1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Good morning, Peepsen. Welcome to WIKA F Daily with Me 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: your Girl Danielle Moody recording on location. Folks. Today, I 3 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: get into a conversation with our good, good friend, doctor 4 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: Jonathan Metzel, and I get into a conversation with him 5 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: about how the gun laws and the gutting of states 6 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: rights as it pertains to creating their own safe gun 7 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: law measures like New York are a part of the 8 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: larger Republican strategy to destabilize Blue states, blue cities in 9 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: their quest one the gun labby for greed for increased sales, 10 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: but for the Republican Party to be able to and 11 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: point to these cities that they have destabilized and say, oh, yeah, 12 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: this is why you need to have us in power. 13 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: This is why we need to be the ones in control, 14 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: because these cities are raging out of control. Well, they're 15 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: raging out of control, and they're not because I live 16 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: in New York City and it is not raging out 17 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: of control. Yes, there is crime that is happening and 18 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: has always happened, But what I get into with Jonathan 19 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: is about the narrative that is used to discuss crime 20 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: and why Democrats haven't found a retort to their message 21 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: to the Republicans message of a law and order You know, 22 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: we know that it's steeped in bullshit, right, they don't care. 23 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: If we actually cared about law and order, then we 24 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: would invest in public schools, we would invest in communities, 25 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: we would create jobs, we would do things that don't 26 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: have people use crime as a last resort. Now, look, 27 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: I am not creating sob stories for violence. But what 28 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying is that if putting more cops on the 29 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: streets doesn't actually change anything, then what are at some 30 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: of the alternatives that are not just get rich quick 31 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: schemes for the police budgets? Right, So, Jonathan will weave 32 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: together the dots very clearly on you know, the issue 33 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: that I have been talking about a lot, which is 34 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: the rise of white domestic terrorism, the rise in this 35 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: quote unquote appeal to white anxiety and how it is 36 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: affecting not only the upcoming midterm elections, but frankly the 37 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: way in which we're developing policies and how those how 38 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: and why certain policies are developed. I got to say 39 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: this as we only have but five days until midterm elections. 40 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: One of the things that is consistently pissing me off, 41 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: as I know that it is pissing off many of you. 42 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: Is this consistent narrative around the fact that all of 43 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: the polls are shifting to Republicans. Once again, let me 44 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: say this, I don't give a fuck about the polls. 45 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: I really don't. I never have. And I know that 46 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: there are polsters out there that are like, no, there's 47 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: a science to this, in a nuance to this, No, 48 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: there is not. In all honesty. What it is is 49 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: being able to ask questions in a certain type of 50 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: way to be able to conjure out the outcome that 51 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: you want. The only things that matter right now with 52 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: five days left until the election until polls close is 53 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: what I should say. Five days until polls close is 54 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: how many people actually fucking show up. So if you 55 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: are listening to the media right now and allowing them 56 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: to conjure up a state of anxiety or make you 57 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: feel like your vote doesn't matter, then the Republicans are succeeding. 58 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: Right then the media is succeeding. The only polls that 59 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: matter right now are the ones that people are going 60 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: to that they are putting their physical bodies in, or 61 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: that they are mailing their ballots into That's what matters, folks. 62 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: So don't allow this conversations to deter you or make 63 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: you feel like, all hope it's lost, because I'll tell 64 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: you this, regardless of if Democrats win or lose, we're 65 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: still fighting. This shit is not over. Just like how 66 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: we thought that, oh my god, we line up and 67 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: we bring Biden into office and then we can go 68 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: back to sleeping well and taking deep breaths. No, because 69 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: what we know to be true is that the Republicans 70 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: are coming, and they are unrelenting, and they are not stopping. 71 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck about these elections, right, So, 72 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: regardless of the outcome, what we know to be true 73 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: is that we have work to continue to do. I 74 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: am a big proponent in rest and rage, right. I 75 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: rest so that I have the energy and the focus 76 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: to be able to think ahead, to be able to 77 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: create strategies, have conversations, We've narratives that get people bill activated. 78 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: But what we all have learned since two thousand and 79 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: sixteen is that the work is not done. Saving our 80 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: democracy doesn't just happen on election day. It is a 81 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: daily practice. And so if we are not moving in 82 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: that way if we are not recognizing that not one 83 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: election alone is going to save us. It is going 84 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: to be a series of elections at the state, local, 85 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: and federal level over the course of years and decades 86 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: that are going to save us. Right it's the layered 87 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: strategic approach that is going to ultimately save us. But 88 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: if there's nothing else that we need to hold right now, 89 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: it is this without vigilance. Without vigilance, our democracy dies. 90 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: It is not enough to just tweet, It is not 91 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: enough to just talk. We have got to vote, and 92 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: then we have got to continue to stay vigilant to 93 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: make sure that the people that we vote for continue 94 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: to make decisions based on our best interests and not 95 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: the interest that is accruing on their accounts. Do you 96 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? It is time that we recognize 97 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: and we own our own power, because guess what, folks, 98 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: they are getting ready to wield these gavels and wield 99 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: these batons, and they are coming after every single one 100 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: of our rights. So understand, election day is not when 101 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: the work is done, it is when it truly truly begins. 102 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: Coming up next, my conversation with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzo. 103 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: It's no secret that the news is horsepill hard to swallow. 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You know that whenever 111 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: we have the opportunity to speak with our in house doctor, 112 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel, to talk about all the things from 113 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: guns to COVID, the rise of white resentment, it is 114 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 1: a treat. And Jonathan, today I want to talk about 115 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: one thing. You want to talk about another. So it's 116 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: going to be dealer's choice. Which you are going to 117 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: be the dealer today? So let's begin with guns and 118 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: New York. Tell us the latest on the wild wild 119 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: West that is becoming America. Well, this is the you're 120 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: actually the same topic, but you you'll only realize it 121 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: of price start talking. So the issue is this, I've 122 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: been living here in Tennessee. That's why I am today 123 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: down in the South studying gun culture, and there's been 124 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: a particular playbook that the NRA and other gun dealers 125 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: have used to basically spread. I mean, if you went 126 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: twenty years ago in Nashville, for example, if you told 127 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: anybody you could carry a loaded gun into a park 128 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: or into a bar, or in the trunk of your 129 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: car into a government building, they'd be like, that's frigging preposterous. 130 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: That's like anarchy. And now all those things are like 131 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: second nature, and anybody who says I'm gonna we should 132 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: have restrictions on guns is run out of town, like 133 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: there's no university of the allegation. How did they get that? 134 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: How did they do that? They started this narrative that basically, 135 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: your stuff isn't safe and your liberties aren't safe, and 136 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: guns are the ways that you can protect yourself. And 137 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: it's not just about like because of course, the main 138 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: cause of gun death is gun suicide or partner violence, 139 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: but the sin of subtle messages in conservative newspapers, for example, 140 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: saying black people might come take your stuff, or you 141 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: might get mugged, or you might get you a gang 142 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: banger might come, or a card Jacker, this is all 143 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: the NA language, and it made people really anxious, and 144 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: it was overt and covert, and it was also really over. 145 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: If you look at like NRA advertisements, they show black, 146 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: angry black protesters. And what happened was because Tennessee was 147 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:35,239 Speaker 1: run by very NRA friendly judges and politicians and governors, 148 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: they were just like, yep, the white people want guns 149 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: because they don't make it mugged by the black people. 150 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: And it led to what we have now, which is, 151 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, many more guns than people, out of control 152 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: gun everything, ridiculous situation. But as you know, half my 153 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: life's in New York, and I always thought like, well, 154 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: that'll never happen in New York because we're safe in 155 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: New York. New York has reasonable gun laws. New York 156 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: has common sense, and people just know the importance of 157 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: living collaboratively in New York because you've got to take 158 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: the subway to work. But there was a Supreme Court 159 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,599 Speaker 1: case that we've talked about a million times in the 160 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: show called Group, and it overturned New york S gun 161 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: laws really in a very fundamental ways, and so New 162 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: York does not have that safety lever anymore. That it's 163 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: had for over one hundred years, which is a background 164 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: of like common sense gun laws, which dramatically, dramatically opens 165 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: the market for the n RA. All of a sudden, 166 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: New York is open for business for the n RA. 167 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: And what does that mean. That means that a governor 168 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: who's running for New York, for New York governor can 169 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: use the n RA playbook that I've seen here in 170 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: the South a million times over, which is crime is 171 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: out of control. Black people are doing property destruction. Look 172 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: at this thing on the subway. Don't you read the 173 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: New York Post. You we need guns here. And so 174 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: it's just crazy to me that the Zelden campaign New 175 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: York is running an NRA style campaign which would have 176 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: been laughed out of New York even a year ago, 177 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: even a year ago, But now because he has the 178 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: backing of the Supreme Court, New York actually doesn't have 179 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: the fallback anymore. And so the point I want to 180 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: make him, though this is a long pre emplom is 181 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: that New York is actually in a lot of danger 182 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: right now and doesn't realize it. That New York doesn't 183 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: realize it because this narrative of white racial resentment leading 184 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: to fears about crime and property crime, leading to the 185 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: same kind of shit I've seen happen in Kansas City 186 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: and in Nashville and all these places, a dramatic exhalation 187 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: and arms race. And they're saying, oh, we want to 188 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: stop crying. But what happens is you see much more 189 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: of every kind of crime, homicide, theft of guns, partner violence, suicide, 190 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: accidental shooting. It all goes up when there are a 191 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: million times more guns. So New York is fertile ground. 192 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: And every time I try to tell people that, they're like, oh, no, 193 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: that would never happen in New York, and I'm like, yeah, 194 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: that's where every place else that's tried to resist this 195 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: is said. And again, the safety New York has had, 196 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: always has been, has been its gun laws, which it 197 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: doesn't have anymore thanks to the shitty as Supreme Court. 198 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: And so the point is New York is in danger 199 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: right now, and it's in danger because of the Zelden campaign, 200 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: and it's in danger in a way that it does 201 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: not realize. It doesn't realize that the NRA is running 202 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: the NRA game on New York. And even like people 203 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: I know, like relatives of mine, have said, holy crap, 204 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: there's way too much I'm voting for law and order. 205 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: There's way too much crime in the subway, or what 206 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: if there's another riot where they smash the windows of 207 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: CBS and steal all the you know, antihistamine or whatever like. 208 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: So it's the same thing, but New York, New York. 209 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: Because New York has no history with this, they don't 210 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: realize what's happening. And so this is the narrative of 211 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: racial resentment, this is the narrative of guns, and it's 212 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: being done to New York right now, and I feel 213 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: like people don't see it. And the fact that zelden 214 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: Like is even in this guy is so mediocre. The 215 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: fact that he's even in the room right now, I 216 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: think is because people are too late to figure this out. 217 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: So that's my rant, But I want people to realist. 218 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: So one, Jonathan, thank you for laying the foundation for 219 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: the conversation that I did want to have on white 220 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: racial resentment and how all of these things are connected, 221 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: because I think that I don't think anyone is really 222 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: getting what is happening, let alone folks that are in 223 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: New York that don't recognize that one hundred year old 224 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: gun law was struck down in the last session of 225 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Let alone, what the Republican Party is 226 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: doing all across the country is that they are creating 227 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: an environment where nowhere is going to be safe. There 228 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: is going to be no understanding or real borders between 229 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: quote unquote blue states and red states, right, because the 230 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: reality here is that if everywhere, if we can stoke 231 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: fear so much in everyone, if one of the things 232 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: that went along with toilet paper during the beginning of 233 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: the pandemic was also the rising gun sales, if you 234 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: can stoke so much fear, like everywhere is unsafe, and 235 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: if everyone has a gun, that means that I have 236 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: to have a gun, even though I'm against guns, because 237 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: if my neighbor has a gun and the people across 238 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: the street have a gun and they you know, and 239 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: everyone is a criminal and no one can be trusted, 240 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: right then, like then I have to be packing as well. 241 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: And so I wonder, you know, one of my one 242 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: of my first questions for you, and I know that 243 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: we we we often volley back and forth on this 244 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: is what is the end game here? Right? Because what 245 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: what what happens? And this is this was part and 246 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: parcel of your entire book around dying of whiteness, right, 247 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: which is the idea that here you have healthcare trying 248 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: to be brought in, nationalized healthcare in a way that 249 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: other industrialized nations have nationalized healthcare, but because of America's 250 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: legacy and fucking you know, in the renaiscence of racism, 251 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: that they're willing to vote against their own best interests 252 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: and literally die. Right that, I'm looking at articles that 253 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: are talking about you know, Trumpism and these objector districts 254 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: and places where their mortality rate is sky high. All 255 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: of these people are literally dying. And so I ask, 256 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: what is the end result? Because when everyone is living 257 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: in fear, when there is no safe place to be, 258 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: what is the hope on the side of the far right, 259 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: on the side of these gun zealots that this country 260 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: turns into. Because not only are they not making it 261 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: safe for themselves for everyone else, it's also not going 262 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: to be safe for them. So I'm trying to understand, 263 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: like the right, what their rationale is. Well, I think 264 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: there are two main things to think about. First, of course, 265 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: is that if you are a gun manufacturer New York 266 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and other places are huge markets. So 267 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: the minute there's a mess shooting in New York and 268 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: everybody rushes out to get a gun in New York, 269 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: your stock goes through the route, right, So these are 270 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: untapped mark So certainly you're doing the bidding of the 271 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: gun companies, which are of course then in turn feeding 272 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: back and supporting campaigns like the Zelden campaign. Zelden has 273 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: had an A rating from the NRA since twenty sixteen, 274 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: and he's on record saying that if he's governor, he 275 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: will overturn the Safe Act, which is the assault weapons 276 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: ban and magazine capacity band in New York. So it's 277 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: financially a windfall. If people in New York all start 278 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: buying guns. It is a it's like it's like the 279 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: you know, mona from heaven for the gun sellers. And 280 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: so their agenda is very clear, which is that the 281 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: minute people in New York start getting afraid and barting guns, 282 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: it's like the one place in the country where their 283 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: market is not saturated. So they have a very clear 284 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: financial interest. And then the other thing, of course is 285 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: I think I can give you five hundred examples of 286 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: destabilizing diverse blue cities and states from fighting over ventilators 287 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: in the beginning of the pandemic to trying to overturn Obamacare, 288 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: which would really only impact places that adopted Obamacare, which 289 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: is like New York. You know, the idea to destabilize 290 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: blue cities and states and show that black people and 291 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: woke prosecutors, you know, they're just living like whatever, is 292 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: actually really good for red states, right because it makes 293 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: them prove like, oh, we're the true leaders and stuff 294 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: like that. So two really kind of dystopian. But I 295 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: have to say, quite real agendas that are served by this, 296 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: And again I just don't think people realize, like, look 297 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: at Zelden. Anybody can look it up. Look at Zelden's 298 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen A rating from the NRA, Like the support 299 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: is very clear right there. But give me a break 300 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: that that dude is going to make New York safer 301 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: his agenda that he's fronting it actually benefits from destroying you, 302 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: making it much less safe to prove a point. And 303 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: so I just think right now, I don't know, to 304 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: be honest, I'm really fucking pissed at the excuse me, 305 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: at the Democratic Well, the Democratic response has not been 306 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: highlighting the stakes here in any way, shape or form, 307 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: And I just think it's like a pants on fire moment. 308 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: Like New York places like that have to hold on 309 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: because you don't have the backing. I mean, the Bruin 310 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: case in the Surfing Court said, you have. Any gun 311 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: law has to justify its rationale based on the intent 312 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: of the framers and ratifiers of the Constitution, which, hey, 313 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: guess what, there were no R fifteens then, And so 314 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: New York's gun laws are really in danger right now. 315 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: And actually, how we think about New York is really 316 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: in danger right now. And so I just don't think 317 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: we've been sounding the alarm in any way. And the 318 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: fact that the Zelden has been allowed to get away 319 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,239 Speaker 1: with these safety claims I just think is a kind 320 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: of failure of leadership right now. 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Tune in 330 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: every Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts. Here's the thing. 331 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: Twenty to thirty three percent of the country is lost. Right, 332 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: and we continually talk about the messaging dysfunction on the 333 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: side of Democrats on a whole host of issues. Right, 334 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: whenever Republicans claim law and order, our rebuttal is like, oh, 335 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: but we too are about law and order. And here's 336 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: a billion dollars to the police forces that kill black 337 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: and brown people unrelentingly. Right, And so you know, in 338 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: your research, I'm not trying to convince the twenty five 339 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: and thirty and thirty percent of the population that is 340 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: never going to fall in line with what it is 341 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: that rational people want to think about. So if we're 342 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: looking at you know, I guess like the sixty five 343 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: to seventy five percent of the population that is less 344 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,959 Speaker 1: that is left and these two are people that are 345 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: susceptible to fear and anxiety. What is the messaging that 346 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: democrats need to be What is it? What is the 347 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: rebuttal for law and order? Well, the thing is you 348 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: can co opt the crime narrative. In other words, I 349 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: think we've we've had a reason with a very deep 350 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: emotion that's being manipulated on the other side, which we've 351 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: done all on like the right does all this stuff 352 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: with critical race theory and instead of like fighting back 353 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: with emotion, emotion that is equally evocative. I mean, that's 354 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: kind of the field you got to play on right now. 355 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: We went on TV and said, well, critical race theory 356 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: is just an obscure legal theory taught in the law 357 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: schools from the nineteen seventies, Like we actually tried to 358 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: reason it. And now they're saying crime, crime, crime, and 359 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: we're saying, well, crime is actually much lower than it 360 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: was in the nineteen nineties. Like that's not the right answer. 361 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: You have to acknowledge people's fear. Right now, people are 362 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: afraid of crime and crime is on the rise, and we, 363 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, we don't. So I think saying you know, 364 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: I just think that co opting the crime narrative and 365 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: drowning them out by saying, you know, here's our big 366 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: crime initiative and aren't you on board, like make them 367 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: respond to us. That's kind of the only card you 368 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: can have right now is to co opt the narrative 369 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: and then turn it in your I mean again, And 370 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: let me be clear, I think the Democrats have done 371 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: a shitty job. Oh my god, I'm so bad today. 372 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: I think the Democrats have done a bad job of 373 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: responding to people's emotional concern about crime. Like people are 374 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: afraid on the subway. Now it's just an objective fact. 375 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, it's like, we're taking 376 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: your concerns seriously, and here's what we're doing about it. 377 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: And why aren't the Republicans on board with it? And 378 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: here's our ten part plan? I don't know. Unfortunately, that's 379 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: the terrain we've got to be on. It's not telling 380 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: people that crime is lower now than it was in 381 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: the eighties, because hey, we're not in the eighties right now, 382 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: and so and so I just think we've had to 383 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 1: reason our way out of it. And I can tell you, like, 384 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: their construction of crime is ridiculous because it doesn't like 385 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: the most gun death has gunn suicide. It doesn't account 386 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: for mass shootings, even it's you know, it's all property 387 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: crime and shootings by black people. That's kind of what 388 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: they're saying, but you've got to see the field they're 389 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: playing on and then amplify it and co opt it. 390 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's really what you have to do. 391 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: And so we should have been saying, we take your 392 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: concerns seriously. The crime is the most important thing to ask, 393 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: which the Governor's kind of tried to do, but not 394 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: in a way that it was believable, but make them 395 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: respond to you by co opting that narrative and then 396 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: saying we're doing this like in a way people can see, 397 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: and I just don't. I think they thought it was like, 398 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's something that people care about in their 399 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: really daily lives. So you need to be the one 400 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: to set the terms of the debate, which means taking 401 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: the crime story and then telling your version of that 402 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: story and making the other side respond to your version. 403 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 1: But instead, all of a sudden, two weeks to go 404 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: in the election, we're playing catch up because we were 405 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: not nimble enough when all this stuff on the subway 406 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: was happening and all that stuff. You know, what's really 407 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: interesting is that for me right as a as a 408 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: New Yorker, I won't one work from home, but also 409 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: don't really take the subway anymore. And it has nothing 410 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: to do with crime. It has everything to do with 411 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: the fact that, like, I don't want to be around 412 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: that many people. I don't think that it's no longer 413 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: a novelty to be squished into a subway car, given 414 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: the fact that we had monkey pox, COVID, like all 415 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: of these things, and you know, like, for me, it 416 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: isn't it isn't safety. However, I do see the ways 417 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: in which the New York Post and other conservative like rags, 418 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, amplify If there is a mugging on the subway, 419 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: then it's all of the subways there are muggings. If 420 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: there's somebody that has unfortunately been pushed to their death 421 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: on the subway, then it's like every day somebody is 422 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: being pushed to their death on the subway. I was 423 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: at a wedding and ly of my friend and her 424 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: you know, she has members of her family that have 425 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: never been to New York. Their question was, is it dangerous? 426 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: Is New York? You know? Is it like? Is New 427 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: York City dangerous? And I'm like, do do I look 428 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 1: like I would live in a place that's like do 429 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: I look like because some type of warrior to you 430 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: that like I would be taking my life in my 431 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: own hands every day, and so it is about the storytelling. 432 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: And I still am, I still am uncertain about Oh, 433 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: Lauren Order, Lauren Order. And you say crime is the 434 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: most important thing. And it's just like you know, Hope 435 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: put cameras is putting cameras on every subway, which frankly 436 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: they should have had before. Um you know is do 437 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: you am I dragging you down with the with the 438 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: with the invective here I love it? Um No, I 439 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: mean the show is called woke af I just try 440 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: not to curse with you on Jonathan, but like I 441 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: curse on a regular basis. Um, But like I wanted, 442 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: I do think that we always our narrative is always reactionary, 443 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: regardless of whatever the issue is. Democrats are and to 444 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: your point, we never set the debate, we never set 445 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: the tone and forced Republicans on their heels. And that's 446 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: why we are consistently playing catch up. That's why we're 447 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: consistently reacting to what is being said about us instead 448 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: of telling people what we are about. Look, I was 449 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: in New York last week. I had m bike with me. 450 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: I played in a softball game, at Randall's Island. Then 451 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: I biked over to my friend in Harlem. In Harlem, 452 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: we had a great drink on the street super Friend. 453 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: Then I biked all the way down Manhattan and went 454 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: over the willinsbri Bridge, and then I went to a 455 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: party in Williamsburg, and then I went to dinner and 456 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: green Point. And there were so many people out in 457 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: New York, all different neighborhoods, all different stuff like that. 458 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: And like I'll tell you right now, in Nashville, I 459 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: could never do that. There's no way in hell. You know. 460 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: There's first of all, you can't even ride a bike 461 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: here because there's no bike lanes and bike and the 462 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: cars will run you over. We have the highest pedestrian 463 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: fatality rate in the in the country. I think here 464 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: there are no separate bike lanes. There's really very little 465 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: foot traffic outside of downtown. So, like the things about 466 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: New York are like awesome. So how can you go 467 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: on the offensive. How can you go on the offensive 468 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: and say, here are the values of living in a 469 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: place where it's really good gun laws, and here's where 470 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: you can do and here's how we're going to make 471 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: that cool. Like set the terms of the debate that 472 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: way and say we respond to crime. But the great 473 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: thing about New York is blah blah blah blah, like 474 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: set the term, set the term that way. Like I 475 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: just feel like New York has stopped like advertising itself, 476 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, and the stakes right now are super super 477 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: super high, and like, I don't know, I went to 478 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: a Broadway show the other night and then walked around 479 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: Times Square and then rode my city bike from Times 480 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: Square back down to Brooklyn. Like there's there's no place 481 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: in the country you could do that. And it was 482 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: totally fine. But to say oh, it's totally fine, it's 483 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: not to dismiss people's fear of crime. It's like you 484 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: have to take that concern and then tell a different story. 485 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: And the other thing, of course that's frustrating is New 486 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: York is safe because more people are coming back right now. 487 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: So it just felt really unsafe during the pandemic because 488 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: like everybody was gone, yeah right. So but again, you 489 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: have to tell your story and then set the terms 490 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: of the debate, and we're not doing that. And I 491 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: really think the governor has man I hope she wins, 492 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: but I sure think she has not set the terms 493 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: of this debate and let it be this other thing, 494 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, before we wrap up, I will say this, 495 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: there have been a couple of people who I thought 496 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: have done a really good job, but unfortunately it's only 497 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: a handful of people. I thought that Charlie Christ when 498 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: he went against Ronda Santists in their debate, he was 499 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: very clear about what Ronda Santists is doing to Florida, 500 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 1: about how dangerous Florida has become, about how you're turning 501 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: neighbor against neighbor. And I think that that is actually 502 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: like a really important narrative. You know, we just had Halloween, 503 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: right and I'm talking to my mother who lives in 504 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: the suburbs, and she's like, oh, what, you know, how 505 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: is Halloween in you know, in Brooklyn. I'm like, it was. 506 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: It was wonderful. I'm like, you see all of these 507 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: neighbors sitting out on their steps and giving out candy, 508 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: and all of the restaurants and the stores are open, 509 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: and you know, my girlfriend was like, you know, this 510 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: is probably the most community based holiday that there is. Right. 511 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: All of our other quote unquote holidays are family, family oriented, 512 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: they are container oriented, whereas Halloween is about the community 513 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: and about going out into space. And I think to 514 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: your point that if you're not selling that right and 515 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: saying why it feels safe, why you can walk around 516 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: with your kids, why you can bike from one burrow 517 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: to the other, Why there is like this sense of 518 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: like camaraderie, right that even in the pandemic, there was 519 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: a sense of we are New Yorkers, we will get 520 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: through this. We take care of each other, We're dropping 521 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: all food to one another, and all of these things 522 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: that if you're not, to your point, selling it right, 523 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: then you're allowing somebody else to run away with the 524 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: narrative about us and about progressive blue states in general 525 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: that are just not real. I mean, because there's no 526 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: one who wouldn't want to be able to hop on 527 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: their bike and go see their friends and go, you know, 528 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,239 Speaker 1: go to a show and go do this thing and 529 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: that thing and feel comfortable and safe doing so. Yeah, 530 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: thank guns in New York. That's not who we fucking are. 531 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: Or get the fuck out of here, you know, Yeah, 532 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: something like that. Like I'm just saying, like New York 533 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: is not is not met that it's not New York 534 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: has not met the challenge right now. It's really quite terrifying. 535 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, well, I will say this, Oh do 536 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: we Lucy? Did I? Lucy? You know we're here? Um, 537 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: I will I will say this that we need a motto. 538 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 1: We need a motto as a party, we need a motto. 539 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: As a country, we need an entire rebrand. And I 540 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: don't know if we're going to get the opportunity to 541 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: do it right by the time that this episode airs. 542 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: We only have but like you know, one hand worth 543 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: of days until the midterm elections. Well, it's a reality. 544 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: There's some clips from this interview, like, let's spread the word, 545 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: let's get people out there. Man. I just I pray 546 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: that the what we have seen is that so far, 547 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: over twenty million people have early voted. That always work 548 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: both well for us. How many people show up on 549 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: election day? How many people continue to hold their elected 550 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: officials accountable. I hope that we have the opportunity to rebrand, 551 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: and the only way we get to do that is 552 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: if we vote. Doctor Jonathan Metzel, as always, thank you 553 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: so much for making the time for wok F N 554 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: four your rage today. We got f bombs in all. 555 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes we have to go there. I mean, I appreciate 556 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: that it's anytime. I mean, this is where we're we're 557 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: at the uh you know, we're at the front lines here. 558 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,959 Speaker 1: We gotta you know, we gotta stand up right now. 559 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, that is it for me today, dear friends 560 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: on woke a App. As always, Power to the people 561 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: and to all the people power, get woke and stay 562 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: woke as fuck.