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Speaker 1: He's back. David Hagburg, former Air Force cryptographer, best selling

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Speaker 1: author of international thrillers, his latest tower down we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about that is a knack for creating fiction

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Speaker 1: that becomes fact. David joined the Air Force right out

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Speaker 1: of high school when he was trained as a cryptogra

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Speaker 1: ptographer station in Greenland above the Arctic Circle and in Germany,

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Speaker 1: where he helped construct then the world's largest crypto center

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Speaker 1: on the planet. He attended the University of Maryland and

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Speaker 1: then the University of Wisconsin, studying physics, mathematics, and philosophy.

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Speaker 1: And David, great to have you back. How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm just great. How are you nine? George Good? I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to this and tell everybody you know, cryptography,

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Speaker 1: of course has a lot to do with the coding

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Speaker 1: and things like that. How did you get into that?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's really strange because when you want to

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Speaker 1: join the military, I was only seventeen years old, ran

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Speaker 1: away from home and all that. You know that kind

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Speaker 1: of stick. The Air Force, all our military gives you

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Speaker 1: a whole battery of tests. They want to figure out

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Speaker 1: who you are, what you are, what your capabilities are.

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Speaker 1: And cryptography is a strange sort of a thing. You

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Speaker 1: either get it or you don't get it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's almost impossible train for it. And in fact, the

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Speaker 1: class that the school was a year long Monday through Friday,

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Speaker 1: and it was classified. You couldn't take homework home with you.

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Speaker 1: You either got it and class or didn't. And for

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Speaker 1: some reason, I have no idea why my brain was

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Speaker 1: wired to as bully and algebra. Now this stuff I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about, George is very old. This is that nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty and all this quantum encryption stuff, all this stuff

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Speaker 1: is brand new. But but it was bully and Bully

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Speaker 1: and algebra. And you either it's sort a strange kind

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Speaker 1: of a thing. You either got or you did yet

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Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, like yeah, my brain was wired

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Speaker 1: and something strange where that. Yeah, this was simple, this

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Speaker 1: was really easy, and and so I did fine with it.

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Speaker 1: I you there was there was the basis of all

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Speaker 1: my writing. Because we built this big crypto center in

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Speaker 1: in uh in Germany, which had been an old Nazi bunker,

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Speaker 1: which was I mean, that was so cool. I was

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Speaker 1: just this kid. I had a little used BMWN a

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Speaker 1: German girlfriend, and I thought I was the cat's whiskers.

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Speaker 1: But the guys running around there, the civilians were setting

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Speaker 1: this whole thing up for some big advisors. Uh, they

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Speaker 1: were supposedly with like IBM and burrows and places like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, tech reps, but tech reps don't walk around

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Speaker 1: with jackets and pistols and shoulder holsters. So these guys

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Speaker 1: are all CIA and something called National Security Agency, which

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Speaker 1: nobody knew anything about in those days. But so these

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Speaker 1: guys were spies. There were spooks, and they sort of,

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, took me under their wing. And I

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Speaker 1: got to know CIA guys and have known them all

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Speaker 1: my life. And just I mean I had died and

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Speaker 1: gone to heaven that was years in Germany, was super great.

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Speaker 1: I just loved it. David. Have you heard of these

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Speaker 1: numbers short wave stations that people are picking up that

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Speaker 1: do nothing but give out messages in Morse code or numbers,

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Speaker 1: and people think it has to do with espionage. Have

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Speaker 1: you heard about that? Yeah, just vaguely in the past.

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Speaker 1: And this is nothing new because in fact, I was

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Speaker 1: in high school as a Ham radio operator and uh,

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Speaker 1: I was to tune a radio station, your Ham radio

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Speaker 1: was just static like like just that snow on TV

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Speaker 1: it back after recording, let's an hour of it, play

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Speaker 1: this day, all that static that is the noise literally

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Speaker 1: the noise of the Big Bang at at the time

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