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Speaker 1: DJ like Uh, it's a great day. End of the week.

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Speaker 1: certainly big reason why we were able to take some

429
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Speaker 1: of the steps as us so this last year. Defensively

430
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 1: that that we're so excited about. So the Chargers don't

431
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 1: even know how good one they got yet. And and

432
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,679
Speaker 1: the fun thing too is as a player, this guys,

433
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 1: this guy is still getting better. Man. I mean he's

434
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Speaker 1: he Uh you know, didn't really play that position much

435
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 1: in high school, was very new to him here, and uh,

436
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 1: that combined with an intense work ethic, they're they're gonna

437
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Speaker 1: have a great player for a long time in my opinion,

438
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 1: you know, coach. One of fun things and talking to

439
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: NFL coaches is to kind of pick their brain on

440
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 1: what they're looking at. I had a science to talk

441
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 1: to Selver offensive coordinators who told me they had been

442
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,199
Speaker 1: pouring over Oklahoma tape. So when you think about the

443
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Speaker 1: next level in the NFL, are you surprised to see

444
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 1: more college concepts kind of leak into NFL playbooks. That's

445
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,439
Speaker 1: been good to see, honestly, I know earlier in my

446
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: career it certainly felt like that, you know, if you

447
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: didn't run like an NFL or what quote on pro

448
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: style offense in college that that there was It's almost

449
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 1: like you're playing two different games, and there was really

450
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Speaker 1: like no correspond that's with those guys. There was, um,

451
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: it was interesting. There was just very few the guys

452
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 1: in the NFL that would even you know, talk to

453
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 1: you or want to have a conversation or talk ball. Again,

454
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,479
Speaker 1: it's almost like you're playing two different games. And so

455
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 1: it's been fun to see, you know, I think the

456
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 1: league kind of head that direction. Um. I've enjoyed it

457
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 1: because it's it's honestly made pro football, I think more

458
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: fun to watch. UM. I think it's certainly opened up

459
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: the lines of communication and being able to talk all

460
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: with some of the best minds in the NFL has

461
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Speaker 1: has been something we've been really excited about and uh so,

462
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Speaker 1: and I know it's certainly helped our players. So I

463
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Speaker 1: think not only you know, a goal of ours here

464
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Speaker 1: is not only to have players that get drafted high

465
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Speaker 1: and have a great initial opportunity, but also like what

466
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Speaker 1: your what's your success right, what's your batting average on that?

467
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Speaker 1: Or your players getting there and producing and and and

468
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Speaker 1: getting off the good starts. And I think that's helped

469
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Speaker 1: a number of our guys because a lot of things

470
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Speaker 1: are doing here, they feel some type of carry over

471
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Speaker 1: when they get to their protein at interesting to you

472
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Speaker 1: say that. I was talking to a personnel director before

473
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Speaker 1: the draft and he was saying, I'm okay, if we

474
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Speaker 1: want to just draft LSU players, Oklahoma players, Alabama players,

475
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Speaker 1: because we feel like we know what we're getting, uh,

476
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Speaker 1: from a culture standpoint, If you're gonna try and define

477
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Speaker 1: the culture at Oklahoma UM. What what is it, coach, Well,

478
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Speaker 1: I think first is off the field and the expectations

479
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Speaker 1: here of how you need to act, of how you

480
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: are expected to carry yourself, how you're expected to work, um, honesty,

481
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: all those things those core values. Not that we're perfect

482
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Speaker 1: with it, not that we don't have a guy that

483
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Speaker 1: that that that slips every now and again, I think

484
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Speaker 1: everybody does. But our our our expectations are firm, and

485
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Speaker 1: there's repercussions for that, and our players know that and

486
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Speaker 1: so hopefully walk into pro locker room, uh, you know,

487
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Speaker 1: continuing that on on the field, I think it's this

488
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 1: is a team first place. This place is about a

489
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Speaker 1: standard of play, It's about winning UM and we we

490
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Speaker 1: want our guys to have into dual goals aspirations. I

491
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Speaker 1: want every one of our players to have that. But

492
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Speaker 1: it's got to be done within the framework of of

493
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: our team and and an understanding that if we do

494
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Speaker 1: it well and we keep the team first and foremost,

495
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Speaker 1: that the things that that our guys want to happen individually,

496
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Speaker 1: you know, will happen. And uh, we've been I think

497
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Speaker 1: a pretty good example of that you know, coach, last

498
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Speaker 1: one for me, if you can sum up like what

499
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Speaker 1: you're looking for in a recruit in one word, what

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Speaker 1: is the one trate that Oklahoma recruit must have for

501
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Speaker 1: you to take them off? Man? Tough to tough to

502
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Speaker 1: narrow down into one word, but I think I think

503
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Speaker 1: we're looking for the all around success um, and I

504
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: just think in this day and age, it's so much

505
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Speaker 1: more important and just simply what they can do on

506
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Speaker 1: the field. I mean you you're looking for guys that

507
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Speaker 1: are the total package, and guys that care about their academics,

508
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: guys that care about their their reputations, that care about

509
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Speaker 1: the decisions they make off the field, that are serious

510
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Speaker 1: about winning, they're serious about working UM, and that are

511
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Speaker 1: good people and so yeah, I just shoot, the total

512
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: package is is uh, certainly what we're searching for each

513
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Speaker 1: and every day. Coach. You've been very generous with your time.

514
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Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough. I guess my only my

515
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Speaker 1: only piece of advice I could give to Lincoln Riley

516
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Speaker 1: would be the lamp shade just a little bit crooked

517
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Speaker 1: behind you. Outside of that, I think you're good man. Control.

518
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Speaker 1: After I get these quarterbacks straight, I'll get on the

519
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Speaker 1: lamp shade. How about that, hey, coach, that was awesome. Man.

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Speaker 1: I know you've got a lot going on, and uh,

521
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Speaker 1: I know you appreciate you taking some time for us.

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Speaker 1: Stay We appreciate it, man, absolutely, most definitely. You guys,

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Speaker 1: stay safe. Good here in front of you. Well, there

524
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Speaker 1: you have it, Bucky. Just impressive. Although he does need

525
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Speaker 1: to fix that lamp shade. We gotta get that lamp

526
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Speaker 1: shade fixed a little bit. I mean, I get the

527
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Speaker 1: head coach Oklahome making good money. Let's get that thing

528
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Speaker 1: straightened out over there. But what yeah, what a good dude. Huh,

529
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: the great dude. Man. We talked to him a few times.

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Speaker 1: And I think the thing that is most impressive well,

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley is his aptability when it comes to the quarterback. Um.

532
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Speaker 1: A lot of us, a lot of coaches in general,

533
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Speaker 1: are really tied to their system. And I think the

534
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Speaker 1: beautiful thing about Lincoln Riley is he understands that the

535
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Speaker 1: system is the framework, but he caters the system to

536
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Speaker 1: really elevate the talents of the player. So the system

537
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Speaker 1: that he ran with Baker Mayfield was a little different

538
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Speaker 1: when he had Calibury, which was a little different when

539
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Speaker 1: he had Jalen Hurts, and in each of those systems,

540
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Speaker 1: all three quarterbacks played very very well. And so credit

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Speaker 1: to him because it is uncommon for a coach to

542
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Speaker 1: be able to do those kind of changes and three

543
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Speaker 1: consecutive years with three different players and still have a

544
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Speaker 1: ton of success. So I've got a coaching philosophy question

545
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Speaker 1: I want to hit you on. And for those who

546
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Speaker 1: don't know, Bucky coaches high school football and and uh

547
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: has really done, uh an unbelievable amount of research and

548
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: homework on the top coaches at every level, reads every

549
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: book he can find, and and it's really dug in

550
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Speaker 1: on the coaching side of things as he as he's

551
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: entered into this new world. But I look at at

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley's resume, right, and so you see the offensive

553
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: coordinator at a very young age at East Carolina UM

554
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: and he was there from ten to fourteen. And it

555
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: got me thinking about this, thinking about a guy like

556
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Speaker 1: Joe Brady, Right, Joe Brady could have continued to stay

557
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Speaker 1: on the path he was on with the New Orleans

558
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: Saints and been you know, grown into being a position coach.

559
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Speaker 1: And then maybe you're talking, you know, five years down

560
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Speaker 1: the road, maybe he's a coordinator there at the NFL level,

561
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: I think you're better served as a coach to drop

562
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Speaker 1: down a level and start designing and calling plays. Designing

563
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Speaker 1: an offense, create an offense, and call plays. I think

564
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Speaker 1: that's how you can have the most success and get

565
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Speaker 1: there quicker. So in other words, if you're a division one,

566
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Speaker 1: you know you're at You're at Alabama, and you're the

567
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Speaker 1: you know, receiver's coach, I think you're better off going

568
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Speaker 1: to Tennessee State and being the offensive coordinator and trying

569
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Speaker 1: to really really hone your craft and get good at

570
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Speaker 1: play calling, because then what that's gonna do is it's

571
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Speaker 1: gonna lead to you getting a coordinator job at a

572
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Speaker 1: bigger school. I'd much rather go from having experienced calling

573
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Speaker 1: plays kind of almost in the dark, so to speak.

574
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Speaker 1: We're not as many eyes are on you. You're learning,

575
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: you're growing, you're adapting, you're making those mistakes, and then

576
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: you get up to the bigger job as an offensive coordinator,

577
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: you're ready for it. Um As opposed to saying, I'm man,

578
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: I've been the uh, you know, the the the uh

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Speaker 1: the receiver's coach of the running backs coach and now

580
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Speaker 1: with a sudden bam, I'm gonna power five school. I'm

581
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Speaker 1: calling plays for the very first time. Your mistakes are

582
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Speaker 1: being made in front of everybody, and it can be

583
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Speaker 1: over quick. Absolutely, I agree with you. DJ. Experienced matters,

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00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: and the only way to get experiences you've got to

585
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: get the owned the job training. And I'm a believer

586
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: that all football is the same. I know we kind

587
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: of distinguished and differentiate people by levels, but I think

588
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: we have seen with so many people having success from

589
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Speaker 1: the lower ranks coming up and succeeding that football at

590
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: the lower levels can give you enough experience to really

591
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: succeed at the D one level. And so Lincoln Riley

592
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: did it, did a great job. He was out of

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Speaker 1: the public, he wasn't harshly uh scrutinizer or evaluated. When

594
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Speaker 1: he was at East Carolina. He developed an offensive system,

595
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: he was able to kind of learn what works what

596
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: doesn't work. He then gets a better job and he's

597
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: better prepared to succeed. So yes, I agree, you can

598
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Speaker 1: still at the higher level at as a position coach,

599
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Speaker 1: But man, the only way to learn how to run

600
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Speaker 1: a unit is to run a unit. Sometimes you have

601
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Speaker 1: to check the ego at the door. Run an offense,

602
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: run a defense, run a squad, and it would put

603
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: it put you in a better position to not only

604
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: get a better job running a squad, but it may

605
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: elevate you to the point where you can be a

606
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Speaker 1: head coach. Now, we talked about the blending between Saturday

607
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: football and Sunday football. A great example, you know, Joe

608
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: Brady goes from the NFL to the college level, has

609
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: tremendous immediate success, and boom, he's He's now back in

610
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Speaker 1: the NFL as a coordinator, just like that. Because I

611
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Speaker 1: don't think that the NFL looks down on college football

612
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: like maybe they did a decade ago. Yeah, not anymore.

613
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Speaker 1: I think everyone respects what's coming up through the pipeline.

614
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Speaker 1: And I think the more that Saturday and Sunday football

615
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: kind of meshed together, the more we're going to see

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Speaker 1: teams dig down into the collegiate rains to find some

617
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: creative offensive and defensive minds. Anything else that that jumped

618
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: out to you from from the conversation there with Lincoln Riley. Now,

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Speaker 1: the only thing is they've done a great job of

620
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Speaker 1: developing wide receivers. They have a system in place they

621
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Speaker 1: understand how to do it. We've seen guys D D. Westbrook,

622
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Speaker 1: Uh come out of dear Sterley Shepherd has come out now.

623
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Speaker 1: I've seen how they were brown like they just get it.

624
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: But it makes sense. You have good quarterbacks, you typically

625
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: have good pass catches and playmakers. It works hand in hand. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say if you if if n C double

627
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Speaker 1: A instead of playing football, which Oklahoma has been great

628
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: at right been in the playoff a zillion years, They've

629
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Speaker 1: been ultra successful. But if if it was a seven

630
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Speaker 1: on seven tournament Oklahoma have, they'd have them won the

631
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Speaker 1: last what four or five national championships there at Oklahoma absolutely,

632
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Speaker 1: because they can definitely score points. They can't stop anybody.

633
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: They definitely can score points. Getting better, They're getting better

634
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: on the better. Guess all right, anything else you want

635
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: to add before we jump out of here, Buck, No,

636
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Speaker 1: I mean it's a podcast. It's always great to have

637
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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley on one of the best offensive mine is

638
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: one of the best coaches in football. I love picking

639
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: his brain. Do you want to remind everybody, Buck that

640
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: they can catch the TV show if you missed it,

641
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Speaker 1: It was on six pm Eastern on Thursday. We have

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Speaker 1: and then eight am Eastern time on Saturday, they can

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Speaker 1: Make sure you kissed the TV show. A lot of

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Speaker 1: good nuggets came out of that, Yeah, fun show, so

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Speaker 1: I would encourage you to check that out if you

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Speaker 1: did not catch it live. All right, that's gonna do

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. Right here on move the

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