1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg's sound on 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: Permitting reform is part of the I R A, and 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: I intend to add it to the cr. These pipeline 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: programs require the use of eminent domain, so you are 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: taking people's properties. They feel that the bill is a 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: skinny version, but he's actually saying, I'm going to hold 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: this thing up. Bloomberg Sound on Politics, Policy and Perspective 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: from DC's top names. To see so beautifully concluded today 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: was just an incredible feeling, and we have Bloomberg Sound 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Three days until 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: the government set to run out of money and no 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: bill yet. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, says 13 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: the clock ticks on legislation to fund operations and debate 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: bogged down by Senator Joe Mansion's energy permitting bill. We're 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: gonna pinpoint which items will make the cut. We saw 16 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: the text today, but it will look different by the 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: time it finally gets through the grinder. Mia mc guinness 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: of the Committee for a Responsible Budget is with us. 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: In just a moment later, we introduce you to Bloomberg's 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: new election denier tracker, joined by Bloomberg's national politics reporter 21 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: Ryan Teague beckwith to identify which states in this midterm 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: election cycle are most vulnerable to political election interference, and 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: important conversation you won't want to miss. Our signature panelists 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: here to dive even deeper. Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Schanzano 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: and Rick Davis are with us for the hour. Senator 26 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: Joe Manchion makes a hail Mary pass on his energy 27 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: permitting bill that's upset the left and the rights somehow, 28 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: as as part of a stop gap funding bill that 29 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: needs to be figured out by Friday. We've told you 30 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: about this. They're going through the motions here, going through 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: the votes, with this apparently set to fail. We're gonna 32 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 1: find out shortly on that. Bloomberg reporting that Mansion has 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: toned down his energy bill ahead of this vote, acting 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: proposed changes to an environmental law that would make it 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: harder for states to block the construction of pipelines. This 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: is kind of a last minute sweetener that does not 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: appear to be changing the vote count too much here, 38 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: of course, Chuck Schumer, we better remember this was part 39 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: of a deal, right, the Inflation Reduction Actor, the I 40 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: r A, as the Wanks call it, was worked out 41 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: behind closed doors between Joe Mansion and Chuck Schumer, the 42 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: Majority Leader. Part of that deal was this, that this 43 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: permitting bill gets done and also brings a pipeline to 44 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: West Virginia. But the votes just aren't there, and Joe 45 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: Mansion thinks it's political retribution. This was Chuck Schumer when 46 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: he was asked about it at a briefing just a 47 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: couple of days ago. Permitting Reform is part of the 48 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: I R A, and I intend to add it to 49 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: the cr and get it done. Yes, are there any 50 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: circumstances whatsoever that that could be taken out of the series. 51 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: I'm just getting saying, I'll say it for two weeks 52 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: in one day next, okay, and at a couple more days, 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like it's going to be in 54 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: there for much longer. It's not only Republicans who are 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: saying no to this, and of course Joe Mansion, as 56 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: we've told you, needs ten to make this happen, at 57 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: least ten because some Democrats are not on board. Listen 58 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: to Senator Tim Kine today who was speaking passionately against 59 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: this idea, particularly because of the pipeline that would not 60 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: only go through West Virginia, but his own state of Virginia. 61 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: These pipeline programs require the use of eminent domain, So 62 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: you are taking people's property to build these pipeline projects. 63 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: And if the government is going to take people's property, 64 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: we ought to have a process that's fair. Okay, Enter 65 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: the Minority Leader Mitch McConnell for the Republican side of this, 66 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: going so far as to call it a poison pill. 67 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: The poison pill is a phony attempt to address an 68 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: important topic of permitting reform. It is much too difficult 69 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: to build things in America, an unleash American energy. Liberal 70 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: regulations and red tape are a huge, huge part of 71 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: the problem. That's why our Republicans are the leaders on 72 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: this issue. That's why my colleague Senator capital Is introduced 73 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: a strong, robust package. It would actually move the ball forward. 74 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: What are democratic colleagues have produced is a phony fig leaf. 75 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: It would actually set back the cause of real permitting reform. Well, 76 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: I've got news for you. The poison pill or a 77 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: fig leaf, it's not gonna matter because it just came out. 78 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 1: We are bringing you the first draft of history. Of course, 79 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: every day on sound On with headlines on the terminal, 80 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer saying on the floor he has agreed to 81 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: take the Mansion bill out of the stop gap, and 82 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: this follows word from Mansion himself released the following statement 83 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: just before this happen. It is unfortunate that members of 84 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: the Senator allowing politics to put energy security of our 85 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: nation at risk. He refers to Vladimir Putin continuing to 86 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: weaponize energy and says, I've asked, because we are on 87 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: the brink of a government shutdown over politics, I've asked 88 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: Majority Leader Schumer to rever remove the permitting language from 89 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: the CR. We vote on this evening. So do they 90 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: just grease the skids we bring in? Maya McGinnis, what 91 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: timing with the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget? Maya? 92 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: Here we are it changed while you were dialing the phone. 93 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: The permitting bill is not going to be in the 94 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: final version? Is the rest going to stay in? So yeah, 95 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: that's some breaking news. Um, the rest of what's in 96 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: the CR. I think that they now know what's going 97 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: to be passible in the CR, right, and so I 98 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: think they're not going to have a problem passing that. UM, 99 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: And they will probably have some aid in there for Ukraine, 100 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: but it's going to be pretty full. This does not 101 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: mean there's not going to be a showdown in mid December, 102 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: because remember, this only gets us through guarantees one doesn't 103 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: these will re emerge absolutely. I mean it was always 104 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: going to play out that way, that we don't get 105 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: anything done until the last minute, and that's when everything 106 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: gets thrown in um. But it is going to be 107 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: high stakes because Center Mansion felt that he had a 108 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: real agreement on this permitting and I believe he believed 109 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: that Republicans who did support the notion of permitan reform 110 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: thought this was their best chance of getting something done, 111 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: and so he was pretty optimistic not that long ago, 112 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: and he is going to be frustrated. I have no 113 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: doubt that it's had to be pulled at this time. 114 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: Congressman Chuck Fliceman was on with US yesterday at this 115 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: time Republican from Tennessee, who made it clear that a 116 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 1: similar bill, maybe a little more abroad, maybe a little 117 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: more fossil fuel friendly, with a different name on it, 118 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: would get Republican support, and they just roll up their 119 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: own version after the mid terms. Uh, they may but 120 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: then they're not going to have the Democratic support. So 121 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: the question Joe man is not going to vote for it, right, Well, 122 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. Joe Manson is one of 123 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: the least partisan members there are, so this is obviously 124 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: politics right where right before November. This is a bill 125 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: that a lot of Republicans are interested and they should 126 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: generally be supporting as much as they can get, but 127 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: it will be a political win that they presumably don't 128 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: want to afford the Democrats. But I don't see how 129 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: it's going to a likelihood of it passing after the 130 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: midterms is much more likely unless who knows all the 131 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: different pieces that go into a December end of the 132 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: year catch all. The one thing I know is it's 133 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: going to be expensive and it's not going to be 134 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: paid for. And that's what makes me my heart leap 135 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: when I think about what a mess the end of 136 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: the end of the year bill in December could be. 137 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: And the one other thing I'd like to just throw out, 138 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: we are doing all of this because Congress never passed 139 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: the budget this year. Once again, Congress is ending a 140 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: fiscal year never having passed the budget, and that should 141 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: be something that everybody is more frustrated about it is ridiculous. 142 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: It seems like we were on the way to doing 143 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: that at one point, but maybe I had a weird dream, uh, Maya. 144 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: But to talk about what else is in this bill? 145 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: To your point, Ukraine funding is twelve billion dollars. UH. 146 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: There's also money UH for UH cleaning up after storms, 147 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: resilience and so forth. With that in mind and the 148 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: hurricane passing, of course, everyone is is good with that. 149 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: But the the twenty two billion dollars in COVID funding 150 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: that the President requested UH did not get included, nor 151 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: did the four and a half billion for monkeypox cases. 152 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: We've had experts tell us that there is another likely 153 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: surge coming in the summer, likely a new strain, and 154 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: this administration maya will be blamed when the tests and 155 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: the vaccines are not available. Well, that is that is 156 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: certainly true. UM. I think the argument is that there's 157 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: been so much money pumped into the economy for various 158 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: pandemic measures, and some of it is still underspent that 159 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: there is the argument you could repurpose this or use 160 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: the things differently. Now, a lot of that money has 161 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: already been authorized or promised, so it's not as though 162 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: we're swimming in dollars ready to move to these things. 163 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: But I think it's a fair point that it's not 164 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: clear new dollars are needed yet. It's more about the 165 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: actual operations of getting getting all of these things organized 166 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: and out into the economy. It didn't help that Joe 167 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: mansion or forgive me, Joe Biden said on sixty Minutes, 168 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: the pandemic was over. A lot of Republicans are pointing 169 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: to that as as a reason to take it out. 170 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: There are some unfortunate cross messaging. Absolutely, that was at 171 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: odds with a lot of the policies that he's been 172 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: saying about needing more funding, needing more emergency funding. Even 173 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: the student debt was premised on an argument that you're 174 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: allowed to provide that kind of relief because you're in 175 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: an emergency. And so he was talking at odds with 176 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: his own messaging when he said the pandemic was over. Um, 177 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: clearly we all hope he's right. We hope the pandemic 178 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: is over. Right. So the rest of this week, this 179 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: goes to the House and so like they'll they'll put 180 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: it through the Senate back without the permit. Bill that 181 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: gets the vote goes to the House. This is done right. 182 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: You're not worried about Friday. I am not worried about Friday. Um. Now, 183 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: there have been too many times where I've said that 184 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: and then next thing, I've normally been in the government shutdown. 185 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: So there's been many years of anything you're not worried about, 186 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: you probably should worry. But I am truly not worried 187 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: about Friday. We are not going to have a shutdown. 188 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: There is a midterm election that everybody wants to get 189 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: back to where they need to be in campaign really 190 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: really hard. So I think this week is kind of 191 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: an easy going week, um, relative to normal, which is 192 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: nothing's easy going. But I think how different is that 193 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: going to be in December, knowing that it will be informed, 194 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: of course by the results of the mid terms. Yeah, no, 195 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: all eyes on December. Seriously. There are so many different 196 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: things that I could imagine they will be putting into 197 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: an end of the year package. Um. Various different expiring 198 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: tax cuts the Republicans want, child tax credit that Democrats 199 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: have talked about, various interest groups, physician payment bonuses that 200 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: are expiring. There's a pay goes like the list of 201 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 1: budget things go on. The important thing to know is 202 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: that the price tag is huge. Easily we're talking a 203 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: hundred billion or more just for one year costs and 204 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: closer to a trillion for ten year costs of the things. 205 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: I am worried they're going to try to stick into 206 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: this bill, so it's now Here's it's a simple ask. 207 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: But what if we just ask Congress not to borrow 208 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: anymore for the rest of this calendar year just three months? 209 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: If they wanted to add any bills and it's just 210 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: a thought, what if they tried paying for it? Uh? Well, boy, 211 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: if we only had more time to talk about deficit reduction, Maya, 212 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: there's so much where that came from. But I'm curious 213 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: to see where Kevin McCarthy comes in on a lot 214 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: of this, particularly if he's on his way to holding 215 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: the Gavil great to talk with miamc Guinness as always, 216 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget with us UH on 217 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound on. We need to assemble the panel and 218 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: get their take on this incredible turn of events here 219 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: as Joe Manchion's Energy permitting reform bill is jettison before 220 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: it even got to a vote. Rick Davis and Genie 221 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: Schanzano Bloomberg Politics Contributors. Way in next, I'm Joe Matthew. 222 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with 223 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. So did Joe Manchin just 224 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: get served? His energy permitting bill was just axed in 225 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: the Senate, allowing a government funding bill to move forward. 226 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: This all unfolding. Since we have taken air this hour, 227 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: let's assemble the panel. Jennie Schanzano and Rick Davis make 228 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: up our signature panel Bloomberg Politics Contributors. And how about this, 229 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: Genie he's been talking about Joe Manchon has been talking 230 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: about revenge politics for the last week and a half, 231 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: almost predicting this was going to happen. Has he finally 232 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: gotten his due for all the build back better business 233 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: and now this deal that seemed to upset so many members. 234 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: He's got to be very frustrated at this point. I 235 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: think he felt like over this weekend as he pushed, 236 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, on the airwaves. In the newspapers we heard 237 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: he was dialing, making phone calls. He thought he could 238 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: maybe get to sixty. He obviously realized today he couldn't 239 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: do it. He wasn't going to stand there and allow 240 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: the government be shut down. But a lot of the 241 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: commentary is going to be his question about whether he 242 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: got played by Chuck Schumer. And you know, that's not 243 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: a position I think Joe Manchin is, you know, found 244 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: himself to you. Did Chuck Schumer know when this deal 245 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: was made that you know what, this is probably not 246 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: gonna pass, but we're going to make this deal and 247 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: go ahead with it. Well, you know, I've got to 248 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: imagine that if you know Chuck Schumer and Joe Manchin, 249 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: I I can't understand to the for the life of 250 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: me why they didn't make the case to liberals that 251 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: this kind of reform is needed so you could pass 252 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: green energy so we can grow green under g I mean, 253 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: that's the case to make, and apparently they didn't do that. 254 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: Even so, you know, where does that leave you. They 255 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: made a deal apparently between a few of them, and 256 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: they didn't have the votes to push it through. Rick Davis. Republicans, 257 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: as Mitch McConnell said earlier, have claimed to own this issue. 258 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: This is something that we've been told as a matter 259 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: of national security, that's a matter of our own independence 260 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: here as a nation instead of going to bad guys, 261 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, let's start drilling more domestically. Was this in 262 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: fact revenge politics? Will Republicans simply turn their own version 263 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: after November? You know, I think there'll be a different 264 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: bill after November for sure, and and I would imagine 265 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: that the vast majority of Republicans will support it. This 266 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: was brought to really national attention, uh during the summer 267 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: when President Biden was assembling all these oil executives and said, look, 268 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: you guys need to get you know, pumping more oil. 269 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: And they're like, well, you need to give us our 270 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: permits so that we can do it. So this was 271 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: a sort of iterational change for for the industry to 272 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: try and get this done. And by the way, critically 273 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: important is is is um, Genie says, for the climate 274 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: um industry, the especially nuclear plants, which have been held 275 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: up substantially by this lack of permitting reform. So yeah, 276 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. And I think that the point that 277 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: Genie is making about they should have sold this harder 278 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: as a clean energy alternative. Um. You know, but like 279 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: you can't expect from Mansion to do that. He doesn't 280 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: believe in any of that, so he also can't sell 281 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: a secret deal, Rick, and that's what upset so many 282 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: people to begin with. Now, I don't know about that. 283 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: I mean there's secret deals all the time. I mean 284 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: it did, it did upset people because I think that 285 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: the real crux of it was that the Democrats jammed 286 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: through UM something as UH. I would say, arbitrary as 287 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: all the sweetheart deals that they got out of the 288 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: UH Inflation Reduction Act and then calling it an inflation 289 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: reduction Act. I would say that's probably what upset Republicans 290 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: more than anything, because it had nothing to do with 291 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: the inflation reduction. What do you make of the COVID 292 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: and monkeypox money being left out of this bill, Jennie? 293 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: Is that a fight for another day for this White House? 294 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: Are they just gonna go short funded through the winter. 295 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: It looks like they're going to go short funded, and 296 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how they fight for it now? 297 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: Is to your point? The President went on national TV 298 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: and said the pandemic was over, and then they had 299 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: to try to clean that up. So they may try 300 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: to circle back on that, but I think that's going 301 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: to be hard and time is not on their side, 302 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: and they better hope, as we all do, for you know, 303 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: all of our sakes, that the pandemic doesn't get any 304 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: worse and they find themselves in a terribly difficult position 305 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: in a couple of months because of this you know, 306 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: lapse that they've had. Do we revisit this, uh, this time, 307 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: this bit of timing. Rick, if there is in fact 308 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: another strain, another surge in the winter, and people are 309 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: are found to be short supplies, vaccines, etcetera, Yeah, I 310 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: think it'll be even more complex because states are sitting 311 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: on still enormous amounts of money from the initial relief 312 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: bills for COVID and billions and billions of dollars for 313 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: use in mitigating effects of COVID, and and the ones 314 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: that are planning properly are stockpiling kits to test and 315 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: aren't they're going to have cash available to buy vaccines 316 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: and and and and so I think those that aren't 317 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: and are using those funds for other things are are 318 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: more likely to be caught short. And sadly, that runs 319 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: along partisan lines. So um, I think that it's gonna 320 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: exacerbate our political divide. Uh. If if we do have 321 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: a another surge in COVID, and you can almost write 322 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: it in advance. We've been through this enough times. I 323 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: wonder what you both think in our remaining time about 324 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: what we're headed for in December. This is going to 325 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: go through December six after the mid terms, and Miamic 326 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: Guinness's tone, uh is one that many share in Washington. 327 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: What kind of a standoff is this going to be? 328 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: Genie A We're gonna actually talk about a shutdown? I 329 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: I think we will be there again. And I was 330 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: just looking at the g A O. Congress has issued 331 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: crs and forty three of the last forty six fiscal 332 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: years talk about an F minus in terms of their 333 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: ability to do the basic job they were sent there 334 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: to do. You want to know why people are frustrated 335 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: with government, That's a good example. And I think we 336 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: will be facing a really tough battle in December. I 337 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: know you love that whole story here, Rick, but what's 338 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: December look like? Well, I'm glad I'm not in her 339 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: class because I probably get I would not fail you, Rick, 340 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: But but look, I mean, it's only going to be 341 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: hard if we actually have some fiscal restraint. Like my 342 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: point is, if you actually tighten the belt and don't 343 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: create new debt. Then then it's gonna be hard choices. 344 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: But this is a spending free Congress, I mean, you know, 345 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: and it's not going to be held up by the administration. 346 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: So who's going to govern this? I have a lot 347 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: of people with points to prove after the elections. Rick 348 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: and Jennie our signature panel with us, Joe Matthew. This 349 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg. It's the fastest hour in politics. Bloomberg. Sound on. 350 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew and Washington. Quite the revealed today by CNN. 351 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: It was supposed to be I'm assuming part of this 352 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: January six committee hearing tomorrow. We don't ever really know 353 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: what they're going to do in these hearings. But that's 354 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: the report clips from Roger Stone, uh that was filmed 355 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: for a documentary months before the election, not before January six. 356 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: Before the election. It brings us back to July is 357 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: in a hotel room, uh here in Washington, talking about 358 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: his approach, his plans. Had to bleep out some of 359 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: the words for this looming election, remembering that Donald Trump 360 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: was behind in the polls at that point. Listened to 361 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: Roger Stone, what they're assuming is the election will be normal. 362 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: The election wimal Oh, these are the California results. Sorry, 363 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,959 Speaker 1: we're not accepting that. We're challenging the recurt If the 364 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: actors show up at the at the electoral College, arm 365 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: guards will throw them out. I'm the president. You stealing Florida. 366 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: You're not stealing of challenging all of it. And the 367 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: judges were going to our judges. I appointed, you're not 368 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: stealing the election. That's what That's basically what Bush did 369 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: to Gore. Well, I'm not so sure about that, but 370 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: revealing how to stop the steel would work. If they 371 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: want to run a bunch of fake ballots, we'll have 372 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: an investigation. We'll see these ballots. Your faith, your results 373 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: are invalidating. Goodbye. That's the way it's gonna have to look. Well, 374 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be really nasty while, but you cannot count 375 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: on you're not gonna get an honest election. Right. So 376 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: let's say that Trump is a little behind right now, 377 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: but she probably is. That doesn't bother me. But even 378 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: if he wins an honest election, we're not going to 379 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: have an honest election on it. They're gonna steal it. 380 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: They're steal in his blind and farn right now incredible. 381 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: Uh Stone released the statement, by the way, challenging the 382 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: accuracy and authenticity of the video. Go look at it yourself. 383 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: He's right there talking in the hotel room on camera. 384 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: But it brings us to a remarkable piece of journalism 385 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: by Bloomberg and something that really got our attention today 386 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: that we wanted to focus on on the broadcast. Here 387 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: our election denier Tracker, the US Election Risk Index, a 388 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: team of journal to Sarah Bloomberg, a set to find 389 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: out which states are most vulnerable to election interference as 390 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: we look ahead tow four here right, these guys, I 391 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: can't imagine how much time they spent on this as 392 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: they went through laws in all fifty states and as 393 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: I read here on the terminal, you can look at 394 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: this with a remarkable cross section of data and graphics 395 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: that they cooked this down to five U S States? 396 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: What will decide if the election can be stolen? In 397 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: joining us from our Washington bureau talk a little bit 398 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: more about it as Bloomberg News National politics reporter Ryan 399 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: Tique back with Ryan. Congrats. First of all, I know 400 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: you've got more coming on this, an update coming on this, 401 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: but congrats on this monster piece of journalism. Thanks. Yeah, 402 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: it was. It was a lot of work to go 403 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: through not just all the laws that have changed since, uh, 404 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: but also all the bills that have been proposed, and 405 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: there were it was a huge jump in the number 406 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: of bills that were proposed in the last two years. 407 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: You write, Republicans have sought to remove state officials who 408 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: would not manufacture votes and falsely declare him the winner. Uh. 409 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: They changed the way elections are run in response to 410 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: his conspiracy theories. They've nominated people who insist Trump won 411 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: as candidates for US Congress and governor for offices that 412 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: certify the outcome. That's the key there. Uh. And as 413 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: you dug into this, I was kind of amazed to 414 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: find that that your takeaway is basically everything's going to 415 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: be fine. Well, I mean by takeaway was that the 416 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: people are much more important to watch than the laws. Um. 417 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: We went into this early in the process when there 418 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: were still a lot of bills out there that would 419 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: have dramatically changed how elections were certified, and I have 420 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: to say that most of the bills that were the 421 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: most concerning didn't end up going anywhere. Um. And that 422 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: actually it's easier to vote in a lot of the 423 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: parts of that country than it was before. I don't 424 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: think it's a great thing that there were bills that 425 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: were clearly inspired by conspiracy theories about the election. Um. 426 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: But when we looked at how those bills actually worked, 427 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: like a lot of them were relatively harmless, Like they 428 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: either wouldn't do much or might actually not be that 429 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: bad of it idea. As an example, one of Trump's 430 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: theories was that you know, nest thermostats and Italian satellites 431 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: were changing votes on a voting machines. UM. And so several, yeah, 432 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: several states passed bills that mandated that voting machines can't 433 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: be connected to the Internet, and they were clearly responding 434 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: to that theory. Now there's no evidence for that theory. 435 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: Most voting machines are not connected to the internet. Um. 436 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: But that said, like, there's not really any harm in 437 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: passing a law saying that they shouldn't be I mean, 438 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: I don't I don't really see the problem with that. 439 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's great like where those 440 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: bills were coming from or why they were passed, but 441 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: like ultimately fairly harmless, And I think a lot of 442 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: the other changes that we found there were restrictions to bills, 443 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: and they were sort of quibbling around the edges. Nobody 444 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: really wants to upend the apple cart, especially when you 445 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: consider that most of the people voting in these bills 446 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: were elected under these laws. There were three bills that 447 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: I saw that we're concerning. UM. One was in Florida, 448 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: where the governor now has an election police force that 449 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: reports directly to him. Uh that's problematic. UM. In Florida 450 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: Governor Rhonda Santis and and he used that that law 451 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: just before the primary when he had Bryan, let's look 452 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: at just so people understand the five states we're talking 453 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: about here, right, Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin. Impossible Republican win 454 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania will determine, as you write, who's in charge 455 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: of making election decisions in states where the White House 456 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: is won or lost. Uh So, with with that said, 457 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: it's going to depend a lot on what happens in 458 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: the midterm elections before you can really make a judgment 459 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: on that fair. Yeah, I mean, I'm really watching closely, 460 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: like governors, the governor's race in Pennsylvania. UM. Doug Mastriano, 461 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: the Republican nominee there, was heavily involved in Trump's efforts 462 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: to overturn his loss in t and he's promised to 463 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: appoint an election denier a secretary of state, to throw 464 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: out all of the state's voter registrations, to decertifial of 465 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: the voting machines. Um, there's a lot of chaos that 466 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: he could create if he wins. And he's currently down 467 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: in the polls, but it's close. Uh, you know, he 468 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: could win their Arizona is the other state I'm not 469 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: really watching closely because the governor, secretary of state, attorney general, 470 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: and Senate candidate there all are really strong election deniers. 471 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: One of them even ran an ad that just began 472 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: with like I think Donald Trump won Inies. Know that 473 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: state has may come a real locus of these efforts. 474 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff and I really encourage everybody to go find 475 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: it on the terminal. Five U S states that will 476 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: decide if the election can be stolen. Ryan Tekbeck with 477 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: thank you so much, and come back when the update 478 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: hits the terminal. We're gonna have a lot more data 479 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: to share because hey, you don't have to hear it 480 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: from me, But this is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. 481 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. There 482 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: will be no January six Committee hearing tomorrow. If we 483 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: didn't have a chance to mention that it was postponed. 484 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: Not sure actually until when. But they're not holding this 485 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: hearing in the House. It was not going to be 486 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: prime time. It was gonna be midday, one o'clock. And 487 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: I think the concern was split screen with the hurricane. 488 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: Of course that that is specifically why uh the January 489 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: six Committee with this on hold? Interesting unknown when it 490 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: will happen feasibly ever closer to the mid term elections. 491 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: Let's reassemble the panel. Jeannie Shanzano is back with Brick Davis, 492 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors. Rick, when I heard about this today, 493 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: when I saw the tweet from the jan six Committee, 494 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: I thought about you running a convention for the Republican 495 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: Party just as a hurricane was about to hit, I 496 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: believe New Orleans and you were faced with a decision 497 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: like that. Do you think they did the right thing? Sure? Um, 498 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: same thing we did. Um. We postponed the first day 499 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: of a national convention. I mean, who wants to give 500 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: away for full night of free media and uh celebration 501 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: and excitement with twenty thousand people, you know, But uh, 502 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: the reality is that you cannot distract the country's focus 503 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: when a place like Florida, New Orleans or anywhere else 504 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: is undersiege by nature and um and so I think 505 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: we made the right decision. I think it all worked 506 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: out fine, But unfortunately these things are unpredictable, and I 507 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: think they've done the right thing. But anybody who thinks 508 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: they can blow through a hurricane is uh of questionable sanity. Yeah, 509 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: and of course you know this wasn't the celebration like 510 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: a convention, genie. This was actually going to be a 511 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: serious obviously a serious news event, one that Republicans call 512 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: a political exercise. But they'll be criticized for doing this 513 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: closer to November, will they not. They may face that, 514 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: but they absolutely made the right decision. It would be 515 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: in in very poor taste, amongst other things, for them 516 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: to try to do this tomorrow in the midst of 517 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: what looks to be a potentially massive hurricane bearing down 518 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: in the southern part of the country. So they made 519 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: the right decision. Whether they get criticism or blowback from that. 520 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: They're going to have to deal with that, and they'll 521 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: be rightly be able to point to the reasons that 522 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: they did. This blowback from Roger Stone. You might have 523 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: heard his remarks a little bit earlier released by CNN 524 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: that we're filmed by a documentary crew months be four election. 525 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: He says the film is not accurate. He's challenging the 526 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: authenticity of the video. But here here's a taste again 527 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: of what he said months before people went to vote. 528 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: If they want to run a bunch of fake ballots, 529 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: we'll have an investigation. Well, bounce your fake, your resulter invalidating, goodbye. 530 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: That's the way it's gonna have to look. Club. It's 531 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: gonna be really nasty while. But you cannot count on 532 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: you're not going to get an honest election. Right So, 533 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: let's say that Trump is a little behind right now, 534 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: but she probably is. That doesn't bother me. But even 535 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: if he wins an honest election, we're not going to 536 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: have an honest got it. They're gonna still what they're 537 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: still on his finding far and right now, how does 538 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: this inform the investigation? Rick The idea that this conversation 539 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: was happening over the summer. Uh in terms of the 540 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: January six Committee rapping this investigation once and for all. Well, 541 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: we heard it, uh first from Donald Trump on the stump. 542 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: He was claiming he was gonna get stolen throughout the 543 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: course of the last month of the campaign. So he 544 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: was is predicting the future, and I think predicting based 545 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: on a plan that they had. I mean, Roger Stone 546 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: has been around a lot of campaigns, and he's had 547 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: issues with ballot security and other things that he's pushed 548 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: limits to, uh in the past, and it does not 549 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: shock me, does not surprise me that that he would 550 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: be shooting his mouth off right before in the election 551 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: with the camera crew. He gets kind of crazy in 552 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: front of cameras and so, UM, I just think this 553 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: is declaring the obvious. I mean, for anybody who didn't 554 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: think this is what they were thinking, I think that 555 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: they miss miss read what Donald Trump was telling him 556 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: all through the last couple of months of the election. 557 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: To be seeing out loud, though, Genie, it's almost like 558 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: he was kind of going through this in his own mind. Uh. 559 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: You know, the elevator pitch for the president here, Uh, 560 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: the the election be decided in the courts this will 561 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: not be an honest election. The idea of using fake 562 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: electors this went way back, it did. And the stunning 563 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: part to me, and you played part of this clip, 564 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: is that this is what he's talk about is exactly 565 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: what happened Donald Trump was behind and he lays out 566 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: verbatim exact you know, prior obviously to the election, exactly 567 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: what happened in the aftermath when Donald Trump lost the election. 568 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: And it's really chilling, is the word that comes to mind. 569 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: And whether he claims that the tape was doctored or not, 570 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: precisely what they capture him as saying is exactly what 571 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: the country in the world ended up witnessing. And so 572 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's not surprising that January six committee is 573 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: going to use this, which we we understand they will, 574 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: and it's not surprising he's calling foul at this point. Well, 575 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how this factors into the Department of 576 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: Justice investigation at the same time here, Rick, but I 577 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: feel like we should be paying attention to whatever extent 578 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: we can and they're not telling us a lot. But 579 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: that's where the rubber meets the road here, right Once 580 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 1: the January six Committee is done, we'll get the final report. 581 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: I don't know that there'll be any bombshells in there. 582 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 1: Any October surprise is obviously, or we wouldn't call it that. 583 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: But it strikes me that their work is about complete, 584 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: that we have a sense of what they learned. Am 585 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: I write? Yeah? I think that this is more of 586 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: a summation than anything, although I would think that they 587 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: might want to focus in a little bit more on 588 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: Roger Stone, who hasn't got much attention by the January 589 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: six Committee. He's the closer, but he certainly put himself 590 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: in that place today, and I think that that kind 591 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: of sows together so much of the point they're trying 592 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: to make, which is this was a plan. It was 593 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: executed after the election, and it was meant to try 594 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: and overturn a legitimate election. And so wow, Uh, Roger, 595 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: you know you did a good job of writing the 596 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: PostScript to a January six uh committee meeting. Unintended consequences 597 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: or hell sometimes quite quite quite remarkable. Uh. There was 598 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: another CNN report you needed A phone call was intercepted 599 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: here by investigators. A phone call from a White House 600 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: phone number to an individual who was inside the US 601 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: Capitol one of the quote unquote rioters. I don't know 602 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: what he was doing there, but he was at the 603 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: Capitol and and a call that lasted less than ten 604 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: seconds was was made to that cell phone. There are 605 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: answers to questions like these that could advance this investigation. 606 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: It seems to me you think we'll find out what 607 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: that was. I think we may get more information. I mean, 608 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: since this came out on Sunday as a result of 609 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: this book that is coming out by Denver Rigg Leman, Um, 610 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: we have learned a bit more. We've learned, you know, 611 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: the caller was, as you mentioned, somebody who was at 612 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: the Capitol and a somebody from New York. And so 613 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: I think we may start to hear a little bit more. 614 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: It's unclear whether we will in the hearings themselves or not. 615 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: But I think the real question here about both the 616 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: call and Roger Stone. We know Roger Stone is connected 617 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: to these extremist groups. The question in both cases is 618 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: going to be can they connected to the former president? 619 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: Can they tie these extremist groups visa vi roger Stone 620 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: or these phone calls that were made from the White House. 621 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: Two people on the ground at the Capitol to the President, 622 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: because that would be critical if you're talking about something 623 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: like a criminal referral to the Justice Department from the 624 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: Junior Six Committee, which of course we don't know yet 625 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: whether they're going to make or not. We'll give this 626 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: a minute to breathe before we start naming names. But 627 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: they did trace that call, uh, and you know it's 628 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: not too hard to do that these days. I suspect 629 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: we'll be hearing more about it. Rick and Jennie with 630 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: us here on Bloomberg Sound On. I'm Joe Matthew. And 631 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: as ever, when we start talking about governments and the 632 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: doings in Washington, that which our government produces NASA is 633 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: again the tonic, the salve for our problems. You heard 634 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: about the Dart mission. This is where we ended yesterday. Man, 635 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: they smack that thing right into not an asteroid, by 636 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: the way, don't call it an asteroid. I learned this. 637 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: You know. You might call it affectionately a space rock, 638 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: but it's a moonlight. I don't know if you guys 639 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: knew that it's a moonlight six point eight million miles 640 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: away for the Earth and the test. My god, let's 641 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: get in the control room right now. Just as the 642 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: dart was about to hit the moonlight. Just listen to 643 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: the elation in the control room. They're getting close. They're 644 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: looking at the video three. Well not quite, well, hang on, 645 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: not quite, it's getting closer. Yes, they see boulders, they 646 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: can make out the surface. It really is incredible. We're 647 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: watching this in real time, seven million miles away. Yes, 648 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: we do defense. Yea, they say. In case you're keeping score, 649 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: humanity one asteroid zero should say moonlight and asked. The 650 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: spokesperson said during the live stream after the impact, Rick, 651 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: I know you love this stuff as much as I do. 652 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: It is one of the few things we can say 653 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: that the government is doing without controversy, and they're actually, 654 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: in this case protecting human kind. Yeah, I'm here to 655 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: name names. And it's not a moonlit. It's dimorphous. Dimorphus 656 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,720 Speaker 1: was hit and and NASA calls it dimorphus. I'm calling 657 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,439 Speaker 1: it dimorphus. And so I think it's wonderful that we've 658 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: named the moonlit that we just hit with a spacecraft 659 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: to get it out of trajectory. It's gonna take us 660 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: a week to know is that thing moved? But I 661 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: must admit the only thing that was lacking by that 662 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: clip was a nice swell of the orchestra in the 663 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: background as we say goodbye to Dimorphus. Now, I think 664 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: it's wonderful stuff that we have people who actually spend 665 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: the time and money to UH, to create these opportunities. 666 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just what you always wanted from NASA, right, 667 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: thinking of these things and executing them flawlessly well done. 668 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: This is yes, and this is real stuff, Genie. I 669 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: mean to think that they could save the planet someday. Uh, 670 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: And people take that for granted. We'll remember when this 671 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: crazy thing went up and people thought it was it 672 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: was a crazy idea, but it will take some time. 673 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: All they have to do is nudge it though, Genie. 674 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: They don't have to throw this thing into outer space, 675 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 1: just nudge it out of the way. Yeah. And they 676 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: did it all without Ben Affleck, which was stunning and 677 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: in honor of you and and Rick. I did watch 678 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: it live last night and it was fascinating. I agree 679 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: with Rick. They could have used some music, like you 680 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: always do the music, Joe. You should go help NASA 681 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: do the music. But what's stunning, to your point is 682 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: we can or not we NASA can move and hit, 683 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: blow up a spaceship, potentially move an asteroid off of 684 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: its orbit, and we can't get Congress to cast past 685 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: the budget n time. It's stunning here, Gen Chanzano, well 686 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: said and Rick Davis, our signature panel. Look at the 687 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: image of this thing. You can count the rocks on 688 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: the Marsh visit dim morphous. Yeah wait, Matt, those are 689 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: your car keys. This is Bloomberg.