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Speaker 1: It's fun. It's fun for children, not necessarily parents, but

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Speaker 1: for children's fun. For murder Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Who would think that a day at Chuck E Cheese

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Speaker 1: with all of your children celebrating a fifth birthday would

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Speaker 1: was shot at Chuck E Cheese off Kimberly Road in Davenport.

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Speaker 1: It happened at around seven thirty Davenport Police in the

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Speaker 1: Scott County Sheriff's Office responding to the scene. Limited details

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Speaker 1: from police right now We're not sure who the shooting

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Speaker 1: gunned down again? Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 1: put it back together again. First of all with me.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis, psychologist instructor at Columbia University at

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Speaker 1: Debbie Joffe Ellis dot com. Robert Crispin, former cop in Florida,

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Speaker 1: and Tom Loewi special guests. Joining us from the Quad

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Speaker 1: City time in Davenport, Iowa. You were just hearing from

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Speaker 1: A Davenport mother of five was killed on Sunday night

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Speaker 1: First of all, explain to me where is this chuck

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Speaker 1: e Cheese? Well, this chuck e Cheese is kind of

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Speaker 1: four children gathered around her. And like the dad says,

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Speaker 1: who goes to Chuck e Cheese and never comes back?

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Speaker 1: But who in the hey would open fire on a

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Speaker 1: mother of five? Take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 1: WQAD News. Eight kids and parents rushed outside the Davenport

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Speaker 1: Chucky Cheese Sunday night. Police say a shooting inside claimed

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Speaker 1: the life of twenty nine year old Eloise Chairs, her

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Speaker 1: family telling News eight, Eloise was a mother of five,

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Speaker 1: including a four week old infant. According to her family,

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Speaker 1: Eloise got into an argument with another mother at Chuck

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Speaker 1: e Cheese over their children's game cards, and that's when

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Speaker 1: they say another woman pulled a gun. Police later arresting

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Speaker 1: twenty four year old Treyshonda Pallian. What about the kids,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's immediately thought for the kids. The kid

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Speaker 1: that were here, you know, for whatever reasons they were here.

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Speaker 1: And that those sounds of shots, gunshots, that those sounds

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Speaker 1: will live on with those kids for the rest of

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Speaker 1: their lives. Straight out to Tom Lowey, our special guest

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Speaker 1: joining us some quad city times, Davenport, Iowa. What happened? Well?

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Speaker 1: Who shot this mom? Treshawn Napoleon is a twenty four

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Speaker 1: year old Davenport resident. And apparently there's some argument over

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Speaker 1: a game card was mentioned earlier. You load up a

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Speaker 1: game card, it allows you to play until the dollar

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Speaker 1: amount on that game card is gone. And apparently it

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Speaker 1: was an argument over a game card. We have had

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Speaker 1: that confirmed by a number of people who are at

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Speaker 1: the scene, but that has not appeared as a motive

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Speaker 1: in any kind of affidavit. We are learning that Eloise

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Speaker 1: was shot in front of our children and according to

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Speaker 1: w QAD, blood covered all of her children. As doctor

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Speaker 1: Gallagher was pointing out, Eloise was struck in the shoulder.

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Speaker 1: It hit a main artery and caused her to bleed

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Speaker 1: out right there in front of her children. Over a

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Speaker 1: game card. Over a game card, take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at WHBF. He says the support from the

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Speaker 1: community and his family has helped him cope. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I like my mom she here, you know, she came

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Speaker 1: all away from Georgia, I mean by my side, So

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Speaker 1: that's a new plus. The woman accused in the shooting

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Speaker 1: is twenty four year roaches Shawn Napoleon, who was being

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Speaker 1: held on a one million dollar bond in Scott County

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Speaker 1: Jail and faces a first degree murder charge. I even

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Speaker 1: know how she got a gun in there though, that's right,

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Speaker 1: I'm anywhere. It was the security height. Don't take Hudson says,

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Speaker 1: growing up without a mother as a reality now to

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Speaker 1: his three and four year old sons, Well, my kids

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Speaker 1: as part of explain to me. Tom Lowe, Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa.

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Speaker 1: He really brings up a good point. How do you

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Speaker 1: get into a place like chuck E Cheese with a gun?

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Speaker 1: You just carry it in on your person. There's no

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Speaker 1: metal detector or anything like that. Let me ask you this,

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Speaker 1: it's my understanding. Tom Lowe quats City Times that the shooter,

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Speaker 1: the alleged shooter, Shondapoleon, then took off and left. Yes,

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Speaker 1: she fled the scene, and she was later located in

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Speaker 1: nearby Rock Island, Illinois, which is part of the Quad Cities.

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Speaker 1: It's right across the bridge from Davenport. So she was

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Speaker 1: located in Rock Island, Illinois, and was extradited from Rock Island, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: The shooting occurred on a Sunday. She was extradited on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Made her first court appearance the Tuesday after being arrested.

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Speaker 1: To Robert Crispin PI at Crispin's Special Investigations, Robert, I've

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Speaker 1: seen a murder over a five dollar hit a crack.

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Speaker 1: I've seen a murder over a ten dollar debt, seen

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Speaker 1: plenty of murders over divorce or infidelity, But over a

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Speaker 1: chicky cheese game card. Doesn't make sense, does it. That's

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Speaker 1: what started the argument. But clearly there was a trigger

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Speaker 1: that happened in the verbal altercation between them that led

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Speaker 1: her to do this. That was just the catalyst of

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Speaker 1: how it started. It escalated somehow, and somewhere along the

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Speaker 1: line the trigger word was said that upset the assailant

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Speaker 1: and that just pushed her over the edge. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to figure out. To Tom Loewe with

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Speaker 1: the quantity times, what about a game card made this

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Speaker 1: woman Paullian so angry? I think the allegations were that

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Speaker 1: a game card was taken from perhaps miss Chairs fun.

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Speaker 1: But what we know is that when people have guns

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Speaker 1: there their distance between being angry and tragedy is you know, shortened,

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Speaker 1: very much shortened. So it may have been a rash decision.

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Speaker 1: What we are learning from Cheers family is that they

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Speaker 1: were in an argument. She was in an argument with

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Speaker 1: the other mom, Shanja Poullian, because the friend Poullian took

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Speaker 1: one kid, one child took the game card from another child.

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Speaker 1: So it's not as if a mom steals a game card. Basically,

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Speaker 1: two little children had an argument over a game card

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Speaker 1: and one kid took the other kid's game card at

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Speaker 1: Chuck E Cheese and then Pullian allegedly takes out a

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Speaker 1: gun and shoots Chairs in the shoulder dead and then

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Speaker 1: she makes a run for it. I mean, James Shelnutt,

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Speaker 1: you were a major case. You had to do bolos,

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Speaker 1: be on the lookouts. But this is a twenty four

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Speaker 1: year old woman. But look at what she did. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, it's inexplicable. And I do agree,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was you know, this may have started

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Speaker 1: over game card and escalated, you know physically, I get it,

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, this should have

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Speaker 1: been handled in a completely different way. Adults are supposed

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Speaker 1: to handle things like adults instead of these adults acted

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Speaker 1: worse than the small child who supposedly took the game court.

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Speaker 1: It is just completely senseless and just inexplicable. You know,

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Speaker 1: you hear to you, Crispin about cases where soccer moms

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Speaker 1: getting a fight at the game with another mom or

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Speaker 1: actually with a kid, a child. What are they thinking? Funny?

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Speaker 1: You say that because when it comes to our kids

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Speaker 1: in baseball or soccer or football and the ref gives

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Speaker 1: a bad call to our kid. I mean, I've seen

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Speaker 1: parents just go absolutely ballistic. And how many times have

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Speaker 1: we seen the parents coming out of the stand and

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Speaker 1: trying to take out the coach or the ref. You

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Speaker 1: know what's interesting, Crispin, My brother, when he was in college,

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Speaker 1: had a part a lot of part time jobs, but

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Speaker 1: one of them was as a reff at children junior

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Speaker 1: leagues games. He finally, Quinny said, I have parents follow

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Speaker 1: me to my car, cursing at me, threatening to beat

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Speaker 1: me up. Because I don't know any of these children.

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Speaker 1: I'm just calling the game. I don't care. He finally

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Speaker 1: quit reffing for that very reason, just trying to imagine

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Speaker 1: what was going through these moms heads. Take a list

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Speaker 1: to our friend Dave Matt at Crime Online. Twenty four

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Speaker 1: year old trishawn To Polian is charged with one count

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Speaker 1: of first degree murder for fatally shooting twenty nine year

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Speaker 1: old Eloise Chairs. She appeared by phone in the Scott

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Speaker 1: County Court for a short bond review hearing. Her attorney,

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Speaker 1: Derek Jones, asked the judge to change her bond from

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Speaker 1: one million dollar cash only bond to a one million

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Speaker 1: dollar cash or surety bond, saying she has strong ties

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Speaker 1: to the community and is a lifelong resident of the area.

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Speaker 1: During the hearing, Polian said, I don't have a criminal

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Speaker 1: background of any sort, and then she said she has

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Speaker 1: a baby boy and doesn't have much support for it,

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Speaker 1: and saying she would like to have a realistic bond

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Speaker 1: so she can at least get out and prepare for

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Speaker 1: him to be somewhere safe while she goes through the trial.

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Speaker 1: Assistant Scott County Attorney Robert Bradfield he opposed the request

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Speaker 1: and said, first agree, murder carries a mandatory sentence of

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Speaker 1: life without parole, which is a good reason to not

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Speaker 1: appear for this trial, then pointed out that she shot

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Speaker 1: someone with a gun she had in her purse at

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Speaker 1: a Chucky Cheese that was crowded with families and children.

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Speaker 1: The judge denied the bond reduction, and not only that

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Speaker 1: she's already fled once, what would keep her from doing

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Speaker 1: it again? We wait as justice unfalse Nancy Grace crime

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Speaker 1: story signing off goodbye friend,