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Speaker 1: The Action Network Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm just about that Action boss.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of one walking out.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know much about him and I put his

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Speaker 2: tape in and I almost fell over. Forty one inch

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Speaker 2: vertical twenty nine on the bench press. That's a creative player.

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Speaker 2: On met four two no webs a new record holder.

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Speaker 1: I saw two of three scouts look at their stopwatch

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Speaker 1: and show other scouts asad, Hey did you get that?

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Speaker 2: Am I reading this right?

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Speaker 3: Where do you go?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to the Action Network Podcast. I

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Speaker 2: am your host, Evan Abrams, and today I am joined

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Speaker 2: by the one, the only He's just he's the man,

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Speaker 2: He's the West Coaster Raybond, Chris Raybond, NFL expert. What's up, man?

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Speaker 2: How you doing?

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Speaker 1: It's good, Evan, I don't know, I'm I'm good, but

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Speaker 1: now as good as Jalen Milroe right now?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah. So we're we're gonna get into that,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I think one of the discussion points

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Speaker 2: and maybe it's nothing, maybe it's something, but you know,

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Speaker 2: players getting invited to the draft and Shador not going

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Speaker 2: and this and that. It's a topic for later. But

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Speaker 2: like always, Ray bon I think we do have to

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Speaker 2: go one by one here at the top of the board,

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Speaker 2: just to make sure we cover all of our grounds.

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Speaker 2: The thing that is exciting is this close to the draft,

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Speaker 2: we're starting to get a little more options in the

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Speaker 2: betting market, and we're seeing picks five, six, seven, eight

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Speaker 2: now listed at a majority of books. So let's just

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Speaker 2: start off there. Let's go one by one here. So

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Speaker 2: obviously cam Ward at the top he is minus twenty thousand.

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Speaker 2: There's really been no change. It is interesting to note,

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Speaker 2: and going a little back in history here, So end

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Speaker 2: of February Ward was minus one forty. He was minus

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Speaker 2: twelve hundred by the end of March and minus two

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Speaker 2: thousand a few days later. And honestly, Abdul Carter has

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Speaker 2: been the second option there to go one almost the

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Speaker 2: entire time. So I'll toss it to you, probably for

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Speaker 2: maybe a one sentencere But are we good here, Like

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Speaker 2: there's no thought in putting any more money of ours

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Speaker 2: into the market here right at number one.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, you know, I think we were.

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Speaker 1: We were on cam Ward when he was priced reasonably

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Speaker 1: right now it's you know, I know Tennessee explored some

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Speaker 1: trades but I didn't see anything. I think they I

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Speaker 1: think they're said on taking a quarterback here.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I think cam Ward was the play.

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Speaker 1: I think now he's over priced and it seems like

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Speaker 1: everyone's fighting for second.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the only betting market thing we would

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Speaker 2: even consider if you started to see team to draft

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Speaker 2: about the Giants, and I'd even see some mockers, you know,

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Speaker 2: having that discussion as well as that is still a possibility.

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Speaker 2: But let's move on to number two here. So Travis Hunter,

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Speaker 2: no serious change odds on, but he's moved from minus

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Speaker 2: more confidence now. Also good to remember here that two

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Speaker 2: weeks ago Abdul Carter was minus two fifty to go

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Speaker 2: to Hunter was plus one eighty five and should plus

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Speaker 2: eight point fifty at that time. So Hunter right now

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Speaker 2: two forty. And now it's your door. It all the

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Speaker 2: way at fourteen to one. So lending it to you here,

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Speaker 2: I mean, my opinion before you start is I think

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Speaker 2: at two I think there's more volatility. I think one

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Speaker 2: find something. But what are your thoughts right now with

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Speaker 2: Hunter now minus three ten?

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, it makes the most sense, but

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Speaker 1: it it's like you said, it's not locked in stone

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Speaker 1: because I think, especially when you look at these teams

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Speaker 1: looked at this when back when you know, Chadora was

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is a time to bet Hunter.

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Speaker 1: You know, it seems like just based on everything we've

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's been pro days and things

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Speaker 2: I want Shadoor or Dark to make sense here, especially

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Speaker 2: at like fourteen or fifteen to one for Sanders and

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Speaker 2: now Dart up to ninety to one, as we've had

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Speaker 2: discussions about that in the past. But I just don't

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Speaker 2: think so like I'm seeing and listen unless the entire

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Speaker 2: because even as of today, I mean, he's being placed

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Speaker 2: So I just don't see how Cleveland. You know, I

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Speaker 2: and I think it's probably past. So I think Hunter

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Speaker 2: probably the right move, but Carter would be an okay

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Speaker 4: So, I mean, this pick is kind of like the

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Speaker 4: Trump with the terriffs, right, It's like it's like the

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Speaker 4: seriously though, it's like, you know, Trump's like, I don't

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Speaker 4: and then he says this, and then the market it's like,

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Speaker 4: I think, I think the reason we're seeing so much

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Speaker 3: Much to go on.

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Speaker 1: So like every little thing we get, it's like, as

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Speaker 1: So like I think Joe Shane said, you know, I

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Speaker 3: And then you know, all of.

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Speaker 1: Odds go down, and you know, I think Cleveland's kind

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Speaker 1: of say, saying the same thing, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: like no one's incentipized to say they want the guy

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Speaker 1: these picks, because uh, like I said, everyone is willing

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Speaker 1: So uh, it's a real interesting sit situation. But I

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Speaker 1: it does seem like the general consensus, if you're just

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Speaker 1: reading between the TV eaves, is that it is something

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Speaker 1: we kind of touched on. It's you know, we looked

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Speaker 1: camp Ward slide down the board too. So we'll see

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Speaker 1: if that holds up. But that's kind of what it's

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Speaker 2: It is a decent point. I think that's also why

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Speaker 2: it could show some value on Gent at certain positions,

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Speaker 2: because he seems to be the only skill player that

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Speaker 2: the draft. So we could talk about that in a second,

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Speaker 2: but let's move to number three here, Duel Carter. Odds

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Speaker 2: on he was minus one seventy, which moved to minus

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Speaker 2: just like Hunter, I think we're moving closer and closer

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Speaker 2: and I think once you start to solidify people into

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Speaker 2: think that's probably what's happening here. The interesting bet now

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Speaker 2: we're starting to see some exact order props. Now, if

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Speaker 2: something that's going to happen based off Shador's slide, there

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Speaker 2: is a prop right now on Ward one, Hunter two,

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Speaker 2: So it would pretty much be a bet on Campbell

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Speaker 2: or less, is there anything else to do at three?

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Speaker 2: Because I think it's probably just the same discussion we're

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Speaker 2: having with two. Right, it's believe one thing and the

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Speaker 2: other one probably happens when it comes to the Giants.

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Speaker 2: But I'll say this, the workout that they're having that

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Speaker 2: they're going to see Shador and they're trying and they're

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Speaker 2: trying to, you know, make sure that they're seeing what

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Speaker 2: you know, they want to see. And I think the

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Speaker 2: doing this. And again, when you're dealing with two quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: or three quarterbacks, it's probably none. But what are your

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Speaker 1: The Giants building is a that's a tough building. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think I think that the the Camel

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Speaker 1: at plus two ten is overpriced, just because we still

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Speaker 1: don't know, like we're still what eight nine days out

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Speaker 1: from the draft, and I still don't think that top

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Speaker 1: three is one hundred is like solidified to the point

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Speaker 1: where you're saying, Okay, I just want some value.

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Speaker 3: By by you know, adding in a four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I still don't. I still don't believe the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they maybe they don't know exactly what they're gonna do,

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Speaker 1: and and or maybe they do and they just aren't

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Speaker 1: trying to give it up. But I still don't think

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Speaker 1: that the Giants are kind of like a known entity

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Speaker 1: here at three and so I think if they really truly,

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Speaker 1: you know, feel like it's not worth taking a quarterback here,

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Speaker 1: I think they would trade. And if they trade, you know,

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Speaker 1: that could set off another trade where you know, who knows,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe again maybe something maybe the Browns are involved,

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Speaker 1: maybe they're not, but I think either way there could

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Speaker 1: be I wouldn't bet Carter to the Giants here. I

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Speaker 1: think a smarter bet, if you're trying to look at

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Speaker 1: Carter would be maybe Carter to another team that the

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Speaker 3: I do think Carter would be the most.

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Speaker 3: And I think the most realistic trades.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's Dallas or San Francisco or Miami, like,

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Speaker 2: they're just going to have to give up a lot

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Speaker 2: that would be my only hesitation in sprinkling on both

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Speaker 2: gent at three. I know it's not gonna happen. But

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Speaker 2: it just would be the funniest thing possible that they

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Speaker 3: I would, I would, I mean, I would hope not.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's like a one for two.

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't make sense, but it's the funniest outcome possible.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to number four here. So Will

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Speaker 2: hundred to go forth overall. And I'm honestly he's had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, from what I've been seeing, the

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Speaker 1: at number four. And I've heard both of the names,

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Speaker 3: Place of Campbell in this spot at a certain time.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we kind of were looking to fade

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Speaker 3: Now, where it.

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Speaker 1: Gets interesting is that the Patriots are another team could

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Speaker 3: So this is where it gets complicated.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think there's a lot of opportunity here

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I would fade this at this point.

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Speaker 2: I think the value, honestly, and you had briefly mentioned

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Speaker 2: I think it's the same reason why Campbell's moved to

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Speaker 2: That makes the most sense, but necessarily I don't know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, especially if you know you've got Carter three.

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Speaker 1: Graham at four kind of makes sense. You know, team

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Speaker 3: And then and.

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Speaker 1: Then you know, maybe maybe the uh Patriots move back,

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Speaker 1: maybe the Patriots trade out have traded out of that

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Speaker 1: picked completely at four too, So there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: I agree, all right, So let's keep rolling here. Though,

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Speaker 2: So books have actually placed pick six, pick seven and

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Speaker 2: do think there's some value on that four or five,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is probably a fade for me. I don't

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Speaker 3: Number one, I think there's you.

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Speaker 1: Know, like you said, just with the uncertainty or maybe

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Speaker 1: So if a team wants genty gens might end up

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Speaker 1: You know, we've just kind of been assuming that the

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Speaker 1: So you could just get the Raiders fading genty themselves

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Speaker 3: And I don't I don't think that's priced.

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Speaker 1: In well enough here, with you know, him being over

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Speaker 1: I think that I just think that's a poor bet

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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting that for Will Johnson in that

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Speaker 2: That is one of the highest prices I see. The

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Speaker 1: I think I think there's a very real chance that

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Speaker 3: And so you see, you.

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Speaker 1: we know they could use a running back. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time, it's like the Raider they did kind

437
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Speaker 1: of pull running backs out of their hat last year

438
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Speaker 1: and it worked out.

439
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Speaker 2: Okay.

440
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Speaker 1: I mean Amra Abdua played well for them, he was

441
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 1: like he's a journeyman. McCormick played well for them. He

442
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: was like a buried on the practice squad. So you know,

443
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Speaker 1: who knows if they feel like they need to spend

444
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Speaker 1: this pick on a running back. So yeah, I think

445
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Speaker 1: that will Will Johnson would make a lot of sense here.

446
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: And and the fact that you kind of you can

447
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Speaker 1: kind of cross reference it and find the best market

448
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Speaker 1: between you know, betting this pick or betting you know,

449
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Speaker 1: the team, or kind of even just you know, kind

450
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Speaker 1: of looking at okay, these odds off makes a lot

451
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Speaker 1: of sense here. So yeah, I would, I would, I

452
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: would look at a defensive player to the Raiders in

453
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Speaker 1: some in some form of fashion here because I think gents,

454
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Speaker 1: the time, the time to make that pick was, you know,

455
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Speaker 1: further further further back, like now it's he's over fifty

456
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Speaker 1: to fifty.

457
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Speaker 3: I I don't think that's realistic.

458
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Speaker 2: I mean, they could walk away with Will Johnson at

459
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Speaker 2: six and like Trevon Henderson at thirty seven and right

460
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 2: still kind of you know, cross off a bunch of

461
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Speaker 2: players on their list. So that is that's the way

462
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Speaker 2: I look at it. All Right, let's talk about seven

463
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Speaker 2: and eight and we can kind of group them together

464
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 2: a little bit. So at seven, as the Jets, Membu

465
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Speaker 2: is minus one twenty basically to go in that slot,

466
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Speaker 2: Tyler Warren is the second option at about three to one,

467
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Speaker 2: and then number eight is Carolina Walker has been kind

468
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Speaker 2: of the linebacker, has kind of been always placed to

469
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Speaker 2: Carolina in that slot, kind of being one of the

470
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Speaker 2: better defensive players available. He is plugged between plus one

471
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Speaker 2: ten and plus one four five. So I think Walker

472
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Speaker 2: is kind of just a bit of a shrug. Carolina

473
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: has a need. He's probably the best available. I don't

474
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 2: know how much it actually makes sense or fits overall

475
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: based off of them loving him more as well, just

476
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 2: you know, best player available. Second, there would be Mikel Williams,

477
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: who's between three and four to one. So in terms

478
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Speaker 2: of the Jets and the Panthers, any thoughts there.

479
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think the Panthers kind of played it smart.

480
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if he saw the comment, but they

481
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Speaker 1: kind of said, yeah, we're open to trade and trading

482
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Speaker 1: out of that eight pick. And I think, you know,

483
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Speaker 1: given what we've seen with the quarterback sliding a little bit,

484
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Speaker 1: I think that was a smart thing to say because

485
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: they're kind of saying, hey, if this, if this quarterback

486
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Speaker 1: slide thing is real, and like you guys at the

487
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Speaker 1: top of the draft really don't want him, Well, at

488
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Speaker 1: some point you're probably somebody's probably gonna want a quarterback,

489
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe by eight and you know, maybe we

490
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Speaker 1: get some we get some love here and get some

491
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Speaker 1: extra picks for trading down. So this this you know,

492
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: our guy Matt Mitchell was talking to us off air

493
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Speaker 1: about you know, what is the likelihood of a Penix

494
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Speaker 1: like trade happening and just throwing all this stuff off,

495
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Speaker 1: and I think it's very high because just of all

496
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Speaker 1: these teams willing to trade these picks early on and

497
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Speaker 1: there's there not being a ton of players, and everyone's

498
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: like we need him uh here, and we're just not

499
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Speaker 1: trading out no matter what. So uh, I think this

500
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Speaker 1: could be one of those spots where we see a

501
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: trade that is that it's hard to kind of it's

502
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Speaker 1: an unforeseen Penix like trade here, and it could be

503
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Speaker 1: for one of the quarterbacks or something like that. So

504
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't really bank on Carolina being in

505
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Speaker 1: that eighth spot.

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Speaker 2: Now.

507
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Speaker 1: The seventh spot is interesting for the same a little

508
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Speaker 1: bit of the same reasons.

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Speaker 3: I think.

510
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Speaker 1: I think the Jets also could you know, will keep

511
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Speaker 1: you live for for a quarterback here. I think Tyler

512
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Speaker 1: Warren gets, you know, mock to the Jets a lot,

513
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Speaker 1: just because it's one of those things that makes sense.

514
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Speaker 1: But you know, Membo being minus ones, I don't think

515
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Speaker 1: that makes too much sense either because just kind of

516
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Speaker 1: going off of what we said with Campbell, right, it's

517
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Speaker 1: we don't We're not one hundred, we're not even fifty

518
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Speaker 1: to fifty. Necessarily that Campbell is going to the Patriots

519
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: at four, you know, so you know Membo is he

520
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: could go, He could be the first tackle, but he

521
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: could also be he could also fall down the board. So, uh,

522
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Speaker 1: I think these two are where you want to go

523
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Speaker 1: long shots. I think these two are where or seven

524
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Speaker 1: and eight that is, are where you want to look

525
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Speaker 1: at what what would be the impact of a potential trade.

526
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Speaker 1: And I do think, you know, this is one where

527
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Speaker 1: you start considering maybe some long shot quarterback odds again

528
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Speaker 1: just because you could you know, the Panthers don't need

529
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, but they've openly said they're going to trade out,

530
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Speaker 1: I think in in kind of response to what we're seeing, uh,

531
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Speaker 1: in terms of these quarterback slides. So I wouldn't be

532
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Speaker 1: surprised if if for a quarterback or just something unforeseen

533
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Speaker 1: that we see just just pure chaos at these at

534
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Speaker 1: these spots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So looking at the odds here, so Shador to

536
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Speaker 2: go seventh, which would be the Jets taking him or

537
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Speaker 2: a trade, is about thirteen to one, and Shador to

538
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: go eighth which one hundred percent would be a trade

539
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: because that's Carolina is eighteen to one. So I think

540
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Speaker 2: just so, yeah, I think the Jets could draft him

541
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Speaker 2: if he's still there. I would love for Shador to

542
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: be on the board at least for number seven, so

543
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: they would have to say no to him, because you know,

544
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Speaker 2: Fields is definitely one hundred percent not the end, one

545
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: hundred percent the answer, right, Like he is an experiment

546
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Speaker 2: that they're bringing in. So having another quarterback in the

547
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Speaker 2: room with him, like Shador, I think would be intriguing.

548
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Speaker 2: So I do think him being on the board and

549
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Speaker 2: them saying no something I'd love to see. I think

550
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Speaker 2: the other angle I would take, other than maybe a

551
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Speaker 2: dart on that thirteen and eighteen to one with Shador

552
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Speaker 2: at seven and eight, is are we positive that if

553
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Speaker 2: the Jets did go offensive line that they prefer Membu

554
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 2: over like Banks, Like say Campbell's off the board, do

555
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: we think Kelvin Banks because he's done it, He's really

556
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: moved up a lot of boards here in terms of prospects.

557
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: He's like eleven to one to be in that seventh spot.

558
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: So those are the only two suggestions on long shots

559
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: as we get a little deeper in the draft that

560
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: I would consider at this point.

561
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you also got to consider and it's you know,

562
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to see through all the noise

563
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: when we're going one by one of these picks. But

564
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Speaker 1: there's also the possibility of Campbell Membo going like four

565
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: or five or something like that, right sure, and then

566
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: the Jets are still sitting there at seven and still

567
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: run an offensive lineman, and Banks goes, you know, like

568
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: the like there could be a runner offensive line because

569
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Speaker 1: like it seems like, okay, the quarterbacks sign the receivers,

570
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: slide offensive lineman. You know, there's still like Banks is

571
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: climbing Campbell's clime, kind of climbing a tiny bait, I

572
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: would say. And then and Membo had his time where

573
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: he was the favorite at number four, So you have

574
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Speaker 1: could be just an offensive line type of a draft

575
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: after those top three guys. So that's another thing to consider.

576
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: So I think there's just there's these different outcomes. I

577
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: think you want to kind of take positions on, you know,

578
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: what what you think is going to be the scene here.

579
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's a bad call at all,

580
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: especially if you know you're you're just really down on

581
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks, and you're thinking, okay, you know the fact

582
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: that she already you know that there's the invite and whatnot,

583
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: no invite that that he's going to drop. Uh, then

584
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: I think offensive line would make a lot of sense

585
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: to be kind of there be a run on that

586
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: on that position early.

587
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: I mean, we saw, we saw how how much.

588
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: It hurt a team like the Chiefs, you know, perennial

589
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl contender with Patrick Mahomes. Uh, the old line

590
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: wasn't right and you know, they couldn't they couldn't get

591
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: it done. And kind of contrast that a team like

592
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: the Eagles, who their offensive line one of the best

593
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: in the league and uh and and paid off for them.

594
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, sometimes there's these teams and

595
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: I think Banks rising and the two tackles, you know,

596
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: who both have been the favorite to go at four.

597
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: If you kind of look read between the lines there,

598
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: there could just be a running on tackles very early

599
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: in the draft. So yeah, I don't mind that Banks

600
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: play at all.

601
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: And Banks, like we've been talking about, one of the

602
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: largest risers. I mean, he was at twenty four and

603
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 2: a half for his draft position. Now I see fourteen

604
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: and a half and thirteen and a halfs in the market,

605
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: it might watch to the under.

606
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's still I think we I think I

607
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: asked you asked week if I think if Banks was

608
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: like a possibility, and we're like, you know, it's probably

609
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: still a long shot. But the way he's been climbing, Yeah,

610
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: I do think like that's that's the one position that

611
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: we've that we've seen like some positive as a as

612
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: a whole, you know, like you know, quarterbacks sliding, ride,

613
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: receivers kind of sliding. It's like, okay, well somebody has

614
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: to take those those spots if these teams wann't improve

615
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: their passing games, right, like, it's got this celthing's got

616
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: to give here. So yeah, I'm kind of warming up

617
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: to the fact that you could just see just for

618
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: kind of lack of a better maybe and maybe it's

619
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Speaker 1: just for lack of a better option.

620
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Speaker 3: I mean, when you're kind of in a in a.

621
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Speaker 1: In a little bit of a predicament there and you're

622
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: sitting at the top of the board, I think usually

623
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Speaker 1: offensive tap it was a pretty pretty pretty safe kind

624
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: of way to go. So maybe maybe that's just how

625
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: it happens. There's just not a lot of guys that

626
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Speaker 1: people like at the top of this board, and as

627
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: a result, there's a bunch of tackles start going about,

628
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Speaker 1: you know, earlier than them we expect.

629
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of wish I could propose my own

630
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: long shot, which would be like over two and a

631
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Speaker 2: half offensive lineman in the top ten or something.

632
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Speaker 1: I mean, you might see that, just watch it, because

633
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Speaker 1: again there's that's just I think that's a really sharp bet.

634
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: And there are some really sharp people, you know, making

635
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: these mocks and making these bets, and so the books

636
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: do get hammered, and which is why they don't they

637
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Speaker 1: don't always post a lot of these too early because imagine,

638
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean imagine if they they've already we've already seen

639
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: this ridiculous movement and you know, like the two, the three,

640
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Speaker 1: even the one, I mean for cam Moore to from

641
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: minus it was like what even money when we started

642
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: first talking about it, almost almost even money to minus

643
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Speaker 1: like for minus two twenty thousand. It is now like

644
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty crazy for the books to have had

645
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Speaker 1: that uh the whole time. So they just don't want

646
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Speaker 1: to get hammered. But you probably will see something to

647
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Speaker 1: that extent, maybe a day, two days, three days before

648
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Speaker 1: the drafts I would look out for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a ton of content, content and pods

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Speaker 2: coming out next week. I'm really hoping by like Monday, Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: you know, three four days is top ten. You know,

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Speaker 2: ten pick? And then a bunch of players listed, will

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Speaker 2: they be a first round pick? So over the last

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701
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702
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703
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Speaker 2: two to seventy to minus three fifty. I saw Dart

704
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Speaker 2: go from plus four ten to plus three forty and

705
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Speaker 2: Hampton went from ten to one to plus seven fifty,

706
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Speaker 2: all to go into the top ten. So obviously Dart

707
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: and Hampton would be long shots to get into that zone,

708
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: but they're getting hype. And Membo I think we've been

709
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Speaker 2: talking about, so he's getting longer, you know, at four,

710
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: at five, at seven. Those are all interesting options, but

711
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 2: anything in that top ten market, it's just another way

712
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: to really play some of these props that we've been

713
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Speaker 2: talking about to go one, two, three, uh, just different odds.

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Speaker 2: So is there anything here that interests you.

715
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's it's worth just pointing out again,

716
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: you know Membu getting you're going from two seventy to

717
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: three fifty. That's that again signals that hey, maybe there's

718
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Speaker 1: gonna be a run on ten ackles early in the

719
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Speaker 1: draft and then.

720
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Speaker 3: As far as you know, darts, I was getting a

721
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: little shorter.

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Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, that's that might be the way,

723
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Speaker 1: you know, if you want to attack, Okay, somebody like

724
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: Carolina at at eight trading out, Uh, you know, we

725
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: still don't know what the Saints are going to do

726
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: at nine. So if you think that there is going

727
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: to be a quarterback to jump up and kind of

728
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, a team to trade up and go for

729
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Speaker 1: a quarterback here, maybe you do it like that with

730
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Speaker 1: you know, a dart to top ten type of pick,

731
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: rather than trying to nail down the exact pick, because

732
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Speaker 1: then you could go in so many different directions. You're

733
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: gonna have so many bets and a lot you know,

734
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be drawing dead now. You

735
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: could get some some longer odds if you can pick

736
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: the exact spot. I think maybe eight is one where

737
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: you do throw a little hedge on, but that that's probably

738
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Speaker 1: the way you want to attack it. If you're just

739
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Speaker 1: a little less shore, which we aren't. We aren't sure

740
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Speaker 1: exactly where it would happen, but it could definitely happen

741
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: in the top ten in the Hampton he got a

742
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: little shorter. I mean, I think that's just noise with

743
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, the public in general. This is a This

744
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Speaker 1: is one of the tougher mock drafts. I think just

745
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Speaker 1: because of all the trade possibilities, because of you know,

746
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: the again, I think just the the swippage of quarterback

747
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: ride receivers not getting too much hype. So it's kind

748
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: of tough for like, if you're just a more of

749
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: a casual mocker or whatever. You're just looking at this

750
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: and maybe you start looking at a guy like a

751
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Speaker 1: running back and you think, if gent's gonna go early,

752
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe another one does too. So I don't

753
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Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen. I think more likely it would

754
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: be the opposite. I think there's just a lot of

755
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: good running backs in this class, and teams might fade

756
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Speaker 1: running back early and feel like, yeah, we could still

757
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: get a good one, and then you might see a

758
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Speaker 1: lot of trade action. Uh, you know, in the late

759
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: first round, early second uh, and just throughout the rest

760
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Speaker 1: of the draft of teams trying to get the running

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Speaker 1: back that they want or at least, you know, before

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Speaker 1: there's a run on the position. But as far as

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Speaker 1: as far as Hampton, I don't I get it. I

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Speaker 1: get why the thinking is, why why his odds would

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Speaker 1: get shorter, But that's when I would fade.

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Speaker 2: Got it? I think that's interesting. I mean, the way

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00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: I look at this is two things. So we had

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Speaker 2: talked about three offensive linemen top ten. The way to

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Speaker 2: probably play that would be to take Banks at plus

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Speaker 2: two hundred to be a top ten pick. Campbell is

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Speaker 2: minus six hundred, and even if Campbell slips, I think

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Speaker 2: Campbell would go like ten to the Bears potentially. So

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Speaker 2: I think if Banks goes top ten, all three will

774
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Speaker 2: go top ten. But at least just taking Banks top

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Speaker 2: ten to two to one would be a way to

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Speaker 2: potentially play that. And then the other one that I

777
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: think is a little bit out of left field, and

778
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: we've seen him mocked his range is probably one of

779
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Speaker 2: the more wider ones we've seen, which is McMillan, and

780
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Speaker 2: I think some people grade him behind Golden. Some people

781
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Speaker 2: grade him as like the best wide receiver prospects based

782
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Speaker 2: off of his skills, his attributes, his height, like, there's

783
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Speaker 2: all sorts of things people can either love or hate

784
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Speaker 2: him for. But I think there could be some team

785
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Speaker 2: who's enamored by him. So I think I see him

786
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Speaker 2: at plus four thirty. I've seen plus four fifty. I

787
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Speaker 2: think in that range to get plucked maybe at the

788
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Speaker 2: ten slot if the Bears trade out some of that.

789
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure the Bears need another wide receiver, but

790
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Speaker 2: something like that kind of crosses my mind, as like,

791
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Speaker 2: if you're going to go strictly based off of talent

792
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Speaker 2: and we're gonna have the discussion on okay, if someone trades,

793
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Speaker 2: who would they want and who would they like come

794
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Speaker 2: down to get? He crosses my mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I could see it. It's just kind

796
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Speaker 1: of it just hasn't been a lot of hype with

797
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Speaker 1: the receivers. But the one thing that's been interesting to

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Speaker 1: me with the receivers is and just kind of as

799
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Speaker 1: draft as you know, are we shifting Muntain back? You know,

800
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Speaker 1: just more to that Raiders' mindset across the board of

801
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: we just want these these speed guys, because you know

802
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: it could even be you could you could kind of

803
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Speaker 1: apply that scene thinking to a guy like Golden then, right,

804
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean McMillan has been the favorite at

805
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: wide receiver in that kind of top choice for most

806
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: of the offseason, and then Golden Golden kind of passed them.

807
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: But I mean, if we're kind of looking at I think,

808
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: you know the fact that we just haven't been seeing

809
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: much hype around receiver or quarterback in this draft, I

810
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: think it just makes it more likely to me, just

811
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Speaker 1: like guys like Golden, Bond, Burden, like those guys, there

812
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: would be something more movement for whereas McMillan's probably gonna

813
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Speaker 1: I would think, drop to somebody who is probably gonna

814
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Speaker 1: get a steal. But I just don't know if based

815
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Speaker 1: on what we've been kind of seeing in this draft,

816
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Speaker 1: if somebody's gonna trade up to get him, I think

817
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Speaker 1: it's more likely that he falls into a like I

818
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: would want to bet hit like team to draft him

819
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: because and look at some teams that you know he

820
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: could kind of fall to in these in you know,

821
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: the in the in the late first you know, not

822
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Speaker 1: not not that they've raight it up but just just

823
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Speaker 1: based on him falling.

824
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Speaker 3: So that's how that's how I'm kind of attacking him.

825
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I could definitely, I could definitely see it

826
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Speaker 1: a receiver going here, but I would I would probably

827
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Speaker 1: I would get better on.

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Speaker 3: It being a spee guy, and which would be point

829
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Speaker 3: to Golden.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, Golden slotted to Dallas at twelve and

831
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Speaker 2: a few different mocks. To be fair, McMillan and Golden

832
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Speaker 2: have the exact same draft position over under them at

833
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Speaker 2: seventeen and a half McMillan minus one thirty five to

834
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Speaker 2: the under while Golden is even so a bit of

835
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Speaker 2: a different situation, but same number. All right. We talked

836
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Speaker 2: about that one.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was a big gap too between yeah,

838
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Speaker 1: between them and the other thing I'll say is that

839
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Speaker 1: they both have now I think, the same exact number

840
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Speaker 1: of top thirty visits. So that again, receiver or something

841
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: that could go either way. But the fact that both

842
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: of them are the over unders are seventeen and a half,

843
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: that's essentially both of them below like the middle of

844
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Speaker 1: the first round. So that again, that's just another one

845
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: of those signals that just like quarterback, just the positional

846
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: stock of wide receivers in this draft seems to be

847
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: seems to be dropping, so that that just I'm just

848
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: trying to you know, as we as are now, you know,

849
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Speaker 1: week nine, ten days out, those themes are something I'm

850
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: trying to pay a little more of attention to because

851
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: then you know, depending on what position you want to

852
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: take in relation to those themes, that can kind of dictate,

853
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, with more options in the market, you know,

854
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: which which kind of group of picks you kind of

855
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Speaker 1: look at as we're kind of zoning out and making

856
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Speaker 1: our last few taking our last positions tended into the draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a smart way of looking at it, and

858
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: I think it kind of works as well for like

859
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: the first round, because they have odds up for players

860
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Speaker 2: to just simply be a first round pick. Some of

861
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: the big movers would be Derek Harmon has moved from

862
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: minus seven hundred to minus fifteen hundred, James Pierce Junior

863
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: minus one twenty five to minus one sixty, and Mason

864
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: Taylor from plus four thirty to three to one. I

865
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Speaker 2: would kind of just open the door here because I

866
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Speaker 2: think the opportunity at the late stages of the first

867
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Speaker 2: round where you might get a long shot to kind

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Speaker 2: of sneak in and cash a ticket. But I think

869
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: these have a little more volatility to volatility to them.

870
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: I think because there's thirty two picks in the first round,

871
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot of you know, opportunity for trades and

872
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: things of that nature. I kind of enjoy this market

873
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more. But tell me what you think here.

874
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a ton of players listed out there.

875
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: Is there anyone either odds on you would kind of

876
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: bet into or a long shot you would take.

877
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: So I think just of the guys you mentioned, I

878
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: think when you look at you know, okay, you got

879
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: a couple of kind of guys on the you know,

880
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: defensive side. Yeah, that on that defensive line moving up,

881
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: and then uh, you got a tight end, right, And

882
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: I think I think that's interesting because if we go

883
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,919
Speaker 1: back to these positional themes, it's like, okay, well, two

884
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: positions we saw falling that maybe we thought there'd be

885
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: a lot of action early on in the draft. A quarterback, receiver, Well,

886
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: offensive line we mentioned Banks, he's a riser. Okay, that's

887
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: one guy. So offensive line as a whole could be

888
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: coming up. But defense of the trenches in general, that

889
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: could just be you know, something that teams are looking

890
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: at a lot more than we thought.

891
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: So I think I think would I make.

892
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: A bet on like Piers from at like minus one

893
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: sixty not necessarily or harmon, you know, like you're not

894
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: betting those necessarily, but I think I thinks more it's

895
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: important to kind of look at them and say how

896
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: do they affect bets I do want to make. So

897
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking at those and say, okay, defensive line, that's

898
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: another spot that seems to be you know, potentially shooting

899
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: up draft boards.

900
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 3: And then the fact that tailor's odds are getting shorter.

901
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: You know that's interesting because you know we mentioned receivers

902
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be big, but tight end, I mean

903
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: there we've we keep seeing Tyler Warren mocked like higher

904
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: and higher just because he kind of fits right the

905
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: Jets that's at at seven.

906
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: You know, okay, he fits there.

907
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: So I don't you know, a lot of a lot

908
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: of people thought he would make it to the Colts

909
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: earlier in the draft process.

910
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: Now I don't know.

911
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: If he does, then that brings the you know, love

912
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: wind your guy. I know you at one point you

913
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: I can to even go ahead of Warren, you know,

914
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: he could maybe he goes high. So I think Taylor

915
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: probably the most interesting one to throw something on. I

916
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: don't think you want to throw something on like minus

917
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: one sixty, you know, in this volatile market, or definitely

918
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: not fifty minus fifteen hundred.

919
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: But I think noting that Taylor is kind of moving up.

920
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: The board here, that that is interesting to me and says,

921
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, teams are kind of focused on the trenches

922
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: and you know they're heavy personnel packages and things like that,

923
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: so that that's kind of a signal that maybe you

924
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: want to be more bullish on on you know, Warren

925
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: going higher and even a guy like Lovelind and then

926
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: you know if Taylor maybe sneaks in, So that that's

927
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: how I'm kind of at that. But I think of

928
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: those three bets, I think Taylor, I guess, because its

929
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: longer eyes, would be the one that I would sprinkle

930
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: a little bit on. Wouldn't really waste my time on

931
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: the other two. But I am noting that, okay, defensive line,

932
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: that that is something that you know, could could kind

933
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: of knock some of the guys down in the first

934
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: round that maybe we thought would go higher at other positions.

935
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: I'm a long shot better something I enjoyed doing. There

936
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: is a odds on favor here, though, or odds on

937
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: player that I think has some value at minus two

938
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: point fifty, like Kenneth Grant. I don't see many drafts

939
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: if you simulated this, you know, one hundred thousand times,

940
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, where Grant wouldn't go

941
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: in the first round. I think at twenty two, at sixteen,

942
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: at twenty four. I just think there's a lot of

943
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: opportunities for a defensive lineman in that slot. And I

944
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: like him, you know, just as much as Harmon, And

945
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: I think Harmon as we just talked about getting it

946
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: to minus fifteen hundred. Uh, just very different odds obviously

947
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: at minus two fifty, and I see Grant probably not

948
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: falling out of that zone. So to me, that's a

949
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: decent bed. I was looking for Zabel, but I don't

950
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: see him listed here, but I think he's another interesting one.

951
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: He would probably be the best offensive lineman after Banks. Uh.

952
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: And if Banks, if we're right about the three in

953
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: the top ten, then there definitely will be a need

954
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: there and someone will probably take him. But I couldn't

955
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: find odds for him.

956
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now I like that.

957
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a sharp way to think about it

958
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: because you know, especially with Grant, when you're looking at

959
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: if there's a run on a certain position or like

960
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, defensive line, we're looking at potentially offensive line.

961
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: There could be trades.

962
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: There could be a mini trades, Teams move up a

963
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: couple of spots, you know whatnot And all it takes

964
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: is one team to have like a guy like valuing

965
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: a position and then having one guy like one spot

966
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: ahead of another guy on their board, and you know,

967
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: everything can get kind of turned upside down in that

968
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: in that in that spot too. So it's not just

969
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: with okay, the you know, the top of the draft,

970
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: and obviously there could be a Penix like situation that

971
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: happened somewhere or there. But you know, even even if

972
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: there's a run on these positions, that doesn't mean that

973
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: the guys are going to go in the exact order

974
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: and it's just like the guys, well, we're gonna go higher.

975
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: Like it could mean that a guy kind of jumps

976
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: in to that top three in that position or top

977
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: four that we didn't see, just because teams will see

978
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: see a run and they just not every team is

979
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: gonna have guys braided the same way. So yeah, I

980
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: think that grant pick makes a lot of sense, and

981
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: that that that's another I think smart way to kind

982
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: of attack it here. If you're looking at long shots,

983
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: is you know, in these middle in this middle part

984
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: of the first round, middle to the late part, you know,

985
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: just kind of betting on guys to get into the

986
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: round that weren't and then betting on guys to go

987
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, uh a little bit earlier than they potentially would.

988
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: Because I do think that it's starting to look like

989
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: the trenches is the way that teams are going to

990
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: kind of approach this draft. So O line, D line,

991
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: there might be a few guys that kind of sneak in,

992
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: and if you can kind of find ways to bet

993
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: those guys at long odds, I think that's the smart

994
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: way to go about it.

995
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: When all else fails, go to the trenches where they're

996
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 2: having trouble trying to figure out prospects and who's good.

997
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: You just you know, let's get a defensive lineman and

998
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: offensive lineman kind of move on. All right, Let's do

999
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: some rapid fire here before we get out of here

1000
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: because there's just a ton of news stories out there.

1001
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: So seventeen players will be live in Green Bay for

1002
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: the draft. The big story is the fact that Shador

1003
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 2: won't be there and that mil Roe and Dart are going.

1004
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: And the news has been that Milroe was invited by

1005
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: the NFL, So do they have news? Do they kind

1006
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: of know what's going on there? Now? Milroe is plus

1007
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: one thirty five to be a first round pick? So

1008
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: is it noise? Do you care? Is this something you

1009
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: look at? I kind of talk to you.

1010
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: I do care because I so I just think that

1011
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: the there's a difference between mock drafting and where it's

1012
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: like you're essentially reacting to to to news that and

1013
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: we don't really have much And then for there to

1014
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: be there was actual you know, league personnel and you

1015
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: know kind of uh mixed, you know, talking talking amongst themselves.

1016
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: There was Pro Day's happening. So there's and then and

1017
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: now you have invites and those come from the league.

1018
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: So I think those are something that it could be noise. Ultimately,

1019
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like because the league invites no

1020
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: road doesn't mean some team is now going to take him. Obviously,

1021
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: that's not how it goes. But the fact that he

1022
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: was invited uh is kind of does raise my eyebrows

1023
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: a little, just because he is one of those guys

1024
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: that I think historically in drafts we probably would see overdrafted, right,

1025
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, like he's a guy it's like some team

1026
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: is going to get enamored with that type of skill

1027
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: set and say, Okay, you know we can kind of

1028
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: we can develop him as a prospect or whatnot. But

1029
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: and it could also bean that again that there's some

1030
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: real real uh steam behind like teams being low on

1031
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: shouldre or it could just mean kind of the other

1032
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: thing we're kind of looking at, which is there could

1033
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: be a lot of movement for quarterbacks, just not necessarily

1034
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: early in the first round. So there could be a

1035
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: thing where the quarterback market starts heating up towards the

1036
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: back end of the first round. And and and maybe

1037
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: teams have uh should or dark mill Row kind of

1038
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: grouped into a similar pack and in their weight first

1039
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: round grades or something like that, right, And so that

1040
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: I am kind of paying attention to it. It could

1041
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: it could just be hype, but it's just not It's

1042
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: it's not coming from the same people that are generally

1043
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: driving the market, which is going to be the Mott Drafters.

1044
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: So that's why I do pay some attention to what's

1045
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: going on with Milroe. I don't not that I agree

1046
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: with it, but I definitely think it's worth paying attention.

1047
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what your thoughts on him

1048
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: are as a prospect, but I was I was kind

1049
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: of surprised to see his name, his name up there

1050
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: with with Dart and Shador.

1051
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 2: I think we've said this before, like when you don't

1052
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: have a second quarterback prospect that is one hundred percent

1053
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: locked in and confident across the board, you tend to

1054
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 2: bring in other names, uh, and I tend to And

1055
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: I think that's what's happening with Dirt and Milroe. Just

1056
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 2: across the board. You're hearing other names because there's such

1057
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: non confidence in Shador. Like I think if Shardor was

1058
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 2: a lock to go three or something of that nature,

1059
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: you would you wouldn't be hearing this type of jumps

1060
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 2: and names like right now, Milroe. If you think he's

1061
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: going first round, it looks like he's being mocked twenty

1062
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 2: one and twenty four, which would be Steelers and Vikings.

1063
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 2: So you know, them being enamored with a quarterback, wanting

1064
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: to get another one into the room. Obviously Pittsburgh looking

1065
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: for anything at the moment, but for Minnesota's sake, And

1066
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: then I see other people trying to put him at

1067
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 2: like thirty two to the Eagles or thirty to the Bills.

1068
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: To me, it just doesn't make sense. It's like they

1069
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: need other things to worry about. They're so close to

1070
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: either repeating or trying to like compete with the Chiefs.

1071
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 2: I'm just not sure that makes sense. All right, let's

1072
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: keep going here. So no first round trades right now

1073
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: in the at all, and as the latest since nineteen

1074
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: ninety three, we've seen that. So I think the question

1075
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: is is if there is a trade, especially into the

1076
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: top ten, what would be the player you think people

1077
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: or teams would be looking for or going for or

1078
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: trying to pluck to do that. Because I think that

1079
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: is the question right now, and that's probably why we

1080
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: haven't seen anything, is because there isn't that player that

1081
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: you're willing to give up a first, a second, or

1082
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: you know, kind of mortgage for.

1083
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: I think it's still would be genty.

1084
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if that would be smart but I

1085
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: just think it's hard to look at other you know,

1086
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: I think it depends well, and it also depends how

1087
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: far you're moving up, because I do think if maybe

1088
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: if you're if you're looking for an offensive lineman and

1089
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: you feel like that that top three is you know,

1090
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,959
Speaker 1: set in stone, maybe you're trying to get the last

1091
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: of those guys or so maybe it's a guy like

1092
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: Banks or something, but that I think in the top

1093
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: ten gentsy makes the most. Genty or a quarterback still

1094
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: makes the most sense. That that That's how I would

1095
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: look at it. And maybe you got like Will Johnson,

1096
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: but I feel like they're the drop off between defensive

1097
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: backs and not look at as kind of as sharply

1098
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: in this draft, So I would I would still say

1099
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 1: genty or or a quarterback.

1100
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm going to do a follow up on genty,

1101
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: which is, I mean, all the mocks have of him

1102
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: going to the Raiders or Jaguar pretty much at this point,

1103
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: almost no other spots. Do you agree with that? Do

1104
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 2: you see other value there? Like the thing that's intriguing

1105
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: with gent And then I'll let you kind of answer.

1106
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 2: It is about thirty six hours ago he was ten

1107
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 2: to one to go fourth and tend to one to

1108
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: go fifth. Now he's as high as eighteen to one

1109
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: to go fourth, and he's moved low to like plus

1110
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: six hundred. I see as high as eight to fifty

1111
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: to go fifth, So it seems like there is some

1112
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: motivation for him to be drafted fifth right before that

1113
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: Raiders spot, What do you see in that Genti market?

1114
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: I think I think what we're seeing is as the

1115
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: top three have kind of solidified in terms of not

1116
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: knocking out the quarterbacks from a possibility, which you know,

1117
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: we'll see if that's ultimately correct, it seems like it's

1118
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: more and more likely it's.

1119
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 3: Going to be.

1120
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: Do you see the Patriots at four, there'd be a

1121
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: little bit more certainty of okay, they're gonna take either

1122
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: Campbell or Graham there. And then I think at five

1123
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: is where you see, well, if if if those guys

1124
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: are off the board, or if one or even if

1125
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: one of those guys are off the board and Hunter's

1126
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: off the board, I think you're seeing, well, the Jaguars

1127
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 1: could trade out of that spot. And I think that's

1128
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: that's why you're seeing the odds for gens kind of

1129
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: come down for the fifth spot because I think it

1130
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: could that's where you would see another team. So I

1131
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: think if you're if you're thinking that there's gonna be

1132
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: a trade up in that first round, I think that

1133
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: five spot not not going to the the the Jaguars,

1134
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: but just number five in general for GenZ, I think

1135
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 1: does make sense. I think that's where you're looking at. Okay,

1136
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: if a team wants him, like the Raiders are strongly

1137
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: thought to get him now, again, I don't think that's

1138
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility

1139
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 1: that he's there at six and the Raiders pass on him.

1140
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: So I don't think you want to bet him going

1141
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: to the Raiders are going at six exactly.

1142
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: I think those are over priced.

1143
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: But I do think if you think there's going to

1144
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: be a trade, I think he's probably the most obvious player,

1145
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: and I think the most obvious spot would be five

1146
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 1: for a team to trade. So anyway, I've been saying

1147
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: that for a while, So yeah, that's how I would

1148
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: kind of play that, and I think that's why those

1149
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: odds are coming down.

1150
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: Got it all right? Last question before we get out

1151
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: of here, Derek Carr, I'm just curious so we have

1152
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: the news on his shoulder injury. His twenty twenty five

1153
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: seasons basically up in the air. Car Last dealt with

1154
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: a shoulder injury in twenty twenty three. He sprained his

1155
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: ac joint beginning of this season, didn't miss any games.

1156
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 2: Now Saints have four quarterbacks on the roster. They've got car, Hainer, Rattler,

1157
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 2: and Denucci. They still have like twenty seven million in

1158
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 2: cap space if they wanted to sign another QB. People

1159
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: have been trying to put Shador at nine. I guess

1160
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 2: my question to you is, just quickly Saints Carr Shador,

1161
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: Like what do you think is the right move there?

1162
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: And what do you think they'll do? Like what's the opportunity.

1163
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: I've never thought Derek Carr was the right move. I

1164
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 3: think he's blocked me on Twitter or X so I've

1165
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 3: never thought Derek Carr was the right right move. But

1166
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 3: so it's tough to say. I think I think the

1167
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 3: right move.

1168
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: I listen, if she is there at nine, I think this,

1169
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: and the Saints are picking at nine, I don't I

1170
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: don't mind that pick because I don't think that any

1171
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks on the roster now are the are

1172
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: the answer. Now, Uh, you know, the Saints do have

1173
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: a lot of holes, but it all starts with quarterbacks.

1174
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: So now that I mean, Carr was still the he

1175
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: was the best answer on the roster, and he did

1176
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: play well at times last year, and so you got

1177
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: to hand it to him. So if he's going to

1178
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: be up in the air now, I think you're back

1179
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: at square one at quarterback. So I do think you're

1180
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: you're alive, and and I do think you also want

1181
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: to kind of zoom out for a second and look

1182
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: at well to this kind of you're in relation to

1183
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: why a guy like Milroe is getting this buzz too,

1184
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: because do we you know, we just essentially add another

1185
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: team now, because I know, you know, some people have

1186
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: the Saints getting quarterbacks, but like they're all over the place.

1187
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: They were like that kind of chameleon. Everyone was just

1188
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: mocking whoever was going to be left at nine to

1189
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: the Saints, whether it was a quarterback, whether it was Warren,

1190
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: whether it was Johnson, whoever. So if you've got a

1191
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: team that's maybe more firmly now in the quarterback market,

1192
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: could that could that be the reason for the mill

1193
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: Row hype or something like that?

1194
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 3: You know, we don't.

1195
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: We don't exactly know, but I think that's those two

1196
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: things could somewhat be related. And I do think the

1197
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: Saints are going to consider a quarterback now with this

1198
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: car thing. But I mean the thing is we're hearing

1199
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: all this news and it's all like, you know, more

1200
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: and more teams are kind of looking at a quarterback,

1201
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: and all these different quarterbacks are are they could just

1202
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: we could just be going through like legendary levels of

1203
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: smoke screening here. So again like we already placed some

1204
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: kind of long shots on some quarterbacks. I would kind

1205
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: of look at some uh some things where they just

1206
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: all slide to, you know, like past the Saints, past

1207
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: the Steelers, because like the way we're the way we're

1208
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: kind of looking at it or going now, it's like,

1209
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: does anyone want any of these guys? I don't know,

1210
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: uh so, but I think the Saints at nine.

1211
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 3: I would look at I wouldn't. I wouldn't look at you.

1212
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: Or in terms of betting in the betting market, I

1213
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: think he's too overpriced now, so I don't think I

1214
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: think still kind of looking at the Saints to take

1215
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: one of those other guys.

1216
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: You know, maybe a will Johnson, somebody.

1217
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: Like that that they were initially expected to draft. Is

1218
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: probably is the way to go about it if you're

1219
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: looking to bet, like the Saints at now are trying

1220
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: to figure out what they're gonna do because these quarters,

1221
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: I think these they're just trying to throw us off

1222
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: with these quarter With this quarterback situations, quarterback is still

1223
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: the most likely like position overall, Like maybe not necessarily

1224
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: in that top five because I think gent would make

1225
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: the most sense, but just overall in the first round,

1226
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: in the first half of the first round, and just

1227
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: because there's so many of these quarterbacks that are potentially mocked,

1228
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, mid to late first round, there could be

1229
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: multiple penics like trade. So at this point I think

1230
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: I think the best move is kind of fade the

1231
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: certainty with quarterbacks and and kind of look to like, okay,

1232
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: what's the most reasonable or most likely option for a team?

1233
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: Just taking quarterback out of the equation for a second,

1234
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: and you know, I think Will Johnson makes a lot

1235
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: of sense sense to the Saints at this spot.

1236
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 3: Still. I know he was popular early on.

1237
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: You know, if there's a run online offensive or defensive line,

1238
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,959
Speaker 1: he's a guy that could be sitting there at nine,

1239
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: and then also remembering that you know, the Panther is

1240
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: probably even more likely to trade out of their pick

1241
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: at eight, So who you know, maybe maybe you know

1242
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: should or could even go eight before the Saints are

1243
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: up to pick because people think they're going to take

1244
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: a quarterback. So I wouldn't betting on them taking a quarterback.

1245
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: I do think it got more likely. I just don't

1246
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: think there's value in the market on doing it. I

1247
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: think there's value in the market on kind of betting on,

1248
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, who they would have who we thought they

1249
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: were going to take. When this whole quarterback situation wasn't

1250
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: it was a little bit less volatile than it is now.

1251
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you look across the market, Shador

1252
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: is minus one fifteen at bet MGM to go to

1253
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 2: the Saints. He's minus one ten at three sixty five

1254
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 2: to go to the Saints, and then at vandal is

1255
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: plus one thirty, So it is drying up across the market,

1256
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: So that FD price is pretty good. I think the

1257
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 2: only other thing you would consider is he's five to

1258
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 2: one to go to the Steelers, So if he does

1259
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 2: fall that twenty one slot, that'd be the best odds

1260
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 2: you can find, and then if you really want to

1261
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: get frisky, Minnesota is one hundred to one. So if

1262
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 2: Minnesota is being talked about for mil Row and all

1263
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Shador falls in their pocket, one hundred

1264
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: to one's an interesting price for a team that might

1265
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: be looking for a quarterback.

1266
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this, something tells me I think Milroe probably

1267
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: got There was probably somebody somebody is high on Milroe

1268
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: and but we don't know who. But I can't see

1269
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: it just being Minnesota because you just went out and

1270
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: got McCarthy. I know, you know, you got what you

1271
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: got out of a darnold and you let him go.

1272
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: So it's like, I just can't I just feel like

1273
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: there is a team that's probably high on Milroe, but

1274
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: everyone's trying to guess who that is, and no one

1275
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: actually knows because I can't see it being the Vikings.

1276
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, they're just trying. They're just trying to

1277
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: say Minnesota just because they don't have another quarterback in

1278
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 2: the room. The guy's young, someone to compete with. It

1279
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 2: probably makes more sense for it to be like a

1280
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 2: veteran and not waste the capital. But that's kind of

1281
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: where we said all right, Well, we've done this for

1282
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: a fun hour. We could probably do this for another hour,

1283
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: but we're gonna stop down here and we're gonna be

1284
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: back next week. We're gonna do multiple pods. We've got

1285
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: different guests, different things. The favorites with Chad and Simon

1286
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 2: are going to do a bunch of draft stuff. It's

1287
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 2: going to be fantastic. But forday for today. That's it.

1288
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 2: I am Evan Abrams, that is Chris Raybon. Thank you

1289
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: for listening to the Action Howur podcast, and we will

1290
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: be back with so much more draft stuff in the

1291
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 2: next time you hear from us, it'll be Draft week.

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Speaker 2: See a letter everybody.

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Speaker 1: Action Network reminds you please gamble responsibly.

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Speaker 2: If you or someone you care about has a gambling problem,

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Speaker 2: help is available twenty four to seven at one eight

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Speaker 2: hundred Gambler