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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered the world's original podcast. Patriots Unfiltered brings you

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Speaker 1: inside Jillette Stadium for rousing conversations on everything New England, Patriots,

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Speaker 1: and NFL. Join host Fred Kersh alongside Patriots dot COM's

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Speaker 1: Paul Parillo, Mike Desso, Evan Lazar, Tamara Brown, and Alex

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Speaker 1: Francisco as they bring you in depth coverage of the team.

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Speaker 2: He's a red shirt rookie at that point, so it's

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Speaker 2: really that's his rookie season essentially too. So now we're

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Speaker 2: really not talking about them, really knowing.

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Speaker 1: Search for Patriots Unfiltered anywhere you get your podcasts. This

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Speaker 1: is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 3: And Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 4: He joined as always by our bark. Here is Evan

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Speaker 4: Lazar and Alex bars I have my ups and.

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Speaker 2: Downs and then we're gonna do ups and downs. Of course,

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Speaker 2: because they got a new phone. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: they went in the new phone. Of course he didn't.

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Speaker 2: He didn't do it.

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Speaker 4: They did. I have I haven't. I did it, but

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Speaker 4: I did it before I got the new phone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he is loving this new pid. All I hear about,

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Speaker 2: like five years, all I hear about is how he

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Speaker 2: has a new phone. At this one does this? It

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Speaker 2: does that like you're like a kid on Christmas. That

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Speaker 2: that gets a new PLAYSTATIONE toys? Oh my god, look

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Speaker 2: you're you're you're old. Too old for toys, all right?

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Speaker 4: Never too old for toys. Never too old for toys.

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Speaker 4: You're never too old for candy. Happy Halloween.

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Speaker 2: How was your Halloween? Uneventful?

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Speaker 3: It was?

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember what the game was. Oh, it

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Speaker 4: was that Jets Steelers game or no Jets?

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Speaker 2: That was? That was? That was scary game.

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Speaker 4: I've seen. Tonight's game should be better. Tonight's game should

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Speaker 2: There you go. How do you like your phone?

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Speaker 4: I like it? How do you like your new computer?

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Speaker 4: It's great. You came to me the other day.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I had a I had a big

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Speaker 2: like such a snobby thing to say, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: say it anyways. So when I started here, they gave

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Speaker 2: me a PC. And I'm not a PC guy. I'm

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Speaker 2: a Mac guy and I've been.

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Speaker 4: It's you just be careful with sponsors here and all that.

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Speaker 2: That's a very good point. So I'm a one computer

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Speaker 2: company guy and not another computer company guy. And after

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Speaker 2: my time here, finally I've convinced the right people to

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Speaker 4: And I am beaming. I am that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's got a great big screen and the

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Speaker 4: It is a machine. It's a computer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a fantastic machine.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna judge you for joying that I have

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you're enjoying your new toy.

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Speaker 2: I liked it. Also, easy to drink, easy to enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Bud like the official beer sponsor of your New England Patriots.

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Speaker 2: All right, So I had a tough time figuring out

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Speaker 2: So you're you're not asking like Vince will Fork to

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Speaker 2: expecting things out of guys that frankly, uh, either weren't

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Speaker 2: And so when I come on here and I take

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Speaker 2: I do have to keep reminding myself of that. The

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Speaker 2: win just by that, right, Like just because you found

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, like if I told you

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Speaker 4: I think there were talks of all votes if I

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Speaker 4: Is right, I'm setting I'm giving you credit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're who was I know the clips

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Speaker 4: It was the day of the Eagles practice and he

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, I'm not ready to do any

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Speaker 4: Now, I would say he slightly surpassed my expectations. Now

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Speaker 4: here and say there aren't issues. He's a rookie quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: From the issues, I don't think there's been anything that's

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Speaker 4: I didn't expect that to be a problem, right, the turnovers,

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Speaker 2: This is exactly and this is a sort of part

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Speaker 2: Frank this is exactly what he was at North Carolina. Now,

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Speaker 2: effectively one and two that they haven't said that. Number two,

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Speaker 2: You know, we're two and six or two and seven now,

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Speaker 2: the way to do it, right, Like that was a

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Speaker 4: No, it wasn't. It annoyed me, Like we talked so

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Speaker 4: get it. You want to play the kids, and this

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Speaker 4: People probably have the speech memorized at this point, right,

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Speaker 2: Hot and bothered by the end of the half stuff

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Speaker 4: Don't believe that the clock matters a football game. Play

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Speaker 2: on the first two plays of the drive if you

434
00:20:57,618 --> 00:20:59,738
Speaker 2: wanted to be conservative, because well so, then get on

435
00:20:59,818 --> 00:21:00,538
Speaker 2: second and third down.

436
00:21:00,658 --> 00:21:04,018
Speaker 4: Is conservative? There's been times they've gone like run past

437
00:21:04,098 --> 00:21:06,938
Speaker 4: pass and it was, you know, the approach conservative versus aggressive.

438
00:21:07,418 --> 00:21:10,858
Speaker 4: I think they overthought it and they got too I

439
00:21:10,938 --> 00:21:14,538
Speaker 4: think the overall approach was being aggressive. But they saw

440
00:21:14,618 --> 00:21:16,138
Speaker 4: the second and one and their eyes lit up and

441
00:21:16,138 --> 00:21:18,618
Speaker 4: they're like, ooh, easy, first down, right. I don't think

442
00:21:18,658 --> 00:21:21,378
Speaker 4: it was suddenly, let's get conservative. That's like the whole

443
00:21:21,458 --> 00:21:25,498
Speaker 4: thing to me though, because I know that's ultimately a

444
00:21:25,538 --> 00:21:27,498
Speaker 4: conservative approach. But I don't think they got to the

445
00:21:27,578 --> 00:21:29,738
Speaker 4: fort like when I you're conservative two minute drill. I

446
00:21:29,778 --> 00:21:32,058
Speaker 4: don't think they got to the forty and decided, oh,

447
00:21:32,138 --> 00:21:34,498
Speaker 4: we gotta start running the clock. Yeah, right. I think

448
00:21:34,538 --> 00:21:37,618
Speaker 4: they got that point and said, all right, let's pick

449
00:21:37,658 --> 00:21:39,378
Speaker 4: up a quick first down and boom, we'll get back

450
00:21:39,378 --> 00:21:41,298
Speaker 4: to throwing the ball. Right when like second and one,

451
00:21:41,418 --> 00:21:44,778
Speaker 4: take a shot that's like the cleanest and when I said, like,

452
00:21:44,858 --> 00:21:47,738
Speaker 4: that's the most obvious opportunity to take a shot, all right,

453
00:21:47,738 --> 00:21:49,178
Speaker 4: Well the Bears are probably gonna sit on it and

454
00:21:49,258 --> 00:21:51,658
Speaker 4: fall back. Then he hit pop Douglas on an underneath

455
00:21:51,658 --> 00:21:52,898
Speaker 4: the cross and let him run with the ball in

456
00:21:52,938 --> 00:21:56,658
Speaker 4: his hands, like you have so much at your disposal

457
00:21:57,098 --> 00:22:00,578
Speaker 4: in that situation, if you're the Patriots twice. Yeah, and

458
00:22:00,618 --> 00:22:01,898
Speaker 4: they didn't take advantage.

459
00:22:01,498 --> 00:22:04,578
Speaker 2: Of I think your point about what their thought process

460
00:22:04,738 --> 00:22:07,498
Speaker 2: was was spot on. Yeah, it's second and one. The

461
00:22:07,698 --> 00:22:10,498
Speaker 2: opponent probably thinks we're going to try to take that shot,

462
00:22:10,898 --> 00:22:13,858
Speaker 2: so instead we're gonna hand it. Gun run, by the way,

463
00:22:13,978 --> 00:22:16,697
Speaker 2: is what they ran. We're gonna gun run, I think

464
00:22:16,738 --> 00:22:20,018
Speaker 2: it was with Jamichael Hasty, and maybe we pick up

465
00:22:20,258 --> 00:22:23,058
Speaker 2: a free eight yards on this gun run right here

466
00:22:23,378 --> 00:22:25,018
Speaker 2: gives us a new set of downs, and now we're

467
00:22:25,058 --> 00:22:27,498
Speaker 2: around midfield, and then maybe we'll take a shot when

468
00:22:27,538 --> 00:22:28,578
Speaker 2: we're around midfield.

469
00:22:29,098 --> 00:22:30,138
Speaker 4: I can hear all that.

470
00:22:30,818 --> 00:22:34,018
Speaker 2: And this is where execution versus process comes in, Like

471
00:22:34,098 --> 00:22:36,138
Speaker 2: if they pick up the blocks and they make that happen,

472
00:22:36,218 --> 00:22:39,338
Speaker 2: and we're probably not necessarily talking about it in this way.

473
00:22:40,098 --> 00:22:45,898
Speaker 2: I just philosophically, I just disagree with prioritizing the first

474
00:22:45,978 --> 00:22:48,258
Speaker 2: down there. I just don't agree that that is the

475
00:22:48,338 --> 00:22:51,018
Speaker 2: most important thing. I think the most important thing are

476
00:22:51,098 --> 00:22:53,578
Speaker 2: the clock in the field, position that you're in right

477
00:22:53,738 --> 00:22:56,458
Speaker 2: yards yards in the clock are the two things you

478
00:22:56,498 --> 00:23:00,618
Speaker 2: should be prioritizing there, not the first down. And the

479
00:23:00,738 --> 00:23:03,018
Speaker 2: last thing I want to say about this whole spiel

480
00:23:03,698 --> 00:23:06,058
Speaker 2: with the wind situation in overtime.

481
00:23:06,538 --> 00:23:09,018
Speaker 4: So I've been touched on that. It just can't There's

482
00:23:09,058 --> 00:23:10,298
Speaker 4: there's no way around it. Can't have it.

483
00:23:10,378 --> 00:23:12,778
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna draw it up, all right, I'm gonna

484
00:23:12,818 --> 00:23:15,298
Speaker 2: draw it up because I want to show everybody here

485
00:23:15,778 --> 00:23:17,098
Speaker 2: why I think that you.

486
00:23:17,258 --> 00:23:18,898
Speaker 4: Need like a sharpie or something that's not gonna show

487
00:23:18,938 --> 00:23:20,458
Speaker 4: up on a white piece of paper. I think it's

488
00:23:20,498 --> 00:23:22,298
Speaker 4: not gonna show up. Can we zoom in? Do we

489
00:23:22,338 --> 00:23:26,177
Speaker 4: have a sharpie back there? I want to get a water.

490
00:23:26,458 --> 00:23:28,898
Speaker 2: I want to show you guys if I can with

491
00:23:29,018 --> 00:23:34,658
Speaker 2: this sharpie. Hey, I'm gonna try. I personally, and look

492
00:23:34,738 --> 00:23:38,298
Speaker 2: I got I got pushed back from on PU for

493
00:23:38,418 --> 00:23:40,538
Speaker 2: this because it was a little bit of a homer

494
00:23:40,618 --> 00:23:44,018
Speaker 2: take a little bit of a drake, may take shocker.

495
00:23:45,778 --> 00:23:50,338
Speaker 2: I personally think that taking the wind or not or

496
00:23:50,378 --> 00:23:53,898
Speaker 2: whatever the heck we're talking about, failing to factor in

497
00:23:53,938 --> 00:23:59,698
Speaker 2: the wind, sure, failing the factor in the wind cost

498
00:23:59,778 --> 00:24:03,058
Speaker 2: the Patriots a walk off sixty yard touchdown in overtime.

499
00:24:03,138 --> 00:24:05,338
Speaker 4: Troy Brown and my uh, Tom Brady and Troy Brown

500
00:24:05,378 --> 00:24:05,738
Speaker 4: in Miami.

501
00:24:05,818 --> 00:24:07,898
Speaker 2: That was my if we consume it on this this

502
00:24:08,098 --> 00:24:10,178
Speaker 2: is the play call right there?

503
00:24:10,218 --> 00:24:10,378
Speaker 4: You go.

504
00:24:11,138 --> 00:24:14,418
Speaker 2: Okay, So these crossing routes here, this like little leak

505
00:24:14,458 --> 00:24:17,378
Speaker 2: out route into that flat, and this crossing route right

506
00:24:17,418 --> 00:24:19,818
Speaker 2: here right. The idea here is to hold the post

507
00:24:19,858 --> 00:24:21,738
Speaker 2: safety up here at the top of the screen. This

508
00:24:21,978 --> 00:24:24,298
Speaker 2: right up here at up top, that's a moni hooker

509
00:24:24,538 --> 00:24:27,258
Speaker 2: right like that. You didn't draw the defenders. I ran

510
00:24:27,298 --> 00:24:29,538
Speaker 2: out of space. Uh that that that's a moni hooker

511
00:24:29,618 --> 00:24:31,618
Speaker 2: right up here, right. So what you want to do

512
00:24:32,018 --> 00:24:33,978
Speaker 2: is what they're gonna do is they're gonna roll out

513
00:24:34,418 --> 00:24:35,578
Speaker 2: Drake May to his right.

514
00:24:36,138 --> 00:24:38,098
Speaker 4: Oh, this is in I thought that was the whole drawing. Okay,

515
00:24:38,138 --> 00:24:38,858
Speaker 4: this is in progress.

516
00:24:38,898 --> 00:24:42,058
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're gonna roll Drake May out to the right.

517
00:24:42,218 --> 00:24:44,698
Speaker 2: He's gonna roll out right, and then what he's gonna

518
00:24:44,738 --> 00:24:46,978
Speaker 2: do is he's gonna hope that this safety right up

519
00:24:47,058 --> 00:24:51,418
Speaker 2: top here amani hooker is going to follow him right

520
00:24:51,738 --> 00:24:54,578
Speaker 2: to the right, thinking that he's gonna throw this second

521
00:24:54,658 --> 00:24:57,898
Speaker 2: level crosser right here that I drew. Guess what happens.

522
00:24:58,178 --> 00:25:01,058
Speaker 2: He rolls to his right, The crosser runs to the right.

523
00:25:01,338 --> 00:25:03,898
Speaker 2: Where does a moni hooker go? He goes with Drake

524
00:25:03,978 --> 00:25:07,498
Speaker 2: May and the crossing ground. Kaishan Boody is now one

525
00:25:07,578 --> 00:25:08,058
Speaker 2: on one.

526
00:25:09,018 --> 00:25:13,618
Speaker 4: A little bit other way by the way, all right, whatever,

527
00:25:13,658 --> 00:25:14,098
Speaker 4: just keep going.

528
00:25:15,298 --> 00:25:17,938
Speaker 2: Kaishan Boudy now is one on one on the post

529
00:25:18,818 --> 00:25:23,818
Speaker 2: up top right. If Drake May who has a howitzer,

530
00:25:24,058 --> 00:25:26,058
Speaker 2: he's got a rocket and we know it, he can

531
00:25:26,178 --> 00:25:30,058
Speaker 2: launch it right this throw right here, the roll right

532
00:25:30,178 --> 00:25:32,498
Speaker 2: throw back to the post on the left. We have

533
00:25:32,618 --> 00:25:36,418
Speaker 2: watched every single quarterback for like five years make this

534
00:25:36,538 --> 00:25:37,458
Speaker 2: throw at his pro day.

535
00:25:37,698 --> 00:25:40,937
Speaker 4: Right. This is the pro day throw Wilson.

536
00:25:41,178 --> 00:25:43,498
Speaker 2: This is the Zach Wilson throw that's turned into every

537
00:25:43,538 --> 00:25:46,058
Speaker 2: single big arm quarterback making this throw in the pro day.

538
00:25:46,378 --> 00:25:48,258
Speaker 2: I am telling you right now, I've seen Drake May

539
00:25:48,338 --> 00:25:51,338
Speaker 2: make that throw a dozen times, a dozen times.

540
00:25:51,898 --> 00:25:52,778
Speaker 4: And what happens.

541
00:25:53,298 --> 00:25:56,218
Speaker 2: He rolls to his right, the ball gets caught up

542
00:25:56,218 --> 00:25:57,858
Speaker 2: there in the air, and all of a sudden, the

543
00:25:57,938 --> 00:25:59,818
Speaker 2: Moni hooker is on the other side fielding it like

544
00:25:59,858 --> 00:26:03,138
Speaker 2: a punt that didn't that's not Drake May. Right, Drake

545
00:26:03,218 --> 00:26:06,138
Speaker 2: May can get the ball there, no problem. So I

546
00:26:06,178 --> 00:26:08,698
Speaker 2: don't know if Kaishan Boody catches it. I don't know

547
00:26:08,738 --> 00:26:11,098
Speaker 2: if he if he, you know, doesn't get tackled right

548
00:26:11,178 --> 00:26:13,738
Speaker 2: by the corner that's covering him in coverage. Hey, it's

549
00:26:13,778 --> 00:26:16,658
Speaker 2: all possible, right, I'm telling you it's all possible. What

550
00:26:16,738 --> 00:26:18,578
Speaker 2: I'm telling you is that the wind made it ten

551
00:26:18,658 --> 00:26:20,458
Speaker 2: times harder for him to get the ball there than

552
00:26:20,498 --> 00:26:23,538
Speaker 2: it needed to be. If Drake May is throwing with

553
00:26:23,578 --> 00:26:26,698
Speaker 2: the wind at his back. I feel really, really strongly

554
00:26:27,098 --> 00:26:29,978
Speaker 2: that that play is completed to Kaishan Boody and we

555
00:26:30,058 --> 00:26:33,178
Speaker 2: were taught about a totally different game. And that's why

556
00:26:33,298 --> 00:26:35,658
Speaker 2: right there that the coaching staff, in my opinion, not

557
00:26:36,058 --> 00:26:39,658
Speaker 2: prioritizing the wind in that situation really cost them. And

558
00:26:39,978 --> 00:26:43,578
Speaker 2: that part of it is extremely frustrating because that is

559
00:26:43,938 --> 00:26:47,018
Speaker 2: in it's a controllable, right, there's things that you can't control,

560
00:26:47,098 --> 00:26:49,018
Speaker 2: and the things that you can't control that is a

561
00:26:49,138 --> 00:26:52,258
Speaker 2: controllable and the Patriot should have been on that. And

562
00:26:52,538 --> 00:26:54,898
Speaker 2: hopefully you guys could actually see what I drew up,

563
00:26:55,258 --> 00:26:59,218
Speaker 2: but enough people have posted it on Twitter. I don't

564
00:26:59,258 --> 00:27:02,458
Speaker 2: think that Kendrick Bourne falling down had as much of

565
00:27:02,538 --> 00:27:05,578
Speaker 2: a role in it. It obviously wasn't ideal. I'm not

566
00:27:05,698 --> 00:27:08,378
Speaker 2: in a Moni hooker's head like maybe it did play

567
00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:10,378
Speaker 2: a role, but it looked to me like he was

568
00:27:10,418 --> 00:27:13,858
Speaker 2: already opening to the post before Kendrick Bourne slipped down.

569
00:27:14,458 --> 00:27:16,658
Speaker 2: But obviously it could have been a factor on the play.

570
00:27:17,018 --> 00:27:19,298
Speaker 2: I think the wind was the biggest factor. I think

571
00:27:19,378 --> 00:27:21,417
Speaker 2: Drake May under throwing the ball deserves a little bit

572
00:27:21,418 --> 00:27:25,778
Speaker 2: of Christms as well, obviously, but the coaching staff, Again,

573
00:27:26,098 --> 00:27:28,978
Speaker 2: these are just things that are actively hurting the team.

574
00:27:29,698 --> 00:27:32,858
Speaker 2: And I really felt like watching it live, I felt

575
00:27:32,938 --> 00:27:35,618
Speaker 2: like watching it on film. Uh that Kaishan Boody was

576
00:27:35,658 --> 00:27:38,378
Speaker 2: open on the play, and I definitely think that Drake

577
00:27:38,458 --> 00:27:40,738
Speaker 2: May is capable of getting him the football there. And

578
00:27:40,978 --> 00:27:42,978
Speaker 2: I'm glad we did that. See a little drawing. What

579
00:27:43,298 --> 00:27:47,378
Speaker 2: do you what did you think about that, that whole situation. Yeah, regardless,

580
00:27:47,538 --> 00:27:49,458
Speaker 2: like you just got to be aware enough take the wind.

581
00:27:49,458 --> 00:27:51,218
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Like the ball definitely got caught up

582
00:27:51,258 --> 00:27:55,578
Speaker 2: as a complete I don't know, I'm but yeah, I

583
00:27:56,258 --> 00:27:59,178
Speaker 2: you things like that changed the game and the things

584
00:27:59,218 --> 00:28:02,258
Speaker 2: that people you know used to get bled a lot, right, No,

585
00:28:02,538 --> 00:28:06,338
Speaker 2: that it the win. Remember like when he took the bill,

586
00:28:06,418 --> 00:28:09,098
Speaker 2: took the win against against Denver and everybody thought, no,

587
00:28:09,258 --> 00:28:10,778
Speaker 2: these things impact the football game.

588
00:28:11,098 --> 00:28:13,098
Speaker 4: Not every time. You don't know how they're gonna do it,

589
00:28:13,218 --> 00:28:15,818
Speaker 4: But leave no stone unturned.

590
00:28:16,098 --> 00:28:19,417
Speaker 2: That was you know, look I were I'm gonna get

591
00:28:19,418 --> 00:28:21,458
Speaker 2: to Alex man Peltier in the second. I do think

592
00:28:21,618 --> 00:28:24,258
Speaker 2: there's some things that you can criticize him for, but

593
00:28:24,498 --> 00:28:29,818
Speaker 2: I really liked the intent of that play because to me,

594
00:28:29,978 --> 00:28:33,098
Speaker 2: that was, uh, let's go freaking win the game, right,

595
00:28:33,218 --> 00:28:35,778
Speaker 2: And like, I love that mindset. That's the mindset I

596
00:28:35,858 --> 00:28:37,698
Speaker 2: want Drake to have. That's the mindset I want the

597
00:28:37,738 --> 00:28:41,738
Speaker 2: team to have. Yeah, let's go win the f and game.

598
00:28:42,178 --> 00:28:45,138
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, the situation just didn't allow them to go

599
00:28:45,218 --> 00:28:47,938
Speaker 2: ahead and make that play happen the way that it should.

600
00:28:48,298 --> 00:28:50,218
Speaker 2: If you watch the play back, like a Moni hooker

601
00:28:50,338 --> 00:28:53,898
Speaker 2: is not there at first, right, he kind of drifts over,

602
00:28:54,098 --> 00:28:56,378
Speaker 2: just like I described, and he drifts back into the

603
00:28:56,418 --> 00:28:58,498
Speaker 2: middle of the field when he sees Drake May load up.

604
00:28:58,858 --> 00:29:00,658
Speaker 2: I don't think that he would have recovered to that

605
00:29:00,778 --> 00:29:03,938
Speaker 2: post as quickly as he needed to if the ball

606
00:29:04,138 --> 00:29:06,138
Speaker 2: had been thrown on the line, like Drake May could

607
00:29:06,298 --> 00:29:08,618
Speaker 2: throw it, and I know he's capable of throwing it.

608
00:29:09,338 --> 00:29:11,818
Speaker 2: I he feelded it like like it looked like Devin

609
00:29:11,898 --> 00:29:14,898
Speaker 2: mccordy picking off Zach Wilson, Like it was like an armbrunt. Yeah,

610
00:29:14,978 --> 00:29:16,818
Speaker 2: that that's not how Drake May throws a deep ball.

611
00:29:17,178 --> 00:29:17,738
Speaker 4: We all know that.

612
00:29:18,258 --> 00:29:20,738
Speaker 2: Uh so that part of it was was too bad

613
00:29:21,938 --> 00:29:23,938
Speaker 2: in terms of Drake May. I do want to talk

614
00:29:23,938 --> 00:29:26,298
Speaker 2: about the pros and cons. You're smiling over there a

615
00:29:26,338 --> 00:29:29,938
Speaker 2: lot of people. No, no, I just somebody send me

616
00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:32,258
Speaker 2: something drawing. I thought I did a good job.

617
00:29:32,898 --> 00:29:35,418
Speaker 4: You did do a good job with that. USF they

618
00:29:35,538 --> 00:29:38,218
Speaker 4: play at the Buck Stadium right now. Yeah, they're building

619
00:29:38,258 --> 00:29:40,338
Speaker 4: it on campus stadium. They just release the renderings.

620
00:29:41,498 --> 00:29:42,898
Speaker 2: Why is this what you're smiling?

621
00:29:43,178 --> 00:29:45,778
Speaker 4: Because if you're gonna make a rendering of your stadium,

622
00:29:46,138 --> 00:29:48,658
Speaker 4: why would you make that the score in the rendering?

623
00:29:49,218 --> 00:29:52,778
Speaker 4: It's twenty eight three? What do they have? What's that

624
00:29:52,858 --> 00:29:54,538
Speaker 4: have to do with anything? Why would you pick the

625
00:29:54,618 --> 00:29:56,218
Speaker 4: most like? Why would you use that score?

626
00:29:56,458 --> 00:29:58,938
Speaker 2: What does use USF care about twenty eight to three?

627
00:29:59,258 --> 00:30:01,178
Speaker 4: Everybody knows what twenty eight three is. Why would you

628
00:30:01,218 --> 00:30:04,338
Speaker 4: put yourself up twenty eight three? You're inviting jokes, people like,

629
00:30:04,658 --> 00:30:06,978
Speaker 4: I'm smiling because some people are sending me twenty eight

630
00:30:06,978 --> 00:30:07,458
Speaker 4: three jokes.

631
00:30:07,538 --> 00:30:10,258
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is a sick o thing, is yes?

632
00:30:10,298 --> 00:30:10,698
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?

633
00:30:10,698 --> 00:30:11,258
Speaker 4: Oh yeah?

634
00:30:11,418 --> 00:30:14,458
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, Calm down over there, Okay,

635
00:30:15,338 --> 00:30:18,018
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Drake may I know I

636
00:30:18,178 --> 00:30:19,978
Speaker 2: just said that he probably would have hit a sixty

637
00:30:20,018 --> 00:30:22,138
Speaker 2: five yard touchdown if it wasn't for the wind. That

638
00:30:22,258 --> 00:30:26,418
Speaker 2: probably sounds like a excuse me, a giant excuse uh.

639
00:30:27,018 --> 00:30:29,218
Speaker 2: I had all three of the turnovers in this game

640
00:30:29,458 --> 00:30:32,098
Speaker 2: at least partially on him, if not fully on him.

641
00:30:33,418 --> 00:30:36,058
Speaker 2: I think the first one is just obvious, right, I mean,

642
00:30:36,098 --> 00:30:36,418
Speaker 2: it's just.

643
00:30:36,458 --> 00:30:37,058
Speaker 4: A bad play.

644
00:30:37,418 --> 00:30:41,898
Speaker 2: It's a mac Jones esque interception just can't happen. The

645
00:30:41,978 --> 00:30:44,778
Speaker 2: fumble God to have a better internal clock and better

646
00:30:44,858 --> 00:30:47,898
Speaker 2: pocket awareness than that, especially because he starts on the

647
00:30:47,978 --> 00:30:50,218
Speaker 2: left side of the field when his eyes are on

648
00:30:50,298 --> 00:30:52,218
Speaker 2: the left side of the field, like he should be

649
00:30:52,258 --> 00:30:54,178
Speaker 2: able to see out of the corner of his eye

650
00:30:54,938 --> 00:30:57,618
Speaker 2: that arden Key is getting around Vederian low right, like

651
00:30:57,698 --> 00:31:00,418
Speaker 2: that should be in his peripheral vision and he should

652
00:31:00,458 --> 00:31:03,858
Speaker 2: be able to spot that happening. I do think he

653
00:31:04,018 --> 00:31:06,898
Speaker 2: was trying to underhand it to Jamichael Hasty, So the

654
00:31:07,058 --> 00:31:09,578
Speaker 2: underhand early on in the game that worked to Ramandra

655
00:31:09,658 --> 00:31:12,458
Speaker 2: Stevenson might have kind of give him a false sense

656
00:31:12,498 --> 00:31:14,738
Speaker 2: of security a little bit to try that sort of thing,

657
00:31:15,178 --> 00:31:17,258
Speaker 2: And so instead of, you know, getting two hands on

658
00:31:17,258 --> 00:31:20,858
Speaker 2: the football and protecting the football. He tried to lateral

659
00:31:20,978 --> 00:31:24,738
Speaker 2: it out to hasty wasn't the best decision. And then

660
00:31:24,778 --> 00:31:28,298
Speaker 2: obviously the picking in overtime too was an underthrown maybe

661
00:31:28,298 --> 00:31:31,258
Speaker 2: a little bit late on the pass as well. The

662
00:31:31,378 --> 00:31:34,898
Speaker 2: thing that I would say with Drake though, on top

663
00:31:34,938 --> 00:31:36,738
Speaker 2: of the fact that I think that he's on the hole,

664
00:31:37,138 --> 00:31:40,258
Speaker 2: I had him with like sixteen plus plays in this game,

665
00:31:40,298 --> 00:31:42,618
Speaker 2: which is a really high number, really good number.

666
00:31:43,178 --> 00:31:43,898
Speaker 4: I think on the hole.

667
00:31:43,938 --> 00:31:47,338
Speaker 2: He's playing very very well outside of the turnovers. But

668
00:31:47,458 --> 00:31:49,538
Speaker 2: what I see with Drake a lot right now, and

669
00:31:49,618 --> 00:31:52,218
Speaker 2: the scrambles I think backed this up. I thought all

670
00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:55,338
Speaker 2: of eight of his scrambles in this game were legitimate scrambles,

671
00:31:55,418 --> 00:31:57,538
Speaker 2: meaning he wasn't hit in the top of the drop

672
00:31:57,578 --> 00:32:01,658
Speaker 2: and leaving early or missing open receivers and running instead.

673
00:32:01,938 --> 00:32:04,738
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't the young quarterback stuff that sometimes you

674
00:32:04,858 --> 00:32:07,538
Speaker 2: hear about or you see about. What I'm seeing a

675
00:32:07,578 --> 00:32:10,338
Speaker 2: lot with Drake, and the numbers back this up. He's

676
00:32:10,538 --> 00:32:12,898
Speaker 2: one of the best quarterbacks in the league out of structure.

677
00:32:12,978 --> 00:32:15,458
Speaker 2: He's one of the best scrambling and running quarterbacks in

678
00:32:15,538 --> 00:32:18,498
Speaker 2: the league. Already like three and a half starts into

679
00:32:18,538 --> 00:32:22,298
Speaker 2: his NFL career, but right now they're way too reliant

680
00:32:22,538 --> 00:32:25,618
Speaker 2: on him being Superman. And when you force your young

681
00:32:25,738 --> 00:32:28,978
Speaker 2: quarterback to play like Superman and drop back to pass

682
00:32:29,058 --> 00:32:31,818
Speaker 2: fifty three times, then you're gonna have some negative plays

683
00:32:31,858 --> 00:32:33,738
Speaker 2: on top of the positive plays, and they're gonna be

684
00:32:33,818 --> 00:32:38,218
Speaker 2: turnovers and there's gonna be issues. So I bring into

685
00:32:38,218 --> 00:32:40,258
Speaker 2: a question a lot of things, and you know, the

686
00:32:40,338 --> 00:32:42,138
Speaker 2: scheme I think is one of them, Like I think

687
00:32:42,378 --> 00:32:46,178
Speaker 2: too much of the scheme right now is just like

688
00:32:47,378 --> 00:32:49,698
Speaker 2: you know, f it, Drake, go do something right, like

689
00:32:49,818 --> 00:32:52,058
Speaker 2: go go, go make a play kid, And I.

690
00:32:52,418 --> 00:32:55,698
Speaker 4: Think he's starting to internalize that, which is where you

691
00:32:55,778 --> 00:32:58,658
Speaker 4: get into this conversation of worrying about bad habits. Like yeah,

692
00:32:58,658 --> 00:33:05,018
Speaker 4: tweeted this after the game. Everything about Drake May's approach

693
00:33:05,138 --> 00:33:09,698
Speaker 4: right now screams an internal to me, screams an internal

694
00:33:09,818 --> 00:33:12,338
Speaker 4: dialogue of I guess I'll have to do it myself.

695
00:33:12,898 --> 00:33:15,058
Speaker 4: And I kind of understand why he feels that way.

696
00:33:15,498 --> 00:33:17,898
Speaker 4: You have receivers dropping balls left and right, the offensive

697
00:33:17,938 --> 00:33:20,338
Speaker 4: line can't block the play callings a little vanilla eight.

698
00:33:21,418 --> 00:33:23,458
Speaker 4: I sort of get why he feels like that and look,

699
00:33:23,818 --> 00:33:27,298
Speaker 4: you drafted the kid third overall, Like you do want

700
00:33:27,378 --> 00:33:30,218
Speaker 4: him to carry your offense, absolutely, but as a rookie

701
00:33:30,818 --> 00:33:33,498
Speaker 4: to do it to this extent, it's gonna create a

702
00:33:33,578 --> 00:33:37,138
Speaker 4: very volatile situation. And you've seen very volatile play. There's

703
00:33:37,178 --> 00:33:39,338
Speaker 4: been some incredibly high highs. But he has turned the

704
00:33:39,378 --> 00:33:41,498
Speaker 4: ball over six times in essentially three games.

705
00:33:41,658 --> 00:33:45,338
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he just has the highest turnover where the

706
00:33:45,418 --> 00:33:47,058
Speaker 2: play right in the NFL, right right, So like.

707
00:33:47,178 --> 00:33:52,098
Speaker 4: Look, long term, the help should be coming and we

708
00:33:52,178 --> 00:33:55,098
Speaker 4: can do DK Metcalf, T Higgins, Will Campbell, whatever we

709
00:33:55,218 --> 00:33:58,018
Speaker 4: do that to the cows come home. Those guys aren't

710
00:33:58,018 --> 00:34:00,418
Speaker 4: getting here for a couple more months at least, So

711
00:34:01,098 --> 00:34:03,778
Speaker 4: you to me right now, they need to find a way,

712
00:34:04,058 --> 00:34:06,418
Speaker 4: work with him to find a way. And this is

713
00:34:06,458 --> 00:34:08,937
Speaker 4: where we get into the Josh Allen of it all.

714
00:34:09,378 --> 00:34:11,938
Speaker 4: Where I get it. He's never gonna be a traditional

715
00:34:12,738 --> 00:34:14,857
Speaker 4: drop back, three step, hit the back foot, get it

716
00:34:14,978 --> 00:34:17,178
Speaker 4: out passer. Turnovers are always going to be a point

717
00:34:17,178 --> 00:34:18,937
Speaker 4: of his game, a part of his game. He's never

718
00:34:18,978 --> 00:34:21,817
Speaker 4: gonna play the cleanest quarterback game ever. But you live

719
00:34:21,858 --> 00:34:23,417
Speaker 4: with it because of some of the things he can

720
00:34:23,458 --> 00:34:28,098
Speaker 4: do out of structure. But you don't want him mentally

721
00:34:28,618 --> 00:34:31,857
Speaker 4: becoming so reliant on again, And I guess I'll just

722
00:34:31,938 --> 00:34:35,218
Speaker 4: have to do it myself, right, And is there a

723
00:34:35,378 --> 00:34:37,738
Speaker 4: way they can take some of the load off of

724
00:34:37,817 --> 00:34:41,818
Speaker 4: him with the way things exist right now, to just

725
00:34:41,938 --> 00:34:45,098
Speaker 4: get to the end of the year without again making

726
00:34:45,178 --> 00:34:48,178
Speaker 4: him do too much? At some point the offense is

727
00:34:48,218 --> 00:34:50,858
Speaker 4: gonna be built significantly around him, saysn't. He's saying, you

728
00:34:50,938 --> 00:34:53,138
Speaker 4: got it, you can't let the kid do anything, But

729
00:34:53,418 --> 00:34:55,178
Speaker 4: it's there's there's too much on the plate right now,

730
00:34:55,498 --> 00:34:56,058
Speaker 4: there's too much.

731
00:34:56,458 --> 00:34:58,098
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a great way of putting it, like,

732
00:34:58,138 --> 00:35:01,418
Speaker 2: how do we get through the next seven was it

733
00:35:01,738 --> 00:35:03,018
Speaker 2: nine games? Seven games?

734
00:35:03,178 --> 00:35:05,778
Speaker 4: Nine game played? Nine? They played nine? So eight eight games?

735
00:35:06,258 --> 00:35:06,817
Speaker 2: Bad at math?

736
00:35:07,298 --> 00:35:08,138
Speaker 4: How can we don't do math?

737
00:35:08,178 --> 00:35:08,218
Speaker 5: On?

738
00:35:08,458 --> 00:35:11,498
Speaker 2: How can we get through the next eight games with

739
00:35:11,778 --> 00:35:12,818
Speaker 2: him having Yeah.

740
00:35:13,178 --> 00:35:14,338
Speaker 4: I was gonna answer the question.

741
00:35:14,218 --> 00:35:19,098
Speaker 2: Oh, with him developing good habits and making plays, but

742
00:35:19,298 --> 00:35:22,498
Speaker 2: not having him default to playground mode so often.

743
00:35:23,498 --> 00:35:26,978
Speaker 4: One way, there's a couples. One way start running the football.

744
00:35:26,978 --> 00:35:30,778
Speaker 2: Well, start right, Like that's that's I've I feel like

745
00:35:30,858 --> 00:35:33,138
Speaker 2: that's something that they've always wanted to do. But that's like,

746
00:35:33,458 --> 00:35:35,018
Speaker 2: you know, well, easier said than done.

747
00:35:35,058 --> 00:35:37,857
Speaker 4: He's their leading rusher since he took over as the starter,

748
00:35:37,938 --> 00:35:39,738
Speaker 4: and he only played a quarter of one of those games.

749
00:35:39,978 --> 00:35:42,297
Speaker 4: Not only is he their leading rusher Evans since Week six,

750
00:35:43,058 --> 00:35:47,098
Speaker 4: he has more rushing yards than everybody else combined by

751
00:35:47,218 --> 00:35:51,258
Speaker 4: like fifty. Like part of it I think right now

752
00:35:51,618 --> 00:35:56,538
Speaker 4: is teams are just they're not They can key in

753
00:35:56,658 --> 00:35:59,058
Speaker 4: on him so much because there's no run game, and

754
00:35:59,178 --> 00:36:02,058
Speaker 4: that's only gonna get worse. I think the quickest way

755
00:36:02,098 --> 00:36:04,458
Speaker 4: out of this is to start establishing the run.

756
00:36:04,818 --> 00:36:07,498
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of those lines. I think my

757
00:36:07,818 --> 00:36:13,258
Speaker 2: biggest complaint right now with Van Pelt is that the

758
00:36:13,418 --> 00:36:17,458
Speaker 2: offense to me is way too We're going to force

759
00:36:17,618 --> 00:36:20,378
Speaker 2: Drake into our scheme versus we're going to cater the

760
00:36:20,418 --> 00:36:23,138
Speaker 2: scheme to Drake, and there's got to be some sort

761
00:36:23,178 --> 00:36:23,658
Speaker 2: of balance.

762
00:36:24,698 --> 00:36:25,337
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think.

763
00:36:25,498 --> 00:36:27,338
Speaker 2: I'm not one of these people that thinks that should

764
00:36:27,338 --> 00:36:29,738
Speaker 2: be one hundred percent just everything that Drake wants to

765
00:36:29,818 --> 00:36:33,698
Speaker 2: do or that's best for Drake, because way I look

766
00:36:33,738 --> 00:36:37,098
Speaker 2: at it, and I think this is gonna I don't

767
00:36:37,138 --> 00:36:40,658
Speaker 2: know one hundred but I'm curious about how this goes

768
00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:44,138
Speaker 2: with Jayden Daniels because I think right now, the scheme

769
00:36:44,218 --> 00:36:47,378
Speaker 2: that Cliff Kingsbury is running in Washington for Jaden Daniels

770
00:36:47,818 --> 00:36:52,418
Speaker 2: is very much basically just LSU's offense. Like they're basically

771
00:36:52,538 --> 00:36:57,218
Speaker 2: just running LSU's offense at a pro level. And more

772
00:36:57,298 --> 00:37:00,218
Speaker 2: times than not, maybe with Jayden Daniels it will just

773
00:37:00,338 --> 00:37:03,538
Speaker 2: won't happen and he just transcends this. But more times

774
00:37:03,578 --> 00:37:05,858
Speaker 2: than not, the league catches up to that kind of thing, right,

775
00:37:05,938 --> 00:37:08,378
Speaker 2: you know, they'll catch up to it. So eventually you

776
00:37:08,578 --> 00:37:11,898
Speaker 2: have to play a traditional quarterback, like you have to

777
00:37:11,898 --> 00:37:14,618
Speaker 2: play drop back quarterback, and it's not all gonna be

778
00:37:14,738 --> 00:37:16,778
Speaker 2: bells and whistles, and it's not all gonna be college

779
00:37:16,818 --> 00:37:20,058
Speaker 2: offense and RPO and zone read and all that kind

780
00:37:20,098 --> 00:37:22,698
Speaker 2: of stuff. With that being said, it's it would be

781
00:37:22,818 --> 00:37:26,378
Speaker 2: nice to dabble in that kind of thing. And especially

782
00:37:26,978 --> 00:37:30,338
Speaker 2: because their traditional run games going nowhere, and therefore, i

783
00:37:30,458 --> 00:37:32,778
Speaker 2: as Van Pelt told us today, their play action passing

784
00:37:32,818 --> 00:37:35,738
Speaker 2: game is going nowhere. The Patriots, in my mind, need

785
00:37:35,818 --> 00:37:38,458
Speaker 2: to be more creative on first and second down, and

786
00:37:39,218 --> 00:37:42,378
Speaker 2: the way to be creative, if you ask me, and

787
00:37:42,658 --> 00:37:44,777
Speaker 2: I've kind of flip flopped on this because I sort

788
00:37:44,818 --> 00:37:47,898
Speaker 2: of heard last week what Van Pelt was saying about

789
00:37:48,538 --> 00:37:52,698
Speaker 2: incorporating more design runs for Drake May in the offense

790
00:37:53,058 --> 00:37:56,018
Speaker 2: and how it was gonna leave him vulnerable to even

791
00:37:56,098 --> 00:37:59,818
Speaker 2: more body blows than what he's already being susceptible to.

792
00:38:00,538 --> 00:38:04,018
Speaker 2: But I think you almost have to to create some

793
00:38:04,138 --> 00:38:06,938
Speaker 2: more easy offense on first and second down. And let's

794
00:38:06,978 --> 00:38:09,698
Speaker 2: not lose sight of the fact that just because he

795
00:38:09,898 --> 00:38:12,738
Speaker 2: has the option to run on his zone read or

796
00:38:12,818 --> 00:38:16,297
Speaker 2: the option to run on an RPO doesn't necessarily mean

797
00:38:16,378 --> 00:38:19,018
Speaker 2: he has to run. And a lot of it is

798
00:38:19,178 --> 00:38:21,738
Speaker 2: just eye candy or just sort of gravity for the

799
00:38:21,818 --> 00:38:24,858
Speaker 2: defense that if you're running a zone read, like you

800
00:38:25,098 --> 00:38:28,578
Speaker 2: have to respect the backside with the quarterback, Like you

801
00:38:28,658 --> 00:38:30,978
Speaker 2: can't just crash down on the running back because he

802
00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:34,018
Speaker 2: has a threat there to keep it. Or maybe there's

803
00:38:34,098 --> 00:38:37,058
Speaker 2: like a slant coming into the window for a linebacker

804
00:38:37,138 --> 00:38:39,098
Speaker 2: and you have to make that decision. Am I going

805
00:38:39,178 --> 00:38:41,338
Speaker 2: to crash into the hole and into the line of

806
00:38:41,378 --> 00:38:43,938
Speaker 2: scrimmage here or am I gonna play the pass? And

807
00:38:44,098 --> 00:38:48,098
Speaker 2: those types of things just open up space for whether

808
00:38:48,178 --> 00:38:50,458
Speaker 2: it's a throw, a pass, a run for the quarterback

809
00:38:50,538 --> 00:38:53,578
Speaker 2: or run for the running back. So seeing more of

810
00:38:53,658 --> 00:38:56,138
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff I think is almost a must

811
00:38:56,258 --> 00:38:59,938
Speaker 2: because their offense right now, in my mind, is too

812
00:39:00,098 --> 00:39:03,258
Speaker 2: drop back centric, and it's too difficult for them to

813
00:39:03,378 --> 00:39:07,018
Speaker 2: execute consistently, not just for Drake, but also for the

814
00:39:07,058 --> 00:39:09,698
Speaker 2: pieces around it, Like you need receivers to run good

815
00:39:09,778 --> 00:39:13,058
Speaker 2: routes and get open, and spacing and timing and rhythm

816
00:39:13,178 --> 00:39:16,218
Speaker 2: and offensive line to pass protect, and like all these

817
00:39:16,298 --> 00:39:18,938
Speaker 2: things need to marry together for them to execute plays

818
00:39:19,018 --> 00:39:21,818
Speaker 2: after play after play after play. And there's just a

819
00:39:21,938 --> 00:39:25,258
Speaker 2: lot on Drake's shoulders to make that happen right now.

820
00:39:25,338 --> 00:39:28,418
Speaker 2: And that's why every you know, ten five, I think

821
00:39:28,418 --> 00:39:31,418
Speaker 2: it's five point seven percent of the time an overworthy play,

822
00:39:31,578 --> 00:39:35,378
Speaker 2: which is a high number. So I love in the

823
00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:38,458
Speaker 2: past what we've seen, you know, with these types of quarterbacks.

824
00:39:39,338 --> 00:39:43,018
Speaker 2: I call him Philly style RPOs. I love the Eagles

825
00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:45,458
Speaker 2: RPO package. I think it's one of the best the

826
00:39:45,538 --> 00:39:49,138
Speaker 2: league has ever seen. In Philly style RPOs, there are

827
00:39:49,218 --> 00:39:52,618
Speaker 2: three options. He can hand the ball off, he can

828
00:39:52,698 --> 00:39:54,938
Speaker 2: run it himself, or he can throw it. It's the

829
00:39:55,098 --> 00:39:58,618
Speaker 2: modern day triple options. Yeah, and it's almost like three.

830
00:40:00,098 --> 00:40:03,018
Speaker 2: It's it's almost like two separate plays in one where

831
00:40:03,218 --> 00:40:06,098
Speaker 2: the inside handoff is kind of the first play this

832
00:40:06,338 --> 00:40:08,858
Speaker 2: and then the second play is run or pass for

833
00:40:08,938 --> 00:40:11,698
Speaker 2: the quarterback once he decides to keep the football and

834
00:40:11,778 --> 00:40:13,858
Speaker 2: he sort of gets on the edge and has some space.

835
00:40:14,338 --> 00:40:16,498
Speaker 2: We've seen Jalen Hurts really be the best at it,

836
00:40:16,618 --> 00:40:19,618
Speaker 2: but other teams have run this with mobile quarterbacks, especially

837
00:40:19,738 --> 00:40:22,658
Speaker 2: young ones. You know, Anthony Richardson's like those types.

838
00:40:22,498 --> 00:40:24,298
Speaker 4: Of it's all over college football.

839
00:40:24,338 --> 00:40:28,058
Speaker 2: This is so you know, you give him like it's

840
00:40:28,138 --> 00:40:30,858
Speaker 2: like you know, usually the Eagles like to run like

841
00:40:31,458 --> 00:40:34,297
Speaker 2: curl flat or you know, stick or whatever, where it's

842
00:40:34,458 --> 00:40:36,937
Speaker 2: just like a slant you know, or a curl route

843
00:40:37,298 --> 00:40:39,938
Speaker 2: right with a little flat attached to it on the

844
00:40:40,018 --> 00:40:42,298
Speaker 2: back side of the play, and then he reads the

845
00:40:42,378 --> 00:40:45,138
Speaker 2: defender you know, on that side of the field to

846
00:40:45,698 --> 00:40:47,618
Speaker 2: determine whether he's going to give it to the back

847
00:40:47,778 --> 00:40:49,418
Speaker 2: or he's going to keep it, and then he has

848
00:40:49,458 --> 00:40:51,778
Speaker 2: all sorts of options, you know, all over the place.

849
00:40:52,378 --> 00:40:56,018
Speaker 2: That's not a traditional West Coast offense thing like that's

850
00:40:56,058 --> 00:41:01,258
Speaker 2: not a Shanahan Tree Stefanski, you know, McVeigh laflor, Like,

851
00:41:01,338 --> 00:41:03,978
Speaker 2: they don't really run that kind of stuff conventionally. But

852
00:41:04,578 --> 00:41:08,018
Speaker 2: when you can't conventionally run the football, this is the

853
00:41:08,058 --> 00:41:10,818
Speaker 2: way that you sort of unlock your early down offense.

854
00:41:11,298 --> 00:41:13,818
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's something that Drake's done in

855
00:41:13,858 --> 00:41:16,098
Speaker 2: the past at North Carolina. I think it's something that

856
00:41:16,138 --> 00:41:19,058
Speaker 2: he'd be comfortable with doing. And it also allows him

857
00:41:19,098 --> 00:41:20,938
Speaker 2: to just be an athlete out there, and it sort

858
00:41:20,938 --> 00:41:24,058
Speaker 2: of simplifies reads for him and things like that. I'm

859
00:41:24,098 --> 00:41:26,938
Speaker 2: not saying that has to be their entire early down offense,

860
00:41:27,498 --> 00:41:30,978
Speaker 2: but I definitely think that would help their early down offense.

861
00:41:31,058 --> 00:41:33,098
Speaker 2: And and then you save the good drop back plays

862
00:41:33,138 --> 00:41:35,978
Speaker 2: for third down and and maybe mitigate how often you

863
00:41:36,138 --> 00:41:38,897
Speaker 2: have to actually go to your drop back game because

864
00:41:38,938 --> 00:41:41,898
Speaker 2: right now, to me, it's not just that they're passing

865
00:41:41,938 --> 00:41:44,858
Speaker 2: a lot, it's that they're dropping back a lot. Like

866
00:41:44,938 --> 00:41:48,658
Speaker 2: there's no play action, there's no bells and whistles to

867
00:41:48,738 --> 00:41:52,618
Speaker 2: what they're dropping in emotion of screen. Right it's all

868
00:41:52,898 --> 00:41:56,938
Speaker 2: just Drake to id coverage, read it out receivers to

869
00:41:57,018 --> 00:42:00,777
Speaker 2: get open blockers to block like, it's all just on execution. Then,

870
00:42:00,818 --> 00:42:02,658
Speaker 2: at that point, and we know that they have a

871
00:42:02,778 --> 00:42:06,698
Speaker 2: talent gap disadvantage a lot of weeks that's said, all right, Uh,

872
00:42:07,538 --> 00:42:09,098
Speaker 2: is there anything else on Drake that I wanted to

873
00:42:09,138 --> 00:42:09,418
Speaker 2: get to.

874
00:42:10,338 --> 00:42:13,578
Speaker 4: I say again, like I'll give the other side of it,

875
00:42:13,698 --> 00:42:16,098
Speaker 4: because I know how you view them, Like the turnovers

876
00:42:16,178 --> 00:42:18,698
Speaker 4: do need to come down, Yeah, the turnovers do.

877
00:42:19,018 --> 00:42:21,018
Speaker 2: But this to me, like that's why I'm talking about

878
00:42:21,058 --> 00:42:24,578
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff because I think the turnovers are

879
00:42:24,858 --> 00:42:27,777
Speaker 2: happening at such a high volume because of the high

880
00:42:27,898 --> 00:42:30,098
Speaker 2: volume of throws that he's making. I get that, but

881
00:42:30,218 --> 00:42:32,378
Speaker 2: but the fumbles things like that, like this is a

882
00:42:32,418 --> 00:42:34,178
Speaker 2: Bears defense that does turn the ball over in the

883
00:42:34,218 --> 00:42:36,777
Speaker 2: mount This would be a good week for him to show.

884
00:42:37,378 --> 00:42:39,058
Speaker 4: And because I see people say, how can you say

885
00:42:39,058 --> 00:42:40,818
Speaker 4: he played well? He turned the ball over three times?

886
00:42:41,258 --> 00:42:44,178
Speaker 4: And this goes back to what I said at the beginning,

887
00:42:44,298 --> 00:42:48,538
Speaker 4: I'm not his plays surpassed my expectations a little bit.

888
00:42:48,538 --> 00:42:49,618
Speaker 4: I thought there'd be a little bit more of a

889
00:42:49,698 --> 00:42:51,258
Speaker 4: learning curve than this. But I expected you're going to

890
00:42:51,298 --> 00:42:53,858
Speaker 4: see some really impressive, high level, big time throws and

891
00:42:53,898 --> 00:42:56,178
Speaker 4: you're gonna see some turnovers. If he's still turning the

892
00:42:56,218 --> 00:42:59,658
Speaker 4: ball over like this in January, I'm gonna be pretty worried.

893
00:42:59,898 --> 00:43:02,817
Speaker 4: Yeah he's still turn next year, just even next year,

894
00:43:03,058 --> 00:43:04,938
Speaker 4: I think, just because of the supporting, because of the talent.

895
00:43:05,098 --> 00:43:07,578
Speaker 4: But like the way he's turning the ball over is

896
00:43:07,618 --> 00:43:09,258
Speaker 4: not sustainable. It me be clear about it.

897
00:43:09,418 --> 00:43:11,538
Speaker 2: I would say the reason why they're losing games is

898
00:43:11,578 --> 00:43:12,298
Speaker 2: because he's turned.

899
00:43:12,378 --> 00:43:16,338
Speaker 4: Because yeah, I'm with doing that. It's not sustainable. But

900
00:43:16,818 --> 00:43:19,578
Speaker 4: he's four starts into his career. There were no expectations

901
00:43:19,618 --> 00:43:22,178
Speaker 4: of them making the Super Bowls here, but you gotta

902
00:43:22,218 --> 00:43:24,578
Speaker 4: see signs of improvement. You opened up by talking about, well,

903
00:43:24,618 --> 00:43:27,738
Speaker 4: what was this season really about? Do they a franchise quarterback?

904
00:43:28,058 --> 00:43:30,258
Speaker 4: I would add to that as a whole, especially from

905
00:43:30,298 --> 00:43:34,578
Speaker 4: the quarterback and the coaching staff, the quarterback, the people

906
00:43:34,698 --> 00:43:37,338
Speaker 4: you want to be here beyond this year. So you

907
00:43:37,378 --> 00:43:39,818
Speaker 4: can also throw in guys like Christian Zales. Yeah, you

908
00:43:39,898 --> 00:43:43,498
Speaker 4: can throw in a guy like like uh White, the

909
00:43:43,578 --> 00:43:46,658
Speaker 4: young receivers even like even the guys that aren't playing

910
00:43:46,698 --> 00:43:48,978
Speaker 4: well but ideally are part of this core moving forward.

911
00:43:50,258 --> 00:43:51,978
Speaker 4: And Alex van Pelt is a big part of this too.

912
00:43:52,658 --> 00:43:55,498
Speaker 4: Are you better in December and January than you were

913
00:43:55,538 --> 00:43:57,857
Speaker 4: in September? That doesn't mean it has to look great,

914
00:43:58,178 --> 00:44:00,618
Speaker 4: but is it? And the growth isn't gonna be linear.

915
00:44:00,738 --> 00:44:02,978
Speaker 4: Maybe two steps forward, one step back, but like, at

916
00:44:02,978 --> 00:44:04,818
Speaker 4: the end of the day, are they better at the

917
00:44:04,898 --> 00:44:06,658
Speaker 4: end of the year than they are now. So Drake

918
00:44:06,738 --> 00:44:09,338
Speaker 4: being where he is right now, the turnovers are concerning,

919
00:44:09,418 --> 00:44:12,498
Speaker 4: but fine, cut them down. Same thing for Alex man Pelt.

920
00:44:12,858 --> 00:44:16,898
Speaker 4: I do understand to an extent if the offense is

921
00:44:16,978 --> 00:44:18,898
Speaker 4: a little more stripped down at this point because you're

922
00:44:18,898 --> 00:44:21,658
Speaker 4: trying to ease the kid in. Yeah, you can't run

923
00:44:21,698 --> 00:44:24,018
Speaker 4: a striped down offense for twelve games, right, so it's

924
00:44:24,098 --> 00:44:26,778
Speaker 4: been four so far. I don't as I've seen some

925
00:44:26,818 --> 00:44:28,378
Speaker 4: people talk about the play calling, and you just kind

926
00:44:28,418 --> 00:44:31,178
Speaker 4: of talked about it. If the planner early was we're

927
00:44:31,218 --> 00:44:33,538
Speaker 4: gonna keep it pretty black and white for him through

928
00:44:33,578 --> 00:44:36,578
Speaker 4: the first month, just to get him going. I understand that.

929
00:44:36,658 --> 00:44:38,818
Speaker 4: I know it's frustrated to watch. I understand that. I

930
00:44:38,898 --> 00:44:41,858
Speaker 4: don't think he like, Okay, he's checked the box for

931
00:44:41,978 --> 00:44:45,058
Speaker 4: the black and white stuff. Let's start mixing in some color, right,

932
00:44:45,178 --> 00:44:47,698
Speaker 4: Let's let's let's let's get the So my question is

933
00:44:47,858 --> 00:44:50,658
Speaker 4: I agree with you like my it's I feel like,

934
00:44:50,818 --> 00:44:52,938
Speaker 4: and I'm not trying to pick on anybody, but like,

935
00:44:53,018 --> 00:44:55,338
Speaker 4: I feel like some people harp way too much on

936
00:44:55,418 --> 00:44:58,898
Speaker 4: the actual sequencing of play calls, Like I think that's important.

937
00:44:59,018 --> 00:45:01,258
Speaker 2: Oh, he like runs the ball too much on first down,

938
00:45:01,378 --> 00:45:05,058
Speaker 2: or my bigger problem with Van Pelt right now is

939
00:45:05,178 --> 00:45:08,058
Speaker 2: play design, right, which are two different things, like what

940
00:45:08,178 --> 00:45:11,458
Speaker 2: are the actual designs or the concepts that you're running

941
00:45:12,138 --> 00:45:16,178
Speaker 2: in this offense and for this offense, because I'll just

942
00:45:16,258 --> 00:45:19,018
Speaker 2: give you another example that's not even Drake related, like

943
00:45:19,098 --> 00:45:21,898
Speaker 2: they're running a ton of outside zone still, yeah, and

944
00:45:21,978 --> 00:45:23,937
Speaker 2: I just don't think they have the horses up front,

945
00:45:24,098 --> 00:45:25,858
Speaker 2: or I don't really think that it fits for ma

946
00:45:25,898 --> 00:45:29,417
Speaker 2: Andre Stevenson all that well to be so outside zone.

947
00:45:29,578 --> 00:45:32,058
Speaker 4: So just let me see it develop, like, let me

948
00:45:32,178 --> 00:45:34,458
Speaker 4: see it progressively get better as the year goes on.

949
00:45:34,578 --> 00:45:36,738
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I'm looking for here. And you know,

950
00:45:36,818 --> 00:45:38,138
Speaker 4: it's a good week to start it. You know, he

951
00:45:38,258 --> 00:45:40,818
Speaker 4: had the first two starts. Are they gonna start ramping up?

952
00:45:40,938 --> 00:45:42,258
Speaker 4: He gets hurt, he didn't have a full week of

953
00:45:42,338 --> 00:45:46,498
Speaker 4: practice last week. Okay, Like he's good, And it'd be

954
00:45:46,538 --> 00:45:49,218
Speaker 4: great if I could say they have an offensive line set. Unfortunately,

955
00:45:49,258 --> 00:45:50,418
Speaker 4: we might not be able to say that.

956
00:45:50,698 --> 00:45:57,698
Speaker 2: He is Van Pelt capable of designing an offense that

957
00:45:57,938 --> 00:46:00,018
Speaker 2: factors in Drake's mobility, because.

958
00:45:59,778 --> 00:46:01,578
Speaker 4: It's just in just evolving the offense as a whole.

959
00:46:01,698 --> 00:46:05,018
Speaker 2: Yeah, because right now I feel like Drake's mobility is

960
00:46:05,018 --> 00:46:08,337
Speaker 2: all out of structure, right it's all scrambles on drop back,

961
00:46:08,898 --> 00:46:11,898
Speaker 2: And the problem with that is that it's not really

962
00:46:13,098 --> 00:46:15,618
Speaker 2: yet and maybe it will in terms of game plan

963
00:46:15,738 --> 00:46:17,538
Speaker 2: and like now we have to rush him differently, or we.

964
00:46:17,618 --> 00:46:20,458
Speaker 4: Have to spy him or aren't spying yea, or even

965
00:46:20,458 --> 00:46:21,458
Speaker 4: already that that's.

966
00:46:21,338 --> 00:46:26,018
Speaker 2: A factor, but it's not building his mobility into the offense.

967
00:46:26,658 --> 00:46:29,338
Speaker 2: Like building his mobility into the offense is the stuff

968
00:46:29,338 --> 00:46:31,658
Speaker 2: that I was just talking about with Philly or what

969
00:46:31,778 --> 00:46:35,298
Speaker 2: the Washington commanders are doing with Jayden Daniels. That's using

970
00:46:35,898 --> 00:46:39,618
Speaker 2: his mobility as like a trump card, no pun intended, right,

971
00:46:40,098 --> 00:46:41,817
Speaker 2: Like that's that ability there.

972
00:46:41,898 --> 00:46:43,498
Speaker 4: And like I said last week, I agree with the

973
00:46:43,578 --> 00:46:46,538
Speaker 4: general consensus of we don't want to overrun him because

974
00:46:46,538 --> 00:46:49,578
Speaker 4: we don't want the physical toll. Like yeah, I'm I'm

975
00:46:49,698 --> 00:46:52,778
Speaker 4: all for airing on the side of run him not

976
00:46:53,018 --> 00:46:56,178
Speaker 4: enough first, run him too much. But they have some

977
00:46:56,378 --> 00:46:59,738
Speaker 4: room before they even get to like they're not even

978
00:46:59,898 --> 00:47:01,658
Speaker 4: close I think to that line right now, they can

979
00:47:01,698 --> 00:47:03,337
Speaker 4: afford to get a little closer to that line.

980
00:47:03,418 --> 00:47:06,058
Speaker 2: I think he'd run less, Like I really do, because

981
00:47:06,698 --> 00:47:09,898
Speaker 2: I don't think that it would always be it. You

982
00:47:10,138 --> 00:47:11,897
Speaker 2: think it's own read and you think of like Lamar

983
00:47:12,058 --> 00:47:13,898
Speaker 2: Jackson running the ball like in a game ten to

984
00:47:13,938 --> 00:47:16,458
Speaker 2: fifteen times, like in a playoff game or something like that,

985
00:47:17,018 --> 00:47:19,138
Speaker 2: But I don't think that would necessarily be the case.

986
00:47:19,178 --> 00:47:22,858
Speaker 2: It's more just threatening the defense and making the defense

987
00:47:22,978 --> 00:47:26,738
Speaker 2: respect the fact that Drake Mays has the athleticism to

988
00:47:27,138 --> 00:47:29,378
Speaker 2: to make you pay on a run like that, and

989
00:47:29,698 --> 00:47:31,978
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to. Like last week, I watched the

990
00:47:32,098 --> 00:47:35,778
Speaker 2: Cardinals Bears game right on film. The Cardinals ran for

991
00:47:35,858 --> 00:47:39,018
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirteen yards against this Bard's defense, who

992
00:47:39,378 --> 00:47:42,018
Speaker 2: are terrible against the run, which we'll get to later

993
00:47:42,138 --> 00:47:44,338
Speaker 2: in the show. But they ran for two hundred and

994
00:47:44,418 --> 00:47:46,858
Speaker 2: thirteen yards on the ground. We want to guess how

995
00:47:46,898 --> 00:47:50,698
Speaker 2: many of them were by Kyler Murray? A lot six

996
00:47:51,738 --> 00:47:53,058
Speaker 2: oh six.

997
00:47:53,298 --> 00:47:54,498
Speaker 4: Yes, So you should be able to run the ball

998
00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:54,857
Speaker 4: this week.

999
00:47:55,178 --> 00:47:58,138
Speaker 2: So Kyler Murray ran for six yards in the entire game.

1000
00:47:59,338 --> 00:48:03,258
Speaker 2: But Kyler Murray's legs are factors on these plays that

1001
00:48:03,298 --> 00:48:05,898
Speaker 2: they're running, right, Like his threat of being able to

1002
00:48:05,978 --> 00:48:08,498
Speaker 2: keep the football is a factor, but he's not actually

1003
00:48:08,578 --> 00:48:11,818
Speaker 2: going out there and literally keeping the football, So I

1004
00:48:11,898 --> 00:48:16,218
Speaker 2: think that that's big and it will help him, I believe,

1005
00:48:16,298 --> 00:48:18,938
Speaker 2: cut down on turnovers and cut down on some of

1006
00:48:18,978 --> 00:48:21,498
Speaker 2: the mistakes because it's a different type of offense, right

1007
00:48:21,538 --> 00:48:24,658
Speaker 2: It's an unconventional type of offense. I just think their

1008
00:48:24,738 --> 00:48:28,618
Speaker 2: offense is too old school right now for what they have.

1009
00:48:28,978 --> 00:48:31,058
Speaker 2: Personnel wise, you got it, there's got to be some

1010
00:48:31,178 --> 00:48:34,058
Speaker 2: more creativity and some more bells and whistles to what

1011
00:48:34,178 --> 00:48:35,978
Speaker 2: they're doing, and there just.

1012
00:48:36,058 --> 00:48:36,578
Speaker 4: Isn't right now.

1013
00:48:36,618 --> 00:48:38,778
Speaker 2: And you have a young quarterback as now trying to

1014
00:48:38,818 --> 00:48:42,178
Speaker 2: read through progressions and id coverage and keep himself protected

1015
00:48:42,338 --> 00:48:44,698
Speaker 2: and all these different types of things. I don't blame

1016
00:48:44,818 --> 00:48:47,538
Speaker 2: him for just defaulting to running on some of these

1017
00:48:47,618 --> 00:48:50,978
Speaker 2: plays because it's like nobody's open the line, I got

1018
00:48:51,138 --> 00:48:53,258
Speaker 2: pressure coming off the left side, Like what else am

1019
00:48:53,298 --> 00:48:53,938
Speaker 2: I gonna do here?

1020
00:48:54,178 --> 00:48:55,058
Speaker 4: Like I'm just gonna run?

1021
00:48:55,658 --> 00:48:57,817
Speaker 2: And I get where his head is at with all

1022
00:48:57,898 --> 00:49:02,498
Speaker 2: of that, and I think managing it almost helps, Like

1023
00:49:02,578 --> 00:49:06,258
Speaker 2: I think incorporating it into the offense almost helps him

1024
00:49:06,298 --> 00:49:08,138
Speaker 2: manage scrambling, Like, well.

1025
00:49:08,058 --> 00:49:09,498
Speaker 4: How it makes sense? Do it less?

1026
00:49:10,138 --> 00:49:12,018
Speaker 2: The last thing I want to say about Drake May

1027
00:49:12,298 --> 00:49:13,818
Speaker 2: and then we can do three up, three down and

1028
00:49:13,898 --> 00:49:17,378
Speaker 2: open up the phone lines and the emails. The big

1029
00:49:17,458 --> 00:49:20,178
Speaker 2: thing that I was really impressed with and have been

1030
00:49:20,218 --> 00:49:25,857
Speaker 2: impressed with throughout is his ability right now to throw

1031
00:49:25,978 --> 00:49:28,578
Speaker 2: in in the pocket is better maybe that I expect.

1032
00:49:28,658 --> 00:49:31,738
Speaker 2: This might be the one area where I'm actually I

1033
00:49:31,858 --> 00:49:37,058
Speaker 2: think that was maybe exceeding expectations. I would say below expect.

1034
00:49:37,178 --> 00:49:38,938
Speaker 2: I did not expect him to turn the ball over

1035
00:49:39,178 --> 00:49:43,098
Speaker 2: this much. He didn't play like this in college.

1036
00:49:44,258 --> 00:49:44,618
Speaker 4: Anymore.

1037
00:49:44,698 --> 00:49:45,658
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.

1038
00:49:46,018 --> 00:49:48,777
Speaker 4: He's in the AFC, so it's close. But that's fair.

1039
00:49:49,298 --> 00:49:49,938
Speaker 4: That's the bills.

1040
00:49:50,258 --> 00:49:52,178
Speaker 2: But you know, in terms of the one thing that

1041
00:49:52,178 --> 00:49:54,618
Speaker 2: I think might be a little bit better than expected

1042
00:49:54,778 --> 00:49:57,778
Speaker 2: is you know, just some of the completions for example

1043
00:49:57,818 --> 00:50:00,418
Speaker 2: to Hunter Henry in this game, where like they bring

1044
00:50:00,538 --> 00:50:03,338
Speaker 2: pressure and he just knows exactly where he's going with

1045
00:50:03,418 --> 00:50:06,018
Speaker 2: the football to beat pressure. You know, sighted just hot

1046
00:50:06,098 --> 00:50:09,018
Speaker 2: wrote boom ball is out like top of the drop

1047
00:50:09,538 --> 00:50:14,258
Speaker 2: on time, really iding you know, pressure and rotation really well.

1048
00:50:14,858 --> 00:50:17,658
Speaker 2: That type of stuff is is is pretty next level

1049
00:50:17,938 --> 00:50:21,178
Speaker 2: for a young quarterback to be doing that kind of

1050
00:50:21,218 --> 00:50:24,738
Speaker 2: stuff already is really impressive. The fourth down throw it

1051
00:50:25,338 --> 00:50:26,938
Speaker 2: the gotta have it for it down late in the

1052
00:50:26,978 --> 00:50:31,138
Speaker 2: game to Hunter Henry, Like, that's conventional from the p offense.

1053
00:50:31,218 --> 00:50:33,978
Speaker 2: That's not the last play of the fourth quarter right

1054
00:50:33,978 --> 00:50:36,897
Speaker 2: where he's running around like a crazy person. That that's

1055
00:50:37,378 --> 00:50:39,418
Speaker 2: a really good, nice conventional player. I thought he made

1056
00:50:39,458 --> 00:50:42,738
Speaker 2: a really great throw, not the crossing route, not the

1057
00:50:43,138 --> 00:50:45,938
Speaker 2: highlight throw, but the one to pop Douglas on the

1058
00:50:45,978 --> 00:50:48,098
Speaker 2: little out out of empty where he kind of dropped

1059
00:50:48,098 --> 00:50:49,778
Speaker 2: the arm angle a little bit and just sort of

1060
00:50:49,818 --> 00:50:50,857
Speaker 2: put it out there for him.

1061
00:50:51,178 --> 00:50:52,258
Speaker 4: A really nice throw.

1062
00:50:52,338 --> 00:50:55,298
Speaker 2: Like those are the conventional offense types of throws that

1063
00:50:55,458 --> 00:50:58,578
Speaker 2: give you a lot of positive vibes about Drake. All right,

1064
00:50:58,858 --> 00:50:59,578
Speaker 2: did you do three up?

1065
00:50:59,618 --> 00:51:01,018
Speaker 4: Three down? I did two and four?

1066
00:51:01,098 --> 00:51:03,658
Speaker 2: But yes, you did it though I did it, all right,

1067
00:51:03,818 --> 00:51:04,018
Speaker 2: you go.

1068
00:51:04,818 --> 00:51:06,378
Speaker 4: I've been doing it like I do it every week.

1069
00:51:06,378 --> 00:51:09,418
Speaker 4: I don't know why this is a thing. First up,

1070
00:51:09,858 --> 00:51:13,538
Speaker 4: it's gonna sound weird. Ramandre Stevenson, outside of what he

1071
00:51:13,778 --> 00:51:17,818
Speaker 4: like the running game, is struggling as a whole again.

1072
00:51:17,898 --> 00:51:21,338
Speaker 4: He is I think seventy six yards total in the

1073
00:51:21,418 --> 00:51:26,098
Speaker 4: last three weeks, eighty three before contact or eighty three

1074
00:51:26,178 --> 00:51:29,777
Speaker 4: after contact. Yeah, so we're still on this thing where

1075
00:51:31,178 --> 00:51:35,418
Speaker 4: he's getting hit behind the line of scrimmage regularly. I

1076
00:51:35,418 --> 00:51:37,058
Speaker 4: think he's doing as much as he can. But when

1077
00:51:37,098 --> 00:51:39,458
Speaker 4: you look at what he did catching the football, when

1078
00:51:39,498 --> 00:51:41,178
Speaker 4: you look at what he did as a pass protector,

1079
00:51:41,498 --> 00:51:43,458
Speaker 4: Drake had that one scramble late. Was it on the

1080
00:51:43,538 --> 00:51:46,858
Speaker 4: final drive of regulation or an overtime where it should

1081
00:51:46,858 --> 00:51:49,337
Speaker 4: have been like a three or four yard scramble, gets

1082
00:51:49,338 --> 00:51:51,378
Speaker 4: out in front, set a nice block in overtime and

1083
00:51:51,458 --> 00:51:53,377
Speaker 4: it ends up being like I think, a fifteen yard gain.

1084
00:51:54,218 --> 00:51:57,378
Speaker 4: Vermondra Stevens his usage rates up over fifty percent, Like

1085
00:51:57,738 --> 00:52:00,458
Speaker 4: he's still doing a ton for them, And I know

1086
00:52:00,498 --> 00:52:02,058
Speaker 4: people are gonna roll their eyes. How are you having

1087
00:52:02,058 --> 00:52:04,258
Speaker 4: a running back when they can't run the ball. They

1088
00:52:04,338 --> 00:52:06,338
Speaker 4: need to run the football better. I don't if we

1089
00:52:06,418 --> 00:52:09,418
Speaker 4: were to list the biggest issues with their inability to

1090
00:52:09,498 --> 00:52:11,818
Speaker 4: run the ball, I don't know that ramondra Stevenson in

1091
00:52:11,858 --> 00:52:14,258
Speaker 4: the top three right now. Like he's doing his part,

1092
00:52:14,538 --> 00:52:17,098
Speaker 4: He's doing as much as he can. He's finding other

1093
00:52:17,138 --> 00:52:21,018
Speaker 4: ways to contribute. He was good for them in this game. Yeah.

1094
00:52:21,138 --> 00:52:21,618
Speaker 4: I agree.

1095
00:52:21,978 --> 00:52:25,218
Speaker 2: The play the underhand flip. We talked about it deefly earlier.

1096
00:52:25,858 --> 00:52:29,458
Speaker 2: That's just a great individual play by Ramondre Stevenson too,

1097
00:52:29,578 --> 00:52:31,777
Speaker 2: Like it's a great play by Drake obviously as well,

1098
00:52:32,298 --> 00:52:34,978
Speaker 2: but he takes out the blitzing linebacker, chops down. The

1099
00:52:35,018 --> 00:52:39,018
Speaker 2: blitzing linebacker gets back up off the ground after chopping

1100
00:52:39,058 --> 00:52:42,138
Speaker 2: the guy down, makes himself available to the quarterback and

1101
00:52:42,338 --> 00:52:44,258
Speaker 2: is the outlet for Drake may on the play with

1102
00:52:44,658 --> 00:52:47,337
Speaker 2: under pressure like that. That's a really heads up play

1103
00:52:47,418 --> 00:52:49,898
Speaker 2: by him too, And obviously the touchdown at the end

1104
00:52:49,898 --> 00:52:52,138
Speaker 2: of regulations are really heads up play by him as well,

1105
00:52:52,218 --> 00:52:54,098
Speaker 2: and just a good play just to box out the

1106
00:52:54,138 --> 00:52:57,258
Speaker 2: guy and make the catch. So I understand where you're

1107
00:52:57,258 --> 00:53:00,178
Speaker 2: coming from with Vermandre. I just mentioned him. My number

1108
00:53:00,178 --> 00:53:02,418
Speaker 2: one up again was Hunter Henry. I just think that

1109
00:53:02,498 --> 00:53:05,338
Speaker 2: he's been one of their best players overall this season.

1110
00:53:05,898 --> 00:53:09,698
Speaker 2: Seven catches on eight targets fifty six yards, just whenever

1111
00:53:09,778 --> 00:53:11,458
Speaker 2: they really need to have it, you know, the fourth

1112
00:53:11,498 --> 00:53:14,698
Speaker 2: down play I just mentioned earlier that now was the

1113
00:53:14,778 --> 00:53:17,578
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry. A couple of really good throws over the

1114
00:53:17,618 --> 00:53:20,538
Speaker 2: middle against blitzes where he's just right where he needs

1115
00:53:20,578 --> 00:53:23,178
Speaker 2: to be, right where the quarterback is expecting him to

1116
00:53:23,258 --> 00:53:26,498
Speaker 2: be an on time. Just such a quarterback as best

1117
00:53:26,538 --> 00:53:29,498
Speaker 2: friend type of player for a young QB. I just

1118
00:53:29,578 --> 00:53:32,777
Speaker 2: think that if I had to rank the Patriots' best

1119
00:53:32,818 --> 00:53:36,337
Speaker 2: players on the year. I might have Hunter Henry as

1120
00:53:36,378 --> 00:53:39,458
Speaker 2: their best overall player right now. He's certainly been pretty

1121
00:53:39,498 --> 00:53:40,978
Speaker 2: much the only consistent on offense.

1122
00:53:41,098 --> 00:53:43,338
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's saying something. Yeah, he was good in

1123
00:53:43,418 --> 00:53:46,098
Speaker 4: this game. He's been really good. Yep. Next again, this

1124
00:53:46,178 --> 00:53:48,857
Speaker 4: is gonna sound weird to some people. Jilawnie tovai better

1125
00:53:48,938 --> 00:53:51,937
Speaker 4: game is the second game. He did have one play.

1126
00:53:52,098 --> 00:53:54,178
Speaker 4: He had two plays where he got shook out of

1127
00:53:54,218 --> 00:53:55,498
Speaker 4: his shoes. One of them ended up coming back on

1128
00:53:55,538 --> 00:53:58,178
Speaker 4: a penalty, but made a couple stops against the run,

1129
00:53:58,498 --> 00:54:01,178
Speaker 4: was all over the field, made nice play on that interception. Yeah.

1130
00:54:01,538 --> 00:54:03,777
Speaker 4: I just it's trending in the right direction with him,

1131
00:54:03,778 --> 00:54:05,938
Speaker 4: which is good because that I don't know that that

1132
00:54:06,058 --> 00:54:08,258
Speaker 4: totally fixes the defense, but that would be a big help.

1133
00:54:08,298 --> 00:54:10,258
Speaker 4: If he can start getting comfortable more off the ball.

1134
00:54:10,498 --> 00:54:11,897
Speaker 4: I didn't think we were going to see that either,

1135
00:54:11,938 --> 00:54:13,618
Speaker 4: but he's starting to look more comfortable in that role.

1136
00:54:14,098 --> 00:54:16,538
Speaker 4: So encouraging sign that he's maybe starting to turn.

1137
00:54:16,458 --> 00:54:19,218
Speaker 2: Down Definitely better, Definitely a step in the right direction.

1138
00:54:19,258 --> 00:54:21,258
Speaker 2: I thought he gave up some plays too in this game.

1139
00:54:21,418 --> 00:54:23,417
Speaker 2: Thirty two yarder on the fort opening drive.

1140
00:54:23,458 --> 00:54:24,418
Speaker 4: It was a little bit him.

1141
00:54:24,858 --> 00:54:27,018
Speaker 2: I gave up a twenty four yard catch and coverage,

1142
00:54:27,458 --> 00:54:29,618
Speaker 2: but he also made some more splash plays this week,

1143
00:54:29,698 --> 00:54:29,938
Speaker 2: so he.

1144
00:54:30,458 --> 00:54:33,258
Speaker 4: Shouldn't be incoverage. Like, I just don't necessarily fault him

1145
00:54:33,258 --> 00:54:34,898
Speaker 4: for that because he is not a player that should

1146
00:54:34,898 --> 00:54:35,378
Speaker 4: be in coverage.

1147
00:54:35,458 --> 00:54:37,538
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't blame him for it that much either.

1148
00:54:38,098 --> 00:54:40,058
Speaker 2: My next one, you're not going to believe this. I

1149
00:54:40,098 --> 00:54:44,178
Speaker 2: went with special teams Marcus Jones. I thought Marcus Jones,

1150
00:54:45,218 --> 00:54:48,338
Speaker 2: his forty yard return and his twenty five yard return

1151
00:54:48,418 --> 00:54:51,658
Speaker 2: both set up scoring drives for the Patriots without that

1152
00:54:51,778 --> 00:54:54,178
Speaker 2: twenty five yard return at the end of regulation that

1153
00:54:54,298 --> 00:54:56,738
Speaker 2: got them to the fifty yard line and started that

1154
00:54:56,898 --> 00:54:58,777
Speaker 2: drive in plus field position. Like, I don't know if

1155
00:54:58,818 --> 00:55:00,458
Speaker 2: they score on that drive.

1156
00:55:00,698 --> 00:55:02,498
Speaker 4: Talk about in a game that had its share of

1157
00:55:02,578 --> 00:55:05,578
Speaker 4: dumb coaching decisions. Yeah, hunting the pall the Marcus Jones

1158
00:55:05,658 --> 00:55:09,578
Speaker 4: right there. It's not quite Matt Dodge DeShawn Jackson Raclet

1159
00:55:09,578 --> 00:55:12,458
Speaker 4: to metal Life, but there's some similarity.

1160
00:55:12,578 --> 00:55:15,618
Speaker 2: Yeah, what the hell was Brian Callahan thing? Yeah, No,

1161
00:55:15,778 --> 00:55:19,618
Speaker 2: it was a He was impactful on returns in this game,

1162
00:55:19,978 --> 00:55:22,738
Speaker 2: and he's a weapon. He's a weapon. He's on the

1163
00:55:22,818 --> 00:55:24,658
Speaker 2: list right now for me, you know, not not a

1164
00:55:24,738 --> 00:55:28,098
Speaker 2: ton of guys that really deserve Pro Bowl, you know,

1165
00:55:28,178 --> 00:55:31,098
Speaker 2: sort of recognition or potential. But right now, I know

1166
00:55:31,258 --> 00:55:34,178
Speaker 2: Cliff Raymond's having a huge return season for Detroit. But

1167
00:55:34,578 --> 00:55:37,538
Speaker 2: if Marcus Jones mixes in a return touchdown here at

1168
00:55:37,618 --> 00:55:39,978
Speaker 2: some point, I think he has a really good chance

1169
00:55:40,018 --> 00:55:42,698
Speaker 2: of being a Pro Bowl returner. Yeah, all right, who's

1170
00:55:42,818 --> 00:55:44,218
Speaker 2: got you got one more?

1171
00:55:44,338 --> 00:55:47,498
Speaker 4: No? You only did two? All right, honorable mention for me,

1172
00:55:47,578 --> 00:55:47,937
Speaker 4: I didn't.

1173
00:55:47,978 --> 00:55:49,898
Speaker 2: I always say fully up, just because it's hard to

1174
00:55:50,258 --> 00:55:52,698
Speaker 2: put anybody in the run defense fully up. I thought

1175
00:55:52,738 --> 00:55:57,498
Speaker 2: Anthony Jennings was good in this game. Five stuffs, four hurries.

1176
00:55:57,618 --> 00:56:00,218
Speaker 2: I mean that's really big production. I think he's doing

1177
00:56:00,338 --> 00:56:03,418
Speaker 2: his job on the defense and in the run game specifically,

1178
00:56:03,498 --> 00:56:06,098
Speaker 2: doesn't really seem like the runs that are to his

1179
00:56:06,218 --> 00:56:08,458
Speaker 2: side he's getting like crack blocked and things like that,

1180
00:56:08,658 --> 00:56:11,817
Speaker 2: you know, not necessarily his fault. So I would say

1181
00:56:11,858 --> 00:56:13,898
Speaker 2: that he's one of the few guys that is pulling

1182
00:56:14,418 --> 00:56:16,498
Speaker 2: his weight on the defensive side of the ball. All right,

1183
00:56:16,538 --> 00:56:19,618
Speaker 2: let's go to the downs, because there were certainly a

1184
00:56:19,618 --> 00:56:20,218
Speaker 2: lot of choices.

1185
00:56:20,338 --> 00:56:22,498
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we already did two of these off

1186
00:56:22,538 --> 00:56:25,338
Speaker 4: the top. So just the coaching. Ye whether it be

1187
00:56:25,578 --> 00:56:27,178
Speaker 4: the or there's one thing we didn't cover. So we

1188
00:56:27,218 --> 00:56:29,178
Speaker 4: talked about the end of the half. Yep, we talked

1189
00:56:29,178 --> 00:56:31,938
Speaker 4: about the win thing. We talked about changing the offensive line,

1190
00:56:31,978 --> 00:56:33,898
Speaker 4: which I had Laiden Robinson, is it down. You just

1191
00:56:34,018 --> 00:56:37,258
Speaker 4: got bullied out of that game. We're just staying on

1192
00:56:37,338 --> 00:56:40,138
Speaker 4: the the uh, not going for two at the end

1193
00:56:40,138 --> 00:56:40,578
Speaker 4: of regulation.

1194
00:56:40,738 --> 00:56:42,938
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. I'm glad you brought that up.

1195
00:56:43,858 --> 00:56:46,817
Speaker 2: I hear both sides of it. For what it's worth,

1196
00:56:46,858 --> 00:56:49,738
Speaker 2: the Nerds supported their decision to kick. I could not

1197
00:56:49,938 --> 00:56:53,258
Speaker 2: believe that they actually did it. They said to kick

1198
00:56:53,298 --> 00:56:54,938
Speaker 2: again for Tampa. Yeah.

1199
00:56:55,178 --> 00:56:57,578
Speaker 4: I'm being dead serious when I say this. I always

1200
00:56:57,578 --> 00:56:59,618
Speaker 4: thought the little graphic that comes up that says go

1201
00:56:59,778 --> 00:57:02,178
Speaker 4: or kick, Yeah, I always thought they were making up

1202
00:57:02,218 --> 00:57:06,338
Speaker 4: the number because I had never seen I had never

1203
00:57:06,418 --> 00:57:08,618
Speaker 4: seen that graphic say kicked before in my life. I

1204
00:57:08,778 --> 00:57:11,618
Speaker 4: had never seen that until that game. I was shocked.

1205
00:57:11,698 --> 00:57:13,978
Speaker 4: I always thought they just they only had one version

1206
00:57:13,978 --> 00:57:15,898
Speaker 4: of graphic that said go because they were trying to

1207
00:57:15,938 --> 00:57:18,378
Speaker 4: further the analytics agenda. I didn't even know a kick

1208
00:57:18,458 --> 00:57:20,338
Speaker 4: version of that graphic exists. Existing.

1209
00:57:20,458 --> 00:57:22,378
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they would. They said it was close, it

1210
00:57:22,458 --> 00:57:25,338
Speaker 2: was like three percentage points, but it definitely favored kick.

1211
00:57:25,418 --> 00:57:28,218
Speaker 2: And my guess is that that was a big part

1212
00:57:28,258 --> 00:57:30,938
Speaker 2: of the decision making. I know that irks you probably

1213
00:57:30,978 --> 00:57:33,538
Speaker 2: inerks a lot of people that they're if.

1214
00:57:33,458 --> 00:57:35,578
Speaker 4: They arrive at the right decision, they arrive at the

1215
00:57:35,618 --> 00:57:38,458
Speaker 4: right decision. Well, no, the analytics people can't get mad

1216
00:57:38,858 --> 00:57:41,538
Speaker 4: if if blindly following the math is the answer and

1217
00:57:41,578 --> 00:57:43,378
Speaker 4: the math goes against what they want because a lot

1218
00:57:43,378 --> 00:57:45,818
Speaker 4: of the analytics people don't want analytics. They're just impatient

1219
00:57:45,938 --> 00:57:48,258
Speaker 4: and go for too. I want to see gopher to

1220
00:57:48,698 --> 00:57:50,978
Speaker 4: well over time. No, you have the ball where you're

1221
00:57:50,978 --> 00:57:52,898
Speaker 4: not like, No, that they're just I think a lot

1222
00:57:52,938 --> 00:57:54,898
Speaker 4: of the analytics communities is just impatient and they don't

1223
00:57:54,978 --> 00:57:58,618
Speaker 4: like the hard nosed football that involves, you know, establishing

1224
00:57:58,658 --> 00:57:59,898
Speaker 4: to run multiple players whatever.

1225
00:58:00,018 --> 00:58:02,458
Speaker 2: But is this because they're nerds? Is that what you're saying?

1226
00:58:02,578 --> 00:58:06,578
Speaker 4: Sure, I don't really get that, but like I actually

1227
00:58:06,618 --> 00:58:09,618
Speaker 4: went back and looked because I regardless of whether to

1228
00:58:09,658 --> 00:58:11,098
Speaker 4: go for it or not, and I actually there's a

1229
00:58:11,138 --> 00:58:14,978
Speaker 4: fail fair football conversation be at here. Math aside. I

1230
00:58:15,098 --> 00:58:17,378
Speaker 4: do understand the argument to go for two. I think

1231
00:58:17,418 --> 00:58:20,018
Speaker 4: it's a flavor thing. I won't say somebody's wrong if

1232
00:58:20,058 --> 00:58:22,858
Speaker 4: they say they should go for two, I would kick it,

1233
00:58:22,978 --> 00:58:26,258
Speaker 4: but I get it's a real, like good, legitimate football debate.

1234
00:58:26,698 --> 00:58:29,218
Speaker 4: What I would say is the amount of and this

1235
00:58:29,298 --> 00:58:31,978
Speaker 4: goes to the Tampa game too, the amount of people

1236
00:58:32,178 --> 00:58:37,218
Speaker 4: surprised that the Patriots didn't go for two. That was

1237
00:58:38,098 --> 00:58:40,698
Speaker 4: surprising to me that if you're saying, well, what do

1238
00:58:40,738 --> 00:58:42,058
Speaker 4: you mean you don't go for two? What are you

1239
00:58:42,138 --> 00:58:44,498
Speaker 4: talking about? I went back and looked the idea that

1240
00:58:44,578 --> 00:58:46,538
Speaker 4: it's like some given in the NFL that you go

1241
00:58:46,698 --> 00:58:50,258
Speaker 4: for two. There is not the case, and it never

1242
00:58:50,338 --> 00:58:52,298
Speaker 4: has been. It's a college football thing. So all the

1243
00:58:52,298 --> 00:58:54,298
Speaker 4: people that tell me college football is two amateur and

1244
00:58:54,378 --> 00:58:55,538
Speaker 4: then come at me and say you should go for

1245
00:58:55,618 --> 00:58:58,658
Speaker 4: two there, Well, there's one hundred and twenty something teams

1246
00:58:58,698 --> 00:59:00,298
Speaker 4: that are doing that, especially if you're on the road.

1247
00:59:00,978 --> 00:59:02,978
Speaker 4: And I went back to twenty fifteen because that's when

1248
00:59:02,978 --> 00:59:05,778
Speaker 4: they moved the pat back. There have been six, well

1249
00:59:05,818 --> 00:59:09,338
Speaker 4: now seven instances, but before the Patriots, six instances where

1250
00:59:09,378 --> 00:59:11,858
Speaker 4: a team scored a touchdown in the final ten seconds

1251
00:59:11,858 --> 00:59:14,098
Speaker 4: of the game to make it a one point game

1252
00:59:14,498 --> 00:59:17,218
Speaker 4: pending the extra point of the You get what I'm saying.

1253
00:59:18,018 --> 00:59:21,178
Speaker 4: Of those six teams, four kicked the extra point. Okay,

1254
00:59:21,298 --> 00:59:24,018
Speaker 4: Now three of the four lost in overtime, so maybe

1255
00:59:24,058 --> 00:59:26,138
Speaker 4: you look at that and whatever, we'll change their minds.

1256
00:59:26,178 --> 00:59:28,458
Speaker 4: Now one team went for one team got the two

1257
00:59:28,498 --> 00:59:29,898
Speaker 4: that went for it, the other one didn't. Now there's

1258
00:59:29,938 --> 00:59:32,938
Speaker 4: one of them Baltimore right against Kansas City. I honestly

1259
00:59:32,978 --> 00:59:34,658
Speaker 4: think it was the Chargers against Kansas City. There's a

1260
00:59:34,698 --> 00:59:36,618
Speaker 4: Kansas City and there I remember that was the charge.

1261
00:59:36,938 --> 00:59:39,418
Speaker 4: The point. These are all different teams with different circumstances.

1262
00:59:39,458 --> 00:59:41,698
Speaker 4: This is why I hate the man that shouldn't inform

1263
00:59:42,018 --> 00:59:45,698
Speaker 4: what the Patriots did. But what it does inform is saying, well,

1264
00:59:45,738 --> 00:59:48,858
Speaker 4: everybody goes for two. There they don't. They really don't.

1265
00:59:49,178 --> 00:59:53,098
Speaker 2: So my my, my feeling on the Gopher two thing

1266
00:59:53,818 --> 00:59:58,258
Speaker 2: is if they had scored the touchdown on a conventional play,

1267
00:59:58,818 --> 01:00:03,818
Speaker 2: not a eleven point seven to five second ridiculous, uh,

1268
01:00:04,098 --> 01:00:07,338
Speaker 2: you know, circus play. Like if they had scored on

1269
01:00:07,458 --> 01:00:13,098
Speaker 2: a conventional play, then I would have felt more inclined

1270
01:00:13,098 --> 01:00:15,498
Speaker 2: to go for two. Not because of the fatigue factor

1271
01:00:15,578 --> 01:00:18,698
Speaker 2: as much, but I just would have felt if I

1272
01:00:18,818 --> 01:00:20,498
Speaker 2: was drawed, Mayo, I would have felt a little bit

1273
01:00:20,498 --> 01:00:22,858
Speaker 2: more confident in actually getting the two points right, you

1274
01:00:22,898 --> 01:00:25,298
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, Okay, we just ran a play.

1275
01:00:25,818 --> 01:00:28,098
Speaker 2: It just worked a perfection and we you know, he

1276
01:00:28,218 --> 01:00:30,138
Speaker 2: hit the back of his foot and hit and hunter

1277
01:00:30,138 --> 01:00:32,538
Speaker 2: Head real wide open walking into the end zone on

1278
01:00:32,618 --> 01:00:35,538
Speaker 2: the touchdown, Like what we we can we can do this,

1279
01:00:35,658 --> 01:00:38,258
Speaker 2: we have this down asking to go for two there,

1280
01:00:38,298 --> 01:00:40,698
Speaker 2: I think is is asking a lot of Drake may

1281
01:00:40,778 --> 01:00:42,698
Speaker 2: because now you're he's got to go back out there

1282
01:00:42,978 --> 01:00:45,498
Speaker 2: and probably do the same exact thing that he just did, right.

1283
01:00:45,578 --> 01:00:47,738
Speaker 4: And And that's why you know, I always said, you've

1284
01:00:47,778 --> 01:00:49,498
Speaker 4: heard me say this, Evan, when it comes to go

1285
01:00:49,778 --> 01:00:52,778
Speaker 4: or not go, And this is why I can't stand

1286
01:00:52,818 --> 01:00:56,178
Speaker 4: the math. The decision to go forward or not is

1287
01:00:56,578 --> 01:00:58,058
Speaker 4: only as good as the play you call.

1288
01:00:58,178 --> 01:01:00,138
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if they had if I had confidence, I

1289
01:01:00,218 --> 01:01:02,258
Speaker 2: agree with you on the on that mostly, but like

1290
01:01:02,338 --> 01:01:04,738
Speaker 2: even more now, like if I had confidence that they

1291
01:01:04,818 --> 01:01:07,298
Speaker 2: had some like cheeky two point conversion play that was

1292
01:01:07,338 --> 01:01:11,778
Speaker 2: actually gonna take everybody by surprising, not anything too like crazy,

1293
01:01:11,858 --> 01:01:14,058
Speaker 2: but not like a trick play. I'm just saying, like,

1294
01:01:14,178 --> 01:01:16,338
Speaker 2: you know, something like an RPO that we were just

1295
01:01:16,418 --> 01:01:19,178
Speaker 2: talking about, or a roll out play or something that

1296
01:01:19,418 --> 01:01:22,818
Speaker 2: was actually like oh wow, like they've practiced that clearly

1297
01:01:23,098 --> 01:01:25,298
Speaker 2: a hundred times and like, you know, have it down.

1298
01:01:25,898 --> 01:01:27,858
Speaker 2: Then I would have I would have been impressed. I

1299
01:01:27,898 --> 01:01:30,338
Speaker 2: don't know if I was really expecting that, right.

1300
01:01:30,298 --> 01:01:32,378
Speaker 4: Like, no, that's the thing. If they're looking at it

1301
01:01:32,458 --> 01:01:34,138
Speaker 4: and look, it brings up a different issues. You should

1302
01:01:34,138 --> 01:01:35,698
Speaker 4: go in every game with three or four two point

1303
01:01:35,698 --> 01:01:38,258
Speaker 4: places you feel good about. But they struggled to get

1304
01:01:38,298 --> 01:01:40,418
Speaker 4: the one yard earlier in the game. They were struggling

1305
01:01:40,578 --> 01:01:42,578
Speaker 4: to get in. I can't run the ball right, they

1306
01:01:42,618 --> 01:01:45,138
Speaker 4: were struggling to get in from the five earlier. It's like, yeah,

1307
01:01:46,418 --> 01:01:48,338
Speaker 4: even if you're like, yeah, going for two here makes

1308
01:01:48,338 --> 01:01:49,698
Speaker 4: a ton of sense, but we don't have a play

1309
01:01:49,778 --> 01:01:51,658
Speaker 4: that we think can pick it up. Well, then what

1310
01:01:51,778 --> 01:01:54,498
Speaker 4: you're just gonna lose the game out of pride in

1311
01:01:54,578 --> 01:01:57,938
Speaker 4: the overall decision, Like I just the decision to go.

1312
01:01:58,418 --> 01:01:59,938
Speaker 4: I don't care about the math. I care about what

1313
01:02:00,098 --> 01:02:01,778
Speaker 4: is your play? How good do you feel about the

1314
01:02:01,818 --> 01:02:04,178
Speaker 4: play you were calling? And I understand if they didn't

1315
01:02:04,178 --> 01:02:05,898
Speaker 4: feel good about the play in that situation.

1316
01:02:05,658 --> 01:02:08,338
Speaker 2: All right, what's your Because we both had coaching as

1317
01:02:08,378 --> 01:02:11,418
Speaker 2: a as a doubt. So what's your next Jonathan Jones?

1318
01:02:12,018 --> 01:02:14,138
Speaker 4: He just he I don't know if it's I know

1319
01:02:14,218 --> 01:02:17,698
Speaker 4: he's dealing with injuries or age or whatever. Like they

1320
01:02:17,778 --> 01:02:20,298
Speaker 4: were picking on him in this game, and he was struggling.

1321
01:02:19,938 --> 01:02:24,098
Speaker 2: To step slow these days. Yeah, and look the touchdown

1322
01:02:24,178 --> 01:02:26,858
Speaker 2: pass that he gave up to Westbrook and kna is

1323
01:02:26,898 --> 01:02:28,818
Speaker 2: a tough route to cover. Circus were out in the

1324
01:02:28,898 --> 01:02:29,338
Speaker 2: red zone.

1325
01:02:29,378 --> 01:02:31,538
Speaker 4: And it's also guides much bigger than Yeah, and he.

1326
01:02:31,578 --> 01:02:34,098
Speaker 2: Has the whole side of the field to get open, right, Like,

1327
01:02:34,178 --> 01:02:36,898
Speaker 2: that's a tough route, uh, to cover for anybody. But

1328
01:02:36,978 --> 01:02:40,178
Speaker 2: it does feel like the Houston game this game, like

1329
01:02:40,298 --> 01:02:42,498
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jones getting picked on a little bit. I think

1330
01:02:42,538 --> 01:02:45,898
Speaker 2: I texted you this during the game actually about moving

1331
01:02:45,978 --> 01:02:46,578
Speaker 2: him to safety.

1332
01:02:46,618 --> 01:02:47,618
Speaker 4: It was the after.

1333
01:02:49,018 --> 01:02:52,138
Speaker 2: Not this season. It's probably not the best time.

1334
01:02:52,178 --> 01:02:54,058
Speaker 4: I might do it this season because their safety plays

1335
01:02:54,098 --> 01:02:54,658
Speaker 4: not great either.

1336
01:02:54,978 --> 01:02:58,498
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those things where usually when a

1337
01:02:58,538 --> 01:03:00,698
Speaker 2: player starts to lose a step and can't run with

1338
01:03:00,818 --> 01:03:04,578
Speaker 2: receivers anymore at corner, you know, the conventional wisdom is

1339
01:03:04,618 --> 01:03:08,258
Speaker 2: to then move them you can have a second Yeah, Yeah,

1340
01:03:08,378 --> 01:03:11,738
Speaker 2: I think it's a potential move for him. All right,

1341
01:03:12,658 --> 01:03:16,338
Speaker 2: So you had Jonathan Jones, so I had Michael Jordan

1342
01:03:17,258 --> 01:03:21,218
Speaker 2: as my number two down. I thought Laden Robinson honorable

1343
01:03:21,338 --> 01:03:24,138
Speaker 2: mention in this as well, but he didn't play as

1344
01:03:24,218 --> 01:03:26,058
Speaker 2: much and it's not his fault that he was playing.

1345
01:03:26,218 --> 01:03:29,818
Speaker 4: So let me ask you this, do you think so

1346
01:03:29,938 --> 01:03:31,858
Speaker 4: they may to change on the interior, right? And Ben

1347
01:03:31,898 --> 01:03:33,418
Speaker 4: Brown also had his worst game of the year, and

1348
01:03:33,498 --> 01:03:35,338
Speaker 4: I know he'd been struggling last couple of weeks, but

1349
01:03:35,418 --> 01:03:37,698
Speaker 4: this was such a drop off. And I actually I

1350
01:03:37,778 --> 01:03:40,538
Speaker 4: want to add one honorable mention of the ups Jeffrey Simmons,

1351
01:03:40,858 --> 01:03:43,538
Speaker 4: one of the most underrated players in the league. Yeah,

1352
01:03:43,938 --> 01:03:44,778
Speaker 4: dude is a stud.

1353
01:03:44,938 --> 01:03:46,138
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get to that in a second.

1354
01:03:46,498 --> 01:03:50,778
Speaker 4: But point B, do you think that it is related

1355
01:03:51,178 --> 01:03:53,618
Speaker 4: that they made a change on the interior when the

1356
01:03:53,698 --> 01:03:57,298
Speaker 4: interior had been working and other guys on the interior

1357
01:03:57,378 --> 01:04:00,538
Speaker 4: started to struggle in addition to Leydon Robinson.

1358
01:04:00,778 --> 01:04:03,098
Speaker 2: I will allow for the fact that that might be

1359
01:04:03,498 --> 01:04:06,058
Speaker 2: a factor in all of this, but I would also

1360
01:04:06,218 --> 01:04:09,898
Speaker 2: say that Michael Jordan, just to stick with him for

1361
01:04:09,938 --> 01:04:14,098
Speaker 2: a second, his film has been on a decline for

1362
01:04:14,218 --> 01:04:16,858
Speaker 2: about a month now, I would say, and all this

1363
01:04:17,058 --> 01:04:19,538
Speaker 2: moving around that they're going to do on the offensive

1364
01:04:19,618 --> 01:04:22,498
Speaker 2: line potentially for Sunday, that I know is going to

1365
01:04:22,538 --> 01:04:24,178
Speaker 2: take a lot of heat, and I agree with some

1366
01:04:24,378 --> 01:04:28,018
Speaker 2: of it to an extent, But at this point, it

1367
01:04:28,178 --> 01:04:32,298
Speaker 2: definitely does feel like Michael Jordan is teetering on unplayable

1368
01:04:33,258 --> 01:04:36,618
Speaker 2: for them on the offensive line, and I certainly understand

1369
01:04:36,658 --> 01:04:38,778
Speaker 2: that Michael Jordan is not a part of their future

1370
01:04:39,178 --> 01:04:41,658
Speaker 2: on the offensive line. So getting a guy like Leyden

1371
01:04:41,738 --> 01:04:45,698
Speaker 2: Robinson or even city So who they hate, apparently getting

1372
01:04:45,738 --> 01:04:47,218
Speaker 2: one of those two guys in.

1373
01:04:47,298 --> 01:04:49,018
Speaker 4: There, not one of those two guys City So.

1374
01:04:50,258 --> 01:04:52,378
Speaker 2: Getting one of those two guys in there just to

1375
01:04:52,578 --> 01:04:55,178
Speaker 2: try to develop a younger player when the guy yet

1376
01:04:55,258 --> 01:04:57,738
Speaker 2: you have, the veteran that you have starting isn't playing

1377
01:04:57,818 --> 01:05:00,818
Speaker 2: well anyways, does make a lot of sense.

1378
01:05:00,938 --> 01:05:01,098
Speaker 4: Now.

1379
01:05:01,578 --> 01:05:03,578
Speaker 2: The way they're going to get to that by moving

1380
01:05:03,738 --> 01:05:07,058
Speaker 2: on WHENU to left guard and starting Robinson, maybe that

1381
01:05:07,218 --> 01:05:08,258
Speaker 2: doesn't make much sense.

1382
01:05:08,298 --> 01:05:10,378
Speaker 4: But the idea of well, if.

1383
01:05:10,298 --> 01:05:12,898
Speaker 2: This guy's not gonna play well anyways, and let's just

1384
01:05:13,298 --> 01:05:16,498
Speaker 2: handed to the kids that in theory I think I

1385
01:05:16,578 --> 01:05:16,938
Speaker 2: can get.

1386
01:05:17,098 --> 01:05:20,218
Speaker 4: Do you think there's a chance they are holding out

1387
01:05:20,378 --> 01:05:22,618
Speaker 4: and saying we'll make the change when cole Strange comes back.

1388
01:05:22,978 --> 01:05:25,338
Speaker 2: I do like that idea, and I do think at

1389
01:05:25,378 --> 01:05:27,218
Speaker 2: this point, I know a lot of people have had

1390
01:05:27,298 --> 01:05:31,178
Speaker 2: conversations about Cole Strange playing center. I definitely think at

1391
01:05:31,218 --> 01:05:33,498
Speaker 2: this point that he's more needed at left guard than

1392
01:05:33,538 --> 01:05:35,858
Speaker 2: he is at center. Now, Ben Brown was rough in

1393
01:05:35,938 --> 01:05:38,418
Speaker 2: this game too, but I thought Ben Brown was fine

1394
01:05:38,858 --> 01:05:39,578
Speaker 2: for what he is.

1395
01:05:40,778 --> 01:05:40,938
Speaker 4: Now.

1396
01:05:41,618 --> 01:05:45,618
Speaker 2: My bigger complaint or problem with this whole thing, and

1397
01:05:45,778 --> 01:05:48,818
Speaker 2: just to have the numbers for you, I had Michael

1398
01:05:48,898 --> 01:05:52,258
Speaker 2: Jordan with five quarterback pressures allowed in this game. The

1399
01:05:52,298 --> 01:05:55,258
Speaker 2: bigger problem that I had with this game. And this

1400
01:05:55,458 --> 01:05:59,058
Speaker 2: goes back, you know, years and years with Belichick in

1401
01:05:59,218 --> 01:06:02,218
Speaker 2: the past, like there's there's certain guys we talk about

1402
01:06:02,258 --> 01:06:04,258
Speaker 2: all the time, not to talk about Bill. Let's we

1403
01:06:04,378 --> 01:06:07,498
Speaker 2: talk about this all the time, Tuesday players, right, who's

1404
01:06:07,778 --> 01:06:10,018
Speaker 2: the Tuesday players on the opponent? You get into the

1405
01:06:10,058 --> 01:06:13,058
Speaker 2: game plan meeting, you get the coaches together, you say,

1406
01:06:13,138 --> 01:06:16,098
Speaker 2: who's the one guy on defense for the Tennessee Titans

1407
01:06:16,378 --> 01:06:18,738
Speaker 2: or the two guys on defense for the Tennessee Titans

1408
01:06:18,978 --> 01:06:22,058
Speaker 2: that we cannot allow wreck this game, that we can't

1409
01:06:22,138 --> 01:06:22,338
Speaker 2: let it.

1410
01:06:22,658 --> 01:06:25,138
Speaker 4: It's Jeffrey Simmons. But the way Jiraw talked about it

1411
01:06:25,218 --> 01:06:30,058
Speaker 4: after the game, talking about making surprise right, which who's

1412
01:06:30,138 --> 01:06:32,378
Speaker 4: the first first player drawd Mail brought up on Wednesday

1413
01:06:32,378 --> 01:06:34,698
Speaker 4: when he broke down to Jeffrey Simmons. So when you

1414
01:06:34,818 --> 01:06:37,738
Speaker 4: come into this game, it's not even like lineup is

1415
01:06:38,578 --> 01:06:41,058
Speaker 4: number one. We've we've already gotten over that, right, We've

1416
01:06:41,058 --> 01:06:43,418
Speaker 4: already gone over that. I should say the lineup is

1417
01:06:43,418 --> 01:06:45,418
Speaker 4: a big part of it, but I would also just

1418
01:06:45,458 --> 01:06:47,658
Speaker 4: say the pass protection plans a big part of it

1419
01:06:47,738 --> 01:06:50,938
Speaker 4: as well. Like there's no reason, you know, Tovandre Sweat's

1420
01:06:50,938 --> 01:06:53,738
Speaker 4: a decent player against the run, he's excellent, but he's

1421
01:06:53,778 --> 01:06:56,618
Speaker 4: not a pass rusher. So there's really no reason that

1422
01:06:56,738 --> 01:06:58,858
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Simmons should have ever been one on one in

1423
01:06:58,938 --> 01:07:01,778
Speaker 4: this game. Like you slide the line to Jeffrey Simmons,

1424
01:07:02,378 --> 01:07:05,418
Speaker 4: it's very easy to do. The center is the midpoint

1425
01:07:05,578 --> 01:07:08,738
Speaker 4: of the offensive line. You slide half slide one way,

1426
01:07:09,018 --> 01:07:11,058
Speaker 4: you man to man the other side, right, so you

1427
01:07:11,098 --> 01:07:13,258
Speaker 4: have three guys sliding and you have two guys man

1428
01:07:13,338 --> 01:07:15,898
Speaker 4: to man on the other side. Usually you you know,

1429
01:07:16,138 --> 01:07:19,418
Speaker 4: slide towards the play that the way you're running to

1430
01:07:19,458 --> 01:07:21,698
Speaker 4: play right the first read and in the progression, but

1431
01:07:21,858 --> 01:07:24,418
Speaker 4: you can mess with it and you slide to protection.

1432
01:07:24,738 --> 01:07:28,138
Speaker 4: So the entire game, Ben Brown should have been opening

1433
01:07:28,178 --> 01:07:31,298
Speaker 4: to Jeffrey Simmons his side of the right, and then

1434
01:07:31,338 --> 01:07:33,818
Speaker 4: you have two guys on him the entire game. Like

1435
01:07:33,898 --> 01:07:36,178
Speaker 4: that's the way that it should have been, the fact

1436
01:07:36,218 --> 01:07:39,818
Speaker 4: that it wasn't is just bad coaching. Like, it's just

1437
01:07:40,018 --> 01:07:42,938
Speaker 4: bad coaching. So I had Michael Jordan, I had you know,

1438
01:07:42,978 --> 01:07:45,218
Speaker 4: you could put Ben Brown in this conversation. You can

1439
01:07:45,258 --> 01:07:48,738
Speaker 4: put Layden Robinson in this conversation. But the end, all

1440
01:07:48,898 --> 01:07:50,858
Speaker 4: the end, you know, the end, this whole rant. The

1441
01:07:51,098 --> 01:07:53,698
Speaker 4: interior offensive line by the Patriots got their ass whipped

1442
01:07:53,698 --> 01:07:55,978
Speaker 4: in this game. And that is not just on them,

1443
01:07:56,378 --> 01:07:58,498
Speaker 4: it's also just on the coaching as well. So you

1444
01:07:58,618 --> 01:08:00,178
Speaker 4: have to do a better job in general.

1445
01:08:00,618 --> 01:08:03,738
Speaker 2: But I I understand why they're gonna take Michael Jordan

1446
01:08:03,858 --> 01:08:06,178
Speaker 2: out of this, out of the lineup, because he hasn't

1447
01:08:06,218 --> 01:08:06,858
Speaker 2: been very good.

1448
01:08:06,978 --> 01:08:08,538
Speaker 4: Yeah again, I think there's a better way to do it.

1449
01:08:08,578 --> 01:08:13,338
Speaker 4: Put him with you. Last one, last one, Bryce Bearinger, Oh.

1450
01:08:13,338 --> 01:08:15,138
Speaker 2: No, your boy. He had a couple of shanks, like

1451
01:08:15,178 --> 01:08:16,938
Speaker 2: you can't have that. He had a big shank, lady,

1452
01:08:16,938 --> 01:08:17,777
Speaker 2: He had a really.

1453
01:08:17,818 --> 01:08:22,697
Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah, there's not like there's no I don't

1454
01:08:22,697 --> 01:08:24,777
Speaker 4: know how much would editorialize that the guy was one

1455
01:08:24,778 --> 01:08:26,338
Speaker 4: of the best punters in the league to start the season.

1456
01:08:26,338 --> 01:08:28,737
Speaker 4: He's cooled off a little bit, out kicked his coverage

1457
01:08:28,778 --> 01:08:31,458
Speaker 4: in Jacksonville, shanked a couple punts of week. Gotta get

1458
01:08:31,497 --> 01:08:32,098
Speaker 4: back on track.

1459
01:08:32,338 --> 01:08:35,657
Speaker 2: Is this a This isn't a Jake Bailey did too

1460
01:08:35,697 --> 01:08:37,178
Speaker 2: many squats scenarios?

1461
01:08:37,218 --> 01:08:38,697
Speaker 4: Hope not? Yeah, I hope not.

1462
01:08:38,818 --> 01:08:41,338
Speaker 2: It was squats, right, was it squats? I think it's

1463
01:08:41,378 --> 01:08:43,897
Speaker 2: like the hair is back or something like that. Squats

1464
01:08:45,018 --> 01:08:48,378
Speaker 2: my last down. And I've said this before, so I'm

1465
01:08:48,378 --> 01:08:50,297
Speaker 2: sorry for people that listen to all of our shows.

1466
01:08:50,378 --> 01:08:54,458
Speaker 2: And I'm repeating myself a little bit. But every single Monday,

1467
01:08:55,298 --> 01:08:57,378
Speaker 2: Film Monday one of my favorite days of the week.

1468
01:08:57,737 --> 01:08:59,378
Speaker 2: I get to sit down, I get to watch.

1469
01:08:59,418 --> 01:09:01,378
Speaker 4: Watch The Loving Mondays is so on brim.

1470
01:09:01,537 --> 01:09:03,657
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get to watch the film. It's great. I

1471
01:09:03,777 --> 01:09:06,737
Speaker 2: sit in with my laptop for like twelve straight hours

1472
01:09:06,897 --> 01:09:09,458
Speaker 2: and watch film, and it's my favorite day of the week.

1473
01:09:10,497 --> 01:09:15,378
Speaker 2: I have started to dread watching the Patriots defense. I've

1474
01:09:15,458 --> 01:09:20,138
Speaker 2: started to dread it because their run defense is so

1475
01:09:20,378 --> 01:09:23,258
Speaker 2: tough to watch. It is so difficult to watch, like

1476
01:09:23,418 --> 01:09:29,657
Speaker 2: it from alignment to fits to getting off blocks, fundamentals,

1477
01:09:29,817 --> 01:09:35,617
Speaker 2: pad level, you know, I discipline, iding rushes like all

1478
01:09:35,697 --> 01:09:38,737
Speaker 2: of it, all of it is just is just really

1479
01:09:39,178 --> 01:09:41,817
Speaker 2: tough to watch. So I'll give you one example, I

1480
01:09:41,857 --> 01:09:44,218
Speaker 2: could give you a billion. Obviously, in overtime they just

1481
01:09:44,298 --> 01:09:47,218
Speaker 2: get there, blown off the line of scrimmage like this

1482
01:09:47,418 --> 01:09:50,497
Speaker 2: wasn't anything creative in overtime. It was just like against

1483
01:09:50,577 --> 01:09:54,458
Speaker 2: Jacksonville in London, We're coming at you. You can't stop us.

1484
01:09:55,098 --> 01:09:58,138
Speaker 2: That's what we're doing, right Like, It's just that right

1485
01:09:58,258 --> 01:10:01,098
Speaker 2: there is It sucks the soul right out of you,

1486
01:10:01,338 --> 01:10:03,338
Speaker 2: right like that. The fact that you can't just line

1487
01:10:03,418 --> 01:10:05,777
Speaker 2: up and stop somebody in the run game is just

1488
01:10:05,897 --> 01:10:09,577
Speaker 2: really difficult to watch. But the thirty two yarder by

1489
01:10:09,657 --> 01:10:12,458
Speaker 2: Tony Pollard on the opening drive of this game for

1490
01:10:12,577 --> 01:10:17,178
Speaker 2: the Titans, which they scored a touchdown on, they ran

1491
01:10:17,258 --> 01:10:19,017
Speaker 2: a front that I haven't seen them run a ton

1492
01:10:19,657 --> 01:10:22,697
Speaker 2: where they have a four technique, So a defensive end

1493
01:10:22,817 --> 01:10:25,458
Speaker 2: straight up over the tackle right, he's right lined up

1494
01:10:25,577 --> 01:10:30,337
Speaker 2: right over the left tackles Jeremiah Farms. There's nobody outside

1495
01:10:30,537 --> 01:10:33,737
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Farms, like there's nobody. There's no edge defender, there's

1496
01:10:33,817 --> 01:10:37,497
Speaker 2: no outside linebacker standing up, there's no Anthony Jennings over there,

1497
01:10:37,497 --> 01:10:40,018
Speaker 2: there's no number nobody. So what do the Titans do?

1498
01:10:40,458 --> 01:10:43,138
Speaker 2: They just motion a tight end into the formation and

1499
01:10:43,258 --> 01:10:46,818
Speaker 2: they crack block Jeremiah Farms and they get the easiest

1500
01:10:46,978 --> 01:10:50,737
Speaker 2: edge of all time. Like it's just easiest edge ever,

1501
01:10:50,897 --> 01:10:53,018
Speaker 2: and they get the the DB's in the fit and

1502
01:10:53,138 --> 01:10:55,577
Speaker 2: now we're just running downhill at two hundred and you know,

1503
01:10:55,617 --> 01:10:58,138
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety pound defensive backs right, Like it's

1504
01:10:58,218 --> 01:11:02,777
Speaker 2: just that to me, is not necessarily you know, DeMarcus

1505
01:11:02,857 --> 01:11:05,577
Speaker 2: Covington said today that the dbs need to do a

1506
01:11:05,617 --> 01:11:09,218
Speaker 2: better job in the run game. You should help out

1507
01:11:09,258 --> 01:11:11,378
Speaker 2: the dbs, right, Like, why is there not an edge

1508
01:11:11,378 --> 01:11:14,298
Speaker 2: defender there to set the edge of the defense, Like

1509
01:11:14,418 --> 01:11:19,657
Speaker 2: having a hand in the dirt, defensive lineman inside the tackle,

1510
01:11:20,138 --> 01:11:22,977
Speaker 2: be your furthest player out on the line of scrimmage

1511
01:11:23,018 --> 01:11:25,737
Speaker 2: on that side of the ball just doesn't make logical sense.

1512
01:11:26,138 --> 01:11:29,137
Speaker 2: And I watched their run defense and there's just times

1513
01:11:29,178 --> 01:11:32,657
Speaker 2: where I'm like, who in this gap? Like who's assigned

1514
01:11:32,697 --> 01:11:35,657
Speaker 2: to this gap? Like there's nobody in the gap, So

1515
01:11:35,817 --> 01:11:38,458
Speaker 2: that is that on the players that they're not getting

1516
01:11:38,497 --> 01:11:41,817
Speaker 2: aligned correctly on the field. Is that on the coaches

1517
01:11:41,978 --> 01:11:44,537
Speaker 2: for the fronts they're running or what they're coaching in

1518
01:11:44,657 --> 01:11:47,697
Speaker 2: terms of alignment. What I'm basically getting at is is

1519
01:11:47,737 --> 01:11:52,098
Speaker 2: that this is not talent. This is details. Yeah, And

1520
01:11:52,537 --> 01:11:55,897
Speaker 2: all it takes is being sharper on these details and

1521
01:11:56,058 --> 01:11:59,338
Speaker 2: better with your fundamentals, and their run defense will get better.

1522
01:11:59,458 --> 01:12:02,857
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that they don't have Vince will Fork

1523
01:12:03,138 --> 01:12:05,657
Speaker 2: or a Juwan Bentley or whichever player of from the

1524
01:12:05,737 --> 01:12:07,977
Speaker 2: Patriots pass that you want to point at that it

1525
01:12:08,098 --> 01:12:10,617
Speaker 2: was a good run defender. They have enough guys that

1526
01:12:10,737 --> 01:12:13,418
Speaker 2: can stop the run. Davon Godshaw is a really good

1527
01:12:13,577 --> 01:12:17,258
Speaker 2: nose tackle, Anthony Jennings is a really good edgesetter. They

1528
01:12:17,458 --> 01:12:20,258
Speaker 2: need to deploy these guys better than what they're doing,

1529
01:12:20,458 --> 01:12:22,697
Speaker 2: or they need to get the players on the same

1530
01:12:22,777 --> 01:12:25,338
Speaker 2: page and to buy into what they're doing. Way too

1531
01:12:25,418 --> 01:12:29,378
Speaker 2: many blown fits, blown gaps, poor assignmon sound football, and

1532
01:12:29,737 --> 01:12:32,737
Speaker 2: poor formation on the defensive side of the ball. It's

1533
01:12:32,777 --> 01:12:35,537
Speaker 2: a painful watch to watch their run defense right now.

1534
01:12:35,617 --> 01:12:39,178
Speaker 2: It's it's not up to it's not NFL standard, and

1535
01:12:39,298 --> 01:12:42,218
Speaker 2: it's it's taking away from my mondays Alex. That's the

1536
01:12:42,258 --> 01:12:43,057
Speaker 2: most important thing.

1537
01:12:43,458 --> 01:12:45,697
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it hasn't been good plan and simple.

1538
01:12:46,058 --> 01:12:48,697
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna take your calls here in a second,

1539
01:12:48,737 --> 01:12:52,057
Speaker 2: I promise, but before we do, Massachusetts is made for everyone.

1540
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1541
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1542
01:12:59,298 --> 01:13:03,777
Speaker 2: there's something for everyone this fall, Massachusetts, where everything is

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Speaker 2: made possible. Plan your trip at visit m dot com.

1544
01:13:08,258 --> 01:13:09,817
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the phones. I know you

1545
01:13:09,897 --> 01:13:12,577
Speaker 2: guys have been waiting, so I appreciate it. We appreciate it.

1546
01:13:13,298 --> 01:13:15,017
Speaker 2: Sam is in Connecticut. What's up?

1547
01:13:15,058 --> 01:13:15,298
Speaker 4: Sam?

1548
01:13:17,418 --> 01:13:17,577
Speaker 3: Hey?

1549
01:13:17,737 --> 01:13:18,378
Speaker 2: You hear me?

1550
01:13:18,657 --> 01:13:19,617
Speaker 4: Yes? Go forward?

1551
01:13:19,657 --> 01:13:19,897
Speaker 2: Sam?

1552
01:13:20,937 --> 01:13:24,178
Speaker 5: All right, awesome. I had one question that I want

1553
01:13:24,218 --> 01:13:25,937
Speaker 5: to ask you guys. You guys want to do it

1554
01:13:25,978 --> 01:13:29,218
Speaker 5: a little bit, but I just want to ask about

1555
01:13:29,258 --> 01:13:31,857
Speaker 5: the run game in general. Well, what do you think

1556
01:13:32,218 --> 01:13:35,058
Speaker 5: the main issue is with the run game? Is if

1557
01:13:35,178 --> 01:13:38,218
Speaker 5: mostly on scheming? I know you guys are talking about

1558
01:13:38,617 --> 01:13:41,098
Speaker 5: that a lot earlier. Has it been at all in

1559
01:13:41,178 --> 01:13:44,017
Speaker 5: the on the players? I don't know how Gibson's really

1560
01:13:44,098 --> 01:13:47,098
Speaker 5: been doing individually. I know Stevenson, you know, at the

1561
01:13:47,138 --> 01:13:49,057
Speaker 5: beginning of the year was breaking a lot of tackles.

1562
01:13:51,058 --> 01:13:52,577
Speaker 5: I want to I want to figure out who if

1563
01:13:52,577 --> 01:13:54,857
Speaker 5: it was. Those two things are a big part of

1564
01:13:54,937 --> 01:13:59,378
Speaker 5: it was offensive line, uh, rush blocking and if that

1565
01:13:59,497 --> 01:14:01,937
Speaker 5: kind of took a decline, and I kind of wanted

1566
01:14:01,937 --> 01:14:03,897
Speaker 5: to know, you know why you guys think that fell

1567
01:14:03,978 --> 01:14:06,497
Speaker 5: off so much just since the beginning of the season.

1568
01:14:06,537 --> 01:14:09,097
Speaker 5: If if it was maybe you know, difference with Drake

1569
01:14:09,218 --> 01:14:12,497
Speaker 5: May playing at quarterback and defenses are kind of treating

1570
01:14:12,537 --> 01:14:15,178
Speaker 5: it differently. I just love to hear you guys talk

1571
01:14:15,218 --> 01:14:15,537
Speaker 5: about it.

1572
01:14:15,857 --> 01:14:16,777
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call.

1573
01:14:16,857 --> 01:14:17,057
Speaker 4: Sam.

1574
01:14:17,138 --> 01:14:19,338
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's a good Uh, it's a good question. So

1575
01:14:19,817 --> 01:14:21,697
Speaker 2: a couple of things that I see with their run game,

1576
01:14:21,697 --> 01:14:24,138
Speaker 2: and then als obviously give your thoughts. I think the

1577
01:14:24,258 --> 01:14:26,497
Speaker 2: number one thing to me is uh, And I've been

1578
01:14:26,737 --> 01:14:29,378
Speaker 2: We've been saying this going back to the Patricia years,

1579
01:14:29,577 --> 01:14:32,857
Speaker 2: like they just don't have the offensive linemen to block

1580
01:14:32,897 --> 01:14:36,418
Speaker 2: an outside zone system. Like I just don't believe that they,

1581
01:14:36,657 --> 01:14:40,737
Speaker 2: from a personnel standpoint, have the right people to block it.

1582
01:14:40,817 --> 01:14:42,937
Speaker 2: And I know on when who kind of gets used

1583
01:14:42,978 --> 01:14:45,177
Speaker 2: as like the perfect example because he's a three hundred

1584
01:14:45,178 --> 01:14:47,497
Speaker 2: and forty pound guy. But I would just say across

1585
01:14:47,657 --> 01:14:50,258
Speaker 2: the board. They don't have the athletes for it. So

1586
01:14:50,378 --> 01:14:54,017
Speaker 2: outside Zonetah. You know, you look at teams that run

1587
01:14:54,138 --> 01:14:57,817
Speaker 2: that kind of system, they have a lot of I guess,

1588
01:14:57,897 --> 01:14:59,458
Speaker 2: just to use a patriot, like, they have a bunch

1589
01:14:59,497 --> 01:15:01,977
Speaker 2: of cold strangers, right, Like they have a bunch of athletes.

1590
01:15:02,018 --> 01:15:06,937
Speaker 2: They have a bunch of lean, very athletic interior players

1591
01:15:07,098 --> 01:15:11,657
Speaker 2: especially that can horizontally move at that ninety degree angle

1592
01:15:11,737 --> 01:15:13,737
Speaker 2: and reach blocks on the line of scrimmage. So a

1593
01:15:13,777 --> 01:15:16,497
Speaker 2: lot of outside zone is that you're gonna you know,

1594
01:15:16,537 --> 01:15:19,058
Speaker 2: if you're going to the left side, you're gonna have

1595
01:15:19,178 --> 01:15:22,178
Speaker 2: a guy right in your gap on your outside hip,

1596
01:15:22,497 --> 01:15:24,817
Speaker 2: and you have to reach that player and you have

1597
01:15:24,978 --> 01:15:28,577
Speaker 2: to turn him some you know, out of that gap,

1598
01:15:29,138 --> 01:15:32,057
Speaker 2: and that takes a lot of athleticism and a lot

1599
01:15:32,098 --> 01:15:35,017
Speaker 2: of explosiveness out of your stance. So if they want

1600
01:15:35,058 --> 01:15:37,298
Speaker 2: to be that kind of team, and they truly want

1601
01:15:37,338 --> 01:15:40,298
Speaker 2: to commit to being an outside zone run team, which

1602
01:15:40,338 --> 01:15:42,418
Speaker 2: I do think they do, because that's what Gerrod Mayo

1603
01:15:42,897 --> 01:15:46,098
Speaker 2: said when he was hired, that he kind of infatuated

1604
01:15:46,178 --> 01:15:49,458
Speaker 2: by that system, by the Shanahan Tree, then you need

1605
01:15:49,497 --> 01:15:52,418
Speaker 2: to draft for that system, like you need to go

1606
01:15:52,537 --> 01:15:56,217
Speaker 2: out and draft lineman that fit the mold of that system.

1607
01:15:56,697 --> 01:16:01,178
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think Caden Wallace or Laden Robinson are

1608
01:16:01,458 --> 01:16:05,617
Speaker 2: outside zone offensive linemen. So I would say, on the

1609
01:16:05,657 --> 01:16:09,378
Speaker 2: one hand, I definitely will continue to harp and pound

1610
01:16:09,418 --> 01:16:12,097
Speaker 2: the table for them to just go downhill at people again,

1611
01:16:12,458 --> 01:16:16,017
Speaker 2: like run some gap schemes guys like run some duo,

1612
01:16:16,497 --> 01:16:20,897
Speaker 2: run some lead, run some power, and just downhill right

1613
01:16:20,978 --> 01:16:24,178
Speaker 2: at them, like take on Win, you take Robinson, take

1614
01:16:24,218 --> 01:16:26,617
Speaker 2: these big guys and get them moving off the line

1615
01:16:26,617 --> 01:16:29,817
Speaker 2: of scrimmage. Right now, the push that they're generating is

1616
01:16:29,897 --> 01:16:32,218
Speaker 2: not good enough. And I don't think it's totally on them.

1617
01:16:32,258 --> 01:16:33,458
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is scheme.

1618
01:16:34,298 --> 01:16:37,178
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that, But I also think and

1619
01:16:37,298 --> 01:16:38,897
Speaker 4: maybe they're going away from this, and we talked about

1620
01:16:38,937 --> 01:16:41,097
Speaker 4: maybe Laden Robinson went in last week because they wanted

1621
01:16:41,098 --> 01:16:43,657
Speaker 4: a guy who was primarily a run blocker. With Drake

1622
01:16:43,777 --> 01:16:46,137
Speaker 4: May coming in, they're putting more emphasis or they're putting

1623
01:16:46,138 --> 01:16:48,497
Speaker 4: more attention on getting players in who are better pass blockers,

1624
01:16:48,777 --> 01:16:50,617
Speaker 4: and they just don't have a ton of guys who

1625
01:16:50,657 --> 01:16:53,497
Speaker 4: are solid in both regards right now. They don't even

1626
01:16:53,537 --> 01:16:54,977
Speaker 4: when it comes to moving a guy like Mike and

1627
01:16:54,978 --> 01:16:58,017
Speaker 4: Winn who's right guard to right tackle. That's a move

1628
01:16:58,098 --> 01:16:59,937
Speaker 4: you make in regards to the run game. You're not

1629
01:17:00,018 --> 01:17:02,297
Speaker 4: making that to do a better job protecting the quarterback.

1630
01:17:02,418 --> 01:17:05,937
Speaker 4: So how much can you do about that right now?

1631
01:17:06,018 --> 01:17:08,057
Speaker 4: I mean, you can keep Mike going win right guard.

1632
01:17:08,138 --> 01:17:10,178
Speaker 4: That's one way to help it. But some of it

1633
01:17:10,298 --> 01:17:12,857
Speaker 4: to me not a personnel thing in the sense, well

1634
01:17:12,897 --> 01:17:14,737
Speaker 4: it is, I guess the personnel thing in the sense

1635
01:17:14,777 --> 01:17:16,817
Speaker 4: of who they have available. But I think because of

1636
01:17:16,897 --> 01:17:18,857
Speaker 4: who they have available, the coaching staff at times has

1637
01:17:18,897 --> 01:17:22,338
Speaker 4: to choose do we want guys who are better pass blockers,

1638
01:17:22,458 --> 01:17:24,258
Speaker 4: better run blockers, because there are gonna be guys that

1639
01:17:24,338 --> 01:17:26,937
Speaker 4: have significant weaknesses at one or the other. And with

1640
01:17:27,098 --> 01:17:29,897
Speaker 4: Drake may In, the emphasis is on protecting the quarterback.

1641
01:17:30,577 --> 01:17:32,338
Speaker 2: It's a fair point. I just say the other thing,

1642
01:17:32,777 --> 01:17:36,537
Speaker 2: you know, quickly, they they're running a lot of they're

1643
01:17:36,617 --> 01:17:38,617
Speaker 2: running a lot of plays to the weak side of

1644
01:17:38,657 --> 01:17:42,777
Speaker 2: the formation, so away, so away from where the tight

1645
01:17:42,897 --> 01:17:45,378
Speaker 2: ends or this or so even sometimes the jumbo tight end,

1646
01:17:45,458 --> 01:17:46,737
Speaker 2: like the tackle eligible.

1647
01:17:47,178 --> 01:17:48,497
Speaker 4: I don't know what's up with it.

1648
01:17:48,937 --> 01:17:51,817
Speaker 2: The one thing that typically lends itself when you do

1649
01:17:51,978 --> 01:17:54,817
Speaker 2: that is that you're one on one on the back side,

1650
01:17:55,098 --> 01:17:59,817
Speaker 2: so you you technically have the numbers to that side

1651
01:17:59,857 --> 01:18:01,897
Speaker 2: of the field because the defense is getting tilt over

1652
01:18:02,058 --> 01:18:03,937
Speaker 2: to the side that the tight end is on, so

1653
01:18:04,098 --> 01:18:06,857
Speaker 2: you should have a numbers advantage running there. But the

1654
01:18:06,937 --> 01:18:10,458
Speaker 2: problem is is that it's everybody's on their own right,

1655
01:18:10,577 --> 01:18:12,097
Speaker 2: Like it's it's one on ones.

1656
01:18:11,897 --> 01:18:12,977
Speaker 4: Across the board, right.

1657
01:18:13,378 --> 01:18:15,218
Speaker 2: So you know, last week we talked a lot about

1658
01:18:15,258 --> 01:18:18,057
Speaker 2: that goal line run that won the game against the Jets.

1659
01:18:18,418 --> 01:18:20,777
Speaker 2: Like in that instance, you have the polers, So you

1660
01:18:20,857 --> 01:18:23,857
Speaker 2: have what they call fixers, right, the guys that if

1661
01:18:23,897 --> 01:18:25,937
Speaker 2: the guys on the line of scrimmage blow their block,

1662
01:18:26,218 --> 01:18:28,777
Speaker 2: you have like a second wave almost of blockers that

1663
01:18:28,817 --> 01:18:32,138
Speaker 2: can then make them right and fix the problem when

1664
01:18:32,178 --> 01:18:34,577
Speaker 2: you're running weak side and you don't have fixers, you

1665
01:18:34,617 --> 01:18:36,857
Speaker 2: don't have pollers coming from the other side of the field,

1666
01:18:37,178 --> 01:18:39,298
Speaker 2: then those guys, if they blow their block, that's it

1667
01:18:39,537 --> 01:18:42,178
Speaker 2: that the runs over. And that's what I'm seeing a

1668
01:18:42,258 --> 01:18:44,777
Speaker 2: lot of on film. Like they early on in this game,

1669
01:18:45,777 --> 01:18:48,537
Speaker 2: they made Cities so eligible. A couple of times they

1670
01:18:48,657 --> 01:18:51,497
Speaker 2: ran lead with the full back being City so in

1671
01:18:51,577 --> 01:18:54,937
Speaker 2: the backfield and Ramandri Stevenson didn't run behind City, so

1672
01:18:55,537 --> 01:18:58,298
Speaker 2: he ran the other way. So that to me, I

1673
01:18:58,458 --> 01:19:00,458
Speaker 2: just don't it doesn't add up to me like that.

1674
01:19:01,378 --> 01:19:03,937
Speaker 2: I watched that play and was similar to watching the

1675
01:19:04,018 --> 01:19:06,897
Speaker 2: run defense. I'm like, that doesn't look right, Like you

1676
01:19:07,058 --> 01:19:09,697
Speaker 2: have the whole run set up to run behind city.

1677
01:19:09,777 --> 01:19:12,897
Speaker 2: So but then Drake May and Ramandri Stevenson are He's

1678
01:19:12,978 --> 01:19:15,697
Speaker 2: going left, and both the cornerback and the running back

1679
01:19:15,737 --> 01:19:17,697
Speaker 2: are on the same page about which way he's going.

1680
01:19:17,777 --> 01:19:20,537
Speaker 2: So it wasn't like there was like some weird exchangeer

1681
01:19:20,857 --> 01:19:24,018
Speaker 2: or snafu back there. To me, they they pointed the

1682
01:19:24,098 --> 01:19:26,537
Speaker 2: run in the wrong direction. I don't know if that's

1683
01:19:26,697 --> 01:19:29,697
Speaker 2: just as simple as a screw up or if there

1684
01:19:29,937 --> 01:19:33,418
Speaker 2: was something more at play there at philosophical.

1685
01:19:32,777 --> 01:19:34,617
Speaker 4: Thing, but I just don't.

1686
01:19:34,697 --> 01:19:36,697
Speaker 2: I don't care for it, Alex. I don't like, why

1687
01:19:36,817 --> 01:19:40,497
Speaker 2: put a three hundred pound lineman at full back and

1688
01:19:40,577 --> 01:19:41,777
Speaker 2: then not run behind him?

1689
01:19:41,857 --> 01:19:43,777
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it goes back. They did this in

1690
01:19:43,857 --> 01:19:46,178
Speaker 4: the Seattle game. Remember where they ran the unbalanced line.

1691
01:19:46,178 --> 01:19:48,418
Speaker 4: They had Hunter henry at left tackle and they they

1692
01:19:48,697 --> 01:19:52,817
Speaker 4: ran they ran behind Hunter Henryett left tackle, Like this

1693
01:19:53,018 --> 01:19:56,338
Speaker 4: is it's not the first time they've tried something or

1694
01:19:56,378 --> 01:19:58,178
Speaker 4: they've tried that a couple of times this year, and yeah,

1695
01:19:58,218 --> 01:19:58,497
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1696
01:19:58,857 --> 01:20:01,897
Speaker 2: Yeah, fullback's great. Full back helps so much to me

1697
01:20:02,018 --> 01:20:02,737
Speaker 2: in the run game.

1698
01:20:03,418 --> 01:20:05,138
Speaker 4: If they're gonna keep running this offense, you want to

1699
01:20:05,138 --> 01:20:06,937
Speaker 4: see him, because I've gotten this question a lot, do

1700
01:20:06,937 --> 01:20:08,458
Speaker 4: you want to see him add a true fullback and

1701
01:20:08,497 --> 01:20:09,458
Speaker 4: incorporate it next year?

1702
01:20:09,577 --> 01:20:11,537
Speaker 2: I don't want them to keep running this offense, but

1703
01:20:11,657 --> 01:20:14,497
Speaker 2: if they if they insist on running or even.

1704
01:20:14,418 --> 01:20:16,817
Speaker 4: A more developed version of this offense. Basically, if Van

1705
01:20:16,937 --> 01:20:19,138
Speaker 4: Pelt's next back next year, even if they add in

1706
01:20:19,298 --> 01:20:20,897
Speaker 4: some of the pistol stuff and some of the design

1707
01:20:20,978 --> 01:20:24,058
Speaker 4: quarterback run stuff, do you think that there's room to

1708
01:20:24,138 --> 01:20:26,937
Speaker 4: incorporate a full back into a version of this offense. Yeah.

1709
01:20:27,018 --> 01:20:29,617
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But in order to do that, this is not

1710
01:20:29,737 --> 01:20:31,657
Speaker 2: a James Devi Jakob Johnson.

1711
01:20:31,817 --> 01:20:33,017
Speaker 4: No, it's it's.

1712
01:20:34,497 --> 01:20:35,697
Speaker 2: It's a it's used check.

1713
01:20:35,817 --> 01:20:39,178
Speaker 4: Like who was the guy they had the Packers, ironically

1714
01:20:39,298 --> 01:20:41,737
Speaker 4: not Dalton Keene. They had him and he opted out

1715
01:20:41,777 --> 01:20:42,897
Speaker 4: the COVID year and then he retired.

1716
01:20:43,018 --> 01:20:46,657
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they needed like a more athletic full back

1717
01:20:46,737 --> 01:20:48,378
Speaker 2: because he's going to have to block out on a

1718
01:20:48,418 --> 01:20:50,818
Speaker 2: perimeter and some are just a little bigger.

1719
01:20:50,577 --> 01:20:52,978
Speaker 4: Than Jahem Bell. I don't think Jaeen Bell is quite.

1720
01:20:52,978 --> 01:20:56,178
Speaker 2: I think Jaaine Bell has potential to be that guy though,

1721
01:20:56,338 --> 01:20:58,178
Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't mind at least trying to see if

1722
01:20:58,218 --> 01:21:00,497
Speaker 2: he could do it. Honestly, I think he has a

1723
01:21:00,617 --> 01:21:04,977
Speaker 2: chance to. But oh, Danny Vitel, Danny Vitel, Yes, I

1724
01:21:05,058 --> 01:21:07,737
Speaker 2: remember Danny Vittel. I thought Danny Vitel was going to

1725
01:21:07,777 --> 01:21:09,257
Speaker 2: be a thing for a second.

1726
01:21:09,458 --> 01:21:11,977
Speaker 4: I well, he was. They signed him to be a thing,

1727
01:21:12,018 --> 01:21:13,537
Speaker 4: but he Yeah, it was the COVID year and he

1728
01:21:13,577 --> 01:21:15,458
Speaker 4: opted out and then he retired. How much I think

1729
01:21:15,497 --> 01:21:17,218
Speaker 4: they even like extended him, They signed him for a

1730
01:21:17,218 --> 01:21:17,817
Speaker 4: one year deal.

1731
01:21:18,098 --> 01:21:19,857
Speaker 2: How much podcast time do you think you and I

1732
01:21:19,978 --> 01:21:21,617
Speaker 2: wasted talking about Danny Vittel.

1733
01:21:21,897 --> 01:21:24,218
Speaker 4: At least at least weren't doing podcasts that year, that's

1734
01:21:24,218 --> 01:21:25,138
Speaker 4: the one you weren't doing.

1735
01:21:25,298 --> 01:21:27,218
Speaker 2: That's true. We would have done a lot, at least

1736
01:21:27,298 --> 01:21:27,897
Speaker 2: thirty minutes.

1737
01:21:28,018 --> 01:21:30,657
Speaker 4: It was. It was it was a cosmic happening that

1738
01:21:30,737 --> 01:21:33,458
Speaker 4: that that was the one year we weren't doing podcast.

1739
01:21:33,138 --> 01:21:35,298
Speaker 2: We didn't get to talk about Danny Vitel together.

1740
01:21:35,418 --> 01:21:37,258
Speaker 4: That's what they get to do with Danny vital Who

1741
01:21:37,338 --> 01:21:39,458
Speaker 4: else did we missed that year probably a lot, but

1742
01:21:39,617 --> 01:21:42,418
Speaker 4: Danny Cam because he was still here to twenty twenty one. Yeah,

1743
01:21:42,418 --> 01:21:44,817
Speaker 4: we never got to talk to mere Bird. Underrated player.

1744
01:21:44,978 --> 01:21:48,057
Speaker 2: Underrated player, under I mean that underrated respect on Demir

1745
01:21:48,098 --> 01:21:51,458
Speaker 2: Bird's name, I mean he had, he had. They replaced

1746
01:21:51,537 --> 01:21:53,298
Speaker 2: him Nelson waiting for an hour and seven.

1747
01:21:53,737 --> 01:21:56,897
Speaker 4: They replaced him with Nelson Aglore and they both have

1748
01:21:57,058 --> 01:21:58,218
Speaker 4: like equal productions. Yeah.

1749
01:21:58,258 --> 01:21:59,458
Speaker 2: Year, now Demir Bird could fly.

1750
01:21:59,697 --> 01:22:00,017
Speaker 4: All right.

1751
01:22:00,298 --> 01:22:04,777
Speaker 2: Steve is in New Jersey. What's up, Steve? Steve are

1752
01:22:04,777 --> 01:22:05,057
Speaker 2: you there?

1753
01:22:06,378 --> 01:22:08,777
Speaker 4: That's my fault. I talked to me, you did, Stevie?

1754
01:22:08,817 --> 01:22:11,617
Speaker 2: All right? Steve calls back if if you're still there?

1755
01:22:11,697 --> 01:22:13,657
Speaker 2: All right. Todd is in North Carolina? What's up?

1756
01:22:13,697 --> 01:22:13,817
Speaker 4: Todd?

1757
01:22:15,458 --> 01:22:18,137
Speaker 3: So before you got on you Evan, and just after

1758
01:22:18,218 --> 01:22:20,458
Speaker 3: you left yesterday I talked to Jog a little bit

1759
01:22:20,657 --> 01:22:23,857
Speaker 3: and John felt that ADP was brilliant and that he's

1760
01:22:23,897 --> 01:22:26,218
Speaker 3: being kind of held back. He's not allowed to be

1761
01:22:26,338 --> 01:22:29,138
Speaker 3: creative and not allowed to do as much. And then

1762
01:22:29,178 --> 01:22:32,178
Speaker 3: in the chat today for PU there's a guy who

1763
01:22:32,617 --> 01:22:35,258
Speaker 3: gave us a quote from Mayo on w E I

1764
01:22:35,458 --> 01:22:38,097
Speaker 3: saying that you know he's in the headset, he's making

1765
01:22:38,178 --> 01:22:41,937
Speaker 3: the calls for the offense and that's how it works.

1766
01:22:42,018 --> 01:22:46,098
Speaker 3: So he's actually doing offense and I don't like the

1767
01:22:46,178 --> 01:22:48,338
Speaker 3: sound of that. And then I was thinking about that.

1768
01:22:48,418 --> 01:22:50,977
Speaker 3: You combine that with may talking about how proud he is.

1769
01:22:51,018 --> 01:22:53,537
Speaker 5: Of all the audibles he's had to make, and I'm.

1770
01:22:53,378 --> 01:22:56,378
Speaker 3: Beginning to wonder, like just who is coaching what and

1771
01:22:56,737 --> 01:22:58,977
Speaker 3: who's doing what? And it's starting to make me a

1772
01:22:59,018 --> 01:23:01,257
Speaker 3: little concern. What do you guys think about the coaching

1773
01:23:01,338 --> 01:23:04,138
Speaker 3: and is AVP brilliant and being held back?

1774
01:23:04,258 --> 01:23:06,177
Speaker 4: I'll take it off, thanks Todd.

1775
01:23:06,298 --> 01:23:09,897
Speaker 2: I don't think Gerrod Mayo is is is coaching or

1776
01:23:10,258 --> 01:23:12,537
Speaker 2: super involved in the offense. I don't think.

1777
01:23:12,617 --> 01:23:14,817
Speaker 4: I don't get that impression. I don't think so either.

1778
01:23:14,978 --> 01:23:18,378
Speaker 2: Now being on the headset, like obviously every head coach

1779
01:23:18,537 --> 01:23:22,097
Speaker 2: is on the headset and is in that you know, okay,

1780
01:23:22,497 --> 01:23:26,298
Speaker 2: you know sometimes like maybe he wants to explain how

1781
01:23:26,298 --> 01:23:29,057
Speaker 2: they want to handle a certain situation, right to Alice

1782
01:23:29,138 --> 01:23:31,658
Speaker 2: Van Pelt, like you know, you mentioned in the situation

1783
01:23:31,817 --> 01:23:34,418
Speaker 2: before halftime against the Jets, like let's just run it

1784
01:23:34,458 --> 01:23:36,817
Speaker 2: out here, let's see yeah, right, that sort of thing.

1785
01:23:37,497 --> 01:23:39,737
Speaker 2: So I think that that's definitely possible. But I don't

1786
01:23:39,737 --> 01:23:43,217
Speaker 2: think Girod Mayo's is getting in there and calling plays

1787
01:23:43,657 --> 01:23:46,897
Speaker 2: like and you know he shouldn't be being in Drake Mayzier,

1788
01:23:47,138 --> 01:23:51,017
Speaker 2: He's not. Now, do I think Alex van Pelt's being

1789
01:23:51,058 --> 01:23:54,217
Speaker 2: held back? No, I think this is Alex van Pelt's offense.

1790
01:23:54,218 --> 01:23:55,977
Speaker 2: I think this is the offense they've run in Cleveland.

1791
01:23:56,258 --> 01:23:57,897
Speaker 2: I think this is the offense he ran in Green

1792
01:23:57,978 --> 01:24:00,697
Speaker 2: Bay with Mike McCarthy. It's the offense that Mike McCarthy's

1793
01:24:00,777 --> 01:24:03,617
Speaker 2: running in Dallas with the Cowboys right now. Like, this

1794
01:24:03,817 --> 01:24:06,017
Speaker 2: is the offense I don't. I don't think that there's

1795
01:24:06,138 --> 01:24:08,178
Speaker 2: some secret sauce that's being missed from this.

1796
01:24:08,258 --> 01:24:11,298
Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's to an extent of him

1797
01:24:11,338 --> 01:24:13,218
Speaker 4: being held back by the personnel. And I think he

1798
01:24:13,258 --> 01:24:16,298
Speaker 4: even talked about this that like the execution is limiting

1799
01:24:16,378 --> 01:24:18,937
Speaker 4: some of the things they can do. But in that

1800
01:24:19,178 --> 01:24:20,378
Speaker 4: sense he might be being held there.

1801
01:24:20,497 --> 01:24:23,737
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I just don't think that from a creative sense,

1802
01:24:23,817 --> 01:24:25,617
Speaker 2: Like I don't think that he's not a this wizard

1803
01:24:25,777 --> 01:24:28,018
Speaker 2: that we're missing out on. I wish he was, Like

1804
01:24:28,098 --> 01:24:30,697
Speaker 2: I wish that was the case, because you would think

1805
01:24:30,777 --> 01:24:33,298
Speaker 2: by you know, four or five starts in with Drake

1806
01:24:33,378 --> 01:24:34,977
Speaker 2: May maybe we'd start to see some of that.

1807
01:24:35,058 --> 01:24:37,098
Speaker 4: Well. I think this is the week, like and you

1808
01:24:37,178 --> 01:24:38,937
Speaker 4: have the concussion in the middle there, which maybe throws

1809
01:24:38,937 --> 01:24:40,937
Speaker 4: a ranch into that this is the week where that

1810
01:24:41,458 --> 01:24:43,098
Speaker 4: element of it should start ramping up.

1811
01:24:43,298 --> 01:24:45,097
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I do want to talk a little

1812
01:24:45,098 --> 01:24:45,537
Speaker 2: bit of Bears.

1813
01:24:45,777 --> 01:24:49,217
Speaker 4: Marine. The we actually did like a pretty solid Bears preview,

1814
01:24:49,497 --> 01:24:50,897
Speaker 4: more of a preview than we usually do. We were

1815
01:24:50,897 --> 01:24:53,017
Speaker 4: talking Bears early in the show. I'm not saying we can't.

1816
01:24:53,018 --> 01:24:53,857
Speaker 4: I'm just saying no, I.

1817
01:24:53,897 --> 01:24:55,817
Speaker 2: Want to talk a little bit about Caleb, but I

1818
01:24:55,897 --> 01:24:58,098
Speaker 2: also want to get the emails up and Marine, the

1819
01:24:58,178 --> 01:25:00,577
Speaker 2: email is not logged in. If you can come help

1820
01:25:00,617 --> 01:25:03,777
Speaker 2: me with that, thank you. I want to talk a

1821
01:25:03,817 --> 01:25:09,258
Speaker 2: little bit about Caleb because look, it's a conversation and

1822
01:25:10,497 --> 01:25:12,897
Speaker 2: I like hand up. I'm not going to change my

1823
01:25:13,018 --> 01:25:15,057
Speaker 2: mind or act like I didn't feel this way during

1824
01:25:15,138 --> 01:25:17,537
Speaker 2: the draft. I had Caleb as the number one quarterback

1825
01:25:17,537 --> 01:25:19,737
Speaker 2: in the draft. I had him as the slam Dug

1826
01:25:19,817 --> 01:25:22,617
Speaker 2: number one pick. I would have taken him number one

1827
01:25:22,657 --> 01:25:26,258
Speaker 2: overall if I was Ryan Pace and Matt Eberflus and

1828
01:25:26,258 --> 01:25:28,977
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears. So I don't fault them for anything

1829
01:25:29,058 --> 01:25:32,937
Speaker 2: that they did. But now, in hindsight, with the benefit

1830
01:25:33,018 --> 01:25:36,817
Speaker 2: of it, Jading Daniels has certainly outplayed Caleb Williams. That

1831
01:25:37,497 --> 01:25:41,258
Speaker 2: goes without saying, and I think there's a case statistically,

1832
01:25:41,338 --> 01:25:44,258
Speaker 2: obviously in a much smaller sample size, that Drake may

1833
01:25:44,338 --> 01:25:46,577
Speaker 2: has at least played just as well, if not better

1834
01:25:47,298 --> 01:25:50,218
Speaker 2: than Caleb Williams as well, despite the fact that Caleb

1835
01:25:50,258 --> 01:25:53,138
Speaker 2: Williams has a great supporting cast on paper, or a

1836
01:25:53,218 --> 01:25:55,617
Speaker 2: much better one at least in the Patriots. I mean,

1837
01:25:55,657 --> 01:25:59,098
Speaker 2: I remember coming into the season with Chicago Alex that

1838
01:25:59,378 --> 01:26:01,977
Speaker 2: people are saying that this might be the best setup a.

1839
01:26:02,058 --> 01:26:06,097
Speaker 4: Number one pick has ever had. Yeah, in Chicago with Caleb.

1840
01:26:06,298 --> 01:26:09,777
Speaker 2: So what are your thoughts so far on Caleb and

1841
01:26:09,857 --> 01:26:13,937
Speaker 2: what he's done? You know, because I've been I've been

1842
01:26:13,978 --> 01:26:16,137
Speaker 2: a little underwhelmed. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not coming

1843
01:26:16,178 --> 01:26:18,537
Speaker 2: on here and trying to, you know, bash him to

1844
01:26:18,577 --> 01:26:21,018
Speaker 2: make Drake look better, I promise, but I just have

1845
01:26:21,098 --> 01:26:22,177
Speaker 2: been a little bit underwhelmed.

1846
01:26:22,817 --> 01:26:25,537
Speaker 4: I mean, he's been inconsistent, I think would be the

1847
01:26:25,577 --> 01:26:27,577
Speaker 4: best way to put it. He's had some games where

1848
01:26:27,617 --> 01:26:29,617
Speaker 4: he's looked unbelievable, but it was really like a four

1849
01:26:29,697 --> 01:26:31,378
Speaker 4: game stretch there in the middle of the year. He

1850
01:26:31,418 --> 01:26:33,577
Speaker 4: didn't start the season strong. He hasn't been good the

1851
01:26:33,657 --> 01:26:36,818
Speaker 4: last two weeks since the buy. So he's thrown nine touchdowns,

1852
01:26:37,338 --> 01:26:41,537
Speaker 4: but they've come in four total games. And on one hand,

1853
01:26:41,657 --> 01:26:44,418
Speaker 4: for a young quarterback, yeah, consistency is one of the

1854
01:26:44,418 --> 01:26:46,338
Speaker 4: tough things. But this is like to an extreme, especially

1855
01:26:46,378 --> 01:26:48,697
Speaker 4: when you factor in the talent he has around him.

1856
01:26:48,737 --> 01:26:50,258
Speaker 4: And I think we talked about this when he was

1857
01:26:50,298 --> 01:26:53,937
Speaker 4: at un and c usc was he going to be

1858
01:26:54,058 --> 01:26:57,017
Speaker 4: able to three step drop get the ball out right?

1859
01:26:57,098 --> 01:26:59,378
Speaker 4: For the concerns we talk about with Drake may and

1860
01:26:59,497 --> 01:27:01,418
Speaker 4: his inability to play in structure, a lot of that's

1861
01:27:01,458 --> 01:27:05,258
Speaker 4: there with Caleb too, and the offense Shane Waldern is calling,

1862
01:27:05,338 --> 01:27:08,298
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, is like incredibly structure based. I think

1863
01:27:08,298 --> 01:27:10,697
Speaker 4: you could argue it's more structure based than what the

1864
01:27:10,777 --> 01:27:13,777
Speaker 4: Patriots are calling for May or at the very least,

1865
01:27:15,218 --> 01:27:18,338
Speaker 4: Williams is more adhering to the structure. He's less willing

1866
01:27:18,378 --> 01:27:21,977
Speaker 4: to break the structure, and so he's fighting himself. He's

1867
01:27:22,018 --> 01:27:25,098
Speaker 4: fighting himself and something's got to give. And I know

1868
01:27:25,178 --> 01:27:27,298
Speaker 4: people in Chicago are not happy with Shane Waldern, and

1869
01:27:27,338 --> 01:27:29,977
Speaker 4: I get that, whether that's him, whether it's Williams, like,

1870
01:27:30,058 --> 01:27:33,178
Speaker 4: it's just the flashes are there. But I think they

1871
01:27:33,298 --> 01:27:34,977
Speaker 4: just have him fighting himself too much. Yeah.

1872
01:27:35,018 --> 01:27:37,338
Speaker 2: So I think it's funny with Shan Waldron because when

1873
01:27:37,378 --> 01:27:40,817
Speaker 2: I watch the Bears offense right now, in their system,

1874
01:27:40,897 --> 01:27:42,497
Speaker 2: I see a lot of the same things that the

1875
01:27:42,577 --> 01:27:47,458
Speaker 2: Patriots run. Conceptually offensively, they run a West Coast offense

1876
01:27:47,577 --> 01:27:51,737
Speaker 2: just like the Patriots. Waldron is a McVeagh guy, you know,

1877
01:27:51,857 --> 01:27:55,537
Speaker 2: came from the Rams, you know, the Seahawks via the Rams,

1878
01:27:55,978 --> 01:27:59,458
Speaker 2: but followed Sean McVay from Washington when McVay was the

1879
01:27:59,737 --> 01:28:02,697
Speaker 2: OC there to Los Angeles, right, So this is a

1880
01:28:02,777 --> 01:28:07,418
Speaker 2: true mcveay guy. But Waldron at least to this point,

1881
01:28:07,458 --> 01:28:09,178
Speaker 2: and he did a little bit more in Seattle. So

1882
01:28:09,258 --> 01:28:12,177
Speaker 2: maybe this is a rookie quarterback thing more than anything.

1883
01:28:12,298 --> 01:28:15,737
Speaker 2: But they don't motion much. They don't do much in

1884
01:28:15,897 --> 01:28:19,577
Speaker 2: terms of their pre snap to alter the defense or

1885
01:28:19,617 --> 01:28:22,737
Speaker 2: affect the defense, just like the Patriots. And I see

1886
01:28:22,777 --> 01:28:26,497
Speaker 2: a lot of the same sort of rudimentary route concepts

1887
01:28:26,617 --> 01:28:28,577
Speaker 2: right like we're gonna run a high low over here,

1888
01:28:29,138 --> 01:28:31,218
Speaker 2: or we're gonna run stick over there. We're going to

1889
01:28:31,338 --> 01:28:34,497
Speaker 2: run all curls here on third down or whatever. Like,

1890
01:28:34,617 --> 01:28:39,138
Speaker 2: It's all just kind of stuff that frankly, people have

1891
01:28:39,258 --> 01:28:42,218
Speaker 2: been running since like high school, right, And I think

1892
01:28:42,258 --> 01:28:44,458
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of that. I think they're spacing

1893
01:28:44,577 --> 01:28:46,657
Speaker 2: and the way that they set up the reads for

1894
01:28:46,817 --> 01:28:50,017
Speaker 2: Caleb has put a lot of pause into his decision

1895
01:28:50,098 --> 01:28:52,737
Speaker 2: making and has caused problems for them as well. So

1896
01:28:52,937 --> 01:28:54,857
Speaker 2: I put a lot of it on the design of

1897
01:28:54,897 --> 01:28:58,378
Speaker 2: the offense and the offensive coordinator. With that being said,

1898
01:28:58,418 --> 01:29:01,617
Speaker 2: I agree with everything that you said about this was

1899
01:29:01,857 --> 01:29:05,777
Speaker 2: the question mark coming into his career with Caleb was

1900
01:29:06,298 --> 01:29:09,897
Speaker 2: was he going to be able to operate on time,

1901
01:29:10,138 --> 01:29:12,617
Speaker 2: in rhythm, in structure. Like we know that he can

1902
01:29:12,657 --> 01:29:15,137
Speaker 2: do all the great stuff when the play breaks down,

1903
01:29:15,458 --> 01:29:18,058
Speaker 2: but was he going to be able to play conventional

1904
01:29:18,178 --> 01:29:21,458
Speaker 2: quarterback at a high enough level to make it worth

1905
01:29:21,497 --> 01:29:24,497
Speaker 2: it right to make this all go? And so far,

1906
01:29:24,817 --> 01:29:27,057
Speaker 2: I would say he struggled with that a little bit,

1907
01:29:27,178 --> 01:29:31,617
Speaker 2: you know, growing on time, throwing accurately with timing and

1908
01:29:31,697 --> 01:29:34,298
Speaker 2: rhythm and anticipation down the field. A lot of the

1909
01:29:34,418 --> 01:29:38,017
Speaker 2: time when you see quarterbacks misthrows, it's not because they're

1910
01:29:38,218 --> 01:29:41,418
Speaker 2: they can't control the ball, it's because they're not anticipating,

1911
01:29:41,617 --> 01:29:44,577
Speaker 2: or they're timing is off, so they're throwing late, or

1912
01:29:44,577 --> 01:29:46,777
Speaker 2: they're throwing early, and now all of a sudden, a

1913
01:29:46,817 --> 01:29:49,098
Speaker 2: ball that actually would have been perfectly fine looks like

1914
01:29:49,178 --> 01:29:51,657
Speaker 2: it's a bad throw. So I see a lot of

1915
01:29:51,697 --> 01:29:55,458
Speaker 2: that with Caleb as well. But if you're the Bears

1916
01:29:55,497 --> 01:29:58,017
Speaker 2: and I know this is already happening, there's a lot

1917
01:29:58,138 --> 01:30:01,418
Speaker 2: of Justin Field's PTSD, just like we have some mac

1918
01:30:01,497 --> 01:30:04,897
Speaker 2: Jones p atsd here. So a lot of the issues

1919
01:30:05,537 --> 01:30:08,458
Speaker 2: when you talk about, you know, reading the field, anticipation

1920
01:30:09,018 --> 01:30:11,178
Speaker 2: like that type of stuff, A lot of that was

1921
01:30:11,338 --> 01:30:14,258
Speaker 2: the knocks on Justin Field. So this sounds familiar for

1922
01:30:14,378 --> 01:30:17,298
Speaker 2: Chicago fans. And they also hate their coordinator. So all

1923
01:30:17,338 --> 01:30:19,777
Speaker 2: of this sounds a lot the same as some of

1924
01:30:19,817 --> 01:30:22,378
Speaker 2: the things that we've dealt with here over the last

1925
01:30:22,418 --> 01:30:27,937
Speaker 2: couple of years with Chicago. What do you think though,

1926
01:30:28,018 --> 01:30:30,218
Speaker 2: You're still in on Caleb and like, you know what

1927
01:30:30,378 --> 01:30:32,418
Speaker 2: you you expect to see out of him on Sunday.

1928
01:30:32,497 --> 01:30:35,338
Speaker 4: I mean, he's still has some talent. I you know,

1929
01:30:35,418 --> 01:30:39,418
Speaker 4: I'm expecting him to make some plays, but I think

1930
01:30:39,497 --> 01:30:42,817
Speaker 4: again he's they're not allowing him to go fully into

1931
01:30:42,857 --> 01:30:45,018
Speaker 4: his bag. And I wouldn't be surprised if if this

1932
01:30:45,138 --> 01:30:47,537
Speaker 4: game turns into a little bit of a slog. You know,

1933
01:30:47,617 --> 01:30:49,218
Speaker 4: there might be flashes here and there, but I'm not

1934
01:30:49,298 --> 01:30:51,537
Speaker 4: expecting like three hundred yards or three touchdowns or anything

1935
01:30:51,577 --> 01:30:52,338
Speaker 4: like that. Yeah.

1936
01:30:52,458 --> 01:30:56,058
Speaker 2: So really his best game has been in London against Jacksonville,

1937
01:30:56,418 --> 01:30:59,058
Speaker 2: which is not a very good team as we know.

1938
01:30:59,258 --> 01:31:01,458
Speaker 4: So yeah, like Mac Jones this week, that's the that's

1939
01:31:01,458 --> 01:31:02,258
Speaker 4: the word on the street, that.

1940
01:31:02,258 --> 01:31:03,617
Speaker 2: Is the word on the streat. I might actually watch

1941
01:31:03,657 --> 01:31:05,458
Speaker 2: that on tape just to see what he looks like.

1942
01:31:05,657 --> 01:31:08,778
Speaker 4: I'm curious. Yeah, I'm curious. He had a good preseason.

1943
01:31:08,978 --> 01:31:11,097
Speaker 2: We could do a Mac Jones minute next week maybe

1944
01:31:11,138 --> 01:31:12,617
Speaker 2: if I if I have time, I think I think

1945
01:31:12,657 --> 01:31:14,537
Speaker 2: we should. Yeah, I'll see if I have time.

1946
01:31:15,138 --> 01:31:18,137
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what if he's like good, he's really good,

1947
01:31:19,378 --> 01:31:19,897
Speaker 4: and I think.

1948
01:31:19,777 --> 01:31:22,378
Speaker 2: We have really good I think he could be serviceable.

1949
01:31:22,537 --> 01:31:24,537
Speaker 4: We always know, I mean, like in this one game,

1950
01:31:24,617 --> 01:31:26,817
Speaker 4: what if he's really good, I think we have a Jones.

1951
01:31:27,458 --> 01:31:31,217
Speaker 4: They are no, they played the Eagles last week. It's Vikings,

1952
01:31:31,978 --> 01:31:34,378
Speaker 4: so it's Brian Flores's Brian Flores.

1953
01:31:34,458 --> 01:31:35,577
Speaker 2: He is not gonna be really good.

1954
01:31:37,418 --> 01:31:41,577
Speaker 4: I think Peterson totally like dumped on Sam Darnald today too.

1955
01:31:41,978 --> 01:31:44,378
Speaker 2: Yikes, Peterson talks at but he he.

1956
01:31:44,577 --> 01:31:46,857
Speaker 4: He, he has his thoughts on quarterbacks. Hung on. I

1957
01:31:46,897 --> 01:31:50,378
Speaker 4: want to see if I can find the quote, so yeah,

1958
01:31:50,577 --> 01:31:54,697
Speaker 4: Peterson or Peterson p E t or p E d

1959
01:31:55,058 --> 01:31:59,418
Speaker 4: Doug Peterson's with the d okay? Uh.

1960
01:32:00,777 --> 01:32:02,458
Speaker 2: Other thing on the Bears that I had a thought

1961
01:32:02,497 --> 01:32:04,337
Speaker 2: on as well, hang.

1962
01:32:04,138 --> 01:32:07,097
Speaker 4: On, Doug Peterson asked earlier why Sam Donald has turned

1963
01:32:07,138 --> 01:32:12,177
Speaker 4: it around this year? Justin Jefferson. I mean, he's not wrong,

1964
01:32:12,458 --> 01:32:15,418
Speaker 4: it's but remember what he said about Mac and the

1965
01:32:15,817 --> 01:32:17,617
Speaker 4: he's not New England anymore. He goes back to his

1966
01:32:17,697 --> 01:32:22,338
Speaker 4: Patriots ways. He's not the fraid just rip on quarterbacks.

1967
01:32:22,418 --> 01:32:23,218
Speaker 2: That's that's not right.

1968
01:32:23,617 --> 01:32:23,777
Speaker 4: Uh.

1969
01:32:24,138 --> 01:32:26,258
Speaker 2: Anyways, the other thing I had a thought on with

1970
01:32:26,338 --> 01:32:30,697
Speaker 2: the Bears is that, you know what, I I was

1971
01:32:30,777 --> 01:32:35,057
Speaker 2: impressed with their process this offseason. And as we start

1972
01:32:35,098 --> 01:32:37,737
Speaker 2: to turn the page into the offseason, we'll obviously have

1973
01:32:37,817 --> 01:32:40,937
Speaker 2: a lot more conversations about this next you know, in

1974
01:32:41,018 --> 01:32:44,737
Speaker 2: the next six months or whatever. But they did all

1975
01:32:44,777 --> 01:32:48,137
Speaker 2: the right things to try to make this thing viable.

1976
01:32:48,418 --> 01:32:52,977
Speaker 2: Like if you're the Patriots trading out of a top pick,

1977
01:32:53,058 --> 01:32:54,897
Speaker 2: Let's say they get the number one pick like Chicago

1978
01:32:54,978 --> 01:32:57,178
Speaker 2: had a couple of years ago. They trade out of

1979
01:32:57,258 --> 01:33:01,137
Speaker 2: it to Carolina. Carolina takes Bryce Young. That obviously hasn't

1980
01:33:01,178 --> 01:33:02,937
Speaker 2: worked out, But that's not the point I'm driving at.

1981
01:33:03,497 --> 01:33:05,937
Speaker 2: The picks that they got back for that trade were insane,

1982
01:33:06,218 --> 01:33:09,178
Speaker 2: Like they got four picks back and DJ Moore. So

1983
01:33:09,298 --> 01:33:14,658
Speaker 2: they've used those picks on Darnell Wright, Tyreg Stevenson. Ironically,

1984
01:33:16,737 --> 01:33:20,817
Speaker 2: now Caleb Caleb was Carolina's pick technically number one overall

1985
01:33:20,897 --> 01:33:25,017
Speaker 2: last year, and then they still have Carolina's twenty twenty

1986
01:33:25,058 --> 01:33:28,218
Speaker 2: five second as well, and then they traded one of

1987
01:33:28,258 --> 01:33:31,617
Speaker 2: the picks for Montees Sweat, and they traded a pick

1988
01:33:31,777 --> 01:33:34,577
Speaker 2: for Keenan Allen right like, and they have all this surplus.

1989
01:33:34,937 --> 01:33:37,177
Speaker 2: So they did a nice job. I think of rebuilding

1990
01:33:37,258 --> 01:33:39,737
Speaker 2: this roster, and I just look at it and think,

1991
01:33:39,937 --> 01:33:43,097
Speaker 2: if Elliott Wolf can pull off something similar, maybe it's

1992
01:33:43,178 --> 01:33:46,458
Speaker 2: not quite the Hall because I don't know if teams

1993
01:33:46,458 --> 01:33:49,058
Speaker 2: are gonna look at any of these quarterbacks like they

1994
01:33:49,138 --> 01:33:52,057
Speaker 2: looked at Bryce Young, but if he can pull off

1995
01:33:52,098 --> 01:33:54,857
Speaker 2: a similar trade down and then just kind of fan

1996
01:33:54,978 --> 01:33:58,298
Speaker 2: out those assets with trades and with draft picks, like

1997
01:33:58,418 --> 01:34:00,298
Speaker 2: I think that this is a pretty good blueprint for

1998
01:34:00,338 --> 01:34:00,937
Speaker 2: the Patriots.

1999
01:34:01,138 --> 01:34:02,977
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean we've used the Texans a lot, but

2000
01:34:03,418 --> 01:34:07,137
Speaker 4: the Bears path is certainly there for its absolutely therefore.

2001
01:34:07,378 --> 01:34:09,378
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, look, the Bears are four and four.

2002
01:34:09,657 --> 01:34:11,817
Speaker 2: They're not terrible. They're not as good as they want

2003
01:34:11,857 --> 01:34:14,058
Speaker 2: to be. The other couple of things I had on

2004
01:34:14,138 --> 01:34:16,497
Speaker 2: the Bears and I want to talk about their defense too.

2005
01:34:18,497 --> 01:34:22,057
Speaker 2: I think Keenan Allen might be kind of washed, Like, yeah,

2006
01:34:22,258 --> 01:34:26,537
Speaker 2: it doesn't look great for him. DJ Moore some weird

2007
01:34:26,657 --> 01:34:28,097
Speaker 2: attitude stuff going.

2008
01:34:27,978 --> 01:34:29,657
Speaker 4: On with it. Walked off the field mid play.

2009
01:34:29,897 --> 01:34:32,098
Speaker 2: Yeah, like walk off the field. His body language on

2010
01:34:32,218 --> 01:34:34,777
Speaker 2: film is terrible. Like remember you're talking about the receivers

2011
01:34:34,777 --> 01:34:36,817
Speaker 2: earlier on in the season with their body language like

2012
01:34:36,897 --> 01:34:40,018
Speaker 2: Polk and Pop Douglas. It's similar with DJ Moore, and

2013
01:34:40,058 --> 01:34:41,977
Speaker 2: I get it, like sometimes he's open and he's not

2014
01:34:42,018 --> 01:34:44,418
Speaker 2: getting the ball and receivers are gonna get frustrated by that.

2015
01:34:44,857 --> 01:34:47,458
Speaker 2: I've never seen a receiver walk off the field like

2016
01:34:47,537 --> 01:34:50,777
Speaker 2: that before mid play. I don't care if you got hurt, Like,

2017
01:34:50,857 --> 01:34:53,737
Speaker 2: I just have never seen that before. That was crazy.

2018
01:34:54,338 --> 01:34:59,537
Speaker 2: His press conference this week was odd, weird, just talking

2019
01:34:59,577 --> 01:35:03,537
Speaker 2: about that situation and just kind of like making light

2020
01:35:03,617 --> 01:35:05,777
Speaker 2: of the fact that he just quit in the middle

2021
01:35:05,817 --> 01:35:08,577
Speaker 2: of a play, and then also kind of not really

2022
01:35:08,697 --> 01:35:10,817
Speaker 2: backing his head coach, like it was just a weird

2023
01:35:10,978 --> 01:35:14,137
Speaker 2: vibe out of him in the press conference. And Roma

2024
01:35:14,218 --> 01:35:16,937
Speaker 2: Dunsay is a good young player, but I think his

2025
01:35:17,058 --> 01:35:19,737
Speaker 2: timing with Caleb is a problem right now. They're still

2026
01:35:19,777 --> 01:35:24,098
Speaker 2: trying to work out. And I haven't necessarily seen the

2027
01:35:24,218 --> 01:35:27,458
Speaker 2: explosive element to Romadonsay's game yet. I think he's a

2028
01:35:27,537 --> 01:35:29,817
Speaker 2: really good receiver at the first two levels of the

2029
01:35:29,897 --> 01:35:33,298
Speaker 2: defense already, but I haven't necessarily seen a guy that's

2030
01:35:33,378 --> 01:35:36,178
Speaker 2: running by anybody or making any putting any fear into

2031
01:35:36,218 --> 01:35:38,657
Speaker 2: anybody down the field. So what I'm trying to get

2032
01:35:38,697 --> 01:35:40,937
Speaker 2: out with all of this is that the Bears offense

2033
01:35:41,058 --> 01:35:44,418
Speaker 2: just looks dysfunctional, like they look kind of broken. Their

2034
01:35:44,458 --> 01:35:49,257
Speaker 2: tape last week was terrible. They're spacing their execution body

2035
01:35:49,378 --> 01:35:51,817
Speaker 2: language like across the board. And this is a team

2036
01:35:51,857 --> 01:35:53,418
Speaker 2: that's four and four and two games out of a

2037
01:35:53,458 --> 01:35:55,697
Speaker 2: playoff spot. It's not like they're out of it, so

2038
01:35:55,817 --> 01:35:59,897
Speaker 2: that whole Bears operation offensively. They're twenty seventh in the

2039
01:35:59,978 --> 01:36:04,218
Speaker 2: league in DVOA. They're just kind of look like a

2040
01:36:04,258 --> 01:36:06,897
Speaker 2: team that sort of quit on the coaching a little bit.

2041
01:36:07,178 --> 01:36:10,258
Speaker 2: I've been surprised to see how far, fast and quick

2042
01:36:10,338 --> 01:36:13,537
Speaker 2: that's fallen off the rails you mentioned earlier in the

2043
01:36:13,617 --> 01:36:16,697
Speaker 2: show Running the Football maybe a little bit this week.

2044
01:36:17,258 --> 01:36:20,857
Speaker 2: This Bears run defenses is horrid. It's very bad. They're

2045
01:36:20,937 --> 01:36:24,137
Speaker 2: thirtieth in DVA against the run. They're very bad against

2046
01:36:24,178 --> 01:36:27,058
Speaker 2: schemes with pullers. So once again I am demanding to

2047
01:36:27,138 --> 01:36:30,338
Speaker 2: see some downhill schemes, some gap schemes, pull, some go

2048
01:36:30,817 --> 01:36:33,657
Speaker 2: and get downhill. At this Bears defense, they are giving

2049
01:36:33,737 --> 01:36:38,577
Speaker 2: up seven yards of carry seven against pulling concepts right,

2050
01:36:38,737 --> 01:36:42,977
Speaker 2: whether it's power, counter, g lead, whatever, seven yards of

2051
01:36:43,058 --> 01:36:46,577
Speaker 2: carry is a huge number, so they are susceptible to that.

2052
01:36:47,298 --> 01:36:49,937
Speaker 2: The two guys that worry me on the Bears defense,

2053
01:36:50,577 --> 01:36:53,857
Speaker 2: obviously Montes Wet if he plays, is a problem out

2054
01:36:53,897 --> 01:36:57,538
Speaker 2: on the outside. Tremaine Edmonds is a really good coverage linebacker,

2055
01:36:57,657 --> 01:37:00,098
Speaker 2: and he's one of those guys that is going to

2056
01:37:00,138 --> 01:37:03,057
Speaker 2: be hunting against a rookie quarterback right for a bad

2057
01:37:03,138 --> 01:37:06,258
Speaker 2: throw over the middle that he can maybe intercept. But

2058
01:37:06,338 --> 01:37:08,338
Speaker 2: what do you see about this Bears defense, because I

2059
01:37:08,418 --> 01:37:11,857
Speaker 2: do think the Patriots might have some trouble passing the ball.

2060
01:37:12,138 --> 01:37:15,258
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good pass defense, but they struggle a

2061
01:37:15,338 --> 01:37:16,097
Speaker 2: lot against the run.

2062
01:37:16,497 --> 01:37:18,298
Speaker 4: I'm with you, to get right game for somebody on

2063
01:37:18,338 --> 01:37:21,018
Speaker 4: the ground, Yeah, to get right game for somebody, but

2064
01:37:21,138 --> 01:37:22,857
Speaker 4: really on both sides of the ball. But yeah, this

2065
01:37:22,937 --> 01:37:25,178
Speaker 4: is a Bears team that it hasn't done a good

2066
01:37:25,258 --> 01:37:27,817
Speaker 4: job against the run by any metric. They're twenty ninth

2067
01:37:27,897 --> 01:37:30,138
Speaker 4: in the league allowing five yards per carry, five even

2068
01:37:30,178 --> 01:37:36,017
Speaker 4: yours per carry. I feel like a broken record because

2069
01:37:36,018 --> 01:37:38,178
Speaker 4: I think we said this, not obviously not last week,

2070
01:37:38,178 --> 01:37:39,458
Speaker 4: but I think we said it two weeks ago, like

2071
01:37:39,537 --> 01:37:41,937
Speaker 4: this is a Patriots chance just start running the ball.

2072
01:37:41,978 --> 01:37:44,137
Speaker 4: But this really is a Patriots chance to start running

2073
01:37:44,138 --> 01:37:46,058
Speaker 4: the ball. And That's what I'm looking at. Like, I

2074
01:37:46,098 --> 01:37:48,098
Speaker 4: don't know that Drake May needs to go out and

2075
01:37:49,258 --> 01:37:52,657
Speaker 4: have this massive game. Obviously people want the quarterback duel

2076
01:37:52,697 --> 01:37:55,418
Speaker 4: between him and Caleb Williams, but I think just as

2077
01:37:55,497 --> 01:37:57,577
Speaker 4: much if the Patriots come out run the ball well

2078
01:37:57,617 --> 01:38:00,137
Speaker 4: and win off that I think you feel good about it. Yeah,

2079
01:38:00,338 --> 01:38:00,857
Speaker 4: I agree.

2080
01:38:01,138 --> 01:38:03,977
Speaker 2: I definitely think this is a game that I would

2081
01:38:04,018 --> 01:38:06,617
Speaker 2: be disappointed if they can't run the ball at all

2082
01:38:06,697 --> 01:38:08,537
Speaker 2: in this game. They should be able to run the

2083
01:38:08,577 --> 01:38:11,098
Speaker 2: ball against the Bears. This is a scheme game to

2084
01:38:11,178 --> 01:38:13,617
Speaker 2: me as much as it is about a mentality thing

2085
01:38:13,657 --> 01:38:15,497
Speaker 2: with the run game. There's a way to run the

2086
01:38:15,537 --> 01:38:18,217
Speaker 2: ball against the Bears. There's a blueprint against the Bears

2087
01:38:18,378 --> 01:38:20,737
Speaker 2: of how to run the football. The Cardinals just did

2088
01:38:20,817 --> 01:38:22,897
Speaker 2: it last week with two hundred and thirteen yards on

2089
01:38:22,978 --> 01:38:26,458
Speaker 2: the ground. Like, just follow the brew print, don't overthink it,

2090
01:38:26,617 --> 01:38:30,097
Speaker 2: don't get too fancy, don't be running outside zone against

2091
01:38:30,098 --> 01:38:32,418
Speaker 2: the team. I can't stop a power scheme right like

2092
01:38:32,577 --> 01:38:36,257
Speaker 2: run downhill out this team, pull some guards, get Ramondre

2093
01:38:36,338 --> 01:38:38,817
Speaker 2: Stevenson going, and then maybe Drake May only has to

2094
01:38:38,897 --> 01:38:41,097
Speaker 2: drop back to past thirty times instead of fifty three

2095
01:38:41,298 --> 01:38:43,937
Speaker 2: and we don't see as many turnovers in as many

2096
01:38:44,058 --> 01:38:48,338
Speaker 2: catastrophic plays. So that's the Bears. I'm really curious about

2097
01:38:48,378 --> 01:38:53,378
Speaker 2: how this goes for Caleb because so far it's been

2098
01:38:53,418 --> 01:38:55,897
Speaker 2: a little bit of what some people that were anti

2099
01:38:56,058 --> 01:38:58,577
Speaker 2: Caleb were worried about. Yeah, they look right so far.

2100
01:38:58,617 --> 01:39:00,378
Speaker 4: And this is gonna be one where like if they lose,

2101
01:39:00,458 --> 01:39:03,418
Speaker 4: for what the national viewers of this Patriots team, Yeah,

2102
01:39:03,577 --> 01:39:05,857
Speaker 4: there's gonna be some big time questions he's gonna have

2103
01:39:05,937 --> 01:39:08,617
Speaker 4: to face. And this was my take on the leadership

2104
01:39:08,737 --> 01:39:11,817
Speaker 4: questions about Caleb Williams coming into the draft, was is

2105
01:39:11,857 --> 01:39:12,657
Speaker 4: he the best leader?

2106
01:39:12,817 --> 01:39:12,857
Speaker 5: Like?

2107
01:39:12,978 --> 01:39:16,977
Speaker 4: No, probably not. If he's winning games, I think he'll

2108
01:39:17,018 --> 01:39:19,097
Speaker 4: be fine. If he's losing games, it doesn't really matter

2109
01:39:19,178 --> 01:39:20,937
Speaker 4: what kind of leader he is because the team's losing.

2110
01:39:21,418 --> 01:39:22,737
Speaker 4: And this is where you're kind of getting to a

2111
01:39:22,777 --> 01:39:26,977
Speaker 4: precipice where is, regardless of how he's handling himself as

2112
01:39:26,978 --> 01:39:28,777
Speaker 4: a leader, is he gonna start losing guys because the

2113
01:39:28,817 --> 01:39:30,017
Speaker 4: results aren't there on the field.

2114
01:39:30,178 --> 01:39:33,977
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. And look, we said some

2115
01:39:34,098 --> 01:39:37,418
Speaker 2: similar things about the Jaguars with Doug Peterson, and obviously

2116
01:39:37,458 --> 01:39:39,737
Speaker 2: the Jaguars played for him in London in that game

2117
01:39:39,777 --> 01:39:42,218
Speaker 2: and they won that game pretty handedly, and and all

2118
01:39:42,258 --> 01:39:45,537
Speaker 2: that stuff sort of quiets down. But nobody's see hotter

2119
01:39:45,697 --> 01:39:48,098
Speaker 2: right now than Matt Eberflus, Like Matt Eberfu's on a

2120
01:39:48,178 --> 01:39:51,537
Speaker 2: red hot seat. They lose on a hail mary against Washington.

2121
01:39:51,897 --> 01:39:54,657
Speaker 2: That was an ugly, ugly sequence for coaching. You know,

2122
01:39:54,737 --> 01:39:56,537
Speaker 2: the free yards that they gave up on the play

2123
01:39:56,577 --> 01:39:59,418
Speaker 2: before the hail mary, the way they defended the Hail Mary.

2124
01:39:59,577 --> 01:40:03,418
Speaker 2: I obviously put most of it on Tyreeks not having yeah,

2125
01:40:03,497 --> 01:40:05,617
Speaker 2: being a knucklehead, but also at the same time, like

2126
01:40:05,737 --> 01:40:08,497
Speaker 2: you know, that's coaching, like that's you need to have

2127
01:40:08,617 --> 01:40:11,857
Speaker 2: your team buttoned up in those big situations. And then

2128
01:40:11,897 --> 01:40:14,138
Speaker 2: they come out the following week against Arizona and get

2129
01:40:14,178 --> 01:40:16,298
Speaker 2: their doors blown off of them by the Cardinals who

2130
01:40:16,378 --> 01:40:20,817
Speaker 2: are frisky, Like the Cardinals have played well, especially lately,

2131
01:40:21,378 --> 01:40:23,298
Speaker 2: but still you go in there and you basically have

2132
01:40:23,418 --> 01:40:26,577
Speaker 2: no offense and you're twenty nine to nine, get blown out,

2133
01:40:26,657 --> 01:40:31,097
Speaker 2: can't stop the run. No offense sounds familiar, like those

2134
01:40:31,098 --> 01:40:34,378
Speaker 2: are bad football team boxes that they are checking. So

2135
01:40:35,458 --> 01:40:38,018
Speaker 2: I would say that if the Bears lose to the

2136
01:40:38,098 --> 01:40:40,218
Speaker 2: Patriots on Sunday, which I picked the Bear so I

2137
01:40:40,258 --> 01:40:42,657
Speaker 2: don't think they will. But if the Patriots beat the

2138
01:40:42,697 --> 01:40:46,378
Speaker 2: Bears on Sunday, if Mattiberflues gets fired Monday morning, I

2139
01:40:46,537 --> 01:40:47,418
Speaker 2: will not be surprised.

2140
01:40:47,458 --> 01:40:48,418
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised either.

2141
01:40:48,497 --> 01:40:51,258
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's either him or Shane Waldron's going

2142
01:40:51,617 --> 01:40:53,258
Speaker 2: I don't know which one might be Waldron, he.

2143
01:40:53,657 --> 01:40:55,777
Speaker 4: Might have it might be Waldron, but somebody. Yeah, I

2144
01:40:55,777 --> 01:40:57,737
Speaker 4: wouldn't be surprised if somebody gets the ax for that.

2145
01:40:57,937 --> 01:41:00,338
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, let's open up to some of

2146
01:41:00,378 --> 01:41:02,577
Speaker 2: these or read some of these emails, I should say,

2147
01:41:02,737 --> 01:41:04,537
Speaker 2: a couple of good ones, and if you want to

2148
01:41:04,617 --> 01:41:06,458
Speaker 2: join in the last twenty minutes here of the show,

2149
01:41:06,537 --> 01:41:09,537
Speaker 2: eight five to five, Pats five hundred is the phone number,

2150
01:41:09,617 --> 01:41:11,657
Speaker 2: and we'll just kind of let you guys take us

2151
01:41:11,697 --> 01:41:14,097
Speaker 2: here to the end at four o'clock, So make sure

2152
01:41:14,497 --> 01:41:16,777
Speaker 2: feel free to call in and give us your take.

2153
01:41:16,897 --> 01:41:20,897
Speaker 2: But we have a lot of emails here Alex about

2154
01:41:21,018 --> 01:41:23,418
Speaker 2: all of our takes, you know, about the coaching and

2155
01:41:23,497 --> 01:41:26,737
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, just asking us why we

2156
01:41:26,897 --> 01:41:32,338
Speaker 2: are not throwing more criticism at and about the front office.

2157
01:41:32,378 --> 01:41:35,857
Speaker 2: And look, I'll just put this out there. In season,

2158
01:41:36,298 --> 01:41:39,378
Speaker 2: I'm not really like too focused on the personnel train,

2159
01:41:39,577 --> 01:41:42,258
Speaker 2: like I yeah, but like right now where I'm in

2160
01:41:42,298 --> 01:41:44,218
Speaker 2: the weeds, like I'm in the trenches, I'm in the

2161
01:41:44,378 --> 01:41:48,138
Speaker 2: x's and o's, I'm on the film like we we

2162
01:41:48,298 --> 01:41:50,577
Speaker 2: are in we love the off season, like we are

2163
01:41:50,617 --> 01:41:53,458
Speaker 2: an off season podcast. But that the time right now

2164
01:41:53,617 --> 01:41:56,817
Speaker 2: is not about the roster. So that's sort of part

2165
01:41:56,857 --> 01:41:59,218
Speaker 2: of why I I don't necessarily bring up Elliott wolf

2166
01:41:59,298 --> 01:41:59,537
Speaker 2: A Ton.

2167
01:41:59,777 --> 01:42:02,458
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, and I think I've said my

2168
01:42:02,577 --> 01:42:05,098
Speaker 4: piece plenty on the construction of this offensive line or

2169
01:42:05,178 --> 01:42:09,258
Speaker 4: lack thereof, like major, major miss. I assume that's because

2170
01:42:09,298 --> 01:42:11,617
Speaker 4: the deadline. I know people with the emails, because the deadline,

2171
01:42:11,617 --> 01:42:14,777
Speaker 4: I know people were upset. The big move was never there.

2172
01:42:15,458 --> 01:42:18,018
Speaker 4: It was just never there, nothing that made sense. I

2173
01:42:18,178 --> 01:42:20,137
Speaker 4: will say, I think it is a miss not moving

2174
01:42:20,218 --> 01:42:23,177
Speaker 4: one of kJ Osborne or Taekwon Thornton, if not both,

2175
01:42:23,617 --> 01:42:25,977
Speaker 4: I understand they want to get value for the player.

2176
01:42:26,537 --> 01:42:28,497
Speaker 4: kJ Osborne is not going to be here next year.

2177
01:42:28,777 --> 01:42:31,777
Speaker 4: Taekwon Thornton maybe because he has another year on his contract.

2178
01:42:31,817 --> 01:42:35,418
Speaker 4: You trade in the offseason whatever. kJ Osborne is not

2179
01:42:35,418 --> 01:42:37,697
Speaker 4: gonna be here for next year. A sixth round pick

2180
01:42:37,817 --> 01:42:40,018
Speaker 4: isn't a lot, but it's something else you have to

2181
01:42:40,098 --> 01:42:41,657
Speaker 4: throw into a trade that you don't have. If you

2182
01:42:41,777 --> 01:42:44,458
Speaker 4: let Osborne walk, even a seventh round pick pick swap

2183
01:42:44,617 --> 01:42:46,497
Speaker 4: right seventh becoming a sixth you don't have that. They

2184
01:42:46,497 --> 01:42:48,218
Speaker 4: have a ton of seventh round picks they could have

2185
01:42:48,258 --> 01:42:51,777
Speaker 4: pick swapped or something. Not getting that deal done is

2186
01:42:51,777 --> 01:42:53,777
Speaker 4: a miss. Yeah, I don't know the I mean, here

2187
01:42:53,817 --> 01:42:55,298
Speaker 4: we go. We did it. We did five minutes on

2188
01:42:55,338 --> 01:42:57,138
Speaker 4: them not getting that deal done. I don't know that

2189
01:42:57,178 --> 01:42:58,497
Speaker 4: we were going to open up the show. I don't

2190
01:42:58,497 --> 01:42:59,977
Speaker 4: know that we were gonna do half an hour on

2191
01:43:00,098 --> 01:43:03,897
Speaker 4: them not trading kJ Osborne. But to your point, I've

2192
01:43:03,978 --> 01:43:06,897
Speaker 4: said my piece on the construction of this roster, it's

2193
01:43:07,537 --> 01:43:09,977
Speaker 4: they were misses this offseason. They were significant misses this

2194
01:43:10,058 --> 01:43:12,657
Speaker 4: offseason in the draft as well. It's looking like but

2195
01:43:13,577 --> 01:43:16,737
Speaker 4: we'll we do that in January. We don't really do

2196
01:43:16,857 --> 01:43:19,098
Speaker 4: a ton of that November because it's just we'll get

2197
01:43:19,138 --> 01:43:21,098
Speaker 4: on the coaching staff in November. We talked about the win,

2198
01:43:21,178 --> 01:43:23,418
Speaker 4: we talked about changing the offensive line. Yeah, that's this

2199
01:43:23,537 --> 01:43:24,338
Speaker 4: time of year. Yeah.

2200
01:43:24,697 --> 01:43:29,617
Speaker 2: My thing on Elliott Wolf, the one thing that I

2201
01:43:29,697 --> 01:43:34,137
Speaker 2: would give him right now is the grace of last

2202
01:43:34,298 --> 01:43:39,657
Speaker 2: off season, him and Grodmeo's first on the job and

2203
01:43:40,098 --> 01:43:42,777
Speaker 2: just being close to it a little bit like obviously

2204
01:43:43,617 --> 01:43:45,897
Speaker 2: I don't want to overplay that, like I'm not close

2205
01:43:45,978 --> 01:43:47,577
Speaker 2: to it, but you know what I'm trying to say,

2206
01:43:49,298 --> 01:43:51,458
Speaker 2: it was a whirlwind, Like it was a lot like

2207
01:43:51,577 --> 01:43:55,617
Speaker 2: you you changed hands, right, you changed regimes? You what

2208
01:43:55,817 --> 01:43:59,097
Speaker 2: the greatest head coach of all time walks out the building.

2209
01:43:59,697 --> 01:44:02,378
Speaker 2: I don't think people realize just how much of a

2210
01:44:03,018 --> 01:44:07,258
Speaker 2: infrastructure Bill had built here over twenty plus years. I

2211
01:44:07,338 --> 01:44:10,418
Speaker 2: know that sounds like it should be obvious. And so

2212
01:44:11,178 --> 01:44:13,897
Speaker 2: a lot was going on. They had a really bad

2213
01:44:14,018 --> 01:44:18,937
Speaker 2: roster that they inherited. They had no quarterback, and they

2214
01:44:19,018 --> 01:44:22,657
Speaker 2: really had no culture or nothing to attract free agents

2215
01:44:22,697 --> 01:44:26,138
Speaker 2: with other than money. So I look at what they

2216
01:44:26,218 --> 01:44:29,098
Speaker 2: did in the off season, and I say, if they

2217
01:44:29,218 --> 01:44:31,977
Speaker 2: came out of that off season last year with Drake

2218
01:44:32,058 --> 01:44:35,657
Speaker 2: May as a franchise quarterback, then I'm not saying that

2219
01:44:35,697 --> 01:44:37,537
Speaker 2: I'm giving them an A, but I'm giving them a

2220
01:44:37,577 --> 01:44:41,057
Speaker 2: passing grade. Right, I give him a C minus at

2221
01:44:41,098 --> 01:44:41,777
Speaker 2: the bare minimum.

2222
01:44:41,857 --> 01:44:44,937
Speaker 4: So I said on the night they took May, I

2223
01:44:45,058 --> 01:44:47,857
Speaker 4: said they had a good draft by drafting Drake May,

2224
01:44:47,897 --> 01:44:50,737
Speaker 4: they had a good draft. The rest of the rounds

2225
01:44:50,777 --> 01:44:53,338
Speaker 4: two through seven will decide if it's a good draft

2226
01:44:53,418 --> 01:44:55,218
Speaker 4: or great draft. And you were not a great. No,

2227
01:44:55,338 --> 01:44:56,857
Speaker 4: we're certainly not a great. But they had a good

2228
01:44:56,937 --> 01:44:59,138
Speaker 4: draft taking Drake Right, there was all the temptation to

2229
01:44:59,178 --> 01:45:01,497
Speaker 4: trade down. Do you move down for JJ McCarthy, Do

2230
01:45:01,577 --> 01:45:04,537
Speaker 4: you take a tackle or receiver? I know it's oh,

2231
01:45:04,657 --> 01:45:07,697
Speaker 4: he made the obvious decision. He didn't. He didn't. He did.

2232
01:45:07,937 --> 01:45:10,017
Speaker 4: A lot of the people saying that are the same

2233
01:45:10,058 --> 01:45:11,697
Speaker 4: people who wanted them to take JJ McCarthy.

2234
01:45:11,857 --> 01:45:14,777
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I just I feel really good about

2235
01:45:14,817 --> 01:45:15,218
Speaker 2: that pick.

2236
01:45:15,338 --> 01:45:16,058
Speaker 4: I think we all do.

2237
01:45:16,897 --> 01:45:19,937
Speaker 2: And they went through free agency. And if you want

2238
01:45:19,937 --> 01:45:22,977
Speaker 2: to blame Elliott Woolf for this, then then fine, Like

2239
01:45:23,018 --> 01:45:24,817
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you how to think. But

2240
01:45:24,937 --> 01:45:28,378
Speaker 2: they went through free agency, and they tried to throw

2241
01:45:28,418 --> 01:45:31,537
Speaker 2: a bag of money at Calvin Ridley, and Calvin Ridley

2242
01:45:31,657 --> 01:45:34,017
Speaker 2: just didn't want to come here. They couldn't attract him

2243
01:45:34,058 --> 01:45:37,178
Speaker 2: to come here. He picked the Titans over the Patriots.

2244
01:45:37,218 --> 01:45:39,577
Speaker 2: But really, just talking to some of the Tennessee people

2245
01:45:39,697 --> 01:45:42,298
Speaker 2: last week in the lead up to that game, they

2246
01:45:42,978 --> 01:45:45,497
Speaker 2: felt like it was never the Patriots versus the Titans.

2247
01:45:45,537 --> 01:45:48,097
Speaker 2: It was really the Titans versus the Jaguars, right going

2248
01:45:48,138 --> 01:45:50,697
Speaker 2: back to Jacksonville, Like the Patriots were kind of the

2249
01:45:50,817 --> 01:45:53,777
Speaker 2: third team and that entire thing. So they couldn't get

2250
01:45:53,857 --> 01:45:56,697
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley, they couldn't lure Calvin Ridley here. So if

2251
01:45:56,697 --> 01:45:59,138
Speaker 2: you want to criticize Elliott wolf for not being a

2252
01:45:59,218 --> 01:46:02,497
Speaker 2: better closer in terms of that deal, then I guess

2253
01:46:02,577 --> 01:46:05,177
Speaker 2: I can hear that, but the top of the market

2254
01:46:05,298 --> 01:46:09,417
Speaker 2: free agents were not interested in signing with the Patriots.

2255
01:46:09,978 --> 01:46:12,737
Speaker 2: They couldn't get those guys to take their money like,

2256
01:46:12,857 --> 01:46:16,218
Speaker 2: they just couldn't. So that was a big piece of it.

2257
01:46:17,657 --> 01:46:20,178
Speaker 2: And then the draft is where I really have my

2258
01:46:20,298 --> 01:46:24,738
Speaker 2: second guesses. But what I'm getting at is next offseason.

2259
01:46:25,258 --> 01:46:27,497
Speaker 2: And I understand that there's not a lot of faith

2260
01:46:27,978 --> 01:46:31,138
Speaker 2: in Elliott Wolf running the show next off season for

2261
01:46:31,218 --> 01:46:34,258
Speaker 2: some people. But next off season to me is the

2262
01:46:34,338 --> 01:46:39,857
Speaker 2: off season where I need to see multiple blue chip

2263
01:46:40,178 --> 01:46:44,137
Speaker 2: caliber players added to this roster. You don't have a quarterback,

2264
01:46:44,218 --> 01:46:46,097
Speaker 2: like you don't need a quarterback. Excuse me, as whatever

2265
01:46:46,298 --> 01:46:49,338
Speaker 2: it's not, it's not on the list. And so now

2266
01:46:49,418 --> 01:46:52,298
Speaker 2: when you have your first round draft pick, you're gonna

2267
01:46:52,298 --> 01:46:54,497
Speaker 2: be taking a position player. You're not gonna be taking

2268
01:46:54,537 --> 01:46:57,458
Speaker 2: a quarterback, which is huge. Don't And and this is

2269
01:46:57,577 --> 01:47:00,218
Speaker 2: maybe another piece of it too for me, as you

2270
01:47:00,298 --> 01:47:02,817
Speaker 2: and I are as big of draft nerds as you'll

2271
01:47:02,857 --> 01:47:05,338
Speaker 2: find in this market, I think I'm comfortable with saying

2272
01:47:05,418 --> 01:47:08,458
Speaker 2: that that we are two of the guys that nerd

2273
01:47:08,537 --> 01:47:10,537
Speaker 2: out more about the draft. I watch them when the

2274
01:47:10,617 --> 01:47:14,057
Speaker 2: time comes that nerd out about the draft more than

2275
01:47:14,178 --> 01:47:18,697
Speaker 2: just about anybody. It is incredibly hard to build your

2276
01:47:18,737 --> 01:47:21,218
Speaker 2: team on Day two and day three picks. So when

2277
01:47:21,258 --> 01:47:23,338
Speaker 2: you take the day one pick out, because that has

2278
01:47:23,418 --> 01:47:26,257
Speaker 2: to go to the quarterback. And what we're really talking

2279
01:47:26,298 --> 01:47:32,218
Speaker 2: about is Cadaen Wallace and Leyden Robinson and Marcella's dial.

2280
01:47:32,418 --> 01:47:34,817
Speaker 4: Especially when you miss runs a key position.

2281
01:47:34,978 --> 01:47:40,217
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jaheim Bell, Like we're talking about guys, Yeah, Javon Baker,

2282
01:47:40,857 --> 01:47:43,378
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk is the one that I will not give them, you.

2283
01:47:43,458 --> 01:47:45,817
Speaker 4: Said day two and three. I know, but what do

2284
01:47:45,857 --> 01:47:47,817
Speaker 4: you mean not give them? What do you mean?

2285
01:47:48,338 --> 01:47:51,497
Speaker 2: I guess I should have rephrased from day two and three.

2286
01:47:51,577 --> 01:47:54,737
Speaker 2: You're right, I did phrase it that way. Outside of

2287
01:47:54,777 --> 01:47:57,577
Speaker 2: the top fifty, all right. Anything outside of the top

2288
01:47:57,657 --> 01:48:00,857
Speaker 2: fifty to me is you're you're playing darts. Yeah, you're

2289
01:48:00,937 --> 01:48:01,458
Speaker 2: throwing dart.

2290
01:48:01,497 --> 01:48:02,737
Speaker 4: You want to hit on one or two of those

2291
01:48:02,777 --> 01:48:03,338
Speaker 4: guys ideally?

2292
01:48:03,497 --> 01:48:06,378
Speaker 2: Yeah, And when you say hit, it's that they can

2293
01:48:06,458 --> 01:48:08,657
Speaker 2: play in the NFL. It's not that those guys are

2294
01:48:08,737 --> 01:48:11,617
Speaker 2: star players for you on your team. It's that you

2295
01:48:11,777 --> 01:48:14,298
Speaker 2: hit on a guy, uh, you know, in the third

2296
01:48:14,458 --> 01:48:18,338
Speaker 2: round that can competently play the position you drafted him.

2297
01:48:18,378 --> 01:48:21,897
Speaker 2: To play. That's a different conversation than what the Patriots see.

2298
01:48:21,897 --> 01:48:26,258
Speaker 2: The Patriots need frontline, blue chip, top of the roster talent,

2299
01:48:26,817 --> 01:48:30,338
Speaker 2: so they're not talking about guys that just fill in

2300
01:48:30,537 --> 01:48:34,937
Speaker 2: the roster. Right, So I give them that grace because

2301
01:48:35,737 --> 01:48:38,657
Speaker 2: this off season they're gonna have one hundred million dollars

2302
01:48:38,697 --> 01:48:41,537
Speaker 2: in cap space. I don't I gave him one off

2303
01:48:41,577 --> 01:48:43,617
Speaker 2: season for the excuse that nobody wants to come here.

2304
01:48:43,657 --> 01:48:44,577
Speaker 2: I don't give you two.

2305
01:48:44,897 --> 01:48:47,098
Speaker 4: Right now that they've seen Drake May, the hope is.

2306
01:48:47,138 --> 01:48:49,737
Speaker 2: That close the deal?

2307
01:48:50,298 --> 01:48:50,418
Speaker 3: Uh?

2308
01:48:50,978 --> 01:48:53,777
Speaker 4: And then Drake May. Remember when they sent Tom Brady

2309
01:48:53,857 --> 01:48:56,458
Speaker 4: and Kelly Olynnock to try to send Kevin Durant signed

2310
01:48:56,497 --> 01:48:58,418
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant? Where's that on the cape on the Vineyard?

2311
01:48:58,458 --> 01:49:01,858
Speaker 2: It was actually as actually the Hampton and the Hampton's.

2312
01:49:01,497 --> 01:49:05,817
Speaker 4: Whatever, Get Drake May and throw Jason Tatum on the

2313
01:49:05,857 --> 01:49:08,737
Speaker 4: Oh no it'll be April. He'll be playing, but maybe

2314
01:49:08,737 --> 01:49:10,418
Speaker 4: they have an off day. Throw Jason Tatum on the

2315
01:49:10,458 --> 01:49:11,897
Speaker 4: plane out there to go get your receiver.

2316
01:49:12,098 --> 01:49:15,497
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that that's I gave him one off season

2317
01:49:15,617 --> 01:49:17,617
Speaker 2: with that, right, You really don't have an identity, you

2318
01:49:17,697 --> 01:49:19,777
Speaker 2: don't have a culture. Nobody knows what's going on here.

2319
01:49:19,897 --> 01:49:23,098
Speaker 2: It's it's a tough situation to walk into as a

2320
01:49:23,298 --> 01:49:26,777
Speaker 2: free agent with options like Calvin Ridley, like picking the

2321
01:49:26,817 --> 01:49:29,978
Speaker 2: Patriots in that spot, it was always a little bit unrealistic.

2322
01:49:30,537 --> 01:49:33,257
Speaker 2: So I gave him that for one year. Next offseason,

2323
01:49:33,298 --> 01:49:36,338
Speaker 2: I don't give him that. And with the draft right now,

2324
01:49:36,458 --> 01:49:38,697
Speaker 2: and it's early, and I know everybody's kind of has

2325
01:49:38,777 --> 01:49:40,857
Speaker 2: this take right now that the draft stinks sat aside

2326
01:49:40,857 --> 01:49:43,937
Speaker 2: of Drake May, but calling for what it is, it

2327
01:49:44,218 --> 01:49:44,937
Speaker 2: doesn't look like a.

2328
01:49:44,937 --> 01:49:46,378
Speaker 4: Great draft anything.

2329
01:49:46,497 --> 01:49:49,418
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the pick that I really hold against them

2330
01:49:49,418 --> 01:49:53,697
Speaker 2: a lot is Jalen Polk. And again, just like with Caleb,

2331
01:49:53,817 --> 01:49:56,817
Speaker 2: this isn't revisionist history. I wrote it at the time,

2332
01:49:57,378 --> 01:49:59,777
Speaker 2: I wasn't the biggest fan of Jalen Polk's coming into

2333
01:49:59,817 --> 01:50:01,697
Speaker 2: this draft. I'm not saying I thought that he's stunk

2334
01:50:01,978 --> 01:50:04,777
Speaker 2: or couldn't play. I definitely didn't see this Like I

2335
01:50:04,817 --> 01:50:07,817
Speaker 2: thought that he was going to be like everybody else

2336
01:50:07,937 --> 01:50:11,977
Speaker 2: kind of did, like a steady Jacoby Meyers, Tyler Boyd

2337
01:50:12,138 --> 01:50:15,737
Speaker 2: maybe you know, type of player. Like I thought that

2338
01:50:15,857 --> 01:50:18,258
Speaker 2: that was sort of where he was going to fit

2339
01:50:18,378 --> 01:50:23,378
Speaker 2: into an NFL hierarchy, probably like a solid to low

2340
01:50:23,497 --> 01:50:27,817
Speaker 2: end number two receiver, right, And that's good. The Patriots

2341
01:50:27,857 --> 01:50:30,378
Speaker 2: needed somebody like that. I think they still need somebody

2342
01:50:30,657 --> 01:50:35,298
Speaker 2: like that. But my concerns with him are all the

2343
01:50:35,418 --> 01:50:38,897
Speaker 2: concerns that we're seeing on the field, you know, which

2344
01:50:38,978 --> 01:50:44,617
Speaker 2: is separation ability, diamondamic route running ability, the reliance on

2345
01:50:44,897 --> 01:50:48,777
Speaker 2: contested catches or catches in traffic, and finishing through contact.

2346
01:50:49,218 --> 01:50:51,857
Speaker 2: It's one thing to finish through contact and make all

2347
01:50:51,897 --> 01:50:55,817
Speaker 2: those contested catches playing at the college level. This level,

2348
01:50:55,897 --> 01:50:59,138
Speaker 2: the physicality is much more significant. And maybe it's just

2349
01:50:59,178 --> 01:51:02,058
Speaker 2: an adjudtment that he has to go through, but he

2350
01:51:02,338 --> 01:51:04,977
Speaker 2: that skill was always going to make or break his

2351
01:51:05,138 --> 01:51:07,817
Speaker 2: NFL career. Yeah, whether he could finish through contact at

2352
01:51:07,857 --> 01:51:10,977
Speaker 2: this level or not was always going to determine his

2353
01:51:11,138 --> 01:51:13,777
Speaker 2: success or failure in the NFL, and so far he

2354
01:51:13,857 --> 01:51:16,817
Speaker 2: hasn't been able to. So right now, that pick is

2355
01:51:16,857 --> 01:51:20,418
Speaker 2: looking trending towards the wrong direction. I hate using the

2356
01:51:20,458 --> 01:51:23,338
Speaker 2: word bust this early on in a player's career, but

2357
01:51:23,458 --> 01:51:25,177
Speaker 2: it's not trending in a great direction.

2358
01:51:25,298 --> 01:51:25,378
Speaker 3: Well.

2359
01:51:25,418 --> 01:51:27,298
Speaker 4: I also think when you look at and there was

2360
01:51:27,338 --> 01:51:29,937
Speaker 4: reporting at the time that they were considering moving into

2361
01:51:29,937 --> 01:51:32,298
Speaker 4: the back end the first round and yeah, whether that

2362
01:51:32,418 --> 01:51:35,057
Speaker 4: be for a receiver like Xavier ly Get or maybe

2363
01:51:35,098 --> 01:51:37,537
Speaker 4: a tackle. You know, what would that have cost? Probably

2364
01:51:37,617 --> 01:51:41,298
Speaker 4: that what was it, thirty fifth pick that that whatever

2365
01:51:41,298 --> 01:51:43,537
Speaker 4: their original second round pick was thirty fifth, thirty six,

2366
01:51:43,617 --> 01:51:46,137
Speaker 4: and you had all those picks, stock Pole in the fourth.

2367
01:51:46,657 --> 01:51:50,018
Speaker 4: So if you could Jalen Polk and then one of

2368
01:51:50,258 --> 01:51:55,057
Speaker 4: Leyden Robinson or Javon Baker. Yeah, instead of those guys,

2369
01:51:55,098 --> 01:51:56,777
Speaker 4: you could have had xavierly Get, or you could have

2370
01:51:56,817 --> 01:52:01,298
Speaker 4: had Tyler Geitton or whoever. Right, Patrick Paulman like starting

2371
01:52:01,298 --> 01:52:03,897
Speaker 4: to look like maybe investing those picks and moving up

2372
01:52:04,657 --> 01:52:05,577
Speaker 4: might have helped them out more.

2373
01:52:05,937 --> 01:52:08,817
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough one and I think it's also tough.

2374
01:52:08,857 --> 01:52:11,697
Speaker 2: And I again, you can go look up my wide

2375
01:52:11,737 --> 01:52:15,937
Speaker 2: receiver rankings, Like you traded the pick that was Lad McConkie,

2376
01:52:16,497 --> 01:52:19,017
Speaker 2: and Lad McConkie's had a much better rookie season than

2377
01:52:19,098 --> 01:52:21,537
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk has has been much more productive.

2378
01:52:21,418 --> 01:52:22,537
Speaker 4: And Ladi McConkie's.

2379
01:52:22,577 --> 01:52:24,777
Speaker 2: The difference between the two of them was Lad McConkie

2380
01:52:24,897 --> 01:52:27,058
Speaker 2: was much better and more dynamic at the top of

2381
01:52:27,098 --> 01:52:29,218
Speaker 2: his routes to create separation. He was a much better,

2382
01:52:29,897 --> 01:52:32,497
Speaker 2: more you know not much better route runner necessarily, but

2383
01:52:32,617 --> 01:52:35,937
Speaker 2: like just a more dynamic route runner, more explosive route runner.

2384
01:52:36,418 --> 01:52:39,178
Speaker 2: Then Jalen Polk was in college and so far Lad

2385
01:52:39,338 --> 01:52:42,057
Speaker 2: McConkie has been a hit for the Chargers and your

2386
01:52:42,098 --> 01:52:45,458
Speaker 2: guy hasn't been. So that group of five we always

2387
01:52:45,537 --> 01:52:50,017
Speaker 2: said this at the time. You know, Polk, mcconkee, leget Coleman,

2388
01:52:50,178 --> 01:52:53,057
Speaker 2: Kean coleman in Buffalo. I think there was one more

2389
01:52:53,178 --> 01:52:55,737
Speaker 2: right that went and that uh in that run in

2390
01:52:55,817 --> 01:53:01,378
Speaker 2: the early second Rad McConkie, McConkie, Coleman, Polk.

2391
01:53:02,697 --> 01:53:04,378
Speaker 4: There's one. There's one or two more. I think that

2392
01:53:04,537 --> 01:53:07,298
Speaker 4: was it. Like well, Brian Thomas Junior went no, no,

2393
01:53:07,418 --> 01:53:10,298
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna like like twenty twenty five draft hang.

2394
01:53:10,218 --> 01:53:13,018
Speaker 2: On well Worthy obviously is one of them too, but

2395
01:53:13,058 --> 01:53:14,977
Speaker 2: he was a worthy one of twenty eight. Yeah.

2396
01:53:15,138 --> 01:53:18,817
Speaker 4: Oh, Piersall went at thirty one, get Coleman. So four

2397
01:53:18,857 --> 01:53:21,138
Speaker 4: in a row. Pierre saw to get Coleman, McConkie, the

2398
01:53:21,218 --> 01:53:23,537
Speaker 4: last two picks the first, the first two picks of

2399
01:53:23,537 --> 01:53:25,977
Speaker 4: the second, Patriots had the mconkee pick. They traded out.

2400
01:53:26,258 --> 01:53:27,937
Speaker 4: They moved down a couple spots for a Polk.

2401
01:53:28,258 --> 01:53:30,737
Speaker 2: So he's going to be compared to those guys, fair

2402
01:53:30,817 --> 01:53:32,537
Speaker 2: or not, for the rest of his NFL career, And

2403
01:53:32,617 --> 01:53:34,938
Speaker 2: right now it's looking like all those guys are contributing

2404
01:53:35,058 --> 01:53:38,817
Speaker 2: more to their teams than Jalen Polk. Although I will

2405
01:53:38,857 --> 01:53:41,577
Speaker 2: take a small victory lap on Keon Coleman because yeah,

2406
01:53:41,657 --> 01:53:43,857
Speaker 2: he's been great. Yeah he's been exactly what I thought.

2407
01:53:43,937 --> 01:53:47,138
Speaker 2: All right, let's take this call from Tim and and

2408
01:53:47,138 --> 01:53:48,817
Speaker 2: then we'll wrap up the show. What's up Tim?

2409
01:53:50,418 --> 01:53:53,497
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, let's do a Boston Sports minute here. My

2410
01:53:53,617 --> 01:53:55,897
Speaker 6: Celtics will loss bother you at all. I'm not sure

2411
01:53:55,897 --> 01:53:57,697
Speaker 6: how many teams would be in that game down two

2412
01:53:57,697 --> 01:53:59,777
Speaker 6: of the three best players, but I mean it was

2413
01:53:59,817 --> 01:54:01,577
Speaker 6: the first good defense they faced, and they got held

2414
01:54:01,577 --> 01:54:03,537
Speaker 6: to forty points in the first half. I mean, I'm

2415
01:54:03,577 --> 01:54:05,218
Speaker 6: glad they figured it out in the third, but still

2416
01:54:05,258 --> 01:54:07,737
Speaker 6: a little worrying. What do you guys think about Kada?

2417
01:54:07,978 --> 01:54:09,097
Speaker 6: Do you see anything real in him?

2418
01:54:09,817 --> 01:54:10,857
Speaker 2: I love this help out there.

2419
01:54:10,937 --> 01:54:14,537
Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for the car literally talking about this earlier a.

2420
01:54:14,537 --> 01:54:18,098
Speaker 2: Little Boston Sports minute. Why God threw a throwback my

2421
01:54:18,258 --> 01:54:21,177
Speaker 2: thoughts on the Celtics. I am never going to panic

2422
01:54:21,338 --> 01:54:24,378
Speaker 2: over a game in November. It's just way too early

2423
01:54:24,458 --> 01:54:26,737
Speaker 2: in the season for me to feel that way, and

2424
01:54:26,777 --> 01:54:30,097
Speaker 2: they've really played great outside of this first half last

2425
01:54:30,218 --> 01:54:34,418
Speaker 2: night in that game, But I would say that the

2426
01:54:34,538 --> 01:54:38,138
Speaker 2: one thing that does concern me, like a tiny little bit,

2427
01:54:38,338 --> 01:54:40,977
Speaker 2: I guess with the Celtics is that right now they've

2428
01:54:40,978 --> 01:54:44,017
Speaker 2: been really reliant on like Peyton Pritchard and Derek White

2429
01:54:44,138 --> 01:54:47,458
Speaker 2: and those guys just unking up threes and making them

2430
01:54:48,098 --> 01:54:50,217
Speaker 2: a little bit too much. But maybe that's just because

2431
01:54:50,298 --> 01:54:52,897
Speaker 2: you know, Brezingis and Jalen are Is playing and they

2432
01:54:53,058 --> 01:54:55,178
Speaker 2: become a little bit more balanced. So once those guys

2433
01:54:55,258 --> 01:54:58,538
Speaker 2: get back. But overall, I'm not concerned at all. I'm

2434
01:54:58,578 --> 01:54:59,418
Speaker 2: not super concerned.

2435
01:54:59,498 --> 01:55:02,458
Speaker 4: One thing from last night, and you kind of mentioned

2436
01:55:02,498 --> 01:55:04,458
Speaker 4: that the need to make threes with the Warriors didn't

2437
01:55:04,458 --> 01:55:06,378
Speaker 4: I don't know why they didn't do it. More was

2438
01:55:06,538 --> 01:55:09,897
Speaker 4: they just came right up and played essentially like when

2439
01:55:09,937 --> 01:55:12,138
Speaker 4: I say press coverage, I mean in the football sense. Yeah,

2440
01:55:12,218 --> 01:55:14,258
Speaker 4: press coverage of the on the guys with the ball

2441
01:55:14,498 --> 01:55:16,897
Speaker 4: and dared them to drive to the basket. And that

2442
01:55:17,018 --> 01:55:19,218
Speaker 4: possession the last possession at the end of the first half.

2443
01:55:19,538 --> 01:55:21,738
Speaker 4: Here we go again, talking possession at the end of

2444
01:55:21,778 --> 01:55:24,738
Speaker 4: the first half. It's it's I think it was was

2445
01:55:24,818 --> 01:55:28,378
Speaker 4: Derek White and Drew Holliday or Peyton Pritchard and Drew Holiday.

2446
01:55:29,458 --> 01:55:30,858
Speaker 4: The two of them are just kind of stay next

2447
01:55:30,858 --> 01:55:32,698
Speaker 4: to each other at the top of the key, passing

2448
01:55:32,738 --> 01:55:35,298
Speaker 4: the ball back and forth. Well, the Warriors defenders are

2449
01:55:35,338 --> 01:55:37,977
Speaker 4: right there in their chest, like Tatum needed to move

2450
01:55:38,058 --> 01:55:40,017
Speaker 4: off the ball or go to the basket or something.

2451
01:55:40,098 --> 01:55:42,977
Speaker 4: And it goes back to what's been a core problem

2452
01:55:43,058 --> 01:55:45,017
Speaker 4: for this team, which is when the three is not falling,

2453
01:55:45,098 --> 01:55:48,257
Speaker 4: what's playing b playing. Bee has been attacking the basket,

2454
01:55:48,338 --> 01:55:50,937
Speaker 4: but their two best players in attacking the basket are

2455
01:55:51,018 --> 01:55:54,098
Speaker 4: Jalen Brown and Chris SOPs Porzingis. So, you know, to

2456
01:55:54,258 --> 01:55:57,057
Speaker 4: lose by six the way they played without those two guys,

2457
01:55:57,138 --> 01:56:00,658
Speaker 4: I'm not super worried about it, you know, late in

2458
01:56:00,738 --> 01:56:02,818
Speaker 4: the game. I think they could have had some better possessions.

2459
01:56:03,218 --> 01:56:05,058
Speaker 4: The one thing is like, yeah, it would have been

2460
01:56:05,098 --> 01:56:07,298
Speaker 4: nice to beat Steve Kerr after the whole Olympics thing.

2461
01:56:07,338 --> 01:56:10,138
Speaker 4: But Tatum played well. I do like Kita now you

2462
01:56:10,338 --> 01:56:11,977
Speaker 4: put him, you called it Robert Wakes.

2463
01:56:12,618 --> 01:56:14,098
Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a second. All right, just

2464
01:56:14,178 --> 01:56:16,218
Speaker 2: one really quick thought and then we'll get to that.

2465
01:56:16,778 --> 01:56:19,498
Speaker 2: So last night. One thing that I did notice, and

2466
01:56:19,618 --> 01:56:23,418
Speaker 2: they love the high pick and roll action, and the

2467
01:56:23,578 --> 01:56:27,458
Speaker 2: Warriors kept on pushing them to further and further out,

2468
01:56:27,818 --> 01:56:29,818
Speaker 2: and so now all of a sudden, the high pick

2469
01:56:29,858 --> 01:56:31,498
Speaker 2: and roll is happening like almost at.

2470
01:56:31,418 --> 01:56:33,458
Speaker 4: Half court, right, but you're not able to just pull

2471
01:56:33,538 --> 01:56:33,937
Speaker 4: up the three.

2472
01:56:34,058 --> 01:56:36,578
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I thought that was a big reason why.

2473
01:56:36,818 --> 01:56:39,538
Speaker 2: And you know, we'll get to Takeda here in a second,

2474
01:56:39,618 --> 01:56:43,298
Speaker 2: but the big reason why they're saying the Celtics were

2475
01:56:43,298 --> 01:56:46,218
Speaker 2: really successful with the high pick and roll is that

2476
01:56:46,338 --> 01:56:49,818
Speaker 2: they they had that ability to get to the nail

2477
01:56:50,098 --> 01:56:52,018
Speaker 2: right right at the free throw line. And when you

2478
01:56:52,058 --> 01:56:53,897
Speaker 2: get to the nail, and then you would always have

2479
01:56:53,937 --> 01:56:55,778
Speaker 2: a guy in the dunker spot, right, and it just

2480
01:56:55,897 --> 01:56:58,138
Speaker 2: kind of opens up almost like in football, where you

2481
01:56:58,258 --> 01:57:00,458
Speaker 2: have like levels to the offense where you have like

2482
01:57:00,538 --> 01:57:02,658
Speaker 2: the three point shooter, you have the guy at the

2483
01:57:02,738 --> 01:57:04,498
Speaker 2: nail at the free throw line, and then you have

2484
01:57:04,578 --> 01:57:06,698
Speaker 2: the guy in the dunker spot right by the basket.

2485
01:57:07,018 --> 01:57:09,258
Speaker 2: And when the Warriors were pushing them out, like how

2486
01:57:09,298 --> 01:57:12,018
Speaker 2: many times I felt like Jason Tatum high pick and

2487
01:57:12,138 --> 01:57:16,217
Speaker 2: roll is getting the ball at like almost on the logo,

2488
01:57:16,498 --> 01:57:18,498
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, this doesn't know good like you

2489
01:57:18,538 --> 01:57:21,538
Speaker 2: can't shoot from out here. So yeah, I saw a

2490
01:57:21,578 --> 01:57:23,978
Speaker 2: little bit of that with the Warriors defense.

2491
01:57:23,618 --> 01:57:25,698
Speaker 4: And now you look for and look, it'll change when

2492
01:57:25,858 --> 01:57:27,698
Speaker 4: when Brad they were able to play that way because

2493
01:57:27,818 --> 01:57:30,057
Speaker 4: Brown and more importantly Porzingis weren't in their play. Yeah,

2494
01:57:30,458 --> 01:57:32,937
Speaker 4: a little bit of a blueprint game maybe for the Celtics,

2495
01:57:32,978 --> 01:57:35,498
Speaker 4: showing a way to play them and we'll see, Like

2496
01:57:35,578 --> 01:57:39,418
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised, it's I know if the Nets Friday,

2497
01:57:39,458 --> 01:57:41,937
Speaker 4: their next big game is they have the Hawks for

2498
01:57:42,058 --> 01:57:44,858
Speaker 4: the NBA Cup, I think one Monday or Tuesday.

2499
01:57:44,897 --> 01:57:46,298
Speaker 2: I kind of like the NBA Cup? Is that a

2500
01:57:46,338 --> 01:57:46,778
Speaker 2: bad take?

2501
01:57:46,858 --> 01:57:47,458
Speaker 4: I hate that?

2502
01:57:47,538 --> 01:57:47,858
Speaker 3: I like it.

2503
01:57:47,978 --> 01:57:50,177
Speaker 4: I wish they didn't nonsense with the floors.

2504
01:57:50,698 --> 01:57:53,578
Speaker 2: The floors non like I remember last year when they

2505
01:57:53,618 --> 01:57:55,258
Speaker 2: had to score a certain amount of points to make

2506
01:57:55,298 --> 01:57:56,618
Speaker 2: the knock around. I was into it.

2507
01:57:56,818 --> 01:57:59,138
Speaker 4: Look it's fun, it makes it early it Now I

2508
01:57:59,218 --> 01:58:01,298
Speaker 4: worry they're going to expand it like every good thing,

2509
01:58:01,418 --> 01:58:02,378
Speaker 4: like don't take it too.

2510
01:58:02,338 --> 01:58:05,778
Speaker 2: Far, but give your quick anyway, because.

2511
01:58:05,698 --> 01:58:07,977
Speaker 4: They well it's I wouldn't be surprised they start seeing

2512
01:58:07,978 --> 01:58:09,818
Speaker 4: that defense from they have like the Hawks, they have

2513
01:58:10,818 --> 01:58:13,618
Speaker 4: the Calves coming up. He's a good player. He's a

2514
01:58:13,698 --> 01:58:17,137
Speaker 4: good player. You know how how I've long been annoyed

2515
01:58:17,178 --> 01:58:20,378
Speaker 4: that they don't seem to value height or size or

2516
01:58:20,498 --> 01:58:22,818
Speaker 4: ability at the rim. They played basketball and they don't

2517
01:58:22,897 --> 01:58:24,738
Speaker 4: like tall guys. It's true, but like you have a

2518
01:58:24,858 --> 01:58:28,418
Speaker 4: seven footer can't shoot a lick, but he can. He's

2519
01:58:28,458 --> 01:58:30,338
Speaker 4: a factor at the rim on both ends of the floor.

2520
01:58:30,698 --> 01:58:32,338
Speaker 4: Not saying that has to be your superstar. He's not

2521
01:58:32,458 --> 01:58:34,618
Speaker 4: prime shack. They shouldn't treat him like it. But he

2522
01:58:34,738 --> 01:58:36,858
Speaker 4: can give you a good ten to twelve minutes a night.

2523
01:58:36,937 --> 01:58:39,658
Speaker 4: And when he comes in the game, the energy changes

2524
01:58:39,698 --> 01:58:42,218
Speaker 4: every time. When they put him in late in the third,

2525
01:58:42,298 --> 01:58:44,578
Speaker 4: early in the fourth quarter and he blocks a shot

2526
01:58:44,738 --> 01:58:46,057
Speaker 4: or he puts down to the you know, a big

2527
01:58:46,098 --> 01:58:48,818
Speaker 4: alley oop or something, and like for these teams that

2528
01:58:48,937 --> 01:58:51,218
Speaker 4: are going to defend the Celtics and take away the three,

2529
01:58:52,378 --> 01:58:54,097
Speaker 4: they kind of have to change it up a little

2530
01:58:54,098 --> 01:58:56,017
Speaker 4: bit when he's on the floor. So I don't think

2531
01:58:56,018 --> 01:58:59,578
Speaker 4: he's Robert Williams. Robert Williams was another level of explosive.

2532
01:58:59,698 --> 01:59:02,738
Speaker 4: That was my comparison. He Robert willis a Rober Williams

2533
01:59:02,738 --> 01:59:03,578
Speaker 4: also six nine.

2534
01:59:03,538 --> 01:59:06,258
Speaker 2: But he's like, at worst right now, the way he's

2535
01:59:06,258 --> 01:59:09,418
Speaker 2: playing right now, he's like discount Robert Williams. Right, he

2536
01:59:09,658 --> 01:59:10,337
Speaker 2: so Robert.

2537
01:59:10,098 --> 01:59:12,418
Speaker 4: Williams remember had that little bit of a jumper. He

2538
01:59:12,538 --> 01:59:14,738
Speaker 4: could also run up and down the floor. Kita is

2539
01:59:14,778 --> 01:59:17,178
Speaker 4: not as big of a part of the fast break. Yeah,

2540
01:59:17,298 --> 01:59:21,818
Speaker 4: and Rob Rob right, but like again, I think just

2541
01:59:21,897 --> 01:59:25,178
Speaker 4: giving you I'm trying to I'm blanking on the name.

2542
01:59:25,178 --> 01:59:26,458
Speaker 4: Who's the guy that had a couple of years ago

2543
01:59:26,498 --> 01:59:28,738
Speaker 4: they got at the trade deadline and he was just like, no,

2544
01:59:28,937 --> 01:59:32,258
Speaker 4: they didn't. He played in Toronto for a long time. Toronto.

2545
01:59:32,538 --> 01:59:34,658
Speaker 2: No, uh are you thinking of Capella?

2546
01:59:34,818 --> 01:59:34,858
Speaker 3: No?

2547
01:59:34,978 --> 01:59:36,618
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it was that's who I think

2548
01:59:36,658 --> 01:59:39,017
Speaker 2: of when Seuta he's bigger.

2549
01:59:39,778 --> 01:59:41,338
Speaker 4: He wasn't like a great player, but.

2550
01:59:42,018 --> 01:59:44,698
Speaker 2: He's an energy big you know that's what that's Okada

2551
01:59:44,897 --> 01:59:45,618
Speaker 2: is and uh.

2552
01:59:45,778 --> 01:59:48,578
Speaker 4: Amir Johnson Oh yeah yeah. So it's were like he

2553
01:59:48,618 --> 01:59:50,578
Speaker 4: didn't play a lot, but they put him here Johnson

2554
01:59:50,618 --> 01:59:52,258
Speaker 4: in the game with all these shooters around him, and

2555
01:59:52,258 --> 01:59:54,858
Speaker 4: he was just like, all right, you can't totally crash

2556
01:59:54,978 --> 01:59:56,858
Speaker 4: the three point line. Yeah, because we have this guy

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01:59:56,858 --> 01:59:58,897
Speaker 4: and he'd give him, he'd give him ever play. He

2558
01:59:59,018 --> 01:59:59,818
Speaker 4: was also six or nine.

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01:59:59,818 --> 02:00:03,818
Speaker 2: But I like Kida perfect uh rim running five like

2560
02:00:03,978 --> 02:00:06,618
Speaker 2: you know, just exactly what they need for their type

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02:00:06,618 --> 02:00:09,338
Speaker 2: of offense, and they're gonna be spaced in five out

2562
02:00:09,378 --> 02:00:10,778
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. So now you have

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Speaker 2: a guy that can you know, be there at the

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02:00:13,538 --> 02:00:16,338
Speaker 2: rim with offensive rebound, dunk on dudes, all that kind

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02:00:16,378 --> 02:00:18,897
Speaker 2: of stuff. I really like his game and I like

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02:00:18,978 --> 02:00:21,578
Speaker 2: how his game fits with them, And I also think

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02:00:21,618 --> 02:00:23,458
Speaker 2: that you know, you look at the East and you

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02:00:23,498 --> 02:00:25,018
Speaker 2: look at some of the teams they might need to

2569
02:00:25,098 --> 02:00:28,977
Speaker 2: go through, like imagine in a series against Joel Embiid

2570
02:00:29,018 --> 02:00:31,018
Speaker 2: in the sixers, and yeah, he's going to be a

2571
02:00:31,058 --> 02:00:32,897
Speaker 2: pain in the butt to joelan and be because.

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Speaker 4: Of how energetic he assuming place. You got another one

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02:00:35,698 --> 02:00:36,778
Speaker 4: like Jared Allen good.

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02:00:36,658 --> 02:00:39,057
Speaker 2: Play, yeah, yeah, just you know, painting the butt guy

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02:00:39,178 --> 02:00:41,498
Speaker 2: that you know, Joelan b doesn't want to run around

2576
02:00:41,578 --> 02:00:43,178
Speaker 2: with a guy like that, Like he doesn't want to

2577
02:00:43,258 --> 02:00:45,618
Speaker 2: hustle on the boards with a guy like that. Uh

2578
02:00:45,698 --> 02:00:48,097
Speaker 2: that That's what That's what Keida brings to the table.

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02:00:48,138 --> 02:00:48,937
Speaker 2: So I do like him.

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02:00:49,937 --> 02:00:52,017
Speaker 4: He tailed Celtics talk going to catch twenty two.

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02:00:52,218 --> 02:00:54,738
Speaker 2: There you go and see that some people definitely shut

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02:00:54,818 --> 02:00:56,658
Speaker 2: us off. That's okay. We were two hours into the

2583
02:00:56,698 --> 02:00:59,458
Speaker 2: show anyways, and we had uh, We're about to wrap

2584
02:00:59,538 --> 02:01:02,658
Speaker 2: it up really quickly to end this Boston Sports minute.

2585
02:01:02,658 --> 02:01:05,897
Speaker 2: You have thirty seconds on the Red Sox offseason where

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02:01:05,937 --> 02:01:09,258
Speaker 2: they are apparently suitors for Juan Soto, which none of

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Speaker 2: us believe.

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02:01:09,937 --> 02:01:12,538
Speaker 4: I don't know about once I've seen today. Like Taoscar Hernandez,

2589
02:01:12,538 --> 02:01:16,658
Speaker 4: Garrett Crochet would be good additions, would be Righty's please?

2590
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Speaker 3: Right?

2591
02:01:17,258 --> 02:01:20,217
Speaker 2: He sound so much like White Sox. We're not on Soo,

2592
02:01:20,298 --> 02:01:23,378
Speaker 2: but we're gonna go for uh, Tioscar Hernandez.

2593
02:01:23,658 --> 02:01:26,258
Speaker 4: Look, they're never gonna get soda. If they added like

2594
02:01:26,538 --> 02:01:30,297
Speaker 4: Hernandez and Crochet and another right handed bat and the bullpen,

2595
02:01:30,378 --> 02:01:33,338
Speaker 4: like those four collectively would be more than Soto to me,

2596
02:01:33,658 --> 02:01:36,897
Speaker 4: Like they need multiples like the Patriots. Right Soto is

2597
02:01:37,218 --> 02:01:39,618
Speaker 4: you add the quarterback and that's gonna make a difference.

2598
02:01:39,937 --> 02:01:42,218
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, there's eight other

2599
02:01:42,298 --> 02:01:44,218
Speaker 4: guys in the lineup and they just don't have the

2600
02:01:44,778 --> 02:01:47,818
Speaker 4: pieces right now. I'd rather see them take a wider approach,

2601
02:01:47,858 --> 02:01:51,058
Speaker 4: but get some legitimate like n He's not Soto, but

2602
02:01:51,098 --> 02:01:53,738
Speaker 4: he's a legitimate middle of the order. Bat. Yeah, you know,

2603
02:01:53,858 --> 02:01:56,458
Speaker 4: Crochet is a legitimate top end of the rotation. Guy.

2604
02:01:56,538 --> 02:01:57,378
Speaker 4: I'll believe when I see it.

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02:01:57,698 --> 02:02:02,218
Speaker 2: Yeah, So tonight Bruins Tonight, see if they rebound from

2606
02:02:02,258 --> 02:02:05,378
Speaker 2: getting blown out again by the Toronto Mapleus the other night.

2607
02:02:05,498 --> 02:02:09,338
Speaker 2: So in my house, the Bruins are a big topic

2608
02:02:09,458 --> 02:02:13,138
Speaker 2: of stress right now, and they'll is our household. So

2609
02:02:13,178 --> 02:02:15,818
Speaker 2: hopefully they turn it around. And tonight I'll probably watch

2610
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Speaker 2: that Bruins game, maybe watch a little bit of Baltimore Cincinnata.

2611
02:02:19,298 --> 02:02:21,258
Speaker 2: That's gonna be a fun game, and I might crack

2612
02:02:21,378 --> 02:02:23,258
Speaker 2: open a little bud Light. And it's easy to drink,

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Speaker 2: sponsor of the New England Patriots. Thanks for let it

2615
02:02:29,298 --> 02:02:32,498
Speaker 2: sticking around and letting us do a throwback Boston Sports

2616
02:02:32,538 --> 02:02:36,178
Speaker 2: minute from the Cleanest Days. People remember that it's a

2617
02:02:36,218 --> 02:02:37,738
Speaker 2: good time. You still do it right.

2618
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Speaker 4: Occasionally we have that's usually an off season thing. We

2619
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Speaker 4: don't do it with thunder.

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Speaker 2: All right, We'll be back next week the Los Angeles Ramps,

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Speaker 2: which I'm really looking for to effort in person and saying,

2622
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Speaker 2: you know, waving high to a tight pants guy can't wait,

2623
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Speaker 2: but until then, signing off for Algus Bart, I'm eving Blazaar.

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