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Speaker 1: Stop your pants.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to NFL Daily. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and we're getting

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Speaker 2: excited for the real NFL off season to start. Jordan

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Speaker 2: Rodriguez the Athletics clearly excited. Patrick claibhan is as well.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to beep you out right off the top.

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Speaker 1: Of the show at Jordan did not realize we were starting.

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Speaker 3: We are starting.

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Speaker 2: We couldn't get you couldn't wait any longer to start.

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Speaker 4: What if we don't beep it? I'm I'm just throwing

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Speaker 4: that out there, Okay. I'm looking over at Eric.

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Speaker 1: Eric having a conversation behind the glass earlier about just

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Speaker 1: the tone of voice that you use to talk about

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Speaker 1: difficult things.

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Speaker 2: And there's no like like SCC for podcasts. I guess

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Speaker 2: the NFL. Yes, certain things are more appropriate than others.

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Speaker 2: But this is a this is all on.

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Speaker 4: It depends on the timing of the beat because with

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Speaker 4: the S word right and the I G. Yeah, if

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Speaker 4: you beep it, it could turn into something else. WHOA Okay,

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Speaker 4: I mean you could drop it all together.

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Speaker 3: You could.

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Speaker 2: I am in favor of it, and I think it

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Speaker 2: fits well for the vibe of this show. Driving Mini

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Speaker 2: Camp season is all but done, guys with the break

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Speaker 2: is about to happen.

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Speaker 3: The break is about to happen.

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Speaker 2: Although there are a few random teams that are practicing

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Speaker 2: next week, but not many most like the Chargers for instance,

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Speaker 2: There's just a couple of rookies there. There's a couple

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Speaker 2: of voluntary ones. A lot of people are canceling their

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Speaker 2: things for next week. So about twenty eight twenty nine teams.

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Speaker 2: Their off season program is over as of Thursday. As

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Speaker 2: we are taping this, I say.

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Speaker 4: Well, I want to run the numbers on is there

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Speaker 4: an advantage to OTA timing? I would like to and

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Speaker 4: perhaps this is a tease, I'll reveal the answer. Okay

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Speaker 4: next week, dun dun dump. Wow.

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Speaker 2: The Lions, for instance, yeah, they've already been offering. The

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Speaker 2: Rams are going to go to Hawaii next week. Jordan

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Speaker 2: is not making that trip. It would be a big

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Speaker 2: expense for them to just.

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Speaker 1: I will be in New York helping my sister move.

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Speaker 3: Great job by you.

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Speaker 1: So I mean you pick an option, you know, like

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Speaker 1: to Maui. I mean, I don't know, tough choice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but when you're done there's the collective relief of

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Speaker 4: having done something good right, or.

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Speaker 1: Or the relief that comes with laying in the sand

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Speaker 1: sipping a decree.

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Speaker 2: You know you'd have to work there, and you know, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't think you understand how little work is involved with

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Speaker 1: covering Rams Mini Camp.

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Speaker 2: I can imagine, especially who we're not supposed to say that,

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Speaker 2: basically like, hey, let's let's let Pooka a Kua.

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Speaker 3: It's so cool.

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Speaker 1: There's going to be so many fans there that are

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Speaker 1: so excited to see him. I am sad to be

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Speaker 1: missing that.

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Speaker 3: That is too bad.

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Speaker 2: But we will wrap up, and I know you are

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Speaker 2: at rams OTAs this week. I don't know if the

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Speaker 2: Rams will make it into this show or not, because

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Speaker 2: we are going to tell winners and losers for Mini

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Speaker 2: Camp season, something I like to do because it's just

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Speaker 2: a fun framing device and serious football heads like Patrick

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Speaker 2: might look down on it because like, how can you

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Speaker 2: really win or lose? It's just this is a fun

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Speaker 4: I'm not serious, I'm just annoying.

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Speaker 2: No, okay, let's start. I will throw out a winner

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Speaker 2: right off the top. I'll say Jordan Rodriege is a

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Speaker 2: winner because I feel like you have been right on

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Speaker 2: front street of this Bengals story of them not taking

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Speaker 2: care of their people, and you've just been frustrated.

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Speaker 3: So it's just in your wheelhouse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that they are now finding new ways to annoy

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Speaker 1: And I want to be clear because I think this

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Speaker 1: the future of how these things are argued and then

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Speaker 1: I still would have given them more points for the

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Speaker 1: positive of the off season. And I've heard it. I've

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Speaker 1: heard Bengals fans being like, why do you hate our team?

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Speaker 1: Why do you hate the team? Like, stop talking smack

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Speaker 1: genuinely disappointed and disturbed by the way that they have

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Speaker 1: handled this Samar Stuart situation, because the entire context of

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Speaker 1: this conversation is asking somebody to basically be the face

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Speaker 1: take advantage of a collectively bargained already collectively bargained contract

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Speaker 1: then affect all all other players. And I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's fair, and I think it's really a crappy thing

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Speaker 1: for a team to do when a player already has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I should have set it up by saying

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Speaker 2: that Samar Stewart left Bengals mini camp on Thursday. He

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Speaker 2: has not been practicing. He's their first round pick. It's honestly,

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Speaker 2: I did find out and under understand what the difference

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Speaker 2: in the contract that they're at. It's not worth getting

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Speaker 2: into here, but it is worth listening to Shamar Stewart

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Speaker 2: talk about it earlier in the week.

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Speaker 5: I've been doing this for most of my whole life,

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Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden it is gone over

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Speaker 5: something very simple to fix. It's kind of disappointing who

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Speaker 5: all greed trade will be right right, but technically still

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Speaker 5: one percent wrong for being on the contract. So in

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Speaker 5: my case, I'm one hundred percent right, so it should

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Speaker 5: be a no brainer. And in trace case, I think

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Speaker 5: it should be a no brainer too. I mean, he

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Speaker 5: led seventeen and a half sacks and two for two

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Speaker 5: years back to back. If I was a GM or

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Speaker 5: I was the owner, take all my money. But I

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Speaker 5: guess they don't offer you like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, and I don't want to be clear too,

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Speaker 1: because I came into the room this morning like ready

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Speaker 1: to swing because I was upset about this, and I

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Speaker 1: am upset about this. I think that, first of all,

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Speaker 1: these contracts are tiered in a certain way. Now that's

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Speaker 1: pretty relatively simple. They're not perfect. I don't think anything

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Speaker 1: that has to be collectively bargained. Because a corporation on

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Speaker 1: one side is trying to get more and the worker

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Speaker 1: it's always going to have to be a compromise in

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Speaker 1: certain ways. So these are tiered relatively and relatively straightforward

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Speaker 1: manner now, and they were collectively bargained. But what the

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Speaker 1: Bengals are trying to do right now is set a

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Speaker 1: new blueprint for certain removals of guarantees in the sort

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Speaker 1: like you said, it's murky and nuanced and there's like

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Speaker 1: a lot of legal ees involved, but at the basic

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Speaker 1: simplest way to describe this is something has already been

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Speaker 1: approved by the collective bargaining agreement that the Bengals are

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Speaker 1: now trying to change, and to do so with this

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Speaker 1: particular contract would then set a precedent and a blueprint

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Speaker 1: for all thirty one other teams to possibly do the

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Speaker 1: same thing, which in this league we have to assume

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Speaker 1: that they would in order to save a small percentage

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Speaker 1: of money. And instead of this being resolved when the player,

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Speaker 1: when Shamar is holding out or not practicing because it

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Speaker 1: would be a liability for himself if he were to

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Speaker 1: get injured in a practice before he actually signs the contract,

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Speaker 1: instead of this being resolved, it has now turned into

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Speaker 1: a very public situation where this twenty one year old

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Speaker 1: if I don't hold firm, every other first round pick

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Speaker 1: that comes after me could be subjected to this same removal.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's not fair, he said the money quote from

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Speaker 2: him was, I'm not asking for nothing that's never been

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Speaker 2: done before. But in the team's case, y'all just want

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Speaker 2: to win an argument instead of winning more games, in

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Speaker 2: my opinion, which is fighting words and man, is a

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Speaker 2: tough situation for a rookie to be in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they'd like to win a chance to spend less

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Speaker 4: month ultimately to compensate someone. And while he's not asking

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Speaker 4: for something that nobody else has asked before, the Bengals

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Speaker 4: in this instance are asking something of Stuart that nobody

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Speaker 4: has asked of anybody before in terms of the particular

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Speaker 4: language of this contract. And this is a CBA that

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Speaker 4: was negotiated when Shamar Stewart was seventeen years old, so

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Speaker 4: he never had any call on what the CEVA looked like.

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Speaker 4: And here at this point his only option is to withhold,

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Speaker 4: is to withhold his labor until this is resolved. But

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Speaker 4: this is clearly this is an overreach.

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Speaker 2: Thing is they'll figure it out. All right, Let's do

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Speaker 2: another winner and Loser. I apologize because that was such

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Speaker 2: a bummer no to start, all right, Mark Patrick.

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Speaker 1: Garrett, It's not a bummer. It's important, right, No.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely is. I just feel bad because, like the

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Speaker 2: straightened out. Off the top, I mean, eventually it will

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Speaker 2: at some point. Bengals fans, they know it, and they're

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Speaker 2: they're just having to sit in it right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be clear, none of us are trying

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Speaker 1: to pile on the Bengals, but it is an infrastructural

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Speaker 1: failure of the entire ecosystem top to bottom to put

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Speaker 1: a twenty one year old in this position of potentially

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Speaker 1: defying his union, to potentially defying all of the players

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Speaker 1: and teammates and colleagues that come after him. And where

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Speaker 1: the hell is the head coach in this? Where is

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Speaker 1: he to step in and be the coach for the player?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Zach Taylor has never been one that has a

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Speaker 3: It's pretty clear, all right, Patrick.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Greg's ever heard me yell before, and

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Speaker 1: I think he's deeply uncompaed.

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Speaker 4: You feel like that's yelling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my I told Eric, I was like when

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Speaker 4: A lot, like like yelling. Is this if they're conditional,

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Speaker 4: they're not guarantees. Yeah, if there's conditions at taxes on,

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Speaker 4: why do we call them guarantees. George Pickens reg is

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Speaker 4: a winner, which also means Dak Prescott is a winner,

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Speaker 4: which also means the Cowboys are winners in this where

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Speaker 4: we see this exchange and feel like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 4: George Pickens was was mercurial and he was doing all

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Speaker 4: these weird things. He's at a great camp and thus far,

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Speaker 4: like Dak Prescott had twenty six throws on a mini

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Speaker 4: camp day, which signals to me that Dak is out

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Speaker 4: there and they feel comfortable with him throwing that much.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned the Schottenheimer vibes of getting promoted to actually

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Speaker 4: a place where he'll be successful as a head coach

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Speaker 4: where maybe that success didn't necessarily come as an offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 4: and I've bought in.

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Speaker 2: The vibes are better. He's wearing a backward visor. That

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Speaker 2: was what really did it for me.

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Speaker 1: I kind of love that, Like, I don't hate him

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Speaker 2: I obviously don't follow those guys for not showing up.

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Speaker 2: So they're being set up in positions to succeed. I'm

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Speaker 3: I would go.

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Speaker 4: Literally almost screw fine.

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Speaker 4: It reminds me of when the TikTok memes started abba

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Speaker 4: these Bryce Young memes that the same sort of energy

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Speaker 1: You liked that.

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Speaker 2: I thought about trying to pull off a joke like that,

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Speaker 1: Probably a good call.

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Speaker 4: You're good.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely a trend. We got Stefan Diggs with Cardi b.

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Speaker 1: One of my winners is that the Falcons are building

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Kirk is a winner of this mini camp.

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Speaker 2: It's true, Kirk a chance, It's true, and yet the

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Speaker 3: And I don't know who is their number three right now.

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Speaker 1: And I want to reiterate too, like he they gave

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Speaker 2: But you have to delude yourself in great professional athletes,

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Speaker 3: He's thirty six years old.

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Speaker 2: He suffered that torn achilles much later than Aaron Rodgers did,

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Speaker 3: Hey, now, thanks, Patrick, come on.

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Speaker 4: There it is.

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Speaker 1: I'll take it.

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Speaker 3: Who's up? Who's up? On Winters?

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Speaker 4: I made an Easton Stick joke one time on GDL

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Speaker 1: I saw a highlight. I mean, I know it's this

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Speaker 1: time of year where we do see the highlights. I

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Speaker 1: saw a highlight of one of the past that he

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Speaker 1: made downfield at mini camp, and it drew a collective

442
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Speaker 1: like I think, exhale of happiness from that entire area

443
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Speaker 1: that where it's just felt so toxic for so long

444
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: on the field, and then stars with extensions coming due

445
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 1: soon are actually showing up to these practices. Aaron Glenn

446
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Speaker 1: cut swift ties with any of the negativity that lingered

447
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Speaker 1: in the building prior, and did so even though he

448
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Speaker 1: had to eat that criticism publicly from Aaron Rodgers. He

449
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Speaker 1: just kept going to work and going about trying to

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Speaker 1: make this football team better. I think it's a huge

451
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Speaker 1: credit to Aaron Glenn and the Jets. And you know,

452
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Speaker 1: I'm starting to buy in, guys, I am, I am starting.

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Speaker 3: To do it.

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Speaker 2: I've been buying in. I'm with you, Garrett. There's a

455
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Speaker 2: lot of like Garrett Wilson looking better than he ever has.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's always awesome. I love this time. I

457
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Speaker 3: can buy it.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's great except the people who aren't.

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Speaker 3: JK.

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Speaker 2: Dobbins is a winner. I like that home for him

461
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Speaker 2: in Denver. Haven't done a show since he signed there.

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Speaker 2: He's going to make that team he's getting I think

463
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Speaker 2: two point seventy five million dollar base but guaranteed too,

464
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Speaker 2: so there's no chance that he's going to get cut beforehand.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like a massive change in RJ.

466
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Speaker 2: Harvey's like fantasy stock. I saw a lot of that.

467
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Speaker 2: It's like I think RJ. Harvey is going to be

468
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Speaker 2: who RJ. Harvey is, and JK. Dobbins is another valuable

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Speaker 2: piece to have there and probably will have a sizable workload.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately, I never thought RJ.

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Speaker 2: Harvey was going to be a guy that was getting

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Speaker 2: more than twelve to fifteen touches a game. And if

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Speaker 2: he's going to be, if he's that good, he still

474
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Speaker 2: will even if JK.

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Speaker 3: Dobbins is there.

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Speaker 2: But JK Dobbins great vibes, another player who might be

477
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Speaker 2: even better a year further removed from his surgeries.

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Speaker 3: But he was quite good last year.

479
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Speaker 2: And I always think Sean Payton knows how to get

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Speaker 2: the most out of his running backs, really all his

481
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Speaker 2: skill position players strength, so he'll focus on what JK.

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Speaker 3: Dobbins does well and I think get a lot out

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Speaker 3: of them.

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Speaker 1: I regret to inform Arthur Smith that I have placed

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Speaker 1: him in the Mini camp and OTA's Losers column, not

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Speaker 1: because I think that about him as a person, or

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Speaker 1: his offense or his system, but because I think that

488
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Speaker 1: he was riding shotgun in this car being driven by

489
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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, and suddenly there's a new passenger, princess in town.

490
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Speaker 1: That person has control over the GPS and over the music,

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Speaker 1: and Art Smith is like hanging on to the bumper

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Speaker 1: on a skateboard. And this offense, the way that this

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Speaker 1: offense comes together, is one of the stories of the

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Speaker 1: off season in my opinion, because Arthur Smith is going

495
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Speaker 1: to have to pull from a different set of knowledge,

496
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Speaker 1: a different set of concepts than he previously has preferred

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Speaker 1: that really run heavy, you know, play action, all of

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Speaker 1: those types of things. Whereas Aaron Rodgers likes to change

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Speaker 1: the play at the line of scrimmage, he likes to

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Speaker 1: drop back, he likes to have the defense in front

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Speaker 1: of him, he likes to understand and see where all

502
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Speaker 1: of the little chess machinations are coming from. And I

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Speaker 1: think both of those things are fine. It's just melding

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Speaker 1: them together is what's going to be super interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: And I am waiting with breath that is baitis to

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Speaker 1: see what this version of the Steelers look like.

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Speaker 2: Let's listen to Aaron Rodgers. I checked out his entire

508
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Speaker 2: press conference with the Steelers reporters, and I found it compelling.

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Speaker 2: Here's a little section of it.

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Speaker 7: A lot of decisions that I've made over my career

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Speaker 7: in life from strictly the ego, even if they turn

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Speaker 7: out well or always unfulfilling, but the decisions made from

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Speaker 7: the soul are usually pretty fulfilling. So this was a

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Speaker 7: decision that was best for my soul.

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Speaker 3: I believe him.

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Speaker 2: I also it doesn't make me necessarily feel any better

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Speaker 2: about the Steelers because of what you said. Like, one

518
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Speaker 2: thing left unset about the Arthur Smith and Aaron Rodgers

519
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,959
Speaker 2: offenses lately is how ineffective they've been. Like even with

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Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur as his coaching Green Bay was ineffective, certainly

521
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Speaker 2: was with the Jets. Arthur Smith is on a three

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Speaker 2: year losing streak essentially of ineffective offenses. And the thing

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Speaker 2: that was interesting to me listening to that clipping Rogers

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Speaker 2: And there was another one where they literally asked him

525
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Speaker 2: what would it be like to win a championship here?

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Speaker 2: And he said, oh that, you know, he said something like,

527
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Speaker 2: well that what would that be? Seventh you know here,

528
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: that would be that would be great. But then he

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Speaker 2: went on and said but that he essentially kind of

530
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Speaker 2: was like, but that's not what it's about for me.

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Speaker 2: It's about giving back to the game and just finding

532
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Speaker 2: joy in something that I love UH to do, which

533
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Speaker 2: is great, But I don't know. Part of me also

534
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Speaker 2: thinks like, once you're thinking about retirement, he just I

535
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Speaker 2: don't know if he's quite all in as he as

536
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Speaker 2: he used to be. How could you be?

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Speaker 4: But that all that stuff is what's happened before. I

538
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 4: think his level of all in uh hasn't hasn't changed.

539
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Speaker 4: This is just a cyclical thing where he gets in

540
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Speaker 4: the honeymoon phase with a new team and the interviews

541
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Speaker 4: all sound great. He starts dropping Sun sue Es quotes

542
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Speaker 4: about making decisions for his soul, and then in week four,

543
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Speaker 4: you know, he'll be, you know, campaigning with RFK somewhere

544
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Speaker 4: right like it's it's all, it's all, We've seen it

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Speaker 4: all for It's the question of how how well is

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Speaker 4: his achilles doing, how well is he going to move

547
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Speaker 4: in the pocket and all the other stuff Mike Tomlin's

548
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 4: gonna take care of all that. Yeah, right, it's we're

549
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Speaker 4: gonna get.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna negative view.

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Speaker 1: I'm still driving.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I got you. But the negative view, and I

553
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Speaker 3: watched it, I was like that it wasn't.

554
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Speaker 2: Really all about wins and losses anymore for him, which

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Speaker 2: I think is a dangerous place to be in pro football.

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Speaker 1: I will say, like, this is a multiple things are

557
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Speaker 1: true at the same time situation where I believe that

558
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Speaker 1: he believes in what he's talking about right now. I

559
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Speaker 1: believe the Steelers signed him with the intent of we

560
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Speaker 1: need to try to actually, you know, push past this

561
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Speaker 1: this hump that we've been in and win. They aggressively

562
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Speaker 1: pursued behind the scenes, but still aggressively pursued different quarterbacks

563
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: this off season and ultimately came to Aaron Rodgers. Gave

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Speaker 1: him the leeway and the patients to be able to

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Speaker 1: have his off season the way that he wanted to

566
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Speaker 1: have his off season. And at the same time, like,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is many things right, but right now he

568
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Speaker 1: strikes me as somebody who is deeply committed to trying

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Speaker 1: to go out on a high note. Yes, whatever that

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Speaker 1: looks like whether it's I think he has to and

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Speaker 1: perhaps based on these comments, has come to terms with

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Speaker 1: the fact that it might not mean a great record,

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Speaker 1: but he wants it to feel like a high note.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting from those comments.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 2: I think that's well said and a good interpretation of everything.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny because him being in charge of the

578
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Speaker 2: offense or cheat that was like one of the things

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Speaker 2: he bristled at was like, well, I've always just played

580
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Speaker 2: within an offense.

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Speaker 3: I'm never changing the place. And I'm like, bro, we

582
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Speaker 3: can see you cod.

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Speaker 4: It's literally the reason he got hurt. It's literally the reason.

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Speaker 2: It's also like part of the reason why he's recorded

585
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: some of the greatest seasons of all time. I can

586
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Speaker 2: remember so far back as like there was this little

587
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen twenty fifth team lull in his career, and

588
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: the huge criticisms at the time with McCarthy was he

589
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Speaker 2: was so like he had lost his balance of instructure

590
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 2: and out of structure and he essentially was just like

591
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: vibing out there and not doing the places called. That

592
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: was more than a decade ago, and I think it's

593
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 2: only gotten stronger since. But I don't know if it's

594
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Speaker 2: good for my soul, but I am happy Aaron Rodgers

595
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: back in the league.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to make these Steelers games more important.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break and we will be back

598
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Speaker 2: with some more winners and losers, wrapping up Mini camp season.

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Speaker 3: After the break.

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Speaker 2: Back on NFL Daily, Kyle Shanahan got annoyed with the

601
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Speaker 2: reporters who are keeping stats in Ota.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm team Kyle Shanahan on this.

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Speaker 3: I get it. And he's saying that.

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Speaker 2: The keeping of the stats is not only misleading for

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Speaker 2: the people that are radiant, but it's actually impacting the

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Speaker 2: way the players play. Let's say maybe a quarterback is

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00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: trying to get more completions than he normally would because

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00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: he knows they're keeping track and negatively impacting their learning

609
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,239
Speaker 2: a little uh wagging the tail thing.

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Speaker 3: I never really don't.

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Speaker 4: If only there was somebody to properly contextualize the things

612
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 4: people were seeing and you know, honestly evaluate them when else, well.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he would have I don't think he

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Speaker 2: would approve on us going winners and losers. I guess

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Speaker 2: we'd be on the side of like Nope, Sorry, Kyle,

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Speaker 2: there are winners and losers.

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Speaker 1: I actually in my losers column, I had the people

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Speaker 1: putting actual weight. I guess track as many stats as

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Speaker 1: you want, but in a loser's column, I had putting

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Speaker 1: actual weight on it. And I do have like a quick,

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Speaker 1: very quick anecdote on that front, if you will, guys

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Speaker 1: will indulge me, of course. I remember in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: one when Matthew Stafford first arrived in Los Angeles, he

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Speaker 1: used the joint practices against the Raiders and the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: during that to basically troubleshoot the range of his receivers

626
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Speaker 1: and what windows within this offense. You know, receivers in

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Speaker 1: the Sean McVay system, especially at that time, they were

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Speaker 1: changing around some of the landmarks that they would ask

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Speaker 1: receivers to run to, basically the spot on the field

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Speaker 1: to which the quarterback throws the ball. Understanding that Stafford

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Speaker 1: was a quarterback who could freestyle a little bit more,

632
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Speaker 1: could be more creative with the range of what that route,

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Speaker 1: structure and spacing would look like down the field. So

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Speaker 1: he was using those practice. He threw like seven interceptions

635
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Speaker 1: in one practice, and I remember the collective narrative, especially

636
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: from visiting media at the time, was people losing their

637
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: GD minds over this. This is the bus trade. This

638
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: isn't going to work out. He's washed, He's it. Conversely,

639
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey was playing in the star position, so the

640
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: slot their hybrid slot safety corner for the first time,

641
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: and working on a new type of match zone that

642
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: conceptually they were trying to install that offseason. Clips of

643
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: him giving up a two yard pass, videos of him

644
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: giving up a three yard past.

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00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: He's cooked, he's washed.

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00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: They're never going to be the same again. And what

647
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: did the Rams go and do that year? Win the

648
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I'm just saying this to say, like people

649
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: use these practices to try things right, to learn things. Well,

650
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: what Kyle said actual competition, Like none of this matters.

651
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: Yet, especially now. And Kyle was like before they could

652
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Speaker 3: just practice. The point of practice is to practice. I agree,

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 2: I have like losers are people putting too much into

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Speaker 2: mini camps.

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Speaker 3: Here's how you can tell you shouldn't. I mean put

657
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Speaker 3: too much into them?

658
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: Is half the teams like cancel and don't take all

659
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: the days even necessary. They cancel the last day or two,

660
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: they cancel next week if it was that important.

661
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: They wouldn't and so they should just be you know,

662
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: it is practice.

663
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: I think the most important things you can draw from

664
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: them are stuff that we're talking about, like depth chart,

665
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: like where the coaches are telling us stuff or injuries happen.

666
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: Unfortunately in defense of.

667
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 4: The of the charters right away, Yeah, yeah, a lot

668
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 4: of that. A lot of folks came up in eras

669
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 4: where coaches were reluctant to share information. Availability was limited,

670
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 4: viewing opportunity was very limited, and so there's there's scraps, right,

671
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 4: and you have people that are trying to just claw

672
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 4: together every scrap that they can. It's very difficult to

673
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: walk around the field and just absorb vibes, right, So

674
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, so and so was x of X

675
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 4: for x yards and x touchdowns And then you know,

676
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 4: you could poise that to the coach and then the

677
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: coach could properly contextualize that. But in a lot of

678
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 4: situations they may say something like we're all we all

679
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 4: could be dead on Sunday or not actually answer the

680
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 4: question in the first place, which push people in position

681
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 4: to chart.

682
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: Right, that's totally true, and uh, like you're only allowed

683
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: to show up as a media during OTA is usually

684
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: once in an entire week.

685
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: Mini camps used to be totally different.

686
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: Not to age myself, but you used to be able

687
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: to tackle and wear pads and they did two practice.

688
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't that lot, though, But so if we're the CBA,

689
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: they would do two practices day one like it would

690
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: be like a training camp day essentially.

691
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: And now now it's different.

692
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: Now they're canceling the final Saints practice to go to

693
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: five oh four f O r E, which I'm guessing

694
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: is some sort of either mini golf or top golf

695
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: copy Ane's new album.

696
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: More information is that they don't all I'm saying more

697
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: information and trust in the reporters on the ground is good.

698
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: It's just that when you're weighing too much in this

699
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: time of year, you go down this deep dark path

700
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: and I just don't want that for people. I don't

701
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: want that for you. The fans. I love better for you.

702
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: I love that they put the Saints having practice or

703
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: not on that that's what they say, at least on

704
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: rookie QB Hunter Deckers making a three pointer or not,

705
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: and he hit the three pointer and everyone so lucky.

706
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: It's then they get to go play golf.

707
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: You're up.

708
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: It's sad loser and winner. I'll combine them because it's

709
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 4: injury related for both of them. Will start with the

710
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: good news. Keaton Mitchell uh fully recovered and on the

711
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 4: way back from that ACL tear that came rookie season

712
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: which was very promising, and the Ravens go and rush

713
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: for over three thousand yards and have a great running season.

714
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 4: And now Keith Mitchell gets to be added back to

715
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: that finally fully healthy behind Derrick Henry. And on the downside,

716
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: a little bit further away in the Tri State area,

717
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 4: Michael Gallup having a setback, waiting for his comeback to

718
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 4: fully come to fruition. And so that's that sucks.

719
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, the worst thing to hear this time of year

720
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: are injuries. So let's just fire through a couple. Noah

721
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: Brown had what sounded like the most serious injury from

722
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: this week.

723
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: We'll see, we don't know the results, but he was

724
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: carted off.

725
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: Was very frustrated, I think described as a buy a

726
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: reporter of there. Ben Standig is like slamming his helmet,

727
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 2: kind of yelling out when they went over a bump,

728
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: which not a great sign for him. They also don't

729
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 2: have Terry McLaurin there, but that's not because of an injury.

730
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: That's just he's pitching out waiting for a new contract.

731
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: So that's disappointing. Also, just everyone ease off on debo

732
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: looking a little slow on one of those routes and

733
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: a little bigger, like they're not playing at full speed.

734
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: He's not trying to run his fastest, so let's just

735
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: calm down.

736
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: I also guarantee you he is gonna be so hard

737
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: to tackle regardless. So like if a freight train is

738
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: coming at you, or a slightly smaller and thinner freight

739
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: train is coming at you, it's still a freight train.

740
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 4: People. Has never been a small guy.

741
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: Right he is.

742
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 2: He is a big boy. But this like the route

743
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: that they had like multiple people like it was like

744
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: a drill, like like let's calm down. But in in

745
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: uh San Francisco. They have a couple of receivers that

746
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: have been out there on my radar because Ricky Pearsall

747
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: just wasn't able to stay healthy last year and he

748
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: missed most of the ots. Juwan Jennings has been out

749
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: with a calf. The Bears are missing Colston Loveland. He

750
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: might not be ready for training camp. So that's whenever

751
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: the second year player you hear like, well, I never

752
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: really caught up because I missed so much of the

753
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: off season. We tend to like overlook the off season

754
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: part of it, and Luthor Burdon really hasn't practiced for them.

755
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: So a lot of just like in little injuries that

756
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: will keep an eye on going.

757
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: It's a camp. Give me something.

758
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: You like Ricky Piersall who was literally shot. You're mentioning

759
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: that as he could not stay on the phone.

760
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: I oh, I was not referring to that. I was

761
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: referring to the injuries that he has. Yes, so clear

762
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: toy here, he had injuries before that that he was

763
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: not on the field even before that happen, and then

764
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: when he came back, he suffered through a couple of

765
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: different separate injuries.

766
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 3: But I'm glad you cleared that out.

767
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: I have a Bear's positive that is less big picture

768
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: but more a couple of pieces that I've been reading

769
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: coming out of Bear's mini camp. It seems like they're

770
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: really focusing in on the details, to the point where

771
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson is like losing his gourd at Cole Comet

772
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: for lining up a yard off in his split, which

773
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: is actually that's that's a thing you have to when

774
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: you have those splits the way that he likes to

775
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: run his formations, like you need to be in the

776
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: exact specific right place, like even an inch off affects

777
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: the spacing deeper down the field. So I read a

778
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: story about that, then I read a story about them

779
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: practicing a ton of situational football. So for me, the

780
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: Bears are winners because they're doing these things at a

781
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: high intensity, even in a low intensity time of year,

782
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: to try to reset the narrative that they just are

783
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: are messy all throughout.

784
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 2: That is a little bit of a trope, but also

785
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 2: one that I think that's a really sic meaningful because

786
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: it's a Mi Mike Rabel. He's getting the same pop

787
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: of like, hey, they're making them redo the plays they're making.

788
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: Drake may call out a certain cadence and if anyone

789
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: jumps off side, then you got to do the thing,

790
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: whereas that would have never happened last year. But I

791
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 2: also do believe certain coaches pay closer attention to details

792
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: much more than others. You could see it when Tennis Allen,

793
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 2: for instance, replaced Sean Payton, like they just got sloppy

794
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: in a second.

795
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 3: And that starts in the office.

796
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: And I think that Ben Johnson, because he coached under

797
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, like has this like sort of warm fuzzy

798
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: rep by association just not the case at all. Like

799
00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: he is hyper detailed, very intense. He's like not the

800
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: warm fuzzy bear hug at the podium of Dan Campbell.

801
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: He's all biting kneecaps of Dan Campbell. And he can also,

802
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: by the way, identify the specific location of the potel attendant.

803
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: So he is like, wow, hyper fixated and very intense.

804
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: And I think it is what the Bears need. And

805
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: that's that's my point.

806
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: I'm going to give a winner to the Pittsburgh Steelers'

807
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: assistant coaches who are giving us hardcore depth chart updates.

808
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: Their wide receiver coach said very clearly, Calvin Austen is

809
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: our number two. Y'all don't realize he's underrated. He actually

810
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 2: made the case for Calvin Austin as a better blocker

811
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: than people realized, despite his one hundred and sixty two pounds.

812
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: I do think Calvin Austin has been a better player

813
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: in the NFL than people realized. But he said like,

814
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: that's our number two, Like, stop asking who's the number two?

815
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: Interesting?

816
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: And then their defensive line coach said, Derek Harmon is

817
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: our left starting defensive end. He's our you know, you

818
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: guys can stop asking that too. He's our rookie. He

819
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: is going to start. So just a little bit of like.

820
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 3: Morsels of nuggets. Why information and I like it?

821
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't. It's not going to make them try

822
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: less hard. It's like, oh, I can get super comfortable now,

823
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 4: and yeah, it's the type of thing that that is good.

824
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 4: It's the information that that people go to mini camp

825
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 4: to cover and get stuff like that. Why why keep

826
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: it behind this veil of mystery? And no coach ever

827
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 4: is going to be like, hey, you know, you guys

828
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 4: need to properly contextualize me having guys redo things, you know,

829
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 4: like that's something that they're completely okay with him, you

830
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 4: being like, yeah, Mike.

831
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: Rabel, he was actually seven inches off of his spot,

832
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 1: not a yard.

833
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: It went crazy today because detail wasn't specifically adhered to.

834
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: They also, yeah, I have a boss that they clearly

835
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: like Mike Tommins like yeah, you can say whatever. There'd

836
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: be some coaches that that would probably be.

837
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, well no, what would be the point of not

838
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 4: saying it.

839
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of my winners was quarterbacks getting either engaged

840
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: or married. Okay, yeah, especially during this miniicamp time of

841
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: year to pivot slightly. Jalen and Brianna Hurts, Josh Allen

842
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: and Hailey Steinfeld, Aaron Rodgers. I don't know if he

843
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: said specifically who he had gotten married to.

844
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: Drake May and it's Britney with an I based on

845
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: a Pat McAfee appearance from like six months ago or

846
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: three months something like that.

847
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: Okay, that's it. That's all details.

848
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: Drake Man and Hudson are about to get married. High

849
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: school sweethearts Jordan Love and Ronica Stone and Matthew Stafford

850
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: and the Rams renewed their vows for another year. Okay.

851
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: So I have to admit to you, guys, I only

852
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: knew like two of these. So I crowdsourced it with

853
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: my fifteen person all women's NFL reporter group chat, and

854
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: the first response I got back was everybody, they're all

855
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: married to the game. Shout out to Catherine Fitzgerald, the

856
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: perfect it's perfect response.

857
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 3: I'm happy for all the all these young.

858
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: Man's I love, love it's awesome.

859
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 4: I have a winner in a Trope update. It comes

860
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 4: our courtesy of Cardinals tight end Trade McBride, who said

861
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 4: that the Cardinals offense was adding a lot of sauce.

862
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 4: Oh off season, and it's like we step away from yeah,

863
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: we're going to be more precise, We're gonna be more multiple,

864
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 4: working different position groups. He went ahead and said that

865
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: the offense is going to have more sauce. And I

866
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 4: like that because it's a little bit of mystery, but

867
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 4: we also know exactly what he means.

868
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: I like that Marvin Harrison has added copious amounts of

869
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: tricep muscles.

870
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if you.

871
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: See you're on for Trope al art, Like.

872
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: They're like, there, it's been a whole like it's a

873
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 2: huge story in Arizona where it's just like he has

874
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: showed up and he's just outrageous. And then they sent

875
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: they sent like a picture out and people are just

876
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 2: all into Marvin Harrison's triceps. All the reporters there, it's

877
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: all happening. The triceps are taking over.

878
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 4: The top result when I sarched it is is Marvin

879
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 4: Harrison getting too jacked.

880
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 5: It.

881
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: On the other side of the veil at this There

882
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: is such a is there's such a thing as to

883
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: people used to think CMC was two jacked. CMC, by

884
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: the way, fully healthy, practicing fully. It's rare that that

885
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: is happening. So that's just that's just a little notable.

886
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: I'll throw a winner out that bow. Melton is trying

887
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: to be like Travis Hunter and playing on both sides

888
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: of the ball. It's not a great sign for his

889
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: career as a receiver in Green Bay, where he's probably

890
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: fighting an uphill battle to make the team as like

891
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: a pure receiver. But he's out there straight up playing

892
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: cornerback now like his bro Max Melton on the Arizona Cardinals.

893
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: So maybe he can be some sort of hybrid special

894
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 2: teamer cornerback, six cornerback, sixth receiver.

895
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: Let's go COACHLF did like clarify, he's like bo is

896
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 4: still a wide receiver. Okay, but it's hard not to

897
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: take negatives away from like seeing a number eighty out there,

898
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 4: like working on his punch, It's like, oh, no, what

899
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 4: are we doing?

900
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: If it helped, yeah, if it helps you make the two.

901
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: If you look at all the guys they've drafted and

902
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: the guys who are just bigger than him.

903
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: He's got an uphill battle. So that's good.

904
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: Raiders fans, I'm going to say, are losers for wanting.

905
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: Anyone that's a Raiders fan that just wants to forget

906
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 2: about Derek Carr's playoff throw against Jermaine Pratt, they won't

907
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 2: be able to because Jermaine Pratt is now a member

908
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: of the ring.

909
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: I've started to be worried for you. What I did,

910
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: s trainer Steven, See what I did there started? You

911
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: had me the first half. I'm not gonna lie.

912
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 4: It was a heat seeking missile that navigated its way

913
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: past Remaine Brett to the couch that there a car.

914
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: I saw Bengals fan say that was one of the

915
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: best moments. I saw Bengals fan say that was one

916
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: of the best moments of their life.

917
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: Did Jermaine Pratt intercept it?

918
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: And it's true if you if you're thinking about the

919
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: the losing streak and the playoffs and the struggles that

920
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: they had, that kick that kick started at all. But

921
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: now when Pratt's out there, you know, good signing for

922
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: the Raiders. Get give a veteran guy a chance at

923
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 2: a position of of need.

924
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 3: But it's just going to remind Raiders fans.

925
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna show them how far that they've come, okay,

926
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: and that this is a totally new start and there's

927
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 4: there's new things to celebrate and enjoy. You don't have

928
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 4: to necessarily cape for anybody in their massive mistakes.

929
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: All right, we should We should get the people on

930
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: their way if we If you guys want to do

931
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: any speed round winners and losers before we say good

932
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: by to this edition of Mini Camp, you know, wrap up.

933
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: The Panthers are a winner in my book. Getting Derek

934
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: Brown back this season is going to be huge for

935
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: their defense. Also, Trevon Morrigg sounds like he's already making

936
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: a splash in practices. Yes, it is OTAs we are

937
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: not going to put too much stock in it, but

938
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: they badly need somebody who can play that versatile safety

939
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: come into the box, help defend the run, who also

940
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: can make plays.

941
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: On the ball.

942
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: Their defense needs the juice and getting him into the

943
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: mix on that three year deal, but also regaining Derek Brown,

944
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: signing Bobby Brown, all of these things are good for

945
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: the Panthers.

946
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: Tech mcmaillan out of practice and just someone to keep

947
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: an eye on coming into training camp just in case

948
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: that's serious.

949
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 3: You just don't know this time of year.

950
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 4: And congratulations all the folks who were agitated by Rashi

951
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 4: Rice's non appearance in our receiver ranking that he was

952
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 4: a full participant working his way back and get some

953
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 4: more Rashi Rice, so you can get out there and prove.

954
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: Us roll shout out to the receiver rankings. But still

955
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: doing you know, good numbers. People are going back to that.

956
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: People getting mad. You know, I don't feel bad. I

957
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: think Recei Rice was very solidly like around thirty five.

958
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah he was not even the one of the first

959
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: guys off, but he was definitely in the top forty.

960
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: He's got to prove it. He's got to stay on

961
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: the field quickly.

962
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: James Cook, his financial advisor, is absolutely a winner.

963
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: Let's listen to why James is back at practice.

964
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 4: It is mandatory, but why did you decide to come?

965
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 5: I like my money, Yeah, he will definitely do so

966
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 5: That's why I'm here.

967
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: It is Yeah, I need that for him.

968
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: If you're making it now too, you can invest it

969
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: in the near terma. And it also indicates to me

970
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 2: he's not gonna miss any of training camp, and so ultimately,

971
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: even though he probably deserves a new contract, I don't

972
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: think he's going to be holding out.

973
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 4: C J.

974
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: Stroud was back at practice, so that's good for the

975
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: Texans fans that were worried. He just said he needed

976
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: to take a little bit of a rest with his arm,

977
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: but he's back to practicing fully. And then a lot

978
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: of big Nickel love Derwin James and Nick Emon Worry

979
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: both getting that offseason, we're gonna play to the line

980
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: of scrimmage. Derwin James of course did that very much

981
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: effectively at the end of last season, but they're going

982
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 2: to try to lean into that more and it definitely

983
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: sounds like even Worry they're using essentially as a linebacker

984
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: is yes.

985
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: You know, my theory on this is that people understand

986
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: that the quote unquote cover linebacker is still just as

987
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: important as they always have been because of the news

988
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: the modern since you know, the early mid twenty fifteens

989
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: and beyond twenty seventeen, beyond spacing and play action and

990
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: all of those types of things. So they still need

991
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: a cover player in that area. But they also understand

992
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: how prevalent the run game is regaining its own momentum

993
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: and its own steam, and so they still need that

994
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: downhill force to help stop the run. So I think

995
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: you're going to see more one and a half linebacker sets,

996
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: which means a actual linebacker a lah Ernest Jones, and

997
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: then Nick em and worry coming in is that hybrid

998
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: player to help with the coverage as well. So I

999
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: think this is going to be fun.

1000
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 2: Shout out to Dan Buchanan ahead of his time. It's

1001
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 2: kind of like the only guy filling this role about

1002
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: seven or eight years ago. Now there's a whole league

1003
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: full of them.

1004
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: Check Thompson, Erasure But okay, I.

1005
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: Mean I feel like that's fair check Toobs, but check

1006
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: Thomson to me, was just like an outside line back.

1007
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: Nicol.

1008
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: Yes, uh, great show, great week.

1009
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: We will be back next week on Monday, and you

1010
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: know what, it's going to be the same.

1011
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: Trio here, maybe even in the same outfit.

1012
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: No I brought a change a change of clothes. But

1013
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: we are going to be talking about the secret weapons.

1014
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: Remember we did it a couple of weeks back. This

1015
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 2: time it'll be from the National Football Conference.

1016
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: Football is taking a break.

1017
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 4: It's my back.

1018
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 3: What taking a little break?