Speaker 1: Hey, you will like wholesome content is Jemie and this
Speaker 1: is your second Date podcast we got.
Speaker 2: I have this pie ready to put in your face.
Speaker 2: You're telling me they don't need it.
Speaker 1: That's kind of wholesome too. Yesterday's awkward Tuesday phone call
Speaker 1: just fired up the comment. Yeah what do you see? Alexe?
Speaker 3: Lots of laughs on this one. It's so wholesome. I
Speaker 3: want a skittish husband, now go on, Garrett. This man's amazing,
Speaker 3: so funny. By far, my all time favorite episode. Keep
Speaker 3: this type coming. Oh man, this is a good one.
Speaker 3: That's so cute.
Speaker 1: It's so many of this great, so many green flags
Speaker 1: for that relationship.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling we're not going to have quite
Speaker 1: as many green flags today because we have a brand
Speaker 1: new second date update for you are a little rarer. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're harder to come by. It all starts right now.
Speaker 2: Second date Update. After a good but not great first date,
Speaker 2: what are your options moving forward? You could give up
Speaker 2: on dating and do absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: To give out No, it's okay date okay, Yeah, just
Speaker 1: a good not a great date. It's gonna push you
Speaker 1: over the edge to you finally just give up.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that's an option you could go with B
Speaker 2: play the waiting game and do absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the same option as a option C.
Speaker 2: Make up a story in your head about how that
Speaker 2: person was probably some deranged psychopath, So it's justified that
Speaker 2: you ghosted them and do nothing and then do nothing.
Speaker 2: But today's listener, Abby went a different route after going
Speaker 2: on a good not great first date, so let's talk
Speaker 2: to her about it. Abby, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: I thank you, So are we gonna do that? We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk to you and then do nothing?
Speaker 2: Is that the Yeah? We'll get to doing nothing in
Speaker 2: a bit. But first, what's the name of this good
Speaker 2: not great guy? Oh, Luke, that's a good not even
Speaker 2: great name.
Speaker 1: What a terrible intro. I think the name lucas nice
Speaker 1: like he's mad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't want to set him up either
Speaker 5: as being like terrible. I just just.
Speaker 2: Call it normal then right, normal in the middle, Sure, average, Luke, Average.
Speaker 2: That sounds bad.
Speaker 1: Honestly though, Like right at the beginning, I'm confused why
Speaker 1: you would call this guy average? The date okay and
Speaker 1: actually want to go out.
Speaker 2: With Yeah, most first date's just good? Yeah, successfully, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we need to hear more of the story,
Speaker 2: So tell us about how you and Luke met and
Speaker 2: what you did for your date.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean he's a good dude. He has a good job.
Speaker 5: He works in pharmaceutical industry, and I don't work in
Speaker 5: the same industry, but I know people who work in it,
Speaker 5: and kind of I have some clients that kind of
Speaker 5: work in it. So like we connected, we have something
Speaker 5: to talk about.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Is that how you guys met through mutual friends or
Speaker 1: did you meet him online? Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, we met on the dating app okay, and we
Speaker 5: figured out that we live in the same part of town.
Speaker 5: There's a kind of popular brewery, so we decided to
Speaker 5: kind of just head there since it was close to
Speaker 5: both of us.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it all sounds normal. Yeah, really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, average, trying to avoid that word. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how did the brewery go?
Speaker 5: It was nice, Like we chatted, we had stuff to
Speaker 5: talk about. You know, it didn't blow me away, but
Speaker 5: that's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like what you mean by that is
Speaker 2: like he checked all the boxes. He's got a good job,
Speaker 2: easy convo, but nothing like stood out, is what you're
Speaker 2: trying to say.
Speaker 5: No, No, it was pretty normal, and I think so
Speaker 5: normal that it kind of made me hesitate. After I
Speaker 5: didn't reach out to him other than like, thank you
Speaker 5: for the date, but you know, I didn't set anything
Speaker 5: up afterwards.
Speaker 1: Isn't just a quick thank you for the date like
Speaker 1: a sign that you don't want anymore? I don't know.
Speaker 2: It depends, I would say, because I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: thank you. That was awesome. But I guess that's hard
Speaker 2: to read over text, right, Yeah, I mean, was he
Speaker 2: responding back to you and trying to initiate a second date? Yeah?
Speaker 5: He did ask me out and I kind of left
Speaker 5: him on red.
Speaker 1: Oh so how long ago was that?
Speaker 4: This was two weeks ago? Okay, okay, talking to us.
Speaker 2: What's happened since then?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So there was a weird thing that happened,
Speaker 5: and so that's why I wanted to chat. So after that,
Speaker 5: I was a little unclear about Luke and I went
Speaker 5: on a different date the following week and we went
Speaker 5: to the same brewery.
Speaker 1: I guess who was there, Oh my god, lou was
Speaker 1: also there on a date.
Speaker 5: Luke was also there on a date.
Speaker 4: Now, well, I mean, yeah, awkward, but he's not doing
Speaker 4: anything wrong.
Speaker 1: No, nobody's doing it. She just ghosted it, and now
Speaker 1: she's back at the same room with a new date.
Speaker 2: What was the interaction between you two, Like, was there
Speaker 2: an interaction? Uh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we saw each other. We just kind
Speaker 5: of like waved and I told the date, you know,
Speaker 5: it's just a friend of mine.
Speaker 4: Smiley a little awkward.
Speaker 1: Wait, did you think he was cuter when he was
Speaker 1: sitting with another girl? I mean, honestly, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I was kind of like, oh, and.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing your date didn't go that good.
Speaker 2: How was the date with the new guy?
Speaker 5: Fine?
Speaker 1: Nice, we'll call him in two weeks after this.
Speaker 2: Okay, clearly you were eyeing Luke over in the corner
Speaker 2: with his other date and something was happening with you emotionally.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 5: I think I also didn't have anything to compare it with.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of new back into the dating pool, okay,
Speaker 5: and Luke was the first person I had dated at.
Speaker 2: That particular brewery.
Speaker 1: It's like when you're in a competition and you have
Speaker 1: to go first, and the judges score you lower because
Speaker 1: they don't know what else is coming up next. They
Speaker 1: want to leave some room. Yeah yeah, and then he
Speaker 1: got screwed in the judging, you know.
Speaker 2: Is that how you felt?
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe maybe that's him?
Speaker 2: Yeah conclusions. Okay, So where is your head at now?
Speaker 2: With Luke and this new guy.
Speaker 5: I was kind of whatever, and it made me think
Speaker 5: that Luke might be a good match. Actually, so I him.
Speaker 2: Luke was also whatever, but he's less whatever.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you texted Luke.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I texted him, was just like, haha, I
Speaker 5: was funny, you know, just like kind of laughed it off,
Speaker 5: made a joke, and then said that we should hang
Speaker 5: out again. And he has not responded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you didn't respond to him when he said that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, but now maybe.
Speaker 4: You don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like you want what you can't have exactly.
Speaker 2: You can't have him though, that's the thing. Well, we
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe Luke has moved on. Maybe Luke actually
Speaker 2: did have a good time with the new girl that.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, Okay, I hope you were like
Speaker 1: laughing a lot and looking like you were having lots
Speaker 1: of fun on your other dates.
Speaker 2: But not too much fun, or else Luke will be like, oh,
Speaker 2: she really is having a great time with that other guy.
Speaker 1: Kind of joking jealous.
Speaker 2: With me anyway? Who says dating plays mine games on everybody,
Speaker 2: not I. So we're gonna come back. We're gonna call
Speaker 2: this good not great guy Luke and hopefully convince him
Speaker 2: to give you a second chance.
Speaker 1: Yes, we won't use that as his nickname, we promise.
Speaker 2: No, we'll come up with something better and do it
Speaker 2: with your second date update right after this hold on
Speaker 2: second date update. What's the famous saying you don't have
Speaker 2: to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun the
Speaker 2: other guy. And that's kind of how our listener Abby
Speaker 2: decided she likes a dude named Luke because she went
Speaker 2: on two average dates with two average guys. But it
Speaker 2: wasn't until after she met the second one she realized, actually,
Speaker 2: maybe guy number one, Luke was slightly better. I pick
Speaker 2: him instead.
Speaker 1: Who's the bear in this analogy?
Speaker 2: Brook? Obviously you're the bear, okay, and you're gonna maul
Speaker 2: the slower man.
Speaker 1: I always take the weakest link, you always do.
Speaker 2: But that's how Abby ended up here looking for another
Speaker 2: chance with guy number one. But who knows, maybe after
Speaker 2: this she'll change your mind again and next week we'll
Speaker 2: be calling average guy number two. Do you want us
Speaker 2: to keep a spot open for you Abby next week
Speaker 2: just in case.
Speaker 5: No, I'm gonna stick with.
Speaker 2: Comit like average week Sundays. Yeah, on the weekend, whole
Speaker 2: lineup of average men for you to choose for.
Speaker 1: I guess it's pretty understanding though, Like you're back into
Speaker 1: the dating world. You kind of want to see what's
Speaker 1: out there a little bit, and it just happened to
Speaker 1: be your very first one was better than you realize.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a big danger of playing the field
Speaker 2: right now in modern dating is there always seems to
Speaker 2: be a better option on the other side of the fense.
Speaker 1: For you, Jeff, it hasn't been forever.
Speaker 2: What's wrong to committing to the first man who approaches you? Actually? Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe you keep that as an option for the next
Speaker 2: guy you meet. Okay, Okay, Okay. For now, we'll focus
Speaker 2: on Luke and see if he picks up the phone.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna dial his number right now. Lo Hey, is
Speaker 2: this Luke?
Speaker 4: Who's it?
Speaker 2: My name is Jeff. I'm on a radio show called
Speaker 2: Brook and Jeffrey in the Morning.
Speaker 1: Luke.
Speaker 4: This is this is real This is this is real life.
Speaker 2: You're asleep right now.
Speaker 1: Dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're on the radio right now. Is that okay?
Speaker 4: I mean depends on what what you need from me,
Speaker 4: but sure, well understandable.
Speaker 2: All we want to do is gently pry into your
Speaker 2: personal life.
Speaker 1: What sounds fun.
Speaker 2: It's more fun than it sounds. It's a segment we
Speaker 2: do called Second Date Update.
Speaker 4: Okay, Uh, you're the bear.
Speaker 1: You're the bear in this analogy right now, Jeff, just
Speaker 1: so you know the analogy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's going on?
Speaker 2: This is a segment where we try to help listeners
Speaker 2: with their dating life. If they've gone out with somebody
Speaker 2: and they're not getting a call back, we can try
Speaker 2: and help figure out the reason why. And the girl
Speaker 2: who reached out to us about you is Abby, like
Speaker 2: two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, are you upset with Abby?
Speaker 4: I'm not that upset anymore. I mean that makes sense,
Speaker 4: but you were, well, yeah, did she tell you what happened? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you're talking about when you two ran into
Speaker 2: each other again like a week later at the same brewery.
Speaker 1: Oh really, I think he's talking about the text messages
Speaker 1: that she didn't answer.
Speaker 4: I mean both were gut punches.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're trying to do some investigative digging on Abby's
Speaker 2: behalf because she's the last person that texted you and
Speaker 2: you haven't responded to her.
Speaker 4: Now how she didn't respond to me first?
Speaker 1: Okay, so it is one of those make her feel
Speaker 1: what you felt moment.
Speaker 2: I told you mind game's not involved in dating at all.
Speaker 4: She might be upset too because of the guy. Is
Speaker 4: she upset because of the I mean I talked to
Speaker 4: the guy in the bathroom?
Speaker 1: Wait what her guy?
Speaker 2: Like her date?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I ran into the guy in the bathroom like
Speaker 4: the guy she was on the date with, and.
Speaker 1: That what happened? What did you say?
Speaker 4: I mean? I just told him the truth? You know,
Speaker 4: I told him, if you go on a nice date,
Speaker 4: she's going to ghost you. Probably he got ghosted. Why
Speaker 4: wouldn't I tell the guy of the truth. I didn't
Speaker 4: go in there to tell him. He just happened to
Speaker 4: be there.
Speaker 3: But he didn't ask you.
Speaker 1: I know you would have appreciated it if somebody did that.
Speaker 4: For you, more of a bro code kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It wasn't okay, you you warned this other guy that
Speaker 2: he was going to run into problems with Abby.
Speaker 4: If he's not problem, it's just ghosting.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not. It doesn't even matter because she's not
Speaker 1: interested in that guy. Like, honestly, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if she responded to him or not. But
Speaker 1: like she doesn't like that guy, she likes you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, does she really? Come on?
Speaker 1: She texted you and asked you to go out.
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole reason that she reached out to
Speaker 2: our show to call you was because there is genuine
Speaker 2: interest in what you two had going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought she was just upset because of what
Speaker 4: I told the guy. I didn't I thought she knew that.
Speaker 2: Well, it didn't sound like she was upset because she
Speaker 2: didn't bring that up to us. I don't even think
Speaker 2: she knows that happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I guess. I mean, he
Speaker 4: didn't say anything.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, now, she does know about it,
Speaker 2: because the way this works is we have Abby quietly
Speaker 2: listening on the other line, waiting to talk to you.
Speaker 4: Hey, you're telling me, you're telling that's.
Speaker 1: That's Abby?
Speaker 4: Say Hi, Are you joking right now?
Speaker 2: No? No, I'm sorry, But why don't you talk to her?
Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, that's all right.
Speaker 5: I'm actually wondering if you're the one that's joking. Are
Speaker 5: you being serious? So you talk to my date? Why
Speaker 5: would you tell him that I was going.
Speaker 4: To ghost him? Well, didn't you ghost in?
Speaker 5: I mean I haven't exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean you obviously told him that because that's what
Speaker 1: you did to him.
Speaker 5: Okay, but i mean, first of all, it's not of
Speaker 5: no Offensely, it's not that's not your business, and I'm
Speaker 5: genuinely I would do it because I'm interested in going
Speaker 5: out with you again.
Speaker 4: I have to ask, are you planning on seeing him again?
Speaker 4: I guess you're calling on the radio about me.
Speaker 5: No, I'm not going to see this other guy. And yeah,
Speaker 5: I reached out to the radio because look like I'm
Speaker 5: new to this and I liked you, and I get
Speaker 5: a lot of messages on the dating apps. And I'm
Speaker 5: not like saying that to like toot my own horn,
Speaker 5: but I'm realizing. I'm realizing that a good first date
Speaker 5: doesn't have always have to be like sparkled and magic
Speaker 5: and great, and I think it's a great building block.
Speaker 5: And so I was interested in you.
Speaker 4: I mean that's nice, But like, if you're ghosting him again,
Speaker 4: this is a pattern. No, if she sees him on
Speaker 4: a date with someone else, you'll text him again.
Speaker 1: She's only been in the dating world yet. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's even been in it long
Speaker 1: enough to be a.
Speaker 4: P learn not to ghost eventually, Like, you know what,
Speaker 4: that's that's true. I guess you've seen sincere about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. I mean there's kind of an awkwardness happening
Speaker 2: between you two, Like is this what the conversation on
Speaker 2: your guys' date was like? Because now I can kind
Speaker 2: of understand what you were saying or some downs? Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I have an okay time.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can at least tell him that you're
Speaker 1: not ghosting him anymore, because this counsels out that ghost
Speaker 1: you texted him.
Speaker 2: And yeah, hey yeah, so go ahead.
Speaker 5: I mean, look like I'm realizing something. So here, I
Speaker 5: should write this other guy and just say thank you.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's a good fit.
Speaker 1: That's good look at that learning from mistakes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I am genuine I'm being on it here.
Speaker 2: What do you think of that? Bro? Do you believe her?
Speaker 4: Luke? I believe her. I think my expectations are still
Speaker 4: going to be low. If that's okay with you should
Speaker 4: be Oh.
Speaker 2: What a romantic thing to say.
Speaker 1: That's so good. I would love low expectations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I might expect absolutely nothing from you going forward.
Speaker 1: You can impress him with anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna cry now that we've set the bar
Speaker 2: way way down. We would like to offer to send
Speaker 2: you to on another date, and we would pay for it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give the option to Luke first, since you're
Speaker 2: the person that we were calling.
Speaker 4: Buddy, I will say yes, but I have to say
Speaker 4: I expectations are low, and I expect you to ghost
Speaker 4: me after the second day.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, is it disappointing if she doesn't now, Hey,
Speaker 1: we can only go up from here.
Speaker 2: That's there. You go, Abby, you scored a date with Luke.
Speaker 2: This will be the only time a high five a
Speaker 2: date and it'll be a good thing. Yeah, it will
Speaker 2: be if you still want it, that is, are you
Speaker 2: still interested? Don't change your mind now or have you
Speaker 2: gone back to guy number two again?
Speaker 5: No? No, no, I'm interested in Luke. I want to go
Speaker 5: on another date.
Speaker 2: Right, same brewery for a third time in a row.
Speaker 2: You're going to run into the other guy.
Speaker 1: That bartender is gonna be like, what is happening?
Speaker 2: Looking Jeffrey in the morning. I gotta say I'm kind
Speaker 2: of proud of Abby on that one, because she had
Speaker 2: every right to be upset after learning Luke had talked
Speaker 2: to her date in the bathroom. She totally could have
Speaker 2: changed her mind, but no, she stuck to her guns
Speaker 2: and said, I don't care if Luke is bad mouthing
Speaker 2: me behind my back to the other guys that I'm dating.
Speaker 2: I committed to him early on and I am sticking
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she really did.
Speaker 2: I hate to say he didn't bad mouth, because he
Speaker 2: kind of did, but he was just like, hey, she
Speaker 2: didn't call me back, just a warning, like is that yeah?
Speaker 1: But finally the truth, finally someone said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're right. I shouldn't have done that. She even said
Speaker 1: she's gonna tell the other guys she's not interested. Didn't No, guy,
Speaker 1: bathroom talk is like that each other's.
Speaker 2: Oh, our backs, We got each other's fronts. It gets
Speaker 2: crazy in there when together. Sometimes we're not actually talking,
Speaker 2: we're just having each other's backsh and it's a good time.
Speaker 2: All I'm asking, though, is blind loyalty too much to ask?
Speaker 1: Yes, you should be blindly loyal to anyone?
Speaker 2: Okay, good? So then I will not ask all of
Speaker 2: our loyal listeners to subscribe to our podcast. In fact,
Speaker 2: feel free to unsubscribe because we believe in choices.
Speaker 1: There's nothing about blind about their loyalty. They know exactly
Speaker 1: what they're in for.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so click at your own risk. If you're
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