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Speaker 1: Welcome back. But he's good. Mom's bad choices.
Speaker 2: I'm Erica and I'm Mela, and it is hump Day,
Speaker 2: Happy Wednesday, everybody.
Speaker 1: We have a special guest today. I'm really excited because
Speaker 1: this is probably the most special guest I've ever had,
Speaker 1: partly because or most importantly because it's my dad.
Speaker 6: And also just happens to be a RAMS All Star.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're gonna figure out very quickly that Bemoke,
Speaker 1: me and Tamila don't know anything about football.
Speaker 6: All Star, no Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: To say that I played football Hall of Fame running
Speaker 1: back Eric Divererson aka my dad. Maybe we should have
Speaker 1: researched tomorrow.
Speaker 7: Anybody else are like right now research other other people?
Speaker 7: You know, you just talk to me.
Speaker 1: Welcome, thank you, thank you. We wanted to have my
Speaker 1: dad on a because we've either both yet to have
Speaker 1: any of our parents on So you know, first, you
Speaker 1: guys listen to us every week and you kind of
Speaker 1: get a feeling about who we are. We talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, how we've grown up and who we are,
Speaker 1: but you've never like actually met any of our parents.
Speaker 7: So my dad, here's my dad, Hey, what's happening my daughter?
Speaker 1: We have we shared the same name, you share the
Speaker 1: same face. Definitely the face I keeps coming in and
Speaker 1: it's too early for this already.
Speaker 7: What's wrong?
Speaker 1: You want to come in here? Come on, come in here,
Speaker 1: come on, thank you upset about she's already upset, come on,
Speaker 1: come on. Okay. Anyway, so obviously he's a father, so
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 7: On parent hunt, I understand.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 7: You know. I used to be like this too. You
Speaker 7: wouldn't listen like, oh my gosh, but you're a good baby.
Speaker 7: You know you were.
Speaker 1: I was apparently not great teenager.
Speaker 6: But oh my god.
Speaker 2: Last last week, Eric had told everybody about the time
Speaker 2: where she sprayed her mom with the waterhouse.
Speaker 7: Oh my god. And then she called, oh my god.
Speaker 6: I was listening to the episode of the car and
Speaker 6: he told the story again and I was cracking up.
Speaker 1: I said, but I hadn't even heard it. It wasn't
Speaker 1: my fault.
Speaker 7: I can tell her. I can tell you. Your mom
Speaker 7: called me. She called me, and she said, can you
Speaker 7: say bad words on this? She called me, She said, Eric,
Speaker 7: what are you doing? I said no. She said, I'm
Speaker 7: gonna kill this little beach.
Speaker 1: She said, I knew. She said I would have said
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 7: I said, what happened? She said? She said, First of all, uh,
Speaker 7: she did they talking to pay for the house or something,
Speaker 7: tell the people to card in the house. And she
Speaker 7: said she, I know, she know, I know she know
Speaker 7: who did it. And I said, well, she might know.
Speaker 7: I forget that. She's gonna tell me I'm not gonna
Speaker 7: be your bitch. Oh yeah, she said that that's what
Speaker 7: you said to your mind. Well her her mom kind
Speaker 7: of got got a little argument, and then Erica said,
Speaker 7: I don't know who did it, Mom, I don't know.
Speaker 7: And then she s Then all of a sudden, men
Speaker 7: said I but I sprayed it with the hot water holes.
Speaker 7: And he said, I'm not gonna be your bitch. So
Speaker 7: I I laughed a little bit. I said, hey, I said,
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna have a talking to you like that.
Speaker 7: I said that I will call her. So she hung up.
Speaker 7: I called you. I called you right away. I said
Speaker 7: that was going on nothing. I said, you know what
Speaker 7: happened with your mom? And you proceed you s proceeded
Speaker 7: to tell me, well she did this. I said, oh,
Speaker 7: stop right there. I said, I'm not trying to hear that.
Speaker 7: I said, you said to her, I'm not gonna be Yeah,
Speaker 7: I said that, you said, but I said, I, I said, Erica,
Speaker 7: I don't give a damn what your mom that that
Speaker 7: voice is scared, I said, I said, I said, I said,
Speaker 7: you're not talking to your mom. I don't care what
Speaker 7: she did. Talk to your mother like that. You understand, Okay, damn,
Speaker 7: I said, I say, going into it and going and
Speaker 7: apologize to her and then called me back when you apologize?
Speaker 7: So you did what I told you. You went in
Speaker 7: you you're a good kid. You went anybody, but if
Speaker 7: man did, I laughed, Oh my god, I was telling everybody.
Speaker 7: She thought, I'm not gonna be bitch.
Speaker 1: Did you You're not gonna because she made you the car? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that, And then she kept yelling at me.
Speaker 1: I spread.
Speaker 7: It was so funny.
Speaker 3: She was reading at my.
Speaker 1: As I was cleaning the car, and they're like, how
Speaker 1: about now?
Speaker 7: So that's it? Because I told you, I said, your
Speaker 7: mama be on the ground with fighting and rattling around
Speaker 7: the ground. You said no. I said, well, hell, that's
Speaker 7: what your mama's gonna do, right, So you know, but
Speaker 7: like I said, you were good. You a good teenager.
Speaker 7: Everybody everybody, Well, I can tell you as much I
Speaker 7: was scared of you. Well, I said one thing and
Speaker 7: one thing I told you I talked to you about
Speaker 7: uh and I was dating athletes because I told you that.
Speaker 7: I said, let me tell you something. I said, I
Speaker 7: want you to still with atholetes. I mean, I know
Speaker 7: you like some guys when I f you're guys when
Speaker 7: you were younger, but nothing serious. And as I know of,
Speaker 7: I said, still with atholetes. I said, I said, look,
Speaker 7: I said for me, I said, you know, I know
Speaker 7: how we are. I know things were going to say.
Speaker 7: I told you just up front, you old and I said,
Speaker 7: I said, they're going to tell you all the stuff
Speaker 7: they wanted you want to hear, to get in your pants,
Speaker 7: I said. And after that, I said, you just another number.
Speaker 7: I said. One thing is is that when you become
Speaker 7: that girl to athletes. I said, it's it's something you
Speaker 7: can't shake for the rest of your life. I mean,
Speaker 7: you can't shave, you can't shake that, that stigma you
Speaker 7: can be an old lady. And I said, oh, that's
Speaker 7: that old boy.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting seems to be a big hold you.
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean you can't. I mean, because I'm
Speaker 7: telling you that you you can't shake it. I mean,
Speaker 7: you really can't. Women that we I see, right, now
Speaker 7: that I've known thirty something years when that when I
Speaker 7: was in my twenties, and you know, I was in
Speaker 7: the twenty they when they twenties. But I know some
Speaker 7: of the stuff they did and the jacket we put
Speaker 7: on them like to say it and it's cool day,
Speaker 7: cool girl. Still you still look at them as that
Speaker 7: that whle.
Speaker 2: You know, well, that's an interesting a that you're an
Speaker 2: athlete and you told her first and foremost to not
Speaker 2: date any other athletes.
Speaker 6: And it's also interesting that that jacket that you wear.
Speaker 6: You know, if you hoe in your twenties, you're likely
Speaker 6: to be hoeing.
Speaker 1: We're not likely, but you.
Speaker 7: Know you can change. I mean, look they people women
Speaker 7: change me and change too. I mean they really do.
Speaker 7: I mean you don't because it's a lot of women
Speaker 7: and people dads, they become bothers, they become mothers and grandmothers,
Speaker 7: and they don't do that much things they did when
Speaker 7: they were young. But you just can't shake it.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this because I'm sure as
Speaker 2: an athlete, a lot of I'm not saying you, but
Speaker 2: a lot of your me too.
Speaker 7: I wasn't I just said me too.
Speaker 6: I'm sure a lot of athletes are promiscuous.
Speaker 7: Oh Wed, look, you ain't got a sugar cot that
Speaker 7: we hold I was a home yeah, okay, so it's
Speaker 7: nothing to be proud of.
Speaker 1: You can't agree that.
Speaker 2: That's like, that's the jacket you're going to have to
Speaker 2: be labeled as because for a prime, like a long
Speaker 2: amount of time, that was your If you're.
Speaker 7: An athlete, well you know, for a guy, yes, you know,
Speaker 7: but you know it's different for men. And and now
Speaker 7: I'm not saying it's right. And let's get that straight
Speaker 7: right now. You know, when you're young and you're male,
Speaker 7: you do things I mean and and and men we
Speaker 7: can do things that women can't do. And it's not
Speaker 7: saying it's right. It's like, because men, we can have
Speaker 7: sex with a woman. And okay, be clean up me.
Speaker 7: I got to hit home to my wife, a girl.
Speaker 7: Hold on, I'm like, hey, baby, I gotta go home.
Speaker 7: You know, and have no emotions. We you have, I mean,
Speaker 7: I really have no emotions. All this is sex to us. Well,
Speaker 7: women are different, I mean and and and that's just
Speaker 7: that's that's the reality of it. I Mean, some women,
Speaker 7: some women can do what men do, but it's just
Speaker 7: not a good look, it's not even a good look
Speaker 7: for us. I mean, and you and I'm just being
Speaker 7: honest about it. When you get older, you see it
Speaker 7: like that.
Speaker 1: I mean you definitely didn't see it like that.
Speaker 7: I was trying to hit as many as I could.
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, I just just the truth. I mean,
Speaker 7: I was that guy. I mean I was. I mean,
Speaker 7: I'm saying I was young. I was good looking back
Speaker 7: in the day. I had, I had the body, and
Speaker 7: I had I had it all. I had my man.
Speaker 7: I just got the shower, have my towel so low,
Speaker 7: log in the mirror. Then I got up there. I
Speaker 7: got to like I got titties. I gotta go my
Speaker 7: neck almost like embarrassed.
Speaker 1: Is gone coming gone year A pair of confidence with
Speaker 1: women and money.
Speaker 7: And started and started. I think the big thing is
Speaker 7: to start them, you know, you and I and I
Speaker 7: wasn't that guy that I wouldn't. I was not arrogant,
Speaker 7: you know I was. I didn't never try to. I
Speaker 7: didn't like to ain't you know, mistreat women. You know,
Speaker 7: even like a lot of girls I went out with,
Speaker 7: even way back then, we're still friends. I mean we're
Speaker 7: still even get the girl, those kind of girls because
Speaker 7: you know, I just in some ways I felt bad,
Speaker 7: but I always try to treat them nice, unless you know,
Speaker 7: you say something across me, oh man, then then you're
Speaker 7: finna get the real cursing out. I mean, to a
Speaker 7: certain point, I'm respectful. I'm I want to be respectful
Speaker 7: because I feel like everybody has feelings and they do.
Speaker 7: Even when I was young, I felt like that, but
Speaker 7: still I was doing what I did. I mean, and
Speaker 7: you know all of us guys did it. I mean,
Speaker 7: it was just it was you know, like I said,
Speaker 7: we'll not to be proud of.
Speaker 1: I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Respect that a lot of men, I think, especially more nowadays,
Speaker 2: younger guys.
Speaker 1: This generation is a little bit different.
Speaker 6: Not like you can even see like the music and
Speaker 6: shit that we listened to, like not only do like
Speaker 6: it's one thing I'll get. I'm a woman, and some
Speaker 6: of homes it's just hopes.
Speaker 7: Some people are Some girls are just I mean, some
Speaker 7: women are just they just what they hold they and
Speaker 7: some guys, I mean, they still try to do that,
Speaker 7: have that same life at fifty sixty years old, still
Speaker 7: out that whole and they having three and four. I'm like,
Speaker 7: what the hell I'm gonna do with three and four women.
Speaker 7: At fifty years old, I can't hardly stay awake at night.
Speaker 1: But at least, like I'm saying, the difference is, you know,
Speaker 1: you respect people.
Speaker 8: You might not want to be in a relationship or
Speaker 8: marry the jack or the guy, however you were respect people.
Speaker 2: And I think my biggest issue with a lot of
Speaker 2: younger men or men now is that there's like a
Speaker 2: disrespect and disregard.
Speaker 1: That goes for a women.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of bitches and hose and a lot
Speaker 6: of name calling, and I think that is kind of homosexual.
Speaker 6: Well home, I mean, I think he I think you
Speaker 6: like women, but you like pussy, but you don't like women.
Speaker 7: And I think that's no, it's it's not even that.
Speaker 7: A lot of it you gotta understand is how you raised.
Speaker 7: You know, your upbringing. That's what it comes down to.
Speaker 1: What do you think your upbringing had to do with
Speaker 1: while you like, I think there's a man, also was
Speaker 1: just a man.
Speaker 7: I was a man, but I was young and you
Speaker 7: know my mom and dad. They mean my mom because
Speaker 7: my dad died when I was seventeen, but my mom
Speaker 7: kept a close rain on me. I mean, almost like
Speaker 7: a girl like I can do nothing. I mean seriously,
Speaker 7: So I was like, boy, when I get out of here,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna get it. I mean, like the preacher's daughter,
Speaker 7: the preachers.
Speaker 1: Something, really is it? Because you were an athlete?
Speaker 7: And no, no, my mother was my mom and dad
Speaker 7: was real strict, they have you know, their morals were,
Speaker 7: you know, real morals. But you know, my mother was
Speaker 7: always like, let me tell you some boy, you know
Speaker 7: you ever hit a woman? If everything about you knowing
Speaker 7: when I beat your ass, right, you know? And I
Speaker 7: was and I talked. I was taught at a young age.
Speaker 7: You know, you don't hit women. You know, you don't
Speaker 7: disrespect people. And now you're don't let anybody disrespect you either.
Speaker 7: So that's how I was taught, and I was. My
Speaker 7: dad always had a saying, you treat people the way
Speaker 7: you want to be treated. And he told me at
Speaker 7: a young age. And I still believe that. I mean,
Speaker 7: I treat a person like I'm not. None of us
Speaker 7: are better than anyone. I mean, these these bullshit, I'm
Speaker 7: gonna say it, like the so called like super superstars,
Speaker 7: you know, different from you know, different from the guy
Speaker 7: that that delivers the trash. What are you I mean,
Speaker 7: when it comes time to die, you're gonna die just
Speaker 7: like I am. They can have the biggest funeral in
Speaker 7: the world, still gonna put your ass in the ground,
Speaker 7: you know. So that was that's just that's that's my belief.
Speaker 7: And I think, you know, some guys, I mean I
Speaker 7: see it. I still see it now, Guys who got
Speaker 7: this big head and they and they treat people. Excuse me,
Speaker 7: my mind kind of fucked up.
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't like it, but you know,
Speaker 1: I can only imagine how it gets worse as you
Speaker 1: age out of an app being athlete, like being an
Speaker 1: athlete that might be that treats people badly or at
Speaker 1: the top of your game, and then suddenly you're retired
Speaker 1: and you're not the hottest anymore. Like how do those
Speaker 1: bath like guys that you came up with, Like, have
Speaker 1: you seen how how how that has changed them? Or
Speaker 1: does it make them worse?
Speaker 7: Sometimes?
Speaker 1: Is it humble?
Speaker 7: Sometimes good and bad? So some of them are humble
Speaker 7: and some of them are even worse because some of
Speaker 7: us still they they stars people right, and they're right,
Speaker 7: they are right, but they're not the young guy. They're
Speaker 7: not the they're not like just cause they're not the
Speaker 7: Odell Beckham, they're not the Todd gurlies.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not currently playing.
Speaker 7: Those are the current guys and there they are, but
Speaker 7: some guys think they're still current. You know, like a guy,
Speaker 7: you know, he'll say, you know, I'm the greatest, I'm
Speaker 7: the greatest. You know, I guess some guys say that,
Speaker 7: you know, they feel like they are. But you know
Speaker 7: it can be humble. You see some guys who are
Speaker 7: humble by it. And you see guys say, man, I
Speaker 7: would I would a nice guy. I wouldn't hold a
Speaker 7: nice guy back then. And you see guys that are
Speaker 7: you know, that still have that I'm better than you attitude, right,
Speaker 7: and it just goes both ways.
Speaker 1: But what what was your upbringing? Like?
Speaker 2: Where were you just because I know you're from Texas,
Speaker 2: where you're like, did you come from like a two
Speaker 2: parent home?
Speaker 1: Was it pretty normal?
Speaker 7: Well, I'll say as much. Ye, I came a two
Speaker 7: parent home. I was adopted. Uh, my mother had me
Speaker 7: when she was fifteen years old. I found my my
Speaker 7: mom was my I was told she was my sister.
Speaker 7: So I found out there was a teacher that my
Speaker 7: mother was my mother, who my real mom was my mother.
Speaker 7: A teacher told me in school one day.
Speaker 1: Holder you.
Speaker 7: I was, uh, I think I was thirteen and your
Speaker 7: teacher told you that. My teacher told me, uh yeah,
Speaker 7: teacher told me.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 7: Yeah. It was out of fighting. Uh. The lady's name
Speaker 7: was miss Holiday. She's passed away. Miss Holliday was her name.
Speaker 7: And my mom my real mother's name miss uh miss
Speaker 7: Holliday or I can't think of. Bonna Ruth Holiday was
Speaker 7: her name, Bonne Ruth Holiday, and uh, she was my
Speaker 7: two my teacher and so class was old and she said,
Speaker 7: s I want to stay up the class area. I said, okay.
Speaker 1: So she like premeditated.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, when I watched it, I going to that.
Speaker 7: She said, uh. She said, so, uh have you seen
Speaker 7: your daddy? I said, I said my dad. My dad
Speaker 7: said home. She said, no, boy, you're real daddy. I said.
Speaker 7: She said, go home and ask your mom. Go in there.
Speaker 7: She said, come. My mother called him miss Red. That
Speaker 7: was uh kind of her nickname. My my my my
Speaker 7: adopted mother was miss Red Bowler. She was real light,
Speaker 7: so they call her miss Red. And she said, uh,
Speaker 7: that's who you're real. You're real. You know your real
Speaker 7: daddy is so I said, oh, okay, so I onegause
Speaker 7: I went home.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 7: And I walked in the house and my my mother
Speaker 7: was standing Baola. It was my adopted mom. She was
Speaker 7: really my great great aunt. Yeah, she was standing and
Speaker 7: my dad was sitting and I said, Mama, I said, uh,
Speaker 7: who is Richard Seals? And I never I still remember
Speaker 7: her reply, what who the hell told you that? And
Speaker 7: I said, miss Holliday, what the hell did she tell you?
Speaker 7: She said that Richard Seals is my dad. And y'all
Speaker 7: now my parents. My dad was sitting there and he
Speaker 7: said and she bought. She went off cause my mother
Speaker 7: had a bad temper. I mean she was like a
Speaker 7: pistol packer. I mean I mean seriously, I mean.
Speaker 1: She was no joke cause I never knew that side
Speaker 1: was like so so much older by the time.
Speaker 7: My r like y how yeah, Mama was. She was tough.
Speaker 7: I mean she was really tough. Like her dad killed
Speaker 7: uh killed a man, you know, he was brother killed
Speaker 7: and killed his wife. I mean they were they didn't
Speaker 7: mess around, right, And so she said my dad said
Speaker 7: settle down because she called her red, settle down, Red,
Speaker 7: sat it down. She said, what the hell did that
Speaker 7: bitch tell you, And I said, she told me that
Speaker 7: that that Helen is my real mother and y'all adopted me.
Speaker 7: And I remember my dad's reply, He said, I knew
Speaker 7: it was about time for us to tell him. He said,
Speaker 7: sit down there, But my mama was all us. So
Speaker 7: she called Helen. It was his next door and she
Speaker 7: she said, Helen, come over here and told this boy
Speaker 7: by the Richard and I can I heard the dog
Speaker 7: the screen door slam. She next and it was about
Speaker 7: sixty yards away. She come running over. Oh Helen, Helen, Helen,
Speaker 7: what did that bitch tell you? What did she? I said,
Speaker 7: So he said, settle down, settle down. My dad was
Speaker 7: so come set down. So all the women were freaking
Speaker 7: freaking out. So she said, I told her. I told her.
Speaker 7: She told me that. She said that you you and
Speaker 7: my mama and they're not my parents and they adopted
Speaker 7: me because I would always tell Mama my real mother,
Speaker 7: Helen because I thought she's my sister. Told me she's
Speaker 7: my sister. I said she would tell me to do something.
Speaker 7: I said, you ain't my mom, you can't tell me
Speaker 7: what to do. And she oh, she said, say she
Speaker 7: she told me. She later she told me, say said,
Speaker 7: I'm your mom, your little I said, I tell herself.
Speaker 7: Because she couldn't say nothing, And so she went over
Speaker 7: she was gonna kill her. Yeah, she wants she wanted
Speaker 7: to get the pistol to go kill her. My dad,
Speaker 7: you know, wouldn't take her take the gun. So she
Speaker 7: went over to her house. Yeah, went over to her
Speaker 7: house and beat on her. Bitch opened this door cause
Speaker 7: she don't. They lived about one hundred yards away.
Speaker 1: For everybody to know everybody's business.
Speaker 7: It is a small time. You got to think it's
Speaker 7: a smaller two thousand. I don't fault two thousand people
Speaker 7: who that house she went to live straight ahead and
Speaker 7: coming down you know the street, the house or straight
Speaker 7: ahead cross, that's where she lived right there. Yeah, so
Speaker 7: I got, hell, bitch, come out of you mother telling
Speaker 7: this boy body, you ain't got no right to do that.
Speaker 7: So anyway, I kind of settled down, and then they
Speaker 7: told me the whole story.
Speaker 1: You know, how did you feel when you were when
Speaker 1: when they were asking you that, were you like and
Speaker 1: disbelief or were you no?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 7: You know, you know it answered some questions because I
Speaker 7: always wondered why my parents were older than everyone else,
Speaker 7: just just curiosity. Like then they adopted me. I think
Speaker 7: Mom gonna said they were like sixty, like fifty eight
Speaker 7: or sixty when they adopted me.
Speaker 1: So then by this time they were like their seventy yeah.
Speaker 7: The seventies. Wow. Then when the seconds my dad died.
Speaker 7: I think he was seventy two when he died. So
Speaker 7: you know, it was just kind of everybody's parents generally,
Speaker 7: except my parent. You know. You know, I just I
Speaker 7: didn't cause I ain't nobody sex and all that kind
Speaker 7: of stuff, having having babies, so that she was Yeah,
Speaker 7: I didn't. I didn't know because they talk about you know,
Speaker 7: I was still talking about to tell about the Stark,
Speaker 7: the delivered kids, the little kid. They were still telling
Speaker 7: us to that line. The start came out or the
Speaker 7: start came out last night, beautiful baby. So but it
Speaker 7: didn't it it didn't. It didn't change me. I mean
Speaker 7: it really it didn't. It didn't change much.
Speaker 1: I mean didn't change your relationship with your your real mom.
Speaker 7: Or your sister and like how did that you know,
Speaker 7: remember it's been so long, but it gave by men.
Speaker 7: Helen just came my sister and brother. I mean, we
Speaker 7: were you always did.
Speaker 1: You always feel like she was Did you ever feel
Speaker 1: like she was like your mother at any point? Because
Speaker 1: I feel like growing up, like I always felt like
Speaker 1: you guys were daughter like son and son and mother.
Speaker 1: But maybe that's just because I knew that that's what
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 7: And so yeah, I mean it was you know, I
Speaker 7: can say for me it was like luckily, it was
Speaker 7: like I had two moms. It really was. It was
Speaker 7: like Helen was my mother and Ball was my mom.
Speaker 7: I mean, both of them had that moment.
Speaker 1: You reserved like more respect for.
Speaker 7: One, like Mama Boola because because she raised me. I
Speaker 7: mean she was she was, but I know she said that, yeah,
Speaker 7: that motherly thing. Yeah, because the one thing she was older.
Speaker 7: So I was always kind of like worried about her
Speaker 7: because she's old. And I remember my dad died, you know,
Speaker 7: I remember my dad died. You know. She was by herself.
Speaker 7: It was just us, even though my mother and her stepfather,
Speaker 7: my husband was my stepfather right next door, which was
Speaker 7: probably thirty yards. I saw them every day like my
Speaker 7: brothers and sisters, and I told they told they were
Speaker 7: my cousins, you know, so that they really were my
Speaker 7: brothers and sisters at yeah, but at least it wasn't
Speaker 7: born yet. But Robert and Leo, so.
Speaker 6: After you found out they still So these were your cousins.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, so you're real Mom.
Speaker 6: Helen she had she had kids after you.
Speaker 1: You still were not, but you were still relatively young too. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Like yeah, when Sheen she had when she had known it,
Speaker 7: she had my brother Lee Leo. She was young because
Speaker 7: she had me, she was fifteen, and she got my
Speaker 7: brother Robert next, and then she was older. I think
Speaker 7: I think I'm fifty eight and uh I think known
Speaker 7: he's I think he's fifty fifty fifty one, Okay, So
Speaker 7: it was like and and him and Leo they're only
Speaker 7: like thirteen months apart.
Speaker 6: And they didn't know either.
Speaker 7: Uh No, they didn't know. They were too young. They
Speaker 7: didn't they didn't they didn't know, but you know, it
Speaker 7: was it was, it was I can say it's you know,
Speaker 7: it's been so hard to remember back then, but it
Speaker 7: didn't change anything.
Speaker 1: You were angry.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't angry at all. I wouldn't want them kind
Speaker 7: of kids to be angry because, first of all, Baller
Speaker 7: wasn't having that angry shit. You can get that noth sense.
Speaker 7: I ain't angry about what your ass whipped me. Let
Speaker 7: me angry, but I won't forget. One time, man, I
Speaker 7: was I was thirteen years old. I think I was
Speaker 7: about fifteen, and I rolled my eyes. She said something.
Speaker 7: I rolled my eyes. Man. She was to door and
Speaker 7: got that shotgun, said boy, I'll kill your black ass.
Speaker 7: You blow shoote. Don't you ever roll your eye. I'll
Speaker 7: never forget that. And I said, Mama, please don't shoot me.
Speaker 7: And then later on I said, Mama, you got that
Speaker 7: gun and shoot me? Said no, one loaded. But I
Speaker 7: didn't know that. Hell no, I never talked back, even
Speaker 7: when I got older. I mean I one time she
Speaker 7: was yelling at me. I'll be so mad. I was
Speaker 7: in the pros, playing pro football, but I didn't say
Speaker 7: nothing back. One time I came home, I was supposed
Speaker 7: to take her to the mall or something. I didn't
Speaker 7: do it. She yelled and cursing me, and I got
Speaker 7: my rental car. I went back to the airport and
Speaker 7: I just went back to California and leave. I say nothing,
Speaker 7: Do you think like?
Speaker 6: Because I don't know if you know this has a
Speaker 6: like not a similar.
Speaker 7: Story with our situation is very similar. I know too,
Speaker 7: And we talked to him that you guys. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: his he found his dad lived right across the street.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he was having an affair with Yeah, the.
Speaker 7: Mom was having some of them. The dad was having
Speaker 7: a fair with the mother. Right was right across, right
Speaker 7: up the street.
Speaker 1: It was right right years he thought who he thought like, he.
Speaker 7: Didn't even know that was that his dad.
Speaker 1: He just thought he didn't have a dad. I forgot guy, Yes,
Speaker 1: I think that he was his real dad.
Speaker 6: Is married a woman across the street, his wife and
Speaker 6: their kids, and he just didn't know he he just.
Speaker 2: Thought he didn't have a dad until he somehow later
Speaker 2: in life he found out that that that man was
Speaker 2: his father and.
Speaker 1: All his neighbors were his siblings.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, do you I don't know where
Speaker 2: he's Do you think this is something that has happens often,
Speaker 2: like the black community, You think it's down south?
Speaker 6: Do you think it's just some shit that happened.
Speaker 7: It happened it, It can happen black, white, It could
Speaker 7: happen anywhere. But I mean, I think you know, we
Speaker 7: black people have a tendency to keep it quiet in
Speaker 7: the family, and that's how it was back in those days,
Speaker 7: in the sixties and seventies. You kept it quiet. I mean, uh,
Speaker 7: you didn't talk about you didn't tell. I mean it
Speaker 7: basically like like Mama, my mother didn't I mean, Biola,
Speaker 7: you know, told her telling that I was a mother.
Speaker 7: That was my mother. I mean, I'm that was my sister.
Speaker 7: I mean that lie went on till I found out, right,
Speaker 7: I mean, would have just kept going. I think it would.
Speaker 7: I think eventually that told me, Uh well, I think
Speaker 7: I think for a while, I probably started I started
Speaker 7: asking questions, cause I did have some questions I wanted
Speaker 7: to ask, but you never asked them. I have that man. No,
Speaker 7: you don't ask them kind of questions back in them days,
Speaker 7: not to like these kids now, they'll pop up to
Speaker 7: their mom like, Mama can't stand you. You know, if
Speaker 7: you mom, you know, oh my god, I'd have been
Speaker 7: dead so long ago. I mean really, cause mother, she
Speaker 7: cleared to kill me if I told her of y'all
Speaker 7: can't stand you by f you that that don't happen.
Speaker 7: I mean, but you know, it's just that that's how
Speaker 7: life is. That's how life was for back in in
Speaker 7: the South, in the small town do you think that.
Speaker 6: That experience affected like your parenting it anyway.
Speaker 7: You as a father, I think maybe, you know, I'll
Speaker 7: say for me, you know, when I think of my
Speaker 7: daughter Erica here, you know what I mean. I me
Speaker 7: and my mom, you know, got together, and you know,
Speaker 7: my mom got pregnant. I wasn't ready to have a child.
Speaker 7: I mean, I was still immature. I was twenty six,
Speaker 7: I think twenty six years old, twenty five. Wanted to
Speaker 7: be a twenty six I was. I was immature. I
Speaker 7: mean I really was. I mean, you know, and I
Speaker 7: was always a big believer that men mature for women,
Speaker 7: just because you know, we but mature before women. I
Speaker 7: used to believe that. I thank you. I laughed too
Speaker 7: that it's funny. It's a big joke. It's it's a lot.
Speaker 7: But you know, as a man, you don't want to
Speaker 7: hear woman mature before you. I mean, come on, we're men,
Speaker 7: we mature first. But trust me, it did. It doesn't
Speaker 7: work with that happened like that, you know, I told her,
Speaker 7: I tell Erica, I say, and I made a lot
Speaker 7: of mistakes. I made a lot of mistakes, you know,
Speaker 7: with my mother and my mom two both of us
Speaker 7: both were young. But I made a lot of mistakes,
Speaker 7: a lot of mistakes that I can't correct and make
Speaker 7: right because you know, Erica's older. You know, things that
Speaker 7: wasn't always smooth. You know when she was coming up.
Speaker 7: You know, I didn't see it for a long time.
Speaker 7: And I tell people, you know that got kids, Guys,
Speaker 7: You're like, man, that baby, I said, Man, it's not
Speaker 7: that child's fault. I say, I'm gonna tell you. I say,
Speaker 7: don't regret, don't have regrets. I say, like me, I
Speaker 7: have regrets because they see how close we are now.
Speaker 7: But I still tell them I have regrets. I mean,
Speaker 7: I have things that I wish that I could do over.
Speaker 7: And I think a lot a lot of you dads, man,
Speaker 7: don't be mad. I mean, look, sometimes in some cases
Speaker 7: the women ain't worth the damn, but it's not the
Speaker 7: child's fault. It's not that child's fault, and vice versa.
Speaker 7: Sometimes the man ain't worth a damn right, and the
Speaker 7: woman be like, you know that, that's sorry, but that's
Speaker 7: still that child's dad, And some day they might want
Speaker 7: to have a relationship with the day even though he
Speaker 7: ain worth She says, no, it's not you know, and
Speaker 7: you know, as bad as me and her mom got
Speaker 7: along back then, you know, I tried never to say,
Speaker 7: look your mommy with a damn your mon I mean
Speaker 7: I didn't want. I didn't want to do that.
Speaker 1: I never heard. I don't have any memories.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't want to do that because because I
Speaker 7: kept it to myself, I didn't. I didn't want. I
Speaker 7: was I always yeah, did, but but but I always
Speaker 7: wanted to know it. That's a mother, you know, that's
Speaker 7: that's something more. That's why when when you tell your
Speaker 7: mama gonna be your bitch, you thought it was funny.
Speaker 7: But I did think it was funny. But still no
Speaker 7: matter if me and her, me and my mom wasn't
Speaker 7: getting along there, but still one thing was I'm never
Speaker 7: going to have the child respect them, disrespect their mother
Speaker 7: because I saw the sacrifice some mom made for her,
Speaker 7: you know, even dealing with my crazy ass back in
Speaker 7: the day. Because I won't forget it. Our Christmas party,
Speaker 7: this was about I don't know, long time ago I
Speaker 7: told you. I don't know if you might never told
Speaker 7: you what I told her?
Speaker 1: Is this when I when is this? When they came
Speaker 1: they came to the d This was the first time.
Speaker 1: It was New Year's.
Speaker 7: It was New Year's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that day. I'll never forget it because
Speaker 1: it was the first time my parents ever celebrated any
Speaker 1: holiday together. I was like literally going in the bathroom
Speaker 1: crying by myself, like tears of joy. I was like you,
Speaker 1: like it was right. It was like a year for Iri.
Speaker 7: Damn, yeah, it was. It was a long time ago.
Speaker 1: It was like six years ago.
Speaker 7: It wasn't It wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 3: Six years ago.
Speaker 7: It wasn't that long ago. I mean. And I told
Speaker 7: her Mom, I said, I said, I want to talk.
Speaker 7: I told her, I want to talk to you about something.
Speaker 7: And uh, I said. Then I said, I want to
Speaker 7: say this. I said, you know when you always agreed
Speaker 7: on things, and uh she said. I said, but I
Speaker 7: just want to say you say to you that I
Speaker 7: just want to thank you for being a good mom
Speaker 7: to child. I said, because I know, I said, I
Speaker 7: wasn't easy to deal with. I said, I said, you
Speaker 7: did a great job with Erica. I said, no, I
Speaker 7: wasn't now all the time. And she said, Erica, I
Speaker 7: just can't believe you saying And I couldn't believe I
Speaker 7: was saying because I mean I told her one day,
Speaker 7: she said, one day we might be friends. When we
Speaker 7: was younger, I said I would never be your friend.
Speaker 7: I told her that I would never be friends. But
Speaker 7: just to go, you show you how all of us
Speaker 7: grow and change. I mean it is I mean because
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean I talked to mom like I
Speaker 7: talked to an about it.
Speaker 1: Honestly. I mean I never thought i'd say the day
Speaker 1: because like growing up, there was always such a big
Speaker 1: divide and there was always like I was in the
Speaker 1: middle playing telephone like tell your mom, tell you God,
Speaker 1: damn so good, and it just just never never I
Speaker 1: just kind of I never had hope in it. I
Speaker 1: just kind of just like my parents, this is what
Speaker 1: it is. And now to see the relationship you have
Speaker 1: with my mom is so surreal. Sometimes like my mom
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I talk to your dad. I'm like
Speaker 1: what me, No, not you actually.
Speaker 7: Just that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: But I love I mean, I love that, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, and I think seeing that also,
Speaker 1: I think, well, because of your my mom and yours relationship.
Speaker 1: Growing up, I didn't want to have kids, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think I even want kids, like,
Speaker 1: because you just never know how things are gonna end up.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're gonna end up with the person,
Speaker 1: you don't know what the relationship is going to be,
Speaker 1: and it just seems real hard. So but then when
Speaker 1: I you know, now that I have one, of course,
Speaker 1: I don't regret it, but I'm not I'm not with
Speaker 1: her father. But seeing the progress, I'm so glad I
Speaker 1: got to see all the bad shit turn into something
Speaker 1: good because now that I I am raising Iri as
Speaker 1: a single mom, it's so important. I know that we
Speaker 1: can cut through all that. We'll have to do all that.
Speaker 1: Let's just not do that, like I kind of let
Speaker 1: it wait twenty five Yeah, let's do that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta go through some stuff to get to the here,
Speaker 1: Like and I realize that because me and him have
Speaker 1: only been separated for a year and a half, and
Speaker 1: obviously this took like twenty five years in the beginning,
Speaker 1: But like, I know that it's possible it happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I know if my parents can come together,
Speaker 1: like and they had a lot of squater under the
Speaker 1: bridge a lot, Like I know that I can too.
Speaker 7: Let me tell you, you're right, that's true. Because you know,
Speaker 7: I can honestly say, and this is I saw almost embarrassed.
Speaker 7: That's it the things you embarrassed a by. When you
Speaker 7: say that you thought, I mean I had. I had,
Speaker 7: as you tell it, I had an unnatural hatred for
Speaker 7: her mother, unnatural hatred. And I said to me, I'm
Speaker 7: so glad. I don't feel like that at all. And
Speaker 7: I never thought that I'd go away. To me, it's
Speaker 7: like it's funny, and I'm like, how could I feel
Speaker 7: like the way about it? That's that's that's your daughter's mom.
Speaker 7: I mean, I can think of my good friend who's
Speaker 7: passed on bird named lewis Combe Bird. He would say, Eric,
Speaker 7: he said, Man, that's the child's mother. Man, you can't
Speaker 7: be here. I said, Man, I say that ain't gonna change.
Speaker 7: He said one day, Well I never thought it would.
Speaker 7: But like I say, man, all that that went on
Speaker 7: between us, no matter what.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was that? Like was it you
Speaker 1: having other cards? That kind of Eric?
Speaker 7: I just think it was just maturity. You just like
Speaker 7: I say, being immature, And I say this selfishness. Men
Speaker 7: were selfish? You know, man, we don't you don't want
Speaker 7: it like me? And I'm a. I'm a realist. I
Speaker 7: just I tell it like it is. You might not
Speaker 7: like it, but it's the truth. Even by myself. I
Speaker 7: was immature and I had a just uh I you know,
Speaker 7: and I I get I sometimes I'm a I got
Speaker 7: that burgo when I get that, when I get a
Speaker 7: hard on for you, it's on it, it's it's it's
Speaker 7: it's not going in right. And I just had to
Speaker 7: let that go because you know, I saw it how
Speaker 7: it would divide us too. You know, it would divide
Speaker 7: me and you, and I didn't want I didn't want that.
Speaker 7: I didn't want to have the relationship. When I think
Speaker 7: about I look at Richard, my real dad. I don't
Speaker 7: have no badges. I don't I don't have nothing against Richard.
Speaker 7: I don't really know Richard. I know it, but I
Speaker 7: don't really know it. Like if I say, I'm like,
Speaker 7: it was that Richard, you know, but I don't bother.
Speaker 7: It's no, it's it's Richard is like that guy walking
Speaker 7: down the street over there. I mean that's I mean,
Speaker 7: that's I mean, that's how I feel about it, and
Speaker 7: nothing nothing, And I don't have no hatred for him,
Speaker 7: nothing like that. But you know, I make sure I
Speaker 7: don't make sure that we didn't I had I didn't
Speaker 7: have that with my daughter. I wanted to make sure
Speaker 7: that you know, she knew me, you know, and and
Speaker 7: knew all about me how much I love her, even
Speaker 7: though for my shortcomings I mean with her mother and
Speaker 7: and it was a lot. I mean, I can say
Speaker 7: it was a lot on me and her too, but
Speaker 7: it's a lot of me because you know, it was
Speaker 7: just just being yon and dumb, like you.
Speaker 6: Took away like your young single baby less freedom.
Speaker 1: Nah.
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I guess in a sense, but no,
Speaker 7: I I gotta say I feel bad because a lot
Speaker 7: of time I didn't see Ercka for a long time,
Speaker 7: and like three years at one point when she was born.
Speaker 7: I mean, and think about that, when you a child
Speaker 7: child used to see the dad boy or girl you
Speaker 7: need to see. You need to have a r a
Speaker 7: bond with your child. And that's something I can't redo,
Speaker 7: you know, And I regret that. But like I said,
Speaker 7: I was twenty six years old, you know, playing sports, traveling,
Speaker 7: you know, girls and they tell you how great you're
Speaker 7: on that little kind of crap. But you know, I
Speaker 7: can say this much, and you know, what really really
Speaker 7: Kemp would kept beating into my head my.
Speaker 1: Mom about old oh I remember, cause I man.
Speaker 7: She would not let it go. She said, Eric, I
Speaker 7: wanna see that child. I wanna see her. I mean,
Speaker 7: both of 'em helen to, they wanted to see you.
Speaker 1: The w that was.
Speaker 7: I'm like, nah, I mean they want, they want, they
Speaker 7: would not. That's a baby, Eric, you know. And and
Speaker 7: then after awhile I could hear my mother, you know,
Speaker 7: just saying there, that's a child. You can't you can't.
Speaker 7: Maybe she don't, she don't deserve that. You know, she
Speaker 7: didn't do nothing so for me, you know, just over time,
Speaker 7: you know, the barriers started letting down, and I talked
Speaker 7: to her mother and we talked, we laughed about certain
Speaker 7: things and you know, wouldn't argue anymore about money. And
Speaker 7: you know, it's my weekend. You didn't come pick up
Speaker 7: today and you know, and so so you know, it's
Speaker 7: just it's just you just change. I mean you really do.
Speaker 7: You you change. That's why I say people can change,
Speaker 7: they really can, but you gotta want to change. I
Speaker 7: mean I could, I could chew, I could have chosen
Speaker 7: to still be angry. You just lost all the years,
Speaker 7: all the years of mine, well my daughter, my grandma,
Speaker 7: grandchild here Iri, I mean that would that would have
Speaker 7: been horrible.
Speaker 1: So do you think that because do you think that
Speaker 1: because your fault, because your faught because Richard wasn't around
Speaker 1: even after you discovered this, that this happened. Did you
Speaker 1: ever feel like an abandonment from your dad? Because I
Speaker 1: know you had a father.
Speaker 7: But like not really now I know, you know, not
Speaker 7: at all. But my dad was Kirie Dickerson. That I mean,
Speaker 7: that was my dad.
Speaker 1: I mean because I mean I made my dad reach
Speaker 1: out to.
Speaker 6: So prior to that, you never had reached out to
Speaker 6: him before.
Speaker 7: I talked to him. I talked to him, I seen him,
Speaker 7: but I was.
Speaker 1: Kind of like, you know, you want to see the
Speaker 1: meeting because like in you know, in middle school, we
Speaker 1: started doing this genealogy things in the family tree. It's
Speaker 1: always so funny for black people because it always ends
Speaker 1: like quick black before slavery. My great grandparents like but no,
Speaker 1: but where are you from? Like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: hate that, but they would ask me about like you know,
Speaker 1: the simple it's it's very it's very quick step into
Speaker 1: the family tree with me, Like grandfather it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I never knew Carrie.
Speaker 6: Oh he passed it.
Speaker 1: He was seventeen, and so I was like, and I
Speaker 1: knew that my biological grandfather was still live, and I
Speaker 1: was like, so one time, I think I asked my
Speaker 1: dad if I could talk to him on the phone
Speaker 1: and ask him some questions, and so I think I
Speaker 1: was in like probably it was around twelve, and so
Speaker 1: I called him, we asked questions, and that was the
Speaker 1: last time I talked to him. And then so this
Speaker 1: day no, So then my dad reconnected with his met
Speaker 1: his sister. Yeah, so Richard when I had other children,
Speaker 1: so he had a sister and she reached out to
Speaker 1: my dad and they started forming in a relationship. And
Speaker 1: then I met her and she was like, you know,
Speaker 1: my dad knows about like about you, obviously, do you
Speaker 1: want to meet him? And I was like yeah, So
Speaker 1: I went to Texas and I met him. And it's
Speaker 1: crazy because my dad looks a lot like him. Really,
Speaker 1: he's like he's lighter than him. But then I see
Speaker 1: I see myself too, and it's so weird to meet
Speaker 1: someone that you've never met, like obviously as you're related
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but when I look at you out there. I
Speaker 7: see I see Helen, Helen, Man, I see I see
Speaker 7: my mother. She looked just like you, even your sister, Eric,
Speaker 7: I mean Carrie, just like my mother Helen. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean I didn't. I mean, man, I just I didn't.
Speaker 7: I didn't feel that for Richard. I mean when I
Speaker 7: lost my dad. When my dad died, it devastated me. Really,
Speaker 7: I mean I was devastated. I mean he I was
Speaker 7: seventy senior years old. I remember the day to this.
Speaker 7: I st remember the day he died November third, nineteen
Speaker 7: seventy seven. I was an ad class like, I will
Speaker 7: never forget what it was. I used to see that
Speaker 7: whole scene all over again. That's how devastated I was.
Speaker 7: I was mad at God because I said, why am
Speaker 7: I because my man, my dad, and people say this,
Speaker 7: my dad was a good man, I mean a good
Speaker 7: Christian man. And you know, you see when you you know,
Speaker 7: you see how people act, you see their actions. How
Speaker 7: my dad was always soft spoken. He talks soft but
Speaker 7: their deep voice. But you know, if he said Eric,
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh oh oh, I must be in trouble.
Speaker 7: And so you know he was such a such a
Speaker 7: good man. I had a buddy of mine, he said,
Speaker 7: he said, Eric, he said, my grandmother, he said, my grandmother.
Speaker 7: He said, I never met your dad. He said, my
Speaker 7: grandmother didn't like nobody. He said, nobody, she said, but
Speaker 7: she talked about your dad. She said that mister Dick's
Speaker 7: Cary Dixon. And she I was a good man. She said,
Speaker 7: he that was a good man. And so when that see,
Speaker 7: that made me see that it's true. I know it's
Speaker 7: true because because because my dad was just he was
Speaker 7: just that guy. It was always about the Bible and
Speaker 7: God that that always came first to him. And you know,
Speaker 7: but I didn't have him long, you know, I didn't
Speaker 7: have him long at all. And still and a lot
Speaker 7: of things that he taught me, like just like you know, forgiveness,
Speaker 7: you know, forgiveness, you gotta forgive something. You can't hold
Speaker 7: these things, and you know, and like I said, he
Speaker 7: died when I was young. There's so much he taught
Speaker 7: me that little bit of time that I still remember.
Speaker 7: And I think that's why, you know, after a while,
Speaker 7: so many years, you know, me and how Mom was
Speaker 7: able to put you know, my part just kind of
Speaker 7: let just let it go. I mean, just just just
Speaker 7: let it go, and this man, it's great now. I mean,
Speaker 7: I mean when I talked to.
Speaker 1: My laugh talk, I mean it's probably away. I mean
Speaker 1: I always say like this too, like I can hold
Speaker 1: on to some ship too, like I'm good at that,
Speaker 1: And but when you let it go, it just.
Speaker 7: Felt so much better, so much better.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, we spend so much energy being mad.
Speaker 1: It takes more energy.
Speaker 7: It takes more energy to be mad because people say, man,
Speaker 7: I said, oh no, cool, really people, I'm cool with
Speaker 7: be in now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: H How do you think from your perspective as his daughter,
Speaker 2: how do you think that affected you?
Speaker 1: Growing up?
Speaker 6: Like they're they're they're not getting along, or him being
Speaker 6: an athlete.
Speaker 2: Like now that you're thirty one and you have your
Speaker 2: own child and now you're a single mom, how how
Speaker 2: do you think that that affected you.
Speaker 1: I think it greatly affected me. Like I mean, like
Speaker 1: you said, like, I think daughters need their fathers, and
Speaker 1: I think because of that, that's why I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to have kids, because I was like
Speaker 1: I I it was really rough growing up, and you
Speaker 1: know their relationship was I just figured it.
Speaker 7: Was never gonna it was never gonna be it was
Speaker 7: boltily sometimes.
Speaker 1: You know, I think also because you know I I
Speaker 1: I D I didn't have him around all the time.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to deal with men either or boys,
Speaker 1: or like how to like talk about things too. I
Speaker 1: I I developed didn't have it early on about like, uh,
Speaker 1: like not letting my emotions go. So what anytime I
Speaker 1: would talk about my my mom would be like, do
Speaker 1: you wanna talk about like your dad? And I'd be
Speaker 1: like hate yo, Like I don't wanna talk about and
Speaker 1: that just like exploded. You're like, Okay, let's let's try
Speaker 1: that again next time. I just I think I like
Speaker 1: learned to like just hold a lot of things in
Speaker 1: and like I think as our relationship has grown, and
Speaker 1: I remember, like one day you called me and you
Speaker 1: were like, I wanna, I need to talk to you,
Speaker 1: and like we sat down. I'll never forget. It was
Speaker 1: in the commons at that fish king place, and you
Speaker 1: told me that mama had covin and you had a
Speaker 1: dream about about our relationship.
Speaker 7: And she told you like you needed to talk to
Speaker 7: talk to you and.
Speaker 1: You did, and I cried, and a lot we both cried.
Speaker 1: And I think that was like the beginning of us
Speaker 1: really like letting like starting to let everything go and
Speaker 1: and work on and work on our relationship. Yeah, do
Speaker 1: I think our relationship is perfect? No? Do I think
Speaker 1: like the the what's happened in the past, do I
Speaker 1: L do I D I look at you like my dad.
Speaker 1: I don't have any other dad, even like my like
Speaker 1: my my mom's be married. And I never like looked
Speaker 1: at As a matter of fact, I would tell him
Speaker 1: all the time, which is probably why me and him
Speaker 1: have a difficult relationship, because I was a very adamant
Speaker 1: about you're not my dad, you know, and like that's
Speaker 1: hard for like someone coming in to a a relationship
Speaker 1: with a single mom. So I'm I'm always I'm actually
Speaker 1: curious about, like ior, like how she would deal with that,
Speaker 1: how like because I know I was not having it
Speaker 1: like when you start to date someone a news seriously
Speaker 1: Yeah mm, but you know I did. I always respected
Speaker 1: my dad, and I w I did fear him most
Speaker 1: of my life. I did cause he would cause you
Speaker 1: would come in and out and then like you'd you'd
Speaker 1: have like my mom has had a different way of disciplining.
Speaker 7: Me my rules and then you had your rules, and
Speaker 7: your rules.
Speaker 1: Were very much like you know, strict and like I
Speaker 1: go get the switch and i'm'a i'm'a beat trapped and
Speaker 1: do that again. I my mom have never talked to
Speaker 1: me like you' and I'm like, oh my god, like
Speaker 1: I'm never like i'd be tiptoeing through his house. I
Speaker 1: remember you like no shoes in the house, and I
Speaker 1: was running in the house like I not want to
Speaker 1: get in trouble with my dad. And my mom threatened
Speaker 1: to call my dad to be like, fuck, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be this is the time he's gonna be spank me.
Speaker 1: Cause I don't never think you ever really spent mere.
Speaker 7: I think after a one time, I think it's maybe
Speaker 7: you one time. I won't forget it one time and
Speaker 7: I made you stand in the corner at the house
Speaker 7: and I still have a picture of it, and she's
Speaker 7: looking over his shoulder like this, and my mom said,
Speaker 7: oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Right, well, it's always the grandma's that come in and
Speaker 1: suddenly they're nice. They're not disciplinaries anymore. They don't bring
Speaker 1: a shotgun, dowt no. But I think I think it's
Speaker 1: definitely it definitely affected me for sure. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how it couldn't, you know. I think that's
Speaker 1: why I think it's so important for Irie to have
Speaker 1: her father in her life. And I think I go
Speaker 1: with sometimes above and beyond, but a normal person, I
Speaker 1: tolerate more than someone else might because like it's so
Speaker 1: important there were relationship to me comes first before anything
Speaker 1: that me and him are going through. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, our relationship is not perfect at all. We're cool.
Speaker 1: He came over today. We were cool, you know. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, what I just want
Speaker 1: her to to not ever say like my you know,
Speaker 1: like my dad didn't show up, he didn't come, He
Speaker 1: didn't he wasn't here, he wasn't there, like, and I
Speaker 1: never want him to feel like I didn't give him
Speaker 1: the opportunity, right. You can never say it was You
Speaker 1: can never say that I didn't say you could come,
Speaker 1: you know. And you know, I think also I think Dad,
Speaker 1: like I don't know if you. I think that you
Speaker 1: having other kids has made you more like kids that
Speaker 1: live in your house, but you're like raising daily, you know,
Speaker 1: it gives you like a different perspective. Like I've seen
Speaker 1: you change. I have I've even seen your changes. I'll
Speaker 1: never forget that this was one time you took me
Speaker 1: to like Disneyland or something. I was really young, and
Speaker 1: I'm my best behavior and there was a little kid
Speaker 1: in line and he was acting a fool, like acting crazy.
Speaker 1: And my dad, this is before he had other kids
Speaker 1: and taking mind, you know, like I was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't see him a lot. So we were like having
Speaker 1: your trip together, and it's like and irote my best
Speaker 1: behavior and the kid was having a fit. My dad
Speaker 1: was like, if Dad, what the was my kid? I
Speaker 1: would take and I would who the ship up? This is?
Speaker 1: And the kid because the kid was going on he
Speaker 1: was having a blow on tangent in the line of
Speaker 1: a roller coaster. So we were having to colerated thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: So my dad was losing his temper. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is why I'm going to be
Speaker 1: so good this trip because none of that. But now,
Speaker 1: like having two kids living in like I see and
Speaker 1: I see Dallas and I see Carrie have their moments,
Speaker 1: and I see the patience that you didn't have in
Speaker 1: that line. Because it's different.
Speaker 7: It's different your kid, but it's different when you get
Speaker 7: older too. I gotta say it's older, because I mean
Speaker 7: your sister, Eric, I mean Carrie, that.
Speaker 1: Was that was karma. Next girl is going to be.
Speaker 7: So bad. I mean I whooped up. I whooped the
Speaker 7: ass too. I tell her, I just told her a
Speaker 7: couple of weeks ago. You know, she wanted to talk
Speaker 7: back to her mom. I said, him explaining something to you.
Speaker 7: I said, you thirteen, I said, I beat your ass.
Speaker 7: I said, let you know, I still whoop your ass.
Speaker 7: You do understand that, don't you? Your dad I said,
Speaker 7: know that. I mean I don't mess around. I mean,
Speaker 7: I'm the disciplinarians. That's how i was taught. I feel
Speaker 7: like my big thing is I gotta say it makes
Speaker 7: you feel good as a parent when people talk command
Speaker 7: your child about how good that. I won't forget. We
Speaker 7: had a you're probably twenty years old, Erica and you
Speaker 7: at the house one day and it was some guys,
Speaker 7: some of my friends there with their wives, and they
Speaker 7: weren't even to get like systematically. One guy said, man Verry,
Speaker 7: Erica's such a sweet child, and she's such a nice girl.
Speaker 7: It's such a lady. I mean, you know how much
Speaker 7: good that made me feel. That's what that's one of
Speaker 7: the reasons. I want to tell her mom, great job
Speaker 7: she did, yeah, because I mean I didn't do all
Speaker 7: that right. And but but she says, say man, and
Speaker 7: it another got may may Eric. It was such a
Speaker 7: nice girl. Man, she's such a sweet person. And that
Speaker 7: made me feel good. And I told Carrie, I said care,
Speaker 7: I said, I want people to say, you know, you're
Speaker 7: a good child, not that bad ass child over that
Speaker 7: doing stuff. And one day when the grocery store on
Speaker 7: the guy came up and he said, Eric, man's wanna say, man, Yes, ye,
Speaker 7: daughter is such a nice girl, such a sweet child.
Speaker 7: It made me think of you. I say, and and
Speaker 7: not that that is cu that that that's that's an
Speaker 7: enjoyment for me to hear that. I mean, most definitely
Speaker 7: I can still be tough. But you know mostly I'm
Speaker 7: talking now, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't
Speaker 7: like I still I tell him I'm gonna be ass now.
Speaker 7: But you know that voice, I think the voice scares
Speaker 7: are more than anything. But I can say this much
Speaker 7: as it's nothing like having kids. I I'm I I
Speaker 7: still have I still have regrets. And I mean I
Speaker 7: just said to Erica, I have regrets. So you know
Speaker 7: what happened with me and your mom and the time
Speaker 7: I didn't get chance to spend with you. But I'm
Speaker 7: you know, you can't never make up the time. But
Speaker 7: I'm glad I have the time, and I'm glad. I'm
Speaker 7: glad to where I'm at with you now, you know it,
Speaker 7: And I have a I have a granddaughter. You know,
Speaker 7: it's just it, it's it's a good thing. I'm gonna
Speaker 7: say that and just watch girl. God. I I tell
Speaker 7: I tell M M young men this all the time. Man,
Speaker 7: take time with your kids, man, because you one day
Speaker 7: you're gonna look up. I remember when you were little.
Speaker 7: I still have the picture when I took you over
Speaker 7: to uh David Househof's house, you riding up riding that
Speaker 7: riding a horse on a merry go round. I still
Speaker 7: got that picture in my house. I mean, I I remember.
Speaker 7: You know, there's times, you you know those times go fast.
Speaker 1: But do you think your kids teach you lessons most.
Speaker 7: Deep than they do? I mean they do. They try
Speaker 7: to teach you pay especially when the when a kid
Speaker 7: tells you like you hurt their feelings or something you know,
Speaker 7: and you too rough on them, you know, even because
Speaker 7: curious hitting me. Yeah, you kind of rough on Dallas.
Speaker 7: You know, kay, I feel bad for him, like like
Speaker 7: like physically or like yes, because when she when he
Speaker 7: he told her, he told, carry told, I mean, Dallas told. Okay, okay,
Speaker 7: my my daughter's name is my other daughter name is Carrie.
Speaker 7: And and your brother's his name is Dallas, my son,
Speaker 7: and he's six, and she's she's at this time, she
Speaker 7: was twelve when it happened. And so I was I
Speaker 7: was wrong, I was, I was, I was mad at him,
Speaker 7: but I forgot what it was. And she came to me.
Speaker 7: Carrie said, Dad, she said, you kind of rough on Dallas.
Speaker 7: I said, I said, why would you see what he said?
Speaker 7: Say he came, She said, he came and he looks
Speaker 7: so sad. He said, See he don't like me, he said,
Speaker 7: so he don't he he loved you. He don't my dad,
Speaker 7: he don't. He don't even like me. That made me
Speaker 7: feel bad. That makes you mad, made me feel real bad.
Speaker 7: So you know, I'm not I'm not. I'm not as tough.
Speaker 7: I'm not as tough for her, cause he's tough. I mean,
Speaker 7: he's tough too. But you know, of course you sobbing
Speaker 7: up and you get keeps specting me. I'm telling you
Speaker 7: everything is with age, and I never believe that you know.
Speaker 7: But let me just tell you when you get older
Speaker 7: and you start seeing your life go before, I just
Speaker 7: start seeing you get old looking like me, looking like
Speaker 7: your grandmother. Cause you know, like I'm I tell I
Speaker 7: tell Carrie this, I tell even tell Dallas this. I said,
Speaker 7: I want y'all, I tell when I'm trying to explain
Speaker 7: to you, I said, it's one day your dad and
Speaker 7: not gonna be here. I tell her, said, I tell
Speaker 7: it it's going to school. When before she had me,
Speaker 7: before Dallas was born, I said, one day, carry, I'm
Speaker 7: gonna die, I said. And I want you to remember
Speaker 7: these times, and the same thing with you, Eric, I
Speaker 7: want you to remember the times because I'm gonna die.
Speaker 7: One day I won't be here, and you remember the
Speaker 7: times that we laughed and talked and did this interview.
Speaker 7: You know, you listen to it thirty years from now.
Speaker 7: But it's true. But my dad, you say the same
Speaker 7: thing to me, he says, say, son, he said, one
Speaker 7: day I won't be here, Son, I'm gonna be gone,
Speaker 7: he said, And I'm telling you that because I tell
Speaker 7: any parent, you know, one day we're gonna die and
Speaker 7: O kids gonna miss us and we're gonna miss you too,
Speaker 7: because I'm matter of fact. My dad has been dead,
Speaker 7: but I think forty two years now and I've still
Speaker 7: cried about him dying. Think about it, start crying, and
Speaker 7: that's that just shows you know how much I love
Speaker 7: my dad and you know I miss him. I mean,
Speaker 7: and like I tell, I tell my kids and I'll
Speaker 7: tell you. I said, I'm not ready to die. I
Speaker 7: don't get me read, but but I'm not afraid to die.
Speaker 7: But I can't wait to see my mom and dad again.
Speaker 7: I I can't wait for that day for me to
Speaker 7: see Mama and daddy and Helen all you know, all
Speaker 7: my all my folks is gone, and it'll be the
Speaker 7: same day when you know, when when when you get older.
Speaker 7: In Irib, you said, it's it's a it's a cycle
Speaker 7: in it, and that's a That's the great thing about
Speaker 7: life is if you do it right, and it's never
Speaker 7: gonna be perfect. Know this, I mean you and Freddy
Speaker 7: men Penny. I mean, none of these relationships are perfect.
Speaker 7: I'm I mean, it's just I mean, people listening here.
Speaker 7: Nothing's perfect out there. You can look at you next
Speaker 7: door neighbor say, man, they got the perfect, perfect kids, perfect,
Speaker 7: But you don't know what's going in that household, right,
Speaker 7: nothing's perfect. The relationships ain't never perfect. Relationships are hard,
Speaker 7: they are. I mean, it's hard raising kids. It's it's
Speaker 7: a it's a it's a job. It's something you have
Speaker 7: to be dedicated to. And but mothers, I mean, man,
Speaker 7: if you got a good mama, ain't nothing like it.
Speaker 7: I mean, I see you as a mom. You know
Speaker 7: how you deal with Iri. I see Penny how she
Speaker 7: deals with with with with carrying dolls. And these good mamas. Man,
Speaker 7: it's it's it's it's the best thing because moms and
Speaker 7: they just so rare. Are good mother, a good parent there,
Speaker 7: they're rare. They're rare and in the life, and so
Speaker 7: you know, you know, it's that's it.
Speaker 1: Do you think you'll be married ever? Have you ever
Speaker 1: been married? Beginning of my like relationship ever?
Speaker 6: Like n dies your kids and mom press you about it.
Speaker 7: My my daughter, my daughter used to press me about it.
Speaker 7: She don't press me, and my daughter said, used to
Speaker 7: press me. He still present me when you're gonna marry
Speaker 7: my mom. I'm already married to your mom.
Speaker 1: Also, my dad has always just been very real and open,
Speaker 1: as you can tell from this. So we talk so far,
Speaker 1: but I'll never forget, like when my d when I
Speaker 1: I think I told the story to you on the podcast,
Speaker 1: when I my dad asked me if I lost my virginity,
Speaker 1: and I remember we were a cheesecake factory. We're sitting
Speaker 1: there and he was like, so are you having sex?
Speaker 1: And I was like, and he was like, let me
Speaker 1: just say this real quick. You'll never have sex with
Speaker 1: as many people as I, so you might as well
Speaker 1: just tell me, oh, okay, yep. And I was just
Speaker 1: like I didn't even know what to say. I was like,
Speaker 1: I had so many visuals happening. Is that many things?
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to imagine. And also
Speaker 1: I'm like asking me a very personal question, I'm all.
Speaker 1: I also was like, you know, I lost my virginity
Speaker 1: a bit young too, and it was just like very honest,
Speaker 1: yeah no, when he asked you fourteen oh shit. And
Speaker 1: I one thing about even though me and my dad,
Speaker 1: I mused always like like throughout my childhood, you know,
Speaker 1: struggled to have a very close relationship, and it wasn'
Speaker 1: until we got much older that we really really worked
Speaker 1: on it. I always felt comfortable telling him things, I
Speaker 1: think because we had I don't know, Like there are
Speaker 1: things I tell my dad and I won't tell my mom.
Speaker 7: I know you your mom must say that. She said
Speaker 7: she'll tell you, she won't tell me.
Speaker 1: I think my dad is doesn't he doesn't judge, he doesn't. Also,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have like I think. Also moms we're just
Speaker 1: so worried all the time too, And like I think
Speaker 1: dad's how just can't be a little cooler even if
Speaker 1: they're kind of like freaking outside. I just always feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: There's even to this day, there's day things I'm like,
Speaker 1: please don't tell mom.
Speaker 7: Yeah, use that.
Speaker 1: I think I said that the other day.
Speaker 7: Don't don't tell you mom. I'm gonna tell your mom. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean I gotta say you right there, because it
Speaker 7: was things you would tell me, things we talk about,
Speaker 7: and I said, I would just tell you to be honest.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 7: Maybe just first of all, I know what time it is.
Speaker 7: I won't forget when y'all had to party at the
Speaker 7: house and when the girl got on the pool table,
Speaker 7: and dance and and Houston High School.
Speaker 1: So I asked, you my dad, let me have my
Speaker 1: dad let me have the graduation party at his house.
Speaker 7: Okay, so I said, I wasn't going for that. I
Speaker 7: said the aster the questions. I said, what you like
Speaker 7: to drink? What you drink? I don't drink. I said
Speaker 7: a lie to me. I know you got I know
Speaker 7: you gottadrink you like. I said, what you like to drink?
Speaker 7: I said, you don't drink. You don't stay at the house.
Speaker 7: You ain't going nowhere, he said, like the apple Martina,
Speaker 7: I'm an amateur.
Speaker 1: Drink like lovey, kind of classy for a seventeen year
Speaker 1: old that I still remember.
Speaker 7: I said, okay, were but you ain't going no where.
Speaker 7: They're gonna stay right here.
Speaker 1: You got all the album pockets you want, so so yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that the whole valley came to the house. Okay,
Speaker 1: every teenager know how I missed this party? Right below.
Speaker 1: We're letting those right below it.
Speaker 7: You missed the party right now. Alcohol we confiscated from them.
Speaker 1: O my god. Outside he didn't learn his lesson because
Speaker 1: I had allowen Halloween party and everyone dressed up and
Speaker 1: hit alcohol in their like Halloween.
Speaker 7: That was funny.
Speaker 1: The girls guy who was a U p S didn't
Speaker 1: make it.
Speaker 7: Make it.
Speaker 1: The security you really had security security security making everyone
Speaker 1: take their shoes. Literally, there was a pile.
Speaker 7: It was a pile of shoes piled up our side.
Speaker 1: Someone told you at your dad's house. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't tell you. That's crazy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I gotta say. You know, I'm gonna say
Speaker 7: this year, I'm so proud of you. I really am.
Speaker 7: I'm proud of you. I love you. You know you
Speaker 7: I you a good child. I mean, you a good child.
Speaker 7: I mean I know I don't tell you no, but
Speaker 7: I do love you. You you mad. You made me proud.
Speaker 7: You make me don't cry.
Speaker 1: I love cry too.
Speaker 7: So you make me proud of your dad. I mean,
Speaker 7: really you have you know, I know how hard you
Speaker 7: work for your mother's company, and you do a good job.
Speaker 7: You don't complain, you know. I always tell people about
Speaker 7: my daughter. I say one thing about Erica is she's
Speaker 7: a lot like me in a lot of ways. She
Speaker 7: don't want nothing. She don't want something for nothing. You know,
Speaker 7: my daughter, she works and then it makes me, it
Speaker 7: just makes me feel good that You're not one of
Speaker 7: them kids. That's like these millennials think that they're entitled
Speaker 7: that and I can't stand these entitlements. And and you
Speaker 7: are a good You're a child, You're a good woman.
Speaker 7: You you you're a good young woman. And you know,
Speaker 7: I'm I'm proud of you, my child. I'm thinking, I
Speaker 7: thank God God gave you to me in spite of
Speaker 7: my it's spite of my shortcomings.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you get what you need.
Speaker 7: What you want.
Speaker 1: But I think I am the way I am because
Speaker 1: because of you, because of you, because of my mom.
Speaker 1: Seeing both of you work really hard and excel in
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you put your mind too. Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I have immense shoes to fill all
Speaker 1: the time. I'm just like I can't I can't stop.
Speaker 1: I gotta keep going. They didn't stop, Who would I
Speaker 1: be to just sit around and just what? Do what
Speaker 1: you know? And so I've always seen you know your
Speaker 1: work ethic, like you've continue, You've been able to maintain
Speaker 1: an amazing career after football, which is so rare. And
Speaker 1: like you know, you look at so many of these players,
Speaker 1: especially in your time, you aren't getting like these contracts
Speaker 1: that these guys are getting, you know, like I know,
Speaker 1: people come up to you in the street and I'm
Speaker 1: so proud of never I see the number twenty nine
Speaker 1: walking on side on street corners on honky and shit.
Speaker 1: But but they assume that you had the luxuries that
Speaker 1: a lot of these new players are afforded, and you've
Speaker 1: been able to maintain and like you know, sustain, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's that's a lot of even these guys now
Speaker 1: that are making five hundred million dollars or however much
Speaker 1: twenty million dollar contracts, thirty million doll I mean your
Speaker 1: biggest contract was like a million dollars million five a
Speaker 1: million five.
Speaker 2: Am.
Speaker 1: People would laugh at that. Now they've spawn it.
Speaker 2: And I mean just mentioned all the abuse you put
Speaker 2: up as you told us as the house one of
Speaker 2: your games.
Speaker 1: And was it Indianapolis or oh that they had to
Speaker 1: sign up with the baby the monkey, Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: Like a baby chicken and five chicken. It's a water melon.
Speaker 7: Don't I tell you the story when I thought I
Speaker 7: was an Indian when of my come on my last
Speaker 7: year's I want to get the hell out of down.
Speaker 7: You know that place is so racist back then, you know,
Speaker 7: it's racism everywhere you know it. It's part of life.
Speaker 7: It's just it's not gonna change. But they had a
Speaker 7: sign like they you don't have your the banners that
Speaker 7: hang say you know, we love the cold, so we
Speaker 7: love blah blah blah. They had a big sign, a big,
Speaker 7: big sheet hanging down. It had a picture of a
Speaker 7: black baby be sitting like in a like a sitting
Speaker 7: position with a stack of money on one side, uh
Speaker 7: fried I mean uh watermelons on the other side with
Speaker 7: fried chicken in his hand with my number and stuff
Speaker 7: on it. I'm like wow, I'm like okay. And then
Speaker 7: some of the guys last on the Bruther's laugh. I said,
Speaker 7: on your own team, Yeah, I said, oh, y'all think
Speaker 7: that's funny, I say they talking about I said, y'all
Speaker 7: niggas they just take to change the number, right, said oh, yeah,
Speaker 7: that ain't funny. I said, oh, now you're thinking it
Speaker 7: ain't funny, right. And it stayed up there for a while.
Speaker 7: They I guess they ventually took it down. But you know,
Speaker 7: I never forgot that. I mean, and I can honestly
Speaker 7: say for me, I have had some resentment to that
Speaker 7: organization for that reason. I mean, I played for the
Speaker 7: Colts because they let it hap And I've never forgotten that.
Speaker 7: I mean, people ask me, but you play for the God,
Speaker 7: I said. Man, don't get me wrong, I play for
Speaker 7: that team. But I just never forgot that. I've never
Speaker 7: forgotten that. And it just that bothered me, that cause
Speaker 7: I know how wrong. I would never do that. I
Speaker 7: w I would never ever do that. But you know,
Speaker 7: people are different, people are crazy.
Speaker 1: But that I mean, I mean it's between that. Also,
Speaker 1: growing up in the South, and you know you weren't
Speaker 1: to segregate, did you were.
Speaker 7: Segregated schools?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, but but what I've seen is
Speaker 1: that you have so many white friends that you are
Speaker 1: your brothers. You know what I mean. You don't like covert.
Speaker 7: Man. Let me tell somebody. Get some of my best
Speaker 7: friends are my best friend or two of my best
Speaker 7: boys a white guy. I don't look at them as white.
Speaker 7: I look at my friend, my brother Randy Mondelo and
Speaker 7: Chris Laidio, then white to me, they just like me, right, Jason,
Speaker 7: I mean, they just they they people. I don't I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't judge the person on this colored skin. You know,
Speaker 7: I always look at the people who do may do crimes,
Speaker 7: and you know, think about them niggas in them nexting
Speaker 7: them wet bags and the chinks. And I said, you
Speaker 7: know that. The sad thing about that, I said, I
Speaker 7: could be that could have been your best friend one day,
Speaker 7: I said, you go murder that woman over there. That
Speaker 7: woman could have been the best thing ever happened to you.
Speaker 7: But you killed her, right, I said, when you when
Speaker 7: you dine and go to hell on the hell they say,
Speaker 7: you know, I'm gonna show you something when the lady
Speaker 7: you killed, that was that was gonna be your wife,
Speaker 7: That was that was gonna change your whole life. I
Speaker 7: got out that you call an old white cracker does
Speaker 7: be your best friend. He's gonna make you a whole
Speaker 7: bunch of money, But you you made him off. Of course,
Speaker 7: you're a cousse of the ignorance. So I just believe
Speaker 7: that I just judge the person mind who they are.
Speaker 7: You know, all of us have our prejudice, all of
Speaker 7: us said prejudice things and racist thing. That don't mean
Speaker 7: you're a racist, a racist mind who hate a whole
Speaker 7: racist people, But you know it is what it is,
Speaker 7: This life is.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the NFL is still a pretty racist,
Speaker 1: has a big racist culture, or it has it changed.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it's changed in some ways because
Speaker 1: the times have changed. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I mean there's like all the you know, it's a
Speaker 1: pretty like white dominated field. Like all the owners are white,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty much everyone in a lot of the office.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe the offices are commercifying boys.
Speaker 7: It's white. Look, first of all, it's no black owners.
Speaker 7: That is still a good old white boy system.
Speaker 6: Been people that have tried to be yes, and they
Speaker 6: kind of keep you they keep those people out.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they don't want no black owners. I think they
Speaker 7: have an Indian owner now. But yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 7: the NFL, no.
Speaker 1: Like Kaepernick isn't going to be the one. How do
Speaker 1: you feel about the whole Kaepernick thing.
Speaker 7: I feel like I feel like it got lost. It
Speaker 7: wasn't about the flag. It was about the injustice of
Speaker 7: police brutality. And it's not even about being black or
Speaker 7: they kill white people that they kill black people. They
Speaker 7: kill most of you know, people who don't have the
Speaker 7: money my no, can't fight back after they kill them.
Speaker 7: But I just feel like that the message got lost.
Speaker 7: I mean, it really did. And who, well, they made it.
Speaker 7: They made it about the flag, and it really wasn't
Speaker 7: about that flag. I mean, and I and I kept
Speaker 7: saying this. I said, we care more about a flag
Speaker 7: and we care about God. That's a flag, that's a
Speaker 7: piece of material. But don't get me wrong, people have
Speaker 7: died on that flag. Men, men, women in our country
Speaker 7: have died because they believe in our freedom and the flag.
Speaker 7: But you know, it's a flag, and it's in the
Speaker 7: big scheme of things. It's the it's the respect fact
Speaker 7: that you have. I mean, just like in the school
Speaker 7: system now, they don't want you to say the flat
Speaker 7: pleasure legions. They don't want you to say God. They're
Speaker 7: talking to schools don't want you to talk about the flag.
Speaker 7: It's just we're so hypocritical.
Speaker 1: Do you think I thought they wanted to just still
Speaker 1: do the ladis the school a football game?
Speaker 7: They don't do the schools A lot of schools don't
Speaker 7: do it, not every school. When I was a kid,
Speaker 7: I knew that was every every day when you got.
Speaker 1: Morning, and you didn't even think about it. Twice my
Speaker 1: dad used to tell me, not thinking about legs to
Speaker 1: the flag.
Speaker 7: But you got to think about it. Think about it
Speaker 7: if I from a different country, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, even as Black Americans, I don't pledge. Do
Speaker 1: you think that the what? What is?
Speaker 7: How do we? How do you?
Speaker 1: How does it start to change? Is that the players
Speaker 1: have to take us down because literally most of the players,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of black players mostly fact.
Speaker 7: Let me, let me, let me tell you how it
Speaker 7: would change. Let me let me tell you what what
Speaker 7: what would disrupt everything and have to be done just
Speaker 7: to me, just like this. Let's say you got a
Speaker 7: Sunday game, Sunday Sunday game, and you've got the thirty
Speaker 7: two teams, and let's just say not all, because you
Speaker 7: can't get everybody. But let's just say on fifteen football team,
Speaker 7: you gonna take fifteen team. Let's say you had fourteen
Speaker 7: guys on each team, eighteen guys each team. Say for
Speaker 7: the pleasure leading boom, we're not playing. We're not gonna play.
Speaker 6: Oh you can't kneel or whatever.
Speaker 7: We know, we're not gonna put we going back. We're
Speaker 7: not playing period, We're going back to the locker room.
Speaker 7: Oh hell no. Because now the networks like what to me?
Speaker 7: They ain and you don't you don't know when it's
Speaker 7: gonna happen. It's just gonna keep happening. It might skip
Speaker 7: a week, it's gonna keep happening all of a sudden.
Speaker 7: They can't. They can't take that because it's gonna defect this.
Speaker 7: It's gonna take that money.
Speaker 8: That's but then there's con they can't They can't make
Speaker 8: you play.
Speaker 7: They can't make you play. If if you're willing to lose,
Speaker 7: just like this, like le've m bail this year, was
Speaker 7: willing to lose fourteen million dollars, if you will sit
Speaker 7: out and take a stand, a real stand, that's the way.
Speaker 1: If you have to, you have to say no to
Speaker 1: the money. You have to take that slaves to the money.
Speaker 1: That's essentially how they got you. It's a different type
Speaker 1: of slaves, a different.
Speaker 7: Type of right, it's a different type of slavery. I said,
Speaker 7: that's a different type.
Speaker 1: Like slavery because they have so much money already.
Speaker 2: Right, if you wanted to do something else, you probably
Speaker 2: could invest your money else.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but the guy did make a lot of the
Speaker 7: guys make a lot of the money. The guys blow
Speaker 7: their money so fast they don't know to have it. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean they really don't, well anything else.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of questions and we don't have
Speaker 1: that many questions. Okay, some of the questions I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 6: I saw something like, how did you bag it?
Speaker 1: Athletes?
Speaker 7: How do you bag it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, that's all one as a normal, normal woman
Speaker 1: bag athlete, like just a regularly. I read that and
Speaker 1: I was like, don't yeah, Like, but that's only because
Speaker 1: always I'm you know, it's so funny because my dad
Speaker 1: has always wanted to stay away from athlete, and then
Speaker 1: you just went.
Speaker 7: To an entertainers essentially the same almost the same thing,
Speaker 7: but not athletes, not athlete. I'm telling you the worst,
Speaker 7: which the worst with the women thing. I mean as
Speaker 7: fur as I know, because you know athletes, because think
Speaker 7: about most athletes a lot of months good looking, not
Speaker 7: but they got the bodies and they're on television the
Speaker 7: athletic people like that athletic look the athletic look like, girl,
Speaker 7: look at his body, because when a man see a woman,
Speaker 7: he might not see a phase. You're like, whoa boy?
Speaker 7: Look at that body?
Speaker 1: I mean definitely more to like a football player's body,
Speaker 1: like basketball. Yeah, because in fact we're talking to athletes in.
Speaker 7: General, right, like, yeah, but but see football, see football players.
Speaker 7: We were like most you know, the average hype of
Speaker 7: man sixty three six ' four. You know that that
Speaker 7: that cut that bill. But if I tell a woman, man,
Speaker 7: be careful what you wish for, because you would get
Speaker 7: that baby, you will be stressed out a lot of
Speaker 7: sleepless nights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a normal life, and then you know
Speaker 1: you don't want you don't want that whisp you up
Speaker 1: to your to his normal life, and then he'll throw
Speaker 1: you away right back to.
Speaker 7: Normal, normal, normal life. Real sad because one because one
Speaker 7: thing about about about athletes or is that I'm gonna
Speaker 7: say forget athletes. Men just just go down. We're gonna
Speaker 7: go We're gonna go with just men, men and general
Speaker 7: most men, and I'm not saying every man, but I
Speaker 7: guarantee I would say about eighty percent of men are unfaithful,
Speaker 7: and athletes sit. This is probably about ninety nine point
Speaker 7: nine percent of unfaithful. And it's not even that you
Speaker 7: want to be. Sometimes women are aggressive and they don't
Speaker 7: give up. There some of them just relentless till a
Speaker 7: man to the point where you said, oh damn, let's
Speaker 7: just do it shit, Okay, this is get it over with.
Speaker 7: I mean, oh, man, you know I said that when
Speaker 7: this moved me to stuff happened because people say, ask
Speaker 7: me you fir, I say, man, First of all, I
Speaker 7: don't say nothing. I don't say that stuff to women.
Speaker 7: That's just not me. I mean, I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 7: like that classic guy. But I was taught better. I
Speaker 7: just don't. I don't say that. I say, but I've
Speaker 7: had women say stuff to me like, damn baby, I'm
Speaker 7: supposed to say that. You ain't supposed to say that
Speaker 7: to me. It made me really made me feelunkomp Like
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh girl, okay, how you no, girl? Like, oh,
Speaker 7: what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: Aggressive?
Speaker 7: Aggressive groups?
Speaker 1: Just groupies are just in general.
Speaker 7: Always group is. You'll be surprised. I mean, you'd be surprised.
Speaker 7: I would tell people all time. You'll be surprised things
Speaker 7: women would do. It's shocking. I mean, and some said, oh,
Speaker 7: my girlfriend would never do that. I'm like, you don't know.
Speaker 7: Now with you, you don't know your girlfriend.
Speaker 6: I have a question, have you do you do you
Speaker 6: have you ever dated black women?
Speaker 7: Of course?
Speaker 1: Do you date black women?
Speaker 7: Of course? I'm supposed be in a relationship right now.
Speaker 1: But of course.
Speaker 2: They say infamously like black athletes, rarely they're black women.
Speaker 7: I bet that's several black girlfriends. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 7: I mean, I take that back, not girlfriends. I only
Speaker 7: know one. But I've never I've never had a bunch
Speaker 7: of girlfriends period. I can. I can count to girls
Speaker 7: I call girlfriends almost on one hand. I had when
Speaker 7: I was in my first girlfriend, the girl who ruined me,
Speaker 7: who made me the way I am.
Speaker 1: I always got one girl for Remember you told me this,
Speaker 1: I never want to feel this way.
Speaker 7: Now you got it. And again, not Judy, Judy Tillman.
Speaker 7: This girl, this girl was Beauty ruined him.
Speaker 1: She died damn.
Speaker 7: Fast away. But she had me strong, she had me
Speaker 7: strong eye and I won't forget. I was at my
Speaker 7: grandparents house in Houston, cause she lived in Houston. Would
Speaker 7: stay down there, be close to him. It was like
Speaker 7: my senior year and I'm going ready to go to
Speaker 7: college and my grandfather one day because you know what
Speaker 7: I think about it, in the bed, the head the
Speaker 7: head boarders up here, and so I had my feet
Speaker 7: up here, in my head down here because we only
Speaker 7: had two phones in the house, that one of the kitchen,
Speaker 7: the one in their bedroom. And my grandfather walked in
Speaker 7: one morning because he said, mmm, got my grandson backed
Speaker 7: in the bee he said, boy, because I was waiting
Speaker 7: for the phone to ring all night upside down. He said, boy,
Speaker 7: you can't handle he called a jumping judy. He said,
Speaker 7: you can't handle that girl. That girl gonna broke your heart.
Speaker 3: He had.
Speaker 7: And I will never forget. I'm like, man, if I
Speaker 7: ever get over this feeling, I will never feel like
Speaker 7: this about a woman again. I said that to myself,
Speaker 7: and I said, and my mother told me to say her.
Speaker 7: Let me tell you something, boy, She said, you always
Speaker 7: let the girl like you by more than you like
Speaker 7: vice versa. She said, because that way, you always in charge.
Speaker 7: And I've never I've never felt that way again. I
Speaker 7: made sure I didn't. I mean, I get me wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean I love, but I'm not I'm not crazy
Speaker 7: in love like I can. I can live without you.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm like, hey, get you another man. I
Speaker 7: would tell him, Hey, if you think I'm that bad,
Speaker 7: get you another one. See he gonna do the same thing,
Speaker 7: you know, but and not not all men are the same.
Speaker 7: But it's just hard day. The athletes.
Speaker 1: You know, one thing told me the bus it's the
Speaker 1: bus driver. It could be the lawyer, it could be doctor.
Speaker 1: It could be the nerd that you think doesn't get it,
Speaker 1: trash man like he's probably cheating too.
Speaker 7: It don't make a difference. It's it's the man. It's
Speaker 7: the man in us. It's just hard to say no,
Speaker 7: it really is. It's just it is. It's hard to
Speaker 7: say no. I mean, I hate to say it.
Speaker 1: On that note, I have one last final question. Okay,
Speaker 1: when we talked about bringing you on, we told you
Speaker 1: we had a segment called horror stories. So Holoris horror stories.
Speaker 1: Horror story is a segment where it's like scary horror story,
Speaker 1: horror story. And I feel like it's only appropriate, well
Speaker 1: probably appropriate because you're my dad, but only appropriate that
Speaker 1: we have an athlete on that has had a lot
Speaker 1: of I'm assuming hotels, and you had mentioned something about
Speaker 1: a Playboy mansion. I don't know, the Playboy party.
Speaker 7: Crazy each my crazy story, like a crazy It.
Speaker 8: Can pertain to you, it can pertain to nothing has
Speaker 8: to be scary, but just sexual, like something where it's
Speaker 8: very horrishness happened or scary or like, oh my god,
Speaker 8: like it turned and went from something good to very bad,
Speaker 8: some good to very bad.
Speaker 7: But I don't happen to playboy mansin. That was stimmach
Speaker 7: fun that we didn't really do much. It was to mansion.
Speaker 7: Wasn't like that when I got got into the league.
Speaker 1: But uh, or if you have a friend, you wanna
Speaker 1: share a friend's for her story, maybe it's less personal.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, maybe I gota share one of those. Huh,
Speaker 7: let's put it like, let's put'm'm'a'm'a t I can tell
Speaker 7: you whole I would tell you a horror horse story.
Speaker 7: So I'm in Indianapolis. I'm in Indie and I had
Speaker 7: a g I there gave me a band to drive,
Speaker 7: like a you know, a band I had. There was
Speaker 7: a nice band too, And so I went to the club.
Speaker 7: Was that club? Was the name of that club? Uh, gosh,
Speaker 7: I can't think of the name of the club? Was
Speaker 7: club we used to go to on Friday nights. So
Speaker 7: we go to the club sometime, you know, I get
Speaker 7: the girls in the band go back to you know,
Speaker 7: we go take me to the house. So some of
Speaker 7: the guys, some of the rookies. Uh, one of the rookies.
Speaker 7: I won't say his name. Uh. He said, Man, we
Speaker 7: got some girls wanna go back to the house. Gonna
Speaker 7: go back to the house, I said. I. I said, well,
Speaker 7: take 'em in the take 'em in the band and
Speaker 7: and and come back and just come back and get
Speaker 7: some get us. So man, we got it.
Speaker 1: It was like.
Speaker 7: Seven girls took it to my house. And I had
Speaker 7: a basement in a basement, so when I come on,
Speaker 7: I get to the house, I mean, I don't see
Speaker 7: nobody else. When I go in the basement, I see, man,
Speaker 7: it's naked girls at the well. I'm like, what going
Speaker 7: on around here? So I mean, god, the guys come
Speaker 7: and taking their clothes off, getting like getting naked, you know.
Speaker 7: And I walk in the one room as in the
Speaker 7: basements that like the like what air conditioning units? Well,
Speaker 7: I see a girl on her knees. Imbarrassed to say
Speaker 7: this area. It wasn't mean, but I said, I said,
Speaker 7: girl on her knees. And I just see her head
Speaker 7: going up and said what is she doing? But the
Speaker 7: guy's thing was so long it.
Speaker 1: Was like.
Speaker 7: What I couldn't even see him. I just see her.
Speaker 7: He was like he's behind the air condition. I'm like,
Speaker 7: what the hell, I won't say. I still know his
Speaker 7: name too.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, boy, you're have so many people writing
Speaker 1: you find out married.
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, oh my god. That so that was
Speaker 7: it's scared.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, so that's hilarious. Okay, well I'm dad,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for joining us, Thank you.
Speaker 7: Georgia. So yeah, I didn't tell too much.
Speaker 1: No, it's just a bunch of moms.
Speaker 7: Okay, well all your moms.
Speaker 1: You know you.
Speaker 7: Don't be no athletes like more up today's episode. Don't
Speaker 7: if you do get your old one.
Speaker 1: Maybe they still might not marry, still.
Speaker 7: Might not marry, but calm down, they want to go
Speaker 7: to sleep early. Now.
Speaker 1: Well, I hope the Rams win. I think it's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I was telling my dad, like when the Rams came
Speaker 1: back to La and like, I was like, there's no
Speaker 1: way these I went to a few games.
Speaker 7: It looked too good.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's gonna be a while for them
Speaker 1: to build this franchise up. And they've done it really quickly.
Speaker 7: Well, now get done it real quickly. I mean people
Speaker 7: don't realize how hard is playing Super Bowl. I mean
Speaker 7: it's very difficult. I played eleven years and I never
Speaker 7: made your Super Bowl. I played the NFC Championship game
Speaker 7: and that was like the game that we just played
Speaker 7: in against New Orleans one game before the super Bowl,
Speaker 7: So it's hard to get there and give I got
Speaker 7: to give credit to the Patriots just then ninth one.
Speaker 7: So that's I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like they went every years.
Speaker 7: It's crazy they cheat too, but they do. But you know,
Speaker 7: the Rams are going to the super Bowl's big for
Speaker 7: the city of LA I mean, yeah big. I mean
Speaker 7: because they haven't been the super Bowl since nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 1: It's crazy out here. It is. We are gonna do something.
Speaker 1: We should probably watch that.
Speaker 7: You can watch that game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my rams that I need some new updated rams.
Speaker 1: Do you have like Dickerson one?
Speaker 7: I gotta get you.
Speaker 1: You got no jersey? I have an old I have
Speaker 1: this shirt.
Speaker 7: Of I'm gonna bring it. I' gonna get your jersey.
Speaker 1: I have a shirt that's probably as old as me,
Speaker 1: but I think it's cold.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna get your rams. I'nna get your ramp jersey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need that. I need that.
Speaker 7: I'm if I can't try to drive it off here.
Speaker 7: Before I get out of here tomorrow.
Speaker 1: What no pressure?
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I want you. I want you having for
Speaker 7: the game. Yeah, have somebody to deliver it to you,
Speaker 7: but I get You'll get one.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, thank you for coming.
Speaker 7: You're very welcome for having me.
Speaker 8: I love you.
Speaker 1: I love you too, And we will see you guys
Speaker 1: next week. We have a really special guest coming on
Speaker 1: next week. Oh yeah, we do.
Speaker 6: We have a lot of really cool guests coming up.
Speaker 1: We have been on our ship emailing people. Should we
Speaker 1: say who she is?
Speaker 6: So yeah, I'll see you next week and we'll catch
Speaker 6: you up on Eric this long.
Speaker 1: Sure okay?
Speaker 7: Yeah, and go and go and go, Rams go around.
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