1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 2: I met a gentleman last week who I just thought, Wow, 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 2: this guy is going places. Is like one of these 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: people that you meet at a political event, and you 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: see the way he connects with people, the way he 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: talks to people, the way people interact when he's talking 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: to him, and I just thought, this is someone I 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: want all of you to meet. He is the Ohio 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: Secretary of State. Frank Lorose. Thank you so much for 10 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: being here. 11 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: Frank, Well, thank you, Tutor, and I really enjoyed seeing 12 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 3: how what much of a warm welcome you got from. 13 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 4: That crowd in Michigan. 14 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 3: We were there to talk about election integrity, but you 15 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 3: could tell that it was a group of people that 16 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 3: believe in you and your leadership as well. 17 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: We have a lot of excited people on the ground, 18 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: and I think everybody is kind of curious, like they 19 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: want to a peek behind the curtain in Michigan, what's 20 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: actually happening. You got to be here, You got to 21 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: see that there's definitely a lot of people who are excited, 22 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: but you also heard that there are a lot of 23 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: people who are nervous about the elections. It's been interesting 24 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: because the news just I think just last night we 25 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: saw some of our reporters out there, like, oh Republicans 26 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: are already saying that there's fishy stuff happening with the election. 27 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: But no, we have a situation with a Secretary of 28 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: State who has done some really strange things like forcing. 29 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: RFK to stay on the ballot. You came here and 30 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: addressed some of that. 31 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, in Ohio, we've removed him from the ballot. 32 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: It was very clear that our election law allows that 33 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: he requested to be removed within the timeframe, and so 34 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 3: we did that. But you know, I think that people 35 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: are excited about President Trump. I think they're excited about 36 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: an Ohio and named JD. Vance that' you know, Michiganers 37 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: can get excited about in Ohio and on certain occasions 38 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: when it's somebody like Vance. And of course you guys 39 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: having a really important US Senate race and really important 40 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: local races as well. So people need to know that 41 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: their elections are honest and they deserve to have that 42 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: confidence that when their vote is cast, that it's going 43 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: to be accurately counted. 44 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: Well, it is tough. 45 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I will tell you there are times when 46 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: you cannot allow someone for Ohio into your state, So 47 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: there is a little bit of a challenge here in Michigan. 48 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you a story really quick because you'll get 49 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: a kick out of this. 50 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: So what my husband's cousin is from Ohio, went to 51 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: Ohio State like a big Ohio fan, right, and there 52 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: anti Michigan. And we went to the Christmas party one 53 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: year and his daughter is the same age as my oldest. 54 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: And halfway through the party he looked at her and 55 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: he said, why aren't you playing with your cousins And 56 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: she said, Dad, they're from Michigan. And he was like, 57 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: that was when I realized maybe we'd taken it too far, 58 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: you know. 59 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: In front of the crowd there in Kalamazoo, I mentioned 60 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: that some people don't know what the secretary of State 61 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 3: does of their state, right and so if you were 62 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: to ask the person on the street, what does the 63 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 3: Ohio Secretary of State do, they may answer that I'm 64 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: in charge of negotiating peace with Michigan. 65 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 4: Even though even though we've. 66 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: Lost a series of battles here recently, the people of 67 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: Ohio are not ready to negotiate peace with Michigan. So 68 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: that wasn't the purpose of my mission in last week. 69 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 3: But you know, other than one Saturday every fall, I 70 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: think there are a lot of things that we can 71 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: agree on, like election integrity, like how important it is 72 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: that we put President Trump and Jade Vance in the 73 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: White House so that we can turn this country around 74 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 3: well and not be, as you heard me say, the 75 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 3: first generation in American history to leave this country weaker 76 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: than we found it. 77 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 4: And that's really what's at stake. 78 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: Here, right And you know, even when I was running, 79 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: that's what I kept hearing people say. They were like, 80 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: you know, America is the best experiment on the face 81 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: of this earth. Let's not be the first people to 82 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: show that it doesn't work. And I think that's what 83 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: we are fighting against. We're fighting against a group of 84 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: people that are saying, I'm not proud to be an 85 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: American and this country is not what I thought it 86 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: was because they've been manipulated by a media who is 87 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: saying you should not be proud to be American. And 88 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: that is the beginnings of the breakdown of society. When 89 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: you take away that that feeling of this is my country. 90 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: I want to defend my country, then well, what do 91 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: you have. I want to get back to elections really quick. 92 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask your take on North Carolina right now, 93 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: because obviously we have seen the devastation there, and our 94 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: prayers are out to the families there, and in Georgia 95 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: and in Florida and every place we've seen some of 96 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: this devastation, but North Carolina certainly is the worst. They're 97 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: telling us they won't have power for another month. We're 98 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: looking at an election in a month, a month and 99 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: a few days. What happens in a situation. 100 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 3: Like this well as crucial as it is to cast 101 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: your ballot, and I think we all know what a 102 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: difference that makes, of course, when people are in this circumstance. 103 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: First and foremost, it's human life and making sure that 104 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: people are okay, and then starting to get infrastructure running again. 105 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 3: So naturally, elections administration is probably not top of mind 106 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 3: for people that are in crisis in that moment, but 107 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 3: I can tell you for our elections officials, I'm sure 108 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: they are thinking about this. And part of the resiliency 109 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: of our election system is how local it is. It 110 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: is a process that's run truly at the local level 111 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 3: in most stays. I know that's the way it is 112 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 3: in Ohio and certainly in Michigan. It's very localized as well, 113 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 3: and I know that's that way in these affected states 114 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 3: North and South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. And so those 115 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: local election officials will be working on alternative plans. For example, 116 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: if a polling location was destroyed, they'll be working on 117 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: moving to a different one. And the good news too, 118 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 3: is that there are choices available with the elections and 119 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: how you vote, and so they may be offering more 120 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 3: opportunities for people to request that abstea ballot so that 121 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: they can mail that maybe they have to have that 122 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: ballot mailed to a different address. 123 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 4: Now. 124 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we've worked through crises during election season before. In 125 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: Ohio last year, we had a series of tornadoes that 126 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: came through right before our primary election. And what I 127 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: was really really inspired by is the dedication of the 128 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: people involved. We saw poll workers, election officials, people that 129 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 3: were signed up to help run election day that had 130 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: their home or their farm destroyed by the tornado and 131 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: they still showed up to work their shift as a 132 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: poll worker. 133 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 4: That's the kind of dedication that they have. 134 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: I mean, listen, we're thirty four days before election day 135 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 3: at this point, and I'm confident that the election officials 136 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: in each of those localities will work through this and 137 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: that people will find their opportunity to vote, whether it's 138 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 3: early voting, absentee voting, or in person on election day. 139 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So tell us about non citizens voting, because I 140 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: think that is also a major concern, especially I know 141 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: our state we have a debate over whether non citizens 142 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: have gotten driver's licenses. We know that they have in 143 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: other states. How do you prevent this from happening. 144 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, it's important to start with this 145 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: silliness that the left says this is not a problem, 146 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 3: you should not be concerned about this, or it doesn't happen. 147 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: I'll be the first to tell you it happens at 148 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 3: a smaller scale than some people recognize, but it does happen. 149 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 3: And in fact, this year alone, I have removed over 150 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 3: six hundred non citizens that found way to get onto 151 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: the voter roles. Of course, we work to make sure 152 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: that they don't get registered to vote in the first place, 153 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: but on some circumstances, when they do, we catch them 154 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: within a couple of weeks and then process them for 155 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: removal and refer them for prosecution. I've done that in 156 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 3: six hundred, over six hundred instances this year just in 157 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: the state of Ohio. Now, as it relates to driver's 158 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: licenses in Ohio, of course, non citizens can get driver's license, 159 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: and somebody that's here on a student visa or a 160 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: work visa, you don't expect them to walk for the 161 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: four years that they're here. They can get a driver's license, 162 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,559 Speaker 3: but it's very clearly a non citizen driver's license. 163 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 4: It even says non citizen. 164 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: Right on the driver's license, and of course in the 165 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: records that's maintained by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles, 166 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: it's a very black and white thing, and you either 167 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: have a citizen driver's license or a non citizen driver's license. 168 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: So in that sense, it's actually helpful once non citizens 169 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: get a state ID get a driver's license, because it 170 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: helps us to more quickly identify them and keep them 171 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: off the voter rolls. And of course we've trained our 172 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: election day poll workers to look at that driver's license 173 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: and see if it says citizen or non citizen as 174 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: part of that proof of identity. Now we do a 175 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: really good job of this in Ohio because we use 176 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,559 Speaker 3: all the different tools at our disposal from our state 177 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: BMV to this one single database that the federal government 178 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 3: lets us use called the SAVE Database Systematic Alien Verification 179 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: for Eligibility. The problem is, in classic federal government have it, 180 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: they make it hard for us to use this. You've 181 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: got to get this obscure number called an alien registration number, 182 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: and then they actually charge us. Yes, the US Department 183 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: of Homeland Security charges my office a dollar fifty every 184 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: time we search this database, and then we have to 185 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: mail a letter to the person telling them we've searched 186 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 3: the database to check their citizenship status. If we don't 187 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 3: use that, then DHS will take away if we don't 188 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: conduct that process, DHS. 189 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 4: Would take away our ability to use it. But here's 190 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 4: the thing. 191 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 3: I was in DC to testify in front of Congress 192 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago in favor of the SAVE Act. Now, 193 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: your Secretary of State was there opposing the SAVE Act, 194 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: which is pretty wild to me. But I was there 195 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 3: saying that the federal government should pass this SAVE Act 196 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: so that we can put citizenship verification on the front 197 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: end and give states access to the three other databases 198 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: that the federal government has that they're not letting us 199 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 3: use right now. In fact, I've asked Alejando Majorcis, the 200 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 3: Secretary of Homeland Security, multiple times to give me access 201 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: to the other three databases, and they have ghosted us 202 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 3: no response whatsoever. And as a result of it, there are, 203 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 3: you know, some records that we have trouble finding verification 204 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 3: for and it's absolutely mind boggling to me that the 205 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: federal government would withhold this data from states like ours. 206 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: We've heard a lot about the Save Act, but I 207 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: think we're hearing about it at a very high level. 208 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: You know, people know the word, but they're not exactly 209 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: sure what it is. And so when you say that 210 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 2: Jocelyn Benson came out to oppose it, I don't think 211 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: that we fully understand, well, what was she opposing. But 212 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: we hear all the time that we want immigration reform, 213 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: we want to make sure that we know where people are. 214 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: There is safety in knowing where people are, having them registered. 215 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: I say all the time when I'm out on the 216 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: campaign trail. You have to understand, we have a border 217 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: that is controlled by the cartels. They have a database, 218 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: they know where everybody is, and we don't so explain 219 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: a little bit about the SAVE Act so people know 220 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 2: exactly what it would do. 221 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: Well and Tutor, speaking of the crisis on the border, 222 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: I served down there as part of a counter narcotics 223 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 3: task force when I was on active duty in the Army. 224 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: It was the Clinton administration that sent me to the border, 225 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 3: by the way, so sending the US military to the 226 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: Mexican border is not a controversial idea, and it's something 227 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 3: that I think that the Trump administration will do to 228 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: get control of this situation. Yeah, so the SAVE Act 229 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: is really common sense legislation that would put the citizenship 230 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: check on the front end. Right now, we have to 231 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 3: rely on this sort of look back. If someone becomes registered, 232 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 3: we find them. A few weeks later, we catch them, 233 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: and we remove them. It's also bad for the non 234 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: citizens involved that may not have good englishfficiency. Some government 235 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 3: official shoves of form in front of them. They may 236 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: not know what they're filling out, and they actually might 237 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: be committing a felony when they do so, and that 238 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: could make them eligible for deportation. And again, we actually 239 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: refer these cases to county prosecutors because it's the law, 240 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 3: and we believe in making sure that the laws enforced 241 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: so front end citizenship verification before somebody can ever get 242 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 3: registered to vote, and then of course access to these databases. 243 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: Here's the argument that I hear against the Save Act, 244 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: and this is just the most brain dead thing that 245 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: I've ever heard, is that you'll hear the left saying 246 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: it's already illegal for nonsense to vote. Well, yes, I 247 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 3: recognize that it is already illegal. This is not about 248 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: making it illegal. This is about enforcing it. 249 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 4: Right. 250 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: I use the example in front of the Congressional Committee 251 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 3: that it's already illegal to hijack an airplane. That doesn't 252 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 3: mean that we just trust that people aren't going to 253 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: do it. No, we have the TSA for that purpose 254 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: and other federal agencies that make sure that we're safe 255 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 3: when we fly. Just because something's already illegal, again, it's 256 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: not worth the paper it's written on unless we have 257 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 3: enforcement mechanisms to make sure that if people do try 258 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: to do the wrong thing, they'll be caught. 259 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 260 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. 261 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: So you talked about something that I don't think that 262 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: we think about that often, and that is students that 263 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: come in here. People who are on a work visa, 264 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: those folks needing an ID in that state if they're 265 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: going to be there for a prolonged period of time. 266 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: And I think so often we look at issues like 267 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: this as black and white. If you're not a citizen, 268 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: you don't get an ID. But I find it interesting 269 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: that you have the ID and it's clearly stated that 270 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: this is a non citizen. 271 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: We know that they're here. 272 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: I guess to a certain extent, I feel good about 273 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: the fact that I know that this person's here. I 274 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: feel good about the fact that if I pull this ID, 275 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: I know that they are registered somehow, they're there in 276 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 2: some way allowed to be here. 277 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: I think there is a concern that a. 278 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: Lot of the illegals who are coming over will just 279 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: be handed IDs as they walk in the door, and 280 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: people will feel like, oh, I'm safe because this person 281 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 2: was given an ID as an okay to be here. 282 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 283 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: Of course, Ohio has a process for this. And again, 284 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: if you're here legally, and we want people to come 285 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: study at Ohio State University, for example, foreign students come 286 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 3: and work as part of one of our scientific or 287 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: manufacturing companies on a work visa, that's of course a 288 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,599 Speaker 3: part of the process, and we don't expect you to 289 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: not be able to buy a beer, for example, if 290 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 3: you're of age, and so you got to get an 291 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: ID for those kind of things. But yeah, Ohio makes 292 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: it clear that that is a non citizen ID card, 293 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 3: and again it actually helps us once somebody gets that, 294 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 3: because we know for a binary fact whether you're a 295 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: citizen or not once you establish that identity with the 296 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles. A lot of people don't 297 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: remember this too though, because the first time you got 298 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: your driver's license probably was when you were maybe sixteen 299 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 3: or seventeen and your mom and dad drove you down 300 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 3: there to get your first drivense But the first time 301 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 3: you establish identification with the government, usually your state, you've 302 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: got to present all kinds of documentation, including your birth certificate. 303 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 3: So way back when you were sixteen, when you got 304 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 3: your first driver's license, you proved your citizenship status by 305 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: presenting your birth certificate. And then again, of course, as 306 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: you have renewed those driver's licenses over the years, you've 307 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: not had to reprove that because citizenship is not something 308 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: likely to change. And so again it's a good thing 309 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: that Ohio has this thoughtful process and it helps us 310 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: prevent non citizens from voting. 311 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: So let me ask you about purging voter roles, because 312 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: we have in Michigan, you can send out abs andee 313 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: ballot applications to anyone. So I can send out absentee 314 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: ballot applications to people. Legally, they're the applications, they're not 315 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: the abs andee ballots. But we have a question as 316 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: to whether or not the voter roles have been cleaned up. 317 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: The RNC sued Jocelyn Bentson lost that lawsuit. She ultimately 318 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: was supposed to clean up the voter roles. We recently 319 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: have these letters come to us from Governor Gretchen Whitmer 320 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: with her official title, and they've clearly used. They're clearly 321 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: going from thirty five and youngers, because everybody I know, 322 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: whether they're a Democrat or a Republican household, their children 323 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: are getting these absentee ballot applications. But also, I mean 324 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: one of our state reps his mother received one in 325 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: her maiden name, of which she has not used in 326 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: forty three years, to her childhood home where she has 327 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: not lived for forty five years, you know. And so 328 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: We're like, well, how at what point do we say, 329 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: are a people able to get these old roles and 330 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: just still use them and try to see what they 331 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: can garner off of that? And then how important is 332 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: it to clean up the voter roles and how often 333 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: do you think it needs to be done? 334 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 4: It needs to be. 335 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 3: Done on a consistent and ongoing basis. In fact, in Ohio, 336 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 3: it's not like an annual thing or a monthly thing. 337 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 3: It's something that we're constantly doing. And there are gateways 338 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 3: along the way where we do certain annual checks in 339 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: certain monthly checks. But I've always said that voter list 340 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: maintenance is like hygiene. You brush your teeth every day, 341 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: and you maintain voter lists every day. And it's done 342 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: at the local level at each of our eighty eight 343 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: county boards of elections in Ohio. For example, when I 344 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: was in the state Senate, I passed a bill that 345 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: created a monthly check for deceased voters. 346 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 4: Shouldn't be controversial. 347 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: Every month, we get a list from the Ohio Department 348 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: of Health, these are the people that have died this month. 349 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: We then disaggregate it by county because the death records 350 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: created in the county where you die, so we have 351 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: to notify the county where you've previously lived, and then 352 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: they remove you from the voter rolls. Again, we do 353 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: that on a monthly basis, and leading up to election 354 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 3: day we're going to be doing it on a more 355 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: frequent basis to make sure that we catch people that 356 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: are deceased right before the election. We also do a 357 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: removal of those that have moved out of state. We 358 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: use the National Change of Addressed Database to do that, 359 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: following a process that's long been in law in Ohio. 360 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 4: We notify you and that kind of thing. But yes, 361 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 4: if you move out of state. 362 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: I don't know why you would ever want to move 363 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: out of Ohio, but if you moved out of state, 364 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: we were remove you from the voter rules as well. 365 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 3: We also remove those that have become inactive. This is 366 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 3: kind of a backstop, and this is one of the 367 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 3: ones that the Democrats constantly try to sue me over, 368 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 3: try to stop. We've been to the US Supreme Court 369 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: over this in Ohio. But if you become inactive for 370 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 3: six years, you don't vote, you don't sign a petition, 371 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: you take no action to show us you're still alive. 372 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 4: And here. 373 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 3: Then we send you a couple letters in the mail, 374 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: multiple letters. We say, do you still want to be 375 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 3: a registered voter? If so, return this form self addressed 376 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 3: all of that. If you don't, we remove you. I've 377 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 3: removed hundreds of thousands of not voters, but bad records 378 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 3: from the voter list. And again the Democrats say he's 379 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 3: purging voters, not actually purging voters. 380 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 4: I'm removing bad data. Right. 381 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 3: Again, the hyperbolizing that they do about this causes people 382 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: to be fearful. We're not removing voters in most cases, 383 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 3: we work hard not to. We're removing bad data, and 384 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: it's deceased, duplicate, and departed. I call it the three d's. 385 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 3: If you're one of those three in the voter roles, 386 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 3: then yeah, we want that bad data out. And again, 387 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 3: we've got eight million registered voters. Ohio has high levels 388 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: of participation. This doesn't suppress the vote. It actually encourages 389 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 3: more people to participate because they know it's honest. 390 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 4: We've had record breaking votes in twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, 391 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 4: twenty twenty two. 392 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 3: I think we're going to break another record this year 393 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. And Ohioans know they can trust it. 394 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: So you're you might be able to say that you 395 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: have some Democrats that aren't loving you right now because 396 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 2: they're suing you. 397 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: Also about dropboxes, So tell us a little. 398 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: Bit about that, because this is also something that I 399 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 2: think most of our audience members are wondering what happens 400 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: with the dropbox. One of the people in our office 401 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: has one right across from their apartment watches every day. 402 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: It is like, how do you make sure that the 403 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: dropbox is actually being handled correctly? I mean, I think 404 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 2: it is scary. You have people that don't have to 405 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: look at a person. They can just it's just like 406 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: a mailbox. You open it up and you can throw 407 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 2: as many ballots in there as you want. I mean, 408 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 2: you're not supposed to, but it feels like it's not 409 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: necessarily safe. 410 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 4: Well, you're right. 411 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 3: The Democrats sue me constantly, and unlike in some states, 412 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: I don't settle these lawsuits. I fight them because they 413 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 3: don't have good intentions, Like where were you six eight 414 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 3: months ago? You could have worked with our state legislature 415 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 3: if you had such a bright idea. Instead, you wait 416 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 3: until October September and then and then you assume me 417 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 3: this one about drop boxes. It's maybe as one of 418 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 3: those examples of no good deed goes unpunished, our state 419 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 3: legislature a few years ago decided to authorize, in a 420 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 3: very controlled way, drop boxes at each counting Board of Elections. 421 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 3: Not widespread in front of every library and school and 422 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 3: whatever else. Our state legislature said, there can be one 423 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: at each county Board of Elections. It's got to be 424 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 3: bolted to the ground under video twenty four to seven 425 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: video surveillance, multiple cameras in most cases, got to be 426 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 3: emptied every day by a bipartisan team of Democrats and Republicans. 427 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 3: So our state legislator said, here's a new convenience if 428 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 3: you don't want to mail in your ballot, and to 429 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: be clear, the best way to return your empty ballot 430 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 3: is to use the drop box at the end of 431 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 3: your driveway and just mail the thing in and then 432 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: track it. You can track your ballot in Ohio and 433 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 3: make sure it's been received. If you choose to take 434 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 3: it to the Board of Elections, you can use a 435 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: drop Boxhio. Well, of course that wasn't enough, and so 436 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 3: then what the Democrats did is sued me, and they 437 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 3: won in a well if there was a bigger lawsuit. 438 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 3: They won a narrow ruling that really blew open a 439 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 3: loophole that would allow ballot harvesting in Ohio. And so 440 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: I stepped in and said no, the law says, yeah, 441 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 3: you can use a drop box, but we can't allow 442 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: ballot harvesting. And so the rule I put in place 443 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: is that you can only return your own personal ballot 444 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 3: to the drop box, which means if you're walking up 445 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 3: to the drop box with a box full or with 446 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 3: a trunkload of things, then we know that you're that 447 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 3: you're violating that rule. So you can bring your own 448 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 3: personal ballot, But if you're returning somebody else's, which the 449 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 3: law allows you to do for a disabled Ohio and 450 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 3: if they've designated you to assist them, or if you're 451 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 3: doing it for a family member, you want to take 452 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: your your spouse and your and your kids' ballots they're 453 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 3: your adult kids, of course, then you can do that, 454 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: but you got to go to the elections officials and 455 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 3: actually present it to them and sign a little attestation 456 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: that says I'm not conducting ballot harvesting. This is for 457 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 3: a family member, this is for a disabled Ohio, and 458 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 3: then now they're suing me to try to weaken that 459 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 3: because I think it's clear they want to engage in 460 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 3: ballot harvesting and we're simply not going to allow that 461 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: in Ohio. 462 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: And this is one of. 463 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: Those why election laws should not be made at the courthouse. 464 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: They really should be made at the state House. The 465 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 3: Democrats and their allies from really all over the country, 466 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: a lot of deep pocketed special interests are suing me 467 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 3: to try to open the door to ballot harvesting in Ohio. 468 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 4: We won't have it. 469 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: I think that's the key here, and that's what most 470 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: people are saying this. If you're doing this, there's a 471 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: reason you're doing this, But just how do you know? 472 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: How do you know they're not doing it? 473 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? 474 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: Well, and again that's why there have to be safeguards 475 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: in place. Just trusting people to do the right thing 476 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 3: is not wise administration of elections. And so what we're 477 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 3: doing is, you know, we still have it says in 478 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: the law you have the ability to use drop boxes. 479 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 3: I've told the legislature they may want to look at 480 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 3: getting rid of them. I think that in many ways 481 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 3: they're more troubled than they're worth. But my job is 482 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 3: not to write the law, is to execute it. I'm 483 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 3: in an executive office. The law says you have the 484 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: ability to use these drop boxes. I just put in 485 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: place the rules to make sure that's not being abused. 486 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: And that means if people show up at an Ohio 487 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: Board of Elections with more than one ballot to put 488 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: in the drop box, they may not do so. They 489 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 3: have to put only what their own ballot in the 490 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: drop box. If you've got others and you want to, 491 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: you know, bring them to the Board of Elections, you 492 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 3: simply got to come to the elections officials and then 493 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 3: sign that little attestation. You know, perfect, but it's the 494 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: best we can do to prevent ballot harvesting. 495 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: Right if you take away drop boxes, they're going to 496 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: say you're suppressing the vote. But I will say that 497 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: somehow H and R block seems to get little offices 498 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 2: all over the place when it comes to tax time, 499 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 2: So maybe that's what has to happen. You have to 500 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 2: have it, you have to hand it to a person, 501 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: but there's someone there. I mean, I really I think 502 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: that elections are that important that we should be focused 503 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 2: on making sure someone is taking that and sees who's 504 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: giving it. 505 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a false choice that you have to choose 506 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 3: either convenience or security. If you're smart about it, you 507 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 3: can have that balance. We want convenience. All of us 508 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: have busy lives. We want to be able to conveniently 509 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 3: cast our ballot. And by the way, we believe in 510 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 3: the power of the people to choose their leaders. And 511 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 3: then so elections should be convenient. We like that, but 512 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 3: they also should be secure. You don't have to choose 513 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 3: one or the other. If you've got smart people administering 514 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 3: your elections, then you can have that balance of making 515 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 3: it both easy to vote and also hard to cheat. 516 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: October seventh is the one year mark of the worst 517 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: massacre of the Jewish people since the Holocaust. Twelve hundred 518 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: Israelis were murdered and more than two hundred and fifty 519 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: taken hostage. The war in Israel rages on today. Israel 520 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: and the Jewish people are facing attacks from enemies on 521 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: all sides seeking Israel's destruction. The International Fellowship of Christians 522 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: and Jews is on the ground providing food, shelter, and 523 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: safety to those in need during this crisis. And you 524 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: know what they know a life. Lot of this is 525 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: coming from Americans. I've heard it from people who are 526 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: on the ground. Since the war started. There are reservists 527 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: every day Israeli citizens. 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Called to 535 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: make your one hundred and fifty dollars donation right now 536 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: at eight eight eight four eight eight IFCJ that's eight 537 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: eight eight four eight eight four three two five, or 538 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: go online to support IFCJ dot org to give. That's 539 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: one word, support IFCJ dot org. So I will let 540 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: you go, but I want to have one more thing 541 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: for you. Because our Secretary of State, Jocelyn Benson, who 542 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: we mentioned was against the Save Act, she's refused to 543 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: take RFKF the ballot, which I just want to note 544 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: it is funny. She refused to put him on the 545 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: ballot initially, so he had to sue to get on, 546 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: and now she was refusing to let him off the ballot. 547 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: And this is totally partisan, and multiple judges have written 548 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: dissenting opinions saying that this is to alter the election. 549 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: She initially, I will just say, she initially tried to 550 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: do this and the Court of Appeals was like, no, 551 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: he can, it's fine, it's enough time, he can come off. Well, 552 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: then she had to get another legal opinion, which I 553 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 2: just think that feels fishy too. If you have your 554 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: legal opinion, why do you have to keep going? Why 555 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: do you have to keep going? 556 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: Who is she fighting? 557 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: Elections are underway the overseas and military ballots have already 558 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 3: gone out and early voting starting soon, so it's almost 559 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 3: too late to make any more changes. 560 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, now it is too late, but at the time 561 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: it was not too late. And so we look at 562 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: this and we say, okay, that was very fishy. We 563 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: know that she's been incredibly partisan. One of our former 564 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: secretary of state says she's the most partisan secretary of 565 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 2: State the State of Michigan has ever had. But she's 566 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 2: also on multiple occasions come out and said that she's coordinated, 567 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: and that's the exact word she uses. She's coordinating with 568 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: seven or eight other secretaries of state across the country 569 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 2: to ensure this election is being run appropriately. And when 570 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: we see what she's doing in Michigan, that makes us 571 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 2: a little nervous. So do you ever get the sense 572 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 2: that there are partisan secretaries of state in on the 573 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: Democrat side that are pushing these rules that you just 574 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 2: talked about because they actually do want to balot harvest? 575 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, listen. 576 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 3: We're all part of a national association called the National 577 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 3: Association of Secretaries of State, and sometimes we get together 578 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 3: in exchange idea and sometimes it's a completely bipartisan thing, 579 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 3: like we've had some good conversations over the years about 580 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 3: some things that we can learn from them on and 581 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: vice versa. 582 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 4: We also have partisan groups. 583 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 3: I'm the chairman of the Republican Secretaries of State Association nationally, 584 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 3: so I was chosen by my fellow Republican secretaries of state, 585 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 3: and when we get together, we tend to talk about 586 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 3: how do we make sure the election is secure, how 587 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: do we combat false information and power voters with accurate information. 588 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 3: I don't know what the Democrats get together and talk 589 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 3: about but I fear that it's sort of more of 590 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 3: the same. How do we continue kicking the can down 591 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 3: the road and not doing the list maintenance that we're 592 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 3: supposed to be doing. How do we convince people that 593 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: non citizen voting is not a. 594 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 4: Problem and we just don't need to take any action 595 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 4: on it. 596 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: But again, I don't know what they talk about when 597 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 3: they get together, but I know what we talk about 598 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 3: as the Republican secretaries. 599 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 2: Well, I once again I will just say I just 600 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: I think you're fantastic. You know all of this stuff 601 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: in and out. I saw the reaction of people to 602 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: you when you were here. I know you ran for 603 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 2: Senate and that is a seat that is ongoing with 604 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 2: Bernie Mourno right now. 605 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: But I just have this sense that you're not done. 606 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: And I know people ask you this all the time, 607 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 2: but what are you looking at in the future, Tittor. 608 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 3: I appreciate the question, and listen. I'm fully behind my 609 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,239 Speaker 3: friend Bernie ma Reno. He was a friend and then 610 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 3: became an opponent. You know how primaries work. But I'm 611 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 3: proud to be painting for him now in my off 612 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: duty time. Of course, he is the right man to 613 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 3: beat shared Brown help us take back the US Senate. 614 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 3: US obviously have an important Senate race in Michigan as well. 615 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: I think too many people in my line of work, 616 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 3: my current line of work anyway, are focused on the 617 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 3: next thing when they ought to be doing the current 618 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 3: things of like do the job you've got and then 619 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 3: opportunities present themselves. I will say this, I love public service. 620 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 3: My wife would be happy if I came home one 621 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 3: day and say, hey, I'm going to go into the 622 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 3: private sector and I'm going to have a pretty reliable 623 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 3: nine to five kind of job. 624 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 4: But she knows that my heart is in service. 625 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 3: That when we met, I was a green break getting 626 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 3: ready to go off to combat, and so she knew 627 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: what she was signing up for with me. 628 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 4: And so I'll look for chances to serve. 629 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 3: If I have the chance to run for the US 630 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 3: Senate again in the future, would certainly look at that, 631 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 3: or maybe even going to work for the Trump administration. 632 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 3: I wouldn't rule that out, because again, I think if 633 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 3: the president calls on you to serve, then you need 634 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 3: to do that. 635 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 4: And we know what his mission's going to be. 636 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: It's going to be to make America great again, and 637 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 3: that's something we all should be able to get behind. 638 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 3: So if he tapped me and said, hey, we need 639 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 3: you in DC, well then I'd look at putting my 640 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 3: hip waiters on and heading into the swamp a little 641 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 3: bit as well. 642 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: I love it well, honestly, I cannot tell you, and 643 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 2: I know my audience feels the same. We're so blessed 644 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 2: by the service that you've provided so far. So thank 645 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: you for what you've done, and thank you so much, 646 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 2: Secretary Frank Leros, thank you so much for coming on today. 647 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 4: Thanks Tudor, God bless absolutely, and. 648 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: Thank you all for joining the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Make 649 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: sure you catch this episode on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 650 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts, and. 651 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: Join us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have 652 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: a blessing.