Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg's sound on
Speaker 1: Permitting reform is part of the I R A, and
Speaker 1: I intend to add it to the cr. These pipeline
Speaker 1: programs require the use of eminent domain, so you are
Speaker 1: taking people's properties. They feel that the bill is a
Speaker 1: skinny version, but he's actually saying, I'm going to hold
Speaker 1: this thing up. Bloomberg Sound on Politics, Policy and Perspective
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Speaker 1: the government set to run out of money and no
Speaker 1: bill yet. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, says
Speaker 1: the clock ticks on legislation to fund operations and debate
Speaker 1: bogged down by Senator Joe Mansion's energy permitting bill. We're
Speaker 1: gonna pinpoint which items will make the cut. We saw
Speaker 1: the text today, but it will look different by the
Speaker 1: time it finally gets through the grinder. Mia mc guinness
Speaker 1: of the Committee for a Responsible Budget is with us.
Speaker 1: In just a moment later, we introduce you to Bloomberg's
Speaker 1: new election denier tracker, joined by Bloomberg's national politics reporter
Speaker 1: Ryan Teague beckwith to identify which states in this midterm
Speaker 1: election cycle are most vulnerable to political election interference, and
Speaker 1: important conversation you won't want to miss. Our signature panelists
Speaker 1: here to dive even deeper. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Schanzano
Speaker 1: and Rick Davis are with us for the hour. Senator
Speaker 1: Joe Manchion makes a hail Mary pass on his energy
Speaker 1: permitting bill that's upset the left and the rights somehow,
Speaker 1: as as part of a stop gap funding bill that
Speaker 1: needs to be figured out by Friday. We've told you
Speaker 1: about this. They're going through the motions here, going through
Speaker 1: the votes, with this apparently set to fail. We're gonna
Speaker 1: find out shortly on that. Bloomberg reporting that Mansion has
Speaker 1: toned down his energy bill ahead of this vote, acting
Speaker 1: proposed changes to an environmental law that would make it
Speaker 1: harder for states to block the construction of pipelines. This
Speaker 1: is kind of a last minute sweetener that does not
Speaker 1: appear to be changing the vote count too much here,
Speaker 1: of course, Chuck Schumer, we better remember this was part
Speaker 1: of a deal, right, the Inflation Reduction Actor, the I
Speaker 1: r A, as the Wanks call it, was worked out
Speaker 1: behind closed doors between Joe Mansion and Chuck Schumer, the
Speaker 1: Majority Leader. Part of that deal was this, that this
Speaker 1: permitting bill gets done and also brings a pipeline to
Speaker 1: West Virginia. But the votes just aren't there, and Joe
Speaker 1: Mansion thinks it's political retribution. This was Chuck Schumer when
Speaker 1: he was asked about it at a briefing just a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. Permitting Reform is part of the
Speaker 1: I R A, and I intend to add it to
Speaker 1: the cr and get it done. Yes, are there any
Speaker 1: circumstances whatsoever that that could be taken out of the series.
Speaker 1: I'm just getting saying, I'll say it for two weeks
Speaker 1: in one day next, okay, and at a couple more days,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like it's going to be in
Speaker 1: there for much longer. It's not only Republicans who are
Speaker 1: saying no to this, and of course Joe Mansion, as
Speaker 1: we've told you, needs ten to make this happen, at
Speaker 1: least ten because some Democrats are not on board. Listen
Speaker 1: to Senator Tim Kine today who was speaking passionately against
Speaker 1: this idea, particularly because of the pipeline that would not
Speaker 1: only go through West Virginia, but his own state of Virginia.
Speaker 1: These pipeline programs require the use of eminent domain, So
Speaker 1: you are taking people's property to build these pipeline projects.
Speaker 1: And if the government is going to take people's property,
Speaker 1: we ought to have a process that's fair. Okay, Enter
Speaker 1: the Minority Leader Mitch McConnell for the Republican side of this,
Speaker 1: going so far as to call it a poison pill.
Speaker 1: The poison pill is a phony attempt to address an
Speaker 1: important topic of permitting reform. It is much too difficult
Speaker 1: to build things in America, an unleash American energy. Liberal
Speaker 1: regulations and red tape are a huge, huge part of
Speaker 1: the problem. That's why our Republicans are the leaders on
Speaker 1: this issue. That's why my colleague Senator capital Is introduced
Speaker 1: a strong, robust package. It would actually move the ball forward.
Speaker 1: What are democratic colleagues have produced is a phony fig leaf.
Speaker 1: It would actually set back the cause of real permitting reform. Well,
Speaker 1: I've got news for you. The poison pill or a
Speaker 1: fig leaf, it's not gonna matter because it just came out.
Speaker 1: We are bringing you the first draft of history. Of course,
Speaker 1: every day on sound On with headlines on the terminal,
Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer saying on the floor he has agreed to
Speaker 1: take the Mansion bill out of the stop gap, and
Speaker 1: this follows word from Mansion himself released the following statement
Speaker 1: just before this happen. It is unfortunate that members of
Speaker 1: the Senator allowing politics to put energy security of our
Speaker 1: nation at risk. He refers to Vladimir Putin continuing to
Speaker 1: weaponize energy and says, I've asked, because we are on
Speaker 1: the brink of a government shutdown over politics, I've asked
Speaker 1: Majority Leader Schumer to rever remove the permitting language from
Speaker 1: the CR. We vote on this evening. So do they
Speaker 1: just grease the skids we bring in? Maya McGinnis, what
Speaker 1: timing with the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget? Maya?
Speaker 1: Here we are it changed while you were dialing the phone.
Speaker 1: The permitting bill is not going to be in the
Speaker 1: final version? Is the rest going to stay in? So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's some breaking news. Um, the rest of what's in
Speaker 1: the CR. I think that they now know what's going
Speaker 1: to be passible in the CR, right, and so I
Speaker 1: think they're not going to have a problem passing that. UM,
Speaker 1: And they will probably have some aid in there for Ukraine,
Speaker 1: but it's going to be pretty full. This does not
Speaker 1: mean there's not going to be a showdown in mid December,
Speaker 1: because remember, this only gets us through guarantees one doesn't
Speaker 1: these will re emerge absolutely. I mean it was always
Speaker 1: going to play out that way, that we don't get
Speaker 1: anything done until the last minute, and that's when everything
Speaker 1: gets thrown in um. But it is going to be
Speaker 1: high stakes because Center Mansion felt that he had a
Speaker 1: real agreement on this permitting and I believe he believed
Speaker 1: that Republicans who did support the notion of permitan reform
Speaker 1: thought this was their best chance of getting something done,
Speaker 1: and so he was pretty optimistic not that long ago,
Speaker 1: and he is going to be frustrated. I have no
Speaker 1: doubt that it's had to be pulled at this time.
Speaker 1: Congressman Chuck Fliceman was on with US yesterday at this
Speaker 1: time Republican from Tennessee, who made it clear that a
Speaker 1: similar bill, maybe a little more abroad, maybe a little
Speaker 1: more fossil fuel friendly, with a different name on it,
Speaker 1: would get Republican support, and they just roll up their
Speaker 1: own version after the mid terms. Uh, they may but
Speaker 1: then they're not going to have the Democratic support. So
Speaker 1: the question Joe man is not going to vote for it, right, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. Joe Manson is one of
Speaker 1: the least partisan members there are, so this is obviously
Speaker 1: politics right where right before November. This is a bill
Speaker 1: that a lot of Republicans are interested and they should
Speaker 1: generally be supporting as much as they can get, but
Speaker 1: it will be a political win that they presumably don't
Speaker 1: want to afford the Democrats. But I don't see how
Speaker 1: it's going to a likelihood of it passing after the
Speaker 1: midterms is much more likely unless who knows all the
Speaker 1: different pieces that go into a December end of the
Speaker 1: year catch all. The one thing I know is it's
Speaker 1: going to be expensive and it's not going to be
Speaker 1: paid for. And that's what makes me my heart leap
Speaker 1: when I think about what a mess the end of
Speaker 1: the end of the year bill in December could be.
Speaker 1: And the one other thing I'd like to just throw out,
Speaker 1: we are doing all of this because Congress never passed
Speaker 1: the budget this year. Once again, Congress is ending a
Speaker 1: fiscal year never having passed the budget, and that should
Speaker 1: be something that everybody is more frustrated about it is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It seems like we were on the way to doing
Speaker 1: that at one point, but maybe I had a weird dream, uh, Maya.
Speaker 1: But to talk about what else is in this bill?
Speaker 1: To your point, Ukraine funding is twelve billion dollars. UH.
Speaker 1: There's also money UH for UH cleaning up after storms,
Speaker 1: resilience and so forth. With that in mind and the
Speaker 1: hurricane passing, of course, everyone is is good with that.
Speaker 1: But the the twenty two billion dollars in COVID funding
Speaker 1: that the President requested UH did not get included, nor
Speaker 1: did the four and a half billion for monkeypox cases.
Speaker 1: We've had experts tell us that there is another likely
Speaker 1: surge coming in the summer, likely a new strain, and
Speaker 1: this administration maya will be blamed when the tests and
Speaker 1: the vaccines are not available. Well, that is that is
Speaker 1: certainly true. UM. I think the argument is that there's
Speaker 1: been so much money pumped into the economy for various
Speaker 1: pandemic measures, and some of it is still underspent that
Speaker 1: there is the argument you could repurpose this or use
Speaker 1: the things differently. Now, a lot of that money has
Speaker 1: already been authorized or promised, so it's not as though
Speaker 1: we're swimming in dollars ready to move to these things.
Speaker 1: But I think it's a fair point that it's not
Speaker 1: clear new dollars are needed yet. It's more about the
Speaker 1: actual operations of getting getting all of these things organized
Speaker 1: and out into the economy. It didn't help that Joe
Speaker 1: mansion or forgive me, Joe Biden said on sixty Minutes,
Speaker 1: the pandemic was over. A lot of Republicans are pointing
Speaker 1: to that as as a reason to take it out.
Speaker 1: There are some unfortunate cross messaging. Absolutely, that was at
Speaker 1: odds with a lot of the policies that he's been
Speaker 1: saying about needing more funding, needing more emergency funding. Even
Speaker 1: the student debt was premised on an argument that you're
Speaker 1: allowed to provide that kind of relief because you're in
Speaker 1: an emergency. And so he was talking at odds with
Speaker 1: his own messaging when he said the pandemic was over. Um,
Speaker 1: clearly we all hope he's right. We hope the pandemic
Speaker 1: is over. Right. So the rest of this week, this
Speaker 1: goes to the House and so like they'll they'll put
Speaker 1: it through the Senate back without the permit. Bill that
Speaker 1: gets the vote goes to the House. This is done right.
Speaker 1: You're not worried about Friday. I am not worried about Friday. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: there have been too many times where I've said that
Speaker 1: and then next thing, I've normally been in the government shutdown.
Speaker 1: So there's been many years of anything you're not worried about,
Speaker 1: you probably should worry. But I am truly not worried
Speaker 1: about Friday. We are not going to have a shutdown.
Speaker 1: There is a midterm election that everybody wants to get
Speaker 1: back to where they need to be in campaign really
Speaker 1: really hard. So I think this week is kind of
Speaker 1: an easy going week, um, relative to normal, which is
Speaker 1: nothing's easy going. But I think how different is that
Speaker 1: going to be in December, knowing that it will be informed,
Speaker 1: of course by the results of the mid terms. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: all eyes on December. Seriously. There are so many different
Speaker 1: things that I could imagine they will be putting into
Speaker 1: an end of the year package. Um. Various different expiring
Speaker 1: tax cuts the Republicans want, child tax credit that Democrats
Speaker 1: have talked about, various interest groups, physician payment bonuses that
Speaker 1: are expiring. There's a pay goes like the list of
Speaker 1: budget things go on. The important thing to know is
Speaker 1: that the price tag is huge. Easily we're talking a
Speaker 1: hundred billion or more just for one year costs and
Speaker 1: closer to a trillion for ten year costs of the things.
Speaker 1: I am worried they're going to try to stick into
Speaker 1: this bill, so it's now Here's it's a simple ask.
Speaker 1: But what if we just ask Congress not to borrow
Speaker 1: anymore for the rest of this calendar year just three months?
Speaker 1: If they wanted to add any bills and it's just
Speaker 1: a thought, what if they tried paying for it? Uh? Well, boy,
Speaker 1: if we only had more time to talk about deficit reduction, Maya,
Speaker 1: there's so much where that came from. But I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see where Kevin McCarthy comes in on a lot
Speaker 1: of this, particularly if he's on his way to holding
Speaker 1: the Gavil great to talk with miamc Guinness as always,
Speaker 1: Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget with us UH on
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound on. We need to assemble the panel and
Speaker 1: get their take on this incredible turn of events here
Speaker 1: as Joe Manchion's Energy permitting reform bill is jettison before
Speaker 1: it even got to a vote. Rick Davis and Genie
Speaker 1: Schanzano Bloomberg Politics Contributors. Way in next, I'm Joe Matthew.
Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with
Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. So did Joe Manchin just
Speaker 1: get served? His energy permitting bill was just axed in
Speaker 1: the Senate, allowing a government funding bill to move forward.
Speaker 1: This all unfolding. Since we have taken air this hour,
Speaker 1: let's assemble the panel. Jennie Schanzano and Rick Davis make
Speaker 1: up our signature panel Bloomberg Politics Contributors. And how about this,
Speaker 1: Genie he's been talking about Joe Manchon has been talking
Speaker 1: about revenge politics for the last week and a half,
Speaker 1: almost predicting this was going to happen. Has he finally
Speaker 1: gotten his due for all the build back better business
Speaker 1: and now this deal that seemed to upset so many members.
Speaker 1: He's got to be very frustrated at this point. I
Speaker 1: think he felt like over this weekend as he pushed,
Speaker 1: you know, on the airwaves. In the newspapers we heard
Speaker 1: he was dialing, making phone calls. He thought he could
Speaker 1: maybe get to sixty. He obviously realized today he couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. He wasn't going to stand there and allow
Speaker 1: the government be shut down. But a lot of the
Speaker 1: commentary is going to be his question about whether he
Speaker 1: got played by Chuck Schumer. And you know, that's not
Speaker 1: a position I think Joe Manchin is, you know, found
Speaker 1: himself to you. Did Chuck Schumer know when this deal
Speaker 1: was made that you know what, this is probably not
Speaker 1: gonna pass, but we're going to make this deal and
Speaker 1: go ahead with it. Well, you know, I've got to
Speaker 1: imagine that if you know Chuck Schumer and Joe Manchin,
Speaker 1: I I can't understand to the for the life of
Speaker 1: me why they didn't make the case to liberals that
Speaker 1: this kind of reform is needed so you could pass
Speaker 1: green energy so we can grow green under g I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the case to make, and apparently they didn't do that.
Speaker 1: Even so, you know, where does that leave you. They
Speaker 1: made a deal apparently between a few of them, and
Speaker 1: they didn't have the votes to push it through. Rick Davis. Republicans,
Speaker 1: as Mitch McConnell said earlier, have claimed to own this issue.
Speaker 1: This is something that we've been told as a matter
Speaker 1: of national security, that's a matter of our own independence
Speaker 1: here as a nation instead of going to bad guys,
Speaker 1: you know, let's start drilling more domestically. Was this in
Speaker 1: fact revenge politics? Will Republicans simply turn their own version
Speaker 1: after November? You know, I think there'll be a different
Speaker 1: bill after November for sure, and and I would imagine
Speaker 1: that the vast majority of Republicans will support it. This
Speaker 1: was brought to really national attention, uh during the summer
Speaker 1: when President Biden was assembling all these oil executives and said, look,
Speaker 1: you guys need to get you know, pumping more oil.
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, you need to give us our
Speaker 1: permits so that we can do it. So this was
Speaker 1: a sort of iterational change for for the industry to
Speaker 1: try and get this done. And by the way, critically
Speaker 1: important is is is um, Genie says, for the climate
Speaker 1: um industry, the especially nuclear plants, which have been held
Speaker 1: up substantially by this lack of permitting reform. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. And I think that the point that
Speaker 1: Genie is making about they should have sold this harder
Speaker 1: as a clean energy alternative. Um. You know, but like
Speaker 1: you can't expect from Mansion to do that. He doesn't
Speaker 1: believe in any of that, so he also can't sell
Speaker 1: a secret deal, Rick, and that's what upset so many
Speaker 1: people to begin with. Now, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I mean there's secret deals all the time. I mean
Speaker 1: it did, it did upset people because I think that
Speaker 1: the real crux of it was that the Democrats jammed
Speaker 1: through UM something as UH. I would say, arbitrary as
Speaker 1: all the sweetheart deals that they got out of the
Speaker 1: UH Inflation Reduction Act and then calling it an inflation
Speaker 1: reduction Act. I would say that's probably what upset Republicans
Speaker 1: more than anything, because it had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the inflation reduction. What do you make of the COVID
Speaker 1: and monkeypox money being left out of this bill, Jennie?
Speaker 1: Is that a fight for another day for this White House?
Speaker 1: Are they just gonna go short funded through the winter.
Speaker 1: It looks like they're going to go short funded, and
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how they fight for it now?
Speaker 1: Is to your point? The President went on national TV
Speaker 1: and said the pandemic was over, and then they had
Speaker 1: to try to clean that up. So they may try
Speaker 1: to circle back on that, but I think that's going
Speaker 1: to be hard and time is not on their side,
Speaker 1: and they better hope, as we all do, for you know,
Speaker 1: all of our sakes, that the pandemic doesn't get any
Speaker 1: worse and they find themselves in a terribly difficult position
Speaker 1: in a couple of months because of this you know,
Speaker 1: lapse that they've had. Do we revisit this, uh, this time,
Speaker 1: this bit of timing. Rick, if there is in fact
Speaker 1: another strain, another surge in the winter, and people are
Speaker 1: are found to be short supplies, vaccines, etcetera, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it'll be even more complex because states are sitting
Speaker 1: on still enormous amounts of money from the initial relief
Speaker 1: bills for COVID and billions and billions of dollars for
Speaker 1: use in mitigating effects of COVID, and and the ones
Speaker 1: that are planning properly are stockpiling kits to test and
Speaker 1: aren't they're going to have cash available to buy vaccines
Speaker 1: and and and and so I think those that aren't
Speaker 1: and are using those funds for other things are are
Speaker 1: more likely to be caught short. And sadly, that runs
Speaker 1: along partisan lines. So um, I think that it's gonna
Speaker 1: exacerbate our political divide. Uh. If if we do have
Speaker 1: a another surge in COVID, and you can almost write
Speaker 1: it in advance. We've been through this enough times. I
Speaker 1: wonder what you both think in our remaining time about
Speaker 1: what we're headed for in December. This is going to
Speaker 1: go through December six after the mid terms, and Miamic
Speaker 1: Guinness's tone, uh is one that many share in Washington.
Speaker 1: What kind of a standoff is this going to be?
Speaker 1: Genie A We're gonna actually talk about a shutdown? I
Speaker 1: I think we will be there again. And I was
Speaker 1: just looking at the g A O. Congress has issued
Speaker 1: crs and forty three of the last forty six fiscal
Speaker 1: years talk about an F minus in terms of their
Speaker 1: ability to do the basic job they were sent there
Speaker 1: to do. You want to know why people are frustrated
Speaker 1: with government, That's a good example. And I think we
Speaker 1: will be facing a really tough battle in December. I
Speaker 1: know you love that whole story here, Rick, but what's
Speaker 1: December look like? Well, I'm glad I'm not in her
Speaker 1: class because I probably get I would not fail you, Rick,
Speaker 1: But but look, I mean, it's only going to be
Speaker 1: hard if we actually have some fiscal restraint. Like my
Speaker 1: point is, if you actually tighten the belt and don't
Speaker 1: create new debt. Then then it's gonna be hard choices.
Speaker 1: But this is a spending free Congress, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's not going to be held up by the administration.
Speaker 1: So who's going to govern this? I have a lot
Speaker 1: of people with points to prove after the elections. Rick
Speaker 1: and Jennie our signature panel with us, Joe Matthew. This
Speaker 1: is Bloomberg. It's the fastest hour in politics. Bloomberg. Sound on.
Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew and Washington. Quite the revealed today by CNN.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be I'm assuming part of this
Speaker 1: January six committee hearing tomorrow. We don't ever really know
Speaker 1: what they're going to do in these hearings. But that's
Speaker 1: the report clips from Roger Stone, uh that was filmed
Speaker 1: for a documentary months before the election, not before January six.
Speaker 1: Before the election. It brings us back to July is
Speaker 1: in a hotel room, uh here in Washington, talking about
Speaker 1: his approach, his plans. Had to bleep out some of
Speaker 1: the words for this looming election, remembering that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: was behind in the polls at that point. Listened to
Speaker 1: Roger Stone, what they're assuming is the election will be normal.
Speaker 1: The election wimal Oh, these are the California results. Sorry,
Speaker 1: we're not accepting that. We're challenging the recurt If the
Speaker 1: actors show up at the at the electoral College, arm
Speaker 1: guards will throw them out. I'm the president. You stealing Florida.
Speaker 1: You're not stealing of challenging all of it. And the
Speaker 1: judges were going to our judges. I appointed, you're not
Speaker 1: stealing the election. That's what That's basically what Bush did
Speaker 1: to Gore. Well, I'm not so sure about that, but
Speaker 1: revealing how to stop the steel would work. If they
Speaker 1: want to run a bunch of fake ballots, we'll have
Speaker 1: an investigation. We'll see these ballots. Your faith, your results
Speaker 1: are invalidating. Goodbye. That's the way it's gonna have to look. Well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really nasty while, but you cannot count
Speaker 1: on you're not gonna get an honest election. Right. So
Speaker 1: let's say that Trump is a little behind right now,
Speaker 1: but she probably is. That doesn't bother me. But even
Speaker 1: if he wins an honest election, we're not going to
Speaker 1: have an honest election on it. They're gonna steal it.
Speaker 1: They're steal in his blind and farn right now incredible.
Speaker 1: Uh Stone released the statement, by the way, challenging the
Speaker 1: accuracy and authenticity of the video. Go look at it yourself.
Speaker 1: He's right there talking in the hotel room on camera.
Speaker 1: But it brings us to a remarkable piece of journalism
Speaker 1: by Bloomberg and something that really got our attention today
Speaker 1: that we wanted to focus on on the broadcast. Here
Speaker 1: our election denier Tracker, the US Election Risk Index, a
Speaker 1: team of journal to Sarah Bloomberg, a set to find
Speaker 1: out which states are most vulnerable to election interference as
Speaker 1: we look ahead tow four here right, these guys, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine how much time they spent on this as
Speaker 1: they went through laws in all fifty states and as
Speaker 1: I read here on the terminal, you can look at
Speaker 1: this with a remarkable cross section of data and graphics
Speaker 1: that they cooked this down to five U S States?
Speaker 1: What will decide if the election can be stolen? In
Speaker 1: joining us from our Washington bureau talk a little bit
Speaker 1: more about it as Bloomberg News National politics reporter Ryan
Speaker 1: Tique back with Ryan. Congrats. First of all, I know
Speaker 1: you've got more coming on this, an update coming on this,
Speaker 1: but congrats on this monster piece of journalism. Thanks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a lot of work to go
Speaker 1: through not just all the laws that have changed since, uh,
Speaker 1: but also all the bills that have been proposed, and
Speaker 1: there were it was a huge jump in the number
Speaker 1: of bills that were proposed in the last two years.
Speaker 1: You write, Republicans have sought to remove state officials who
Speaker 1: would not manufacture votes and falsely declare him the winner. Uh.
Speaker 1: They changed the way elections are run in response to
Speaker 1: his conspiracy theories. They've nominated people who insist Trump won
Speaker 1: as candidates for US Congress and governor for offices that
Speaker 1: certify the outcome. That's the key there. Uh. And as
Speaker 1: you dug into this, I was kind of amazed to
Speaker 1: find that that your takeaway is basically everything's going to
Speaker 1: be fine. Well, I mean by takeaway was that the
Speaker 1: people are much more important to watch than the laws. Um.
Speaker 1: We went into this early in the process when there
Speaker 1: were still a lot of bills out there that would
Speaker 1: have dramatically changed how elections were certified, and I have
Speaker 1: to say that most of the bills that were the
Speaker 1: most concerning didn't end up going anywhere. Um. And that
Speaker 1: actually it's easier to vote in a lot of the
Speaker 1: parts of that country than it was before. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a great thing that there were bills that
Speaker 1: were clearly inspired by conspiracy theories about the election. Um.
Speaker 1: But when we looked at how those bills actually worked,
Speaker 1: like a lot of them were relatively harmless, Like they
Speaker 1: either wouldn't do much or might actually not be that
Speaker 1: bad of it idea. As an example, one of Trump's
Speaker 1: theories was that you know, nest thermostats and Italian satellites
Speaker 1: were changing votes on a voting machines. UM. And so several, yeah,
Speaker 1: several states passed bills that mandated that voting machines can't
Speaker 1: be connected to the Internet, and they were clearly responding
Speaker 1: to that theory. Now there's no evidence for that theory.
Speaker 1: Most voting machines are not connected to the internet. Um.
Speaker 1: But that said, like, there's not really any harm in
Speaker 1: passing a law saying that they shouldn't be I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really see the problem with that.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's great like where those
Speaker 1: bills were coming from or why they were passed, but
Speaker 1: like ultimately fairly harmless, And I think a lot of
Speaker 1: the other changes that we found there were restrictions to bills,
Speaker 1: and they were sort of quibbling around the edges. Nobody
Speaker 1: really wants to upend the apple cart, especially when you
Speaker 1: consider that most of the people voting in these bills
Speaker 1: were elected under these laws. There were three bills that
Speaker 1: I saw that we're concerning. UM. One was in Florida,
Speaker 1: where the governor now has an election police force that
Speaker 1: reports directly to him. Uh that's problematic. UM. In Florida
Speaker 1: Governor Rhonda Santis and and he used that that law
Speaker 1: just before the primary when he had Bryan, let's look
Speaker 1: at just so people understand the five states we're talking
Speaker 1: about here, right, Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin. Impossible Republican win
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania will determine, as you write, who's in charge
Speaker 1: of making election decisions in states where the White House
Speaker 1: is won or lost. Uh So, with with that said,
Speaker 1: it's going to depend a lot on what happens in
Speaker 1: the midterm elections before you can really make a judgment
Speaker 1: on that fair. Yeah, I mean, I'm really watching closely,
Speaker 1: like governors, the governor's race in Pennsylvania. UM. Doug Mastriano,
Speaker 1: the Republican nominee there, was heavily involved in Trump's efforts
Speaker 1: to overturn his loss in t and he's promised to
Speaker 1: appoint an election denier a secretary of state, to throw
Speaker 1: out all of the state's voter registrations, to decertifial of
Speaker 1: the voting machines. Um, there's a lot of chaos that
Speaker 1: he could create if he wins. And he's currently down
Speaker 1: in the polls, but it's close. Uh, you know, he
Speaker 1: could win their Arizona is the other state I'm not
Speaker 1: really watching closely because the governor, secretary of state, attorney general,
Speaker 1: and Senate candidate there all are really strong election deniers.
Speaker 1: One of them even ran an ad that just began
Speaker 1: with like I think Donald Trump won Inies. Know that
Speaker 1: state has may come a real locus of these efforts.
Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff and I really encourage everybody to go find
Speaker 1: it on the terminal. Five U S states that will
Speaker 1: decide if the election can be stolen. Ryan Tekbeck with
Speaker 1: thank you so much, and come back when the update
Speaker 1: hits the terminal. We're gonna have a lot more data
Speaker 1: to share because hey, you don't have to hear it
Speaker 1: from me, But this is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg.
Speaker 1: You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. There
Speaker 1: will be no January six Committee hearing tomorrow. If we
Speaker 1: didn't have a chance to mention that it was postponed.
Speaker 1: Not sure actually until when. But they're not holding this
Speaker 1: hearing in the House. It was not going to be
Speaker 1: prime time. It was gonna be midday, one o'clock. And
Speaker 1: I think the concern was split screen with the hurricane.
Speaker 1: Of course that that is specifically why uh the January
Speaker 1: six Committee with this on hold? Interesting unknown when it
Speaker 1: will happen feasibly ever closer to the mid term elections.
Speaker 1: Let's reassemble the panel. Jeannie Shanzano is back with Brick Davis,
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors. Rick, when I heard about this today,
Speaker 1: when I saw the tweet from the jan six Committee,
Speaker 1: I thought about you running a convention for the Republican
Speaker 1: Party just as a hurricane was about to hit, I
Speaker 1: believe New Orleans and you were faced with a decision
Speaker 1: like that. Do you think they did the right thing? Sure? Um,
Speaker 1: same thing we did. Um. We postponed the first day
Speaker 1: of a national convention. I mean, who wants to give
Speaker 1: away for full night of free media and uh celebration
Speaker 1: and excitement with twenty thousand people, you know, But uh,
Speaker 1: the reality is that you cannot distract the country's focus
Speaker 1: when a place like Florida, New Orleans or anywhere else
Speaker 1: is undersiege by nature and um and so I think
Speaker 1: we made the right decision. I think it all worked
Speaker 1: out fine, But unfortunately these things are unpredictable, and I
Speaker 1: think they've done the right thing. But anybody who thinks
Speaker 1: they can blow through a hurricane is uh of questionable sanity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and of course you know this wasn't the celebration like
Speaker 1: a convention, genie. This was actually going to be a
Speaker 1: serious obviously a serious news event, one that Republicans call
Speaker 1: a political exercise. But they'll be criticized for doing this
Speaker 1: closer to November, will they not. They may face that,
Speaker 1: but they absolutely made the right decision. It would be
Speaker 1: in in very poor taste, amongst other things, for them
Speaker 1: to try to do this tomorrow in the midst of
Speaker 1: what looks to be a potentially massive hurricane bearing down
Speaker 1: in the southern part of the country. So they made
Speaker 1: the right decision. Whether they get criticism or blowback from that.
Speaker 1: They're going to have to deal with that, and they'll
Speaker 1: be rightly be able to point to the reasons that
Speaker 1: they did. This blowback from Roger Stone. You might have
Speaker 1: heard his remarks a little bit earlier released by CNN
Speaker 1: that we're filmed by a documentary crew months be four election.
Speaker 1: He says the film is not accurate. He's challenging the
Speaker 1: authenticity of the video. But here here's a taste again
Speaker 1: of what he said months before people went to vote.
Speaker 1: If they want to run a bunch of fake ballots,
Speaker 1: we'll have an investigation. Well, bounce your fake, your resulter invalidating, goodbye.
Speaker 1: That's the way it's gonna have to look. Club. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be really nasty while. But you cannot count on
Speaker 1: you're not going to get an honest election. Right So,
Speaker 1: let's say that Trump is a little behind right now,
Speaker 1: but she probably is. That doesn't bother me. But even
Speaker 1: if he wins an honest election, we're not going to
Speaker 1: have an honest got it. They're gonna still what they're
Speaker 1: still on his finding far and right now, how does
Speaker 1: this inform the investigation? Rick The idea that this conversation
Speaker 1: was happening over the summer. Uh in terms of the
Speaker 1: January six Committee rapping this investigation once and for all. Well,
Speaker 1: we heard it, uh first from Donald Trump on the stump.
Speaker 1: He was claiming he was gonna get stolen throughout the
Speaker 1: course of the last month of the campaign. So he
Speaker 1: was is predicting the future, and I think predicting based
Speaker 1: on a plan that they had. I mean, Roger Stone
Speaker 1: has been around a lot of campaigns, and he's had
Speaker 1: issues with ballot security and other things that he's pushed
Speaker 1: limits to, uh in the past, and it does not
Speaker 1: shock me, does not surprise me that that he would
Speaker 1: be shooting his mouth off right before in the election
Speaker 1: with the camera crew. He gets kind of crazy in
Speaker 1: front of cameras and so, UM, I just think this
Speaker 1: is declaring the obvious. I mean, for anybody who didn't
Speaker 1: think this is what they were thinking, I think that
Speaker 1: they miss miss read what Donald Trump was telling him
Speaker 1: all through the last couple of months of the election.
Speaker 1: To be seeing out loud, though, Genie, it's almost like
Speaker 1: he was kind of going through this in his own mind. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, the elevator pitch for the president here, Uh,
Speaker 1: the the election be decided in the courts this will
Speaker 1: not be an honest election. The idea of using fake
Speaker 1: electors this went way back, it did. And the stunning
Speaker 1: part to me, and you played part of this clip,
Speaker 1: is that this is what he's talk about is exactly
Speaker 1: what happened Donald Trump was behind and he lays out
Speaker 1: verbatim exact you know, prior obviously to the election, exactly
Speaker 1: what happened in the aftermath when Donald Trump lost the election.
Speaker 1: And it's really chilling, is the word that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: And whether he claims that the tape was doctored or not,
Speaker 1: precisely what they capture him as saying is exactly what
Speaker 1: the country in the world ended up witnessing. And so
Speaker 1: you know, it's not surprising that January six committee is
Speaker 1: going to use this, which we we understand they will,
Speaker 1: and it's not surprising he's calling foul at this point. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know how this factors into the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice investigation at the same time here, Rick, but I
Speaker 1: feel like we should be paying attention to whatever extent
Speaker 1: we can and they're not telling us a lot. But
Speaker 1: that's where the rubber meets the road here, right Once
Speaker 1: the January six Committee is done, we'll get the final report.
Speaker 1: I don't know that there'll be any bombshells in there.
Speaker 1: Any October surprise is obviously, or we wouldn't call it that.
Speaker 1: But it strikes me that their work is about complete,
Speaker 1: that we have a sense of what they learned. Am
Speaker 1: I write? Yeah? I think that this is more of
Speaker 1: a summation than anything, although I would think that they
Speaker 1: might want to focus in a little bit more on
Speaker 1: Roger Stone, who hasn't got much attention by the January
Speaker 1: six Committee. He's the closer, but he certainly put himself
Speaker 1: in that place today, and I think that that kind
Speaker 1: of sows together so much of the point they're trying
Speaker 1: to make, which is this was a plan. It was
Speaker 1: executed after the election, and it was meant to try
Speaker 1: and overturn a legitimate election. And so wow, Uh, Roger,
Speaker 1: you know you did a good job of writing the
Speaker 1: PostScript to a January six uh committee meeting. Unintended consequences
Speaker 1: or hell sometimes quite quite quite remarkable. Uh. There was
Speaker 1: another CNN report you needed A phone call was intercepted
Speaker 1: here by investigators. A phone call from a White House
Speaker 1: phone number to an individual who was inside the US
Speaker 1: Capitol one of the quote unquote rioters. I don't know
Speaker 1: what he was doing there, but he was at the
Speaker 1: Capitol and and a call that lasted less than ten
Speaker 1: seconds was was made to that cell phone. There are
Speaker 1: answers to questions like these that could advance this investigation.
Speaker 1: It seems to me you think we'll find out what
Speaker 1: that was. I think we may get more information. I mean,
Speaker 1: since this came out on Sunday as a result of
Speaker 1: this book that is coming out by Denver Rigg Leman, Um,
Speaker 1: we have learned a bit more. We've learned, you know,
Speaker 1: the caller was, as you mentioned, somebody who was at
Speaker 1: the Capitol and a somebody from New York. And so
Speaker 1: I think we may start to hear a little bit more.
Speaker 1: It's unclear whether we will in the hearings themselves or not.
Speaker 1: But I think the real question here about both the
Speaker 1: call and Roger Stone. We know Roger Stone is connected
Speaker 1: to these extremist groups. The question in both cases is
Speaker 1: going to be can they connected to the former president?
Speaker 1: Can they tie these extremist groups visa vi roger Stone
Speaker 1: or these phone calls that were made from the White House.
Speaker 1: Two people on the ground at the Capitol to the President,
Speaker 1: because that would be critical if you're talking about something
Speaker 1: like a criminal referral to the Justice Department from the
Speaker 1: Junior Six Committee, which of course we don't know yet
Speaker 1: whether they're going to make or not. We'll give this
Speaker 1: a minute to breathe before we start naming names. But
Speaker 1: they did trace that call, uh, and you know it's
Speaker 1: not too hard to do that these days. I suspect
Speaker 1: we'll be hearing more about it. Rick and Jennie with
Speaker 1: us here on Bloomberg Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew. And
Speaker 1: as ever, when we start talking about governments and the
Speaker 1: doings in Washington, that which our government produces NASA is
Speaker 1: again the tonic, the salve for our problems. You heard
Speaker 1: about the Dart mission. This is where we ended yesterday. Man,
Speaker 1: they smack that thing right into not an asteroid, by
Speaker 1: the way, don't call it an asteroid. I learned this.
Speaker 1: You know. You might call it affectionately a space rock,
Speaker 1: but it's a moonlight. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: knew that it's a moonlight six point eight million miles
Speaker 1: away for the Earth and the test. My god, let's
Speaker 1: get in the control room right now. Just as the
Speaker 1: dart was about to hit the moonlight. Just listen to
Speaker 1: the elation in the control room. They're getting close. They're
Speaker 1: looking at the video three. Well not quite, well, hang on,
Speaker 1: not quite, it's getting closer. Yes, they see boulders, they
Speaker 1: can make out the surface. It really is incredible. We're
Speaker 1: watching this in real time, seven million miles away. Yes,
Speaker 1: we do defense. Yea, they say. In case you're keeping score,
Speaker 1: humanity one asteroid zero should say moonlight and asked. The
Speaker 1: spokesperson said during the live stream after the impact, Rick,
Speaker 1: I know you love this stuff as much as I do.
Speaker 1: It is one of the few things we can say
Speaker 1: that the government is doing without controversy, and they're actually,
Speaker 1: in this case protecting human kind. Yeah, I'm here to
Speaker 1: name names. And it's not a moonlit. It's dimorphous. Dimorphus
Speaker 1: was hit and and NASA calls it dimorphus. I'm calling
Speaker 1: it dimorphus. And so I think it's wonderful that we've
Speaker 1: named the moonlit that we just hit with a spacecraft
Speaker 1: to get it out of trajectory. It's gonna take us
Speaker 1: a week to know is that thing moved? But I
Speaker 1: must admit the only thing that was lacking by that
Speaker 1: clip was a nice swell of the orchestra in the
Speaker 1: background as we say goodbye to Dimorphus. Now, I think
Speaker 1: it's wonderful stuff that we have people who actually spend
Speaker 1: the time and money to UH, to create these opportunities.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just what you always wanted from NASA, right,
Speaker 1: thinking of these things and executing them flawlessly well done.
Speaker 1: This is yes, and this is real stuff, Genie. I
Speaker 1: mean to think that they could save the planet someday. Uh,
Speaker 1: And people take that for granted. We'll remember when this
Speaker 1: crazy thing went up and people thought it was it
Speaker 1: was a crazy idea, but it will take some time.
Speaker 1: All they have to do is nudge it though, Genie.
Speaker 1: They don't have to throw this thing into outer space,
Speaker 1: just nudge it out of the way. Yeah. And they
Speaker 1: did it all without Ben Affleck, which was stunning and
Speaker 1: in honor of you and and Rick. I did watch
Speaker 1: it live last night and it was fascinating. I agree
Speaker 1: with Rick. They could have used some music, like you
Speaker 1: always do the music, Joe. You should go help NASA
Speaker 1: do the music. But what's stunning, to your point is
Speaker 1: we can or not we NASA can move and hit,
Speaker 1: blow up a spaceship, potentially move an asteroid off of
Speaker 1: its orbit, and we can't get Congress to cast past
Speaker 1: the budget n time. It's stunning here, Gen Chanzano, well
Speaker 1: said and Rick Davis, our signature panel. Look at the
Speaker 1: image of this thing. You can count the rocks on
Speaker 1: the Marsh visit dim morphous. Yeah wait, Matt, those are
Speaker 1: your car keys. This is Bloomberg.