1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: and today on the show we're talking about animals with 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: missing body parts. Don't worry. These critters haven't been mutilated, 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: but rather through evolution, they've ditched certain appendages. Legs don't 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: need them, wings forget about it. Tails lose them. Sometimes 7 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: efficiency requires sacrifice and body parts have got to go. 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 1: Discover this and more as we answer the age old 9 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: question how many eggs? It's too many eggs? Joining me 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: today's front of the show producer at iHeartRadio, Joe el Monique. 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: Welcome, Hi Katie, thanks for having me back. 12 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: I am so excited. We are actually in the studio together, 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: which has not happened in over. 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 3: Two years since the beforetime. 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 4: Times. 16 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: We're making direct eye contacts. 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: It's super weird, really trying to hold it together. Oh 18 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 3: my gosh. 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: It's nice though, to be back here with you. You know, 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: I imagine there will be one there's always one bird. 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: I think in all of our conversations. 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: You're so lucky. This time there's no birds. There's no birds. 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: I feel very lucky, You're you're super lucky. Today it 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: was between this and the All Birds All Swarms episode, 25 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: and uh, you know this one, this one just by 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: a very thin margin one out. So yeah, Instead we 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: were talking about animals who are missing like a key 28 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: body part that you think they should probably have. 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: Okay, that's kind of exciting. 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they got me thinking about what body part humans 31 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: would lose first. 32 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do we use the least of our major 33 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: body parts? 34 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: What's the one organ they don't know? 35 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: What is there for the senex appendix appendix. I'm surprised 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: if that hasn't started, like just missing. 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: It, just falling out. 38 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: I feel like it was not. 39 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: Necessary for anything that we can decipher, so, you know, 40 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: check it out of their body. 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: There might be something too, Like I keep hearing things 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: about like, well maybe it has some immune function. We're 43 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: not sure. 44 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: Okay, all right. 45 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: I keep hearing our thumbs are going to get longer 46 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: because of how we use our phone. 47 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: Ah, thumb longer. Yeah, I could use longer thumb. 48 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: The longer thumb would be helpful, It would be really helpful. 49 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, but losing a part seems like I feel like 50 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: I need all the things I want both eyes at least, 51 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: you know, the ten finger seems essential. I mean, there's 52 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: obviously people have been able to adapt and make changes 53 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: and adjust two missing body parts. But like, as a species, 54 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: if we were like we just don't need that anymore. 55 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: I feel like maybe one toe could. 56 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: Go, which I would like on the middle ones, one 57 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: of the middle ones, yeah, for balance, right. 58 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: Like yeah, but you know, well yeah, no, I can't 59 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: think of a body part that I would just want 60 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: to part with voluntarily. But yeah, I mean it is 61 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: interesting when you look at animals who are missing parts 62 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: that you think they should have. I mean a good 63 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 1: example is like a snubnose monkey. That is a primate 64 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: who's a relative of ours, and their nose is just gone. 65 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: I mean they have their nasal cavities, but the nose 66 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: itself is gone because they live in cold, high altitudes 67 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: and so the sort of frostbite that they'd get from 68 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: the nose is not really worth having the nose, so 69 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: instead they just have like a you know, just these 70 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: little holes in their face. They're still cute. I like 71 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: them still. But our first interesting animal that we are 72 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: going to talk about is a moth actually, and what 73 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: is like the main defining feature of a butterfly or 74 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: a moth. That's right. Yeah, it's the thing that differentiates 75 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: them from a caterpillar in sort of a simplistic way. 76 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, they're wings, but some moths are wingless. Specifically, 77 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: the females of a few families of moths have almost 78 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: no wings. They they actually technically do have wings, but 79 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: they are teeny tiny and they don't work. 80 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: Their little baby wings, little baby wings. 81 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: It's sort of like remember a bug story, the classic 82 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: pixar ants who have sort of a worker's revolution, and 83 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: then there's the caterpillar who metamorphosizes into a beautiful butterfly, 84 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: and then it's funny because he's got these tiny wings. 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: That chunky caterpillar baby wings. 86 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: It's this, it's the same thing because this moth has 87 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: is very chunky and it has tiny wings that they 88 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: don't even look like wings. They look like little rabbit ears, 89 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: which is cute. 90 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: They do look like little rabbit ears. It sort of 91 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: reminded me on Halloween when girls dress up as very 92 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: but they have like little baby wings. 93 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, these wings would not propel you up into the air. 94 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 2: Are clearly just ornamental? Are these ornamental? In some are 95 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: they designed in the attraction process. 96 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: No, that's what's interesting. Also, when I was a kid 97 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: and there was like the little tiny fairy wings, I 98 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: would get frustrated because I really wanted to see big wings, 99 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 1: because like that is not going to support a human. No. 100 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: No, And we can see what a proper proportion of 101 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: wing to body looks like in nature. It's why dragons 102 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: have those big giant wings. Exactly, all of that mass 103 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 2: is gonna need a lot of air support. 104 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: Exactly. 105 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: Give me some big tarosaur wings, please. 106 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like the little dt ones that come just 107 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: out of your back. 108 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: It's only two and not four, which doesn't make sense Directionally, 109 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: you're gonna have a lot more issues with the two 110 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: as opposed to if you have that second layer down 111 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 2: low like a butterfly. Uh yeah, wings should be proportionate, 112 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: which is making this more confusing. 113 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: Why what happened to their wings? 114 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting is that the males of this species, 115 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: these wingless moths, actually do have wings. 116 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 3: Sexism. 117 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: Oh man, patriarchy is everywhere. We need moth feminists. So 118 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: they look like typical normal moths. They just you know, 119 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: just kind of plain moths. These are winter months and 120 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: the ones that are pictured. There are these just kind 121 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: of grayish brown moths. They look normal except for the 122 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: females that have these adorable little fluffy baby wings and 123 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: then a huge, chunky body. So this actually occurs in 124 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: a few species in the family geometrod uh And so 125 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: there are some species in which the females do have wings, 126 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: but a few, which are the ones that we're talking about, 127 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: where the females don't have these wings or have these 128 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: little stubby wings. One cute fact, this is a little 129 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: bit of a tangent, but it's too cute not to 130 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: talk about. There's this species of geometric moth where the 131 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: females have typical wings, but the caterpillars in this species 132 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: will cover themselves in little pieces of plants or flowers, 133 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: plant matter to camouflage themselves. So I've sent you a photo. 134 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: There's like this thing that looks like kind of a 135 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: weird I guess like Ley or Bouquet, whoa withered flower 136 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: petals there's a caterpillar under there. What I fashion that was. 137 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: Like, what is this flower here? I was trying to 138 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: figure out what this flower was doing, and then oh, 139 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: my god, that's so weird. I never think there's a 140 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: bug in there. It does look like focatory. 141 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I love this one. Anyways, back onto the 142 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: topic of the wingless moths. Species of geometric moths who 143 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: do have wingless females include the winter moths, bruce spanworm, 144 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: and the fall cankerworm moths. So again, the males of 145 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: these species look pretty typical, pretty normal, They're pretty small, 146 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: they have a wingspan of a couple of centimeters. But yeah, 147 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: it is really interesting that this has evolved in these species. 148 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: The winter moth is found in Europe and mate in 149 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: winter and in cold temperature, and the bruce span worm 150 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: and faulknkerworm does the same in North America. So this 151 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: is actually a key detail that all these moths prefer 152 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: to mate in cold temperatures, and so this is the 153 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: first clue into like why these females don't have these wings. 154 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: Most insects actually avoid the winter. The male moths of 155 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: these species have adapted stronger flight muscles in the males 156 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: to be able to flutter around in cold temperatures, and 157 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: so by adapting to this difficult time, they avoid some 158 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: amount of predation from birds. And you know there are 159 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: bird species who are migratory they go in winter in 160 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: warmer climates. And so while there may be some winter 161 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: birds who remain their avoiding predation from this whole segment 162 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: of birds who are like, this is too cold, we're leaving. 163 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: The females, meanwhile, have gone sort of in this opposite 164 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: direction of the males in terms of like the males 165 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: have these like very strong wings, females ditch the wings. 166 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: Females ditch the wings and they will just sit on 167 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: trees and excrete male attracting pheromones, basically making the males 168 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: come to them. And the females are absolutely crammed with eggs. 169 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: They have almost one hundred and fifty eggs in their 170 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: tiny little bodies. So she has sacrificed both the size 171 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: of her internal organs and her wings and ability to 172 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: fly for sheer volume of eggs. So these males will 173 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: just flutter around, congregate around, females mate with them, and 174 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: it's great. The female doesn't have to do anything thing 175 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: other than sit there basically store these eggs, and then 176 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: lay the eggs once they're fertilized. 177 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: Amazing. Here's why I like her plan. Okay, first, she 178 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: was like, men, not only do you have to come 179 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: to me, but like, please leave when you're done. This 180 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 2: is my house and it's cool here. It's clearly too. 181 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: Cold for you. 182 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to inconvenience you, just get on. I 183 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: love that she's like, I'm just gonna do this by myself. 184 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty eggs a lot, like at one time, 185 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 2: seems like a lot. But if you think about it, 186 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: does she only have to do this once? Can? 187 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: She is a one and done situation. 188 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: Get it done, just get it all done. 189 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 3: Wonderful, an efficient clean We love her. 190 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: I really like how you see this thing where the 191 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: females have taken on all the storage costs in mating, 192 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: where the males have taken on all the travel costs. Look, 193 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: they're working together. I love to find a solution, right, yes, yes, 194 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: and apple goals for real right. And probably the system 195 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: couldn't work as well if they lived in warmer climates, 196 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: because the female is sitting pretty prone on this tree 197 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: and she can't fly away, say like a bird or 198 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: something is trying to eat her, Whereas in a much 199 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: colder climate she is less likely to encounter a predator 200 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: like a bird, and so she can really invest totally 201 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: in becoming like a storage barge for eggs, whereas these 202 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: males can invest in being like, well, we're basically sperm 203 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: taxis and going around, and so they have this wonderful system. 204 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: Sperm taxis and egg barges. It's a children's book waiting 205 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 2: to happen. I yes, every time we're here, we think 206 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 2: of a new animal. 207 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: Children about I you know, I think it is important 208 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: for kids to learn about this stuff. And I you know, 209 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: I think there's like a recent news story about there 210 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: being this controversy because some children and show or some 211 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: schools teaching about how certain species of fish change their sex, 212 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: like clownfish. There's actually several species of fish that do this. 213 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: It's not not that novel, uh, And yet it was 214 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: this big controversy like, oh, you can't teach kids. It's like, well, 215 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's just reality. Sorry the fish don't la 216 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: la la. 217 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 3: We don't want to hear about your trans fishes. Woke mob, 218 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: get out of here. 219 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: Yeah if so, I guess the transgender agenda is so 220 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: powerful it can actually make fish change their sex. That's 221 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: the idea. 222 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: The the power they have given to trans books that 223 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: they definitely do not have. Yeah, it's it's creepy and weird. Yeah, 224 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: leave trans kids alone. Yeah, they're just act You're trying 225 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: to live their lives. They did nothing to those fishes. 226 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: Leave those fishes alone. They're just doing what they're supposed 227 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: to be. 228 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, survive. This is good for their species. They don't 229 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: need us to tell them. They're Yeah, yes, bizarre, bizarre. 230 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: Uh, cancel the ocean. 231 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: I guess oh god, I mean we're doing a great 232 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: job of that. 233 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: We are we are our own. Oh no, So what 234 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: is the difference between a snake and a lizard? 235 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: Joel? 236 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: This isn't a setup to a joke. I'm not trying 237 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: to trick you. It's the feet, okayo the I mean, 238 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm doing it in very simplistic terms, right, Like, again, 239 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: this is not like a trick. Yes, So, like, snakes 240 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: don't have legs generally, and lizards do have legs. Of course, 241 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: there are other differences, sure, you know, anatomical differences, but 242 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: this is the main distinguishing difference between snakes and lizards. However, 243 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: have you ever heard of a legless lizard? 244 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 3: No, because that's a snake. We just went over the. 245 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: I know it sounds like a legless lizard would just 246 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: be a snake. But surprisingly, no, this is not the case. 247 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: So there are lizards who, over many years of evolution, 248 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: have lost their legs or they've been greatly reduced to 249 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: tiny little nubblets. And this has been done independently of snakes. 250 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: So over eight families of lizards containing multiple species have 251 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: independently lost their legs. So this is an evolutionary trend 252 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: that has happened over and over again independently. It's a 253 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: popular thing in the lizard world to just lose your legs. 254 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: It's this appropriation. 255 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: Were they looking at the snakes in there like this 256 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: life seems better and now I'm going to call myself 257 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: a snake. Everyone's like, technically you're a legless lizard. They're like, 258 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: bla la lah, I can't hear you. 259 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: I mean, is it okay to do appropriation? Once you've 260 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: gone so far so deep in, you're willing to give 261 00:14:59,600 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: up your. 262 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: They become part of the culture. 263 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 2: They two slither on the ground, okay, they know that 264 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: snake white? 265 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: Okay, really blaring some wines here. 266 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: So snakes and lizards evolved from a common ancestor, a 267 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: reptile squawmate. So the fossil record of the oldest known 268 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: common ancestor to snakes and lizards was found in northern 269 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: Italy in the Alps, and it is a species from 270 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: around two hundred and forty million years ago called mega 271 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: cayrella wac tillari. 272 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: Gosh. 273 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: That is so many consonants jammed into one word. 274 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 3: Give it to me again, Katie, How does it go? 275 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: Mega, kyrilla, waktillary. 276 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: Wow, okay, big word which means oh, gosh. 277 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: Well Mega means big okay and kyrilla that means something 278 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: for sure. 279 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: It sounds like it's. 280 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: You have a Latin text right right, there's some consonants vowels, 281 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: so probably a word that has a meaning. 282 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: Yes, I never agreed. I never got to the Latin 283 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: what all the Latin words mean in my skewing? But 284 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: what makes legless lizards different from snakes? Well, they are 285 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: technically examples of how snakes evolved from a lizard like ancestor. 286 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: But they are distinct from snakes because legless lizards evolved 287 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: from a different lineage and in a different evolutionary path 288 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: from snakes, as in, legless lizards and snakes don't share 289 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: a recent common ancestor. Oh, and they also have different 290 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: anatomical characteristics. So legless lizards have eyelids and ear holes, 291 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: which snakes do not have, and legless lizards aren't able 292 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: to swallow prey larger than their heads like a snake can. 293 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: So basically, in every way, legless lizards are lizards that 294 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: don't have legs, whereas snakes are evolutionary and physically distinct 295 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: from lizards, not just in the fact that they lack 296 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: their legs. 297 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, guys, this is so trippy. So 298 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: first of all, when you're looking at a legless lizard, uh, 299 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: and you're seeing the eyelids, for some reason, it feels 300 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 2: more anthropomorphized. It's more like human. It's like, what do 301 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: you call those things? 302 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 3: Not a transfer? No? No, not a transformer, but uh. 303 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 2: Ah, were they It's like they're transmorphing. Is that the 304 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: book cover where they show like, yeah, yeah, turn into 305 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: a different animal. Yes, it looks like an anamorph and 306 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 2: it's right in between a lizard may turn into a 307 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: snake and or a human. 308 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: Boy, it's a very weird but kind of cool looking. Yes. 309 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 3: Their bodies also seem like. 310 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: Thicker as compared to their heads, Like I feel like 311 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: a snake's head is typically like a little more tapered 312 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 2: than than this is it is it is it like 313 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: bonier than a snake. 314 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: It looks I mean, if you count the like la like, 315 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: there's probably more sort of vestigial leg architecture going on, 316 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: so like a pelvic girdle they will probably have, whereas 317 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: a snake doesn't necessarily have the pelvic girdle. But in 318 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 1: terms of like snakes do actually have a rib cage 319 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: all the way down. Yeah, but it's much I feel 320 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: like they're much more expandable than the lakeless lizards. So 321 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: legless lizard is a little more structured, whereas a snake 322 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: is a little more like the its skeleton really allows 323 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: for a lot of expansion because of the whole like 324 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: eating food larger than its head and can really widen 325 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: its jaws. It's a it's kind of a misnomer to 326 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: say they dislocate their jaws because their jaws are just 327 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: naturally not a Yeah, they're not not a fused like 328 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: our jaws are, and so they can open their mouths 329 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: really really wide, and also their rib cages can are 330 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: more flexible. They can expand to a lot of these 331 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: big big meals, So that's why they can eat stuff 332 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: that's like way bigger than their bodies. 333 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, like looking at it, because I would see like 334 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: a snake. Sometimes some synaks have more of like an 335 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: s curve when they slither, whereas this feels like it 336 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: would be much more like wavy and less of a 337 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: defined curve like it wouldn't maybe I guess more like 338 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 2: this is like kind of turn reading ass Is that what. 339 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: I'm looking for? 340 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's they probably do move a little differently, 341 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: although they do. They do slither essentially like a snake does. 342 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: And you know they are they come in all sorts 343 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: of different sizes. So this first photo that I've shared 344 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: with you, All of these pictures will be in the 345 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: show notes. This is a glass lizard and it is 346 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: one of the bigger species of legless lizards. It's this 347 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 1: it's I think it's quite beautiful. It's sort of this 348 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: pale tan color. It's got these like weird it's not injured. 349 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: I know, it kind of looks like someone slashed It's 350 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: that's a natural part of this species. It's just sort 351 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: of a skin fold. So yeah, it's called the shell 352 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: top who sick. It is one of the largest species 353 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: of legless lizards in the world, found in southern Europe 354 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: and Central Asia. It is it grows to be a 355 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: little under four and a half feet or one hundred 356 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: and thirty five centimeters. And yeah, that that groove is 357 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 1: sort of folded skin, so it's it's normal. 358 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: It looks badass. 359 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: Looks wise. It looks like a white like, you know, 360 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: sort of the There are various dragons. I think some 361 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: of them are called like worms or something like, aren't 362 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: there dragons where it's they don't have wings and they 363 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: just kind of like slither through the air. 364 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they fly, but there's 365 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: definitely they sort of resemble like a komodo dragon, but 366 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: like in fantasy terms, so they're yeah large, and they're 367 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: like clod you know, and typically instead of the almost 368 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: dinosaur like head, it's more lizard like. 369 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 370 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: Typically, Yeah, you definitely have those types of dragons which 371 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: are cool, Like kmodo dragons are cool. 372 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: They are very cool. 373 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: These lizards are cool. 374 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: I think what makes so like, what's terrifying about a 375 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: snake and cute about these legless lizards is a snake 376 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: can like prop itself up, you know, what I mean, 377 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 2: and like really confront you. You're like, you're should not 378 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: be facing me like this. Okay, you could just go 379 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: on the ground and then up in the air and 380 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: look me in my eye while you kill me. 381 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 3: Horrifying. This little guy's. 382 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: Killing he is not going to get it. Doesn't look 383 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 2: like he can prop himself up. 384 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: I don't think, yeah, I don't think. They coil in 385 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: this defensive manner that snakes. 386 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's much cuter. That plus eyelids equals to snake. 387 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 3: I could rock. 388 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: Can't blink at you? 389 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it could wink at you could flirt. It's cute. 390 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: It could flirt. What you need for flirting is eyelids, 391 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: and if you don't got them, you can't. 392 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 3: The ability is gone. 393 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: These little guys are also kind of like the one 394 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 2: with the tiny fettle legs. 395 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: They are so cute. Yes, so there's the small one 396 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: of the smaller species of legless lizards, or the southern 397 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: California legless lizards who are small enough to be mistaken 398 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: for earthworms. They are just little, tiny guys. Uh so cute. 399 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: And then some species of lizards have not fully lost 400 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: their legs. These are actually my favorites. But they are 401 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: going in that direction though, so like they have legs 402 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: with their teeny teeny teeny teeny days. 403 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: If you saw Deadpool and these little tiny baby feet, 404 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: it's exactly what you're thinking of. 405 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 3: They're so little. 406 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: Do these like help them propel or is this just 407 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: a slow form of evolution, like we're getting rid of them? 408 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: It just takes time. 409 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: It's they probably have some positive use. Otherwise it's I mean, 410 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: they could be vestigial, but I believe for these like 411 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: it helps them a little bit. The rear legs probably 412 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: helps with mating. The four legs probably helps a little 413 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: bit in terms of burrowing or something. But I don't 414 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: think that they're super super functional or helpful. But yeah, 415 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they might. They just have a 416 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: sort of different evolutionary path. They may never like if 417 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: you gave them another you know, million years, they may 418 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: never lose their legs, or they may lose them. But yeah, 419 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: this is called the Italian skink, which sounds like an 420 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: anti Italian slur, but it's not. Apparently that's a great name. 421 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 2: What a bad but I love it, oh man, the 422 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: Italian skink wonderful. 423 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: So I think one of The most interesting things about 424 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: this is like the way in which these legs have 425 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: been lost in lizards and snakes over and over again. 426 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: So why do both snakes in some species of lizards 427 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: lose their legs because legs seem pretty useful. The most 428 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: likely reason is that burrowing or hunting in burrows made 429 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: legs less efficient, So sliding into burrows is easy when 430 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: you don't have any legs in that way, so they 431 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: can just slide in, grab a baby, go for eat it, 432 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: and slide out. Early snakes slowly lost their legs, they 433 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: still had hind legs in some species for a while, 434 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: and in modern BoA's they still actually have little tiny 435 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: you can't even barely see them. What, Yeah, you really 436 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: can't see them very well. It's just like they almost 437 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: look like little tiny like clothing and that is it's 438 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: like called a clasper and they can clasp in during 439 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: mating and it helps them kind of like attach on 440 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: to the female. 441 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 3: Bowls just got two more terrifying. 442 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 2: I didn't know they I really didn't know they were 443 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 2: using hooks for sex. 444 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: They very advanced creature fish. 445 00:24:50,680 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 4: Like don't kink shame the bowl community. 446 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: So Joel, I can I make the assumption that you 447 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: might be, you know, a little bit wary of scorpions. 448 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: Definitely wary of scorpions. Definitely if I saw one, I 449 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 2: would move in the other direction. I don't want to 450 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: harm them, but you know, if we never cross back. 451 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: It's how I feel about birds, people all over there. 452 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: And it's really good that you have that space, and 453 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to take any from you. In fact, 454 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: I think we should preserve your space. But I would 455 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: not like to be in that space with you. What 456 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: I wouldn't want you in my space. 457 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: Scorpions are the birds of the ground, according to Joel, 458 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: because yes, you're afraid of birds as well. Yes, for 459 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: I mean, you've been on the show multiple times, so 460 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: I help people would know that about you by now. 461 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: But yes, afraid of birds, afraid of scorpions makes sense. 462 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: You know, the scorpion is quite scary. What is the 463 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: scariest part of the scorpions? 464 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 3: Thinky part? Yes, y'a overted at you. 465 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 2: It's got like a big needle at the bottom that 466 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: can stab you. 467 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 3: And then it's poisonous snow. Yes, yes, yeah that seems bad. 468 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I I like scorpions, but I so I 469 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: grew up sort of next to a canyon, and for 470 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: whatever reason, my room would get infiltrated by critters all 471 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: the time, which was fun. It felt like it happened 472 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: to my room the most. Maybe they they sensed my 473 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: creature feature vibes. And yet I accepted some of them. 474 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: But the scorpions, no, I couldn't. I could not accept 475 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: living in my midst It was. It was very It 476 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: was they were tiny. They were like these little, tiny 477 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: tan scorpions. But like, even if it was scorpions small, 478 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean it's harmless because it could have venom. 479 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. I I was quite afraid of them. 480 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's all because of that fierce, sort of 481 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: syringe like tail that they would chode you. As you 482 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: point out, Uh so it is kind of funny to 483 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: me that there is an animal called the tailless whip scorpion, 484 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: which minute yes, which looks like a kind of horrifying 485 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: crab scorpion, but it's got no tail. 486 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: Okay here already, I'm so confused because if I think 487 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: of a scorpion and anything whippy, it's that tail. Yeah, 488 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: this one is whippy without the tail. Yeah, Diva is this. 489 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: So the whip part of it I think comes from 490 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: the fact that it has these like really long antenna 491 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: like structures that good large. Then yeah, it is a 492 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: horrifying looking Arthur pod. It does not have that tail 493 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: though that scorpions often have. 494 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 3: Scorpions can be terrifying in an entirely different way. People. 495 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 3: I just want to let you know if. 496 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: You were scared at the tail, you didn't know, Uh, 497 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 2: it could have crab like claws. Oh my god, I 498 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: just know some like alien creature designer has been looking 499 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 2: at these like my time is coming, Like I'm going 500 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: to implement this into a horror film. 501 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 3: Yes, and terrified. 502 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: P This is so weird and scary and big. I 503 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: would scream so loud if I saw this in nature. 504 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Katie, where are they? So I never 505 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: go near that. 506 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: Well, they are found kind of throughout the world because 507 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: they are actually multiple species with an order called ambly page. Uh. 508 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: And it is actually not a true scorpion, so it's 509 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: in the eracted class, which includes scorpions and spiders. 510 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,239 Speaker 3: I can see that. 511 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: But the tail is whip scorpion, while being a relative 512 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,479 Speaker 1: of both scorpions and spiders, is neither a scorpion nor 513 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: a spider. 514 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: Now, animals, I really need you to get into. How 515 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: are you both related to both of these but also 516 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: classified as neither. 517 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: That's interesting. 518 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just its distinct order. So scorpions have 519 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: its order of species, spiders have its own order, and 520 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: so this one has its distinct order. They're just all 521 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: kind of cousins, you know. 522 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, those guys in class of his own, and 523 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: to be fair looking at it deserves to be, has 524 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: earned its own space title and recognition. 525 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: So what Joel is reacting to is that this thing 526 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: looks like you crossed a crab, a spider, and a 527 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: scorpion and it created kind of a horrible alien. So 528 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: the this has these long legs, very long and skinny, 529 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: kind of like a spider. It has an antenna very 530 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: long and sort of skinny like I don't know, just 531 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: really long antenna, kind of like a lobster. And then 532 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: it has these two long, skinny legs that end in 533 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: these little pincer claws. 534 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 2: Uh. 535 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: And it is yeah, it's it's I think it's cool, 536 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: but I acknowledge that it's unpleasant looking. And they also 537 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: scuttle kind of like a crab. Oh, scuttling is something 538 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: that turn some people off, and so yeah it is. 539 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: They are basically a spooky, slender version of a crab, 540 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: spider or spider crab or whatever. They can get to 541 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: be quite big, usually spanning larger than an adult's palm. So, 542 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: for instance, the damon. 543 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: I think, not Katie what. 544 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: So for instance, the daemon Diadema tailus whip scorpion of 545 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: Central Africa has a body that's only a little over 546 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: an inch long or twenty eight millimeters, but its leg 547 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: span gets to be up around eight inches or twenty centimeters. 548 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to be near his body 549 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,719 Speaker 2: is so creepy. It's really like the legs are so 550 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: spread out, and I feel like, as a human, my 551 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: eyes are like which one do I need to focus on? 552 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: You know? 553 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: With a scorpion, they have the courtesy of being like, 554 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 2: here's one tail, don't lose sight of it. Okay, these guys, 555 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: they're like danger could come from anywhere at any time. 556 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: And also I scuttle, I can move in any direction 557 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: at any time. 558 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 559 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: It's three hundred and sixty degrees of no. So they 560 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: may look horrifying, and yes they do, but they actually 561 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: have no venom. They're very shy, and they generally don't bite. 562 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: The most you have to fear from them is getting 563 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: pinched by their pair of long, pinchy pincers if you 564 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: scare them or antagonize them. 565 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: Por Phone crawls over you while you're sleeping, and you 566 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 3: just scream yourself. 567 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: But you know, it's like a crab where it can pinch, 568 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: you can kind of hurt. These can, you know, make 569 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: little tiny puncture wounds, sort of like if you get 570 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: pricked by a thorn or something. But there's no venom, 571 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: so it's not dangerous. It's not dangerous at all. They 572 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: just look like they could kill you and latch onto 573 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: your face, rip your eyeballs out, but they can't. 574 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: Millions of years of human evolution has told you you 575 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 2: should not touch or be near this thing. Okay, your 576 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 2: body knows even though even though your brain may know better. 577 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: Be like, listen, you could survive a pinch and be fine. 578 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 2: Your body said, we will not be putting in this way. 579 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: So it's interesting because these legs are very They are 580 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: arachnids and they have eight legs, but it looks like 581 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: they only have six, but that is because one pair 582 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: of their legs have been modified into the antenna, so 583 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: those really long antenna that get them. The name of 584 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: whip scorpion is the modified front legs that have grown 585 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: extra sensory neurons and actually is now used as antenna. 586 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: The pincers, the little what looks like little legs with pincers, 587 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: are actually modified petipalps. Pelps are when you look at 588 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: a spider. Sometimes they have what look like tiny little 589 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: arms near their mouth that kind of go like yeah, 590 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: which I think are cute, but yeah, those have become 591 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: really elongated and have the cool addition of pincers, and 592 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: they use those like a crab wood where they grab food, 593 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: grab prey. Sometimes they even stab the prey with them 594 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: and then bring it up to their mouth and then 595 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: they eat it with their chillicera. 596 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 3: May I ask what their diet consists. 597 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: Of small invertebrates. Usually they will occasionally eat a small 598 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: vertebrate if the opportunity arises, but generally they only mess 599 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: around with other arthropods. 600 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 2: I don't like when they start eating the vertebrates. It's 601 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: really terrifying to me. I will say, this is my 602 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 2: love hate relationship with the whole spider and spider esque community. 603 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 3: Okay, y'all eat the little bugs. 604 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: That bite me that I hate, and you keep my 605 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 2: house clear of them, and that's good, that's good for 606 00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 2: all of us. 607 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 3: But then you are also terrifying. I have to deal 608 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: with that. 609 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 2: I've been getting pretty good about not killing the spiders 610 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 2: in my house for those of you who are really 611 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 2: about like you. 612 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 3: Just said it free. 613 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: I can't touch them because it weirds me out, but 614 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 2: I will go get someone else in my household, Like, 615 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 2: will you just gently transfer this thing far outside of 616 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 2: our door so it can come back in, but also 617 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 2: it can just continue to do what it needs to do. 618 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 3: This one. 619 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, buddy, if you come in my house, you 620 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 2: have to die. It's not I can't cohabitate even for 621 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 2: a second. 622 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 3: It's so creepy. 623 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean some people keep them as pets in. 624 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, this thing can't show you affection. That's not a pet. 625 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: Pinch your cheek with it's a little cloth. 626 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 2: No no, no, no. 627 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: So they actually, despite I guess being nightmare fuel, they 628 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: are very much introverts. Mating consists of the male depositing 629 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: his sperm packets on the grid and gently guiding the 630 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: female over with the hopes that she'll pick up the 631 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: sperm packets, in seminate herself and bear offspring. 632 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 3: So yeah, Wins could learn a lesson, is all I'm saying. 633 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 2: Sorry, Katie said, please explain. I'm just saying I think 634 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 2: this is a much clearer way of doing things, just 635 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,720 Speaker 2: to be like, if. 636 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 3: You want to, it's here, but don't eat, no stress. 637 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 2: I disagree, and the lady's like you, I think I 638 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 2: will pick it up and then just like he. 639 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: Leaves his sperm on the ground in like little packets, 640 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: like here you. 641 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 3: Go, guide you back to you can. 642 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: Take a sperm, leave a sperm. 643 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 3: In that lock. 644 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 2: You'll learn about whether this is the kind of person 645 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 2: whose children you want to carry or not. 646 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I strong disagree. I don't want to 647 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: trip over random sperm packets. 648 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 3: Are you saying? Dating and La has warped me? This 649 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 3: is the earlier problem. 650 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: It's one of those little robots that delivers food now, 651 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: but for sperm packets. Yeah sounds great. 652 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 3: Perfect. 653 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: After the eggs hatch, the tiny baby tailless whip scorpions 654 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: will actually climb onto their mother's back until they are 655 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: old enough to be on their own and their mother 656 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: and the babies communicate using their weird antenna legs, which 657 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: is a rare social behavior from arachnids. 658 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 3: That is kind of huge. Yeah, communicate through touch me 659 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 3: to you guys. 660 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 1: Behaviorally, they're actually really sweet. They're just very kind of shy. 661 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: They are not aggressive at all because they don't really 662 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: have that much to defend themselves with. Like, yeah, they 663 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: can pinch you, and they will if they feel threatened, 664 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: but you know, it's not much. So they generally are 665 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: very very shy, very reserved. They're clearly very shy in 666 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: the dating pool. They just they want to hold hands, 667 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: like basically take a walk and hold hands is like 668 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: the equivalent of sex for them, and then they like 669 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: are communicate with their babies. It's very cute. 670 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 2: Okay, So as long as one of these doesn't sneak 671 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 2: up on me in my own house, maybe I can 672 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 2: get somebody else to come take care of them and 673 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 2: escort them outside. 674 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I can't. You're like, pinch me. I must 675 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: be having a nightmare. It's like, okay, we'll do. 676 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:24,760 Speaker 3: Well. 677 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: Before we go, we've got to play a little game, 678 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: and that game is called. 679 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 3: Guess Who's squawking? 680 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: The Mystery animal sound game. 681 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 3: I love this game. 682 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: Every week I play a mystery animal sound and you, 683 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: the listener, and you the guest, try to guess who 684 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: is squawking. So first, last week's mystery animal sound, the 685 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: hint was this, this patriotic bird often doesn't get credit 686 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: for its work. Oh yeah, that came through. 687 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 3: I almost pit water all over this sec. I didn't engineer. 688 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 3: I was so good. I did not, but I was 689 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 3: very close. Oh my god. 690 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:14,399 Speaker 2: Uh because patriot, he said, as patriotic, Uh eagle, and 691 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 2: he said. 692 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 3: It was hard. 693 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: It often doesn't get credit for its work. Is it. 694 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 2: A it's a government government eagle? 695 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: I love that. I really wish there was a species 696 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: of rapper called the government eagle. So this is it's 697 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: not a government eagle. You're doing in the right zone. Now, 698 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: this is actually the red tailed hawk. So congratulations to 699 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,240 Speaker 1: the three fastest guessers Auntie Bee, Joey P, and Emily 700 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,280 Speaker 1: M who all wrote in and guessed correctly. 701 00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,280 Speaker 3: Smart folks. 702 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: Yes, so, red tailed hawks are raptors found throughout North America. 703 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: They're a medium sized brown hawk with a white underbelly 704 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: and rusty red tail. Their majestic call is often stolen 705 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: and used as the call for bald eagles in movies 706 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,760 Speaker 1: or TV show, which is their larger, more famous raptor. 707 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, because when I heard it, I was like, 708 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 2: this definitely sounds like an eagle. Yeah, and what I 709 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 2: know of eagles it the call is very uh, unique 710 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 2: and specific. 711 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 3: When you hear it, you're like, okay, attention. So I 712 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 3: can see. 713 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 2: Why they were like, I don't know what sounds the 714 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 2: bald eagle is making, but it's not this. 715 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: It's not this. You want to hear what sounds the. 716 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 3: Bald Yeah, well that is adorable. Yes, that is listen 717 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 3: here in America. 718 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 2: If you're not from here and have not seen the 719 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 2: way we use a bald evil, they're majestic sharpshooters, yeah, 720 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 2: in the sky who cut the sky with their wings 721 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 2: and then dive on their prey. 722 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 3: They're very manly. 723 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 2: We put them on a lot of our war vehicles. 724 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 2: That adorable chirping does not match the mental image we 725 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 2: have as Americans of our country's bird, the bald eagle. 726 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 2: So we did we as we typically do. We had 727 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 2: to steal it from something much cooler. And not acknowledge 728 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 2: that species. 729 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: I know, but the red tailed hawk is also found 730 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: in North America. It's an American species. We're just like, 731 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: you're not big enough. We really need an It's like 732 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: this manufactured symbol, right, like they eat an eagle that 733 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: looks big and fierce, and the bald eagle is pretty big, 734 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: sharp eyes, just got those sharp byes, got those big claws. 735 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: And the red tailed hawk is not nothing. It's a 736 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, fierce predator, but it's smaller. It's you know, 737 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: not as striking looking, I guess, but it's called it's 738 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: much more majestic then the bald eagles are. Link it's cute, though. 739 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 3: I love the eagles sounding. I'm not gonna. 740 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 1: It's just like they makes them sound like a little 741 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: like you know, it's like little kitty laugh or. 742 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 2: You want to get out a tea set and not 743 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 2: go to war though, so uh. 744 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: You know how Americans feel about tea. 745 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we put that in the bay. 746 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 3: Okay, So now what does the he says, the red 747 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 3: tailed hawk? Yeah, what do these things look like? 748 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: They look like a typical hawk. They just kind of 749 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: they're not you know, you know what a hawk looks like. 750 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: I do. It's it's they're kind of brown. They they're 751 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: sometimes called chicken hawks. They don't actually prey on chickens, 752 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,919 Speaker 1: so that's not that's a misnomer. But yeah, they they're 753 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: just very hawk looking hawk. 754 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 2: Okay, here's why I'm upset for the red tailed hawk 755 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 2: right now. They've got the same eyes as the eagles, 756 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 2: which we've just described as one of the key elements 757 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 2: of what makes the eagle look badass. We gonna put 758 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 2: this on war vehicles, you know. I'm just saying, like, 759 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 2: it's got all of the same energy. It's a little smaller, 760 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, but it's got that burly chick. You 761 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 2: can pay metals to this bird. Check it's so early. 762 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,359 Speaker 3: Okay. 763 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings because I do want the red 764 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 1: tailed hawk to be more recognized, but also I'm a pacifist, 765 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: so using it like, Look, the problem is we have 766 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,280 Speaker 1: the wrong symbol on our on our drones. 767 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 3: Right exactly. Yeah, put the red tail hawk on here. 768 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: It's the wrong species of birds America. 769 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 3: Listen, I vibe with it. 770 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 2: This bird is actually kind of cute, and you guys 771 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 2: aren't know how I feel about birds. With this one. 772 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 2: It looks together with it. Oh, not like the craziness 773 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 2: of a turkey. 774 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, or. 775 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 2: The absolute chaotic nature of an owl. Why are you 776 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 2: turning your head around to look at me? So you 777 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 2: turn your whole body with some respect. Okay, No, that's right. 778 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: I lied to you. I said there would be no 779 00:42:59,040 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: birds in this here. 780 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 3: We are right in the end. She's snuck it in 781 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 3: right in there. 782 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 2: Wow, I learned something today. 783 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: Well onto this week's mystery animal. Sound the hint. This 784 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 1: hairy animal doesn't want his picnic on a rainy day. 785 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 3: That is a big baby. Whoa. 786 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 2: It sounds like me that I get woken up from 787 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 2: a nap. I'm very upset. Why is it raining here? Okay, 788 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 2: it's some kind of bear. I feel confident in that lane. 789 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 2: It's harry and it doesn't want to get what Afro 790 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 2: bear hit it. 791 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 3: I did. 792 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: Friends with Government eagle their best. 793 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 3: Because they own all the war vehicles. 794 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: Add that one to the list of animals I wish existed. 795 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 3: Afro bear meats. 796 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? 797 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 3: I can't? 798 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: And he is fabulous, wonderful, wonderful. Well, that is an 799 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: incredible guess and we will find out next time on 800 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: Creature feature. Who is making that sound. If you out 801 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: there think you know who the mystery animal is this week, 802 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: write me an email at Creature Featurepod at gmail dot com. 803 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: You can also write questions to me and sometimes I 804 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: have listener questions episodes, or respond to your emails or 805 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, send me pictures of your pets. 806 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:33,359 Speaker 3: Always love those. 807 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: Yep. I get a lot of cute animals in my 808 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: inbox and I love it, so Thank you guys so 809 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: much for listening. Joe Well, thank you so much for 810 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: coming on the show. It's so lovely to see you 811 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: in person in three D. 812 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It's good to 813 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 3: see you too. 814 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 2: And now I know when you see a crab like spider, 815 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 2: it's probably just an introvert and it doesn't want to 816 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 2: be near you as much as you don't want to 817 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 2: be near it. So I've really I guts to take 818 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 2: that inform home and protect additional spiders, which is an 819 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 2: insane thing I never thought I would do. 820 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: Well. Where can people find you? 821 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? 822 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 2: Will you guys tell me you can find me all 823 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 2: over the internet at Due Monique It's Joelle em O and. 824 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 3: iQue you. 825 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: Well. Thank you so much, and thanks to Graham for 826 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,240 Speaker 1: doing the audio on this episode. I'm usually flying solo abroad, 827 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: but I am so happy to pop into the studio 828 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,440 Speaker 1: and thank you guys so much for listening. If you 829 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,239 Speaker 1: are enjoying the show, you can leave a rating or 830 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: review and I read every single review and all the 831 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: ratings really do help the show. 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