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Speaker 1: fifth of November twenty twenty, and this is episode fifty

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Speaker 1: three of the Luke Thomas Live Chat right here on

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Speaker 1: the Morning Combat Channel. Hi everyone, my name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: You guys know me from this place, from a lot

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Speaker 1: of other places. Blibertybliberty, blobberty, blobbitty. I'm from Showtime, CBS Sports.

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Speaker 1: You guys know the whole deal. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining me. All right, a lot to get to.

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Speaker 1: Been a busy week for a lot of people. Still

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Speaker 1: some fights tonight, there are some fights on Saturday. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot to get to. So thumbs up, Yes, hit

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Speaker 1: without further ado, let us get this party started, shall we?

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Speaker 1: Where is it? Okay? And it is, Jesus, where is

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Speaker 1: this fucking thing? Here we go? All right, there we

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Speaker 1: have it. Let's see if I can throw this up here.

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Speaker 1: See if that works? No, sure doesn't. Hold on, there

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Speaker 1: we go, that might work better? Yes, uh yeah, hit

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Speaker 1: that sub button, subscribe do all the fun things that

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Speaker 1: you need to do. Thanks everyone who's tuned in. I'm

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Speaker 1: a little disheveled because, like a maniac and a moron,

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Speaker 1: I continue to lift weights in my front yard. No

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Speaker 1: are like, oh, you should lift weight with him, lift

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Speaker 1: the best spar and not sparting part of the best

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Speaker 1: a little bit better. There should be a little bit

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm not opposed to, like lifting with like

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna be responsible for your health outcomes.

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Speaker 1: That's just the way it's gonna go, folks. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: the Morning Combat Channel, now, how's a vanity URL so

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Speaker 1: you can just go to YouTube dot com slash morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: It's up and uh ready to go. Okay, good, good

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Speaker 1: return on responses here. All right, First question, I really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed you on JR. Was there anything like this is

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Speaker 1: not have seen it is the following, and I'll make

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Speaker 1: it quick, which is that I don't think you can

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Speaker 1: do the job that I do, or any kind of

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Speaker 1: similar job in media. He called me a journalist again,

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Speaker 1: You guys know, I don't really self identify that way anymore,

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Speaker 1: but media, certainly I think I would call myself. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can do the job effectively. I

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Speaker 1: really don't whether you're a journalist or not. If you

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Speaker 1: have a job at MMA Media, you cannot do the

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Speaker 1: job effectively and accurately if you don't fully grasp the

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Speaker 1: idea that the fighters, while they bring problems on themselves

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Speaker 1: and they are the only ones who can save themselves

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Speaker 1: in the end. It is also true that they are

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Speaker 1: qu uniquely disadvantaged relative to the other power structures in

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Speaker 1: the sport. You can't you cannot do the job correctly

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Speaker 1: without it. And so when we begin to unpack some

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Speaker 1: of those things and go into them more, it was

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Speaker 1: when some of the stuff got brought up. But dude, like,

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Speaker 1: if you can't talk about these kinds of issues on

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan's podcast, you know, which is the forum for

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Speaker 1: like all kinds of different I mean, who preceded me

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Speaker 1: in the week that I was on or I guess

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Speaker 1: was that or the week before it was like God,

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Speaker 1: I don't know pronounce his last name, Sad, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was Sad. I don't pronounce it. But he's sort of

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Speaker 1: like a something of I'm familiar with his work more

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Speaker 1: than the proper pronunciation of his name, sort of one

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Speaker 1: of these a kind of classic academics. Glenn Greenwald, who

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Speaker 1: is nothing. I mean, I have a deep admiration for

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Speaker 1: the work that Glenn Greenwald has done, you know. And

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Speaker 1: Tristan Harris, who was a digital ethicist. I knew if

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Speaker 1: Tristan Harris from his work years ago. When Ezra Kline

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Speaker 1: interview interviewed him. You know, he's been out there, just

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Speaker 1: been an acolyte for all these kinds of things. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these are people that are sharing. These are very much

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Speaker 1: people that in a number of ways go against the grain.

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Speaker 1: And yes, Joe doesn't necessarily have, you know, a direct

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Speaker 1: relationship to Google or the Intercept or Academia per se.

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Speaker 1: But it's a place, and it's a platform for people

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Speaker 1: who are supposed to be able to share, you know,

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Speaker 1: funny stories, but interesting ideas. And I don't know how

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Speaker 1: interesting my ideas are, but they're a little bit outside

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Speaker 1: the norm I think in MMA, you know, or at

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Speaker 1: least these are viewpoints that don't get hurt enough. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he hadn't even heard very much about the Ali act

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Speaker 1: or whatever, and so you know, it's supposed to share

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Speaker 1: viewpoints like that. What has been the biggest MMA behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes moment of your career if you were able

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Speaker 1: to share without pissing someone off, where you witnessed or

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Speaker 1: overheard something that never has or probably never will be

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Speaker 1: discussed openly. I had a UFC fighter I won't say who,

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Speaker 1: and this was a while ago, so nobody current who

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Speaker 1: told me that they were addicted to painkillers and used

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Speaker 1: marijuana to get off of it. That's not the most

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Speaker 1: like amazing story. I'm imagining that. There's probably several stories

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Speaker 1: kind of like that. But that was one of those

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Speaker 1: moments where it was like, you know or you know,

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Speaker 1: I've seen UFC fighters get drunk and you know, say

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Speaker 1: off the cuff stuff, But that was one of those

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Speaker 1: moments where it was like that was like a real

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Speaker 1: that was a real how do I say it? That

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Speaker 1: was a day it was It was very personal in

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Speaker 1: the way he shared it. I'll put it that way.

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Speaker 1: What I was defeated in court today by soccer player

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Speaker 1: Mama du Saco Crystal Palace FC in the EPL. It

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Speaker 1: took four years. He had lost his place in the

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Speaker 1: French national team for the Euros and was transferred out

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Speaker 1: of Liverpool. He had the money to go to court

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Speaker 1: for four years and win, although he has been playing

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Speaker 1: soccer in the intervening four He will win a huge payout.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be possible for fighters to win something like this,

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Speaker 1: their careers would have been over right. So I mean

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Speaker 1: the fighters are in an interesting position because the ones

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Speaker 1: who have more money, like a Jones or you know,

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Speaker 1: if it came to it signa or something, or you

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Speaker 1: know somebody who's a champion a championship level, who's headlined

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Speaker 1: pay per view and gotten some pretty big fat checks,

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Speaker 1: they actually do have the money to challenge it. And

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Speaker 1: in fact, you know, part of the thing, the reason

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Speaker 1: why you saw then this is for a WAT And

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Speaker 1: I've not kept up with this case, so, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've read a couple of articles about it, but I

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Speaker 1: don't know the details in any kind of expert way.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things about antidoping scholarship, but I

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Speaker 1: told Joe this, it's pretty clear two things have happened.

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Speaker 1: One so the more you have like these open heavy

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Speaker 1: punishments four years, eight years, the more that if the

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Speaker 1: athlete really wanted to challenge it, the burden of proof

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Speaker 1: to really hammer that kind of punishment home, the harder

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Speaker 1: it becomes. Not impossible. You've seen some examples of it

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Speaker 1: where it was challenged in court, but it becomes oftentimes

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Speaker 1: they get the fees reduced because there's all kinds of

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Speaker 1: sort of due process ways to undermine what has happened.

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Speaker 1: And that's the other part too. It's like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: one thing if you go and hammer some Olympic athlete

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Speaker 1: who doesn't have a lot of money. But when you

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Speaker 1: saw itam wants to take money. I mean part of

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Speaker 1: the reason partly like why does you saw to do

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Speaker 1: what they do with the UFC. I treat him as

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Speaker 1: a client because you saw it as annual budget. It's

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Speaker 1: only twenty million. Now that sounds like a lot. That's

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Speaker 1: not that's very low. They don't have the resources if

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Speaker 1: someone really wanted to hammer them and really wanted to

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Speaker 1: take them to court, you know, and there's an arbitration process,

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Speaker 1: but if they really wanted to find other ways to

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Speaker 1: go after them, they don't have the resources to combat

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Speaker 1: a lot of that. So if you have these heavy

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Speaker 1: handed punishments and you've got rich athletes, those rich athletes

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Speaker 1: are probably going to find a lot of ways to

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Speaker 1: fight it. And I think John is is a pretty

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Speaker 1: clear example of that. Whether you think he's guilty or not,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're going to find any number of ways

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Speaker 1: to challenge the process. Speaking of John, should he take

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Speaker 1: excuse me, should he look to take a fight before

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Speaker 1: he fights for the belt to avoid ring rust? I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's been a ring rust kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: You know he can take time off from fights, come

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Speaker 1: back and he looks like a million bucks. He's not

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Speaker 1: one of my top figures for concerns related to that.

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Speaker 1: And what's the best matchup for John and heavyweight to fight?

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Speaker 1: Is not for the title. The Curtis Blades fight, to

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Speaker 1: me is kind of interesting. It could be wrong about that. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Francis is a big one. Stepe is a big one.

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Speaker 1: I still would have wanted to see DC up at heavyweight,

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Speaker 1: but maybe that wouldn't have been that different. But those

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Speaker 1: are This was the three I have my eye on

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Speaker 1: after the insane knockout on Halloween. What are your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on Dravante's chances if he went up against Loma in

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Speaker 1: a fight next year? Well, first of all, Davante, I

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Speaker 1: saw a report. I don't know if it's been confirmed

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Speaker 1: that he was involved in a hit and run. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how true that is. So if it's not true,

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Speaker 1: then and listen to what I'm saying, double check what

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Speaker 1: I am saying. If it is true, it's like, dude,

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Speaker 1: what on earth are you? I mean, get it together, guy,

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. All right, I don't know how true that is.

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Speaker 1: So you're asking about against Loma. I think Loma beats

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Speaker 1: him right now. Loma has big I think Loma is

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Speaker 1: the best guy at that weight personally. That's my I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like Dravante is probably the heaviest puncher,

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Speaker 1: and I think Ryan Garcia is a big step behind

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Speaker 1: all these guys. Devin Haney is good, but a big

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Speaker 1: step behind she, Chris Stephenson, Jerry still out a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But to me, Gravante and then Loma still floating out

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Speaker 1: there as well. But you know, Gervante is the heaviest

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Speaker 1: puncher and a very good boxer between them. But for me, oh,

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Speaker 1: he went against Loma. Sorry, I was thinking about Lopez.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me. Lopez is the one who I think is

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Speaker 1: the best. If you're asking about Lopez, even Lomachenko I

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Speaker 1: think might beat Jervonte right now. In a year or two.

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Speaker 1: Remember Dravante is only what twenty five In her year

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Speaker 1: or two, that won't be the case right now. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Dravante just made his moved to pay per view. You know,

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Speaker 1: Leo Santa Cruz was his first real like no BS

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Speaker 1: elite level opponent. Excuse me, I misunderstood the question. I apologize,

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Speaker 1: So no I think he still has from a developmental standpoint,

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Speaker 1: I think he still has some work to do, and

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Speaker 1: even Lopez I think beats him because Lopez Lopez. This

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Speaker 1: is what folks missed in the early going, not the fight,

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Speaker 1: but just when the fight was announced. Lopez's decision making

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Speaker 1: is extraordinary. It is so good, both in terms of

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Speaker 1: his strategic approach his fight IQ. Lopez, His fight IQ

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Speaker 1: is excellent, excellent, very very good, and almost in a

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Speaker 1: way where like, you know, Lomachenko has you know, phenomenal

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Speaker 1: fight IQ as well, but he has sort of like

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Speaker 1: a sort of series of patterns that he goes to

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Speaker 1: which he should, where he's developed him over the years,

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Speaker 1: and his fluidity within them is just beyond description. But

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Speaker 1: Lopez doesn't quite have that. But what he does have

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Speaker 1: is the reactive decision making. My god, he is brilliant

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Speaker 1: at it. I have not seen evidence that Jervonte is

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Speaker 1: on that level yet. Who will be the UFC's first

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Speaker 1: female color commentator? Laura Cenko Angela hill fighting experience for

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Speaker 1: Angie makes me want to bet on her. She's a

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Speaker 1: good She's a good candidate. I'd like to see Laura

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Speaker 1: get an opportunity at it obviously. I think she's done

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Speaker 1: it for in Victa. Angela Hill would be a good one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they need to try more out is the answer,

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Speaker 1: because beyond those two, I know Misha Tate was get

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Speaker 1: making the rounds when she was still with the UFC,

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Speaker 1: but she's over with one, and so, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think that's off the table. I'm just I don't have

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Speaker 1: a good grasp on who else it might be because

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Speaker 1: we just don't rotate him in very often. But Laura Cenko,

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Speaker 1: you know, my personal opinion, I think her analysis is

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Speaker 1: as good as anybody's in the sport. Very very sharp understands,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I think she gets pigeonhole into these

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Speaker 1: roles where you know, she's sidelined reporter. She can do

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Speaker 1: that job. She's she's good at it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that that's like the full I don't know that that's

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Speaker 1: maximizing her talents. And Angela Hill, I think it has

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Speaker 1: rapidly gotten good at broadcasting. You know, Angela Hill is funny.

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Speaker 1: She did we did this symposium with Professor Nancy Kidder

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Speaker 1: from American University at UFC DC so about a year

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Speaker 1: ago when the UFC came here, that was the Overine

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Speaker 1: Rosenstrike fight, and we had a panel I think the

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Speaker 1: day before whereas me and it was Dan Stupp and

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Speaker 1: Esther Lynn and Karen Bryant, and there was some other

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Speaker 1: folks on there as well, Charles Digisco and and Josh Rosenblat,

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Speaker 1: there's some other ones. And uh, Angela just sort of

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Speaker 1: showed up. She just came as like an audience member

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Speaker 1: with her mom, by the way. Her mom, sweetest lady

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Speaker 1: in the world, couldn't be nicer. And Angela was like you.

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Speaker 1: They were asking her questions. You know, UFC fighter shows

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Speaker 1: up in the audience, they're gonna want to talk to

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Speaker 1: her too, you can imagine. And I thought her answers,

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Speaker 1: whether I agreed or disagreed, you could tell they were thoughtful, right.

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Speaker 1: You could tell that she had, you know, she had

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Speaker 1: considered pieces of evidence as it appeared to her and

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Speaker 1: tried to make sense of it and had some ideas

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Speaker 1: about the world. I think she, you know, like anybody else,

633
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Speaker 1: they need some more practice. I've been doing it for

634
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: fifteen years and I'm still barely okay at it, you know,

635
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,239
Speaker 1: and some are obviously going to get better quicker than

636
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: I am. But I'm just saying, you know, she clearly

637
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: has some ability, but probably you know, some more opportunities

638
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: at that analyst desk, and you know sky's the limit,

639
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: But I would like to see more try it out,

640
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't know who else is a

641
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: candidate now. Valentina Chefchenko might actually already be the answer

642
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: to your question, because Valentina has done it in Spanish

643
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: for the Spanish broadcast. So Valentina was a color commentator

644
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: for the last UFC pay per view and did it

645
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: in Espanol. I don't think without much issue, So I

646
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: guess what you're saying is first English language, because Valentine

647
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: has already crossed that threshold. Who would you like to see?

648
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: What would you like to see more Derek Lewis versus

649
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: Anthony Rumble Johnson at heavyweight or Paulo Costa versus Anthony

650
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: Johnson at middle or light heavyweight, assuming Rumble can still

651
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: make the dramatic cuts and Paulo moves up. Lewis versus Johnson,

652
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: I'll prefer to see that. You stated you weren't upset

653
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: in not seeing a GSP versus Habib fight, but are

654
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: you upset at the fact we didn't see Habib against

655
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: an Ousman or Koloby, who provide an offensive wrestling style

656
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: that Habib had not faced yet in UFC, or even

657
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: a masvitof or a BMF title, someone who's very difficult

658
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: to hold down. Maybe a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I

659
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: still think that some more time spent at lightweight would

660
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: have been fun to see, you know. And I'm the

661
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: first one to believe that. I don't think there's a

662
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: lightweight alive who could have beaten him, But you know,

663
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: that's just my opinion. I don't I don't know that.

664
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: So a Chandler fight, a rematch with Connor, you know,

665
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: maybe finding a way to make a Ferguson fight, depending

666
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: on how he looks, all of these things to be

667
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: would have been kind of interesting. But you're right, Yeah,

668
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: somebody who's you know, a natural one seventy year and

669
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: Kolby's not a huge one sevent year, although he is

670
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: bigger than Habib, that would have been interesting, right because

671
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: for all the reasons you articulated, how would he deal

672
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: with the pressure from them and how successful his pressure

673
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: beat on them? Although somebody messaged me, I don't know

674
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: how true it is, and apparently like sort of gechee was, Oh,

675
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: you know what. I don't even want to repeat it

676
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: because I don't know how real it is. So but

677
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: suffice to say, habeb, you know strong as shit for

678
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: one fifty five? Is that true for one seventy? Yeah?

679
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: I would have liked to have seen that. Have you

680
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: used any of the virtual reality headsets? I was wondering

681
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: if there'd ever be a way where you could watch

682
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: UFC pay per view events at home while wearing your

683
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: VR headset with a cage side seat. Was just a

684
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: thought if I had after they announced no fans in

685
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: the arena. I don't know much about that. I know

686
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: what you're meaning, Like you put on one of those

687
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: like oculous rift headsets and then you can kind of

688
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: look around and you know, see everything. It'd be cool

689
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: if they can give if you listen, man, all this

690
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: stuff is cool if you can pull off the technology.

691
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: Can they pull it off? Like, the only reason you

692
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: would want to do that is if it really enhanced

693
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: the experience. If you couldn't be there, you know, okay,

694
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: you can't be there, but for I want to make

695
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: up something. For one hundred bucks, you can get a

696
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: VR seat and you can watch from you know, with

697
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: your Oculus rift headset, and you know you put it on,

698
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: you were like, holy shit, this is amazing. You can

699
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: see so much more here, and it's you know, it

700
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: really brings to life the experience in a way that

701
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: short of being there, that's the next best thing is

702
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: the technology there on this kind of stuff. You know,

703
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: may maybe the gamers wouldn't know better than me, but

704
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: I don't think that it is. But as an idea, yeah,

705
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: I love the idea. That's cool. So when I asked

706
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: here again, did you get to cover all you wanted

707
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: to with Rogan? Did you like the experience? I could

708
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: listen to you too, talk all day about fights. It

709
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: was fun. Man. You know, you don't get a lot

710
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: of opportunities to have fun having conversations. The whiskey he

711
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: gave me was good. It was really good. I forget.

712
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: I'd have to text him and see if you can

713
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: tell me which one it was. I'd love to have

714
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: it again. It was. It was delicious. He had great whiskey,

715
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: which kind of loosened me up to go back to

716
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: the first part again. There are other things. We could

717
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: have discussed, a million things, but you know, I'm not

718
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: going to complain. And did I enjoy the experience. Yeah,

719
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: it was a little bit nerve wracking at first, but

720
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: it was fun. It was really really fun. And you know, man,

721
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: I've been grinding them, you guys know, I mean, it's

722
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: so funny. I've seen you know, God Jesus christ Man,

723
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: people have not been this nice to me since like

724
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: my kid was born or my wedding day. I mean,

725
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: it's been I gotta tell you that everyone who has

726
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: sent a nice note, Jesus, thank you. I've been overwhelmed.

727
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean I've got DM I've got honestly four hundred dms.

728
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: I haven't even gone through yet. Email after email after

729
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: email after email after email. I'm like, I've been inundated,

730
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: you know. And I had, dude, I had my when

731
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: I got out of when I got home off the

732
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: flight from DC. I landed in DC local time at

733
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: four pm and I fired my phone back up. I

734
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: must have had one hundred text message. I mean, it

735
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: was shocking how much like people have reached out. They

736
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: have been so nice. I had old friends from college,

737
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: I had you know, you know what, I'll even give

738
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: him credit, you know, who actually said something nice to me.

739
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: He actually reached out, and I'll give him credit for it,

740
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: and I and I told him I appreciated it. You know,

741
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: we didn't bury the hatchet or anything, but Ali reached

742
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 1: out to me even he texted me something nice. So Ali,

743
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: if you're watching this, thank you. I appreciate that. I legitimately,

744
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: I legitimately appreciate that. Like I couldn't. I was just

745
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: it was, it was, it was. It still is completely overwhelming.

746
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: So you know, when you've been in the trenches as

747
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: long as I have, and you've seen a lot of

748
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: your colleagues get opportunities that you know, you felt like

749
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 1: you were competitive for and you just never got the chance.

750
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I've said it before, man, you guys know

751
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: I've never been for some reason. I always make really

752
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: really not with the Joe Rogan thing, but in the

753
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: totality of my career, I usually make really bad first

754
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: impressions and then I have to slowly win back over time.

755
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: And that's really and the key to my success is

756
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: this ability over time to you know, wrote people back

757
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: in who may have gotten a bad first impression and

758
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: that's nobody's fault but my own. But you know, when

759
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: you've been you've been. I mean, I've been doing this

760
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: kind of stuff since I was twenty five. I'm forty one,

761
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm forty one, and honestly, I never thought

762
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: it was gonna come my way ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever,

763
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: And honestly, like here's a piece of advice for some

764
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: folks in the careers, it wasn't until I let it

765
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: go that it all kind of came. You know, there

766
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: was a real moment of I'm not I can't pinpoint

767
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: it exactly a few years ago, where I basically thought, Okay,

768
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: there was a window for me where if some of

769
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: this stuff was gonna happen, it would have happened by now,

770
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: and you know, it didn't. So I'm not gonna take

771
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pity myself. I feel like I can

772
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: still do fun, impactful work that people might enjoy, but

773
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: I'm to do it on my terms. Is when I

774
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: really started to invest in this space and I was like,

775
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: I can find fulfillment, you know, somewhere else, and I

776
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: just let it all go. I let go of all

777
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: those ambitions about you know, wanting to be on this

778
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: and trying to do that and you know, have this

779
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: kind of an audience or blah blah blah. It was

780
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: not until I let it all go that it all

781
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: started to happen. And I know that sounds kind of

782
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: weird and almost cliche to a degree. When I say

783
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: let it all go, what I mean to say is

784
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: you can't manufacture a design like people. I was like,

785
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: how do you quit smoking? You know, I smoked for

786
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: a couple of years in my early early twenties or something,

787
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: and not heavily, you know, a quarter of a pack

788
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: a day or something, maybe at most a half a

789
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: pack when I was in the field to try to

790
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: just stay awake at night. And I always tell people like,

791
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: how'd you quit? It's like, when I quit, I actually

792
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: wanted to quit. I like legitimately did not want to

793
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: smoke anymore. And I just stopped. And that was it.

794
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: It was. It wasn't hard for me. I had gotten

795
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: to a point where I had just been tired of

796
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: the disappointing way in which I thought my career was going,

797
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: and so I just decided to let like all those

798
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: things that kept disappointing me, I just let it go,

799
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: and I just said, you know what, I'm gonna find

800
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: fulfillment somewhere else. And once I did that and I

801
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: began to showcase myself in the way that I thought

802
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: I should have been showcased, That's when everything happened and

803
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: to overdrive and any way, to get back to the

804
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: point about you know, did you have fun? It was

805
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: an experience and everyone being nice. It's funny, man. I

806
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: get a lot of emails and dms from folks and

807
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: they're like, I've been following since the promotional Law Practice

808
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: live chat, and you know what's funny, that was like

809
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: the second or third act of my career. I mean,

810
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: I had this long run as the editor in chief

811
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: of Bloody Elbow and for a while you know, on

812
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: spnation dot com after that, and like emime fighting was

813
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: only like it came around later, and no one. I mean,

814
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some people that have been following since then,

815
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: but hardly anyone who has reached out has been around

816
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: that long, which tells you, like, you know, if the

817
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: a's fan turnover and you know, be you're gonna toil

818
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: in obscurity for a long, long long time. Anyway, if

819
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 1: there's a lesson to anybody, it's like I've said it before, Man,

820
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: you guys know you guys know how I feel about this.

821
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: You got to understand why people like you. You got

822
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: to understand why people hate you. I believe it or not,

823
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: there are some I have some reason to believe. I

824
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: have a grasp of both, not in totality, but at

825
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: least a you know, a decent understanding of it. But

826
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: more importantly, you got to understand what you like, what

827
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: makes you tick, and how you want to be showcased

828
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: to the world. And I always thought, you know, I've

829
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: said it before, dude, the places where you work and

830
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: your editors and your bosses, maybe they understand you. You know,

831
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: maybe they do. Maybe the producer who works on a

832
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: TV show understands what's what. Chances are they're real fucking

833
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: bad at it. Most humans are very very, very very bad,

834
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: maybe even including me, at talent identification. They're not good

835
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: at it. And you have to believe in yourself a

836
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: little bit. And you have to understand you may not

837
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: get the up I mean, you may not get the

838
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: opportunity to showcase that unless you just take matters into

839
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: your own hands. And that's what I did, and that's

840
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: why where I all of it like, it wasn't until

841
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: I just decided I'm going to do that where everything

842
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: just turned. You know, it's just it's comical. You know,

843
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: I wish I had to figure this dumb shit out

844
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: a lot earlier, but I didn't, you know, because you

845
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: hold onto these aspirations and then you just get tired

846
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: of it letting you down. But you know, you can't

847
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: pity yourself, and no one can take pity on you.

848
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: You're asking for pity. You got to pick yourself up,

849
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: you got to dust yourself off, You got to figure

850
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: it out. And uh, if you're right about yourself, if

851
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: you're right that the world has not understood your value,

852
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: and that maybe even you didn't understand the full breadth

853
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: of your value, and how much more you could be

854
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: doing in the right kind of thing, and how much

855
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: more there was all these avenues you didn't explore. That

856
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: responsibility doesn't fall on anybody else, falls on you. That's

857
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: who it falls on. Always remember that your boss may

858
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: not realize who you are. Your people around you may

859
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: not realize who you are. No one can fix that

860
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: except you. It's a long way to answer a question

861
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: that was not asking about that. So sorry about that.

862
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: Even though we don't know it now, could Zabiit and

863
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: Yayar become the next Tony and Kabeb Hubib in terms

864
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: of wanting everyone wanting to see the fight, but it

865
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: keeps falling through a little bit a little bit. But

866
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: also that fight meant something different because you're talking about

867
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: the two best or was assumed the two best lightweights.

868
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: That's not what you have with Zabit and yay or

869
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: not yet. Anyway, As you want to censor fighter's speech,

870
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: it's amazing how much of my critics have absolutely the

871
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: worst listening comprehension skills imaginable. Okay, as you want to

872
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: censor Fighter's speech, what are your thoughts on Israel spelled wrong?

873
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: Constantly mentioning John Jones spelled wrong dead? Mum? Is that

874
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: the equivalent to what Connor and Colby have said? First

875
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: of all, here's the point that I have made. It

876
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: is not that I desire to get up in the

877
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: morning and censor the speech. Is that at some point

878
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: you have to ask yourself, is there nothing that anyone

879
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: can say that whatever be worth reprimand right, and not

880
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: really reprimand but action from an organization. Understand, the UFC

881
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: already used to do this kind of stuff, and then

882
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: they dialed it back. And the only reason in my

883
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: opinion that they dialed it back because the code of

884
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: conducts still exists on the books, is because the more

885
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: you enforce that, the more you begin to blur the

886
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: lines between independent contractor and employee. And they don't want

887
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: to really go down that road. So like them backing

888
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: off is not some like Madisonian appreciation for the need

889
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: to have free speech in society. It is a calculated

890
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: business move to preserve their long term interests. Okay, so

891
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: you can, y'all, y'all can believe that this is some

892
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: kind of wow. We really you know, you know, uh,

893
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: we we appre we appreciate what was the French magazine

894
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: they got in all kinds of trouble Charlie Ebdo. Like

895
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: while we really appreciate what Charlie Ebdo is doing, and

896
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: you know in challenging uh you know, certain religious practices

897
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: that preclude free speech. It's got nothing to do with it.

898
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: Number one. Number two, you know are I mean, it's

899
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: ask yourself and your answer might be different on this.

900
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: I don't know that there is a right answer, but

901
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: I think it's certainly worth having a conversation. Should should

902
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: a fighter get up there and be able to, you know,

903
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: call a black opponent on stage at an event the

904
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: N word forget about social media, like like my my

905
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: Perry does face to face on mike, and no one

906
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: should be able to say. I mean maybe your answer

907
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: is yes. I would tend to think that that would

908
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: fall badly on all the different kinds of relationships. If

909
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: you're the UFC that you're trying to maintain. I don't know.

910
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: I mean, ESPN is going to be pretty hands off.

911
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: That might even be a line that they begin to cross,

912
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: and so at some point, yeah, preserving your business interests

913
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: might be kind of good. Also, like, what do you

914
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: what kind of message do you want to send to

915
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: the world if there is I mean, there's no top

916
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: down pressure to be decent. Now to your point, his

917
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: comments about the dead mom, this is nothing I would

918
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: ever say ever in a million years, as somebody who

919
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: has a mother who has been who is deceased doesn't

920
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: feel too good when people make comments about it. You know,

921
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: I could you know, I hurt Stephen talk about it.

922
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: So I heard what he said, which is that you know,

923
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: John brought up all this other stuff first and so

924
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: this is kind of a response and blah blah blah. Yeah,

925
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna say mean nasty things to each other.

926
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: This is probably at the limit of or be on

927
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: the limit of tastefulness. But I don't know that it's

928
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: worth you know, you only want to pull that card again.

929
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: When we're talking about limits on speech, we're talking about

930
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: like the very least you could do, the absolute like

931
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: when you only have to get involved. Do you have

932
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: to get involved for something that is tasteless and awful?

933
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: Maybe not. It's when it starts to get to a

934
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: really poisonous territory where you know, when Connor and Habiber

935
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: going back and forth, it's like, if there's an audience,

936
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: and this is obviously pre pandemic, is there going to

937
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: be violence because of the things that they have said.

938
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: You know, you have to really kind of worry about

939
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: that a little bit. That's when it begins to say

940
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: when you you have to begin to really recognize, I mean, guys,

941
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: you can say what you want. Even the Supreme Court

942
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: has noted that there are wide swaths of speech that

943
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: are totally legitimate, but even they have put some limits

944
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: on it. And of course that's a different consideration than

945
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: what a private entity might make about it's independent contractor talent.

946
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 1: But even then there are these are questions we're thinking about.

947
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: But it's like the idea to get up and be like, well,

948
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: here's the right thing to say, here's the wrong thing

949
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: to say. Dude, I'm granting them wide latitude. I'm merely saying,

950
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: maybe it's not true that they can literally say anything

951
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: that they want to each other, and it'd be good

952
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: to live in that world. I don't know how controversial

953
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: that actually is. People love to hear what I say

954
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: and either not understand it or misrepresent it or exaggerate

955
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: it as a way to feed something. I mean, these

956
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: are people who read super shitty, you know, low quality

957
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: news that sort of center around preformed ideas, preformed identities,

958
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: and then they try and like shove everything in that

959
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: because that's the conduit by which they understand the world,

960
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: rather than sort of the complexity of is there nothing

961
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: out of bounds? Really truly nothing? And maybe you feel

962
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: that way, but then we should state that that there's

963
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: literally nothing out of bounds. Uh, Look, what are your

964
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: thoughts on Tutor or Tez getting elected for Huntington Beach

965
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: City Council. And by the way, even the UFC I

966
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: guarantee would start. I mean, can you imagine if a

967
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: fighter gout there and just started railing on Dana and

968
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: not like not in I'm talking like, you know, mentioning

969
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: his stuff with this lawsuit where he was extorted, you know,

970
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: and just going on at Dana into his face about that.

971
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: You don't think that they would say something to him

972
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: about that later or whoever ended up doing that. You know.

973
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: So this whole again, it's it's free speech as a

974
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: function of business interest, which is okay, you got to

975
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: preserve them. Just understand it for what it is. God

976
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: we believe, and you know they like you playing Lee

977
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: Greenwood in the background, proud to be an American. You

978
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: think that's what this is. Come on, y'all, don't be

979
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: so naive. All right, Look, what are your thoughts on

980
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: tutor or he's getting elected for Huntington Beach City Council.

981
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: What are the odds he actually sees through the term

982
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: when he realizes all the boring shit you have to

983
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: do that has nothing to do with all the dumb,

984
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, ridiculous, brain damaged, deranged qan non things. He's

985
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: been floating forever. What happens when he realizes that ninety

986
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: nine percent of the work has nothing to do with that?

987
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know does he actually make it

988
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: the full term? I kind of wonder Number one. Number two,

989
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: It's like there's a lot of people in this world

990
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: who can't quite tell the difference between somebody who actually

991
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: wants to and can do something versus somebody who can

992
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: self promote them in a way that makes it look

993
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: like they want to and can do something. And I

994
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of people. I mean, Tito is

995
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: very good in self promotion. You know, he has a

996
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: million stumbles with words. You know, I don't know if

997
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: he's got some kind of condition or something, but you know,

998
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: he's not an especially articulate speaker. I don't think that's

999
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 1: very controversial to say, but you know, you underestimate Tito

1000
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: if you think he's not good at capturing people's attention

1001
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: one way or the other. And he's very nihilistic about

1002
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: it too. You like me, you hate me, whatever, as

1003
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: long as you're tuning in. He's always been kind of

1004
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: good about that. He's been he's been a self promoter

1005
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: for what thirty years, you know, twenty five years, something

1006
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: like that. And he's been doing this a long time.

1007
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: He's sort of got it down to a science about

1008
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: what to say and where to go and what to

1009
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: do to get people's attention, and you know, to varying

1010
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: degrees of success. But it's not I sort of get it.

1011
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: It's like, how fucking dumb do you have to be

1012
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: to hear his ideas about the world and be like, yes, check,

1013
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: you know. So he's probably running on into a degree

1014
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: on celebrity star power. You know, I would imagine that

1015
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: the area in which he lives has a degree of

1016
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, he is aligned himself with a certain political identity.

1017
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: There's probably some people, you know, not a totally insignificant

1018
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: number of people who align with that, and so he

1019
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: probably got some votes from that, you know, but most

1020
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: people like this. It's like when you actually see what

1021
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: the world of government looks like, and it's way more

1022
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: boring than you imagined, and way more difficult and glacial

1023
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: in its approach to any kind of change and bureaucratic.

1024
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: You know, when you really see how the sausage is made,

1025
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: you see all of these like on both sides. He's

1026
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: like these spirited go getters, I'm gonna go and change Washington. Man,

1027
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna do shit, you know, or these other

1028
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: people who are like, oh, Washington is run in this

1029
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: kind of a way, and I realize this is just

1030
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: city council boats sort of making a different point, right,

1031
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: And then you see them get there and they're like,

1032
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: oh right, this is not even close to what I

1033
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: thought it would actually be. Okay, all right, you know,

1034
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: but then they use the platform for other things, which

1035
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: is book deals, when they get out some gig on

1036
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: cable news for both parties. You know, there's a lot

1037
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: of people who just want the shine that comes with

1038
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: running for office and even winning it, but not actually

1039
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: doing the work that goes into what it means, which

1040
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: is often tedious and boring and uh, you know, unfulfilling

1041
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: and difficult. And you know, Tito getting elected one time,

1042
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't think is all that surprising. Whether he finishes

1043
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: the term or gets re elected or elected anything else,

1044
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: I think that would really be surprising. Look, why don't

1045
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: you think the Habiban Artam incident isn't talked about enough

1046
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: in relation to the bitterness in anger? McGregor has towards Habib.

1047
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Connor was a victim, but didn't Habib

1048
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 1: started by doing what he did to Artem. We're gonna

1049
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: legislate this again. Everyone everyone acted inappropriately. It's like, do

1050
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,959
Speaker 1: you fly on a fucking plane. I'm gonna my friend's honor?

1051
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: What are you? Fifteen? If Izzy beats Jan and goes

1052
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: on to fight Jones, okay, it seems whatever the outcome

1053
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: could cause some issues. What happens to a Izzy if

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Speaker 1: Jones wins that fight, and what happens to the two

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Speaker 1: five division? If Jones likely to moves straight up to heavyweight.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of questions here. Let's go

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00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: one at a time. If if Jon loses to Izzy

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00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: two o five, Izzy will likely drop one belt, I

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00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: don't know which one, and I'm guessing they're gonna make

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00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: the heavyweight fight after that. But at that point there's

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00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: two titles won't be relevant anymore, and I doubt they

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00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: let him go title fight to title fight the title fight,

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Speaker 1: although you never know, I guess we'll see question. Did

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00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: you read Trent Ryan Smith's rain Smith I'm not sure

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00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: to pronounce it his article on Greg Hardy's post fight

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00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: presser people and commentators seem like they may be finally

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00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: trying to dismiss his past. I did not. I did not.

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00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: I saw that Greg Hardy was like, no one's ever

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00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: found me guilty, blah blah blah. Well they did find

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00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: him guilty, and then later on the whole thing came

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00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: undone by a virtue of him challenging various parts of it,

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00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: and then the victim or the alleged victim or I

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00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: don't even know how your label anymore, if he got guilty,

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00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: was a victim or alleged I don't know, not essentially

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00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: cooperating with the judicial process, and so the whole thing

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00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: eventually was, you know, came undone. But you know, was

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00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: there an act in time where he was found guilty? Yes?

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00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely that this one thousand percent true. Would you rather

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Speaker 1: take Brian out for a nice seafood dinner dressed as

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00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: a woman or take a fight with Francis. I'll take

1081
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: Brian out dressed as a woman, because then I can

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00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: just totally mock him. How nervous were you with the

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00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: podcast with Joe? A little bit nervous beforehand, but it

1084
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: went away pretty quick. And have you seen a rise

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00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: in your numbers across the platforms. Yeah, I added about

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00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: a thousand subs on YouTube, about three thousand on insta

1087
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: few hundred on Twitter. Not too much there. Stuff like

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00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: that promised I didn't. The one thing I think I

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00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: did a really bad job on as I was very

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00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: bad about plugging anything. And it might look intentional, and

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00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: in a way it was, but not the way it

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00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: might sound like. I was like, I don't know if

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00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: I should plug anything because I didn't want to be

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00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: that guy who goes on there and just like, you know,

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00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's felt unseemly to go on there

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Speaker 1: and be like and so I'm going to insert the

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Speaker 1: word morning Combat and YouTube dot COM's life Luke Thomas

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00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: into every conversation, and I just didn't want to do that.

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00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: But in retrospect, I probably went too far the other way.

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00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: Joe threw me a bone in the comment in the

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00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: description of the video, he tags me and he tags

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00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: this channel, so you know, in all's well, that kind

1103
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: of ends well, And you know, I do think that

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00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: it brought I mean again, a lot of people saw

1105
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: that shit. It was amazed at how many people saw

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00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: it except my dad. My dad didn't even know it

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00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: was on. But you know, I probably could have done

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00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: a better job. If I ever get the chance to

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00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: go back on, I will do a better job. I

1110
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,959
Speaker 1: felt a little bit bad about it, but I also

1111
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: just I don't know. You go on there and people

1112
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: just plug the shit of your stuff. It makes you

1113
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: feel like a whoror. I've had it happen to me

1114
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: where people just go on there and like I'm gonna

1115
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: plug this and plug that, and they just do it endlessly,

1116
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: and you're like, fucking hey, I get how it goes,

1117
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: but stop. How does a basement biden effect the UFC?

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00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: This was so funny about this election. I gotta say,

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00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what y'all did on election night. You

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Speaker 1: know what I did. I went to bed early. I

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00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: went to every other election night I've been there. So

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00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, I was in a hotel room in

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Speaker 1: New York City because the day after the election, we

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Speaker 1: had the media day for UFC two five, I think, right,

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00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: because that was that was when Connor fought Eddie. So

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Speaker 1: I think I had to talk to Habid the next

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01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: day and I remember asking him. I forget what I

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01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: asked him, because this was like when Trump was still

1129
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: like doing the whole Muslim band thing, you know, which

1130
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: never happened. I'm just saying he was talking about it

1131
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I had asked him about it. He

1132
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: was like, I don't care about Donald Trump or other stuff.

1133
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: It was kind of funny. But and then the twenty twelve,

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01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: which was what Obama romney, I was at a party

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01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: and then election party because hello, I live in Morriston,

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01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: d C. And then two thousand and eight I was

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01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: also in an election party as well, and I went

1138
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: to an election party. I'll never forget this. I went

1139
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: to an election party when who was the guy who

1140
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: used that the slur of Macacca, George Allen when he

1141
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: ran against Jim Webb. I was a big fan of

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Speaker 1: Jim Webb. This is a true story. Jim Webb ran

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01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: as a Democrat. But this was a guy who was

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01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: a you know, a lifelong military man, served in high

1145
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: offices in government, in the Department of Defense, you know,

1146
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: served in Vietnam. You know, had why bipartisan respect. I

1147
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: don't know why he ultimately ran as a Democrat. I

1148
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: don't quite recall beat Harris Miller locally in a runoff

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01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: to for Senator and then you know, obviously one beating

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01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: George Allen. And you'll recall I remember an election night

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01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: in Virginia. Everyone's like, why are they calling it for

1152
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: Biden when all the votes that have come in so

1153
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: far and it's like a pretty fair amount, they all

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01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: lean Trump. It's because they the Hampton Roads area of

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01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: the Richmond area, and more importantly the Northern Virginia area

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01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: to an extent Roanoke as well. These are sort of

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01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: your major much Politan areas. They leaned heavily blue, and

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01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: those are always the votes that come in last. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I was a big Jim web supporter, and I remember

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01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: the first time I ever saw Barack Obama was from

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Speaker 1: me to this camera in terms of distance, because Jim

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01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: Webb was speaking downtown Alexandria near the water. Everyone knows

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01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: knows the Northern Virginia area. And again, you know, Jim

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Speaker 1: Webb had my utmost respect, and Jim Webb was great

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01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: because a lot of my Republican friends liked him too.

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01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: And Jim Webb was speaking and I saw had an alert.

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01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, Jim Webb is gonna be speaking downtown.

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01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: I was working in Oldtown Alexandria at the time, and

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01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: I went down there and Barack Obama was stumping for

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01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: the guy. I didn't even know who Barack Obama was,

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01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: or I had barely heard of him or something, you know.

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01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I had passing familiarity with him. It was like,

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01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: from me to this camera. I couldn't believe. I was like,

1174
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: do you get the fuck off stage? Don't care about you.

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01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: I want to hear from Jim Webb. And then Jim

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01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: was not a very good public speaker, which was kind

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01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: of kind of funny anyway, but when he ran against

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Speaker 1: George Allen, I remember, George was fucking kicking his ass.

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01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: I actually went to bed thinking, fuck man, Jim Webb lost,

1180
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: and then I was where was I that night. I

1181
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: was like an old girlfriend's house and she woke me

1182
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night and she's like,

1183
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,439
Speaker 1: fucking Jim Webb won. And I couldn't believe it because

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01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: all those votes come in at the very end. Anyway,

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01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: I went to bed early. I went to bed early.

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01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck this shit. You know, I'm not

1187
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: paying attention because here's what's gonna happen. Y'all know I'm

1188
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: no big fan of Trump. So either he's gonna win

1189
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: or Biden's gonna win. But if Biden wins, it's gonna

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01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: be McConnell in the Senate. They're not gonna he's not

1191
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: gonna get shipped done. So either way, I'm not gonna

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01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: be And I don't like Biden. Y'all know I don't

1193
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: like Biden. I've been very clear. I don't like him.

1194
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think highly of him at all.

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01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: I just think less shitty of him than I do Trump,

1196
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: but barely. And uh. So I was like, either way,

1197
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: this is going to go terribly. This is I mean,

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01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, we don't win. I was like, fuck this,

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Speaker 1: and I knew it was gonna take a while too write.

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01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if Biden had taken Florida, well then Trump

1201
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: had no realistic path to victory. But he won it right,

1202
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: and he was killing with the uh with the Latino

1203
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: vote in a lot of places. And I was like, oh,

1204
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: this is gonna go on forever. So I went to

1205
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: bed Man. We still don't fucking know. It was a

1206
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: little bron about way of saying that was the best

1207
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: decision I made. Not paying attention. I'm barely paying attention.

1208
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: Now it looks like Biden may eke it out and

1209
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: again he's going to face McConnell in the Senate and

1210
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: they're not getting anything done. So that's going to be funny.

1211
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: But how would a win affect the UFC? Well, it

1212
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: might get it might might might give life to the

1213
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Speaker 1: ALI Act. There have been a lot of efforts within Congress,

1214
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: through lobbying efforts to get by the way. The guy

1215
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: who's promoting it, Representative Mark Wayne Mullen, is a Republican,

1216
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: to be one hundred percent clear about that, he's the

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01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: main sponsor of the bill, I think the author of it.

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01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I've been led to believe by folks

1219
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: who have been working on that on Capitol Hill that

1220
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: the lobbying efforts from the UFC have undercut it and

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01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 1: that Trump would veto it. I don't think Biden would

1222
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: veto it. But the question at this point is, Okay,

1223
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Speaker 1: you get it passed out of the House, isn't it

1224
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: just going to die in the Senate? I mean probably right. So,

1225
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: assuming you could get it out of the House, which

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01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: maybe you could, and assuming you could get it past

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01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: the Senate, which I I don't think you could but

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01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: let's say you could, would Biden probably sign it? Yeah,

1229
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: he probably would. Andrew Yang, who's talked about being part

1230
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: of a Biden administration, has made this claim explicitly. But

1231
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm very skeptical of any kind of like

1232
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: legislative agenda. Here's the good news. If you guys are

1233
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: big Trump supporters, Biden ain't gonna get shit done. The

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01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: only thing he's gonna get done is you know, they're

1235
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: not probably they're probably not going to default on the

1236
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: national debt. They'll be big money for the military and

1237
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: other farm subsidies, I'm guessing, and anything Biden can do

1238
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: by virtue of executive decree other than that, they're gonna

1239
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: stonewall this guy. So I know a lot of people

1240
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: might be disheartened by the nature of how this election

1241
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: and the count is going. You know, I'm not telling

1242
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: you if your guy doesn't get elected, you don't have

1243
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: a right to feel bad about it or something, because

1244
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: it's just natural. I wouldn't worry too much, honestly, like

1245
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: Biden is going to get nothing done, absolutely nothing, So

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01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, don't don't fret too hard. I was just

1247
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: wondering if you could go into detail about your discussion

1248
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: regarding pduse and MMA and testing being theater for the uninformed. No,

1249
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: not uninformed, it is theater for low information fans. I

1250
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: don't doubt the truth in the argument, giving your experience

1251
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: in them mad media game. But what is your evidence

1252
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: with the claim that most elite talents are ducing? It's

1253
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: not the argument. I don't know if most are. I

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01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: mean if thirty percent. If I told you thirty percent

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01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: of top ten guys were using, would you consider that

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01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: a lot? I would. I would consider that a lot.

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01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't, but that would be a case where

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01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: seventy percent wouldn't right. So I don't know that most are.

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01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: I think the point that I'm trying to make is

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01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's actually the most fact. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't even need to be. You can make a claim

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01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: that relative to what I said this on Joe's podcast,

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01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: you can make a claim that relative to what athletic

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01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: commissions were doing, the introduction of Yousada has overall depressed

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Speaker 1: the amount of use that has gone on. I don't

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01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: think that that's They have not percented evidence for their claims,

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01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: but I don't think that that's implausible. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a plausible reality. But the other part about it is

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Speaker 1: if you've done that, that the people who are good

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Speaker 1: at avoiding detection, which tend to be correlated, when the

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Speaker 1: ones who either have more know how chemically or in

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Speaker 1: places where it's easier to get access to these kind

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01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,919
Speaker 1: of chemical chemicals which you know oversees for example South

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01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: America Latin America in particular, or just have the money

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Speaker 1: to find a chemist who is willing to come up

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01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: with some kind of proprietary blend for which there is

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01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: no testing, or rather easily avoids detection. You are entrenching

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01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: the already existing advantages that they have by virtue of

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01:07:55,160 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: their money. Right, that's the argument. And you know not

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01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: that like if you lifted the lid, are you democratizing

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01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: use of peds? But that advantage that they would hold

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01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: would be somewhat maybe perhaps even significantly undercut. And so

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01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: you can say, oh, well, we have less usage, right,

1284
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: but the folks who are able to get it now

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01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: not only have the access to it, they have access

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01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: to it versus a population that has no real other

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01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: means to challenge all the extra advantages. You've taken the

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01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: advantages that they had before. And you've ramped it up

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01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: to a significantly higher degree by virtue of this, so

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01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: you might have less use. But the folks who have

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01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: the capability to avoid detection, which is not necessarily as

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01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: difficult as folks might imagine, they're going to be even

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01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: more privileged than before. So you kind of have to

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01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: ask yourself what system is better for you? You know.

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01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: The thing that I try to just the one claim

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01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:58,919
Speaker 1: that I wasn't sure I was able to make expectively

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01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 1: as possible is And I'll leave it alone after this

1298
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: because I know some people get, you know, a little

1299
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: bit sick of this conversation. So I'll just say this.

1300
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: It's like I had a friend text me. You know,

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01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: here's the thing, man, this is not an argument I

1302
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: expect to win today. It's not an argument I expect

1303
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: to our effort. Older may have been some kind of

1304
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: issue there. I'm not sure what happened. Are we still

1305
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: fucking alive? I think yeah, I think we're good. I

1306
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 1: think we're doing fine. This is gonna be something it

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01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: takes a lot of time to do and understand for me,

1308
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: Like I used to I said it on Joe's podcast.

1309
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: Do I used to have like monthly conversations with Travis Tiger.

1310
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: I do not think he is a bad person. I disagree,

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01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, significantly with his worldview, but you know, he

1312
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: was accessible, he was friendly. He's not stupid, He's quite bright.

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01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: It's just that the more I dug into the research

1314
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: to verify the claims that all these antidopum folks were making,

1315
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I kept running into these roadblocks

1316
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: being like, wait a secle, this doesn't match that reality

1317
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: at all. And then I went further and further and further,

1318
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: and not onto YouTube, like I was watching you know,

1319
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: doctor Dickenballs on YouTube and he says steroids are great.

1320
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: That's not what happened here, man. These are tenured professors

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01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: at hallowed academic institutions or researcher researchers at various other

1322
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: uh uh, you know, other sporting institutions themselves, you know.

1323
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: And these are people who have advanced degrees and have

1324
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: spent a lifetime researching this, and not one of these

1325
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: academics who's like, I think there's one hundred genders. I'm

1326
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: not here to weigh on that debate. I'm here to

1327
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: wait on the ones like what about the guys, who

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01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,839
Speaker 1: are you know, long tenured math professors. We're gonna undercut

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01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: the value of academia there. I don't think that we

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 1: are so to that end. You know, you just go

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01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: over this information. Here's what I would say to everybody.

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01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: Please please this How many times have you heard you

1333
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: saw to say this? Please do not take my word

1334
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 1: for it. Do not take my word for it. Read

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01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: on your own, and not any old bullshit place the

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01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: places I recommended. Right. You could, of course, by all means,

1337
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: explore the topic and the way you best see fit.

1338
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: But what I'm telling you is confront the literature, the

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01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: academic researched literature on this, and see if you don't

1340
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: come away with maybe not the conclusions that I drew.

1341
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I can necessarily get people there, at

1342
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: least not right away. But can I get the needle

1343
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: to move in my direction? I guarantee I could do that.

1344
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: I fucking guarantee I could do that. There is no

1345
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: way an honest broker can read what I have read

1346
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: over the last five years and come to the position

1347
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: that what we have with USADA, in the UFC and

1348
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: in the Olympics is the best way to do it

1349
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,759
Speaker 1: not possible, cannot do it. The amount of things wrong

1350
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 1: with what we're doing is so far from the best situation,

1351
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: or frankly the most honest and realistic one, that some

1352
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 1: kind of reform is necessary. And I don't think you

1353
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: can have a conversation about reform until you understand the

1354
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,799
Speaker 1: complexity of the situation. I'm not saying that I'm an expert,

1355
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: but I've at least gone you know, I've spent a

1356
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: lot of time trying to understand the nuances as best

1357
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: that I can. You know, we do not have a

1358
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: complete understanding of what is happening here and all the

1359
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: forces at play. You know, the how media hysteria and

1360
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: moral panics drive all of this. That what they've said

1361
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: about pds in their harms simply not true, totally not true,

1362
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: year over year over year over year over year, and

1363
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: you have government propaganda feeding into all of it. I've

1364
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 1: said it to Joe. Show me a drug in the

1365
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: United States who has had its reputation not sullied, you know,

1366
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: illicit drug anyway by government propaganda, all of them, and

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01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 1: some of them are certainly quite dangerous, and steroids have

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01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: dangers as well. So does fucking tileanol. The question is

1369
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: to what extent is the risk involved? And yes, of

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01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: course steroids probably involved significally more risk than talentol, especially

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01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: to people who are you know, less than eighteen or

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01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: pre pubescent. Right, there are a series of harms you

1373
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: should know. But relative to the claims that are made,

1374
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 1: it's dude, there's the weight of evidence does not support it.

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01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: And I sound like a madman, I get it for

1376
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: folks who are not familiar with it. If you had

1377
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: played this video for me to me personally, look, we're

1378
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna fast forward five years. We're gonna show you this,

1379
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: I'd have been like, what the fuck have I? What

1380
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: did I become? You know, because you just feel like

1381
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 1: you have this thing figured out at least you have

1382
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: a clear sort of lay of the land, and you

1383
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: just don't realize. Dude, there is a broad debate about

1384
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:54,560
Speaker 1: what is happening, and antidoping globally is a unequivocal, dramatic

1385
01:13:54,680 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 1: failure in every way. It is a failure. Uh So

1386
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: shouldn't we take the lessons that come from that and

1387
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: use that to inform our judgment to maybe find a

1388
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 1: better way. And the last thing I would say on

1389
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: this is you know, I have friends been like, I'm

1390
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 1: really against steroids. I'm like, are you a fan of

1391
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: the NFL? You know, are you a fan of Major

1392
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: League Baseball or the NBA? You know you're talking about

1393
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: a sports league where drugs are I mean, you can't

1394
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: watch the NBA. The modern NBA doesn't exist, in my judgment,

1395
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 1: in my opinion, without the significant degree of performance entancing

1396
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: drug use that goes undetected. Same with the NFL, and

1397
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: the unions help out in that capacity. And these guys

1398
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: have a shitload of money to hire chemists inform stuff

1399
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: that no one's ever heard of or developed, and this

1400
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: just goes on and on and nobody cares. Oh, look,

1401
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: what about the health outcomes? What about the health outcomes?

1402
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: Because the NFL is the exact same way, and that's

1403
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: leaving people crippled and brain damaged, parallel and dead, and

1404
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: fans don't care. And in MMA, people leave the UFC

1405
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: and then go and compete in some organization where you

1406
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: can like juice while you're on the fucking scales, and

1407
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: all of the arguments about how important and necessary it

1408
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: is they just completely fall away. I understand if folks

1409
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: want to compete clean there should be a place for them.

1410
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: There should be a place where people who don't want

1411
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: to compete clean can also compete. And by the way,

1412
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: the word clean is just moralizing bullshit too. So there's that.

1413
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: All right enough, let's see, Oh, good question. Not long ago,

1414
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: I believe on the live chat, I recall you saying

1415
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,719
Speaker 1: you thought GSP was the goat and that the argument

1416
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 1: wasn't particularly close. More recently than MKN than a Rogan,

1417
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: you cite John Jones as the goat. Has your opinion changed? Yes?

1418
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 1: I have gone back and forth on this, probably to

1419
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: a degree that has fluctuated too much, for which I apologize.

1420
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: There are times when I look at GSP's resume and

1421
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: the level of dominance, and then you add in the

1422
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: extra weight class and it's like, now, folks want to

1423
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: bring up, oh well, what about you know, he never

1424
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: tested positive. That means nothing to me, absolutely nothing. I'm

1425
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: not in any way suggesting he was using I have

1426
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: zero evidence for that. But you know, as like, oh

1427
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 1: well he didn't you know anyone who competed in that

1428
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: era and then didn't test positive. You know that means

1429
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean anything. Who cares? And also, you know,

1430
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: again I'm sure that GSP seems like the kind of guy,

1431
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 1: but he would never do something like that. I mean,

1432
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it seems like that's not the

1433
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: kind of guy that he is. But you know what,

1434
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 1: I personally blame him if he did, given the era

1435
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: that he was in. No, I wouldn't say with Anderson

1436
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: in for a large extent, none of that stuff affects

1437
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: me at all. I'm not one of those guys who

1438
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: thinks you can draw a demarcation line and some people

1439
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,560
Speaker 1: here and some people are there. Means nothing to me.

1440
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 1: But if you look at his resume, it's pretty goddamn impressive.

1441
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: And he's got that extra He's got that extra weight class, right,

1442
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: that's the one that's interesting. John doesn't have that, at

1443
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: least not yet. And I don't even get it at

1444
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: a championship level. So like, does that matter for folks?

1445
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: You know? I go back and forth right now, it's

1446
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:08,719
Speaker 1: like for me and when I look at John's resume

1447
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: and the length and then the accumulation of wins, it's

1448
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: just hard me to overlook that there's you know, could

1449
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: I go back to GSP at some point maybe, but

1450
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: I definitely have gone back and forth on that for sure. Lastly,

1451
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: I'll do with this one. Uh who has better feints?

1452
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: Connor or Trevin Giles? That's a stupid question. Is Bryce

1453
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: Mitchell versus Ryan Hall the fight? To make? You know what?

1454
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:37,719
Speaker 1: I'd like to see it. I don't think that would

1455
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: go too well for Bryce. Maybe he could strike on

1456
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: the feet, although Ryan's pretty crafty. Crone is the only

1457
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: guy at at featherweight who I think gives Ryan a

1458
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: run for his money. There and that's it, and that

1459
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: is it. I don't think anybody else gets close, so

1460
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: it'd be fun to watch, but you know, I don't

1461
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: like Mitchell's chances in that sense. All Right, it's four twenty,

1462
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: which means I need to go and pretend I'm gonna

1463
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: smoke marijuana but instead be a dad. Let's see let's

1464
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: do this like the video. Hit that subscribe button. Let's

1465
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 1: see Morning Combat tomorrow eleven am. We'll preview the weekend's fights.

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01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: We will react to tonight's bellator and everything else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: podcast and until next time,