1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Al Zone Media. 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: Welcome to it could happen here a podcast that, much 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: of the chagrin of my upstairs neighbors, is being recorded 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: at almost three in the morning, is being recorded at 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: three in the morning instead of any normal time because 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: a bunch of protests broke out across college campuses against 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: the genocide and Palestine. We will cover that at some 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: point very soon. However, Comma, there is this episode to 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: be done. I'm your host, Mia Long, and this episode 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: is something a little different. So there's an element of 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: Trump's Agenda forty seven that we didn't really talk about 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: in our episodes. That's actually a pretty significant amount of 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: the material, and that's Trump's trade policy. And this is 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: sort of surprisingly a very large part of his pitch. 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: The sort of gist of it is that Trump's appeal 16 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: to like the white working class TM is Okay, we're 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: going to do a bunch of protection as terrorists. This 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: is going to bring jobs back to the US by 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: imposing costs and manufacturing other countries, etc. Et cetera. This 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: will bring jobs back to America and it will make 21 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: America great or some shit. 22 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: Now. 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 2: The centerpiece of this is what's called the Reciprocal Tariff Bill, 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: and it's not that complicated. Basically, what it says is 25 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: if a country imposes the tariff on an American good, 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: the US imposes an identical tariff on that tariff. It's 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: designed to basically automatically start trade wars. Now, the reason 28 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: we didn't cover this in the original legend of forty 29 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: seven slate of episodes is that even in the worst 30 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: case scenario where Trump takes power like a coup and 31 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: you know, the sort of power of anyone to oppose 32 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: the magnificantly curtailed, I don't think you can get this 33 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: one passed. And I don't think you can get this 34 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: one passed is because you know, as as it turns out, 35 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: this package and what we're going to sort of explore 36 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: this a little bit, actually seriously, messing with tariffs is 37 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: something that is really really going to piss off a 38 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: lot of corporations that actually matter. Now, Okay, so like 39 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: we could have I could have just done the episode anyways, 40 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: led with that and just given a sort of you know, 41 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: just given the disclaimer that like it's probably not gonna happen. 42 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 2: But I think there's a more interesting story here that 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: hasn't really been talked about about the origin of basically 44 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: the framework of modern American politics, both on the right 45 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: and on the left, because they both emerge I think 46 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: from a series of arguments about trade that has been 47 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: kind of broadly forgotten. I think that's to our detriment. 48 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: And the product of this is that there's been a 49 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: sort of raft of arguments. I've seen this as much 50 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: from the leftist on the right that Trump' support for 51 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: terroriffs and particularly the sort of trade spat he got 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: in with China from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen marks 53 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: the end of the sort of like neoliberal free trade 54 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: regime and the emergence of like new nationalist protections against 55 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: free trade. It's like the neo economic system that replaced neoliberalism. 56 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: And I am very skeptical of this. And the reason 57 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 2: why I'm very skeptical of this is because I, like, 58 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: when I was coming up as a leftist, I spent 59 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: a bunch of time seriously became involved in like irl 60 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: left organizing around twenty seventeen. I'd done some stuff in 61 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: like twenty thirteen before then, but that meant that, you know, 62 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff I was reading was accounts 63 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: of what was called the global justice movements, which was 64 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: ault globalization, anti globalization. There's like it. It has a 65 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: million names, but it was. It was this series of 66 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: mass protest movements against the sort of raft of free 67 00:03:54,280 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: trade agreements coming out of the nineties. So and you 68 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: get a very very different picture of the history of 69 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: free trade that is sort of broader and more expansive 70 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: in the history of the resistance to it. Then you 71 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: get if you just sort of like, you know, assume 72 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: neoliberalism has been the same always and Trump is the 73 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 2: sort of aberration to it. Now, Trump's status as an 74 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: aberration is something that I question. I mean, you know, 75 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: the trade war that he got into is something you know, 76 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: it's it's it is different. But I think there's a 77 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: lot of there's a lot of sort of hype around 78 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: Trump's like opposition to free trade, and like one of 79 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: the big things you know that Trump ran on was 80 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: pulling out of NAFTA, and he did. He did pull 81 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: out of DAFTA. However, COMA he then set up a 82 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: new trade NAFTA. By the way, it's a North American 83 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: free trade agreement. It's really shit. We're going to talk 84 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: a bit more about what exactly it did later. But 85 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's broadly seen, I think rightly as 86 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 2: something that's smashed both huge portions of what was left 87 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: of the American manufacturing economy and you know, the parts 88 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: of the economy that have been rebuilt in the eighties, 89 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: and also just absolutely annihilating the mechicanga cultural industry. For 90 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: reasons that we will we will explain it a bit. 91 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 2: It's now becoming extremely deeply unpopular because unbelievable numbers of 92 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 2: workers lost their jobs, and you know, they're the jobs 93 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: that they got afterwards had shittier wages. You know, entire 94 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: communities are ravage, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So Trump, 95 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: you know, famously campaigns I'm pulling out of this deal, 96 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: but he replaces it with something called us MCA. Now 97 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: here's the thing about this deal. This is basically just 98 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: NAFTA with slightly stronger carve outs for the auto industry 99 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: about like what percentage of the parts of vehicles have 100 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 2: to be produced in the US and some like slightly 101 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: stronger labored like protections, which is like fine, but it's 102 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: it's basically the same deal. Right, So you know, you 103 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: have to take this whole sort of like Trump is 104 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 2: like the anti free trade thing with a grain of salt. 105 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: And look at again this deal they negotiated, which is 106 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: just NAFTA. It is literally, after all of the hype 107 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 2: of him pulling out of NAFTA, he did NAFTA again. Now, 108 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: this is something very interesting that I don't think people remember. 109 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: Obama also opposed NAFTA, and they came into office and 110 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: then nothing ever fucking happened the NAFTA. So, you know, 111 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: the sort of like the rumors of NAFTA's dubais have 112 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: been greatly exaggerated, But comma, the story of the building 113 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: of opposition to NAFTA is very very interesting. So something 114 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: I don't think most people understand is that the modern 115 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: American left is descended from the Zapatistas. Very specifically. We're 116 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: gonna one day cover the Sapatista Uprising in some detail, 117 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: but the sort of cliff Nos version is that on 118 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: January first, nineteen ninety four, the Zapatistas, who are you know, 119 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: named after the great Mexi revolutionary hero Melio Zapata, staged 120 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 2: in uprising in Mexico. They seized a bunch of cities 121 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: very quickly they were sort of driven out of those cities, 122 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: but eventually they took control of a decent part of 123 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: the territory of the Mexican state of Chiapas. The Zapatisia 124 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: stage is uprising for a number of reasons. The most 125 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: famous of them is that January first, nineteen ninety four, 126 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: is the year the NAFA took effect. One of the 127 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: things about this free trade agreement is that it in 128 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: order to ratify it, the Mexican governments changed the constitution, 129 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: and the part of the constitution they eliminated was the 130 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: part that had secured collective ownership of a bunch of 131 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: land for indigenous people, and this would allow corporations to 132 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: seize and control the season, controlled the indigenous lands, exploit 133 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: for resources, kicked the people off of it, and kill them. Now, 134 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: this obviously was unacceptable to the Zapatistas. They go into revolt. 135 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: What I think people don't realize is the zapatisis what 136 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: the Zapatisis did next, which is holding these a series 137 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: of these things called encuentros like encounters. Sorry, my my 138 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: Spanish is not as good as it once was, and 139 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: it was never great, but you know, in which they invited, 140 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: you know, sort of leftist activists from all over the 141 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: world to get together. And this is the thing that 142 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: rebuilt the left after the absolute catastrophe of the death 143 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: of the old left around the collapse of the Soviet Union, 144 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: which sort of annihilated like the sort of old left 145 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: like communist political parties and you know, usherdon like the 146 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,479 Speaker 2: pure error of the march and neoliberalism. And the activists 147 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: that came out of these encounters go back to you know, 148 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: go back to their respective countries and they start and 149 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: you know, they're they're organizing against these trade against you know, 150 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: the these series of free trade deals, and they start 151 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: doing what's called what's become known as summat hopping. I 152 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: think the most famous of these in America is what's 153 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: become known as the Battle of Seattle, the nineteen ninety 154 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: nine giant protest against the World Trade Organization summit. Yeah, 155 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: and this sort of you know, and this starts from 156 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: about nineteen ninety nine to nine to eleven. There's a 157 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: huge wave of these well, I mean, it goes on 158 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: after nine eleven, but nine to eleven really damages it. 159 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: But there's this massive it's like really the first sort 160 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: of real like mass mobilizations and social movements, like in 161 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: the US sense, like there's this stuff in the anti 162 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: nuclear room of the eighties, but this is the first 163 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: really big sort of like resurrection of the left. And 164 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: I think importantly for us, like the people who people 165 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: who found occupy, like David Graber, for example, is someone 166 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: who starts doing politics like during this period dream alter globalization, 167 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: dreaming these sort of protests and those people, those are 168 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: the people who build occupy and you know, occupy for 169 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 2: whatever whatever else you can say about it, Keepie is 170 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: the single event that brought that, like drag the American 171 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: left kicking and screaming out of irrelevance and all of 172 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: that shit everything, you know, every all of the sort 173 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: of organizational tenets of occupy, all of its sort of ideology. 174 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: That stuff is all stuff from ultric globalization, right, and 175 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: you know, and the sort of tenants of like of 176 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: direct democracy, of this sort of like the sort of 177 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: economic egalitarianism, this opposition to free trade, this you know, 178 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: this whole thing about the way that the World Trade 179 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 2: Organization and the World Bank, you know, use sort of 180 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: economic structuring deals that devastate economies and like turn entire 181 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: nations into sort of debt peons. This is all ultric 182 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: globalization stuff, and this movement is very, very powerful and 183 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: very successful, even the sort of arch like you know 184 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 2: by by by by the time you hit twenty sixteen. Right, 185 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 2: this has reshaped politics in the US to the extent 186 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: that like arch neoliberal Hillary Clinton says she's openly in 187 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 2: like openly says she's in favor of renegotiating NAFTA and 188 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: opposes her own Trans Pacific Partnership, which is the last 189 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: of the sort of giant free trade deals that would 190 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: eventually like die and go up and smoke with Trump. Right, 191 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to read a passage from David Graver's piece 192 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: to Shock of Victory about what actually happened during this movement. 193 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: This is the section about free trade agreements. All the 194 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: ambitious free trade treaties planned since nineteen ninety eight have failed. 195 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: The MIIA was routed the FTAA the focus of the 196 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: actions in Quebec, and Miami stopped that in its tracks. 197 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: Most of us remember the two thousand and three FTAA, 198 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: some mainly for introducing the quote unquote Miami model of 199 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: extreme police respression against even obviously nonviolent civil resistance. It 200 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: was that, but we forget that this was more than anything, 201 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: the enraged flailings of a pack of extremely sore losers. 202 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: Miami was the meeting where the FTAA was definitively killed. 203 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: Now no one is even talking about broad, ambitious treaties 204 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: on that scale. The US is reduced to pushing from 205 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: minor country to country trade packs with additional allies like 206 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: South Korea and Peru, or at best deals like caf 207 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: TA uniting its remaining client states in Central America. And 208 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: it's not even clear will manage to pull that off. 209 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: And this is what we've seen from you know, sort 210 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: of projecting forward from the future, from the two thousands 211 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: when this is written. Free trade was not killed by 212 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: Trump or shijiping these tree trade agreements, if anyone, was 213 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 2: killed by the Zappatistas and the global justice and the 214 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: global justice movement that that, you know, the sort of 215 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: like in contros and the Appatista is built. 216 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: Now. 217 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: One thing that Appatistas did not build is the producting 218 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: services that support this podcast. And we are we are 219 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: back from products and servicing, products and servicing. That is 220 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 2: slightly ominous. Now, the modern left isn't the only thing 221 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: that's sort of descended from the backlash to free trade. 222 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: Right. 223 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: We've we've you know, we we've gone over the extent 224 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: to which the left is built off of this stuff. 225 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: But much of the modern right is descended from the 226 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: sort of ross perrot like right wing nationalists backlash to 227 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: the same stuff. I think probably the most the most 228 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: famous link between that era and this era is Alex Jones. 229 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 2: This is the reason that like Alex Jones and people 230 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 2: like him screaming about, like scream constantly about globalists, right, 231 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: because you know, the global justice movement has two kind 232 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: of wings. There's or you know, what was called anti globalization. 233 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: It's two wings. One wing is a sort of is 234 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: a leftist wing, which is like, okay, we actually support 235 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: like the we know, we support the global like movement 236 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: of ideas and people, but we but you know what, 237 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: what what globalization and free trade actually means is locking 238 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: people down in their countries with militarized borders while capital 239 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: boostle really between them, and we think that's fucking bad. 240 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: There was also another you know, there was also the 241 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: right ring action, which is this incredibly right wing nationalist reaction, 242 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: which is that like, ah, like these these like rootless 243 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: cosmopolitan globalists are are like like you know, taking all 244 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: of our jobs and moving them to like Mexico, and 245 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: you know they've like sold they've like sold out the 246 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: American people. And you know, like obviously this stuff is 247 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: just it starts anti it starts like as anti semitic 248 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 2: dog whistles and just gets I mean like like okay, 249 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: these are like the loudest dog whistles of all time, right, 250 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: but you know they get increasingly anti semitic. And this 251 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: is the kind of stuff you know that Alex Jones 252 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: is doing, and this is the kind of sort of 253 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: right wing politics that wins out over so sort of 254 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: like neo conservatisms more like sort of hoorah free trade. 255 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: We're going to use like the might of the American 256 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: empire to like you know, spread sort of like this 257 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: very specific model of capitalism to other countries. And you 258 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: at this sort of Trump's style like fuck every other country, 259 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: We're going to kind of do tariffs and stuff. Now, 260 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: what I think is very interesting. So what Trump eventually 261 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: sort of winds up, you know, producing as a discourse, 262 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: I guess you could say, is this is this image 263 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: of Okay, so like the thing that's holding back the 264 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: American worker is China because all of our jobs are 265 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: being sent to China. And so if we just put 266 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: more tariffs on China and we defeat China geopolitically, everything 267 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: will sort of like be great in the American nation, 268 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: Like you, the white worker are going to have jobs again, 269 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 2: Like everything's going to go back to the way they were. 270 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: And what's fascinating about this is that, you know, as 271 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: the trade war's intensifying in the mid late twenty tens 272 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: in China, there is a parallel discourse which is almost identical, 273 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: where Chinese nationalists will do this thing where they talk 274 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: about like breaking through the Great Ming as a solution 275 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: to evolution. We talked about involution on the show before. 276 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: Is this concept that's very popular in China right now, 277 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: where you know, it's becoming increasingly clear that like a 278 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: working hard is not going to actually get you any 279 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: more money than you're getting now, Like you're not going 280 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: to get ahead in life. You're just sort of stuck. 281 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: And so you're stuck in this condition of putting more 282 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: and more effort into nothing. And the Chinese nationalist argument 283 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: is that if you can geopolitically defeat the US, China 284 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: will sort of like break out of its wage stagnation 285 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: and economic stagnation. And so you know, what you have 286 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: is this very very dangerous collision of these two sort 287 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: of like right wing nationalisms that are like offering these 288 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: really sort of categorically false assertions that if you just 289 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: follow their sort of nationalists geopolitical agenda, then all of 290 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: the sort of class issues that everyone's dealing with will 291 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: suddenly magically work themselves out. Now, contra this and contra 292 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: I think the argument that even that sort of just 293 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: you know, the argument that I was talking about before, 294 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: that like Trump and the sort of national less like 295 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: economic policy and discourse from China like represents something you know, 296 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 2: seim like a seismic change, and like trade policy that 297 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: signals the end of neoliberalism. I want to come back 298 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 2: to the point of will Trump actually be able to 299 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: implement any of this stuff even if he had sort 300 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: of near dictatorial power, And I think the answer to 301 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: that is no. And the reason I think the answer 302 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 2: to that is no is that, you know, one of 303 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: the old observations about quote unquote free trade from the 304 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 2: global Just movement is that, Okay, if you look at 305 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: what quote unquote trade is right, international trade, huge amount 306 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: of it is literally the same company moving its own 307 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 2: resources from one place to another. Now, the problem is 308 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: the more expensive it is for corporation to do this, 309 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: the more pissed off they get. Right, and this means 310 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: that this kind of like tariff war bullshit. And this 311 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: happened through the Trump administration that pissed off a lot 312 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: of people. And if if you know and Trump is, 313 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: you know his intention is to start an even larger 314 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: and more powerful series of trade wars. This is going 315 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: to piss off a lot of people who actually matter 316 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 2: in the sort of in the American political system, which 317 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: is to say, a lot of shareholders and a lot 318 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 2: of CEOs, and you know. And so I think the 319 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: fairly obvious conclusion is that what actually happens here is 320 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: you get exactly the same kind of shit that happened 321 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: with Trump's like quote unquote pull out of NAFTA, where 322 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 2: he makes like one or two symbolic gestures and then 323 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: everything continues as normal and he declares victory. Now, the 324 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,959 Speaker 2: second problem I have with people looking at this as 325 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 2: a sort of new regime is the way that they're 326 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: thinking about this sort of like teriff and subsidy regime 327 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 2: as something that's that's not a part of neoliberalism, right, 328 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: Like the sort of theoretical ideal of neoliberalism is countries 329 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: aren't supposed to do tariffs. Countries aren't supposed to be 330 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 2: able to do like quote unquote protectionism. So we're not 331 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: supposed to give subseason manufacturers, and everyone's supposed to like 332 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: compete on a free and equal tit playing field. This 333 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 2: has never been true, and in fact, what free trade 334 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 2: has meant in practice, and this has been true since 335 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: the founding of the World Trade Organization. What it means 336 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: is that Western countries get to impose tariffs and manufacturing 337 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: subsidies and non Western countries don't. Right, even in the WTO, 338 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: there's a bunch of random carve outs for like fucking 339 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 2: like random workers in Germany and stuff. This is also 340 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: a part of, like literally a part of what started 341 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: the Zapatista uprising. I mean we talked about, you know, 342 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 2: the primary cause, like the elimination of collective ownership from 343 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 2: Mexican constitution. But another huge problem is what what NAFTA 344 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: was going to do is force a bunch of Mexican 345 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 2: corn farmers to compete with American corn farmers. Now, okay, 346 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: if it was literally just corn farmers from these two 347 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 2: countries competing, like Mexican corn farmers, probably eventually cand out 348 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: compete American corn farmers because Americans are fucking dogshit at farming. 349 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 2: But under the terms of NAFTA, and this is again 350 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: the thing that's been true of free trade this whole time, 351 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: they have to compete with subsidized American corn. This is impossible. 352 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: Mexican farmers got fucking annihilated. All of their land was 353 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: seized by corporations, and you know, it has brought sort 354 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: of devastation and ruined to the Mexican economy ever since. 355 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 2: This has been absolutely great for the ruling class because 356 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: all of these farmers, who suddenly, like you know, can't 357 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: afford to keep their farms anymore, were forced into sort 358 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: of like labor and a bunch of shitty sweatshops that 359 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 2: were set up from NAFTA. So this worked great from 360 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: the perspective of American capital. But again, if you look 361 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: at what actually happened here, right, all of the sort 362 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: of like rhetoric of free trade, you know, like sort 363 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 2: of like fades into mist and face of the reality 364 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: of one of the great industrial policy programs in the 365 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: in the history of world economies, which is the American 366 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: subsidization of its own fucking agriculture. And you know, this 367 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 2: isn't considered in the quote unquote industrial policy or like 368 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 2: industrial like government planning or whatever, like largely because people 369 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 2: have this weird bias when they talk about government planning 370 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: that it only is supposed to apply to like, oh, 371 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: government planning means when like someone like plans steel outputs 372 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: or some shit. But like no, like the actual large 373 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: scale economic plan that goes on the US is the 374 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 2: unfat like billions and billions of billions and billions of 375 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: dollars will be pour into the agricultural industry every year. 376 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: So you know, if if if you look at the 377 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: stuff that everyone's claiming, are these sort of new innovations 378 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: that are like the end of neoliberalism, right, it's like, 379 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: oh my god. Other countries are are putting up like 380 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 2: protectionists subsidy things, like they're having their you know, people 381 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: are like trying to make microchips and they're having like 382 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: state sponsored programs to do microships. It's like, while they're 383 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: just doing with microchips, what the US has been doing 384 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: with cord this entire time, right, what's really changing to 385 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: some extent is that, you know, the deal had always 386 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 2: been that Western countries get to impost terrists and ad 387 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: manufacturing subsidies and non Western countries don't. And I think 388 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 2: part of what's weighing people out is that, like, you know, 389 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: China has actually been kind of attempting to break the 390 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 2: West monopoly on being able to do with industrial policy, 391 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: and this has caused a bunch of people to really 392 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 2: severely overestimate the extent to which like this is an 393 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 2: actual break from previous regimes of trade and capital. Now, 394 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: another point that I want to make that I've talked 395 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: about this before on the show, but I want to 396 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: kind of briefly touch on it again because I think 397 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 2: it's really important and it's really badly understood, is that 398 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: for all of the sort of discourse about how, like, ah, 399 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: China's like entering into economic competition with the West and 400 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 2: it's like increasingly using the party to like pursue nationalist 401 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: aims instead of like following the market, if you look 402 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: at what's actually going on in China, despite all the 403 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: hype about like China and the US are decoupling their economies, 404 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: or like China is trying to make its own domestic 405 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 2: silicon industry. The actual tendency in Chinese economic policy is 406 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 2: towards further integration and increasing foreign ownership. China has a 407 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: lot of provisions about foreign companies needing to be in 408 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 2: partnership with Chinese companies in order to operate in China. 409 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 2: There's always been massive restrictions on how much stock a 410 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: foreign company can own in Chinese companies, and these restrictions 411 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: in sector, sector after sector after sector are being lifted, 412 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: and so you have to sort of look at this, 413 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: you know, the sort of like surface level nationalist narratives 414 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: about like, ah, we're entering an era of like warring 415 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 2: like like warring mutually exclusive economic trading series, with the 416 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: reality of China being like, no, please foreign capital, like 417 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 2: you can operate here without us. It's going to be 418 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: great just to keep keep keep pumping more capital in 419 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: if we all, if we all work together, all of 420 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: the sort of porteows you will keep making money together. 421 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: And I think all of this leads to something The 422 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 2: last thing I want to touch on, which is what's 423 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: actually happening here and the thing that's actually happening here, 424 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: and the problem the thing that's actually causing all of 425 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 2: these sort of like all like the sort of focus 426 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: on trade itself and the sort of Trumpian nationalists, we 427 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: can solve all your problems by trade competition. What's happening 428 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 2: is that after about the nineteen sixties, because of sort 429 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 2: of structural manufacturing or of a capacity and under consumption production, 430 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: you know, industrial production to zero sum. Right, you can't 431 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: increase production rates in a country without that, you know, 432 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: without that production coming at the cost of another country. 433 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: And this is this is because and wow, stop me 434 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 2: if you heard this one before. This is because of 435 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: fucking capitalism and what Trump is trying to do and 436 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: what you know, to a lesser extent sort of shieshiping 437 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 2: and what to you know, these sort of Chinese nationalists 438 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: are trying to do is turn you know, they're trying 439 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: to stand on a beach and order the tide to 440 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: recede in order to stop the coming class war. They 441 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 2: are trying to say, no, we can go back to 442 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 2: the era where production wasn't zero sum. We can do 443 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: this as sort of terrorists. We can go back to 444 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: the golden age of both corporations and unions, making moor 445 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 2: corporations and workers like making money together and the sort 446 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: of like national collaborationist project. And they're doing this in 447 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: large part because they are watching the same thing that 448 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: you and I are watching the same thing. That's the 449 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 2: reason this episode is being recorded at fucking three in 450 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: the morning, is at of a normal time, which is 451 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 2: that all across the US, and you know, increasingly all 452 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: across the world, you can fucking see the working class 453 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,719 Speaker 2: starting to organize again. You can see it starting to wake up, 454 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: you can see it starting to mobilize. And this whole 455 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: fucking thing, all of Trump right, this entire sort of racist, 456 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: senophobic nationalist project, is just utter dread that Ferguson and 457 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 2: the Black Revolution put into the fucking hearts of these people. 458 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: And if we fight hard enough, we fight smart enough, 459 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: and we fight organized enough, in Shila, we will see 460 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 2: the fucking day when these people's nightmare comes true and 461 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: we never have to hear another word from these fuckers again. 462 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: It says beIN, It could happen here. 463 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: It could happen here, as a production of cool Zone Media. 464 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 465 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: cool Zonemedia. 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