1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Only fifteen to ten touched up sack. What's up? Guys, 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Welcome into a brand new episode of Chargers Weekly, as always, 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: joined by Matt Bunny Smith. And we don't have a 4 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: lot of guests on over the last year or so, 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: but one of our favorite guys, Money has joined the 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: program this morning. 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw Jeff out at OTAs yesterday, had a 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: chance to chat with him, to listen to his insightful 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: and salient questions posed to all of those participating in 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 2: the pressers yesterday. And you know, you had the good 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: idea of getting Jeff back in here talk about kind 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: of what he's seen through this phase one two and 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: the voluntary OTAs and of course always a tremendous observer 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 2: of what's happening out there. So why not, Chris, let's 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: lean in our man from the La Times. 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: Let's bring in the great Jeff Miller. How are you man? 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: I'm good. Also, I think it's very fitting that if 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 3: you look at the screen, there's three names. You got 19 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: my full full name plus where I'm from, and then 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: right listen, then just as Matt. 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: One name, just look at me, I mean, look at me, Jack. 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: You know it's not even Money it's not even money, 23 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: it's just Matt. 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: He's put together. 25 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: It's more than enough. Actually, you didn't even need anything. 26 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 3: You just put your face on there and it's fine. 27 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my face with my bad I'm glad that 28 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 2: at least you matched my hair. Chris is always freaking 29 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: geled to the nines, looking good, put together. I typically 30 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: showed up, show up disheveled, appearing as though I don't 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: care about this that I just rolled out of bed. 32 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: Not the case. Just my hair tends to not cooperate 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: and I don't like putting product in it. So anyway, 34 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: that's that is not interesting to the people watching right now. 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: They've already skipped through this three four times on the 36 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: thirty second skip. 37 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: So let's let's get into it, Chris. They love it. Hey, 38 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: you know what, I wasn't there yesterday? Both of you 39 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: guys were, Jeff. Why don't we just start with you 40 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: odds revass from yesterday and then we could kind of 41 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: dig into the the overall picture because we haven't talked 42 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: to you a lot since Hartball has been hired. 43 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the one thing you talk about just observations, 44 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: and the one thing that I noticed yesterday and I 45 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 3: would any Charger fans that are going to go to 46 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: training camp in July, I would suggest one thing you 47 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: might do. Look at number twenty five and look at 48 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 3: his waist and down. That is a football player, Okay, 49 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: Junior Colson, the rookie linebacker. That guy's got a lower 50 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: half on him. Just yesterday, he's off on the side 51 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 3: doing some stuff because he he's dealing with some kind 52 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 3: of an injury. It looks like I think it's something minor. 53 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: I don't think it's anything big, especially in May, but 54 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: he was off on the side. But just you look 55 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: at him, and that guy is so well put together 56 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: at you know, he when Zion Johnson got here, I 57 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: remember after the same type of this time of year. 58 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: He comes up and he talks to us the podium 59 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 3: the first time walked away and I can't remember who's 60 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 3: standing next to me, And I said, that guy's got 61 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 3: the biggest biceps on the team, like right now, he 62 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: just got here. And and I look at Junior and 63 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: I don't know if he's got the biggest quads on 64 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: the team, but he is. He is an impressive species 65 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 3: to look at. And that guy, if you're talking about 66 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: somebody to get excited about it. He just I know 67 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: you guys have talked about him on here and with 68 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: good reason, but just I mean, that's just a real 69 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: basic thing in these OTAs, so it's hard to glean 70 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 3: a lot. What I like doing is these young guys, 71 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: these new guys, just kind of look at how they 72 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: look and in a uniform and how you know, how 73 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: they move and and that's a guy who just jumps 74 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: out to me, it's just a physical He's just so 75 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: impressive physically. His lower half is just it just screams 76 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: NFL linebacker and a guy you look at him and 77 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: think he could be in this league for a long time. 78 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's just if you think about the 79 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: rookie class, you know, as as a whole, not as 80 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: a whole, but you know a number of Jeff, I mean, 81 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: Joe Walt is a giant. He is an absolute giant 82 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: when you just see him in person, because you put 83 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: it in context with other football players, with other starting 84 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: NFL offensive lineman and when he's standing next Tosignon, it 85 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: looks like he's a head taller than him, so you 86 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: recognize that Camani Videll he is. And I know it's 87 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: And I hate when people compare receivers to to Deebo 88 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: Samuel because there is only one Deebo Samuel. And I 89 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: hate when people compare small backs to Darren Sproles because 90 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: there's only one Darren Sprolls. But you know, Videll has 91 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: that lower half like his. If you know what you're 92 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: talking about with Junior, you know Videll man, he is, 93 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: He's compact, he's not, he's certainly he might be the 94 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 2: shortest player on the team, but he might be the widest. 95 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 2: Just he is a he is a moving rectangle, a refrigerator, 96 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: a fire hydrant of a player, you know. And you 97 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: just kind of think about what made Sprolls so good, 98 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: so small, so so strong. You know, that lower half 99 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 2: was so strong, and when he burst through that hole 100 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: and no one could see, he had enough punch to 101 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: not just elude players, but to run them over. And 102 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: that's something that jumps out at me about you know, Idell. 103 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: You see the height of Cornelius Johnson, even though he 104 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: had a bit of a rough day yesterday, some drops 105 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: out there, but you can just kind of see the 106 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: way these guys kind of what you're speaking to Jeff. 107 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 2: There they're put together. We didn't get a chance to yesterday, 108 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 2: you know, just because of the way my schedule lined 109 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 2: up with the Dodgers playing the day game, I was 110 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: able to get out there, and unfortunately he didn't get 111 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: a chance to see, you know, Lad McConkie out there 112 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: with the ones run and he was just kind of 113 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: doing some drills and stuff. But you know, you watch 114 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: him on tape and you just see how explosive he is, 115 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: and there's just I think there's there's a theme to 116 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: this draft class, right Like you said, Jeff, these guys 117 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: are put together. The physical traits are there, the athleticism 118 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: is there. There's like something to each one that just 119 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: goes beyond the production that they had and their college careers. 120 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Jeff, that's a great segue into really 121 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: I feel like the main event in May and June 122 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: is is just conditioning. And you mentioned Zion how big 123 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 1: a advisives were his first press conference. How about now 124 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: he's even bigger. And Ben Herbert has been the talk 125 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: of this offseason program. We went at length about Ben 126 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: in his press conference that went for thirty minutes, and 127 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: just getting these guys into peak physical condition during the offseason. 128 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen anything like that, having a strength 129 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: and conditioning coach talk that long and it'd be such 130 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: a central part of this program. 131 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: Now. I thought it was really interesting that how many 132 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 3: teams even have their strength and conditioning guy talked to 133 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: the media in a podium situation like the Chargers did. 134 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: I It just doesn't happen at any sport really, So 135 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: that just speaks to how important he is to Harbaugh, 136 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 3: how important he is to the Chargers, And you know, 137 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: it's the thing to remember. Just all this stuff's great, 138 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: and I think you want guys like Ben Herbert as 139 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 3: part of the program, but it's still football. The guys 140 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: are still going to get hurt. So I hope everyone 141 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: realizes this that you can't you know, you can't. I 142 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: mean Junior, first day we're out there at Ota is 143 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: like he's he's coming off with something. So it's going 144 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: to happen, but it definitely is. It's definitely different. You know, 145 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: if you anybody's been out there this offseason, you can 146 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: feel it. It's different when they're on the field. The 147 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: you know, this fourth quarter closer thing that they do 148 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: now at the end of practice, that's different. And that's all. 149 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: That's Ben Herbert and so it it's definitely, you know, 150 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: it's one thing to talk about the stuff, and a 151 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: lot of coaches talk about stuff. We you know, for 152 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: the last three years we heard Brandon Staley talk about 153 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: a lot of things. Well, then these guys are doing things, 154 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: whether it's depth, whether it's you know, you're doing all 155 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: the stuff for the players. We hear that all the time. Well, 156 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: these guys actually are doing we know they're doing. Everything 157 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: they're doing is for the players to make them easier, 158 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 3: make it better, make their work environment better. And I 159 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: think part of that is going to be they're going 160 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: to be asked to do a lot. You know, Harbaugh's 161 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: not you know, this is a different animal than what 162 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: some of these guys have probably had for a little while, 163 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 3: especially the guys who've been in the NFL. I think 164 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: there's gonna be moments in training camp where these some 165 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: of these veterans are going to be looking at each 166 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 3: other going what is this guy doing? Like what are 167 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: we doing? Like we're really pushing here, and I think 168 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 3: you're going to see you know, I think you're going 169 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 3: to see some things, uh, you know, and we may 170 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: hear some things in training camp where guys, I don't 171 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: want to say they complaining, but they there may be 172 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: some eye opening moments. 173 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: Uh. 174 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: You know, we've already heard, you know, Denzel Perryman talking 175 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 3: about asking the Michigan guys how much do you guys run? 176 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: I'm sure he heard stories about this is a you know, 177 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 3: this is a regimen that they that these guys are 178 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: going to go through. And you know, and you're a 179 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: guy like Perriman has been in the league for a 180 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 3: long time, you know, he's asking these young guys, Hey, 181 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: what did you guys do? How hard was it? You know, difficult? 182 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: How difficult was it? Chris Chris Hinton on this team 183 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: talked to him about how tough it can be. He 184 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 3: was at in Michigan with Harbbaugh and he'll tell you, yeah, 185 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: some of these players are gonna they may not like this. 186 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: They're gonna be good, they're gonna get better, but it's 187 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: gonna be tough. And I think that's all part of 188 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 3: It's the transition. And I think that's all part of 189 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 3: why Harbaugh is the way he is and he tries 190 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 3: to be you know, of course, a player's coach. It's 191 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: a player friendly environment. We've heard that term a lot, 192 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: and I think it's all because these guys are going 193 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: to be asked to do a whole lot and a 194 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: lot of physical stuff, a lot of mental stuff, and 195 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 3: it's not gonna be easy, and training camp is going 196 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 3: to be tough for some of these guys. I think 197 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 3: it's gonna be a little bit of a wake up 198 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: call for some guys who you know, aren't aren't necessarily 199 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 3: used to what they're going to be being put through. 200 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned something there, Jeffrin. For people that don't 201 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: know or haven't read, you know, some of the stories 202 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: about OTA so far. You mentioned the fourth quarter, So 203 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: you know, if you're not following along, if you haven't heard, 204 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: and this is the first you're hearing of it, it's 205 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. So they go through a full almost 206 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: two hour practice. You know, there's eleven on eleven, seven 207 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: on seven's individual drills, stretches. You know, at the end 208 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: of it all, they huddle up, they have their inspiring message, 209 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 2: they break and then music comes on for the first time, 210 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: and there's about fifteen minutes of work basically a fourth quarter, right, 211 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: fifteen more minutes where you've got sleds with three plates, 212 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: so one hundred and thirty five pounds and belts and 213 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: you're pulling those and you better believe there's a certain 214 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: someone with a whistle around his neck and khakis and 215 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: a polo that's got a belt around his back and 216 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: he's pulling it too. He's right, Harbaugh is right in 217 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: the middle with the players pulling that one hundred and 218 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: thirty five pounds, working on his quads and his hammi's 219 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: and making sure they're strong and ready to go. And 220 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: then you've got this medicine ball carry you know, I 221 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 2: think it's like a thirty pound medicine ball where you're 222 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: doing you know, jogging with that, and then the defensive 223 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: players are flipping basically the old you know, bulldozer tires, 224 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: but now it's a bit of a you know, kind 225 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: of different sort of device that mimics that. 226 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: And that's sure. 227 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: That's we've talked about this. You know, these guys are 228 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: tread and water for three quarters and then the fourth 229 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: quarter Michigan pulls them under, you know, and that's what 230 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: this is and that Look, the training is one thing. 231 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: That's fine, and it's interesting and it's cool. And to me, Jeff, 232 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: like the big thing is the enthusiasm. Like these guys 233 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: just went through an hour forty five and as soon 234 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 2: as that music hits, they all just start kind of 235 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 2: hollering and they're like fourth quarter, here we go, and 236 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: you just get there's a bounce in their step and 237 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: it's like you would think they would dread it, but 238 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: they look forward to it. Like it feels like they're 239 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: looking forward to it, like all right, this is it, 240 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 2: this is the fourth quarter, this is where we make 241 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: our bones. And it's like they they respond to that, 242 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 2: and I think it's also reflective of the you know, 243 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: this is the third coaching regime that I've seen since 244 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: I've been with the Chargers, and I'm not everybody does 245 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: it differently and there's different ways to do it. I 246 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: can't imagine Bill Belichick does it this way, and he's 247 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 2: arguably the most successful coach in the history of a 248 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: football But you know, the player come out first, and 249 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: then like five minutes later, the coaches come out like 250 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 2: it's college football man, Like they're coming out of the 251 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: tunnel and they are sprinting and they're high five in 252 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: and they come out with this enthusiasm after the players 253 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: have already hit the field, so it's almost like they 254 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: can see, Hey, here's the guys. They're gonna be barking 255 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: at you for the next two hours, but they're really 256 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 2: excited to be here and they're excited to go through 257 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: this with you. And there's just, you know, to borrow 258 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: the term, it's not just lip service. There is an 259 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: enthusiasm unknown de mankind, you know, not from just Harbor, 260 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: but all of these coaches. And I think it helps 261 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 2: breed what Jeff's talking about, that Hey, this is gonna 262 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: get tough, but we're in it with you and and 263 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: we're going to be in the middle of it with you, 264 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: and it's it's for good reason and you'll understand why. 265 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: Just kind of come along with us step by step 266 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: and trust us to where we're taking you. 267 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: And Jeff, you bring up a great point because I 268 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: look forward to hearing Khalil and Joey and some of 269 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: the veterans on this team who have gone through you know, 270 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: a brand and state al Ota or you know, coach 271 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: lynn Is Money said the two administrations before Jim Harball. 272 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: But the guys that we've talked to, whether it's been 273 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: rookies from Michigan or guys like Hayden Hurst and Gus Edwards. 274 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: To a man, it's almost like they they take pride 275 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: in the fact that they're gonna play football like this, 276 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: like we're gonna play physical and you're not gonna want 277 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: to play us. That that's the I think that's the 278 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: one kind of phrase I've heard from a lot of 279 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: different places. You don't want to play the Chargers and 280 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: for sixty minutes, we're gonna make you feel it for 281 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: the next week. 282 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, completely, that's h And I think if you think 283 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 3: about football, most of these guys, that's probably how they 284 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: grew up playing. I mean, right, we it's sort of 285 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 3: old schoolish, but it's that kind of almost you know, 286 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: Money said, like college it is. It's sort of collegiate 287 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 3: sort of almost high school. Everybody rallying and we're all 288 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: which is you know, you don't always see in the NFL. 289 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: And And as as Money said, it's one hundred percent 290 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: right is this isn't necessarily the only way to do this. 291 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 3: There are other ways of doing This is just the 292 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: way that's worked for Harbaugh. But you know, so this 293 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 3: is what he's i I'm sure this is what he's 294 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: done everywhere he's been and this is probably what he 295 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: his dad probably did this. This is probably where this 296 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: all comes from. It goes back to his father, who 297 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: was you know, was a coach for years. And uh, 298 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:31,239 Speaker 3: I think it's, you know, him engaging in the drills himself. 299 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 3: That's it's not just you know, a former player being 300 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: goofy and doing this. I think part of that is 301 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 3: he's showing these guys, I'm sixty years old and I'm 302 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: doing this. You know, I'm doing the same stuff I'm 303 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: we're asking you to do. I'm out here doing it. 304 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: I don't think that's by accident. And he's showing these guys, 305 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: you know, I'm here with you. We're all We're all 306 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: of this together. And I think I mean that stuff. 307 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: I mean all that. It's it's kind of corner and 308 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 3: it's sort of goofy. But I do think even professional athletes, 309 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: you know, these guys grew up with this stuff. They 310 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: I'm sure they appreciate it. I think it. I think 311 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: it does resonate on some level. And how many guys 312 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 3: have we interviewed this offseason has made reference to Harbaugh 313 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: while he's played in the league. He played in the league, 314 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: they are they all that has that means something and uh, 315 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 3: you know, and so you know, I think what you're 316 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: seeing is these players, they they they appreciate where he's 317 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 3: coming from. And I think it's pretty clear that if 318 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,359 Speaker 3: you play for this guy, he has your best interest 319 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 3: at heart, because he knows if you're good, the team's 320 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: going to be good, it's gonna look good. He's going 321 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: to look good. So he he is a I mean, 322 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: he's a guy that you you could definitely see why 323 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: guys would like to play for him, want to play 324 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 3: for him. Why all these guys that talk about him 325 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: talk about how much they love playing for him. H 326 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 3: And even if it is difficult, that even if it 327 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 3: is tougher than some of these guys are used to h. 328 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 3: You know, there's there's definitely it's easy to buy into 329 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 3: what this guy's selling, not only based on his his history, 330 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: you know, his successful history he's got, but just the 331 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: way he is and you know, and he's a player. 332 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: He's a player, who accomplished player who's now a coach. 333 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 3: He's not some guy that's just came you know, came 334 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: up through the ranks as a coach. And I mean 335 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: he you know, he was a he's a player first, 336 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: and he's still I think, at his heart a player. 337 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: He only now he's the one with a whistle around 338 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: his neck. 339 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think there's so that's something that 340 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: jumped out of me just and I think this, I'm 341 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: feeling like I'm building off of it. It's just more 342 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: about just the hardball style of coaching Chris that you 343 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: get to see while you're out there fit because you know, 344 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: there's so many things you can watch. There's individual drills, 345 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: the defenses, you know, to my left, way over there, 346 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: the offense is you know over here's old line and 347 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: here's running backs, and here's why. So you're trying, you know, 348 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: there's a million things as you're trying to follow, and 349 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: there's a million things you can follow whatever you decide 350 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: to focus on. But a couple of things, a couple 351 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 2: of moments just pop right. And you always hear about, 352 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: you know, treat the you know, treat the superstar the 353 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: same way you treat the receptionist when you walk in, 354 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: you know, and respect the you know, respect the organization, 355 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: respect it. Everybody is here to do a job and 356 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: they're just doing the job that they've been asked to do. 357 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: And I think that's something we've always heard about Harbaugh, 358 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: that he's done, and I just saw it illustrated so perfectly, 359 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: where you know, he's got almost one hundred percent participation. 360 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: There were five guys you know, missing yesterday, the most 361 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 2: interesting ones being Gus Edwards and JK. Dobbins. But so 362 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: you've got four quarterbacks out there right, I don't know 363 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: if three are going to make the team, you know, 364 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 2: let alone a fourth. And Casey Bauman, who's you know, undrafted. 365 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: I just want to make sure I got it. Undrafted free 366 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: agent out of Augustana right is out there and he's 367 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: barely getting reps, but he's he's he's the QB for 368 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: this run drill and Harball's on the other side of 369 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: the field and he's, you know, trying to keep track 370 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 2: of everything that's going on, and he makes a bee 371 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: line and Bauman happened to be right in front of me, 372 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: so that's why I kind of picked up on it 373 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: from where I was standing. So it comes over to 374 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: Bauman and he must have spent you know, two solid 375 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: minutes with him. I know it sounds like a small 376 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: amount of time, but it feels like an eternity and 377 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: he's just trying to show him the way that he 378 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: should be handing the ball off, and he's talking about 379 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: his footwork and Bauman like gets it and he's like, 380 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 2: is that it? And Harball's like, no, that's not it. 381 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: We got to do it like this. And it's a 382 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: solid like four or five repetitions of this to a 383 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: guy that's the fourth quarterback and undrafted free agent, but 384 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: he's coached and he's like, hey, man, you're here. We 385 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: appreciate you being what's he always say, Hey, we want competitors. 386 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: When you show up, compete and you'll be respected. Boman's 387 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: out there competing and with a million different spots. He 388 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: could be with Derwin James over here, and Joey bosen 389 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: Khalil Mack here and Justin Herbert's here, and and there's 390 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: your O lineman, you know, your big number five overall 391 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: pick and Joel. He's talking to someone who's got very 392 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 2: close to zero chance of making this team, maybe not 393 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: even making the practice squad. But hey, this is the 394 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: way you should do it. This is the right way 395 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 2: to do it, and this is gonna help you. This 396 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: is gonna help you become a better quarterback. And I 397 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 2: think that just illustrates, you know, just what this is 398 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: to him. It doesn't matter what your name is, you know, 399 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 2: what your number is, what slot you are. Let's let's 400 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: let's coach you up. You're you're here, you're you're competing. 401 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: Let's make sure we give you the you know, the 402 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: resources to get to get better. And I'll just quickly 403 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: just kind of add to that as maybe a jumping 404 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: off point for you. The other thing that stood out 405 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 2: to me is, you know, when you go to these 406 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 2: OTAs or you go to training camp, what do all 407 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks have on you on you know, a red 408 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: penny or something, right, not the case Justin Herbert has 409 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: on a gold jersey, the only gold jersey out there. 410 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: The offense is in white, the defense is in blue. 411 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: Special teams that the specialists are in white, and Justin 412 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: Herbert is in gold. Easton Stick is not in gold. 413 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: Max Duggan is not in gold. Casey Bawman is not 414 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: in gold. And I think that sends a message, you know, 415 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 2: of kind of what we've heard about Herbert and maybe 416 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 2: how he leads a little bit more by example, how 417 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: he may not be the most vocal. Harbaugh's like, no, 418 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: you are QB one. You are the leader of this team. 419 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: You are the only one out here with this gold 420 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: jersey on. Look around and recognize that this position, that 421 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: this is different. You know, you're gonna be get treated 422 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: the same, you're gonna get coached the same. But please 423 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: recognize as you look around, there's only one guy out 424 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: here with that gold jersey on, and it's you. And 425 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 2: I think that that is just that's my interpretation that 426 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 2: it's a subtle message of you are different. You know 427 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: you are different, and you are our leader, and you 428 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: are You're the gold one, You're the golden child. So 429 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: accept that, embrace it. 430 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, and I want to talk about Herbert. 431 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: But one of the things you mentioned, both you guys mentioned, 432 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: it's just like some of these like stolen moments in 433 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: OTAs jesse Mincher was miked up and to hear coach 434 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: Harball go up to him and say, hey, you know, 435 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: it's Tully. He's at the front of every every drill, 436 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, and he's a He went back to him again. 437 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: He's like, toll, he's still doing that. He's still still 438 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: at the front. He goes, I'm gonna say something to 439 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: in front of the team. You know, I want to 440 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: mention that, you know, those are like the little things 441 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: that you kind of you see how Horball operates as 442 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: a coach, and it kind of segues into money and Jeff, 443 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: maybe the strength of this defense this upcoming season is 444 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: these edge rushers. I know you wrote about Bud Dupree, 445 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: Jeff and to have Khalil, Joey Tooley and Dupree, Jesse Mitcher, 446 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: I think has has identified the strength of this team 447 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: and they want to do in terms of fighting mismatches 448 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: and getting after the quarterback with these four guys. 449 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 3: Oh completely, And you know you want to talk about 450 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: a moment that, like I think really sort of define 451 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 3: that illustrated that this is a different offseason, this is 452 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: a different regime. Was Bud Dupree even being a Charger? 453 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: That wouldn't have happened. You know, I've been around the 454 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 3: team from the second year they've been in LA. That 455 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: never would have happened in the past. That signing was 456 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 3: not going to happen. They wouldn't have been a position 457 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: to sign him, They wouldn't have pursued him. That that 458 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 3: to me that day when they got a guy who 459 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 3: you know, it clearly is on the backside of his career, 460 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 3: but is still a player and it has done some 461 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 3: things in this league. When they are investing in that 462 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: guy and he's coming here to be the third at 463 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: you know, at best, the third fourth edge rusher, that 464 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: tells you something about bud Dupree. It tells you also 465 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 3: something about what this roster and what they're trying to do. 466 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 3: And there you know that. That's when I talked about 467 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 3: like you know, you can you can discuss these things 468 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 3: and say this is what we're about and we're gonna 469 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 3: do this, We're gonna do that, or you can do that, 470 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 3: and then you can follow it up with your actions. 471 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 3: And that bud dupre signing to me, you know, for 472 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: a signing in May the middle of May, that I 473 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: thought was that said a lot about what these guys 474 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 3: are about. I mean, they brought in a guy who 475 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: I expect to do some stuff this year. He's gonna 476 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 3: he'll he'll contribute in a not in a minor way, 477 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 3: and I think, but what that does and specifically to 478 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: this edge group. You're seeing this now and we saw 479 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 3: it some last year and you're gonna see it a 480 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 3: lot is you've got three of these guys on the 481 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 3: field at the same time, and you've got two guys 482 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 3: on the edge, and then you got that third guy 483 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 3: and it could be any one of those guys moving around. 484 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: And we saw tually doing some of yesterday. We have 485 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 3: seen it with you know, Khalil and Joey in the past, 486 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 3: where they you know, you'll get these guys a little 487 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: line up on the same side and have another guy 488 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 3: on the other side, and you'll you know, I think 489 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 3: all of that is designed clearly. You know, it's pressure 490 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 3: the quarterback. That's what this is going to be. That's 491 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 3: what they're doing. And I think part of it too, 492 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: you know, if you want to have if there's a 493 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 3: position group to have concerns about, it would be the secondary. Well, 494 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 3: one way you can make that secondary better is get 495 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 3: to the quarterback. And I think you know that that's 496 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 3: I think once they were able to get Khalil and 497 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 3: Joey to stay and worked out their contract situations, that 498 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 3: they knew they were going to be on this team, 499 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 3: I think immediately Joe Ortiz, the GM and Harbaugh went 500 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 3: into the mode of Okay, that's now going to be 501 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 3: We've got those two guys, we know, we got Tuley, 502 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 3: that's going to be our strength. We're going to build 503 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 3: off of that. We're going to you know, build on 504 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 3: that front. The whole idea, you know, it leans into 505 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: the whole be tough, aggressive, pounding team. We've they've talked 506 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 3: about that since they got here. This new leadership group 507 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 3: on offense. Now they're doing the same thing on defense. 508 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 3: That's what they've done. That up that front, you know, 509 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 3: led on the edges is what they're they're trying to 510 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 3: build this thing around. And uh and you know, you know, 511 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 3: Bud to pre said yesterday he's been in the league 512 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: almost ten years. He's never been in a position group 513 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 3: like this. I mean played with t J. Watt, you know, 514 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 3: who's like one of the best of all time with 515 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 3: the Steelers. But it was the two of them. Now, 516 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 3: you know, they you know, you look at you know, 517 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: I mean, Bud and Toutley could be starters for a 518 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: lot of teams. And that's not that's not terrible, you know, 519 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: but those are the two backup guys. Those are those 520 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 3: are three and four behind you know, you know, two 521 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 3: guys who are who have been among the best in 522 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: the league when they're certainly when they're when they're on 523 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 3: the field, they're they're among the best in the league 524 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 3: over the last decade. So I think that's you know, 525 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: I think once both they got both those guys back one, 526 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: once Khalil and Enjoy we're in, I think that's when 527 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: they realize, Okay, that's our strength and that's where we're 528 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 3: building from off of that. 529 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: I think, you know, you speak to just how it's different, Jeff. 530 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 2: You know, they came out of the draft and that 531 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: was the number one issue. It's like, Okay, they got 532 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 2: the O line. You know, got got a linebacker, you 533 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 2: got you know, your receiver in Lad McConkey and probably 534 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 2: still wont An X. Maybe a legitimate you know outside 535 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: can beat press speed receiver. And they did not do 536 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 2: anything to edge. So and what do they do? Bang 537 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 2: Bud Dupree, you know, potential double digit SAT guy, pretty 538 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 2: big number, you know, two your deal, solid salary. You 539 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: go out and get him a lot of competition for 540 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: his services, and the Chargers land him and you get 541 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 2: djhark a legit six foot three, four to three has 542 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 2: played X his whole career, beats Press man and there's 543 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 2: your two, you know, two pretty big holes that that 544 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: are filled with you know, decent salaries, not giant long 545 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: term contracts, but considering what's available, you know, solid numbers, 546 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: and I suspect they're going to do it again, Chris 547 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 2: just after June first. That's why I think they have 548 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: not gone out and signed Johnson or Simmons or you know, 549 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 2: xaviing Howard or whomever is, or Stefan Gilmour. I think 550 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 2: they're probably like, Okay, I think those guys are still 551 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: going to be there. Let's wait post June one, and 552 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 2: I won't be the least bit surprised. And I think 553 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 2: the one thing you should get used to with this 554 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: team as well, And this is what the Leatherwood signing 555 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: screams to me, because we know firsthand how bad he 556 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: was his rookie year. We got to see it up 557 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 2: close and personal. Basically kicked him inside from tackle to 558 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 2: guard after he played the Chargers. But I think for 559 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: it's the bottom of the roster, it's something that we 560 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: weren't used to seeing, where throughout the course of the season, 561 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 2: every single week it's like, hey, this might not be 562 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: one or two on the depth chart, but is this 563 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 2: better than number fifty three? Is this person better than 564 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: number forty nine. And I think that's what Leatherwood is. 565 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: It's like, is he a top six O lineman? 566 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 3: No? 567 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 2: But is he the seventh best? We're going to probably 568 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 2: carry eight so or maybe nine, you know, So is 569 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: he can he be OL number seven? OL number eight? 570 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: Because if he is, he's making the team. And so 571 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 2: that's one of those things you know that you're not 572 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 2: comparing him to Trey Pipkins or Jamari Sawyer. You're comparing 573 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: him to Foster Cerel and Brennan Himss and Jordan McFadden. 574 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: Like that's what we're talking about. I think that's something 575 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: we need to get used to that that we're not 576 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: that this this is all about depth and making sure 577 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: that you know, numbers forty five through fifty three are 578 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 2: the best they can possibly be and if they're not, 579 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: onto the next one, you know. And I think that's 580 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: what we're going to start to see throughout the course 581 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: of the season, is every week potentially a signing like 582 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 2: that that that improves your depth and makes you feel 583 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: a little bit better as a in case of emergency 584 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: break glass or the way this team's gonna play is, 585 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: is Leatherwood your best sixth offensive lineman to put out there, 586 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 2: or you're set because they're gonna run those packages. They're 587 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: gonna run six O line or seven O line like 588 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: we saw at Stanford, you know, and that's gonna and 589 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: maybe he's best in that situation because he's big and 590 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: strong and yeah, he's not a tackle, he's not a garble. 591 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: Let's put him in that little six spot and we're 592 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: good and go. So I think that's something that that's 593 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 2: that's that it's worth keeping an eye on. 594 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 3: Money. 595 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: It's a fantastic point because we talk so much about 596 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: the stamina, right and and this what plagued this team 597 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: the last several years, not a lot of depth at 598 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: key positions, especially late in the season and then the 599 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, and not being able to sustain and hold 600 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: a lead. Right. So by conditioning this team to play 601 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: sixteen minutes of football and say, hey, there's no surprises, 602 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: this is how it's gonna be, and then finding those 603 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 1: key depth pieces, because I would argue that not only 604 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: is bud Dupree, you know, someone you compare with Joey 605 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: and Khalil, but hey, with the injury history of Joey 606 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: specifically the last couple of years to have a guy 607 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: like that who could step in and be a starter, 608 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: as Jeff benched like, those are the types of signings 609 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: that I think can really help this team down the stretch. 610 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: If if Khalier Joey has has to miss a month, 611 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: let's say you could plug in bud Dupree across Joey 612 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: or Khalil or Tully and then some of these signings 613 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: that that Hortiz has has made this this offseason. I 614 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: think JK. Dobbins is the biggest one kind of just 615 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: uh the upside, you know, for for a guy like that, 616 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to pay him a lot. 617 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: He's got a lot to prove, and if he proves it, 618 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: he's gonna get paid. But you're also gonna win, you know. 619 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: So I think the depth and you know, Money and 620 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: I have talked about all like the throughout the free 621 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: agency period. Okay, well they got this this guy and 622 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: this guy, but we still need to identify this position 623 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: group in this position group, and Money you said, hey, 624 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 1: be patient, right, free agency is all off, and then 625 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: right after the draft, what happens. You get DJ Shark, 626 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: you get Bud Dupree, and there's still a lot of 627 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: guys out there that I think could help this football team. 628 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: Jeff, oh completely, And I'm one hundred percent with what 629 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 3: what money said that I wouldn't be shocked at all 630 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 3: if there, you know, there's a couple more coming here, 631 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 3: and it'll you know, and it's going to be the same, 632 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 3: you know at the end of training camp there you know, 633 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 3: guys are gonna get released, and don't don't be shocked 634 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: if there's some moves there that It's kind of like 635 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 3: it reminds me a little bit of what you're seeing 636 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: in baseball now, where these you know, years ago in 637 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 3: baseball was a big deal in a teammate a roster move. Now, 638 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 3: teams make moves every day, and the Dodgers are the 639 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 3: kings of it. I mean they are. You know, they 640 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 3: will they famously will sign a guy if they think 641 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 3: he can be the fortieth best guy on the team, 642 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 3: if he can make the forty man roster, they'll go 643 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 3: get him, you know, and you're and you're it's a 644 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 3: guy You're sitting there thinking, well, who is this, Why, 645 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 3: why why did they do this? What's happening? Well, it's 646 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 3: a it's a master plan and you're seeing it with 647 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: the with what Georitis is doing the same thing where 648 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 3: you know, he's I don't know how many times I've 649 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: asked him and he's already told me. You know, it 650 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 3: never ends, like player acquisition doesn't end. It's it's constant. 651 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 3: It's a they are constantly looking for guys. And I 652 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 3: think the Leatherwood is a perfect example of that, where 653 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 3: there's no risk involved in bringing this guy in and 654 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 3: and maybe they'll find something. And you know, obviously he 655 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 3: was a first round pick, you know, not that long ago, 656 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 3: so there's something in there and and maybe and maybe 657 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 3: he becomes that extra, that extraligneman. And you know, Harbaugh said, 658 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 3: you know, during the draft process or somewhere around and there, 659 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 3: we were talking to him and and he said he 660 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 3: you know, he kind of jokingly but not you know, 661 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 3: in Harbaugh's way, I'd play five tackles if I could 662 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 3: five offensive tackles, That's what I want. So that is there. 663 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 3: Don't be surprised when they go get him, you know, 664 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 3: and they you know, that's when he said that, that 665 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 3: immediately signaled to a lot of us, Well, Trey Pippins 666 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 3: is going to be moving to guard probably because it's 667 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 3: like if you if they're gonna bring in Joel and 668 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: Trey's gonna play, He's gonna have to play guard. Right. 669 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 3: So when Harbas said that, I think to a lot 670 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 3: of us that was like, Okay, yeah, they're they're gonna 671 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 3: look at Trey at guard, you know, just because he 672 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 3: he values that size and that physicality and all that stuff. 673 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 3: And and like you know, Leatherwoods is just a perfect 674 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: example of, you know, the kind of guys that they're 675 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: they're gonna bring in here and who and if it works, great, 676 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 3: if it doesn't, it doesn't cost him. You know, this 677 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: isn't some like I said, there's no downside to bringing 678 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 3: a guy like that in. You can look at him 679 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 3: and if it's if it's not gonna work, they'll move 680 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 3: him out and they'll bring in somebody else. So I 681 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 3: do think like Money said, it's it's gonna be. This 682 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 3: isn't gonna end. That's not again, that's not just her worth. 683 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 3: He's saying that. He means it like, this is not 684 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 3: gonna end. It's gonna it's gonna be a constant thing. 685 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 3: And we're gonna see things up into training camp. We're 686 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 3: gonna see things in training camp. And then I am 687 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 3: one hundred percent convinced. You know, between the end of 688 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 3: training camp and this season starting, we probably will see 689 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 3: some more roster rush moves being made by this group. 690 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: And I think the thing is Chris and Jeff He's look, 691 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: they're not all going to hit, but one of them will, 692 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 2: maybe two of them. Well, you know, like like yesterday, 693 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,919 Speaker 2: and this is something we talked about. Chris hayden Hurst 694 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 2: put on a freaking show yesterday. I mean, he put 695 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 2: on a show. I'm not talking about just making you know, 696 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 2: casual checkdown receptions or there's okay, he's got the corner 697 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 2: on his outside hip and he's catching the ball and 698 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 2: the se and this dude is breaking off routes, in cuts, 699 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 2: diving for balls, leaping for balls, and I mean he 700 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 2: was And like Jeff said, in the case of Leatherwood, 701 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 2: it's a former first round pick. This is a guy 702 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 2: that was drafted ahead of Mark Andrews, you know when 703 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 2: when when Baltimore took those two tight ends. So it's 704 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 2: you know, will it be hayden Hurst, don't know, you know, 705 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 2: will it be JK. Dobbins, don't know, Will it be 706 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 2: Alex Leatherwood don't But chances are based on the evaluations 707 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: and what all of these people thought of these players 708 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 2: coming into the league based on where they were drafted 709 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 2: or where they likely would have been drafted they weren't 710 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 2: taken by the team that it didn't work, you know. 711 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 2: That's that's what they're doing. They are taking chances on 712 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 2: players that and my guess is either A they coached 713 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 2: already and they know their work ethic and they know 714 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 2: they can be valuable, or b they had high grades 715 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 2: on based on what their evaluation was with them. And 716 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: football is so circumstantial, and it is you are a 717 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 2: product of your environment. It is eleven chess pieces moving together, 718 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: and so much of that can determine your success or 719 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 2: failure that you're willing to take those swings. And it's 720 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: why first round picks continually get chance after chance after chance, 721 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 2: even if they've already proven that for whatever reason, it 722 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 2: was just too hard for them, it was too big 723 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 2: of a jump and they couldn't make it. But it's 724 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: because of that evaluation, like, no, we saw, we know 725 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 2: what's in there, let's see if we can get it out. 726 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 2: And I think it's obvious that that's what this team did, 727 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 2: that there are so many of those signings that they 728 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,479 Speaker 2: Christian Fulton high second round pick, Alex Leatherwood, first round pick, JK. 729 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: Dobbins high second round pick, monster rookie season, Hayden Hurst 730 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 2: first round pick. There's a lot of that, Bud Dupree 731 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 2: first round pick. You know, there's a lot of that 732 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 2: out there. And again, are they going to hit on 733 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 2: all of them? Probably not. Are they going to hit 734 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 2: on some of them? Probably? 735 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: Also, who was in a worse situation last year than 736 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst and DJ Shark with a rookie quarterback, with 737 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: a coach who has fired a few games into the season, 738 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: with an offensive line that couldn't block anybody. I mean, 739 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: they were in a lose, lose situation in Carolina, and 740 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they get thrust it into an 741 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: opportunity where you're gonna have a good offensive line, you 742 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: have a top five to top seven quarterback in the NFL 743 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: throwing you the football. And I think it's also like 744 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: Whne he said, it's it's a product of your environment. 745 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: You know, Joe Ortiz, he knows Hayden Hurst. You know, 746 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: he evaluated Hayden Nurst. They drafted him for a reason 747 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's a lot of guys who were 748 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: who are on this roster that Joe really liked coming 749 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: out of school, you know. JK. Dobbinson and Gus Edwards 750 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: are guys that he knows, you know. So it's a 751 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: combination of these ravens, Jeff, but also players that I 752 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: think strategically, Hey, they weren't either a putting good situations 753 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: last year. We think we can we can make them 754 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: or allow them to thrive in this environment or be 755 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: like guys we really liked coming out of school and 756 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: we think, you know, with with Jim Harbaugh coaching them, 757 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: they could be good players. 758 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, Hayden Hurst and Dobbins are 759 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 3: the two most interesting guys I think in in that 760 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 3: in this conversation we're having, because they both have done 761 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 3: things on the field that illustrate that they belong in 762 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 3: the NFL and they can be legit. 763 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 2: Starting, you know, potential Pro bowlers. 764 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, potentially you know, have Pro Bowl production if 765 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 3: they don't make the Pro Bowl, but that's what they 766 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 3: can do. Well. In case of Dobbins, he's had just 767 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 3: had a ton of injuries and significant injuries, not nagging things, 768 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 3: so he has to be able to stay healthy and 769 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 3: stay in the field. And if he can, I think 770 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 3: we're gonna see there's no reason not to think that 771 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 3: he can't be what he was as a rookie. You know, 772 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 3: the guy scored a lot of touchdowns. You know, he 773 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 3: and Edwards were, I mean what they gain, what fifteen 774 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 3: hundred yards together that season? Double digit touchdowns together. I mean, 775 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 3: I think that's exactly what the Chargers want in the 776 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,919 Speaker 3: case of Hayden Hurst. If this guy's gonna if he's 777 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 3: going to thrive in the NFL, this is the setting 778 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 3: right here, right now, because he has a quarterback. He's 779 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 3: in an offense that if they have a productive if 780 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 3: they can get production from the tight end, they're going 781 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 3: to go to the tight end, because that's what the 782 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 3: Ravens that have done right for Charger fans. One thing 783 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 3: to I think realize about this this offense, there's no 784 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 3: we're not going to see the you know, Austin Eckler 785 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 3: production from a running back getting past, you know, getting receptions. 786 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 3: They they don't throw a ton to the running backs. 787 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 3: You know, they look at look at Dobbins and Edwards, 788 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 3: look at their history, you know, look at their careers 789 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 3: in terms of receiving. Even during Dobbin's rookie year when 790 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 3: they were so productive, neither one of them were big 791 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,760 Speaker 3: you know, factors in the past game. Okay, so these 792 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 3: this you know, the days of the Chargers having a 793 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 3: running back with seventy receptions or whatever, that's not happening. 794 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 3: So those catches have to go somewhere. They're not going 795 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 3: to Keenan Allen, he's gone. They're not going to Mike Williams, 796 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 3: he's gone. Okay, So if they can get if Hayden 797 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 3: Hurst and Money is one hundred percent right, I've he 798 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 3: If you didn't mention it, I was going to mention 799 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 3: what we saw yesterday that was impressive. You know, I'm 800 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 3: not the smartest guy in the world, and I don't 801 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 3: always know what I'm watching on the football field, but 802 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 3: even I was like, wow, Hurst is doing some stuff 803 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 3: out there. So if he can do some of that 804 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 3: stuff and do We've seen those highlights and we know 805 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 3: he's done that stuff in the past. If he can 806 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 3: do that, you know, he has a potential that this 807 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 3: could be a really big season for him, and it 808 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 3: could you know, it could really restart his career. The 809 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 3: one thing we obviously have to watch with him is 810 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 3: he had that really super serious concussion last year. Very 811 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 3: scary situation, and let's hope, you know, it's just as 812 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 3: human beings that he can avoid any of that stuff 813 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 3: and it can actually stay on the field and fulfill 814 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 3: the potential that that made him a first round pick 815 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,479 Speaker 3: a few years ago. But you know, Chris, you said, 816 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 3: I think this is the setting for him to you know, 817 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 3: he has a he must be really fired up about 818 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 3: what what he sees around him, and he knows, you know, 819 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 3: the quarterback he's got, and he knows the potential that's 820 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 3: there and knows that, yeah, there isn't a receiver in 821 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 3: this team that's gonna have one hundred catches for you know, 822 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 3: twelve hundred yards. That's not happening right right now as 823 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 3: we're looking at this roster. That guy doesn't exist. So 824 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 3: those catches have to go somewhere. And a guy like 825 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 3: Hayden Hurst I think has a chance to really re 826 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 3: establish himself as I'm not going to say he's going 827 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 3: to be Mark Andrews, but you know, he could be 828 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 3: you know, he could be a guy that people are like, 829 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 3: oh yeah, I forgot about him he's still in the 830 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 3: league because he always had some he's had some issues 831 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 3: of late where he hasn't been able to fulfill that promise. 832 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 3: But he you know, I could see that guy making 833 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 3: a lot of highlights and scoring, you know, scoring some 834 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 3: touchdowns and making some big catches for this team if 835 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 3: he can stay in the field, stay healthy. And you know, 836 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 3: if he can there, they're going to lean into him 837 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 3: a ton. Yeah. 838 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 2: I think there's you know, look, there's there's one theme 839 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 2: to all of this, right and I think they're and 840 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 2: again we're biased. Well you're not, Jeff, but but Chris 841 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 2: and I are. You know, I think it's I think 842 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 2: they can win a lot of games this year. I 843 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 2: truly believe that there is one caveat though that you 844 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 2: have to insert, can they stay healthy? Every one of 845 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 2: these players that we're talking about, it's if they stay healthy, 846 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 2: if they stay healthy, And that's why they got him 847 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,760 Speaker 2: on these proven deals because of JK. Dobbins. JK. Dobbins 848 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 2: is an incredible back, explosive, powerful, can catch the ball 849 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 2: to the backfield, is good in pastoral. He is a 850 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 2: great back. Like potential top five back has not been 851 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 2: able to stay healthy. DJ Chark is a four to 852 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 2: three six foot three can beat pressman X receiver. Has 853 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 2: not been able to stay healthy. Hayden Hurst, You mentioned 854 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 2: the concussion, Like, that's Bud Dupree has had serious injury 855 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 2: concerns and he'd addressed that yesterday and the presser and 856 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 2: how he's tried to overcome the injuries that he's had 857 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 2: to deal with throughout the course of his entire career, 858 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 2: and how he hopes he figured something out last year 859 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 2: in Atlanta and why he was able to stay out 860 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 2: there and get that that sack production that he got 861 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 2: in that pressure production. So this is on, This is 862 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 2: going to be on Ben Herbert and his staff because 863 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 2: they have signed a whole bunch of incredibly talented players 864 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 2: that have not been able to stay healthy. Denzel Perriman 865 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 2: has not been able to stay healthy. You know, he's 866 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 2: his own worst enemy. He's so damn fierce and he's 867 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 2: such a thumper that he knocks himself out of games. 868 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 2: So like, that's what to me just out there watching it, 869 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, that's what this is going to come 870 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 2: down to. Ifat there's look, Lad McConkie was a I 871 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 2: think a high teens to low twenties draft pick. I 872 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 2: don't think there's any question that the routes that he runs, 873 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 2: the explosiveness that he has, the team that he played 874 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 2: on and still got all those targets and had that production, 875 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 2: he just couldn't stay on the field. So like that's 876 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 2: ultimately that that to me, is what will determine what 877 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 2: this season is. Like, I watched this roster, the way 878 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 2: it's put together, watching them out there, That's kind of 879 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 2: what I've decide. That's what that's the conclusion I'm at 880 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 2: right now. This a good team, This is a this 881 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,879 Speaker 2: is a solid roster. I am a little worried about 882 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 2: the secondary specifically, and that's Christian Fulton too. This is 883 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,399 Speaker 2: a good You can't even watch Christian Fulton film from 884 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 2: last year because it was hurt the whole season. Even 885 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 2: when he was out there, he was dealing with injuries. 886 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 2: So like, that's what this will come to. I think 887 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 2: they probably still need a little bit of help in 888 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 2: the secondary, but that's what it is. They signed a 889 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 2: bunch of guys that are really good that have not 890 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 2: been able to stay healthy, and if they can, should 891 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 2: be a pretty good team. 892 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 1: Yep. Well, let's let's end with this because Buddy you 893 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: mentioned it. Justin Herbert, I doll't will wear that gold 894 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:47,399 Speaker 1: number ten? Jeff? How important is this season for Justin 895 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,720 Speaker 1: Herbert given the fact that you've had a different offense 896 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: seemingly every year you've been in the NFL. Now another 897 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: coaching staff, another offensive coordinator, another new way of playing football. 898 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: No Keenan Allen, no Mike Williams. Everything is going to 899 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: be different for him, Yet all that pressure remains on 900 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:05,800 Speaker 1: his shoulders. 901 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be Uh. The thing that's really different 902 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 3: for Herbert is there They're not going to ask him 903 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 3: to throw for three hundred and fifty yards every game. 904 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 3: They don't need him to do that. They don't want 905 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 3: him doing that. That's not how they're built, that's not 906 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 3: how they want to play. And what they're gonna want 907 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 3: from him is efficiency. They're not gonna they don't. They're 908 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 3: not gonna want weekend week out, big time numbers. And 909 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 3: I don't think if if if that's happening, then it's 910 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 3: not going the way Harbaugh designed it. And because they 911 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 3: they want to run the ball, they want to they 912 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 3: want a quarterback who can be real efficient, take care 913 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,919 Speaker 3: of the ball and then make them, you know, make 914 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,440 Speaker 3: the plays when they need to be made, when the 915 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, when they need that one throw, 916 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 3: when they need that one convert third down with your legs. 917 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 3: That's where that's where they're gonna that's when they're gonna 918 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 3: look to justin Herbert to to save you know, save 919 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,799 Speaker 3: the day, not from the first quarter, not from the 920 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 3: you know, the opening kickoff, and it's you know, take 921 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's on Herbert. So I think, what 922 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 3: what they're doing, Chris, They're you know, they're trying to 923 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 3: build this thing so that the pressure is not on Herbert, 924 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 3: so he does not feel like he goes in he's 925 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 3: going into the game and and he feels like he 926 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 3: has to either he can't take a chance because he 927 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 3: can't turn it over, or he has to take all 928 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 3: the chances because if he doesn't do it, nobody's going 929 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 3: to do it. So they're they're they've gone away from that. 930 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 3: They're trying to do the exact opposite of that. So 931 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 3: it's the it's that thing where they're, you know, they're 932 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 3: they're hoping if they ask him to do less, that 933 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,359 Speaker 3: they're gonna get more out of him, and that's what 934 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 3: Harblaugh has done. That that's the Harbaugh strategy, that's the 935 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 3: Harbaugh way of playing and winning football games. And he's 936 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 3: done it with some really good quarterbacks as well, know 937 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 3: in college and in the NFL. You know these guyss. 938 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 3: So it's not like he does doesn't need a quarterback. 939 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,720 Speaker 3: He just doesn't need the quarterback to be he doesn't 940 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,759 Speaker 3: need hero ball from his quarterback, and he's trying to 941 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 3: avoid getting into that situation. And I don't need to 942 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 3: explain what that looks like the Charger fans, because they've 943 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 3: been seeing that for going back before Herbert, going back 944 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 3: to Philip Rivers, they've been seeing that you know, hero 945 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 3: ball thing where they've they try, you know, they need 946 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 3: the quarterback to make all the plays. They're gonna need 947 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,320 Speaker 3: Herbert in the fourth quarter to make to make those plays. 948 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,239 Speaker 3: But to you know, getting to that fourth quarter, their plan, 949 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 3: their idea is, you know, it's not going to be 950 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 3: just Herbert. It's gonna be Herbert with everybody around him 951 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 3: and with this running game and all this pressure that 952 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 3: you know, he shouldn't feel that pressure you're talking about 953 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 3: Chris Now, it's gonna be there and everybody points to 954 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 3: the quarterback. If they know. What's everybody say about Herbert 955 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,200 Speaker 3: one of the ll he's never won a playoff game. Now, yeah, 956 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 3: you're right, he's been in one, you know, and they 957 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 3: they should have won that one, you know, but you 958 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 3: know they he didn't lose that game. They lost that 959 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,080 Speaker 3: game in part because they couldn't run the ball in 960 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,320 Speaker 3: the second half. Well we all know that, so that 961 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,839 Speaker 3: that shouldn't be If this works, that won't be the 962 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 3: case in this season. They're you know, they're gonna be 963 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,000 Speaker 3: able to put games away late. And then, like I said, 964 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 3: I think what's going to define the season for Herbert, 965 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 3: it's going to be those fourth quarter moments when he's 966 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 3: able to make a play. We've seen him do it, 967 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,719 Speaker 3: and if he could, if you know, if he can 968 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 3: make those plays and not have to do it every 969 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,920 Speaker 3: single week, and make those plays when they need them 970 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,320 Speaker 3: in key moments in the fourth quarter of these games, 971 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,239 Speaker 3: either with a pass or a conversion of third down, 972 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 3: whatever it is, a decision he makes. All that success 973 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,440 Speaker 3: the team has, it's all going to reflect on him. 974 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 3: And I think eventually, you know, all all the numbers, 975 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 3: all that stuff, those things will all take care of themselves, 976 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 3: and no one's going to care if he doesn't have 977 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 3: as many passing yards, as many touchdown passes. If this 978 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,319 Speaker 3: team's winning and getting into the playoffs and doing all 979 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 3: those things that hardballs teams have always done in the past, 980 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 3: if he can bring that here, you know, people are 981 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 3: going to look at Herbert as being a successful quarterback, 982 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 3: even if his personal stats aren't you know, aren't maxed 983 00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 3: out to what we know he can do. But that 984 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,879 Speaker 3: doesn't We've seen that and it hasn't led to any 985 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 3: real success on the field yet for him. So there 986 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 3: is that pressure on him. But I don't I think 987 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 3: the idea is, let's let's take that pressure off him. 988 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 3: So anything he feels he's just putting on himself and 989 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 3: his you know, his own high expectations he has for himself. 990 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you hit it on the head. Draft. 991 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 2: Not a lot to add there. The only thing I 992 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 2: would Chris is is just say like, they better be 993 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 2: able to run the ball. That's it. It's a team 994 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,319 Speaker 2: that has not been able to run the ball for 995 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 2: a decade, you know, since essentially you know Ladanian Thomas 996 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,839 Speaker 2: a little bit with Ryan Matthews there, but you know, 997 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 2: they've not been able to run the ball. And this 998 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 2: team has to run the ball. It's how they are built. 999 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 2: So they they're going to have to reverse a seven 1000 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,359 Speaker 2: eight year, nine year drought of not having been able 1001 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,719 Speaker 2: to run the ball. That will be the most important thing, 1002 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 2: and that's because that's what they're building that they want 1003 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 2: to be bullies. They've built up the offensive line. They're 1004 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,360 Speaker 2: training those guys to go forward more so than backwards. 1005 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 2: And it better work, you know, it better worked, because 1006 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,960 Speaker 2: that's what this thing's built on. Now. I'm sure if 1007 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 2: it doesn't, they'll be able to adjust, but that's not 1008 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 2: what they want to do. And then, you know, Jeff 1009 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,839 Speaker 2: put it perfectly, that's what they want to do. Run 1010 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,880 Speaker 2: the ball, run it effectively, play great defense, create turnovers, 1011 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,880 Speaker 2: choke the team out and if it's still tight in 1012 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, all right, Herbo your time, man. Better 1013 00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 2: to need it and not have it than to have it, 1014 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 2: you know, better to have it and not need it 1015 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 2: than to need it and not have it. And that's 1016 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,360 Speaker 2: always been his philosophy, and that's why JJ McCarthy got 1017 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,799 Speaker 2: drafted number eleven overall, because even though the numbers weren't there, 1018 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,799 Speaker 2: he was called upon to win games multiple times late 1019 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 2: in games. All right, here we go, training wheels are off. 1020 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,440 Speaker 2: It's it's all yours, JJ go get it. And he 1021 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,480 Speaker 2: went out and got it. So I think it's very 1022 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 2: similar to that. You know, same thing, you know throughout 1023 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,200 Speaker 2: his entire career, the way Harbar's always operated. You know, 1024 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,400 Speaker 2: Let's see if we can get up big in the 1025 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,600 Speaker 2: first half and then just bleed the clock in the 1026 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,359 Speaker 2: second half by running the ball. If it's tight, all right, 1027 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,120 Speaker 2: let's go. You're up. Second half is yours. Let's go. 1028 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,439 Speaker 2: Let's go win a game, but better be able to run. 1029 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1030 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,880 Speaker 1: Hey, jeff you mentioned you have to get a lift in, 1031 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,880 Speaker 1: but you were on the fence. Did this podcast motivate 1032 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 1: you to get that that workout in. 1033 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,920 Speaker 3: All I had to see was money shirt. Money shirt 1034 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,440 Speaker 3: got me going, I'm ready to go. That's my model 1035 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:41,919 Speaker 3: all the way. 1036 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,400 Speaker 2: There we go music Guitar shop in Nebraska out Hank's 1037 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 2: Guitar Center and Falls City, Nebraska has exactly right, exactly right, 1038 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,720 Speaker 2: Jeffy motivate everybody today. 1039 00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,879 Speaker 1: We should get should get Hanks to sponsor us this season? 1040 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,000 Speaker 2: Why hey, why not? Man? Why not? I'm gonna flip 1041 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,920 Speaker 2: me a less Paul or a scheckter or a ya 1042 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,840 Speaker 2: sweet Steve i Ibanez with a handle in it. 1043 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: Let's go trade. We'll do a little barter with eggs. 1044 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,360 Speaker 1: Oh Jeff, appreciate your time, man as always good to 1045 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,960 Speaker 1: catch up with you. Money. I'll see you next week 1046 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,560 Speaker 1: as we continue OTAs and MIDI camp coming up here 1047 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, and then we take a 1048 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: little summer break and back out of for training camp. 1049 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 1: So for Jeff and Money, I'm Chris. This has been 1050 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:33,120 Speaker 1: Chargers Week.