Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 1: Everyone, Today is Part three with the wonderful, brilliant Michael
Speaker 1: Patrick Key. Thanks for joining us, little segue. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about The Comeback for a second because I
Speaker 1: love it so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: So of course, whenever I watch anything else that you do,
Speaker 1: depending on the thing, obviously, right, but the Comeback is
Speaker 1: always like so close to home in so many ways, right,
Speaker 1: because she's an actress and she's our age basically, and
Speaker 1: you know, the first episode the first season was right
Speaker 1: after the end of our show, and I've told you
Speaker 1: many times I was just laying on like I was crying.
Speaker 1: So it was a great time for me to be
Speaker 1: watching to come Back. Though I really wanted to watch it,
Speaker 1: but I was just so sad, you know. And I
Speaker 1: was forty or forty one or whatever it was, right,
Speaker 1: so like, and we didn't know what was happening. We
Speaker 1: didn't know if we were going to get our film
Speaker 1: made or what the hell was going to happen, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it was just painful, you know, And because Valerie
Speaker 1: is always down and trying everything in her beautiful, sweet
Speaker 1: way to get things going and trying to make the
Speaker 1: best of the situation that she's put in. It's just
Speaker 1: heartbreaking rate and I love this current one and I
Speaker 1: laugh out loud so many times. But also like, why
Speaker 1: did you name her show that?
Speaker 2: How's that? Uh? Huh? Her name is? Her show is
Speaker 2: named How's that? Because Lisa and I after we did
Speaker 2: season two, there was never like a mandate to come back.
Speaker 2: We were just kind of like everybody thought we did
Speaker 2: a good job and that was that. HBO was kind
Speaker 2: of happy with it. But every now and then over
Speaker 2: the last eleven years, ten years, Lisa and I would
Speaker 2: have lon Jouey Lewis Valerie doing we maybe there's something
Speaker 2: new come back for it. We never really came up
Speaker 2: with an idea that was a big enough machine to
Speaker 2: come back. We had funny things like Chicago, which we
Speaker 2: put in the first episode Vallery stars in Chicago, like
Speaker 2: because all.
Speaker 1: The fucking funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but it was like we knew it
Speaker 2: was like right, but it wasn't. You can't super satisfying
Speaker 2: five years ago. We kept thinking it's not enough. So
Speaker 2: then one day we were talking and Lisa said, it's
Speaker 2: too bad. Valerie wasn't around during the SAG writers strike, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because she would have been hilarious. And then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, the door opened in my mind and I said,
Speaker 2: why can't we go back for a minute, Why can't
Speaker 2: we start then? Because it's so funny, Why don't we
Speaker 2: start then? And they'll think about this sag Writer's strike
Speaker 2: was when it ended. The thing, The sentence that stuck
Speaker 2: in my mind was we're going to have to renegotiate
Speaker 2: in three years because of Ai. And as soon as
Speaker 2: that's what everybody was saying, like it's a happy ending,
Speaker 2: but we're still going to negotiate in three years because
Speaker 2: of Ai, and the minute that popped into my mind,
Speaker 2: I said, And then three years later we have We're
Speaker 2: at Ai and Valeries cast in the first multicam written
Speaker 2: about Ai, and Lisa went click, and then we started
Speaker 2: talking about it would be about bed and breakfast, like
Speaker 2: a typical sitcom, but we thought it was going to
Speaker 2: be all about like she's a luddite and she doesn't
Speaker 2: understand technology. And Lisa within two minutes did a monologue
Speaker 2: as the proprietress and she went, I don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm doing everything I can, but I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I can't do any better than that. How's that? And
Speaker 2: it just came right out of her mouth, and I said,
Speaker 2: how's that. That's the sentence, that's the phrase, that's the
Speaker 2: name of the catchphrase. That's also the sitcom. So it
Speaker 2: just presented itself.
Speaker 1: It didn't remind you at all of and just like that,
Speaker 1: how's that?
Speaker 2: And then just like that, uh huh no, because it's
Speaker 2: not because it has the word that.
Speaker 1: They're just they're just interestingly similar, kind of like dot
Speaker 1: dot dot question you know what I'm saying. They're phrases.
Speaker 2: Well, and just like that is a dot dot dot
Speaker 2: to infinity, right, and this is a question mark in
Speaker 2: an exclamation. Right.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I said that to a writer. You guys
Speaker 1: have my trouble now.
Speaker 2: I just letting you know that. And just like that
Speaker 2: eludes to who something happened? Yes, this is just like
Speaker 2: it's a comedy word. It's so I don't connect them
Speaker 2: except the word A J, A J, L T and
Speaker 2: H T. When I would see it, I oh that,
Speaker 2: I guess I like the word that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you do, because every reason I said,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, is he talking about us? I mean
Speaker 1: there's so many times then, like what because obviously you
Speaker 1: have so many situations in there, like you have Benito
Speaker 1: on Benny Well, Benito is my god a dream, right,
Speaker 1: but that whole scene, I'm dying that whole scene, right,
Speaker 1: Like I'm having similar situations in my current life. You know.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting because Valerie's world is usually about
Speaker 2: people diminishing her and she's got to fight for her
Speaker 2: thing our world and just like that and Sex and
Speaker 2: the City never felt like the is any mandate to
Speaker 2: diminish any of you. So the costumer clearly to me,
Speaker 2: would never happen on one of our shows, would happen
Speaker 2: on every other show.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely, you know, I mean I'm having Kristian life.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, because that is our world. You are
Speaker 1: diminished and told things by young people that are wrong.
Speaker 2: I mean you realize that in season one, when she
Speaker 2: was forty, they made her an aunt in a funny,
Speaker 2: awful tracksuit.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you're done now.
Speaker 2: That part is a similar in the brand. Yes women
Speaker 2: saying yes, stop seeing us like we're done, right, And
Speaker 2: that's the connection.
Speaker 1: Yes, totally, totally, totally.
Speaker 2: It's like the thing that I love the most about
Speaker 2: what we did with that show was saying, stop seeing
Speaker 2: us the way you think we should be, and start
Speaker 2: seeing the way we are and can be. And that
Speaker 2: not only goes for the way the characters evolved specifically
Speaker 2: from Miranda to Miranda, but also the way that you
Speaker 2: were allowed to look and dress and I guess you're
Speaker 2: not allowed to be fifty eight fifty nine and go
Speaker 2: to a bodega in a tool skirt without meaning the
Speaker 2: end of the world. And it's all really about how
Speaker 2: both the shows are about how women are fighting the
Speaker 2: way they are being told to be.
Speaker 1: Yees seen yes or not seen? You know, fighting you exist.
Speaker 2: Or danccene right right, I mean the Great Shocker Oan
Speaker 2: just like that to me was how there seemed to
Speaker 2: be you go away, I know, like we don't need
Speaker 2: to see you now, I know. And that happened on
Speaker 2: the second movie. Right before the second movie, there was
Speaker 2: an article in New York magazine where there were the
Speaker 2: four of you from Sex and the City a promo
Speaker 2: four like from back in the day, and they had
Speaker 2: masking tape over.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I remember. That was horrible.
Speaker 2: It's like, what are you talking about? You haven't seen them.
Speaker 2: That was actually the first movie. You haven't seen them
Speaker 2: in four years and they can't speak. Why?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And that even it happened so much that I put
Speaker 2: it in the second movie when Carrie has tape over
Speaker 2: amount in the review of her book, right, But like,
Speaker 2: why are they told to go away?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Why are they told to me?
Speaker 1: It's like in mainstream media, told without apology to go away.
Speaker 1: That's the part that bugs me, Like you should be
Speaker 1: embarrassed to say that. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: how dare you tell a whole demographic of people to
Speaker 1: go away and not speak? What is that? We know
Speaker 1: what it is. It's audacious that it's misogyny on their.
Speaker 2: Society st right, society, still society.
Speaker 1: This is why I'm not worked out about just like that,
Speaker 1: just so you know, because you're like, why we beget
Speaker 1: when we began, you were telling me, Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Worked out about it. No, there's a lot of things
Speaker 2: to have an unrest about. Yes, When I was doing
Speaker 2: press for the comeback in Europe, somebody said to me, oh,
Speaker 2: I think it was a grace. I'm sure you're hoping
Speaker 2: that this goes better than your last attempt at coming back,
Speaker 2: And I said what are you talking about? They said.
Speaker 2: The reaction to him just like that, And you know
Speaker 2: what I said, call me in four years.
Speaker 1: It is going to I saw that quote pulled out.
Speaker 2: And I actually just recently heard something Lena Dunham said
Speaker 2: in her press tour about significant shows are never about
Speaker 2: when they're launched, They're about where they are in ten years.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: I like that, do they stay in the consciousness? And
Speaker 2: I feel that and just like that was incredibly well
Speaker 2: made and anarchy again, which is what I'm so happy about. Right,
Speaker 2: because when we started Sex in the City, it was
Speaker 2: you're thirty four, right, you should have a husband, right?
Speaker 2: Was that simple?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: And if you don't, there's something wrong with you.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And then just like that was your fifty something you
Speaker 2: should have this figured out by now, right, and if
Speaker 2: you don't, there's something wrong with right.
Speaker 1: And also you should just be quiet, just be quiet,
Speaker 1: mind your own business over there in the corner or whatever.
Speaker 2: Just quietly, right, go into the background. Right, don't be old,
Speaker 2: right and bright, right and confused, right and alive, all
Speaker 2: the things. Don't be people we've never seen.
Speaker 1: Before, right, that really upset them.
Speaker 2: Rue McClanahan on the Golden girls was I think fifty
Speaker 2: and they had already retired and worried Florida, right, nothing,
Speaker 2: no future, I mean, and then there are all those
Speaker 2: women on it, just like that, violently fighting to be
Speaker 2: themselves still and it was quite a expression. And I
Speaker 2: think people like their stories left alone. It's the only
Speaker 2: thing I'm interested in.
Speaker 1: I agree, It's never entered my mind that they would
Speaker 1: want their stories left alone.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing that made Sex and the City
Speaker 2: work is the evolution of the characters. And I'm really
Speaker 2: interested in the evolution of characters. And it was a
Speaker 2: it was a bold move to come back again with
Speaker 2: Valerie Cherish eleven years later. Yes, but I'm only interested
Speaker 2: in how people are growing or changing or not growing
Speaker 2: or not changing with the stories around that are and
Speaker 2: with you three so beloved. I thought that'll be interesting,
Speaker 2: and then they were like, oh, okay, but maybe we
Speaker 2: didn't want them to change that, right.
Speaker 1: Which I think too. And I mean, I don't really know,
Speaker 1: because as you know, I'm still processing. But I also
Speaker 1: think that some of it has to do with our
Speaker 1: bigger cultural moment of upheaval, you know, like maybe if
Speaker 1: we weren't in a total cultural chaos, they would have
Speaker 1: had more room for us to grow and change.
Speaker 2: You mean, if the world was calmer, the characters could
Speaker 2: have had chaos maybe, but chaos on chaos. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a little we want ice cream, we don't want.
Speaker 1: Us right like like or I don't know a syllabus,
Speaker 1: maybe I wouldn't, you know, But yes, it was a
Speaker 1: lot for them to try to take out on I
Speaker 1: just saw something the other day that seemed really smart
Speaker 1: that was about how you know the success of the
Speaker 1: Pit and the Pit the characters are obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: beautifully written and deep and you know whatnot, but they
Speaker 1: also are very good at their jobs and they care
Speaker 1: about the right things. So you're seeing the thing that
Speaker 1: we're not seeing the world on your screen. Because when
Speaker 1: I first watched The Pit, I couldn't go to sleep,
Speaker 1: of course, because I have like medical anxiety, right, so
Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, the anxiety. But then I
Speaker 1: did want to watch it. I did find myself drawn
Speaker 1: to watch it and try to try to get to sleep.
Speaker 1: I try to watch something lighter after and then go
Speaker 1: to sleep. But you know that people want to see
Speaker 1: competence and solidness. They're not being super eloquent right now
Speaker 1: in what they're seeing, because the world is not that right,
Speaker 1: but we we are challenging our brand is.
Speaker 2: I will say that everything on the pit which I
Speaker 2: find so interesting is the new people I think no
Speaker 2: is amazing, Yes, and the more people you haven't seen before. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but all those characters that are making mistakes and putting
Speaker 2: in the wrong catheter catheter.
Speaker 1: Right right right, that's good, f right right, right, right right.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's a really good point too.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point. I think all that stuff
Speaker 1: is super interesting to think about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love all the humanity and the pit. I
Speaker 2: think it's really interesting, how flawed the character, especially know
Speaker 2: as character is, and all the new faces that's what
Speaker 2: TV used to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, it's beautiful. It's beautiful to watch. I agree.
Speaker 1: And I feel like we did that too, you know,
Speaker 1: in the first show and the second show, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I think my other reason that
Speaker 1: I'm still you know, first of all, as I've said
Speaker 1: many times now, so forever, you know, I still just
Speaker 1: want to work together forever. Yeah, because everything else is
Speaker 1: like like less.
Speaker 2: Ah. Here's the thing. Yes, I got to a point
Speaker 2: on Sex and the City where my story person that
Speaker 2: lives inside my head. Yeah, said, we're done for now.
Speaker 1: Right, you told me this and it happened, right.
Speaker 2: And this felt like that, and ah, I didn't. I
Speaker 2: respect everybody so much that I thought we're done for now.
Speaker 1: And I respect that. I just didn't necessarily expect it
Speaker 1: in that second that had happened, or that moment. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wasn't shocked. You Remember when you called me. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I felt the vibes. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: didn't feel the vibes from you. I felt the vibes
Speaker 1: from the world. And I don't mean the criticism. I
Speaker 1: just mean the the strangeness. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: put it right, But like, we really just take you
Speaker 1: for granted that you are like plugged into this you know,
Speaker 1: vision board of the ethers or whatever it is, because
Speaker 1: you always really are, which reminds me I need to
Speaker 1: ask you something from the season specifically. But like, I
Speaker 1: fully respect that you are the font, right, you are
Speaker 1: the Oh look, I.
Speaker 2: Mean that's a very grand statement to say.
Speaker 1: It's true.
Speaker 2: I'm happily every now and then visited by an idea
Speaker 2: that I is very clear. Yeah, yeah, And when we
Speaker 2: were doing the end of season one of it, just
Speaker 2: like that, we were standing, we were doing the blocking
Speaker 2: of Carrie moving into that house, and I knew season season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I saw the lights.
Speaker 2: In your boom. I know what season three is. Yes,
Speaker 2: and I waited it didn't come. It's not. I'm not
Speaker 2: the vision board. I am the executor of a vision.
Speaker 1: But the reality is I mean, you're the receiver of
Speaker 1: the vision.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, or else. I have my sense of story
Speaker 2: taste right, and I could work for you with you forever.
Speaker 1: Me too, Yes, me too, and that's why and good, good,
Speaker 1: That's what I want here to say. So, big question,
Speaker 1: big question, with some debate. Remember I love New York, Yes,
Speaker 1: how wait, I heart New York. I heart New York.
Speaker 1: How Okay. So there's this a picture of Willie and
Speaker 1: Sir Jessica on the streets of New York wearing an
Speaker 1: outfit that is not ever in the show. And Sir
Speaker 1: Jessica told us it was a scene that was iHeart
Speaker 1: New York but got cut, but that they had filmed it.
Speaker 1: But we filmed and wrapped before nine to eleven, because
Speaker 1: I remember we I wrapped on like the ninth or
Speaker 1: something like this, that a photo shoot on the tenth,
Speaker 1: was flying on the eleventh, Sarah was starting rehearsal on
Speaker 1: the eleventh, like we had just wrapped, right, But then
Speaker 1: for some reason, bless you, for some reason, they held episodes.
Speaker 1: They cut our season into two that year. Do you
Speaker 1: remember this?
Speaker 2: The season was cut into six and then the rest.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what we do know for sure is that
Speaker 1: we had filmed you had written, and we had filmed
Speaker 1: iHeart New York before nine to eleven, correct, correct, got it?
Speaker 1: So anyone who thinks out there that we were somehow
Speaker 1: responding and had gone back to film, no, you had
Speaker 1: some kind of prescient unless.
Speaker 2: The iHeart New York is the one where the autumnly faults, Yes,
Speaker 2: and Miranda's water breaks, Yes, and she talks about voiceover. Now,
Speaker 2: I could have changed the voiceover, got it. I could
Speaker 2: have said, seasons change as cities. I remember that, got it,
Speaker 2: got it, got it, So I could have addressed it there.
Speaker 1: Got it, got it, got it.
Speaker 2: Got It's really where we addressed it was anchors away
Speaker 2: the beginning of the next season, which was week.
Speaker 1: Right, that's the pregnancy season.
Speaker 2: And that was we got to go downtown and spend
Speaker 2: some well earned money because of how bad Damn Town was.
Speaker 2: But seasons change, as do cities. I think I probably
Speaker 2: did got it redo a voiceover, got it, got to
Speaker 2: incorporate something, and we did take the World Trade Towers
Speaker 2: out of the opening credit.
Speaker 1: Right, which I thought was the right thing.
Speaker 2: And a couple of scenes actually, when Samantha and Richard
Speaker 2: are on the roof of his swim, the whole background
Speaker 2: was the World Trade Towers and we had quite a
Speaker 2: debate about should we take them out or leave them
Speaker 2: in or take them out of leave them in, But
Speaker 2: it was after they had gone, so it made the
Speaker 2: show invalid.
Speaker 1: I agree in stressing in the moment right, very stressful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it's still very stressful. When you see them
Speaker 2: in things, you go, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, totally, totally. Okay, that was super helpful
Speaker 1: because I had also had some weird idea. But I
Speaker 1: think it was that when we did go back to work,
Speaker 1: they said, will you guys go downtown right to be
Speaker 1: on the streets and you know, show that we're functioning.
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember when that was. And because there was
Speaker 1: this picture of Willia and Sarah in a scene that
Speaker 1: I don't remember, and Sarah said, oh, yeah, we filmed
Speaker 1: a scene that was just didn't make it in the EPISODECU.
Speaker 1: Obviously we had to cut things like not based on
Speaker 1: anything important, just time. You don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only scene that I ever remember seeing pictures
Speaker 2: of that was not in anything was there was a Willie.
Speaker 2: There was a Stanford Carrey scene in the first movie
Speaker 2: where she's in a very very very pretty pink dress.
Speaker 2: I think this is in a bright suit a summer see.
Speaker 1: What was the scene.
Speaker 2: I think it was scene right around talking about BITSI
Speaker 2: or something. I don't got it, got it?
Speaker 1: Got it? So it's just cut just for time, not
Speaker 1: not Maybe that's what it is. This is the it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful PIC's west what I think that's from? Got it? Okay?
Speaker 1: This picture is what has been irking me, like I
Speaker 1: can't place it? Yeah, okay, got it, got it.
Speaker 2: It's a summer scene. He's in a gray suit. She's
Speaker 2: in a pink dress with like a little islet lace.
Speaker 1: I think so top it's a thing. Can you pull
Speaker 1: the picture up in can you find it? Got it?
Speaker 1: Because that's been the thing that's been just like, what
Speaker 1: was that? What was that or either one of you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That was because when when we
Speaker 1: talked to Sarah, she said, oh, I do think there
Speaker 1: was a scene cut, but maybe she's remembering also the
Speaker 1: movie you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't remember ever putting a Stanford
Speaker 2: scene on the ground except for the movie.
Speaker 1: It's Funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It was always so
Speaker 2: much fun fun.
Speaker 1: Funny and fun and very those were like targeted, like
Speaker 1: you really wrote those with such intense yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Did you see
Speaker 1: this sale on Julian's.
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It is so trippy and bizarre. So
Speaker 1: you can get like like all of our props and
Speaker 1: stuff from and just like that, you can go and
Speaker 1: and and and buy them at this auction called Julian's.
Speaker 1: And there's like all the letters that Stanford wrote Carrie
Speaker 1: are there.
Speaker 2: Oh that's my handwriting.
Speaker 1: I know, that's your handwriting.
Speaker 2: Every handwriting on the show is mine. Everyone the Burger
Speaker 2: posted is the Miranda list of pros and cons for
Speaker 2: Steve is my handwriting got Carrie some of Carrie's And
Speaker 2: every now and then I would say to Sarah, Jessica,
Speaker 2: write this right, because she's left handed and has a
Speaker 2: weird signature, right, but yeah, that is definitely my handwriting
Speaker 2: in Stanford.
Speaker 1: Harry's chapters of her book are there. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, oh.
Speaker 2: All that's good ship, Yes, that is good. I remember
Speaker 2: writing that and going like this will be fun to write.
Speaker 2: And then now it's available.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's available if you go on there.
Speaker 2: And I would I wanted if it was seen by
Speaker 2: Sarah Jessica that she didn't feel like she was a
Speaker 2: bad writer.
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice, you know, so at least the.
Speaker 2: First three pages where she would flip there would be
Speaker 2: then thick looking.
Speaker 1: Oh they just duplicated. Okay, I don't think anyone. I
Speaker 1: don't think the sale is closed or whatever song you
Speaker 1: we'll be hearing more, got it?
Speaker 2: The first two pages or key pages, this pros and
Speaker 2: the rest is just every I'll work and no play
Speaker 2: makes jacket from the shining. It's just it's just repeated, repeated, repeated,
Speaker 2: repeated prop.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's super funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's some legitimate writing by me. Wow wow, asked
Speaker 2: Kerrie writing a book, Maybe.
Speaker 1: Craig should go on Julian's and did.
Speaker 2: Craig actually said to me a couple of times, Page
Speaker 2: what about this auction? Like I always feel like I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel the same way like I don't know if.
Speaker 2: I want to see any of our magic. I know,
Speaker 2: down to a table.
Speaker 1: I know. I mean they have Myrtle's dog bed, Richard
Speaker 1: Bird's dog bed, and the little Taco dog toy. I
Speaker 1: kind of want that.
Speaker 2: You know what I have in my office? I have
Speaker 2: Charlotte's white opaque drinking glasses in.
Speaker 1: Every bedside or from the kitchen from.
Speaker 2: Sex and the City kitchen, And every time I get
Speaker 2: a drink of water, I have that white opaque.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have like six of them.
Speaker 1: That was a good one. Good call. Charlotte lamp. Have
Speaker 1: Charlotte's pink lamp from the Very very.
Speaker 2: Fantastic and in and should have at one point. Carrie
Speaker 2: has a very tiny silver shamrock necklace sauce with a
Speaker 2: little diamond chip in it. And Pat Field and Sarah
Speaker 2: Jessica gave me a duplicate of that. It's such a
Speaker 2: delicate that I wore it, Baby Chain. I wore it
Speaker 2: from the minute they gave it to me Season four,
Speaker 2: all the way through and up till the movies, and
Speaker 2: I actually took it off when the first movie wasn't
Speaker 2: going to go. Oh, because we thought it was going
Speaker 2: to go, and then it wasn't going to go. Couldn't
Speaker 2: make the deal. Couldn't make the deal. And that night
Speaker 2: it was three. The script was ridiculously long, it was
Speaker 2: three hundred pages. I had a big fire. I had
Speaker 2: a big fireplace in La outside.
Speaker 1: I remember what we did the ceremony on New.
Speaker 2: Year's Eve, and I said, all right, I have to
Speaker 2: let this go. And I took the three hundred page
Speaker 2: script and I sat in front of the fire and
Speaker 2: I started throwing pages and like I was in an
Speaker 2: Ibsen play. And then and then it was so hot.
Speaker 2: I was like I started throwing in thirty at a time.
Speaker 2: And I was still there, my knees were and I
Speaker 2: went upstairs and I took off the chain ceremonially, and
Speaker 2: I put it away, never to be thought of again.
Speaker 2: And the next day they called and said, they made
Speaker 2: the deal. We're doing the real way. God, how you
Speaker 2: made it, got it?
Speaker 1: This is fascinating all.
Speaker 2: Those years wow, wow. And I called that baby chain
Speaker 2: because it was so deelius.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but where's the necklace? Where's the next? Oh good,
Speaker 1: it's say good good good carry.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, there it is.
Speaker 1: Oh look there's the picture. There's the picture. That's it.
Speaker 1: It's totally can you see it? Yeah, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for answering that question. We have asked that question and.
Speaker 2: Like, definitely not in because that was that was fall right.
Speaker 2: That's pink that got.
Speaker 1: It, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.
Speaker 1: That makes so much sense, I think because Cynthia all
Speaker 1: were already had Sam when we met her. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously super maternal in her own way. Right, everyone is
Speaker 1: maternal in their own way. So I had forgotten, like
Speaker 1: when you're really because now I'm steeped into characters much
Speaker 1: more more than I was when we were originally making them.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this this is crazy, that this, you know,
Speaker 1: she's so.
Speaker 2: Like hardball, hardball, rocketball.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, everything she says about being a mother, she said, okay, kids,
Speaker 2: let's forget my life.
Speaker 1: I mean literally everything she says about.
Speaker 2: Love, yeah, well she says to carry at one point. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know what else is interesting? There's some things that
Speaker 2: I didn't write, and I wrote lines off of Carrie
Speaker 2: and it happens twice off a reaction. The first thing is, Okay,
Speaker 2: what's what the eyes? You said? Oh, yes, given the eyes. Yes,
Speaker 2: there's no really words I could say. I just had
Speaker 2: them say.
Speaker 1: It was great. And it reminds me. Do you remember
Speaker 1: later when Charlotte.
Speaker 2: Just like that, you give the big But what about
Speaker 2: in the Miranda scene where Carrie is saying, she's saying,
Speaker 2: you're not going to have it? She gives her a look, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, I'm going to give up everything I wanted
Speaker 2: in life and have Steve's baby pizza for everyone. The
Speaker 2: sarcast god is intense, fantastic buzz saw. And you know
Speaker 2: that really leads to the fact that when they did
Speaker 2: those polls back in the day when we were doing
Speaker 2: the show, who do you identify with?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was always like eleven percent Miranda. And I
Speaker 2: was like, bullshit, I know so many Miranda's, but they
Speaker 2: don't want to attach to that wildly sharp wit, sarcasm
Speaker 2: and uh negativity. What was so important? You know? No
Speaker 2: one wanted to identify with that, even though that's a
Speaker 2: lot of the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also, I mean, Marena's brilliant, brilliant, had great jokes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: great jokes and like she's not wrong.
Speaker 2: Miranda had one of those things that I love is
Speaker 2: when a character has a sense of humor and you
Speaker 2: know what, like it's not the writers putting jokes in
Speaker 2: her mouth, Like Miranda has a sense of humor, and
Speaker 2: Miranda has imagine saying something funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like a.
Speaker 2: Character an actress doing a joke. It's like Miranda's funny, right.
Speaker 1: She's funny and whip smart, I mean, super smart and
Speaker 1: insightful and just going to call it like it is.
Speaker 1: I mean it's quite something too of fault absolutely, but
Speaker 1: still yes, yes, So when she does, I mean I
Speaker 1: really was just thinking like, yeah, this is a stretch,
Speaker 1: Like this is a big stretch to have Miranda just
Speaker 1: suddenly decide. But when she's in the waiting room with Carrie.
Speaker 2: Oh that is interesting because it was kind of as
Speaker 2: you said, none of the writers in the writing room
Speaker 2: were at the trying to have children or having children. Yet.
Speaker 2: I think Julie might have kids when we met her,
Speaker 2: Julie Julian and we're together.
Speaker 1: I think they were together, but I don't think they
Speaker 1: had a kid.
Speaker 2: Well they don't because their kids are thirteen and seventeen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we're way past those, right, right, they had babies after.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the thing that Miranda says that's interesting is what
Speaker 2: about when I'm forty something and her scary age, her
Speaker 2: scary age. Yeah, she says, Charlotte's having trouble now. And
Speaker 2: then she says, is this my baby?
Speaker 1: I know it's cuts? Oh it cuts. It's so good,
Speaker 1: It's so good. And that's also like he's just so good,
Speaker 1: you know, She's just like, I mean, everyone's so good
Speaker 1: when I look back. I mean, not that I didn't
Speaker 1: think they were, but you know, the layers.
Speaker 2: The layers, layers, and that the complete evolution. There's a
Speaker 2: slight evolution in everyone from doing it and being it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: being it. At this point, everyone's just being it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you guys are acting and stuff, but you're sort of
Speaker 2: embodying it. You're just living in it. Everybody's very relaxed
Speaker 2: and happy, and we all know what our jobs are.
Speaker 2: And the writing is leaving space. Oh you mean, like
Speaker 2: there's space for you to feel underneath it. Yeah, you're
Speaker 2: saying jokes but filling them in with subtext.
Speaker 1: And yeah, but that's also the editing, Like you guys
Speaker 1: were editing amazing because like there'd be silences where I
Speaker 1: remember in the beginning it would cut cut when you
Speaker 1: spoke right and then like you might have a two
Speaker 1: shot reaction. But now there's so many silent.
Speaker 2: Became a very It had a great vine. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: it grew into a great vibe where there was pace
Speaker 2: but also unexpected, like people were surprised every week.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm surprised rewatching it and I thought I
Speaker 1: knew everything, but I do not.
Speaker 2: There was a surprising Oh, they're going to Miranda's pregnant, right,
Speaker 2: how are they going to get away with that?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: What are they going to do with that? Now Miranda
Speaker 2: has a baby? How's Maranda going to be Miranda?
Speaker 1: I know, I can't wait, Just like how is.
Speaker 2: Anyone going to be a mother? Yes, they still maintained themselves.
Speaker 1: It's a huge question. It's still an ongoing question.
Speaker 2: It was we laid a ball, yes, and yet still
Speaker 2: seems current.
Speaker 1: Well, this is why we're still talking about it, why
Speaker 1: it's on Netflix, and why all kind of young people
Speaker 1: come up and talk to me about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So nice, Yeah amazing. Yeah, Well I just want to.
Speaker 1: Talk about the comeback for a second too, because like
Speaker 1: when I think about you, And I thought about this
Speaker 1: when we were at the Human Rights Campaign when the
Speaker 1: package rolled, which is so brilliant and so many different
Speaker 1: things in different shows and different so so many different ways.
Speaker 2: It was a package that I put together of all
Speaker 2: my LGPTQ plus characters and the straight friends yeah.
Speaker 1: The Allies, the Allies yeah, and the visibility. The award
Speaker 1: was for the visibility, And it was so brilliant to
Speaker 1: see it altogether because there was so much right, was
Speaker 1: so much over so much time too, and it was
Speaker 1: just beautiful to look at. And each show obviously is different,
Speaker 1: it has a different vibe, and that's what I was
Speaker 1: thinking about when I watched the Comeback. It's so incredibly different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it has so much heart, but also I'm laughing
Speaker 1: out loud. It also has so much to say about
Speaker 1: our culture but also our industry. But also her is
Speaker 1: just a human trying so hard, and you love her
Speaker 1: so much and you just feel for her and like
Speaker 1: it's almost like everything is just stacked against her all
Speaker 1: the time and she's trying so hard. Like the one
Speaker 1: that I watched this morning, which when I was talking
Speaker 1: to Juliae and Alisa last week I made the mistake
Speaker 1: of watching Motherboard rewatching Motherboard while I was doing my makeup. Well,
Speaker 1: then I had to start all again because man, did
Speaker 1: it get me bad. You know, I mean it cuts
Speaker 1: straight down into the grief and the loss so great,
Speaker 1: so incredible and so then but then what they said
Speaker 1: was that you were the one who had said, we
Speaker 1: are going to do this, Like it was on the whiteboard,
Speaker 1: we are going to have a death's going to be
Speaker 1: a Miranda's mother. This was not something that was being
Speaker 1: done in television in general and comedies, you know, it
Speaker 1: just wasn't. But you said we're going to do this,
Speaker 1: and then they didn't know who would be assigned witch scripts.
Speaker 1: And then as it was coming closer, you were like,
Speaker 1: you guys, and it's just so incredible what they were
Speaker 1: able to do. And then the next one, a change
Speaker 1: of address that they wrote, also incredible, like wow, And
Speaker 1: they really said that was because you like kind of
Speaker 1: brought them in, you know, they met with Darren. They
Speaker 1: almost missed the meeting because they were going to get
Speaker 1: on the plane because they're so funny, and then their
Speaker 1: agent was like, no, you're going. And then they went
Speaker 1: to the writer's room and you were there and you
Speaker 1: just kind of cultivated them, and then you would also
Speaker 1: lean in their office and say you're fired.
Speaker 2: Well, they were terrified.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love.
Speaker 2: Terrifying.
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely so good. But also they were just like
Speaker 1: little kids. They were so young.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's smart and so clever and originals my mother
Speaker 2: board myself. That's their story. It's so sad. Mac the
Speaker 2: computer died. That's them and that was a good story.
Speaker 2: And then I took a big swing and said, you
Speaker 2: do the funeral. And you know, they're all us. They're
Speaker 2: all us. So you know, it is thrilling to be
Speaker 2: able to completely have different vibrations of shows and still
Speaker 2: have something that you feel as important humanity to them.
Speaker 2: So you know, the Comeback has a wild sort of
Speaker 2: wheels coming off the cart pace that we didn't have
Speaker 2: in a lot of shows, right, but it does have
Speaker 2: it suits its personality, oh most definitely.
Speaker 1: So this morning I was watching as I was getting ready.
Speaker 1: I think it's just the most recent one where at
Speaker 1: the end, you know, they found out I don't know,
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not straight. Yes, the leak, which also
Speaker 1: made me laugh out loud, but then at the end
Speaker 1: I was just so crushed and then I was like,
Speaker 1: don't cry, you gotta go Jamaica on see Michael Patrick.
Speaker 1: But I mean it was oh so good when things
Speaker 1: have just like and it's not her fault. It's not
Speaker 1: Valerie's fault, but no one sees everything that she goes through.
Speaker 2: They the whole TikTok world turns against her, and any
Speaker 2: actress can sort of imagine that nightmare. But the thing
Speaker 2: that's great about that episode and why you probably cried,
Speaker 2: is because the husband comes home.
Speaker 1: Oh thank god. I was so worried. I was so worried.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. If you're going to write sad, give
Speaker 2: them something definitely to be okay about.
Speaker 1: Thank God, I guess you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. That's what we did on every
Speaker 2: You know, if Charlotte can't get pregnant, give her a
Speaker 2: friendship where she sees someone loves her. And then she
Speaker 2: showed you know, it's all about don't leave them there.
Speaker 2: They can get enough of.
Speaker 1: That in real life in real life, definitely.
Speaker 2: But to reflect life and then sort of elevate or
Speaker 2: not elevate, but like bring a little bit more energy
Speaker 2: up to it so you have a little bit of overview,
Speaker 2: So you can sort of cry in a.
Speaker 1: Good way definitely, well cry in a connection connected way,
Speaker 1: like you're connected and you feel But also it's like
Speaker 1: a kind of about our culture in a way, you know,
Speaker 1: like the thing like we're just like this, one tiny
Speaker 1: part of a story leaks and blows up and then
Speaker 1: the wrong person's blamed, and then someone might be trying
Speaker 1: to defend that person, but then the other person still blamed,
Speaker 1: and it just feels like the world is against you
Speaker 1: and doesn't understand you, and it's like so just deeply
Speaker 1: upsetting the culture.
Speaker 2: You know, it is a very challenging time to be
Speaker 2: an individual totally. It'll go further. A human definitely is
Speaker 2: a machine.
Speaker 1: Definitely.
Speaker 2: You know, everything that's so great about art, acting in it,
Speaker 2: writing it, directing, it is about being a human. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like saying hey, this hurts, it's funny, and it's
Speaker 2: this and it's that. So that's why I think we're
Speaker 2: always sort of be here because I agree we're looking
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 1: Yes, and and AI is not us.
Speaker 2: No, no, And there's been a million million attempts at
Speaker 2: doing some brand, but unless it has the spark of
Speaker 2: that individual group, right, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Track, right, And it's also I believe that the things
Speaker 1: that made people laugh and or cry are unexpected things.
Speaker 1: So how is AI going to be able to do
Speaker 1: unexpected things if it's just uh, what's the word when
Speaker 1: you're like reading everything and then spitting it back at you.
Speaker 1: There's a word. I think it's called Okay, there's a
Speaker 1: better word, but I can't think of it. But you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's not a it's not an
Speaker 1: original thinker, right, So how is it going to surprise anybody?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, there is a ton of television that doesn't command
Speaker 2: your heart or soul.
Speaker 1: I know you enjoy it, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You can just watch it. So you know, people always
Speaker 2: thought when we started the Comeback it was really about
Speaker 2: the emergence of reality TV and it wasn't going to
Speaker 2: kill in the narrative storytelling. And it didn't. It just
Speaker 2: made a very tacky wing on the house, totally like
Speaker 2: a tacky wing. Sure that if you enjoy it, I
Speaker 2: have a judgment. If you enjoy it, you can go
Speaker 2: over there. But you can still go see adolescence. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know there's a still a world, yes, where there's
Speaker 2: some very human expression and then just stuff to watch right,
Speaker 2: so I'm sure a I will find it's that's a
Speaker 2: good point.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's a good point. How many
Speaker 1: episodes more do we have of the comeback coming?
Speaker 2: There's eight in total and they just aired six.
Speaker 1: Oh no, Michael, what are you gonna do next?
Speaker 2: I'm thinking and dreaming and imagining. And it's a very
Speaker 2: interesting moment because I don't have any ip right now.
Speaker 2: I have to create something completely new, and it's thrilling.
Speaker 1: Well, that's exciting.
Speaker 2: It's very exciting.
Speaker 1: Are you well rested? Have you gotten rest? You have?
Speaker 2: Still a little bit like a crack monkey looking for
Speaker 2: the button because I just came off the big press
Speaker 2: tour in the machine of it. But I don't think
Speaker 2: I ever rest. I think I it's hard to picture.
Speaker 2: Calm down a little bit and I dream and I
Speaker 2: then start thinking something else, like what's coming in next?
Speaker 1: That's good?
Speaker 2: What's coming into the antenna? Yeah, what's the next? So
Speaker 2: it's exciting as long as there is a next, and
Speaker 2: I think there will be.
Speaker 1: How could there not be? Come on?
Speaker 2: We need you, yeah, we need you. We got to
Speaker 2: work together again, I know any time.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we'll see if I can find anything interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's tough out there to find interesting
Speaker 1: stuff after you've had what we've had, you know, do yes,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Like there's people that I meet and I
Speaker 1: like them, right, youngsters, really young young directors, and I
Speaker 1: think like, yeah, yeah, I could go. I could go
Speaker 1: and work with them. I could go and work with them.
Speaker 1: But then it's like.
Speaker 2: It's tard because.
Speaker 1: It doesn't pull all of you, like the parts aren't.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, should I do it? If I
Speaker 1: don't care that much? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It's hard to be open to be surprised. Okay, because
Speaker 2: I just had a meal with two really exciting up
Speaker 2: and comers and I'm like, wow.
Speaker 1: Well that's how I feel about Benny and Mary Beth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, I like, I was like, wow, those
Speaker 2: are and they're self made and they're doing and remember
Speaker 2: we had an evolution. Everyone's going to have an evolution. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the thing is.
Speaker 1: Uh, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2: That's good to thinking of people as wild cards.
Speaker 1: I mean, the people. I'm totally not upset with the people.
Speaker 1: It's more the overall project. And I think it's because
Speaker 1: I'm spoiled right.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of great ideas out there that
Speaker 2: are getting a lot of light.
Speaker 1: No, so you know, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anytime people see you, they're excited. Just but you do
Speaker 2: have a level now that you want to maintain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that's the that's the difficulty.
Speaker 2: That's where it gets scary. It gets scary how long
Speaker 2: can I maintain my level?
Speaker 1: But it's not even so much about that because some
Speaker 1: of that I I understand that we're in a chaos point, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm not so much it's more about the level
Speaker 1: of excitement of the actual creative work. That's where I
Speaker 1: get hung up.
Speaker 2: Here's the facts. Yeah, you have a lot to give,
Speaker 2: and you've been asked to give fully. To give a
Speaker 2: third or less or less feels a little bit disappointing.
Speaker 1: Right, And then I don't want to go if I'm
Speaker 1: going to feel disappointed because I don't want to let
Speaker 1: the people down. Right, such a hard thing to navigate.
Speaker 1: I feel like I should send you these things. I
Speaker 1: think we're done now, we probably because now we're going
Speaker 1: to just you know.
Speaker 2: Start talking about projects.
Speaker 1: Totally, which you know, we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know this is.
Speaker 2: Say yes or no to it.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, thank you, thank you. I mean you won't
Speaker 1: you're shaking your head. I mean it's a joy. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many things I was supposed to ask you about.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but I forgot. But I don't care, because
Speaker 1: it's just a joy to follow you in a conversation. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to We love you so much, and
Speaker 1: I love you pass