Speaker 1: I'm and welcome back to the Carol Midwood Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: I heard from a lot of you about my last
Speaker 1: monologue on the pressure to have to be a type
Speaker 1: of person, maybe a girl boss or a trad wife.
Speaker 1: When I said that most people really are somewhere in between.
Speaker 1: Most agreed with me that living your life in this
Speaker 1: box it's impossible, and really, no one's life is like that.
Speaker 1: No one's life looks like it does on Instagram. But
Speaker 1: I'll read you the one listener email who's somewhat disagreed
Speaker 1: with me, Carol. I enjoyed the segment, but I don't
Speaker 1: think you're exactly right. Men get put into a so
Speaker 1: called box all the time. We know we have to
Speaker 1: be providers, caretakers, upstanding members of society. We don't get
Speaker 1: to try on a lot of different personalities before choosing one.
Speaker 1: What would your advice be to a man who felt
Speaker 1: pigeonholed by this, Well, that's interesting because I've long agreed
Speaker 1: with that. I always said that women are so lucky.
Speaker 1: No one asks a man, hey, what do you plan
Speaker 1: to do after the baby comes? Women get options. It's true,
Speaker 1: but this note didn't make me think, what's the standard
Speaker 1: that we expect from women, There really isn't one. Not
Speaker 1: every woman wants to be a stay at home mom,
Speaker 1: but we just assume that men don't. Write can a
Speaker 1: man be happy staying home and raising his children? Of course,
Speaker 1: and more men make that choice today than ever before.
Speaker 1: But do we really think that would be a tipping
Speaker 1: point where more men will be pulled to that than
Speaker 1: women are unlikely? Right, I've written before, but it's long
Speaker 1: been a cliche that women get offended when they are
Speaker 1: asked how they managed to do it all. It's a
Speaker 1: question that men aren't asked because there's no expectation for
Speaker 1: men to be heavy hitters at work while also making
Speaker 1: cupcakes for their kids' school bake sale. It's only women
Speaker 1: who are presented with the idea that they must be,
Speaker 1: you know, at the top of their game at work
Speaker 1: and at home to have it quote unquote all. I
Speaker 1: don't know which way is easier, and it might be
Speaker 1: that women are looking for this rigid confines of a brand,
Speaker 1: maybe a path, because it's easier that way. If you
Speaker 1: choose to be a girl boss, then you're devoting your
Speaker 1: attention to work and I hate the term girl boss
Speaker 1: by the way. I think it's condescending, but it's descriptive,
Speaker 1: and I get what it means. It means you're a
Speaker 1: go getter at work, or if you choose to be
Speaker 1: a tried wife, then you're you know, you have a
Speaker 1: sour dough starter and maybe some chickens in the backyard,
Speaker 1: and there's a path, and you know when you're on it,
Speaker 1: and it's easier because you're not trying to do both things.
Speaker 1: The last listener who wrote in she implied that she
Speaker 1: found it easier to pick that future path and then
Speaker 1: just move towards it without ever imagining that she could
Speaker 1: switch it up. And what I said to her was
Speaker 1: life is long, and you don't know where you'll end up.
Speaker 1: But I get that choices can be hard sometimes. But yes,
Speaker 1: this listener's right that men just get fewer of them.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Coming up next and interview with Deron Spielman.
Speaker 1: Join us after the break. Hi, and welcome back to
Speaker 1: the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is
Speaker 1: Doron Spielman. Deron is the author of the newly released
Speaker 1: book When the Stones Speak.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: Dorone's so nice to have you on.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, Carol, it's a real pleasure
Speaker 2: to see you.
Speaker 1: So I'm loving this book. I think it's so interesting
Speaker 1: saying it's a historical record of the City of David.
Speaker 1: How would you describe to somebody who doesn't know what
Speaker 1: the City of David is. What it is.
Speaker 2: It's really something that is Indiana Jones. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: the actual Indiana Jones that we grew up with and
Speaker 2: we loved. I mean, this is a story where Queen
Speaker 2: Victoria wants to bring the Ark of the Covenant back
Speaker 2: to England. She sends this navy captain to going to
Speaker 2: the Old City of Jerusalem. He wanders down at hillside
Speaker 2: outside the old city walls, and he sees the spring
Speaker 2: of water, and he goes into this spring of water
Speaker 2: that goes into the belly of a mountain, and there
Speaker 2: he uncovers an actual underground city. And the City of
Speaker 2: David is the actual site of Jerusalem from the Bible,
Speaker 2: sitting beneath the ground, pristinely protected because it's not inside
Speaker 2: the old city walls. And in one word, it really
Speaker 2: is Disney World, but it's true. It's the glacier dreams
Speaker 2: come true. It's actually the city of the Bible.
Speaker 1: So who did you write this book for? Because it
Speaker 1: has the historical component, of course, but it's such a
Speaker 1: perfect moment for this kind of book. Did you have
Speaker 1: that in mind at all? I know you did hundreds
Speaker 1: of interviews for the book. Did you think at all
Speaker 1: that you were going to be releasing it at this
Speaker 1: kind of moment in our history.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Carol, I wrote the book twice. I
Speaker 2: don't know how many books have been written twice. The
Speaker 2: first time I wrote the book was in early twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three about the amazing archaeological discoveries and how unfortunately
Speaker 2: terror groups and people have been pushing a false narrative
Speaker 2: that the Jews are cloning lists tried to cover up
Speaker 2: the excavations. So that was the initial motive to bring
Speaker 2: the truth to light. However, I have to tell you
Speaker 2: on October eighth, I was standing in southern Israel in
Speaker 2: my military uniform in the morning, at nine in the
Speaker 2: morning on the eighth, in a highway of abandoned cars
Speaker 2: by myself with two other soldiers. The cars were smoking
Speaker 2: and it looked like a tidal wave had washed in
Speaker 2: and washed out and taken the bodies with it. And
Speaker 2: at that moment, I looked around me and I said,
Speaker 2: my god, my book that was talking about historical denihalism, right,
Speaker 2: this is where that leads. And after one hundred days
Speaker 2: of the war, I got a bit of a respite,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about a healthy life and how one
Speaker 2: recovers from that. I'm still figuring it out. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: looked back at my book and I said, wait, you
Speaker 2: know this is different now. I'm different now. And I
Speaker 2: wrote it again a second time. Wow, to be appropriate
Speaker 2: for now, for those kids who are on campus, for
Speaker 2: the parents, for Jews everywhere and Israel supporters everywhere that
Speaker 2: feel like the very essence of what we stand for
Speaker 2: is under attack.
Speaker 1: So what changed in when the Stone speak? What changed
Speaker 1: in the book?
Speaker 2: You know, originally it was I don't want to say
Speaker 2: it was more academic and intellectual, but there was to
Speaker 2: some degree. Okay, they're saying, we haven't been here. Here's
Speaker 2: the proof that we're not colonialists, that this is actually
Speaker 2: our land. What changed in October seventh is that this
Speaker 2: is actually a battlefront. This is not an academic argument.
Speaker 2: This is an argument that we should have known based
Speaker 2: on the Hall cost that if someone comes to erase
Speaker 2: your history. The next step, Carol is going to be
Speaker 2: and whoever it is, but especially the Jews, they're coming
Speaker 2: to erase you. And as I stood there, I realized, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is actually a front in the ward. It's the
Speaker 2: front that we've ignored. You know we often talk about
Speaker 2: in this military, you know that we missed the intelligence.
Speaker 2: It's not only the intelligence that we missed. We ignored
Speaker 2: decades of the erasure of the Jewish connection to the
Speaker 2: land of Israel. And that's what those kids in Gaza
Speaker 2: grew up believing, and that's why they became terrorists and
Speaker 2: invaded Israel's borders.
Speaker 1: Do people who deny that Jews are indigenous to the
Speaker 1: country of Israel? Are they even reachable?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 1: Can mind still be changed?
Speaker 2: You know, I've seen both. I've had people come to me,
Speaker 2: students with like a glossy kind of look in their
Speaker 2: eyes that you know, they it looks like they took
Speaker 2: either a drug or they've truly been brainwashed. And you
Speaker 2: can wave your right your hand in front of their
Speaker 2: face and there's no reaction. But I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2: I had the Duke Law Association come to me, and
Speaker 2: this was a few years ago. And I told them
Speaker 2: the story of how we have Arab workers that worked
Speaker 2: for us, and how it was Camas who threatened those
Speaker 2: workers to stop working on the excavations and the workers
Speaker 2: were working together with Jews and Christians on the excavations.
Speaker 2: And I said to them, I said, you know, you
Speaker 2: just met with one of these supposed human rights groups.
Speaker 2: Where were they? Because I've raised charity charity to give
Speaker 2: to these families now that don't have a job. And
Speaker 2: you know, at the end, a person came up to
Speaker 2: me and he said, you know, I was expecting something different.
Speaker 2: You're not the monster I thought you were. And you know,
Speaker 2: if one person says that, I'm hoping maybe there were
Speaker 2: two or three in the group of around fifteen. I
Speaker 2: think that there is a group of people who are
Speaker 2: out there that can be reached, But the most important
Speaker 2: group are that in between group. There are so many
Speaker 2: people that are under attack, whether they're on campus, or
Speaker 2: they turn on TV and they hear what the United
Speaker 2: Nations says, or you know, they see the marches and
Speaker 2: they they how can this be happening? If we really
Speaker 2: have a connection to the land, maybe we are colonialists, right,
Speaker 2: And that is the group that I hope will read
Speaker 2: this book and their grandparents will give it to them
Speaker 2: and their parents and they'll read it as well to realize, no,
Speaker 2: you know what, you're indigenous to the land of Israel,
Speaker 2: maybe more indigenous here than any other people, and you
Speaker 2: should be proud of this and be willing to defend it.
Speaker 1: Were there any surprises in writing when the Stones speak?
Speaker 2: You know what was surprising is the rapid firing against
Speaker 2: us of Israel's enemies. When I took a step back,
Speaker 2: girl and I looked at it out of the context
Speaker 2: of the city of David, I said, my God, like
Speaker 2: how it's not going into the to the ring against
Speaker 2: one fighter. You go against one fighter, which is the
Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood, and as soon as you're victorious, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden NGOs come and take you to court on
Speaker 2: fallacious legal charges. And just as you're about to win,
Speaker 2: they recruit the State Department, who doesn't even know what
Speaker 2: they're talking about, and they recruit a white house. And
Speaker 2: what really became clear to me as I wrote the
Speaker 2: book was, my God, this is a concerted campaign. And I,
Speaker 2: who had been living in it, was in survival mode
Speaker 2: for so long, just the fight to keep the excavations
Speaker 2: going with my close compadres who were doing this with me.
Speaker 2: That really, when I wrote the book, I saw that.
Speaker 2: And the other thing I saw as it took a
Speaker 2: step back were the heroes, the incredible heroes that stood
Speaker 2: up for us, whether they were members of the Israeli government.
Speaker 2: David Friedman from the.
Speaker 1: United States, wonderful guy.
Speaker 2: Wonderful person who changed the dial and declared the city
Speaker 2: of David a United States historical so we're the only
Speaker 2: one in Israel. Eleana roz Leitner also from Florida, And
Speaker 2: all of these heroes are donors. And ultimately speaking, I
Speaker 2: left writing the book feeling very good, because good ultimately,
Speaker 2: even when it was dark, like being underneath the ground
Speaker 2: and you come out of the ground and they were fighting,
Speaker 2: good ultimately wins.
Speaker 1: Are you optimistic? That sounds like a lot of optimism
Speaker 1: right now when things seem pretty dark for the Jews
Speaker 1: around the world.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll tell you something. I just sat around
Speaker 2: the dinner table with my daughter, my eldest daughter, Nashama,
Speaker 2: and she said, look, Abba, you know.
Speaker 1: Sama mean soul. For those who don't.
Speaker 2: Know, she does, and she's a big soul. And she
Speaker 2: said we were all sitting around with the kids, and
Speaker 2: there's always a fiery conversation. She said, abba listen the
Speaker 2: recruitment levels. More than one hundred percent of all people
Speaker 2: called up, you know, showed up for duty. And you
Speaker 2: ask yourself. In Israel, first of all, you know, it's
Speaker 2: been a nineteen months of war. Our friends have died,
Speaker 2: literally you've died, and unfortunately their sons have done and
Speaker 2: we have children in the army, and we have ballistic missiles,
Speaker 2: and we make life as good as we can. And
Speaker 2: yet why are one hundred people one hundred percent showing up?
Speaker 2: Because there's a power, a strength that has been released,
Speaker 2: not only in Israel, but the battleground is not Israel.
Speaker 2: It's Israel, and overseas, it's the diaspora, whether you're in
Speaker 2: France or whether in New York. And therefore, I actually feel, Carol,
Speaker 2: that this kind of woke us up. And what you
Speaker 2: see is there's a choice now either I'm going to
Speaker 2: do I'm just going to simply disappear, or I'm going
Speaker 2: to decide to be a Jew or support Israel for nanjuws.
Speaker 2: And drawing that line in the sand was critical because
Speaker 2: people were slowly fading out. Now there's a line. Which
Speaker 2: side are you going to stand on? I'm very optimistic
Speaker 2: that most people, Jews, Christians and other people will take
Speaker 2: a stand with Israel and ultimately that will be vindicated.
Speaker 1: What do you want people to take away from one still.
Speaker 2: And to speak, there's a challenge against us. That is
Speaker 2: an entire narrative that has been constructed, goes back more
Speaker 2: than one hundred years, goes to the founding of the
Speaker 2: Palestinian nationalist movement by Hajajaminal Husseini, who is aligned with
Speaker 2: Hitler himself in the very very famous picture It's taken
Speaker 2: root in the media. I faced the media, I was
Speaker 2: on sixty minutes. I've done all of these things. It's
Speaker 2: on university campuses, and one could have the sense of
Speaker 2: maybe giving up. However, we have to understand that if
Speaker 2: what they're saying is true, we have to leave. If
Speaker 2: actually what their claim is about us is true, we
Speaker 2: have no right to the land of Israel. It means
Speaker 2: Biblical values aren't true, Christian values aren't true, and the
Speaker 2: foundation of the United States isn't true. Meaning Israel is
Speaker 2: not just about Israel, it is about the foundation of
Speaker 2: the Western values. Unfortunately for them, ours history is actually true.
Speaker 2: And what I want this book to do is to
Speaker 2: tell people's this is the time where you need to
Speaker 2: take a stand and realize that this is what's at stake.
Speaker 2: It's not Israel. Just like with Iran, it's not just
Speaker 2: about Israel. It's about the West. What happens here has
Speaker 2: massive shock waves. It's your story wherever you are, and
Speaker 2: if you listen to the stones. This is why the
Speaker 2: book is called When the Stones Speak, because the archaeologist
Speaker 2: in the city of David, when there was arguing about
Speaker 2: the history of a site, was it King David? Was
Speaker 2: it one hundred years after King David? She would step
Speaker 2: back at Lot of Mazarre and she would say, you
Speaker 2: know what, let the stones speak, and same thing with
Speaker 2: what's happening now in the world. Let the stone speak.
Speaker 2: Let them tell you our story. We are indigenous, stand strong,
Speaker 2: and we have Western values and Judaism, and there's a
Speaker 2: positive future ahead of us. That's what I want people
Speaker 2: to get is really a sense of strong.
Speaker 1: What do people generally misunderstand about Israel?
Speaker 2: I think the most common thing that people misunderstand about
Speaker 2: Israel is they think that we're a bunch of depressed.
Speaker 2: You know, there is some depression, but that you know,
Speaker 2: we have mental health issues every single person, and there's
Speaker 2: plenty of them, but not for the reasons they're saying.
Speaker 2: Mostly because of the way is Radley's drive. And at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I.
Speaker 1: Was going to make a Jewish mom's joke, but I
Speaker 1: won't do that exactly.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a little neuroticism, aongongst the Jewish people
Speaker 2: that's kind of built in. I think it goes back
Speaker 2: to the passover cleaning issue, which just exacerbates it. However,
Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, people you know,
Speaker 2: they write to me like, how is life there? And
Speaker 2: the irony is you know, I tried going to Aroma today.
Speaker 2: Roma's the coffee shop and he's a best coffee right
Speaker 2: and I'm standing in line and there is such a
Speaker 2: long line.
Speaker 1: You just cut in front of each other and hope
Speaker 1: for the best.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I was born in America, so I'm
Speaker 2: still trying to bring a bit of that gentrification. But
Speaker 2: you know, you drive around the coffee shops, you drive
Speaker 2: around the restaurants, you can't even get in and life
Speaker 2: even with all the tragy and again this week, I
Speaker 2: already went to a memorial ceremony for a friend's son
Speaker 2: who was killed. And at the end, you know what
Speaker 2: we did, he said, everyone come over to his house,
Speaker 2: and there was like a party at his house for
Speaker 2: his son, because his son, he said, died for the
Speaker 2: Jewish people. I'm sorry to be tragic, but there's life.
Speaker 2: And all these young people were there just drinking and
Speaker 2: telling stories and having fun in and Israel is so
Speaker 2: full of life. The vibrancy of being here is so
Speaker 2: great that I think that's what's most misunderstood.
Speaker 1: What do you worry about?
Speaker 2: I worry about us not learning the lesson, Carol, That's
Speaker 2: really what I worry about. I worry about us slipping
Speaker 2: back again from October seventh. You know, we almost were
Speaker 2: plumbled in the in the in the Young Kipper War,
Speaker 2: and we had all these takeaways how you can never
Speaker 2: underestimate your enemy. You have to be super strong. And
Speaker 2: then we built a beautiful high tech country, and you know,
Speaker 2: and we forgot about our enemies, and we forgot about
Speaker 2: how strong we have to be in that there's a
Speaker 2: price that paid a lift here. It might be more taxes,
Speaker 2: it might be serving the army, it might be. You
Speaker 2: have to be on a stronger defense. And my biggest
Speaker 2: fear is that we're going to allow ourselves to slip
Speaker 2: back in to the realm of complacency. Because being Jewish
Speaker 2: and being in the land of Israel, if you read
Speaker 2: through the Bible, you go all the way back, there
Speaker 2: has never ever been a time of complacency ever, And
Speaker 2: that's my biggest fear. We have to stay alert, and
Speaker 2: I believe the way to do it is to constantly
Speaker 2: see our lives here as a continuation of a thousands
Speaker 2: and thousands of years journey, the people who died in
Speaker 2: the Holocaust, the people who died in the pug grums,
Speaker 2: going back to the Second Temple, the First Temple, the
Speaker 2: children who ran around this land right in their bare feet,
Speaker 2: and there's the sense that it's alive. And if it's alive,
Speaker 2: you can never go to sleep. Your job here is
Speaker 2: to be alive. It's a twenty four hour day experience.
Speaker 2: It's exhausting and exciting, as you know, and that's the cure.
Speaker 2: That's the solution, I think, is just this vibrancy to.
Speaker 1: Do israelis see what a remarkable thing the city of
Speaker 1: david Is Or are they just surrounded by history all
Speaker 1: the time anyway, and so you know what you write
Speaker 1: about in when the stones speak, that's their lives anyway.
Speaker 1: Or do they see that this is something really special
Speaker 1: and unique.
Speaker 2: It's a great question and your framing is absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 2: Israelis had become accustomed to knowing they were living in
Speaker 2: an older country. However, when they came to the city
Speaker 2: of David, it was like a miracle happened. It began
Speaker 2: with Israelis. You know, Israelis have spread all over the
Speaker 2: political spectrum, right, it's kind of a Jewish trait. There's
Speaker 2: like a perfect formula. When they come to the city
Speaker 2: of David, whether they're from a high tech company or
Speaker 2: they're in charge of missile defense or their family living
Speaker 2: on the periphery, they leave different, absolutely different, having felt like,
Speaker 2: and I hear this time and time again, that they
Speaker 2: went back in time and connected to something and when
Speaker 2: they re entered this world they realized, wait a second,
Speaker 2: I'm part of a story. And that is the power
Speaker 2: of the City of David. And it has kind of
Speaker 2: broken this old adage of Israelis that yeah, we live
Speaker 2: in an old country. No it's not enough to say
Speaker 2: you live in an old country. It's critical that you
Speaker 2: realize you are indigenous to this land. And that is
Speaker 2: an important word that we don't like to say. We
Speaker 2: kind of take it for granted. Everyone knows where it
Speaker 2: no no right when you go to the city of David.
Speaker 2: Are you going? Is it like going to the met
Speaker 2: or is it like going to a place that is
Speaker 2: your ancestral home? And that is the Fittish. The insight
Speaker 2: with Israelis today that you know if you pull I
Speaker 2: take this from many of our enemies. I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: say you pull any Palestinian off the street. I don't
Speaker 2: mean to be overly political, but they're all part of
Speaker 2: this narrative that they have constructed and been told is true.
Speaker 2: You have pull in Israeli off the street. They are
Speaker 2: a great guy or girl, but they're arguing. And therefore
Speaker 2: the power of the City of David for them, and
Speaker 2: my recommendations for them in the Hebrew at least, is
Speaker 2: you've got to really own that indigenous nature. We have
Speaker 2: to teach our children that they are indigenous and Israelis.
Speaker 2: It says on the l all planes be an ambassador.
Speaker 2: When they walk off that plane. You need to every
Speaker 2: single person this is my ancestral indigenous land, because that's
Speaker 2: what this spoils down to, and that's why this place
Speaker 2: is so important for Israelis.
Speaker 1: Did you always want to write about archaeology or history
Speaker 1: or is this kind of new for you?
Speaker 2: No, I wanted to write fiction. Actually, I really love
Speaker 2: fantasy and science fiction. Lord of the Rings and you know,
Speaker 2: I can reread the series every single year. When I
Speaker 2: came to Israel, I kind of felt like it was
Speaker 2: our own Lord of the Rings and maybe working underground,
Speaker 2: but I'll tell you the time that I really decided
Speaker 2: fictions going in the back burner after a number of
Speaker 2: failed attempts, and I'm going for this is. I had
Speaker 2: a sixteen minutes interview and during the interview I realized
Speaker 2: the manipulation that was taking place with Leslie Stall and
Speaker 2: she came. She was crying and everything else until the
Speaker 2: cameras turned on, of course, and then everything she'd been
Speaker 2: crying about didn't make it into the Beast. And I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, if I don't write the story, then
Speaker 2: it will never be told because this is the story
Speaker 2: they don't want you to know. And so now I've
Speaker 2: written the story that they don't want you to know.
Speaker 2: And the intrigue of writing this story is sounds like fiction,
Speaker 2: but it's real and it's an adventure. People ask me
Speaker 2: summarize it, I say, this is Indiana Jones meets Homeland.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's such an exciting adventure and it
Speaker 2: involves you know, intimidation as well, and many of the
Speaker 2: things that have taken place. But at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, it's real. And that's the miracle of this
Speaker 2: entire story. And so that it was clear after I
Speaker 2: owe it to Leslie Stall that once she finished, I said, Okay, Leslie,
Speaker 2: I'm going to write my own book.
Speaker 1: And I hope she hears this. I want her to
Speaker 1: know that she's responsible.
Speaker 2: I hope. So I should set her free copy.
Speaker 1: You really should sign it exactly. We're going to take
Speaker 1: a quick break and be right back on the Carol
Speaker 1: Marcowitch Show. What advice would you give your sixteen year
Speaker 1: old self doing this all over again?
Speaker 2: Well, at sixteen, I had been bit by the Israel
Speaker 2: bug and was not sure what to do with my life,
Speaker 2: and most pressure told me not to do it. And
Speaker 2: this is the advice I give. My brother called me
Speaker 2: my older brother who's no longer live, but he's called
Speaker 2: me and he said, you know what, stop living mom
Speaker 2: and Dad's dreams and go live your dream. And it
Speaker 2: was that final push that he gave me that set
Speaker 2: me on a course with an enormous amount of unknown,
Speaker 2: but it led me to where I am today. And
Speaker 2: my biggest piece of advice is you only live once.
Speaker 2: Follow your dreams. You'll figure it out along the way,
Speaker 2: and you really only have one life to do it.
Speaker 2: You don't want to wake up when you're ninety five
Speaker 2: years old. And I am a testament. I believe my
Speaker 2: life is proof, having come from nowhere in Michigan, the
Speaker 2: disconnected you, you didn't know much, followed my dream and God
Speaker 2: provides It was like you know one teacher, and you
Speaker 2: look around yourself people who have followed their dreams. They
Speaker 2: will all attest that once you leap, right, Carol, Like
Speaker 2: once you leap, someone catches you. And I think that's
Speaker 2: the most important thing to do.
Speaker 1: I love it God led you to Aroma and making
Speaker 1: them try to form a line in Israel. I mean
Speaker 1: you're really are doing God's work over there.
Speaker 2: He didn't split the line from me like the red seat,
Speaker 2: but he led me to the line right.
Speaker 1: Well, I've loved this conversation. Your book is so great
Speaker 1: when the Stones speak, I think that it's a real marvel.
Speaker 1: I want everybody to read it. I highly recommend it.
Speaker 1: Check out Doron's book leave us here with your best
Speaker 1: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 2: One of my kids said to me the other day,
Speaker 2: I was nervous about the book. To be honest with you,
Speaker 2: about the book release and what is all this mean.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be interviewed by Carol and all these
Speaker 2: other people, even though I've stood up in front of
Speaker 2: the army and been pretty much verbally shot at by
Speaker 2: every major news network. I was nervous. And my daughter Ariela,
Speaker 2: this one's Ariela. She said to me, don't forget what
Speaker 2: you're doing this for, you know, just just she literally
Speaker 2: caught me and said, ah, but like you know, your
Speaker 2: health is more important than this. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 2: that that's the key, like to step back and remember
Speaker 2: what are you doing this for? So I keep asking
Speaker 2: myself this question after Ariel said that to me, and
Speaker 2: ultimately I know for me, I'm doing this for the
Speaker 2: Jewish people, for God, for my family and for myself.
Speaker 2: And once you do that, kind of the pressure goes
Speaker 2: away because you know I'm surrendering, like I'm just doing
Speaker 2: what I can. And I think that's that for me.
Speaker 2: Is the tip is just continually trying to ask yourself
Speaker 2: what am I doing this for? Not just to do it,
Speaker 2: What am I doing it for?
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