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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Tenderfoot TV podcast or girls, Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's Payne Lindsay here. A few months ago, live from

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Speaker 1: the Tenderfoot stage at Crime Con, I got a chance

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Speaker 1: to sit down and talk to Kyle Tequila, host of.

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Speaker 2: Crook County, and Dennis Cooper, the host of Culpable.

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Speaker 1: We discussed both of their true crime podcasts, but also

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Speaker 1: dove a lot deeper into how these shows are actually made.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed my conversation with these two amazing podcasters.

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Speaker 1: These guys are true crime podcasters like me. They have

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Speaker 1: their own investigations and stories that they've told. I'm huge

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Speaker 1: fans of theirs, and I've known that for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I think we all have kind of our own unique

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Speaker 1: experience in this space and also like a lot of similarities,

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Speaker 1: and I just kind of want to just rip it

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Speaker 1: open with I'll start with you while for those who

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Speaker 1: don't know, what is this? Just the log line of

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Speaker 1: your story, your podcast? And sure you came to us

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Speaker 1: years ago and I was like, Okay, holy shit, we're

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Speaker 2: But for those who don't know, tell them what the

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Speaker 2: premise is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kirk County is the story of my dad who

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Speaker 3: lived a secret double life as a Chicago mafia hit man,

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Speaker 3: and the whole family, including myself and my mother, didn't

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Speaker 3: us for thirty something years, and I found out when

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Speaker 3: I was like twenty nine. He was already married, I

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Speaker 3: was already planning on having a kid, and now I

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Speaker 2: So what am I supposed to do with this information?

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Speaker 3: And so it took me years to kind of digest

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Speaker 3: all of that, and then I started recording just for posterity,

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Speaker 2: It needed to be a show.

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Speaker 1: So I've watched the Sopranos and stuff like that. I

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Speaker 1: know what it's like for it to be your true story,

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Speaker 1: because a pardon me is like, that's badass, but that's

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Speaker 1: definitely not what you thought.

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Speaker 3: Well, what's weird is I still don't know what it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like we knew that he was this big

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Speaker 3: So it's weird knowing now that that whole part of

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Speaker 2: So that's crazy to think about. Yeah, what was your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my first reaction was your fullest shit, like are

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Speaker 2: Have you lost your mind? Now? Mind you?

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Speaker 3: He was also like I put him through rehab and

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Speaker 3: Time, as he started telling me more and more of

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Speaker 3: Know, if he wasn't such a fuck up part of

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Just Culporable Season one. Like you getting

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so not a personal story so much, you know,

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Speaker 5: working with strangers on the contrary, but as you know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, so I've been That's what I've been saying,

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Speaker 1: From them telling the story of an unsolved case. And

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Speaker 2: I'm treating it like I am.

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Speaker 2: That family just happens to be my family. The human

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Speaker 1: Thing, oh for sure, and absolutely that manifested different ways.

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Speaker 5: Yeah right, Well, I think ultimately it's just enjoying what

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Speaker 6: Whatever those qualifications you know, I.

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Speaker 2: You do Oh yeah, yeah, I have. I have a PhD.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, just you know, being being passionate about it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, as a college drop out, I probably shouldn't

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, like I was as a kid,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think ultimately it's like you said, making

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Speaker 6: It was like you clearly didn't sound like you knew

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Speaker 5: It sounded like you were walking around with a zoom recorder,

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Speaker 6: And that amazed me.

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Speaker 1: In the future, going forward, in any other project you do,

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Speaker 5: Doing different seasons of culpablel means you know, you can

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Speaker 5: So I mean, I think in some ways, like each

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like you like, yeah, just coming up with it

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Speaker 6: You know, I messaged you when High Strains came out.

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Speaker 1: Like that you should at that's that like your story telling,

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Speaker 6: You have to like take a vacation after you finish this.

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Speaker 6: Who am I?

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Speaker 5: Under the eyes is always the dead giveaway when you

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Speaker 1: And you got to like take care of yourself to

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Speaker 3: a disservice to whatever the story.

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Speaker 2: Is, right, or you should be a pressure there. Yeah

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Speaker 2: for sure. I mean that's another thing too.

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Speaker 3: But like some of the stuff that I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you've done this in yours, but like you were

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Speaker 3: doing stuff that was like live, like you were editing

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Speaker 3: and then like the next episode like it's releasing next week,

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Speaker 3: Like that's got.

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Speaker 2: To be insane.

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Speaker 1: It's important to sort of like check yourself, balance yourself

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Speaker 1: to make sure you're you're doing it the right way,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's always a rule I learned in

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Speaker 3: Hollywood a long time ago is nobody knows what they're doing,

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Speaker 3: and nobody knows what they're talking about, no.

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Speaker 2: Matter how successful.

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Speaker 3: And I think to some degree that's extremely true, right,

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Speaker 3: you know, And so you just you can't beat yourself

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Speaker 3: up if you're trying to do your own thing. You

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Speaker 3: just gotta go and do it and believe in yourself

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Speaker 3: and just persistence is key, and just keep cranking away

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Speaker 3: and like it'll just start to make sense and it

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Speaker 3: will just start to get good. If it's not good yet,

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Speaker 3: it will if you just keep working at it. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's what makes us a little crazy. You

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Speaker 3: kind of have to be a little crazy.

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Speaker 1: To do it, yeah, a little bit, because like, not

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Speaker 1: everyone's gonna be like yes, correct, right, Like there's a

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Speaker 1: period of time whereone was.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't I don't really get what he's doing,

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Speaker 2: to be honest, and you're like you got to push

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Speaker 2: through that part and you're like, damn, maybe they're right.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't be doing any of this ship. Yeah right,

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Speaker 2: and that but like that and that applies with anything.

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Speaker 3: But also but no, fuck those people because you believe

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Speaker 3: in yourself. So just do what you want to do.

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Speaker 2: That's true. So don't be like, Wow, this guy just

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Speaker 2: doesn't care about anybody. Just fuck fuck us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah really, so, I just realized I'm just wearing a

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Speaker 3: lot in this pan.

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Speaker 2: I apologize. It's fucking fine. Sorry, I'm from chicag I

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Speaker 2: don't worry about it, but this is fucking grime guy.

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Speaker 1: Dude, Thank you guys for sitting here and listening.

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Speaker 2: To us talk talk shit for a little while. This

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Speaker 2: has been really enjoyable.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys were at least mildly entertained or you

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Speaker 1: learn something, or at least you're like, Okay, I'm never

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Speaker 1: fucking with those guys again, you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: This conversation was live from Crime Con with Kyle Tequila

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Speaker 1: and Dennis Cooper.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't already, be sure to check out Cook

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Speaker 1: County in the new season of Culpable, and stay tuned

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Speaker 1: for some exciting new shows coming very soon from Tenderfoot