1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We are 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: live at Freedom one oh four point seven, as we 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: will be on both Wednesday, Today, Thursday and Friday, our 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 2: new Washington, DC area affiliate. We appreciate all of you 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 2: listening in the DC metropolitan area and certainly around the 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: country and indeed around the world. We've been talking about 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: the fallout from the disastrous failure of the media to 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: accept Gaza propaganda that Israel was responsible for killing five 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: hundred people in a hospital attack, when in reality, a 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: Gaza originating missile that was fired at Israel, based on 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: all of the evidence, appears to have failed and actually 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: hit a parking lot nowhere near It appears five hundred 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: people were actually killed. We don't know what the actual 16 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: number is, but that number much smaller than five hundred, 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: and it appears the responsibility of the Hamas and terrorist 18 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 2: state that exists in Palestine. So that is the latest information. 19 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: The second round of speaker voting underway. Jim Jordan has 20 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 2: failed to get the full number that he needs to 21 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: be a road from where we are broadcasting in Northwest 22 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: d C. We have had a second speaker vote fail 23 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: for Jim Jordan to be elected. We'll see what happens 24 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 2: from there. I want to take some of your calls, 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: but first I want to play a couple of cuts. 26 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: This is from MSNBC. They were talking about the hospital bombing. 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: I believe this was last night. As much of the 28 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: propaganda was being repeated as truth, they wanted to let 29 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: you know on MSNBC that the Israeli army, well they 30 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: say things in the past that turned out not to 31 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: be true. They desperately wanted it real to be responsible 32 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: for this hospital bombing. This is what you most likely 33 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: missed of the conversation going on on MSNBC. 34 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 3: The Israeli military at this point is not providing any 35 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: evidence to back up its claims that this was a 36 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: Palestinian Islamic Jahad rocket. They are citing intelligence that they 37 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 3: have not yet made public. We should also say that 38 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: this kind of death toll is not what you normally 39 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: associate with Palestinian rockets. These rockets are dangerous, they are deadly. 40 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: They do not tend to kill hundreds of people in 41 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: a single strike in the way that Israeli high explosives 42 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: do have. 43 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 4: The potential to kill hundreds of people. 44 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: And we should say finally that there are instances in 45 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 3: the past where the Israeli military has said things in 46 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: the immediate aftermath of an incident that have turned out 47 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 3: not to be true in the long run. 48 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: Buck direct propaganda in favor of Hamas airing on MSNBC, 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: all of which ended up being under true. These are 50 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: the people who want to lecture us on misinformation and 51 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: disinformation and the fact that they need to be stewards 52 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: of the truth. They immediately gobbled up the lie that 53 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: Israel was responsible. And this is what it sounded like 54 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: if you were listening to left wing media last night. 55 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 5: They wanted to believe yes, And when you want to 56 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 5: believe something and when there's no consequences for being wrong, 57 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 5: this is what you get. This has been true about 58 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 5: the media and a whole range of issues now for 59 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 5: a long time. Most notably you could say on all 60 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 5: the Trump Russia collusion stuff, not to take us down 61 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 5: that rabbit hole, but the Trump Russia collusion narrative, Clay, 62 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 5: all the people who were believing every I mean, they 63 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 5: believe the video that supposedly existed of Trump to Dossia 64 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 5: all that stuff. They were wrong about it all, but 65 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 5: they wanted to believe it all. And because their audience 66 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 5: also wanted to believe it, they were never held to 67 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 5: account for it. And that's something that you'll see here 68 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 5: as well. MSNBC is a very left wing audience, right. 69 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 5: MSNBC's viewers are disproportionately people who are going to have 70 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 5: sympathy for and that's not even the right word, but 71 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 5: are going to be generally more favorable toward Hamas and 72 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 5: the Palestinian cause than they are toward Israel. But also, 73 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 5: none of this made, none of this made any sense. 74 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 5: As I said, I mean one of the reasons. Not 75 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 5: only was it Hamas propaganda to get from the get go, 76 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 5: meaning there was an explosion, and this is what Hamas 77 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 5: tells us. And as we heard Benjamin Nialhu say Hamas 78 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 5: is on the same moral plane is Isis. He actually 79 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 5: said it's even worse than isis in some ways. So 80 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 5: that should have been a major point of caution and 81 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 5: believing in the narrative. Also, why would Israel do this 82 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 5: right now with the whole world's eyes on Gaza. If 83 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 5: Israel wanted to just blow up buildings and kill hundreds 84 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 5: of people. That could destroy every building in Gaza, and 85 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 5: there's absolutely nothing that the Palestinians would be able to 86 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 5: do to stop them. They won't do that because they 87 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 5: are trying to fight a moral war, as much as 88 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 5: it is possible to fight a moral war, or to 89 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 5: fight with basic humanity and decency in mind. You know, 90 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 5: they are allowing humanitarian resources now to begin to flow. 91 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 5: They are trying to tell some of the neighboring Arab states, hey, 92 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 5: can you take some of these refugees. But we saw 93 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 5: clay again that the people who are hostile toward Israel 94 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 5: ran with this narrative right away. And just one thing 95 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 5: I'd put out there. It's long been known that Hamas 96 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 5: will store weapons and munitions in sensitive sites so they 97 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 5: can claim that they are the victims of war crimes. 98 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 5: They will store mortars, rockets, etc. In mosques, in hospitals, 99 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 5: in schools, because then when the Israelis say we got 100 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 5: to take out these missiles, it's oh, look, they blew 101 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 5: up a school. So given the scale of we don't 102 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 5: know what the casualties yet are. I believe it's not 103 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 5: yet confirmed. But given the scale of what happened at 104 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 5: this site. You know, I think you have to take 105 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 5: in the possibility that not only did Palestinian Islamic jihad 106 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 5: fire a rocket that fell short and hit the hospital, 107 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 5: it might have hit and created secondary explosions if the 108 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 5: Palestinian or if the if Hamas was storre ammunitions there. 109 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 5: I mean, that's a possibility. I'm not we don't have 110 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 5: evidence of that yet, but given the scale of the 111 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 5: explosion and given the scale of what they say the 112 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 5: casualties are, that's certainly something that we may see more 113 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 5: information on in the hours ahead. 114 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 6: Uh. 115 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: Also, we've seen a lot of pro Hamas protesters. A 116 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: little bit earlier in Washington, d C. During a Senate 117 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: Foreign Relations Committee hearing, a pro Hamas protester screamed out, 118 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: this is what it sounded like on on Capitol Hill 119 00:06:44,200 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: a little bit earlier. So she's screaming out there if 120 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: you had trouble hearing that. Senators eight hundred international human 121 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: rights lawyers called on the state to intervene to stop 122 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: a genocide in Gaza. She says, you're committing genocide and 123 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: Gaza genocide in Gaza, and we're funding it. 124 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: This is what is going on in d C. 125 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: I'd presume that she was taken out of the committee 126 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: hearing and potentially charged with the crime. I don't know 127 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: exactly what her ability to get into the building was. 128 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: She does not sound particularly well adjusted or erudite in 129 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: her understanding of international relations. That said, she does reflect 130 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: the really over emotionalism, the hysteria with which people who 131 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: viewed this Palestidian cause. Remember, the Palestinian cause for the 132 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: left in America is the fusion of anti racism because 133 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: they are brown, Islamophobia because they are Muslim, although not 134 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: all Palestinians are Muslim, they're actually Christian Palestinians too. But 135 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: you know, so it's it's anti racism, is lamophobia, anti colonialism, uh, 136 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: anti US imperialism in terms of foreign policy, or Israeli 137 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,679 Speaker 2: imperialism as a you know, junior partner of the US 138 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: in their construct here. That's it all comes together in 139 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: this victimology, uh victimology narrative or there's this victimhood narrative 140 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 2: that has really brainwashed a lot of people. I mean, 141 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: if you can't have moral clarity about the situation now 142 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: given what just happened, when when can you? And by 143 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: the way, do we have. I thought Douglas Murray was 144 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: phenomenal recently on TV. Can we get that clip guys 145 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: where Douglas Murray was talking about because there's this notion 146 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: of proportionality and what is proportionate in this circumstance. Well, 147 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: I'll call for that in the next one, because we 148 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 2: gotta we gotta track this clip down, because I think Clay, 149 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: that's always that always becomes part of the of the 150 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: effort to just make it impossible for Israel to respond 151 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: and say, well, everything Israel does because it's a more 152 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: militarily and economically powerful state obviously than Gaza is unfair. Meanwhile, 153 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,479 Speaker 2: if you were looking at this in a historical context, 154 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: Israel is constantly acting with extreme restraint given that power imbalance, 155 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: and given the attack that it just suffered. Yeah, let's 156 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: go ahead and take some of these calls. By the way, 157 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 2: a lot of you have lined up wanting to talk 158 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: about a variety of things that we've discussed in the 159 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: first hour plus of the show. Nick in North Carolina, 160 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: you want to talk about the speaker battle. Jim Jordan 161 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 2: just lost by twenty two votes on the second ballot. 162 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: He lost by twenty votes on the first ballot. What 163 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: do you got for us? 164 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 7: Nick, thank Clay, Hey Buck. First of all, thank you 165 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 7: for what you guys do day in and day out. 166 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 4: We need this, all of you. 167 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: By the way, Oh yes, sir. 168 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 7: Before I get in on that, I just want to say, 169 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 7: I don't know what is going on out there and 170 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 7: move bat lane. But us here in the sand Hills, 171 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 7: we stand behind Israel. So yes, that out there, but 172 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 7: our congressional reps are making us look like morons on 173 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 7: the world stage. I think we are just sick and 174 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 7: tired of it. All your listeners out there, I don't 175 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 7: care if your congressional reps are with Jim Jordan or not. 176 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 7: Before you to call all of them, tell them to 177 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 7: stand up and speak with the others. Let's get this done. 178 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 7: Let's get our country back on track. You got work 179 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 7: to do. 180 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: I agree, Look, Bucking, both Buck and me believe that 181 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: Jim Jordan is the right choice. 182 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: And if I were right now in Washington, d C. 183 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: As a congressman, I would have absolutely no doubt at all. 184 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: I would immediately dive right in. I would be all 185 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: about Jim Jordan's So there were twenty two no votes, 186 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: you can certainly reach out to your congressman and try 187 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: to battle. 188 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 5: We sat here and we said, there will eventually be 189 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 5: a speaker. Your life will not change dramatically based on 190 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 5: who the speaker is. This is a lot of inside 191 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 5: baseball stuff going on going around on Capitol Hill, and 192 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 5: you know, I hope that there's something that comes out 193 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 5: of this that isn't just mostly some petty interpersonal squabbling 194 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 5: and people feeling like but you know that's Congress, right. 195 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: This is all a part of that process. 196 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 5: As I've said, the biggest thing that needs to happen 197 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 5: for Republican members of Congress now is figure out how 198 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 5: to win a big majority in the next election cycle. 199 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 5: I mean, I think that matters more than anything else 200 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 5: they could possibly achieve. We have do we already do 201 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 5: Mike in Texas. No, we haven't done mine, Mike in Texas. 202 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 5: What's going on? 203 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: Hi, guys, I think you just hit the nail on 204 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 4: the head. You said life will go on after the 205 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 4: re elected the speaker. Where life may. 206 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 8: Not go on? 207 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 4: Is this the mental status of the member? He's not 208 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 4: just the president's commander in chief. Yep, you guys said 209 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 4: in the last guy said in the last segment, He's 210 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 4: not the one calling those shots right now. 211 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: It's blinking And that's my best guest. 212 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: By the way, the scary thing is, we don't really 213 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: know who was calling shots in the White House. But 214 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: I don't believe it's Joe Biden. 215 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 4: My my congressman is Jackson, who was the former uh 216 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 4: physician for the presidents. 217 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: That's right. 218 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 4: And I told his office that said, I believe the president. 219 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 4: I mean, we're on the Virgin World War three and 220 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 4: we're you know, we're talking about little piddy stuff. Uh 221 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 4: that this is this is I mean, I'm. 222 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: You're talking, thank thank you for the call. Look you 223 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 2: remember you're talking. He's talking about like the battle in over. 224 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: Who the House speaker is is relatively inconsequential when Joe 225 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: Biden has us on the precipice of World War three. 226 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 5: Isn't it fascinating how much talk there was under the 227 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 5: Trump administration about the twenty fifth Amendment. I mean there 228 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 5: were whole news all the time. There were whole news 229 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 5: cycles just devoted to you. Oh, someone in Trump's inner 230 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 5: circle is saying they're going to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment, 231 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 5: which would remove the president from office because of incapacity 232 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 5: to do the job. That was absurd. Under Trump, he 233 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 5: was they could hate him, which they did, they could 234 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 5: not like his decision making, but there was no basis 235 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 5: for a twenty fifth Amendment invocation under Trump. I think 236 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 5: you're starting to see that there should at least be 237 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 5: discussions about that. 238 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: With Biden. There should have been for a long time. 239 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 5: You shouldn't be right, it doesn't, but it doesn't even 240 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 5: get talked about. 241 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: No, you're one hundred percent right. Let's get this last 242 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: Let's get this last call in. Then we'll go to 243 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,599 Speaker 2: break Todd in Hendersonville, Tennessee, just north of Nashville. 244 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: Todd, what you got for. 245 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 8: Us, hey, Clay and Buck. Thanks for what y'all do 246 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 8: being patriots for this country. 247 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. 248 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 6: My. 249 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 8: My problem is I want Jim Jordan because I know 250 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 8: what he's about, and he's, you know, a force to 251 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 8: be reckoned with in my opinion. But I'm afraid that 252 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 8: these twenty are so sell out Republicans may go with 253 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 8: Hakeem Jeffries. What do you guys think this is? 254 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: Buck? 255 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 5: Buck will unwilling to consider this. I say no, Clay 256 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 5: thinks that this could actually happen. But I mean the 257 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 5: Republicans might as well just all quit, Like they might 258 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 5: as well just all give up if they hand over 259 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 5: the speakership to a Democrat or some kind of. 260 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: A joint share agreement. 261 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: Here's here's my concern, Buck, don't underestimate politician's ability to 262 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: screw up things, particularly based on what I have seen 263 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: when they are Republicans, Like there are so many fights internally. 264 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I think think that principle. 265 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 5: Is usually true. Yeah, I think in this case, Clay, 266 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 5: I mean, good lord man, I'm not sure. 267 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: Buck, let me just toss this awful idea out when 268 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: they were going to go to break It may not 269 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: be Hakeem Jeffries as a Democrat speaker. 270 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: But would these twenty join with. 271 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: Democrats to put a moderate aka very borderline Republican as 272 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: I think they. 273 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: Would all be losing their jobs and losing their political 274 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: careers if they did so. 275 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: But the longer this goes on, the more I worry 276 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: about a really stupid result. It should be Jim Jordan 277 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: Hillsdale College, one college I can think of offhand, requires 278 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: every undergrad to take at least one full term course 279 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: learning about our constitution. That's consistent with what Hillsdale College 280 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: stands for. They've been explaining and defending our nation's freedom 281 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: since the college was founded in the mid eighteen hundreds. 282 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: One way they do that's by reminding us of what 283 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: the Constitution says. To that end, it starts with you 284 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: having an easy to read copy of the actual document, 285 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: simple as that. Their goal is to give a million 286 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: Americans who don't have a copy of the founding document 287 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: their very own. Hillsdale pays for the postage. It's yours 288 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: for the asking. Order your free copy right now at 289 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: Clayanbuck for Hillsdale dot com. Every American should have a 290 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: copy of the Constitution and our Declaration of Independence. In 291 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: these days when most schools neglect to teach our kids 292 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: about our nation's great heritage of liberty, it's more critical 293 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: than ever to make these documents readily available to them. 294 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: To claim your free copy, go to Clay and Buck 295 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: for Hillsdale dot com right now, complete a simple form 296 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: and get that booklet through the mail. That's Clay and 297 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: Buck for Hillsdale dot com. 298 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 5: Clay Travis at Buck Sexton Making sense. 299 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 7: In an insane world. 300 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. 301 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 5: We're going to be diving into the latest because we 302 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 5: are here in DC, we'll be talking about the Speaker's 303 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 5: race and also the state of the twenty twenty four 304 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 5: race and how things are shaking out on the public. 305 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 5: Inside here, we have a guest joining in just a 306 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 5: couple of minutes. We also will have the top of 307 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 5: the next hour in studio with us here in DC, 308 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 5: Senator Ted Cruz, who will no doubt comment on the 309 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 5: fact that Clay is drinking a pumpkin spice lot today, 310 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 5: just gonna just gonna say, and he likes it, and 311 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 5: he likes it. But you know what, Clay, I appreciate 312 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 5: that you go full pumpkin spice latte and don't you 313 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 5: don't hold back. 314 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 2: Well, I certainly understand why anyone out there listening right 315 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 2: now can totally reject any opinion that I've shared on 316 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: any subject today. 317 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: It deserved with this coffee choice, it does look very tasty. 318 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 6: Though. 319 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 5: Online identity theft is a crime that happens without a 320 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 5: specific incident sometimes right, I mean, there's no bad guy 321 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 5: you can see, you don't actually have a visual on it. 322 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 5: So this is a crime where a cyber hacker gets 323 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 5: a hold of your information and uses it online to 324 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 5: pretend to be you, and technology makes this so much 325 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 5: easier for the bad guys these days. Just think what 326 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 5: AI is going to be doing to this in the 327 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 5: future as well. You need someone to have your back. 328 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 5: It's important to understand how cybercrime and identity theft are 329 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 5: affecting our lives. Your best defense evidence of wrongdoing. It's 330 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 5: easy to help protect yourself with LifeLock. Save twenty five 331 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 5: percent off your first year with promo code buck. Go 332 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 5: to LifeLock dot com use promo code buck, or call 333 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 5: one eight hundred LifeLock. 334 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show joined now 335 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: by Chris Christy. He is former governor of New Jersey 336 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: running for the office of President of the United States. 337 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: The primary is ongoing next month will be the third 338 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 2: Republican primary. It seems like every time you're on with us, 339 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: there's major breaking news, Governor, so I appreciate you joining us. 340 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: You obviously went through I think you prosecuted a lot 341 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 2: of the nine to eleven terrorists. If I remember you 342 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 2: were involved in that process when you saw in New 343 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: York City and certainly Dearborn Michigan, all over the country, Sydney, London, 344 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: all around the world. Paris people rallying in support of 345 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 2: Hamas and Palestine in the wake of the brutal murder 346 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: in the terror attack of over fourteen hundred Jewish people. 347 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: Were you stunned or did you think that there was 348 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: a sickness on the left in this country and it 349 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: might well reveal itself in response to this terror attack. 350 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 6: The latter, I think there's a sickness in this country 351 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 6: that also is manifesting itself in some real anti Semitism 352 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 6: out there, and so, you know, I think the combination 353 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 6: of the two is really really disturbing for us as 354 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 6: a country, because what we need to be showing here 355 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 6: is that we stand up for the principles that this 356 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 6: country was found on, which is freedom and liberty and 357 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 6: freedom of expression, but freedom of religion too, and these 358 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 6: things are all being completely trampled on by folks. We 359 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 6: see this in our universities too. I mean, it has 360 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 6: absolutely sickened me what I've seen from some of the 361 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 6: most prosperous universities in this country, and the lack of 362 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 6: leadership that's being shown in those places as well is 363 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 6: really disgraceful. 364 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 5: Govin Christy, thanks for being here with us. What do 365 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 5: you think about how the Biden administration has responded thus far. 366 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 5: I mean, Biden's speech on Israel was pretty good, But 367 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 5: in terms of the posturing, the decision making, the visits, 368 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 5: what do you think has done has gone the way 369 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 5: it should hear? And what would you think that the 370 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 5: Biden White House should do differently at this point given 371 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 5: the very high stakes. 372 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 6: Well, I think first off, you know, his lack of 373 00:20:53,960 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 6: leadership around the world has led to these problems. You know, 374 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 6: all these things are connected, and you're talking about Ukraine 375 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 6: and Israel, the activism of China all around the world, 376 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 6: Iran sponsoring terrorism all across the world, and the Biden 377 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 6: administration at least at some point giving them six billion 378 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 6: dollars to go ahead and ext sport more. Those are 379 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 6: his failures now since the attack. I give him credit 380 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 6: for the things that he's said. I think he has 381 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 6: said the right things, and I think he said them 382 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 6: as well as he can say them. You know, look, 383 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 6: he's not an order of any of any order anymore, 384 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 6: and he's not going to inspire people. But he has 385 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 6: said the things that were needed to be said, and 386 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 6: I think that's been an important part. And I give 387 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 6: him credit for going over to Israel. I mean, I 388 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 6: think showing physical solidarity with Israel right now we need to. 389 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 6: You know, I know it's been reported often already, but 390 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 6: you know, the loss of life over there is significant. 391 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 6: And I think we all who went through nine to eleven, 392 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 6: which you referenced before, I remember when Tony Blair came 393 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 6: to sit in the in the gallery when President Bush 394 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 6: gave his speech after nine to eleven, and the physical 395 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 6: presence of our closest European Allies leader, I think was 396 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 6: really important to make America feel like we had folks 397 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 6: who understood our pain, understood our loss, that we're standing 398 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 6: with us. And so I give President Biden credit for 399 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 6: physically going over there and standing with the Israelis on 400 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 6: that one. 401 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: Should Jim Jordan be the next Speaker of the House 402 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: in your mind. 403 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 6: I don't think he's going to be. You know, the 404 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 6: latest vote that just came through shows him losing support. 405 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 6: And this is the the awful circumstance which was created 406 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 6: by those eight folks who voted to get rid of 407 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 6: Kevin McCarthy. In my view, I don't think Kevin did 408 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 6: anything which merited him being removed from the chair. We're 409 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 6: always going to disagree with certain things that any Speaker does, 410 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 6: but I don't think get merited Kevin being removed. And 411 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 6: I think what they're now seeing is just how hard 412 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 6: it is to bring any consensus to that group. So 413 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 6: they have had Steve Scalice who's been elected to a 414 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 6: number of different leadership positions before, but can't get to 415 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 6: become Speaker. And I think with Jim Jordan now losing 416 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 6: two votes passed when he had lost the first time, 417 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 6: I think it's time for him to move on and 418 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 6: for them to try to find some type of compromised 419 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 6: person in it. And I think it's unfortunate that we've 420 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 6: been going two weeks without this. We have a lot 421 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 6: of business to do that we need to get to 422 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 6: and they need to find someone who they're willing to 423 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 6: support to let them run the House to get the 424 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 6: people's business done. 425 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 5: Gutach Christy, what do you make of the fundraising numbers 426 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 5: that were just shared seventy plus million dollars over three 427 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 5: months on Joe Biden's re election campaign, behalf by the DNC. 428 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 5: They're bringing in big numbers. It seems like we're running 429 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 5: out of time for any last minute change to happen. 430 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: How do you see that playing out. 431 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 6: Look, I've always thought, and I think I've said this 432 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 6: to you guys before was on the show. I think 433 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 6: Joe Biden is going to be the nominee. And I 434 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 6: think he's going to be the nominee because he wants 435 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 6: to do it, and I think his family wants him 436 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 6: to do it. And that's the end of the conversation. 437 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 6: Most of the time with most candidates. If you want 438 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 6: to run for president of the United States and you 439 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 6: want to do it and your family wants you to 440 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 6: do it, very few other people have influence on that decision. 441 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 6: It's a very personal one. So I've always thought that 442 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 6: Biden was going to be the nominee. And as to 443 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 6: the seventy million bucks, it's good to be the incumbent 444 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 6: because you know you're the incumbent, you can raise a 445 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 6: ton of dough and that's exactly what he's doing. 446 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: Do you think Donald Trump, if he's the nominee, do 447 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: you think he would beat Joe Biden in a rematch 448 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 2: or do you think he would lose. 449 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 6: I think he'd lose. I think he's lose because I 450 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 6: think because I think that the circumstance of Donald Trump 451 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 6: has only worse than since he lost to Joe Biden 452 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 6: in twenty twenty, with the constituencies that he needs to 453 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 6: win back to win back the presidency. And I focus 454 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 6: particularly on suburban voters, and even more specifically on suburban women. 455 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 6: And when you look at and I've looked at a 456 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 6: lot of polling, as you might imagine being a candidate 457 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 6: in his race, when you look at the polling, he 458 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 6: does so badly with suburban women. He did very badly 459 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 6: in twenty twenty, much worse than he did in twenty sixteen. 460 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 6: And he's even worse off with suburban women now. I 461 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 6: don't think there is a plausible way that Donald Trump, 462 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 6: if he's the nominee, wins the presidency again because he 463 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 6: can't win that constituency back. And in places like suburban Phoenix, 464 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 6: suburban Philadelphia, suburban Pittsburgh, suburban Detroit, suburban Milwaukee, suburban Atlanta, 465 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 6: those six states with that suburban population, he lost those 466 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 6: states in large measure because he lost those votes. And 467 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 6: he's worse off now with those folks that he was 468 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 6: four years ago. 469 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 2: Okay, if you're right on that thesis, how many people 470 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: running right now, do you think would beat Biden. Let's 471 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 2: presume that Biden is the nominee. I presume you think 472 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: you would be Biden because you're running. Who else do 473 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: you think would beat Biden? And at what point if 474 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: you have that casis, does it make sense to coalesce 475 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: for everybody running hey as an anti Trump option, as 476 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 2: opposed to there being seven to eight of you, At 477 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: what point should it be a one v one in 478 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: your mind? 479 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 6: Look, I think that's always the political scientists and the 480 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 6: donor's argument of how this gets done, that they would 481 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 6: like that done early. I think if you have enough 482 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 6: belief in yourself to actually run for president, it's very 483 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 6: difficult to leave before anybody votes unless you run out 484 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 6: of money. Now. I think that there will be some 485 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 6: candidates who will run out of money between now and 486 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 6: when we vote in January. And I think there's a 487 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 6: number of candidates who are currently in the race. We 488 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 6: know Ace Hutchinson didn't make the debate stage the last time. 489 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 6: A number of others who had declared never made it. 490 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 6: I think we're going to lose a few off the 491 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 6: debate stage again before we get to the debate in 492 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,719 Speaker 6: Miami on November eighth. I think if you don't make 493 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 6: the debate stage, it's very difficult to continue to sustain 494 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 6: a campaign. So I think we could be down to 495 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 6: four or five candidates by the time we get to Iowa, 496 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 6: and I think Iowa New Hampshire will probably do the 497 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 6: job of winnowing this down, if not to a one 498 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 6: on one race, to a three person race, and South 499 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 6: Carolina may be the one that takes it to a 500 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 6: one on one race. 501 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 5: I want to ask you about, drawing on your time 502 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 5: as a federal prosecutor, the gag order against Trump in 503 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 5: this DC trial. What do you think ends up happening 504 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 5: here with Judge m Chuckkin putting in place restrictions by 505 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 5: court order on Hey being able to criticize the special counsel, 506 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 5: et cetera. 507 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: How do you see that going and is she going 508 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: to enforce it? 509 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 6: Well, look, I think that what she's trying to do, 510 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 6: if we give him my experience, is she's trying to 511 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 6: send a very clear message to the defendant and to 512 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 6: defense counsel that just because he's running for president of 513 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 6: the United States doesn't mean he's going to be able 514 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 6: to act significantly differently than any other criminal defendant. The 515 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 6: fact of the matter is this wouldn't be tolerated at 516 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 6: all from any other criminal defendant. And so I think 517 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 6: she's trying to send a message with the order that 518 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 6: she hopes he follows, that will will come. It will 519 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 6: come as a great surprise to her that he's not 520 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 6: going to care. That's who Donald Trump is. He's not 521 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 6: going to care. He's going to continue to escape right 522 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 6: at the edge off, not go over it. And then 523 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 6: she's going to have a very tough decision to make. 524 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 6: My guess is that with a normal criminal defendant, you 525 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 6: might actually revoke their bail and put them in jail. 526 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 6: I don't think she's doing that with Donald Trump, but 527 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 6: I do think that she might if he does something 528 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 6: pretty egregious, imposed monetary fines that he'd have to pay 529 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 6: immediately as a way of sending a message. So my 530 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 6: guess is that that's where she goes. He's being dramatic. 531 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 6: I'll go to jail if I have to exercise my 532 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 6: constitution the rights. Let me just say this, Fellows, I've 533 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 6: known Donald Trump for twenty two years. He ain't going 534 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 6: to jail for anybody. He's scared to death to going 535 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 6: to jail. And by the way, it's a pretty logical thing. 536 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 6: If you're seventy seven years old, you shouldn't want to 537 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 6: be in federal prison. It's not a good place to 538 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 6: be for anybody, but certainly not for someone of his age. 539 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 6: And you know, as far as the constitutional stuff is concerned, 540 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 6: you lose some of that when you're indicted by a 541 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 6: grand jury four times. And the fact is there are 542 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,719 Speaker 6: rules that apply to this, and he can't be attacking witnesses, 543 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 6: attacking jurors, potentially attacking court personnel or the prosecutors. But 544 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 6: she did say very clearly he could continue to say 545 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 6: that he thought that the the indictments were politically motivated. 546 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 6: So I think she crafted something that in the main 547 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 6: deals with one of the most unusual circumstances, if not 548 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 6: the most unusual criminal prosecution we've had in the history 549 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 6: of our country. But in the end, I think I 550 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 6: think he's being dramatic. They won't put him in jail, 551 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 6: and I don't think he would willingly go, despite his 552 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 6: bs that he's saying out there right now. I think 553 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 6: in the end, if he does violate these things, more 554 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 6: likely than not it would wind up being financial penalties 555 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 6: and not jail. 556 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: Final question for you, More likely Cowboys win the Super 557 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: Bowl or Donald Trump wins the presidency in twenty twenty four. 558 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 6: Oh, that's a good one. I'd say more likely the 559 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 6: Cowboys win the Super Bowl. Yeah. Look, I think the 560 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 6: Cowboys it really hurt when we lost Trayvon Diggs, you know, 561 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 6: out of the secondary, and that's going to be turned 562 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 6: out to be if we don't win the Super Bowl, 563 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 6: the biggest loss of the year. But I think if 564 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 6: you're putting and those twip against each other, more likely 565 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 6: the Cowboys win the Super Bowl. 566 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: Hey, Governor, I'm taking Trump more likely to win in 567 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, the Cowboys to win the. 568 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: Super Why don't we all have a bat on that one. 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Clay 604 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 5: and I are here in our nation's capital and it 605 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 5: is a swamp but does have some good restaurants, does 606 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 5: have some good pumpkin spice lot Dyes. 607 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let me get away with the pumping spot. 608 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: You know I could. I could let them do it. 609 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 5: Although you know, I did want to take a scooter 610 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 5: in because they have those scooters in the streets here 611 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 5: to this the other star true, and I realized Clay 612 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 5: would definitely take a video of me and I would 613 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 5: definitely live to regret scootering around through the studio. So 614 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 5: we'll get into all the news of the day with 615 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 5: Senator Taed Cruz here in just a few minutes. I 616 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 5: had mentioned before Douglas Murray, who is a just a 617 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 5: really smart analyst and author. He was on British TV, 618 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 5: but he dealt with this issue that comes up in 619 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 5: the context of vision and gaza of proportionality. I want 620 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 5: you to hear the question and answer here from Douglas Murray. 621 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 10: Play it the siege of Gaza, cutting off all supplies 622 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 10: of fuel, the electric lost electricity plant that's gone, there's 623 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 10: no electricity, there's no running water, there is no food 624 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 10: going in there, no other fuel supplies going in. Borders 625 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 10: closed that Egypt as well. The ziarly little criticism of 626 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 10: Egypt for that. Interestingly, is that and while raining down 627 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 10: missiles on buildings which they know are going to kill civilians, 628 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 10: we know and hundreds of Vilians have already died, many 629 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 10: of them children, is that a reasonable proportionate and moral 630 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 10: response by Israel. 631 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 11: There is some deep perversion in Britain whenever Israel is 632 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 11: involved in a conflict, and it is the word you 633 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 11: just used, proportion proportionate, proportionality. Only Britain is really obsessed 634 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 11: with this. I've heard it for the last few days incessantly. 635 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 11: Proportionality and conflict rarely exists. But if we were to 636 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 11: decide that we should have this fetish about proportionality, then 637 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 11: that would mean that in retaliation for what Hamaz did 638 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 11: in Israel on Saturday, Israel should try to locate a 639 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 11: music festival in Gaza, for instance, and good luck with that. 640 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 11: Should try to find a music festival in Gaza and 641 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 11: rape precisely the number of women that Hamaz raped on Saturday, 642 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 11: kill precisely the number of young people that Hamas killed 643 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 11: on Saturday. They should find a town of exactly the 644 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 11: same size as a town like Starot, where I've been 645 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 11: many times myself, and make sure they go to door 646 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 11: to door and kill precisely the correct number of babies 647 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 11: that Hamas killed in Sterot on Saturday, and shooting the 648 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 11: head precisely the same number of old age pensioners as 649 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 11: were shot in Sterot on Saturday. 650 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: Just to choose one town. 651 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 9: Proportionality and conflict is a joke, and it's a very 652 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 9: strange British concept which we've had that only the Israelis 653 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 9: in a conflict, when they are attacked are expected to 654 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 9: have precisely the proportionate response. 655 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: I think he absolutely nails at Clay. 656 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 5: And because whatever Israel does, the people that despise or 657 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 5: dislike Israel will just say is wrong, and they will 658 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 5: criticize it, and they'll say it's disproportionate, and there is 659 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 5: never going to be a similar response from Israel to 660 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 5: Hamas is what Hamas did to Israel, because as you said, fuck, 661 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 5: it's the difference between civilization and abject fail to civilise, right, 662 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 5: That is what Hamas represents. This is not a difficult 663 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 5: situation and there is no moral equivocation. 664 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 2: And we've seen that. That was so well said by 665 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 2: Douglas Murray. But we've seen that. That's why the hospital story, 666 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 2: which is false, spread like it did because the media 667 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 2: in this country, on the left desperately wants Israel. 668 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: To be as bad as Hamas they are. Not Hamas 669 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: is the bad guy.