to drive away, 2:46:50.800 --> 2:46:53.400 the ICE agent pulls out his gun and shoots the driver. 2:46:54.160 --> 2:46:57.240 This is the agent's immediate response. There is no verbal warning. 2:46:57.360 --> 2:47:00.760 He simply pulls out the gun and shoots. There are 2:47:00.920 --> 2:47:03.400 videos out there you will see. I have seen three 2:47:03.440 --> 2:47:06.240 angles of it so far. The videos are graphic and 2:47:06.920 --> 2:47:09.920 gut wrenching, as we'll get into in a second, so 2:47:11.520 --> 2:47:13.600 be warned if you are trying to watch them, you 2:47:13.680 --> 2:47:17.840 are just going to see Ice murder a woman. The agent, 2:47:18.640 --> 2:47:22.000 I can fairly definitively say, was in absolutely no danger. Again, 2:47:22.040 --> 2:47:25.520 he simply steps aside from the slow moving vehicle. He 2:47:25.640 --> 2:47:29.280 has enough time to take a shot and then step 2:47:29.360 --> 2:47:33.000 aside and take two more shots. The video is just 2:47:33.400 --> 2:47:36.840 heart wrenching. The closest angle we have, the woman recording 2:47:36.879 --> 2:47:39.400 the video is screaming no as the agent pulls out 2:47:39.440 --> 2:47:42.640 his gun and shoots. There's another video that shows there 2:47:42.720 --> 2:47:45.040 is a passenger inside of the van, and it just 2:47:45.120 --> 2:47:48.320 sows You're sitting on the ground sobbing and saying, they 2:47:48.440 --> 2:47:50.160 killed my wife. I don't know what to do. It 2:47:50.280 --> 2:47:51.800 is one of the most heart wrenching things I have 2:47:51.840 --> 2:47:55.760 ever seen. Having watched the videos of both, it is 2:47:55.959 --> 2:48:00.920 eerily similar to ICE's murder of Silvero Viegas Gonzales in 2:48:01.080 --> 2:48:04.280 Chicago in September, who was also killed while attempting to 2:48:04.360 --> 2:48:07.240 drive away from ICE agents, and who the DHS has 2:48:07.440 --> 2:48:11.480 likewise accused of committing acts of domestic terrorism by attempting 2:48:11.520 --> 2:48:14.320 to ram agents. It is clear from both videos so 2:48:14.400 --> 2:48:16.160 that is not what was going on. Both these people 2:48:16.200 --> 2:48:20.240 were simply trying to pull away from the ICE agents, 2:48:21.160 --> 2:48:23.840 the other shooting that. This is very similar to that 2:48:23.879 --> 2:48:26.680 I think has been getting more press comparisons, even though 2:48:27.640 --> 2:48:31.040 in terms of what actually happens in the video that 2:48:31.120 --> 2:48:34.680 we have, I think it's closer to the actual murder. 2:48:35.440 --> 2:48:37.920 But it is also very, very similar to an incident 2:48:38.000 --> 2:48:40.720 in Chicago last year where Border Patrol agents hunted and 2:48:40.840 --> 2:48:45.360 then shot Mary mar Martinez, who thankfully survived but was 2:48:45.520 --> 2:48:48.400 charged by the federal government for domestic terrorism, a case 2:48:48.480 --> 2:48:54.199 which thankfully completely collapsed after, among other things, the contents 2:48:54.200 --> 2:48:57.680 of a group chat were released in which Charles ExHAM, 2:48:57.720 --> 2:49:00.200 who's the agent who shot her, was bragging it about 2:49:00.240 --> 2:49:04.280 shooting the woman in Chicago. So that's I think a 2:49:04.400 --> 2:49:08.160 valuable insight into the mindset of these people is that 2:49:08.240 --> 2:49:09.960 when one of these went to trial, we got a 2:49:10.040 --> 2:49:12.879 group chat where the agent who shot a different woman 2:49:12.920 --> 2:49:15.880 in a very similar situation was bragging about it. In 2:49:15.959 --> 2:49:18.640 the immediate wake of this Trump post untruth social that 2:49:18.760 --> 2:49:22.520 the driver in Minneapolis quote willfully and viciously ran over 2:49:22.600 --> 2:49:24.680 the ice officer who seems to have shot her in 2:49:24.720 --> 2:49:28.440 self defense end quote. And then he then links to 2:49:29.440 --> 2:49:33.560 a video which is a bad angle of the shooting 2:49:33.920 --> 2:49:35.960 that also does not show what he claims at all, 2:49:36.080 --> 2:49:40.280 because he is simply from the video footage we have available. 2:49:40.360 --> 2:49:41.360 This is simply a lie. 2:49:42.080 --> 2:49:45.600 Yeah, after the person was shot, that vehicle continued moving 2:49:45.640 --> 2:49:48.920 forward and struck a parked car. That is not unusual 2:49:49.840 --> 2:49:52.039 in the case when somebody's shot driving a vehicle, right 2:49:52.120 --> 2:49:55.600 like some forward you some forward onto the pedals. Yeah. 2:49:56.120 --> 2:49:59.160 There's two things I want to emphasize here. One is 2:49:59.240 --> 2:50:03.560 that the DHS always releases statements. This is the third 2:50:03.680 --> 2:50:07.520 shooting like this that we've had since these massive immigration 2:50:07.680 --> 2:50:11.360 rays began. Every single time they release the statements where 2:50:11.400 --> 2:50:15.480 they accuse the driver of intentionally attempting to ram the agent. 2:50:15.680 --> 2:50:18.440 It has never been true. We have seen three attempts 2:50:18.480 --> 2:50:20.119 of this, We have seen the videos and three attempts 2:50:20.120 --> 2:50:22.760 of this. It has been false every single time. Major 2:50:22.840 --> 2:50:28.240 media outlets continue to just post the statements without any 2:50:28.520 --> 2:50:31.400 of the context. That these people have been lying about 2:50:31.400 --> 2:50:34.280 this every single time. And that The second thing that 2:50:34.360 --> 2:50:37.400 I want to emphasize about this is how normal of 2:50:37.480 --> 2:50:41.400 a protest this was. This is just a completely ordinary 2:50:41.440 --> 2:50:45.040 ICE action. It looks like every other anti ICE action 2:50:45.520 --> 2:50:47.920 I have ever seen. It wasn't a particularly large one. 2:50:48.000 --> 2:50:49.800 It was just a group of people who were on 2:50:49.920 --> 2:50:53.199 the street. In the video where the woman is sobbing 2:50:53.240 --> 2:50:55.680 about her wife. She says that they pulled up to 2:50:55.720 --> 2:50:56.680 film the ICE agents. 2:50:57.520 --> 2:50:57.720 Yeah. 2:50:58.400 --> 2:51:02.800 Yeah, it's heart wrenching and lots of protests. Greg Bavino, 2:51:02.879 --> 2:51:06.560 whose influential word patrol officer we have talked about many 2:51:06.640 --> 2:51:09.320 times on the show, was at the scene. And it's 2:51:09.320 --> 2:51:12.200 also work noting this comes within twenty four hours of 2:51:12.240 --> 2:51:16.120 the White House announcing their giant operation in Minneapolis to 2:51:16.160 --> 2:51:17.720 deploy two thousand federal agents. 2:51:18.320 --> 2:51:21.199 This was specifically a new surge that started on Tuesday, 2:51:21.560 --> 2:51:24.840 January sixth, and yeah, literally less than twenty four hours 2:51:24.920 --> 2:51:27.560 after this surge, Ice killed a woman. 2:51:28.440 --> 2:51:28.680 Yeah. 2:51:29.640 --> 2:51:32.200 The thing I want to end on in the of 2:51:32.320 --> 2:51:34.240 the immediate analysis before we talk a bit about the 2:51:34.320 --> 2:51:39.520 protests that have been happening, is that absolutely hauntingly, today's 2:51:39.560 --> 2:51:42.160 murder took place less than a mile away from where 2:51:42.320 --> 2:51:48.119 police officer Derek Chauvin murder George Floyd, which is Yeah, 2:51:48.480 --> 2:51:51.360 it is as clearer demonstration of the continuity of the 2:51:51.480 --> 2:51:55.480 violence of the American state as can possibly be produced. Yeah, 2:51:56.400 --> 2:51:59.400 and I think the other pattern that we've seen specifically 2:51:59.440 --> 2:52:03.400 in these prot just is pulling weapons on people constantly, 2:52:04.200 --> 2:52:09.080 even more so than normal police would. And you know, 2:52:09.240 --> 2:52:13.000 I remember a lot of people I've talked you in Chicago. 2:52:13.040 --> 2:52:14.360 One of the things that they said is that, yeah, 2:52:14.400 --> 2:52:16.080 this is if they're eventually going to shoot someone, and 2:52:16.080 --> 2:52:19.120 they've now shot a third person in the course of 2:52:19.200 --> 2:52:23.240 these operations, and presumably as long as they're allowed to continue, 2:52:23.280 --> 2:52:26.320 they will probably shoot more people. Because one of the 2:52:26.360 --> 2:52:28.240 things that's the best apparent from this video is that 2:52:28.440 --> 2:52:31.800 this is the sort of muscle memory reaction that they 2:52:31.920 --> 2:52:33.640 have to being in front of a car that's moving 2:52:33.680 --> 2:52:36.960 towards them. There's no thinking, there's no thought. They just 2:52:37.320 --> 2:52:38.280 pull out the gun. Shoot. 2:52:38.480 --> 2:52:38.640 Yeah. 2:52:38.640 --> 2:52:41.480 I mean he's shooting the same time he's moving sideways 2:52:41.640 --> 2:52:43.480 out of the way of the of the car. 2:52:43.640 --> 2:52:43.840 Yeah. 2:52:43.840 --> 2:52:45.560 He just as easily could have not fired, and it 2:52:45.560 --> 2:52:48.000 would have had the same result. He just chose to fire. 2:52:48.440 --> 2:52:48.640 Yeah. 2:52:49.360 --> 2:52:52.600 A little over an hour after the shooting, Mayor Jacob 2:52:52.640 --> 2:52:55.960 Afray of Minneapolis gave a press conference where he said 2:52:56.120 --> 2:52:57.120 this to Ice. 2:52:57.680 --> 2:53:01.640 There's little I can say again that'll make this situation better. 2:53:02.040 --> 2:53:05.360 But I do have a message for our community, for 2:53:05.480 --> 2:53:11.240 a city, and I have a message for Ice to Ice, 2:53:12.400 --> 2:53:16.000 get the fuck out of Minneapolis. We do not want 2:53:16.120 --> 2:53:20.280 you here. Your stated reason for being in this city 2:53:20.400 --> 2:53:22.760 is to create some kind of safety, and you are 2:53:22.840 --> 2:53:28.040 doing exactly the opposite. People are being hurt, Families are 2:53:28.120 --> 2:53:32.920 being ripped apart. Long term Minneapolis residents that have contributed 2:53:33.000 --> 2:53:36.560 so greatly to our city, to our culture, to our 2:53:36.640 --> 2:53:42.160 economy are being terrorized. And now somebody is dead. That's 2:53:42.240 --> 2:53:47.600 on you, and it's also on you to leave. It's 2:53:47.640 --> 2:53:51.920 on you to make sure that further damage, further loss 2:53:52.000 --> 2:53:57.840 of life and injury is not done. We're going to 2:53:57.879 --> 2:54:00.800 be working towards justice as quickly as we possibly ken 2:54:00.959 --> 2:54:01.360 right now. 2:54:02.000 --> 2:54:03.520 Justice is what we've all got to get. 2:54:04.240 --> 2:54:07.360 Fray, I think is just is reflecting the sentiments of 2:54:07.400 --> 2:54:11.080 the city right now. There are immediate protests in I mean, 2:54:11.240 --> 2:54:13.960 within minutes of the shooting, there were people showing up. 2:54:14.360 --> 2:54:17.440 Protests have been intensifying, crowds have got tear guest, like 2:54:17.640 --> 2:54:18.680 thirty minutes. 2:54:18.360 --> 2:54:19.120 After the shooting. 2:54:19.440 --> 2:54:22.160 Yeah, yeah, I mean, and Bovino is there are pictures 2:54:22.200 --> 2:54:24.880 of him on scene while these protesters are sort of 2:54:25.560 --> 2:54:29.600 ramping up. So we will see what happens in Minneapolis 2:54:29.680 --> 2:54:30.480 in the coming days. 2:54:31.160 --> 2:54:34.360 Solidarity protests have already be announced in Portland and Philadelphia. Yeah, 2:54:34.400 --> 2:54:37.520 and I'm sure more cities will follow in the coming hours. 2:54:38.040 --> 2:54:38.240 Yeah. 2:54:38.879 --> 2:54:41.160 Yeah, we'll give an update next week if more information 2:54:41.280 --> 2:54:45.119 becomes available. I think the events themselves are fairly clear, 2:54:45.640 --> 2:54:48.000 but we will see what the federal reaction to this 2:54:48.200 --> 2:54:49.720 is going to be and what the reaction on the 2:54:49.760 --> 2:54:51.720 ground is, and we will keep you updated. 2:54:52.879 --> 2:54:55.080 Let's let's have some mends here and we'll be back 2:54:55.120 --> 2:55:10.760 to talk without Benz Will. We are back with the 2:55:10.920 --> 2:55:15.760 second wild story of this week, which is that the 2:55:17.000 --> 2:55:21.280 United States, specially United States Special Forces, radio Caracas last 2:55:21.320 --> 2:55:25.760 week and kidnapped President Maduro, who was the president of Venezuela, 2:55:25.840 --> 2:55:29.800 and his wife. We covered the details of this in 2:55:29.879 --> 2:55:31.640 a whole episode, so I'm not going to go over 2:55:31.640 --> 2:55:34.879 in any great detail here, and that's already out. Trump 2:55:35.000 --> 2:55:38.279 kidnaps Venezuelan President Maduro is the name of that episode, 2:55:38.320 --> 2:55:39.520 so you should be got to find out the feed. 2:55:40.040 --> 2:55:41.400 He danced too close to the sun. 2:55:42.040 --> 2:55:44.960 I'm not so sure that dancing was the fact of it. 2:55:45.520 --> 2:55:48.640 I will only update that to say a couple of things. 2:55:49.000 --> 2:55:50.760 First of all, we know that there were in excess 2:55:50.800 --> 2:55:54.640 of fifty Venezuelan casualties, right, or I should say there 2:55:54.680 --> 2:55:56.600 were in excess of fifty casualties. 2:55:56.760 --> 2:55:59.160 Some of those would probably be Cubid subecurity force. 2:55:59.040 --> 2:56:03.080 US national in a military advice kind of a prestige posting, 2:56:03.240 --> 2:56:07.000 but military adviser kind of role. And that there were 2:56:07.160 --> 2:56:09.800 injuries to US troops we didn't hear about first. So 2:56:10.000 --> 2:56:14.000 US troops and US helicopters did sustain some damage, but 2:56:14.480 --> 2:56:17.600 there were no people killed on the United States side. 2:56:18.600 --> 2:56:23.480 And Donald Trump has truth that I'm just going to 2:56:23.560 --> 2:56:26.600 read this one. I think we can do our best 2:56:26.640 --> 2:56:29.440 to understand it. I am pleased to announce that interim 2:56:29.480 --> 2:56:32.560 authorities in Venezuela will be turning over between thirty and 2:56:32.680 --> 2:56:36.920 fifty million barrels of high quality, sanctioned oil to the 2:56:37.040 --> 2:56:40.080 United States of America. This oil will be sold at 2:56:40.080 --> 2:56:42.720 its market price, and that money will be controlled by me, 2:56:43.120 --> 2:56:45.960 as President of the United States of America, to ensure 2:56:46.000 --> 2:56:48.640 that it's used to benefit the people of Venezuela and 2:56:48.760 --> 2:56:52.000 the United States. I have asked Energy Secretary Chris Right 2:56:52.080 --> 2:56:55.280 to execute this plan immediately. It will be taken by 2:56:55.320 --> 2:56:57.760 storage ships and bought directly to unloading docks in the 2:56:57.840 --> 2:57:00.320 United States. Thank you for your attention to the matter. 2:57:00.720 --> 2:57:04.160 Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America. 2:57:04.800 --> 2:57:08.720 You know, I distinctly remember the days the haulsey in 2:57:08.840 --> 2:57:11.720 days when I was a child, when saying no war 2:57:11.840 --> 2:57:15.080 for oil was a provocative political statement because the leaders 2:57:15.120 --> 2:57:17.160 of our country insisted that the wars were not in 2:57:17.280 --> 2:57:18.120 fact for oil. 2:57:18.760 --> 2:57:18.960 Yeah. 2:57:19.600 --> 2:57:21.720 Yeah, all that has dropped and we do not give 2:57:21.760 --> 2:57:24.760 a single thunk anymore. No, it just openly doing the 2:57:24.840 --> 2:57:26.040 thing they were doing before. 2:57:26.920 --> 2:57:29.960 Yeah, it's wild to think of the Bush era of 2:57:30.000 --> 2:57:34.400 a golden age of at least pretending is extraordinarily vague. Right, 2:57:34.520 --> 2:57:37.280 how much this oil is it being turned over over? 2:57:37.320 --> 2:57:40.640 What period of time? It's Venezuela. Were expected to extract 2:57:40.720 --> 2:57:42.880 and refine the oil then hand it over or it's 2:57:42.920 --> 2:57:44.360 going to give you as companies a right. 2:57:44.320 --> 2:57:44.600 To do that. 2:57:44.879 --> 2:57:48.160 They don't have much of the processing facilities. There's like one, 2:57:48.440 --> 2:57:51.800 I think American processing facility that can process the kind 2:57:51.800 --> 2:57:55.320 of crew that comes out of Venezuela. But it's difficult. 2:57:55.360 --> 2:57:57.279 We talked about this in more in the other episode. 2:57:57.280 --> 2:58:00.680 But it's the Venezuela and oil sucks. It's difficult to refine, 2:58:01.360 --> 2:58:02.320 it's no high quality. 2:58:03.080 --> 2:58:06.040 What are you talking about right here? Right here in 2:58:06.080 --> 2:58:09.120 the post man, I don't know, I don't know's hearing 2:58:09.160 --> 2:58:11.959 the truth. Yeah, in the truth, thank you, thank you, Garrison. 2:58:12.240 --> 2:58:13.840 That really does make it sound. I can reading from 2:58:13.840 --> 2:58:17.760 the Bible at church and think that God, we'll say 2:58:17.800 --> 2:58:20.119 the oil is not sanctioned. That's not how sanctions work. 2:58:20.480 --> 2:58:26.880 Sanctioned countries and people, not things. Bizarre centerence structure is there. Yeah, 2:58:26.879 --> 2:58:28.680 it's doing a lot for me. So, Yeah, I talked 2:58:28.680 --> 2:58:30.680 about the Rodriguez option in the last show, and I 2:58:30.720 --> 2:58:32.600 guess this is kind of confirming a lot of what 2:58:32.680 --> 2:58:34.280 we get speculated about there. 2:58:35.200 --> 2:58:38.680 That's assuming this happens. By the way, I will say 2:58:39.320 --> 2:58:43.360 that there was some dip in oil prices today over 2:58:43.440 --> 2:58:45.600 the exact splication of this is real. But I don't 2:58:45.879 --> 2:58:48.880 know how well connected those people are, either quite frankly, 2:58:49.120 --> 2:58:52.840 or how much of an understanding anyone has over whether 2:58:52.920 --> 2:58:55.920 this is going to happen or not. We don't know. 2:58:56.520 --> 2:58:59.640 He just says things, and sometimes they happen and sometimes 2:58:59.680 --> 2:59:02.440 they don't, And there's no actual way to tell which 2:59:02.520 --> 2:59:04.840 ones are going to come true and which ones are 2:59:04.920 --> 2:59:08.000 just him posting from Trump's mouth to Rubio's ears. 2:59:08.720 --> 2:59:10.800 Yeah, but then Riba said something different in an interview. 2:59:10.959 --> 2:59:14.480 Trump says it again and then yeah, there we go. Yeah, 2:59:15.240 --> 2:59:19.640 it does look like they are tempting to pursue the 2:59:19.720 --> 2:59:21.520 strategy which you spoke about, which it is the only 2:59:21.560 --> 2:59:24.280 thing getting liberated in Venezuela is the oil. Right that 2:59:24.400 --> 2:59:27.240 they will allow the regime to continue. They will not 2:59:27.480 --> 2:59:31.280 be any attempt at regime change. They just want a 2:59:31.320 --> 2:59:34.640 puppet version of the old regime which they can manipulate 2:59:35.040 --> 2:59:37.920 purely apparently for their own financial benefit with oil. Yeah. 2:59:38.160 --> 2:59:42.040 It's also worth noting that Trump is claiming that he 2:59:42.520 --> 2:59:45.920 personally is going to be controlling the money after it's 2:59:46.000 --> 2:59:50.720 sold at market price, a sentence that at any other 2:59:50.879 --> 2:59:55.080 time in American history would be the most dictatorial thing 2:59:55.400 --> 2:59:59.199 you've ever seen, but pales in comparison to the fact 2:59:59.240 --> 3:00:01.360 that he is claiming to be running a country after 3:00:01.480 --> 3:00:04.199 a war that he unilaterally started without congress. 3:00:04.879 --> 3:00:07.280 So, I mean, isn't even accurate to call it a war. 3:00:07.320 --> 3:00:10.360 It seems like it's like a single military action. Now, 3:00:10.640 --> 3:00:12.680 it's like an act of war, I guess, right. 3:00:12.840 --> 3:00:15.879 But if you combined the blockades, which are an active war, 3:00:16.000 --> 3:00:18.240 and we'll get to blockades more in a second, and this, 3:00:18.480 --> 3:00:19.560 I think this is just a war. 3:00:20.440 --> 3:00:23.520 Like I mean, I went to the protest in New 3:00:23.600 --> 3:00:26.840 York the morning after the action, and you know, a 3:00:26.920 --> 3:00:28.960 lot of a lot of chance for about you know, 3:00:29.120 --> 3:00:32.879 no war in Venezuela, you know, no more bombs in Venezuela. 3:00:32.959 --> 3:00:35.080 And like it looks like they're kind of done. They're 3:00:35.120 --> 3:00:36.480 kind of done with the bombs. They're kind of done 3:00:36.480 --> 3:00:36.840 with the war. 3:00:37.360 --> 3:00:41.000 Here's the thing though, So Trump has also said that 3:00:41.240 --> 3:00:43.680 if the current government of Venezuela refuses to comply, he 3:00:43.840 --> 3:00:48.640 will do more strikes whoa so than he did to Madua. Yeah, 3:00:49.720 --> 3:00:51.920 and it's always kind of difficult to parse exactly what's 3:00:51.920 --> 3:00:53.800 going on there, but yeah. 3:00:53.879 --> 3:00:57.200 It's a potential for more US action, definitely. Yeah, it 3:00:57.240 --> 3:00:59.240 seems like right now they paid to have got roughly 3:00:59.320 --> 3:01:03.760 what they wanted. And then like there's also the potential 3:01:03.920 --> 3:01:05.960 for this do you any number of ways? Right, Like 3:01:07.280 --> 3:01:10.960 things could continue to deteriorate for the regime there, Like, 3:01:11.160 --> 3:01:13.440 like what does it mean for their ability They have 3:01:13.560 --> 3:01:17.720 previously had the ability to use various kind of nefarious 3:01:17.800 --> 3:01:20.640 reflaggings of boats, which me is going to talk about 3:01:20.640 --> 3:01:25.039 a second here to obtain some income, right, Like, if 3:01:25.080 --> 3:01:27.920 they're not even able to do that, it's get even worse, right, 3:01:28.000 --> 3:01:32.000 and the economic situation in Venezuela could very easily get worse. 3:01:32.080 --> 3:01:35.280 I know everyone I've spoken to there is out trying 3:01:35.320 --> 3:01:38.760 to stock up on nonperishable food and they don't know 3:01:38.800 --> 3:01:41.000 what the future holds for them. Plus you now have, 3:01:41.720 --> 3:01:44.560 as we saw earlier in this week, very trigger happy 3:01:45.560 --> 3:01:47.360 pro government militias will probably be the best way to 3:01:47.440 --> 3:01:50.039 describe it, like in this case that they were shooting 3:01:50.080 --> 3:01:54.360 at a drone up in the air. But there is 3:01:54.520 --> 3:01:57.000 very clearly still a lot of tension in the country. 3:01:57.879 --> 3:02:03.560 So on Saturday morning, after the military action Venezuela, I 3:02:03.640 --> 3:02:06.640 went to the protest in New York, like like I 3:02:06.879 --> 3:02:11.279 previously mentioned, and I've put together this little audio report 3:02:12.000 --> 3:02:14.880 that I recorded at the protest that takes you through 3:02:15.240 --> 3:02:19.600 about like an hour's worth of protest activity. 3:02:20.200 --> 3:02:22.200 And yeah, give it a give it a listen. 3:02:25.600 --> 3:02:30.800 It is Saturday, January third, two fifty four pm. I 3:02:30.920 --> 3:02:35.360 am in Times Square with I would say two hundred 3:02:35.520 --> 3:02:39.960 to three hundred people protesting US action in Venezuela as 3:02:40.040 --> 3:02:43.440 well as Iran and the genocide and Palestine. Kind of 3:02:43.520 --> 3:02:48.120 a mix of causes, but mostly talking about Venezuela and 3:02:48.840 --> 3:02:54.480 the military extradition of President Maduro. The organizational structure at 3:02:54.560 --> 3:02:57.880 this protest seems to be mostly propped up by various 3:02:58.120 --> 3:03:03.880 communist organizations. Is a revolution Communist Party tabling. There's the BOB, 3:03:04.040 --> 3:03:07.720 a vacant refuse fascism organization with a lot of banners 3:03:07.760 --> 3:03:10.560 and signs. PSL has a bunch of banners and signs, 3:03:10.760 --> 3:03:15.320 as well as the Coney Internationalist Student Group, which. 3:03:15.160 --> 3:03:18.080 Is tied to the New York City Public University system. 3:03:19.120 --> 3:03:22.840 They have some homemade signs, the only signs actually drawn 3:03:22.920 --> 3:03:26.480 on paper probably this morning, versus all of the PSL 3:03:26.800 --> 3:03:32.000 signs which appear pre printed and pre prepared. A rotating 3:03:32.120 --> 3:03:34.879 selection of speakers have given speeches for the past hour, 3:03:35.400 --> 3:03:40.080 and now at three pm, this relatively small crowd for 3:03:40.240 --> 3:03:43.000 a New York protest is leading a. 3:03:43.160 --> 3:03:46.520 March south you no, I'm not alive. 3:03:58.720 --> 3:04:04.240 The marches taking up probably about one city block just 3:04:04.360 --> 3:04:05.959 outside of Times Square on. 3:04:06.280 --> 3:04:07.760 Forty third and eighth. 3:04:09.280 --> 3:04:11.119 Turning on to eighth Avenue. 3:04:11.360 --> 3:04:15.840 Now after about ten minutes of marching and why pdvikes 3:04:15.840 --> 3:04:19.280 at the front of the march as well as on 3:04:19.640 --> 3:04:21.920 foot officers on either side of the crowd. 3:04:22.200 --> 3:04:23.840 Not like a huge presence. 3:04:24.040 --> 3:04:28.600 I maybe seen cumulatively one hundred or so cops, which 3:04:29.520 --> 3:04:31.840 is actually not that much for New. 3:04:31.840 --> 3:04:35.119 York, especially based on how spread out they are, because 3:04:35.200 --> 3:04:39.400 maybe like two dozen cops on either side of the march, 3:04:39.600 --> 3:04:44.640 just walking walking on the sidewalk, and then maybe another 3:04:46.440 --> 3:04:49.400 another two to three dozen in the front and more 3:04:49.760 --> 3:04:53.600 in the back, so between fifty to one hundred cops. 3:05:14.680 --> 3:05:17.520 A little over fifteen minutes into the march. They have 3:05:17.640 --> 3:05:21.640 now moved up to forty seventh Street. At this point, 3:05:21.720 --> 3:05:26.080 there's been zero conflict with the police. They've mostly facilitated 3:05:26.160 --> 3:05:30.840 the traffic around the march as people continue to chant. 3:05:30.840 --> 3:05:32.320 And walk north. 3:05:43.560 --> 3:05:47.199 The crowd has been marching for over thirty five minutes 3:05:47.920 --> 3:05:51.280 and now are arriving at what I assume is their destination, 3:05:51.879 --> 3:05:59.480 Columbus Circle up at fifty eighth Street and Broadway. 3:06:00.640 --> 3:06:02.080 No scuffles with the police. 3:06:02.680 --> 3:06:05.840 There was like two guys in mega hats, kind of 3:06:05.920 --> 3:06:08.640 I'm trying to antagonize the side of the crowd. For 3:06:08.720 --> 3:06:15.200 the past fifteen minutes, nothing really happened. One random dude 3:06:15.240 --> 3:06:18.760 came out of a convenience store yelling fuck Roduro, trying 3:06:18.840 --> 3:06:22.320 to agitate some people in the crowd, but everyone just 3:06:22.480 --> 3:06:27.200 moved on and now they are approaching Columbus Circle. 3:06:28.240 --> 3:06:31.360 The decent people in this country needs to answer the 3:06:31.480 --> 3:06:32.400 people of the whole. 3:06:33.120 --> 3:06:34.360 What are we gonna do? 3:06:35.720 --> 3:06:40.920 This is not a time for prof that's usual. There 3:06:41.080 --> 3:06:45.879 needs to be a full regime, not in Venezuela, right. 3:06:45.840 --> 3:06:46.840 Here in the US. 3:06:47.879 --> 3:06:50.000 People in this country. 3:06:51.360 --> 3:06:57.279 Fly goo boom to begin to fall in this fashion. 3:06:57.440 --> 3:07:03.720 Reim you guys, get in choice. 3:07:03.760 --> 3:07:14.320 EPIS. Police are now very lightly directing people into Columbus Circle, 3:07:15.080 --> 3:07:18.760 onto the plaza and off of the street. Some groups 3:07:18.800 --> 3:07:24.959 are packing up their protests, signs and bags and starting 3:07:25.000 --> 3:07:35.320 to peel off. So as expected, this protest was done 3:07:35.360 --> 3:07:41.759 by a coalition of anti imperialist leftist, socialist communist organizations. 3:07:42.080 --> 3:07:44.840 You have the Party for Socialism and Liberation PSL and 3:07:45.040 --> 3:07:48.760 all of these other communist groups who are all primarily 3:07:48.920 --> 3:07:53.039 either trying to grow their membership roster or sell their newspapers, 3:07:53.200 --> 3:07:56.000 sell their magazines. And this is what most of the 3:07:56.080 --> 3:07:59.120 protest actually is. They have tables set up while people 3:07:59.120 --> 3:08:02.240 are giving speeches. They have people walking around handing out 3:08:02.320 --> 3:08:05.760 pamphlets and flyers. And this protest was not very big, 3:08:05.959 --> 3:08:08.200 Like I said, it was relatively small, maybe two hundred 3:08:08.200 --> 3:08:09.920 and three hundred people, because there's not a lot of 3:08:09.920 --> 3:08:11.600 public buy in for this sort of thing, because at 3:08:11.600 --> 3:08:14.320 this point, if anyone's been around, they know, based on 3:08:14.400 --> 3:08:16.640 the flyers that get posted, what kind of protest this 3:08:16.720 --> 3:08:18.359 is going to be. This is going to be socialist 3:08:18.680 --> 3:08:21.560 communist organizations trying to grow their membership. It's not a 3:08:21.640 --> 3:08:24.440 representative sample of the people of New York, is It 3:08:24.560 --> 3:08:28.400 is people trying to sell magazines and newspapers and books. 3:08:28.959 --> 3:08:31.920 And the fact that the entire proto secret system for 3:08:32.000 --> 3:08:35.120 stuff like this is fully captured by these sorts of 3:08:35.200 --> 3:08:38.600 organizations makes it really hard to grow a genuine movement 3:08:38.680 --> 3:08:40.960 because people know that it's going to be walking for 3:08:41.040 --> 3:08:43.840 thirty minutes and then people are going to be shoving 3:08:43.879 --> 3:08:47.280 pamphlets in their in their hand, and that's the extent 3:08:47.320 --> 3:08:50.320 to what you are protesting. It is that it's walking 3:08:50.440 --> 3:08:54.080 along a path led by the NYPD to Columbus Circle. 3:08:54.600 --> 3:08:57.040 Yeah, I'm totily's having in almost every city in the US, right, 3:08:57.080 --> 3:08:58.720 Like I saw a fly of F one in San Diego. 3:08:59.280 --> 3:09:01.560 Personally couldn't be asked to attend because, as you say, 3:09:01.640 --> 3:09:03.920 like I knew what was going to happen and like 3:09:04.200 --> 3:09:06.200 a person in a high verse and a clipboard was 3:09:06.200 --> 3:09:07.600 going to try and get my email address. 3:09:08.200 --> 3:09:10.000 I will say that the thing, the thing that did 3:09:10.120 --> 3:09:11.520 hearten me a little bit was that there were a 3:09:11.560 --> 3:09:13.760 few protests, I mean, just out in the Chicago suburbs, 3:09:13.800 --> 3:09:15.280 which is not a place you normally have these that 3:09:15.360 --> 3:09:19.240 weren't by these groups that were just pretty spontaneous on 3:09:19.360 --> 3:09:22.120 the morning of the demonstration. But the sort of issue, yeah, 3:09:22.120 --> 3:09:24.920 that you're fraying two Garrison is that like even these 3:09:24.920 --> 3:09:28.120 spontaneous protests, the energy just gets captured by like the 3:09:28.200 --> 3:09:30.640 PSL and these organizations that fundamentally don't want to do 3:09:30.680 --> 3:09:32.199 anything other than grow their organization. 3:09:32.680 --> 3:09:35.200 And that's design from in order to co opt the 3:09:35.280 --> 3:09:38.000 anger that's happening right now. And I wanted to find 3:09:38.000 --> 3:09:40.240 out that anger any useless direction that burned people out 3:09:40.240 --> 3:09:42.920 on activism. I wouldn't change anything from the PSL. 3:09:43.280 --> 3:09:44.480 And I mean, and this is this has been what 3:09:44.600 --> 3:09:46.520 the American anti war movement has looked like since the 3:09:46.640 --> 3:09:49.200 Rock War demonstrations. Yeah, right, this was this was one 3:09:49.200 --> 3:09:51.720 of the battles that happened inside of the Rock War protests, 3:09:51.720 --> 3:09:53.080 and it's one of the reasons why they didn't. 3:09:52.879 --> 3:09:55.680 Work, and like, this is a very serious thing, Like 3:09:55.959 --> 3:09:58.320 this is a very serious military action that should warrant 3:09:58.640 --> 3:10:02.640 massive public outcry. But protesting taps into a finite resource 3:10:02.680 --> 3:10:05.440 that people have, and when you have an inclination that 3:10:05.480 --> 3:10:07.960 the protests are going to go this way, people might 3:10:08.000 --> 3:10:10.240 not want to expend their personal resource because it is 3:10:10.320 --> 3:10:13.400 not seriously putting pressure on anyone making decisions in the government. 3:10:14.040 --> 3:10:16.160 Yeah, this is a very serious thing that we shouldn't 3:10:16.200 --> 3:10:18.440 under play for a second that like the United States 3:10:18.480 --> 3:10:22.480 had done something which is completely illegal, right, which is 3:10:22.560 --> 3:10:25.480 an act of war against a sovereign country, And me 3:10:25.640 --> 3:10:26.840 saying this doesn't mean I'm going. 3:10:26.840 --> 3:10:27.600 To du rose down. 3:10:27.680 --> 3:10:29.680 Anyone who has listened to any portion of my work 3:10:29.720 --> 3:10:33.240 will understand that. But it is incredibly serious to the 3:10:33.360 --> 3:10:35.400 US and attempting to set as president that it can 3:10:35.520 --> 3:10:38.240 just black bag heads of state. Whether or not the 3:10:38.360 --> 3:10:40.800 US considers a legitimate right, their argument that the duor 3:10:40.920 --> 3:10:44.240 is not legitimate, it doesn't matter. If they can just 3:10:44.320 --> 3:10:47.680 send dudes in helicopters to black people around the world, 3:10:47.800 --> 3:10:50.520 then that is a very scary precedent. 3:10:51.280 --> 3:10:53.520 All right, I am going to head out and return 3:10:53.560 --> 3:10:56.200 to the CEES show floor. I will say for the 3:10:56.879 --> 3:10:59.440 if you're doing a tariff talk segment, there has been 3:10:59.480 --> 3:11:01.760 discussion of tariffs at CEES that I have not mentioned 3:11:01.800 --> 3:11:04.680 on the CS episodes so far, two thumbs down to 3:11:04.879 --> 3:11:07.760 two thumbs down on the tariffs from the Consumer Electronics Showcase. 3:11:08.600 --> 3:11:11.000 Now they're coming out with the bold stands that they 3:11:11.000 --> 3:11:12.199 don't like the terror Wow. 3:11:12.840 --> 3:11:15.400 I think Ivanka Trump was giving a knot of dress 3:11:16.040 --> 3:11:18.119 at the last CS that I attended. 3:11:18.320 --> 3:11:21.760 Rock incredible, incredible. 3:11:21.240 --> 3:11:22.880 Well related news. I stopped attended. 3:11:24.720 --> 3:11:27.400 Well, I have to keep attending now because the Secretary 3:11:27.440 --> 3:11:31.320 to the US from Estonia was was googling me for 3:11:31.720 --> 3:11:35.439 thirty minutes yesterday, So I might be getting a new passport. 3:11:36.080 --> 3:11:38.920 Oh boy, God speed. 3:11:40.240 --> 3:11:44.400 The AI prebanalyzing toilet for me, Garrison, I will do so. 3:11:44.680 --> 3:11:47.000 One of the questions that we had at the very 3:11:47.080 --> 3:11:50.560 beginning of this operation was what is going to happen 3:11:50.720 --> 3:11:54.520 to the US oil blockade on Venezuela. And the answer 3:11:54.680 --> 3:11:57.640 is that it appears to still be in a fact, 3:11:57.920 --> 3:12:02.480 the evidence of which is the US interdicting to oil tankers, 3:12:03.400 --> 3:12:06.520 one of which they've been chasing for about a month. 3:12:06.680 --> 3:12:09.920 A few weeks which is really funny if you know 3:12:10.320 --> 3:12:13.720 how large an oil tanker is that you've fit in 3:12:13.800 --> 3:12:18.000 a boat chased with an oil tanker, It's. 3:12:17.840 --> 3:12:21.680 Like, I guess it's just so big they can't make 3:12:21.720 --> 3:12:22.199 it stop. 3:12:23.120 --> 3:12:23.760 Yeah, I guess. 3:12:23.920 --> 3:12:23.960 So. 3:12:24.040 --> 3:12:27.760 Apparently the demonstrations claiming that the coast Guard had attempted 3:12:27.800 --> 3:12:30.080 to board it, and they refuse to allow the coast 3:12:30.080 --> 3:12:32.360 Guard to board. But the only thing I can think 3:12:32.400 --> 3:12:35.760 of is, you know those those giant vehicles they use 3:12:35.920 --> 3:12:40.720 to move rockets around at JPL or like like from JPL, 3:12:40.800 --> 3:12:42.360 like on the launch site where they had They can 3:12:42.440 --> 3:12:44.600 only move like five miles an hour, and they're the 3:12:44.720 --> 3:12:46.920 size of a rocket because you have to have a 3:12:47.040 --> 3:12:50.360 standing rocket on it. That's what it's like. They're chasing 3:12:50.400 --> 3:12:58.199 an empty oil tanker the Atlantic. It's also worth noting 3:12:58.400 --> 3:13:01.720 that one of the very weird parts of this is 3:13:01.800 --> 3:13:05.760 that I'm gonna quote quote from writers here. Attorney General 3:13:05.840 --> 3:13:08.320 Pam Bondi said in a statement that the ship's crew 3:13:08.480 --> 3:13:12.160 had made quote frantic efforts to avoid apprehension, which again 3:13:12.320 --> 3:13:14.200 I kind of emphasize this it off. This is an 3:13:14.280 --> 3:13:19.560 oil tanker, Like, this is not a speed This is 3:13:19.720 --> 3:13:22.800 like the largest like one of one of the largest 3:13:22.840 --> 3:13:25.720 and most unwieldly craft that humanity has ever produced in 3:13:25.760 --> 3:13:31.320 its entire history. Like, how are you getting frantically aber? 3:13:31.879 --> 3:13:32.039 Yeah? 3:13:33.840 --> 3:13:41.400 I don't know an oil taker evasive maneuvers and this 3:13:41.520 --> 3:13:44.279 is this is also from the Raiders thing end quote 3:13:44.320 --> 3:13:48.760 failed to obey Coastguard orders and so faces criminal charges, 3:13:49.680 --> 3:13:54.359 which sucks. But also I like, if you're getting evaded 3:13:54.800 --> 3:13:58.000 by an oil tanker, that is a skill issue. 3:13:58.520 --> 3:14:02.880 Like you, there are websites where you can track these things. 3:14:02.959 --> 3:14:06.360 They have transponders, like when this thing was captured, its 3:14:06.360 --> 3:14:11.360 transponder was on. So this skill issue. I good Lord. 3:14:12.080 --> 3:14:14.080 On a more serious note, this is this is part 3:14:14.120 --> 3:14:17.680 of that initial oil blockade of sanctioned Venezuela and oil 3:14:17.720 --> 3:14:19.959 that began last year. The US government has been saying 3:14:19.959 --> 3:14:22.080 that this ship and the other ship that the other 3:14:22.160 --> 3:14:26.760 oil tankers that they've seized are basically ghost ships, which 3:14:26.800 --> 3:14:28.200 we talked about another episode. I don't know if you 3:14:28.200 --> 3:14:30.240 want to explain again what that is, James. 3:14:30.040 --> 3:14:35.200 But yeah, they're often old ships that are either reflagged 3:14:35.680 --> 3:14:38.200 or the ships that have been retired and are returned, 3:14:38.320 --> 3:14:40.280 or the ships have been scraped and someone has taken 3:14:40.320 --> 3:14:43.280 their name, and it's using it so that they pay 3:14:43.320 --> 3:14:45.840 elect ships, you know, coming back from the dead. But 3:14:45.959 --> 3:14:49.160 often they will reflag or rename halfway through their trip, 3:14:49.200 --> 3:14:54.400 and it's a bunch of boat law stuff to avoid sanctions, 3:14:54.480 --> 3:14:55.800 is what they tend to be. 3:14:56.400 --> 3:14:59.840 Yeah, And so that that's the US's justification for season 3:15:00.160 --> 3:15:03.199 two more oil tankers, which again I also cannot emphasize 3:15:03.280 --> 3:15:04.920 enough that this also is an act of work. 3:15:05.240 --> 3:15:07.200 Yeah. I mean, were they flagged as Venezuelan. 3:15:07.879 --> 3:15:10.080 No, one of them was flagged as Russian, and I 3:15:10.160 --> 3:15:13.000 haven't seen anything about what the other ship was flagged as. 3:15:14.400 --> 3:15:18.680 China has protested the seizures of these boats, but there 3:15:18.720 --> 3:15:21.600 hasn't really been anything other than diplomatic noise so far 3:15:22.720 --> 3:15:25.320 from the Chinese government. Who if there was a government 3:15:25.360 --> 3:15:28.200 on the world stage who was going to do a 3:15:28.240 --> 3:15:30.400 serious protest about this, I think it would have been 3:15:30.480 --> 3:15:34.600 either Russia or China, And we haven't really seen anything 3:15:34.680 --> 3:15:38.760 more significant than the diplomats being annoyed. So we will 3:15:38.800 --> 3:15:41.360 continue to see how this oil blockade plays out and 3:15:41.760 --> 3:15:45.440 the effects that it has on people in Venezuela. I 3:15:45.680 --> 3:15:48.760 wish I had a better adpuvot for this but I don't. 3:15:48.959 --> 3:15:50.199 So here's ads. 3:15:50.360 --> 3:15:52.560 Well, they liked oil tankers. May they just rumble along 3:15:52.600 --> 3:15:55.080 and you can't stop it? And then yes, we've been 3:15:55.160 --> 3:15:56.120 unable to interdictment. 3:16:07.920 --> 3:16:12.480 We are back from our failed ad intradiction. Do you 3:16:12.520 --> 3:16:16.320 want to talk about Syria, James, Oh yeah, this is. 3:16:16.440 --> 3:16:21.080 James Grim the rest of the world segment to a 3:16:21.120 --> 3:16:22.840 lot of bad stuff is happening, and some of it's 3:16:22.879 --> 3:16:25.440 not going to punch into like your mainstream US news 3:16:25.680 --> 3:16:29.039 media diet. So right now, pretty serious fighting has broken 3:16:29.080 --> 3:16:32.760 out in a leper right. Syrian transitional government forces are 3:16:32.840 --> 3:16:37.360 shelling and attempting to enter the Kurdish enclave shipmuk Sud. 3:16:38.000 --> 3:16:41.200 Shipmunk Sud is like an area in where Curdish and 3:16:41.280 --> 3:16:43.119 other people right there with Christian people. There are zd 3:16:43.240 --> 3:16:47.280 people who live there have this enclave has remained right 3:16:47.320 --> 3:16:52.279 despite the the regime taking over of the Syrian traditional 3:16:52.320 --> 3:16:54.080 government taking over the rest of their leaper right, they 3:16:54.080 --> 3:16:57.480 didn't take over the areas. Area has remained under the 3:16:57.600 --> 3:17:00.080 control of the aa n E S, the AUTO this 3:17:00.160 --> 3:17:04.320 Administration of North and East Syria AKA or Java, but 3:17:04.480 --> 3:17:06.640 they have demilitarized it. And what that means is that 3:17:06.720 --> 3:17:09.760 there are only internal security forces who are called SASH 3:17:10.160 --> 3:17:13.360 in Kurdish in this region. But it peers that what 3:17:13.600 --> 3:17:17.720 happened was an SDF drone unit struck an STG vehicle 3:17:17.959 --> 3:17:21.480 with a drone. STG Syrian Transitional Government, right, that's the 3:17:21.800 --> 3:17:24.120 Jilani al Shara government, and of. 3:17:24.120 --> 3:17:28.280 Course they have another acronym just y. Acronyms were over, yeah, 3:17:28.360 --> 3:17:29.640 they're none. 3:17:31.160 --> 3:17:34.880 Yeah aways more so they hit this std VI Glinda 3:17:35.000 --> 3:17:38.240 Hafa and then the STG seemed to respond by dropping 3:17:38.320 --> 3:17:42.039 grenades into Ship Maksoud from drones, and then the SASH 3:17:42.120 --> 3:17:46.520 responded with drones and conflict began. Right, what's different then? 3:17:46.560 --> 3:17:49.920 There has been conflict on and off in shipmak Sud 3:17:50.400 --> 3:17:53.120 for a long time, but in the last year, right 3:17:53.400 --> 3:17:57.640 since HTS moved from Aleppo to seize most of the country. 3:17:58.160 --> 3:18:01.640 Htslo alf Sham, a group that was formerly on the 3:18:01.680 --> 3:18:04.200 Foreign Terrorist Organization that's the United States no longer is 3:18:04.760 --> 3:18:07.080 what we have seen here is not only shelling of 3:18:07.160 --> 3:18:10.880 the Ship mac sudent neighborhood and shelling in response or 3:18:11.040 --> 3:18:13.960 mortify and response for the SFAs don't have heavy weapons, 3:18:14.040 --> 3:18:18.000 that's not their role. The STG has also attempted to 3:18:18.360 --> 3:18:21.640 enter shik Maxu to seize it. Right, this has obviously 3:18:21.720 --> 3:18:25.400 prompted thousands of people to flee because they are worried, 3:18:26.000 --> 3:18:30.000 very reasonably about groups that were previously known under the 3:18:30.040 --> 3:18:34.240 banner of the SNA or the Turkish FSA, who have 3:18:34.480 --> 3:18:38.400 previously conducted ethnic cleansing of Kurdish people in areas that 3:18:38.560 --> 3:18:42.560 they have managed to take control of, right, who have 3:18:42.760 --> 3:18:47.760 murdered civilians, who have executed women in Kurdish politics. There's 3:18:47.800 --> 3:18:50.680 every reason for these civilian interfere that happening again, right, 3:18:50.840 --> 3:18:54.160 because the Syrian Transitional Government has far too often just 3:18:54.320 --> 3:18:57.280 rebadged SNA units with a long and storied history of 3:18:57.360 --> 3:19:00.320 war crimes and not done anything to stop them doing 3:19:00.360 --> 3:19:02.840 it again. But also, some of these are not SNA units. 3:19:02.879 --> 3:19:06.120 Some of these are Syrian Transitional Government units from other 3:19:06.240 --> 3:19:10.320 parts of Syria. Nonetheless, there's this attempt and encouraging into 3:19:10.320 --> 3:19:15.000 the neighborhood is remarkable. It's different. As I write this, 3:19:15.440 --> 3:19:18.800 the SDG appeared to be staging to enter the neighborhood again. 3:19:19.320 --> 3:19:22.680 Very amusingly, they took a video showing this, which also 3:19:22.760 --> 3:19:27.600 revealed the position of all their armor on telegram classic 3:19:27.640 --> 3:19:29.080 classic serience of a war stuff. 3:19:29.320 --> 3:19:33.119 Yeah, yeah, everyone loves to be revealing their position on telegram. 3:19:34.000 --> 3:19:38.200 So yeah, maybe when I when I reopened telegram, those 3:19:38.200 --> 3:19:39.520 guys will have been wiped out by a bunch of 3:19:39.560 --> 3:19:42.040 your owns. Who knows. But yet it continues to be 3:19:42.080 --> 3:19:44.360 a flashpoint. And this is the most serious flare up 3:19:44.440 --> 3:19:46.720 we've seen in a long time. Right, there was supposed 3:19:46.720 --> 3:19:49.720 to be an agreement for the integration of the SDF 3:19:49.920 --> 3:19:53.360 into the Syrian Transitional Government Ministry of Defense. That has failed. 3:19:53.400 --> 3:19:57.080 They haven't come to an agreement. Various sources are reporting 3:19:57.200 --> 3:20:01.960 various things about what they wanted, specifically what the SDF 3:20:02.080 --> 3:20:04.920 wanted for a YPG. Who are the Women's Defense Forces 3:20:04.959 --> 3:20:08.280 and there are that is a definitely red line for them. 3:20:08.640 --> 3:20:11.240 They won't disband that though. The women won't put down 3:20:11.280 --> 3:20:15.000 their guts right and for very reasonable reasons. We don't 3:20:15.040 --> 3:20:18.440 know exactly if the Serting Transitional Government refuse to accept 3:20:18.480 --> 3:20:20.160 them in any way. They have said they wouldn't do it, 3:20:20.160 --> 3:20:21.880 that they have said they would accept them, but we 3:20:21.920 --> 3:20:24.200 don't really have like a very clear picture of the 3:20:24.280 --> 3:20:29.400 last round of negotiations. Talking of Kurdish armed groups, let's 3:20:29.560 --> 3:20:33.400 go from Jaba to Roger. That right across Kurdistan from 3:20:34.360 --> 3:20:36.880 west to east, just looking at the little compass in 3:20:36.920 --> 3:20:41.879 my head. In Iran, protests have grown around the country. 3:20:42.480 --> 3:20:46.080 These protests began largely because of the decreased purchasing power 3:20:46.120 --> 3:20:49.400 of people's money. There. Of course, the protests have further 3:20:49.480 --> 3:20:54.240 reduced that and people are really feeling the economic bite 3:20:54.640 --> 3:20:58.920 right now. This time. What is different is that armed 3:20:59.000 --> 3:21:03.440 groups have come out in support. I saw LEAD, the 3:21:03.520 --> 3:21:07.040 name translates as People's Revolutionary Front had assassinated a car 3:21:07.120 --> 3:21:10.880 Brothers like a drive by pak so Pak, one of 3:21:10.959 --> 3:21:15.960 the smaller Kurdish paramilitary groups. I made an episode I 3:21:16.040 --> 3:21:18.560 think it was called what does Bombing Mean for Freedom 3:21:18.560 --> 3:21:22.320 in Iran last year with Gourdain and I will try 3:21:22.360 --> 3:21:25.080 and get back with Gordy soon to talk more about this. 3:21:25.240 --> 3:21:27.400 But if you're wondering who are all these groups? What 3:21:27.480 --> 3:21:29.400 are all these acronyms, that's the episode you need to 3:21:29.480 --> 3:21:34.080 go to. So Pak, Peshmoker have been killed, right, which 3:21:34.160 --> 3:21:39.920 is a significant change. There have been armed elements in 3:21:40.040 --> 3:21:43.160 these protests and there has been a unity statement both 3:21:43.200 --> 3:21:46.800 from the different Kurdish armed groups. I think it was 3:21:46.879 --> 3:21:51.040 Piyak pak and Comala who made this statement, right, and 3:21:51.200 --> 3:21:56.360 then also from coalition of Kurdish women's organizations. It's organization 3:21:56.480 --> 3:21:59.320 from across that political spectrum, but in that part of 3:21:59.360 --> 3:22:02.959 the world together to denounce the actions of the regime, 3:22:03.040 --> 3:22:06.840 which include, for instance, in Elam Province riot police storming 3:22:06.879 --> 3:22:09.480 a hospital. I don't know people will have seen that video, 3:22:09.520 --> 3:22:11.120 but it was extremely surving. 3:22:11.480 --> 3:22:15.880 Has there been any movement from the Belushi independence groups. Yeah, 3:22:15.920 --> 3:22:19.280 sure there has, Yeah, but I know I'm pretty sure 3:22:19.320 --> 3:22:22.440 it was a Volushi group. I remember the twenty nineteen protests. 3:22:22.480 --> 3:22:24.360 The most military got was I think a Blueshi group 3:22:24.440 --> 3:22:26.800 like fired at RPG at a police track point, but 3:22:27.040 --> 3:22:28.760 it never really sort of spread beyond that. 3:22:29.520 --> 3:22:33.200 Yeah, I don't know. There are different Yeah, there are 3:22:33.240 --> 3:22:37.400 a number of like volutions groups. I'm not aware of 3:22:37.440 --> 3:22:41.760 their involvement. There have definitely been like police repression there 3:22:41.840 --> 3:22:44.760 like there was everywhere else. Right, Yeah, absolutely, But yeah, 3:22:45.120 --> 3:22:46.920 I will try and probably have this in a whole 3:22:47.000 --> 3:22:48.879 episode next week. There, I've had a lot of time 3:22:48.920 --> 3:22:51.920 to prepare on that with all the craziness. I did 3:22:52.040 --> 3:22:54.640 see that this morning. So we're on the seventh again. 3:22:54.920 --> 3:22:58.040 The armed forces attack protesters in the Grand Bazaar and Tehran, 3:22:58.360 --> 3:23:01.119 which you're not aware, has a tremendou significance right from 3:23:01.120 --> 3:23:05.080 their seventeen nine revolution there, and Entrump has tron twenty 3:23:05.160 --> 3:23:07.199 ven as he always does. 3:23:07.120 --> 3:23:11.000 Right, Yeah, exactly perfectly what the regime wants. There's a 3:23:11.080 --> 3:23:15.400 lesson to portray themselves as defenders of Iranian sovereignty et cetera, 3:23:15.440 --> 3:23:17.680 et cetera, against American imperialism. 3:23:18.440 --> 3:23:23.080 Yeah, America, great Satan. Moving on, let's talk about Israel. 3:23:23.680 --> 3:23:26.080 Israel has threatened to withhold I think it has now 3:23:26.120 --> 3:23:33.480 withheld registration to operate in Gaza from Msfontierre, ox FAN 3:23:33.879 --> 3:23:37.360 and a number of other aid organizations. MSF I'm just 3:23:37.360 --> 3:23:39.040 going to quote from them called it a cynical and 3:23:39.120 --> 3:23:42.240 calculated attempt to prevent organizations from providing services in Gaza 3:23:42.320 --> 3:23:44.240 in the West Bank, which is a breach of Israel's 3:23:44.240 --> 3:23:48.360 obligations under international humanitarian law. It's just them trying to 3:23:48.520 --> 3:23:52.840 further starve people to death, right, there's no other reason. 3:23:53.000 --> 3:23:55.000 Like Israel has made the claim that these groups have 3:23:55.080 --> 3:23:58.920 been infiltrated by militants. That is a blackable conjecture, Like, yeah, 3:23:59.000 --> 3:24:02.400 it's a bad joke. Like I've worked for THEMSSEF and 3:24:02.440 --> 3:24:06.680 OXFAM all over the world. Right, there are a lot 3:24:06.720 --> 3:24:08.960 of criticisms of them. I would make one of them 3:24:09.080 --> 3:24:11.120 is not that they have been infiltration. 3:24:10.760 --> 3:24:12.720 By shocking on us like you're having a laugh. 3:24:14.000 --> 3:24:15.400 I want to do a hard episode on this. 3:24:15.640 --> 3:24:16.039 But like. 3:24:17.600 --> 3:24:21.120 When Brian talks about two plus two weekals five in 3:24:21.280 --> 3:24:23.920 nineteen eighty four, this is where that gets us right, 3:24:24.000 --> 3:24:26.320 when you can just say something that is blatantly false 3:24:26.400 --> 3:24:28.920 and force people to agree that it is true. And 3:24:29.080 --> 3:24:31.959 that is the project of genocide because it first has 3:24:32.040 --> 3:24:35.640 to destroy the truth to justify what it is doing. 3:24:36.520 --> 3:24:40.720 And we are seeing that happening. And a very brief 3:24:40.879 --> 3:24:44.800 migration update. Finally, in the case before George Bosberg, regarding 3:24:44.840 --> 3:24:47.760 the Alien Enemies Act that we've brought about before, the 3:24:47.840 --> 3:24:51.360 Trump administration asked for a delay because of the changing 3:24:51.400 --> 3:24:54.960 situation in Vents Whaler, right. I don't think there was 3:24:55.000 --> 3:24:56.640 them for delay so they can be like, oh, it's 3:24:56.680 --> 3:24:58.320 not safe for people to go back, we'd better keep 3:24:58.360 --> 3:25:01.520 hold of them and treat them nicely. It is nice 3:25:01.560 --> 3:25:05.640 suspicion that any agreement they come to with the Rodriguez 3:25:05.800 --> 3:25:10.720 regime will include that it must accept people back, and 3:25:10.800 --> 3:25:12.720 as I said in the other episode, right, these people 3:25:12.760 --> 3:25:14.320 are going back to a country which is a deeply 3:25:14.360 --> 3:25:17.760 paranoid about American spies, and they have lived in America. 3:25:17.840 --> 3:25:20.240 This is not going to be good for them. And 3:25:20.440 --> 3:25:22.200 the City of San Diego has sued the Trump in 3:25:22.240 --> 3:25:26.520 administration for damage to city property on Marin Valley Road 3:25:26.600 --> 3:25:29.200 or it's father complaint today to do so, I'm glad 3:25:29.240 --> 3:25:31.640 of doing it. It's also deeply hypocritical. Right Mayor Tod 3:25:31.760 --> 3:25:34.280 Gloria was out there asking for more border security finding 3:25:34.360 --> 3:25:37.120 Underbiden if he finded the office in the city which 3:25:37.120 --> 3:25:40.640 would welcome refugees and migrants, like, is it just a 3:25:41.080 --> 3:25:41.880 publicity thing? 3:25:42.000 --> 3:25:42.320 Probably? 3:25:42.360 --> 3:25:45.720 Like these people don't care. Right, when migrants were being 3:25:45.720 --> 3:25:47.520 held in the open air in San Diego County and 3:25:47.600 --> 3:25:51.440 San Diego City, these people weren't there. I'm still glad's happening. 3:25:51.520 --> 3:25:53.760 But don't for one second believe these people get a 3:25:53.800 --> 3:25:56.240 single shit about but migrants. They don't and don't for 3:25:56.360 --> 3:25:58.320 one second. Thing they're voting for them is voting to 3:25:58.360 --> 3:26:01.480 be kind to migrants, because it's not. Todd Glaorier is 3:26:01.560 --> 3:26:05.520 a liar, and just like everything else, he is using 3:26:05.560 --> 3:26:09.000 its an opportunity to promote himself and he's a terrible person. 3:26:09.640 --> 3:26:11.960 But yeah, in this case they are suming for trespassing 3:26:12.120 --> 3:26:15.240 and placing a razor wire on city property. It's city property. 3:26:15.280 --> 3:26:17.160 This way outside of what you would think the city 3:26:17.160 --> 3:26:19.360 of San Diego is. It's just adjacent to o Turnout 3:26:19.400 --> 3:26:21.400 and wilderness. 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