1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Caf I Am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app and 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: on the radio from one until four and after four 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: o'clock John and Ken on demand. 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: All right, well, of course, the big news is we're 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: gonna meet the moment. 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 3: We don't have to demo the freeway. We can repair 8 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 3: the freeway, and it may only take weeks. 9 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: Not months, to reopen the ten Freeway near downtown Los Angeles. 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: Newsome again appeared today to make this announcement after they 11 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: did all their studies and all their inspections. Let's bring 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: on Steve Gregory for the full report on this. 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: Stee Hey, guys, it's just like one of my colleagues 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: texted me this morning after the press conference and said, 15 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: I think the only good thing to come out of 16 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: this is that we don't have to listen to these 17 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: press conferences every day for six months. Got short this, Yeah, yeah, 18 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: they're only gonna get five weeks now, not six months 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: of this, kind of like COVID updates. So they think 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 1: this can be done now three to five weeks, three 21 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: or five weeks before the end of the year. There 22 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: and Mayor Bass made a big deal about saying that 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: they're using the same contracting firm that did the recovery 24 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: efforts and rebuilding from the north Ridge quake of ninety four, 25 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: so they have the experience, except all those people are 26 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: dead exactly years later. Hopefully they passed some of that 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: knowledge on and nursing. 28 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, but she. 29 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: Was very excited about that. The governor said that the 30 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: latest core samples coming from deep in the upper deck 31 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: of the highway section came back in a positive way, 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: meaning there was didn't seem to be any internal structural 33 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: damage or any breaching of the rebar and the metal 34 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: framing and all of that. So that's how they do it. 35 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: They take like little samples of stuff, huh Yeah. 36 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: And then what they do is they check to see 37 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: if the heat, you know, sort of breached any of 38 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: the of the integrity of the cohesion of the concrete 39 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: and the asphalt the metal beams, because if those metal 40 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: beams and rebar get too hot, they could literally expand, 41 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: and then when they expand, it puts pressure and causes 42 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: fissures or cracks into that concrete and that's what causes 43 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: the structural integrity issue. And if that had been the case, 44 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: they would have had to demolish the whole thing, tear 45 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: it all down. He also said one hundred columns had 46 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: been damaged. That's a lot of columns. Eight acres. 47 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of nine to ten were 48 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: severely damned. 49 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: There was a lot of freeway there, so they were 50 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: really worried about, you know, the overall problem. And now 51 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: as it is that, you know, I've got all those 52 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: wooden sort of wooden structures and beams down there now 53 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: that are shoring up the freeway so they can come 54 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: in and do the repairs. Some two hundred and fifty 55 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: dump trucks are coming in and out of that area. 56 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: So do they have to knock down those columns and 57 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: replace them with new ones? Not necessarily, it depends. It 58 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: looks as though some of them might need to be replaced, 59 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: others maybe just cosmetic facelifts. But the ten of them 60 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: that are severely damaged, I mean, I don't know that, 61 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean they're goners. I don't know yet that. I mean, 62 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: we don't know if those are going to have to 63 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: be replaced at all. They haven't gotten into the detail. 64 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: And he also did the governor this morning that there, 65 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, there could be some temporary closures. They're going 66 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: to try to reopen one or two lanes maybe to 67 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: get get traffic moving. You've got, you know, got Thanksgiving 68 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: holiday coming up. You got a busy time coming up. 69 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: And if that's the case, they may have to shut 70 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: it down again temporarily overnight to replace some of the 71 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: bigger pieces of the freeway, or to replace chunks of it. 72 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: He did mention that, so it could very well be 73 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: on the column side. 74 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: Is he going to go first when we reopen this 75 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: so he can show us it's safe. Get a little 76 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: limo and how buddy would that be? Yeah? 77 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: He drives across in his governor's limo with the entourage down. Yeah, 78 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: but that's good. 79 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: What about the unhoused? Are they okay? The unhoused? 80 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to this song and dance that they're 81 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: doing here? Who this? 82 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: I noticed they are. 83 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: About the arson? Did someone file an insurance claim? I mean, 84 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: if somebody was trying to burn down their own business, 85 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: there must be some insurance claim at stake, right, because 86 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: they want to go the money is it's a junkyard. 87 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: There are all these are all questions that are in 88 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: flux in Fox boy, you've worked with the politicians. There 89 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: you go. That's right. Uh, that is a that is 90 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: a policy question I'm not prepared to answer at this time. 91 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: By declaring it arson, it's taken away the idea that 92 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: it was. Uh, it was it was a crazy homeless person. 93 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: Because what did I tell you? What did I tell you? 94 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: What did I tell you? What he did tell me? 95 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: I told you Remember when he left the show yesterday 96 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: around this time, he said, it's not going to be 97 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: what you thinking. 98 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: It's not going to be what you think it is. 99 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: And even if it were what you think it is, 100 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: it's not going to be what you think it is. 101 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: Oh wow, think about it. In other words, they are 102 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: not going to admit they're never going to a crazy 103 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: homeless guy or a a well yeah, I mean a 104 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: crazy homeless guy would start a fire just to start 105 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: a fire, or maybe he's having a fight with another 106 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: crazy homeless guy. Remember, homeless people commit arson too. I 107 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: mean a lot of them. They've attacked each other, They've 108 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: lit their tents on fire, They've done these kinds of things. 109 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: We have the guy in the bicycle lightening up car. 110 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm getting at here, is they came 111 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: up with a cover story describing the crime. And now 112 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: everybody is and did you hear what was said right 113 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: after that? Don't jump to conclusions and don't demonize the homeless. Yeah, yes, 114 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: I don't need her Karen Bass lecturing me on what 115 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: to think, but saying it. But I am following. I'm 116 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: not jumping to a conclusion. I am grabbing this conclusion 117 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: and shaking it because who did it. It's either a 118 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: normal person or an abnormal person. A normal person, what 119 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: would be the motivation for doing that? Well, he's a person. 120 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: It's an insurance place, I mean, and I think, and 121 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: I think that's where Governor Newsom is kind of leading 122 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: us down this path. He keeps mentioned. Now he mentions 123 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: the company's name. Remember he didn't mention it on Sunday 124 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: when I asked him, who's the last scene? He goes, Wow, 125 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: we can't really talk about it because of the litigation. Pash, Yes, litigation, posture, litigation, 126 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: that's nonsense. You can talk about. 127 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: The Apex development. Yeah, the name of this. 128 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: Com out of Calabasas. And then he says they also 129 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: are releasing four other properties nearby. Yes, and they subleased 130 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: it turned all in dramatic terms, bad actors. They had 131 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: a lease in dispute, they went to court, sub legal posture, 132 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: they might against the law. That all danced around who 133 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: committed the arsen Why would you commit the arsen if 134 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: it was a rational act? Right? Arson to get insurance 135 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: is a rational act? Well, what insurance? 136 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: The palettes? 137 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: Well, the thing is there were forklifts in there. There 138 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: were those are expensive. Uh, there was a lot of 139 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: vehicles in there. There was a lot. We don't know 140 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: what was truly in there, right so they but they 141 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: nobody's filed the game yet. 142 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: Now. 143 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 3: Is there any surveillance video from this whole area? 144 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: Well, that's what they're working on right now. They've they've 145 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: been canvas seeing that entire area. And because of its 146 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: proximity and being twelve thirty in the morning, twelve twenty 147 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: in the morning, you know it's dark under there, there's 148 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: very few lights. Why would they have cameras under there? Well, 149 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: if there's something expensive, I mean the security, Yeah, there's 150 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: security there. Presumably we don't know the scope of all 151 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: of that yet. Apex Development seems to be a pretty 152 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: lucrative larger company. 153 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: Did they Was that just an unattended storageyard. Was there 154 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: any active business going on there? No, it's just storage. 155 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: Here's the line. Newsom said. 156 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: The fire was set within the fence line of the 157 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: storage business operating below the freeway. So apparently they found 158 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: evidence of arsenal right, right, yeah, and they found it quickly. 159 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: It seemed to be an obvious somebody left a gas 160 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: point of origin. Well no, if it's an accelerant that 161 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: they're going to know that too. Okay, Well, that's the thing. 162 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: If you're going to apply for an insurance claim, you 163 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: have to have a pretty slick way of committing the 164 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: arsen because insurance companies are all over that they're not 165 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: going to pay. But if it's sloppily done with a 166 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: gas can or something, they're not going to get any money. 167 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: So that there's no motive to have a sloppy arson attempt. 168 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: But here's the thing though, it could also be one 169 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: of the five sub least less ees. It could be 170 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: one of the other ones down the line that did it. 171 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: And what would be their motivation? Again, it could if 172 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: they if they were behind on their rent, or they're 173 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: just needing the money. I mean, there's there's that possibility. Uh, 174 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: that could be a revenge fire. I mean someone could 175 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: be mad at them over a business dispute, or it 176 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: could be a whole host of things, and it could 177 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: be a homeless person or a homeless camp. And we 178 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: don't know that that fence was one hundred percent impenetrable. 179 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: We don't know that that was that there wasn't a 180 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: big gaping hole in the back of the fence or 181 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: something like that that people were coming in and out. 182 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: It had been characterized to me that there was an 183 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: active homeless camp in there. Well, there you go, but 184 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: that wasn't That wasn't a secure fence like in a 185 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: in a maximum security prison. 186 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 2: Is this as hard as getting a tenant out of 187 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: an apartment? I mean, they weren't paying the lead payments, 188 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: they were subletting it without permission. How come they weren't 189 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: just booted out of there a long time ago? 190 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: They had to. I asked that question on Sunday, and 191 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: remember I got the legal posture response. 192 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: They couldn't comment on it because I'm saying, it's like 193 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: trying to evict. It's like a squatter, you're trying to 194 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: evict a real town. 195 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: What about searching fire department inspections? Well, they don't do 196 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: them because it's state property, so that comes under Calfire's perview. Okay, 197 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: well CalFire, Well it's been CalFire office downtown. They got 198 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: to come in from other areas, I mean, the state 199 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: fire mars. I don't know what. Let me tell you 200 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: what this has done, as it usually does, is now 201 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: it's opened up a Pandora's box in all the procedures 202 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: and processes in which they take care of these properties, 203 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: because a lot of people are now saying, well, how 204 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: did you let this go for so long? How did 205 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: you let that go? How many citations do you get 206 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: before you take action? That's what I'm saying. They did 207 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: some kind of inspection to justify the citations, right, they 208 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: had to give an inspection in order to prove that 209 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: you're guilty of this and we want money or whatever 210 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: that punishment is. So why did they allow it to 211 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: stay there? I'm hoping that we get all those answers 212 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: either soon from Caltrans or we get it from the 213 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: legal documents that have been filed. 214 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 3: Here's what I really hand sanitizer down there. 215 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: Here's what I think. The plan, obviously is they're gonna 216 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: do happy talk. Then we got the distraction of the holidays, 217 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: and then by the first of the year they open 218 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: up and say, hey, everything's fine, and then nobody's gonna 219 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: cover the story anymore. No one's going to take responsibility 220 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: for it. And here's the way it's going to be crafted. 221 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: Because these are the way these pr people do it 222 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: in the government. It's not the time to look to 223 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: the past, right, It's time to look forward. If the 224 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: past has happened, it's time to look forward. Well, that's 225 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: not gonna fly here. I'm gonna I hate that, we're 226 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: gonna I hate make it makes me crazy too, and 227 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: I don't want them to get away with this. Somebody 228 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: had mentioned to me also too, that this the less 229 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: see might have been impacted by COVID payments because it 230 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,479 Speaker 1: also dealt with commercial tenants as well as residential tenants, 231 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: So there might have been a pay structure issue there 232 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: that had just been mentioned. It's an angle I had 233 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: not considered. So I do want to explore whether or 234 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: not these people were But I'm thinking to myself, but 235 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: even if that was the case, that I don't think 236 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: the state would have been suing them if they'd had 237 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: plenty of chances to pay up and settle their building 238 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: right or way behind. Yeah, sorry, thanks very much. 239 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: If your phone dings, let us know if there's a 240 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 3: big update. 241 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got anything. 242 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from kf 243 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 4: I am six forty. 244 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: You know the reason I was pushing Steve so hard 245 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: on this, and he's trying to find out what the 246 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: story is. He's really doing great work about this freeway collapse? 247 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: Is it didn't collapse? 248 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: Well, this potential collapse, right, you just wait, they got 249 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: they got they got ten columns. It's severely damaged. You 250 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: never know what's going to happen. 251 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: But they're in there, I supposedly showing it up now, 252 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 3: so I doubt it's gonna collapse. 253 00:11:58,760 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: By the way, how come. 254 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: There's so good to do this in three to five weeks. 255 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: Have you seen the condition of the roads elsewhere? How 256 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: come they're suddenly gonna be real efficient? 257 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 3: Well, because that's a major major interchange. 258 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: Why can't they approach work like that every day? 259 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: It's not like a pothole on the one ten. 260 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean, they should all work should be approached this way. 261 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: But in any event, I really resent bass lecturing everybody, 262 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: scolding everybody yesterday on what to think. Although we can't 263 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: pit Angelinos against Angelino's, we can't pit the unhoused versus 264 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: the house. It's like, we'll pit whoever we want to. 265 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: You're not in charge of You're not in charge of pitting. 266 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 3: But it's clear the blowback got to them. 267 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: I mean it's everywhere, and I think people are putting 268 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: it in all sorts of comment boards. This has to 269 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: be Oh, it's a coincidence. A big homeless encampment underneath 270 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: an arson fire. Oh yeah, homeless have nothing to do 271 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 2: with it, so they know bs when they see it. 272 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: Take did you see the story what happened this morning? 273 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: The one ten one oh five underneath? There was a 274 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: big fire this morning too, but the fire department got 275 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 2: there and put it out. 276 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: It came from a homeless encampment. Every day there's one there. 277 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: If there had been, you see the Probably the difference 278 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: this time is there was the right explosive materials under 279 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: that freeway can sanitizer, but also the wooden palants everything. 280 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: Some of these other fires don't get as big because 281 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: you don't have quite as. 282 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 3: Much stuff that would be a big burn. 283 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: Homeless people constantly start fires. 284 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: Some of them, and they love to be under the 285 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: freeways because the coltrans. Yeah, that's why I said that 286 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: judge who said we got to get them away from 287 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 2: the freeways, he said it because of their own safety. 288 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: I'm saying it because everything's going to burn down, including 289 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 2: everybody's transportation routes. 290 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's busy scolding us when this was on 291 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: the verge of the biggest failure that any mayor could 292 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: ever have, that she has done nothing about the homeless 293 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: situation in Los Angeles, nothing, And she's constantly gaslighting everybody, 294 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: constantly lying about what she's done. Constantly you're trying to 295 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:01,359 Speaker 1: release public relations statements to when they all co respond. 296 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: To if they just bat each other on the back. 297 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 2: And this agency's great and they got right on this. 298 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: We're going to stay on this and that that job. 299 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: All your agencies suck. You all suck. You do a 300 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: lousy job. Bass has done a terrible job in homelessness. 301 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: But hey, I expected that, right. I mean, I'd love 302 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: to have Rick Caruso building the new freeway here. But 303 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: she she stinks at her job. She's overwhelmed. She's never 304 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: been an executive, she's never been a leader. She's never 305 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: been in a position to make major decisions. She stinks 306 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: at her job. She can't find her way out of 307 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: a paper bag, let alone this homeless situation. And it 308 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: was on her watch that she allowed all these homeless 309 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: encampments underneath freeways where the fires burn every freaking day. 310 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: Eighty percent of the fires in downtown LA are from 311 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: homeless encampments. Oh, this is one that's not connected to 312 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: the homeless encampment. Really, what some bizarre complicated insurance. 313 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about the agency. We should talk about. 314 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: What a name Caltrans has. 315 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: It's called the Airspace and Telecommunications Licensing Program Airspace. They're 316 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: the ones that leased this property under the freeway to 317 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: this company Apex, which broke the lease, didn't make the payments, 318 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: sublet to other partners. Probably somebody put hand sanitizer under this. 319 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: They're the ones that need to be under scrutiny here 320 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: because they're responsible for this. First of all, why would 321 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: you lease any property under the freeways for people to 322 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: put crap that could burn or whatever? Why would you 323 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: do that? They want the money, I guess I don't know. 324 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: That's that part of the story is weird, And well, 325 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: why won't you put If you had storage stuff, why 326 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: don't you Why don't you put it on our freeway? 327 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: That's ridiculous because the space that's unused, I know. 328 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: But then if you have to buy or rent a 329 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: big like most people do, a storage unit. 330 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: At a why is Coltrans allowing flammable materials put under 331 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: a freeway? Who was who shot? And and if if 332 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: they somehow defrauded you they said they were going to 333 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: store uh you know, uh the nursery plants under there. 334 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: As soon as you found out that it was climmable materials, 335 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: everything should have been removed again fire emergency, when the 336 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: fire de. 337 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: Palace really burned. That's what we found out. 338 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: So the Tony Tavarus is the director of Caltrans, and 339 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: I will read to you from the second paragraph. Director 340 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: to Varus's transportation vision for California addresses climate issues and 341 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: he advances a safe, equitable, accessible, sustainable, and multi modal 342 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: transportation system. 343 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: Well, the usual bad priorities. 344 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: Diversity, equity and inclusion. First thing on the list here 345 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: climate change, non saense. This is garbage, pave the road, 346 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: clear flammable materials from out under. 347 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: Fire didn't do good for the climate. Let's put it 348 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: that way. 349 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: Right, how much how much carbon monoxide and garbage dioxide 350 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: went into the air. I mean, this is what they 351 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: think their job is now, to sit around with thirty 352 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: people at around discussion about the diversity and equity in 353 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: our climate goals and all this other crap, manure feces nonsense. 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One of the other big stories that 363 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 2: we just touched on on Friday, didn't he chants to 364 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: do an update on yesterday because of the whole freeway 365 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: closure story dominating the news is this wild story out 366 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: of the Valley where the son of a well known 367 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: Hollywood executive has now been arrested and charged in connection 368 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 2: with the death of his wife. 369 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: And his in laws. 370 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: Now, this is a wild crazy man's name is Samuel Bond. 371 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 2: Has the fourth When you have a name like that, 372 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 2: you probably come from a prominent, wealthy family, don't you. 373 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 2: Samuel Bond Haskell the fourth the magic's in the name. 374 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 2: They have not confirmed, but they did discover a woman's 375 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: torso in a dumpster, and guests who found that John a. 376 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 3: Vagrant looking for lunch. This man, of. 377 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 2: Course, came to the attention of authorities because he tried 378 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: to hire some day laborers to come to his home 379 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: in Tarzana and remove some bags bags that, yeah, apparently 380 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 2: were body parts. They came to the home, but as 381 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: soon as they started lifting the bags, they realized these 382 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: aren't rocks. This isn't construction materials. This is soft and squishy. 383 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 2: Can you imagine that? So they apparently gave up on 384 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: the job. Now, they did call the police, but by 385 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 2: the time police got there, the place where the body 386 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: parts were in the bags were gone. That's because apparently 387 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: Haskell took them and threw them into the dumbster himself. 388 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 2: But so far, all they have is a woman's torso. 389 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 2: Did the workers look into the bags. They did eventually 390 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 2: look into the bag and they saw the skin. They 391 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: saw a belly button is what I read. 392 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. 393 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 3: A human belly button. 394 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: Yea. 395 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 3: They said, okay, we're not doing this job. 396 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: And Haskell was trying to pass it off as a 397 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: Halloween prop. 398 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: That's right, those were Halloween props. Yeah, very lifelike. Hollywood's 399 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: great today, they can make stuff like that that appears 400 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 2: to be real. 401 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: His dad, Samuel Haskell, the third Yes, big deal in Hollywood. 402 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: He was an executive vice president at the William Morris Agency. 403 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: Was Dolly Parton's manager and producer of a number of 404 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: TV shows. She had George Clooney's agent, will Be Goldberg's agent. 405 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: This is years ago. He left the agency and then 406 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: he became a president of the Miss America pageant. Oh, 407 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: and left the pageant after all these ugly emails were discovered. 408 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: He wrote all these terrible things about one of the 409 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: Miss America winners named Malory Hagen, about how she was 410 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: fat and how she had slept with people in virtually 411 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: every state of the Union, and called her the C word. 412 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: It was really vicious, nasty stuff, and so he had 413 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: to had to leave that job. So there's craziness in 414 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: the family. He was considered the night This is the 415 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: dad I'm talking about. Oh, one of the nice guys 416 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, and in all the photos he looks like 417 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: this big, happy, smiling guy. And then you start reading 418 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: about his background. I was like, whoa wait a second, Yeah, 419 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: I didn't see those stories. Yeah, I mean. 420 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 2: But right away, of course, a neighbor said that Sam 421 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 2: Haskell fourth was weird. And then there was a story 422 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: that apparently his home was littered with all sorts of 423 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 2: sharp objects. He loves samurai swords. He loved to collect 424 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: these kinds of things, so it would appear that he 425 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: chopped them up. But they still haven't found They haven't 426 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: found any parts of the in laws. They do believe, 427 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: but they still have to do the DNA testing to 428 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: confirm that this is his wife's torso that was in 429 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 2: that one garbage bag which recovered from the dumpster. I 430 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: guess what he did after the day laborers brought everything back. 431 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 2: He loaded it up quickly, and then he went to 432 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: probably different dumpsters or different places and dropped off the 433 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: body parts. 434 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: And the homeless guy happened to find the torso. 435 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: So. 436 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 2: Another woman that says she ran into him at a 437 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 2: diner a few weeks before the murders and said. 438 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 3: He was really strange. Typically we hug each other. He 439 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 3: didn't want to hug. 440 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: He kept backing up from me, like I'm a threat. 441 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: This is someone she's known, not a stranger, no sin 442 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 2: since they were thirteen. They'd known each other, right right, 443 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: She said they were wonderful people, but something happened to him. 444 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 2: And again, he's thirty five, and we talk about, you know, 445 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: mental illness and when it starts to really take over 446 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 2: somebody in their twenties and thirties. 447 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: Apparently he put out these two talk videos that this 448 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: friend said were weird, but it's exactly the way he 449 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: acts in real life. She described him as attractive, intelligent, 450 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 1: and extremely socially awkward. And if you look at any 451 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: of his TikTok videos or you hurt him, open his 452 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: mouth and just say hi, you can tell he's weird. 453 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: H Well, that's fine, because well it didn't end up 454 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: being fine, but at the time, being weird didn't mean 455 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: you couldn't be nice and kind. 456 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 2: A few years into their friendship, Haskell became awkward. He 457 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 2: began calling too much and showing up at our house uninvited. 458 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 2: When she and her brother asked them to stop, uh oh, 459 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: he allegedly pulled out a massive machete on them. 460 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: And here comes the big mistake. He goes into the 461 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: trunk of his car, Sam Haskell before and pulled out 462 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: a machete, not a pocket knife, a machete, a machete. 463 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: They called the police, but her family declines to press charges. 464 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: Say what just a sad misunderstand And if. 465 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: You could pick these guys out well in advance, because 466 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: when they finally kill and chop up a body, maybe 467 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: with a machete, it's not the first time he had 468 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: a machete in his hand. Right now, he's he's he 469 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 1: went after this lady with a machete and she's his friend. 470 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 3: The in laws lived in the house. 471 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: They came from China and they lived in the house 472 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 2: with Haskell and his wife, their children. Thank god they 473 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: were in school and were safe. He didn't kill the children. 474 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 2: But it's a pretty good guest that he chopped up 475 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: his wife and his in law's head a landfill. Yeah, 476 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 2: that remains to be seen whether or not he talks 477 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: and they can find But look at that, John a 478 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 2: vagrant did a good deed. He found the first piece 479 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: of evidence, the torso wrapped in plastic. 480 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, we could solve a lot of crimes with vagrants 481 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: going through dumpsters finding disposable bodies. Were disposed bodies. 482 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 3: He might be able to do that. 483 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: But that first picture I saw of him, first pictures 484 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: he came out of him, he was much younger and. 485 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 3: He looked fairly normal. 486 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: Then I saw more recent picture of him and whoa, Yeah, 487 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: there has been a change. He has the dead eyes, 488 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 2: the crazy eyes, and he's just kind of staring like, 489 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: what do you want, I'll kill you. 490 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: He must have suffered like some kind of schizophrenic breakdown. 491 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 2: There's so much mental illness. Speaking of that coming up 492 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: after two o'clock. Remember this story out of Long Beach 493 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 2: where the woman almost got raped on the street. The 494 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: vagrant came up behind her and pulled down his pants 495 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: from it that story. First it was supposed to be 496 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 2: a misdemeanor. Now it's a felony. There's a new development 497 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: in the case we're going to talk about with Rebecca, 498 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: who was the one that was assaulted on that street 499 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: in Long Beach. And this tells you all you need 500 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: to know about George Gascon in criminal justice. 501 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 3: These days. 502 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 503 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 4: AM six forty We. 504 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: Were just talking about sam Hainisher candy. Yeah, I know 505 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: these candies are too good, Smarty. 506 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: Marty's Why would she give you toxic food? 507 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. They're probably poisonous. 508 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 3: And processed goods. Hunway brought a big old bag of 509 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 3: these Smarties in and so I needed a little sugar rush, 510 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 3: and so I got some from myself and I threw 511 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 3: some over to John. 512 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: Can you imagine her on a sugar rush? 513 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 3: I had coffee as well today. 514 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: Oh that that should be illegal sugar and coffee. Anyway, 515 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: we were just talking about Samuel Haskell the fourth, who's 516 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: the guy who chopped up his wife and in laws. 517 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 3: We believe, yes, they don't have the bodies exactly. 518 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: I mentioned the dad, Samuel Haskell the third, who is 519 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: this big deal Hollywood agent and producer. And while I 520 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: was looking up stories on him, they did a mini 521 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: series on him over the summer, oh called. It was 522 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: on A and E. Secrets of Miss America Exposed to 523 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: to scheming ceo Sam Haskell and how he terrorized the Crown. Wow. 524 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 2: Most articles are just calling him a big Hollywood executive. 525 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 2: They're not giving us the underbelly, you. 526 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: Know, it says The man who ruled Miss America with 527 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: an iron fist was Sam Haskell, and this was around 528 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen to twenty seventeen and for Worldwide Head of 529 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: Television for William Morris represented everyone from George Clooney to 530 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: Dolly Parton, and Haskell was on the board elevated the CEO. 531 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: He was credited with saving the Miss America organization in 532 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: the early two thousands after he'd fallen into near bankruptcy 533 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: and it was dumped by ABC. His official bio describes 534 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: him as the nice guy in Hollywood. But you'll have 535 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 1: a really hard time believing that after watching this docu 536 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: series featuring the testimonials of more than twenty for Miss 537 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: Americas who've come forward to share their horror stories for 538 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: the first time. 539 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 3: Now, this is not a met too, this is more. 540 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: This is not sexual. 541 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: No, this is like psychological just being nasty. Yeah, And 542 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: I mentioned twenty fifteen to twenty seventeen, that's when the 543 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: scandal erupted involvedly his emails trashing, but apparently his service 544 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: goes back to the early two thousands. Oh and a 545 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: lot of it's on this Mallory, what did I say? 546 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: Mallory Hagen and he he was extremely controlling. He didn't 547 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: want any of the Miss Americas to have boyfriends. And 548 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 1: one of my one of my friend's boyfriends, brought taco 549 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: bell to our house, says Betty Maxwell, Miss America twenty sixteen. 550 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: The next day, my tour manager comes in and said, 551 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: somebody called Sam and told him that they saw your 552 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: boyfriend spend the night with you. We have to get 553 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: on a conference call. I got reamed out by Sam 554 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: Haskell for something I didn't do because it was her 555 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: girlfriend's boyfriend. They're very very anti boyfriend because they want 556 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: you to look like your America's sweetheart. They're triallable, right, 557 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: They're trying to be feminists and me too and all 558 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: these things. And at the same time they're not thinking 559 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: about any young They're not thinking that any young twenty 560 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: something is dating someone. The paranoia and control rolling behavior, interesting, 561 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: paranoid and controlling behavior, that's how they were respected. 562 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: Could be the Sun's problem, right, Yeah, he apparently was paranoid. 563 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. He would tell the Miss America girls that some 564 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: of the Miss America's work as spies for Haskell and 565 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: would let him know what people were saying about him, 566 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: what people were saying about Miss America. So he scared 567 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: the Miss Americas to death, thinking that, I guess I 568 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: can't talk to anybody. I can't say anything about Sam 569 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: Haskell because they're all spies. 570 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: Man. So he wanted to maintain sort of that virginal, 571 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: dateless Miss America image. So you know, men would look 572 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: at that and go, ah, I can have her. 573 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: This is what he wroted about Mallory Hagen, that Hagen 574 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: needs to have a blood test because we lost count 575 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: of the number of men she slept with at twenty five. 576 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: Haskell referred to Mallory Hagen as gross and huge and 577 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: the the other former Miss Americas have to ostracize her. 578 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: So now this. 579 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: Requirement he happens only while you were serving as Miss America, 580 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 2: or even if you were a former Miss America. Yeah, 581 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: to maintain this image. I can imagine it's just while. 582 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: You're your reign is well yeah, I don't know. I 583 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 3: don't know. 584 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: That would sound really crazy. He's trying to get all 585 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: that Miss America's controlled like this. 586 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: He drove Mallory Higgen crazy. I I drank a lot 587 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: of alcohol and I was I stood on the top 588 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: of my building and if it wasn't for my relationship 589 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: with my parents. She said she might have jumped and 590 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: she called He called Sam Haskell. The third the dad 591 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: called former Miss America's quote forever sea words, oh and 592 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: a pile of malcontents and has beens. 593 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: You know, if his son had probably murdered these three people, 594 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 2: he wouldn't be back on the spotlight with a story 595 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: mountain but might not have even paid attention to So 596 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: there are it's an entertainment special. 597 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: This severe mental illness runs in the family here. 598 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it's starting to look like. Yeah, paranoia control, 599 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: Isn't that weird? Yeah? I don't know what triggered this 600 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,719 Speaker 2: guy that the day in that household where he apparently 601 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: chopped them all up, but yeah, or what kind of 602 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: life he had as a kid. Yeah, you know, I 603 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: said the sun was just doing TikTok videos. That totally 604 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 2: did do something. You really have a yeah, a big job. 605 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: All right when we come back, We're gonna welcome back 606 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: to the show. Rebecca Peterson. She's been on a couple 607 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: of times before. This is the woman that was nearly raped. Well, 608 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: walking down a sidewalk in Long Beach, guy comes up 609 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 2: behind her a vagrant named Miguel Avila, and he's got 610 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: his pants down, lifts up her dress and she falls. Fortunately, 611 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,239 Speaker 2: a bystander scared Avola off, apparently with pepper spray, as 612 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 2: we learned later. So this story went from a misdemeanor 613 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: from the La County DA's office to a felony. But 614 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: now there is another update in the story. And I 615 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: think Rebecca said it really well in the last paragraph 616 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: of this story from the City News Service. Her quote, 617 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: really frustrating to hear that they want to put six 618 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 2: months time and effort into this man's case when they 619 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: wouldn't even put that much effort into finding out if 620 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: he actually committed to misdemeanor or a felony. And what 621 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 2: we're talking about is apparently this man is now going 622 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 2: to get a six month mental health evaluation. The case 623 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: has been deferred till next May. All right, we'll talk 624 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: to her about it next. 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