1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm and welcome back to the Carol Midwood Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: I heard from a lot of you about my last 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: monologue on the pressure to have to be a type 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: of person, maybe a girl boss or a trad wife. 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: When I said that most people really are somewhere in between. 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Most agreed with me that living your life in this 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: box it's impossible, and really, no one's life is like that. 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: No one's life looks like it does on Instagram. But 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: I'll read you the one listener email who's somewhat disagreed 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: with me, Carol. I enjoyed the segment, but I don't 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: think you're exactly right. Men get put into a so 12 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: called box all the time. We know we have to 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: be providers, caretakers, upstanding members of society. We don't get 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: to try on a lot of different personalities before choosing one. 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: What would your advice be to a man who felt 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: pigeonholed by this, Well, that's interesting because I've long agreed 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: with that. I always said that women are so lucky. 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: No one asks a man, hey, what do you plan 19 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: to do after the baby comes? Women get options. It's true, 20 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: but this note didn't make me think, what's the standard 21 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: that we expect from women, There really isn't one. Not 22 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: every woman wants to be a stay at home mom, 23 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: but we just assume that men don't. Write can a 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: man be happy staying home and raising his children? Of course, 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: and more men make that choice today than ever before. 26 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: But do we really think that would be a tipping 27 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: point where more men will be pulled to that than 28 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: women are unlikely? Right, I've written before, but it's long 29 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: been a cliche that women get offended when they are 30 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: asked how they managed to do it all. It's a 31 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: question that men aren't asked because there's no expectation for 32 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: men to be heavy hitters at work while also making 33 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: cupcakes for their kids' school bake sale. It's only women 34 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: who are presented with the idea that they must be, 35 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, at the top of their game at work 36 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: and at home to have it quote unquote all. I 37 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: don't know which way is easier, and it might be 38 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: that women are looking for this rigid confines of a brand, 39 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: maybe a path, because it's easier that way. If you 40 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: choose to be a girl boss, then you're devoting your 41 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: attention to work and I hate the term girl boss 42 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: by the way. I think it's condescending, but it's descriptive, 43 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: and I get what it means. It means you're a 44 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: go getter at work, or if you choose to be 45 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: a tried wife, then you're you know, you have a 46 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: sour dough starter and maybe some chickens in the backyard, 47 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: and there's a path, and you know when you're on it, 48 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: and it's easier because you're not trying to do both things. 49 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: The last listener who wrote in she implied that she 50 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: found it easier to pick that future path and then 51 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: just move towards it without ever imagining that she could 52 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: switch it up. And what I said to her was 53 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: life is long, and you don't know where you'll end up. 54 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: But I get that choices can be hard sometimes. But yes, 55 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: this listener's right that men just get fewer of them. 56 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,119 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Coming up next and interview with Deron Spielman. 57 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: Join us after the break. Hi, and welcome back to 58 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is 59 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: Doron Spielman. Deron is the author of the newly released 60 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: book When the Stones Speak. 61 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: Hi. 62 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: Dorone's so nice to have you on. 63 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, Carol, it's a real pleasure 64 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: to see you. 65 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: So I'm loving this book. I think it's so interesting 66 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: saying it's a historical record of the City of David. 67 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: How would you describe to somebody who doesn't know what 68 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: the City of David is. What it is. 69 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: It's really something that is Indiana Jones. I mean, it's 70 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: the actual Indiana Jones that we grew up with and 71 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: we loved. I mean, this is a story where Queen 72 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: Victoria wants to bring the Ark of the Covenant back 73 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: to England. She sends this navy captain to going to 74 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: the Old City of Jerusalem. He wanders down at hillside 75 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: outside the old city walls, and he sees the spring 76 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 2: of water, and he goes into this spring of water 77 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 2: that goes into the belly of a mountain, and there 78 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: he uncovers an actual underground city. And the City of 79 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 2: David is the actual site of Jerusalem from the Bible, 80 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: sitting beneath the ground, pristinely protected because it's not inside 81 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: the old city walls. And in one word, it really 82 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: is Disney World, but it's true. It's the glacier dreams 83 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: come true. It's actually the city of the Bible. 84 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: So who did you write this book for? Because it 85 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: has the historical component, of course, but it's such a 86 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: perfect moment for this kind of book. Did you have 87 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: that in mind at all? I know you did hundreds 88 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: of interviews for the book. Did you think at all 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: that you were going to be releasing it at this 90 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: kind of moment in our history. 91 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Carol, I wrote the book twice. I 92 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 2: don't know how many books have been written twice. The 93 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 2: first time I wrote the book was in early twenty 94 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: twenty three about the amazing archaeological discoveries and how unfortunately 95 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: terror groups and people have been pushing a false narrative 96 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: that the Jews are cloning lists tried to cover up 97 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 2: the excavations. So that was the initial motive to bring 98 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 2: the truth to light. However, I have to tell you 99 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: on October eighth, I was standing in southern Israel in 100 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: my military uniform in the morning, at nine in the 101 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 2: morning on the eighth, in a highway of abandoned cars 102 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 2: by myself with two other soldiers. The cars were smoking 103 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: and it looked like a tidal wave had washed in 104 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: and washed out and taken the bodies with it. And 105 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: at that moment, I looked around me and I said, 106 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 2: my god, my book that was talking about historical denihalism, right, 107 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: this is where that leads. And after one hundred days 108 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: of the war, I got a bit of a respite, 109 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: and we'll talk about a healthy life and how one 110 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: recovers from that. I'm still figuring it out. Yeah. I 111 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 2: looked back at my book and I said, wait, you 112 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: know this is different now. I'm different now. And I 113 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: wrote it again a second time. Wow, to be appropriate 114 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: for now, for those kids who are on campus, for 115 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: the parents, for Jews everywhere and Israel supporters everywhere that 116 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: feel like the very essence of what we stand for 117 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: is under attack. 118 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: So what changed in when the Stone speak? What changed 119 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: in the book? 120 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: You know, originally it was I don't want to say 121 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: it was more academic and intellectual, but there was to 122 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: some degree. Okay, they're saying, we haven't been here. Here's 123 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 2: the proof that we're not colonialists, that this is actually 124 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: our land. What changed in October seventh is that this 125 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: is actually a battlefront. This is not an academic argument. 126 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: This is an argument that we should have known based 127 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: on the Hall cost that if someone comes to erase 128 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: your history. The next step, Carol is going to be 129 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: and whoever it is, but especially the Jews, they're coming 130 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: to erase you. And as I stood there, I realized, Okay, 131 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: this is actually a front in the ward. It's the 132 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: front that we've ignored. You know we often talk about 133 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: in this military, you know that we missed the intelligence. 134 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: It's not only the intelligence that we missed. We ignored 135 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: decades of the erasure of the Jewish connection to the 136 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: land of Israel. And that's what those kids in Gaza 137 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: grew up believing, and that's why they became terrorists and 138 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: invaded Israel's borders. 139 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: Do people who deny that Jews are indigenous to the 140 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: country of Israel? Are they even reachable? 141 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: It? 142 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: Can mind still be changed? 143 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: You know, I've seen both. I've had people come to me, 144 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: students with like a glossy kind of look in their 145 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: eyes that you know, they it looks like they took 146 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: either a drug or they've truly been brainwashed. And you 147 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: can wave your right your hand in front of their 148 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: face and there's no reaction. But I'll give you an example. 149 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: I had the Duke Law Association come to me, and 150 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: this was a few years ago. And I told them 151 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: the story of how we have Arab workers that worked 152 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: for us, and how it was Camas who threatened those 153 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: workers to stop working on the excavations and the workers 154 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 2: were working together with Jews and Christians on the excavations. 155 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: And I said to them, I said, you know, you 156 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: just met with one of these supposed human rights groups. 157 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: Where were they? Because I've raised charity charity to give 158 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: to these families now that don't have a job. And 159 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: you know, at the end, a person came up to 160 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: me and he said, you know, I was expecting something different. 161 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: You're not the monster I thought you were. And you know, 162 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: if one person says that, I'm hoping maybe there were 163 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: two or three in the group of around fifteen. I 164 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: think that there is a group of people who are 165 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 2: out there that can be reached, But the most important 166 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: group are that in between group. There are so many 167 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: people that are under attack, whether they're on campus, or 168 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 2: they turn on TV and they hear what the United 169 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: Nations says, or you know, they see the marches and 170 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: they they how can this be happening? If we really 171 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: have a connection to the land, maybe we are colonialists, right, 172 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: And that is the group that I hope will read 173 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: this book and their grandparents will give it to them 174 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: and their parents and they'll read it as well to realize, no, 175 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 2: you know what, you're indigenous to the land of Israel, 176 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: maybe more indigenous here than any other people, and you 177 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: should be proud of this and be willing to defend it. 178 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: Were there any surprises in writing when the Stones speak? 179 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: You know what was surprising is the rapid firing against 180 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: us of Israel's enemies. When I took a step back, 181 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: girl and I looked at it out of the context 182 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: of the city of David, I said, my God, like 183 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: how it's not going into the to the ring against 184 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 2: one fighter. You go against one fighter, which is the 185 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood, and as soon as you're victorious, all of 186 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: a sudden NGOs come and take you to court on 187 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: fallacious legal charges. And just as you're about to win, 188 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: they recruit the State Department, who doesn't even know what 189 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: they're talking about, and they recruit a white house. And 190 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: what really became clear to me as I wrote the 191 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: book was, my God, this is a concerted campaign. And I, 192 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: who had been living in it, was in survival mode 193 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: for so long, just the fight to keep the excavations 194 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: going with my close compadres who were doing this with me. 195 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: That really, when I wrote the book, I saw that. 196 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: And the other thing I saw as it took a 197 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: step back were the heroes, the incredible heroes that stood 198 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: up for us, whether they were members of the Israeli government. 199 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: David Friedman from the. 200 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: United States, wonderful guy. 201 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: Wonderful person who changed the dial and declared the city 202 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: of David a United States historical so we're the only 203 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: one in Israel. Eleana roz Leitner also from Florida, And 204 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: all of these heroes are donors. And ultimately speaking, I 205 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: left writing the book feeling very good, because good ultimately, 206 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: even when it was dark, like being underneath the ground 207 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: and you come out of the ground and they were fighting, 208 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: good ultimately wins. 209 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: Are you optimistic? That sounds like a lot of optimism 210 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: right now when things seem pretty dark for the Jews 211 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: around the world. 212 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: You know, I'll tell you something. I just sat around 213 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: the dinner table with my daughter, my eldest daughter, Nashama, 214 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: and she said, look, Abba, you know. 215 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: Sama mean soul. For those who don't. 216 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: Know, she does, and she's a big soul. And she 217 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: said we were all sitting around with the kids, and 218 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: there's always a fiery conversation. She said, abba listen the 219 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 2: recruitment levels. More than one hundred percent of all people 220 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: called up, you know, showed up for duty. And you 221 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 2: ask yourself. In Israel, first of all, you know, it's 222 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: been a nineteen months of war. Our friends have died, 223 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: literally you've died, and unfortunately their sons have done and 224 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: we have children in the army, and we have ballistic missiles, 225 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: and we make life as good as we can. And 226 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: yet why are one hundred people one hundred percent showing up? 227 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: Because there's a power, a strength that has been released, 228 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: not only in Israel, but the battleground is not Israel. 229 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: It's Israel, and overseas, it's the diaspora, whether you're in 230 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: France or whether in New York. And therefore, I actually feel, Carol, 231 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: that this kind of woke us up. And what you 232 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: see is there's a choice now either I'm going to 233 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: do I'm just going to simply disappear, or I'm going 234 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: to decide to be a Jew or support Israel for nanjuws. 235 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: And drawing that line in the sand was critical because 236 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: people were slowly fading out. Now there's a line. Which 237 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 2: side are you going to stand on? I'm very optimistic 238 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: that most people, Jews, Christians and other people will take 239 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: a stand with Israel and ultimately that will be vindicated. 240 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: What do you want people to take away from one still. 241 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: And to speak, there's a challenge against us. That is 242 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 2: an entire narrative that has been constructed, goes back more 243 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: than one hundred years, goes to the founding of the 244 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: Palestinian nationalist movement by Hajajaminal Husseini, who is aligned with 245 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 2: Hitler himself in the very very famous picture It's taken 246 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: root in the media. I faced the media, I was 247 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: on sixty minutes. I've done all of these things. It's 248 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: on university campuses, and one could have the sense of 249 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 2: maybe giving up. However, we have to understand that if 250 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: what they're saying is true, we have to leave. If 251 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: actually what their claim is about us is true, we 252 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: have no right to the land of Israel. It means 253 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: Biblical values aren't true, Christian values aren't true, and the 254 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: foundation of the United States isn't true. Meaning Israel is 255 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: not just about Israel, it is about the foundation of 256 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: the Western values. Unfortunately for them, ours history is actually true. 257 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: And what I want this book to do is to 258 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: tell people's this is the time where you need to 259 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: take a stand and realize that this is what's at stake. 260 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: It's not Israel. Just like with Iran, it's not just 261 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: about Israel. It's about the West. What happens here has 262 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 2: massive shock waves. It's your story wherever you are, and 263 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: if you listen to the stones. This is why the 264 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: book is called When the Stones Speak, because the archaeologist 265 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: in the city of David, when there was arguing about 266 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: the history of a site, was it King David? Was 267 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: it one hundred years after King David? She would step 268 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: back at Lot of Mazarre and she would say, you 269 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: know what, let the stones speak, and same thing with 270 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: what's happening now in the world. Let the stone speak. 271 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: Let them tell you our story. We are indigenous, stand strong, 272 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: and we have Western values and Judaism, and there's a 273 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: positive future ahead of us. That's what I want people 274 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: to get is really a sense of strong. 275 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: What do people generally misunderstand about Israel? 276 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: I think the most common thing that people misunderstand about 277 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: Israel is they think that we're a bunch of depressed. 278 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: You know, there is some depression, but that you know, 279 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: we have mental health issues every single person, and there's 280 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: plenty of them, but not for the reasons they're saying. 281 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: Mostly because of the way is Radley's drive. And at 282 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: the end of the day, I. 283 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: Was going to make a Jewish mom's joke, but I 284 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: won't do that exactly. 285 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: You know, there's a little neuroticism, aongongst the Jewish people 286 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: that's kind of built in. I think it goes back 287 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: to the passover cleaning issue, which just exacerbates it. However, 288 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, people you know, 289 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: they write to me like, how is life there? And 290 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: the irony is you know, I tried going to Aroma today. 291 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: Roma's the coffee shop and he's a best coffee right 292 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: and I'm standing in line and there is such a 293 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: long line. 294 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: You just cut in front of each other and hope 295 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: for the best. 296 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I was born in America, so I'm 297 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: still trying to bring a bit of that gentrification. But 298 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: you know, you drive around the coffee shops, you drive 299 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: around the restaurants, you can't even get in and life 300 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: even with all the tragy and again this week, I 301 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: already went to a memorial ceremony for a friend's son 302 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: who was killed. And at the end, you know what 303 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: we did, he said, everyone come over to his house, 304 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: and there was like a party at his house for 305 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: his son, because his son, he said, died for the 306 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: Jewish people. I'm sorry to be tragic, but there's life. 307 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: And all these young people were there just drinking and 308 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: telling stories and having fun in and Israel is so 309 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: full of life. The vibrancy of being here is so 310 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: great that I think that's what's most misunderstood. 311 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: What do you worry about? 312 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: I worry about us not learning the lesson, Carol, That's 313 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: really what I worry about. I worry about us slipping 314 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: back again from October seventh. You know, we almost were 315 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: plumbled in the in the in the Young Kipper War, 316 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: and we had all these takeaways how you can never 317 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 2: underestimate your enemy. You have to be super strong. And 318 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: then we built a beautiful high tech country, and you know, 319 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: and we forgot about our enemies, and we forgot about 320 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: how strong we have to be in that there's a 321 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: price that paid a lift here. It might be more taxes, 322 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: it might be serving the army, it might be. You 323 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: have to be on a stronger defense. And my biggest 324 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: fear is that we're going to allow ourselves to slip 325 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: back in to the realm of complacency. Because being Jewish 326 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: and being in the land of Israel, if you read 327 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: through the Bible, you go all the way back, there 328 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 2: has never ever been a time of complacency ever, And 329 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 2: that's my biggest fear. We have to stay alert, and 330 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: I believe the way to do it is to constantly 331 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 2: see our lives here as a continuation of a thousands 332 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: and thousands of years journey, the people who died in 333 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: the Holocaust, the people who died in the pug grums, 334 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 2: going back to the Second Temple, the First Temple, the 335 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: children who ran around this land right in their bare feet, 336 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: and there's the sense that it's alive. And if it's alive, 337 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: you can never go to sleep. Your job here is 338 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 2: to be alive. It's a twenty four hour day experience. 339 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: It's exhausting and exciting, as you know, and that's the cure. 340 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: That's the solution, I think, is just this vibrancy to. 341 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: Do israelis see what a remarkable thing the city of 342 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: david Is Or are they just surrounded by history all 343 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: the time anyway, and so you know what you write 344 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: about in when the stones speak, that's their lives anyway. 345 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: Or do they see that this is something really special 346 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: and unique. 347 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: It's a great question and your framing is absolutely brilliant. 348 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: Israelis had become accustomed to knowing they were living in 349 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: an older country. However, when they came to the city 350 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: of David, it was like a miracle happened. It began 351 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 2: with Israelis. You know, Israelis have spread all over the 352 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 2: political spectrum, right, it's kind of a Jewish trait. There's 353 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: like a perfect formula. When they come to the city 354 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: of David, whether they're from a high tech company or 355 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: they're in charge of missile defense or their family living 356 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: on the periphery, they leave different, absolutely different, having felt like, 357 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 2: and I hear this time and time again, that they 358 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 2: went back in time and connected to something and when 359 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: they re entered this world they realized, wait a second, 360 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 2: I'm part of a story. And that is the power 361 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 2: of the City of David. And it has kind of 362 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: broken this old adage of Israelis that yeah, we live 363 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 2: in an old country. No it's not enough to say 364 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 2: you live in an old country. It's critical that you 365 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 2: realize you are indigenous to this land. And that is 366 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 2: an important word that we don't like to say. We 367 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: kind of take it for granted. Everyone knows where it 368 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: no no right when you go to the city of David. 369 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: Are you going? Is it like going to the met 370 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: or is it like going to a place that is 371 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: your ancestral home? And that is the Fittish. The insight 372 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: with Israelis today that you know if you pull I 373 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: take this from many of our enemies. I'm sorry to 374 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: say you pull any Palestinian off the street. I don't 375 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: mean to be overly political, but they're all part of 376 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: this narrative that they have constructed and been told is true. 377 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 2: You have pull in Israeli off the street. They are 378 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: a great guy or girl, but they're arguing. And therefore 379 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 2: the power of the City of David for them, and 380 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 2: my recommendations for them in the Hebrew at least, is 381 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: you've got to really own that indigenous nature. We have 382 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: to teach our children that they are indigenous and Israelis. 383 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 2: It says on the l all planes be an ambassador. 384 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 2: When they walk off that plane. You need to every 385 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: single person this is my ancestral indigenous land, because that's 386 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 2: what this spoils down to, and that's why this place 387 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 2: is so important for Israelis. 388 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: Did you always want to write about archaeology or history 389 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: or is this kind of new for you? 390 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: No, I wanted to write fiction. Actually, I really love 391 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: fantasy and science fiction. Lord of the Rings and you know, 392 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: I can reread the series every single year. When I 393 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 2: came to Israel, I kind of felt like it was 394 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 2: our own Lord of the Rings and maybe working underground, 395 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: but I'll tell you the time that I really decided 396 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 2: fictions going in the back burner after a number of 397 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 2: failed attempts, and I'm going for this is. I had 398 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: a sixteen minutes interview and during the interview I realized 399 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: the manipulation that was taking place with Leslie Stall and 400 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: she came. She was crying and everything else until the 401 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: cameras turned on, of course, and then everything she'd been 402 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: crying about didn't make it into the Beast. And I said, 403 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: you know what, if I don't write the story, then 404 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: it will never be told because this is the story 405 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: they don't want you to know. And so now I've 406 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: written the story that they don't want you to know. 407 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 2: And the intrigue of writing this story is sounds like fiction, 408 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 2: but it's real and it's an adventure. People ask me 409 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 2: summarize it, I say, this is Indiana Jones meets Homeland. 410 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's such an exciting adventure and it 411 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 2: involves you know, intimidation as well, and many of the 412 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: things that have taken place. But at the end of 413 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: the day, it's real. And that's the miracle of this 414 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 2: entire story. And so that it was clear after I 415 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 2: owe it to Leslie Stall that once she finished, I said, Okay, Leslie, 416 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to write my own book. 417 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: And I hope she hears this. I want her to 418 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: know that she's responsible. 419 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: I hope. So I should set her free copy. 420 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: You really should sign it exactly. We're going to take 421 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: a quick break and be right back on the Carol 422 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: Marcowitch Show. What advice would you give your sixteen year 423 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: old self doing this all over again? 424 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 2: Well, at sixteen, I had been bit by the Israel 425 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: bug and was not sure what to do with my life, 426 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: and most pressure told me not to do it. And 427 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 2: this is the advice I give. My brother called me 428 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: my older brother who's no longer live, but he's called 429 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: me and he said, you know what, stop living mom 430 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: and Dad's dreams and go live your dream. And it 431 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: was that final push that he gave me that set 432 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: me on a course with an enormous amount of unknown, 433 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 2: but it led me to where I am today. And 434 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: my biggest piece of advice is you only live once. 435 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: Follow your dreams. You'll figure it out along the way, 436 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: and you really only have one life to do it. 437 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: You don't want to wake up when you're ninety five 438 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: years old. And I am a testament. I believe my 439 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 2: life is proof, having come from nowhere in Michigan, the 440 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: disconnected you, you didn't know much, followed my dream and God 441 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: provides It was like you know one teacher, and you 442 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: look around yourself people who have followed their dreams. They 443 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: will all attest that once you leap, right, Carol, Like 444 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 2: once you leap, someone catches you. And I think that's 445 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: the most important thing to do. 446 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: I love it God led you to Aroma and making 447 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: them try to form a line in Israel. I mean 448 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: you're really are doing God's work over there. 449 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 2: He didn't split the line from me like the red seat, 450 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: but he led me to the line right. 451 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: Well, I've loved this conversation. Your book is so great 452 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: when the Stones speak, I think that it's a real marvel. 453 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: I want everybody to read it. I highly recommend it. 454 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: Check out Doron's book leave us here with your best 455 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives. 456 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 2: One of my kids said to me the other day, 457 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: I was nervous about the book. To be honest with you, 458 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: about the book release and what is all this mean. 459 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to be interviewed by Carol and all these 460 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: other people, even though I've stood up in front of 461 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 2: the army and been pretty much verbally shot at by 462 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: every major news network. I was nervous. And my daughter Ariela, 463 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 2: this one's Ariela. She said to me, don't forget what 464 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: you're doing this for, you know, just just she literally 465 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: caught me and said, ah, but like you know, your 466 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 2: health is more important than this. Yeah, And I think 467 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 2: that that's the key, like to step back and remember 468 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 2: what are you doing this for? So I keep asking 469 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: myself this question after Ariel said that to me, and 470 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: ultimately I know for me, I'm doing this for the 471 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: Jewish people, for God, for my family and for myself. 472 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: And once you do that, kind of the pressure goes 473 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 2: away because you know I'm surrendering, like I'm just doing 474 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 2: what I can. And I think that's that for me. 475 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 2: Is the tip is just continually trying to ask yourself 476 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: what am I doing this for? Not just to do it, 477 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 2: What am I doing it for? 478 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: I love that he is Jeron Spielman get When the 479 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: Stones Speak anywhere you buy your books. Thank you so 480 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: much for coming on, Darwn. 481 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 2: Carol is an honor. 482 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks so much for joining us on the 483 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: Carol Mark which show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.