WEBVTT - Asteroid 2019 OK: The Little Doomsday

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, you welcome to Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to Blow your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Joe McCormick. You know, we've been talking a lot

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<v Speaker 1>recently about you know, some perhaps more ambiguous risks to humanity,

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<v Speaker 1>but but not so much the ambiguity in this episode. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the ambiguous risks? Oh, you know we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about like you know, you're getting talking about like social

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<v Speaker 1>media and how and how it's affecting the human condition

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, certainly in our episodes on psychedelics, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about some of the more ambiguous and even

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<v Speaker 1>more concrete threats facing humanity and to what extent some

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<v Speaker 1>commentators think that the psychedelic experience can prepare us for

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<v Speaker 1>those threats. Okay, so kind of vague possible psychic and

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<v Speaker 1>cultural threats, right, yeah, less less threats like a huge

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<v Speaker 1>rock hitting you. Right, because because we over good, what

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be talking about the day is certainly the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of threat that that a mushroom is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to help us with. Right, So we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about an interesting, perhaps hair raising story

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<v Speaker 1>from recent Space News. So, just within the past couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks, Earth had a very close encounter and almost

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly timed intersection with the orbit of a fast moving

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<v Speaker 1>object from outer space. And the creepy and fascinating thing

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<v Speaker 1>about this is that this object came very close to

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<v Speaker 1>Earth and we had almost no forewarning that it was coming.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was this thing? Well, I actually first saw

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<v Speaker 1>it when Robert shared an article about it on on

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<v Speaker 1>social media. That's right, Yeah, there we go, determining the

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<v Speaker 1>topics of all conversation. Well, and the crazy thing about

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<v Speaker 1>it is that, you know, as we've discussed in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and the the more extreme things get to know, the rise

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<v Speaker 1>to the surface and social media and especially right now,

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<v Speaker 1>it tends to be stuff related to politics. But then somehow, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this one story breached the surface. It may have helped

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<v Speaker 1>that it had the word killer in the headline. So

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<v Speaker 1>this was an asteroid that is now officially called asteroid nineteen. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and that doesn't mean it's okay, that's just a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the code assigned to it. I read it as

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid two thousand, nineteen, Okay, it's kind of like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was detected by astronomers in Brazil and the

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<v Speaker 1>United States before being confirmed by NASA JPL and on July.

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<v Speaker 1>It passed by Earth at a speed of about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four kilometers per second, which is like fifty four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>miles per hour. Pretty fast. And what we want to

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<v Speaker 1>emphasize is it's already gone, okay, so we should emphasize

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<v Speaker 1>that at the beginning, this asteroid represents zero threat to

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<v Speaker 1>us on any meaningful time scale. It is passed, it's

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<v Speaker 1>on its way to other things. And the reason we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this is that I feel like this event

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<v Speaker 1>is instructive. It shows the real life and death importance

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<v Speaker 1>of astronomy in general and improving our capabilities for cataloging

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<v Speaker 1>near Earth objects more specifically. And it's also I think

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<v Speaker 1>an event that really reveals the part of you that

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<v Speaker 1>either leans towards the positive or the negative interpretation of things,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the glass half full half empty kind of thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the near miss versus near hit. Yeah, and also reminded

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<v Speaker 1>of the old adage. You know, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's truly an adage, but the observation that you never

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<v Speaker 1>hear the one that has your name on it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>generally talking about say, you know, a bullet in a military,

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<v Speaker 1>uh situation. It's like on the Sopranos, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>never know the one that's coming for you, right. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is we are we are in the business

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<v Speaker 1>right now of trying to know the ones that have

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<v Speaker 1>our name on it, the the asteroids particularly that have

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<v Speaker 1>that that have Earth or possibly Earth printed on their side. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's always going to be a probabilistic thing when

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking to far out, so you wouldn't know for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but you'd say, you know, we think there's a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>zero point whatever percent chance this has Earth on its name,

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<v Speaker 1>has Earth's name on it, or maybe has a chance

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<v Speaker 1>right yet to be clear. And we'll get into some

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<v Speaker 1>of the statistics here in a bit. But there there

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<v Speaker 1>are no asteroids out there right now that that Nassa

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<v Speaker 1>or anyone else is saying this is a definite collision course.

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<v Speaker 1>No no big ones, No big ones. So yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously they are ones that are going to imbact Us

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<v Speaker 1>and with with with a little or no effect. But

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of like really big problematic asteroids, the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that are the ones that we know of, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is a you know, just a segment of the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that are out there. There are none that we are

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<v Speaker 1>like positive like, this is the one. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>one we have to act on right now, right now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but this twenty nineteen, Okay, asteroids. So first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>the question we need to play the glass half full

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<v Speaker 1>half empty thing with Was it big or was it small? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was between we think about fifty seven and a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty meters in diameter, which is a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and eighty seven to four hundred and twenty seven feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that big or is that small? Well, it depends

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<v Speaker 1>on what you compare it to the object that struck

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth sixty six million years ago, the impact that

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<v Speaker 1>most likely played a major role in the extinction of

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<v Speaker 1>the dinosaurs. That one was probably I've seen estimates of

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<v Speaker 1>ten to fifteen kilometers across. I've seen that people say

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<v Speaker 1>more recently, this might be an updated or more more

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<v Speaker 1>precise figure that it was like fifteen or sixteen kilometers across.

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<v Speaker 1>That's obviously a lot bigger. We're we're talking this object

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<v Speaker 1>that just went past us is a couple of orders

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<v Speaker 1>of magnitude smaller than that. So we're not talking about

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<v Speaker 1>like necessarily a full blown civilization buster. No no, no

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<v Speaker 1>extinction event level impact. Yeah. Unfortunately, astronomers believe that more

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<v Speaker 1>than nine percent of objects in this extinction event size

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<v Speaker 1>category category, the category of things on the scale of

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<v Speaker 1>the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs, uh, things like that,

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<v Speaker 1>more than nine percent in our orbital vicinity have already

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<v Speaker 1>been disc covered and cataloged by NASA and other observers

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<v Speaker 1>and space agencies because the bare ones are simply easier

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<v Speaker 1>to spot, right exactly, And so for the biggest of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest, we're pretty sure we know where they are,

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<v Speaker 1>uh that, and that we would be able to predict

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<v Speaker 1>if they're headed our way, which is good, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>then again, you could compare it to something on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side. So the Chelly bents Comedia, which exploded in

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<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere over Russia in was only about twenty meters

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<v Speaker 1>in diameter, just twenty And this meteor was not even

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<v Speaker 1>large enough to reach the ground. It didn't hit the

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<v Speaker 1>surface of the Earth like most smaller objects entering our

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere from space. It exploded in the atmosphere and what's

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<v Speaker 1>known as an air burst. And this this explosion injured

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<v Speaker 1>over a thousand people. I think it was close to people.

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<v Speaker 1>It damaged buildings, it collapsed roofs, it smashed windows in

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<v Speaker 1>this big elliptical impact zone stretched out for dozens of

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<v Speaker 1>kilometers um and and a lot of the damage and

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<v Speaker 1>human injuries from this air blast were due to like

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<v Speaker 1>blown out glass from windows hitting people. I should say.

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<v Speaker 1>The footage also, of course, was incredible and certainly certainly

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<v Speaker 1>makes you feel like a primate when you watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>You feel like an earth bound primate um that has

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<v Speaker 1>no control over the great fiery mass that is just

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<v Speaker 1>seared across the horizon. It's a it's a two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>one of space Odyssey monolith kind of thing. Yeah, you're like, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>should I worship that? Maybe? But so that one, the

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<v Speaker 1>one that caused all that damage, was just twenty wide.

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<v Speaker 1>This this one that just passed us was somewhere between

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven and a hundred and thirty meters. Why that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good bit bigger. It's somewhere between an extinction event

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<v Speaker 1>level asteroid or object and you know, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>smaller ones like we've seen with Cheli Bensk. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the size of this thing that just passed us is

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<v Speaker 1>probably roughly comparable to the size of something we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about more in a bit, the meteor that exploded

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<v Speaker 1>over Siberia in nineteen o eight and the event known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Tunguska in impact. And like I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll come back to that later. But basically though, the

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<v Speaker 1>issue is it depends on where it hits. Y. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that just passed us. The point is that

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<v Speaker 1>it poses no threat to us. It's already gone. But

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<v Speaker 1>if it had hit Earth, that would be really scary

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<v Speaker 1>on the off chance that it came anywhere near a

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<v Speaker 1>populated area. And of course the location is important with

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<v Speaker 1>any of these. I mean, I've I've read arguments that

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<v Speaker 1>the chicks a lube impact, Like if it had hit uh,

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<v Speaker 1>if it had been a water impact as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>a land impact, Um, you know, it would have made

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<v Speaker 1>some difference in what occurred. So that's that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a factor no matter what scale you're talking about here. Absolutely, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that that place a big role. Well, we'll talk more

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<v Speaker 1>about that as we go on. So uh So we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the size, Another question is how close exactly

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<v Speaker 1>did it come to Earth? Because there are the simulations

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<v Speaker 1>that you can watch online. You should look this up. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>that show like the orbital pathways of Earth and this

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid and as they sort of approach each other, as

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<v Speaker 1>the intersection of these two orbital pathways comes up, it'll

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<v Speaker 1>zoom in further and further for you. And there it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like they're just on a perfect collision course and

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<v Speaker 1>then they just miss at the last second. Now, what

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<v Speaker 1>what does that miss look like on distances that are

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<v Speaker 1>appreciable to us. The answer is it came within about

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three thousand kilometers or about forty five thousand miles

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<v Speaker 1>of Earth. So that sounds pretty far away, right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>at least few trips to Disneyland. But if you stay

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<v Speaker 1>zoomed out, like we were just talking about, looking at

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<v Speaker 1>looking at this path on like an Earth orbit scale,

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<v Speaker 1>the distance is something you can't even really see. It

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<v Speaker 1>passed inside the orbit of the Moon, and that's pretty close.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it is. Essentially you could you could say it

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<v Speaker 1>has passed within the realm of U, within the sphere

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<v Speaker 1>of of human culture, you know, like we have been

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<v Speaker 1>to the Moon and this thing has traversed the space

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<v Speaker 1>betwixt the two. Yeah, and it wasn't even in the

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<v Speaker 1>far side of the Moon circumference like in fact, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen okay, came within less than twenty percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>distance from the Earth to the Moon. It was pretty close.

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<v Speaker 1>According to a to a piece I was reading on

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<v Speaker 1>vox by Kelsey Piper, on average, about zero point five

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<v Speaker 1>percent of asteroids that come within this range of Earth

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<v Speaker 1>actually hit us. So that's that's a nice thing to consider, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's on the other hand, the other ninety nine point

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<v Speaker 1>five percent within this range still pass us by, like

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen okay, did you know the vast majority are not

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<v Speaker 1>going to hit Earth? So that's good, right, But we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of must ask the question, what if an asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>of this size did hit Earth? What exactly would happen? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>So I was reading an article by Liam Mannox of

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<v Speaker 1>the Sydney Morning Herald who interviewed the Swinburne University astronomer

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Alan Duffy, and Duffy said that an object of

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<v Speaker 1>this size would be what astronomers sometimes maybe maybe loqually

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<v Speaker 1>call a city killer. So it's not of a size

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<v Speaker 1>that would cause a mass extinction or potentially qualify as

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<v Speaker 1>like a planet killer. Its worst effects would probably be

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<v Speaker 1>local in the area around where it hit, and if

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<v Speaker 1>it had struck Earth. Duffy compared this hypothetical impact to

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<v Speaker 1>something like a large nuclear weapons strike. One of our

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<v Speaker 1>listeners on the Facebook discussion module that Stuff to Build

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<v Speaker 1>Your Mind discussion module Facebook group shared a like a

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<v Speaker 1>map tool where you can input your city and then

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<v Speaker 1>look at what would happen if various models of nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>weaponry hit your city and determine like how far the

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<v Speaker 1>danger the danger zone is, how you know, far the

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<v Speaker 1>the radiation radiation extends. It's a scary tool, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>it also just really drives home that most of these

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<v Speaker 1>these devices are very capable of destroying modern cities, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least taking such a sizeable and crucial chunk out

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<v Speaker 1>of them to effectively destroy it. And I mean so

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<v Speaker 1>this impact would have actually been bigger than the real

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<v Speaker 1>atomic weapons that we have seen deployed on cities in

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<v Speaker 1>human history. According to Duffy, this impact, if it had

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<v Speaker 1>hit Earth, would have hit with over quote thirty times

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<v Speaker 1>the energy of the atomic blast at Hiroshima. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that you might be wondering, Okay, if you don't usually

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<v Speaker 1>think about these things, how would it have that much energy?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a bomb, right, It's just a rock. Why

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<v Speaker 1>would it act like a bomb that explodes? Um. So

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<v Speaker 1>what you have to remember is that the the energy

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<v Speaker 1>released upon an impact with Earth's surface is a product

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<v Speaker 1>of the mass and velocity of the falling object. Now, normally,

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<v Speaker 1>when objects like a chunk of rock fall to the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't behave like a bomb because they're relatively light

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<v Speaker 1>and they're relatively slow. So this, this asteroid, would be

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<v Speaker 1>a falling object of a size and a speed that

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<v Speaker 1>we never encounter in normal life in Earth's atmosphere. Something

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe a hundred meters across, like a giant

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<v Speaker 1>boulder or a chunk of a mountainside. Things that big

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<v Speaker 1>don't usually fall to begin with, I mean, except maybe

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<v Speaker 1>like huge airplanes. Uh. And then it would be traveling

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty four kilometers per second, which is more than

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<v Speaker 1>twenty times the speed of your average shooting bullet. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And so once you multiply those things together, that mass

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<v Speaker 1>and that velocity, and it also matters, of course the

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<v Speaker 1>angle at which it enters the atmosphere hits the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>But once you build up these levels of kinetic energy,

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<v Speaker 1>any normal falling object like a huge chunk of rock

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<v Speaker 1>or metal as you would find in the case of

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<v Speaker 1>an asteroid, essentially becomes a bomb upon impact. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is a fact we've touched on in some of our

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<v Speaker 1>more science fiction ety episodes where we've talked about about

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<v Speaker 1>how if you simply had orbital superiority over a planet,

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<v Speaker 1>this planet or another planet that had occupants, just by

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<v Speaker 1>virtue of having orbit, uh an orbital position, you could

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<v Speaker 1>drop anything. You would not need to drop a bomb

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<v Speaker 1>from that height. If you could drop just a big

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<v Speaker 1>piece of metal or rock, et cetera, then you already

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<v Speaker 1>you have a tremendous weapon at your disposal. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is where we get the you know, the term rods

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<v Speaker 1>from god kinetic energy kannetic kinetic energy weapons would just

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<v Speaker 1>be a matter of just drop anything from up there

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<v Speaker 1>and it can destroy like nothing else. Yeah, it's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>And now, on the other hand, uh, we want to

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<v Speaker 1>remember throughout this episode to not be alarmist and not

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<v Speaker 1>get people to worked up. Now, first of all, this asteroid,

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<v Speaker 1>like we said, it already missed us. It's on its way.

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<v Speaker 1>About things like this in general, it really does matter

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<v Speaker 1>where it hits. So fortunately in this scenario, the majority

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<v Speaker 1>of Earth's humans are actually squeezed into a fairly small

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<v Speaker 1>subsection of Earth's surface, So chances are that even if

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<v Speaker 1>an asteroid like this were to hit Earth, it would

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<v Speaker 1>probably strike in the ocean. Now that could have negative

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<v Speaker 1>consequences depending on where it happens, but but definitely better

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<v Speaker 1>than a hitting u like you know, land, yeah, populated

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<v Speaker 1>area especially yeah uh. And if it did strike on land,

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<v Speaker 1>it would probably most likely hit in a rural, less

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<v Speaker 1>populated area. Now, not like that would be okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>that would be you know, obviously fewer casualties than it

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<v Speaker 1>hitting one of these smaller subsections of Earth's surface where

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of people. Now, small objects from

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<v Speaker 1>space passed by Earth and inter Earth's atmosphere all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>What's interesting about this asteroid was the combination of its

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<v Speaker 1>size and how close it passed. Apparently a few dozen

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<v Speaker 1>smaller objects like less than twelve meters in diameter passed

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<v Speaker 1>within the orbit of the Moon every year, and according

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<v Speaker 1>to one article I was reading, objects of about the

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<v Speaker 1>size of twenty nineteen okay, only passed by this close

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<v Speaker 1>to Earth roughly once every ten years. So we just

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<v Speaker 1>had like a decade event and that's generally our way

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<v Speaker 1>of understanding these these these asteroids we generally talk about

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<v Speaker 1>like the frequency of their occurrence. Is this a once

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<v Speaker 1>in a decade, Is this a once in a lifetime?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this, you know, once in a thousand years or more?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, because all these things we think of across

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<v Speaker 1>time scales in in terms of probability. Right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>things that are unlikely to happen any given year become

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<v Speaker 1>near certainties at a certain time scale. Right. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>these devastating impacts of you know, of of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from prehistoric times and uh, you know, they tend to

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<v Speaker 1>leave of mark. You can tell that they occurred, and

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<v Speaker 1>we can extrapolate the kind of damage that that resonated

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<v Speaker 1>exactly right. So to come back to another thing we

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned earlier, we mentioned that this thing snuck up, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we seemed to come out of nowhere. People astronomers did

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<v Speaker 1>not detect it until just days before its arrival. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's ultimately the most sobering thing about it. Is not

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<v Speaker 1>that that that asteroids like this exists, or that they

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<v Speaker 1>that they they reached these sizes or or passed in

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<v Speaker 1>this proximity, but that we just didn't see it coming,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it was gone like that, just passed us

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<v Speaker 1>in the night. Then we realized how close we came.

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<v Speaker 1>So the question is why. There are a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>reasons here. One is that it was relatively small and faint. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>it's easier to use our telescopes to pick up and

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<v Speaker 1>track near Earth objects that are larger and reflect more light.

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<v Speaker 1>Another reason is that it came generally from the direction

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<v Speaker 1>of the Sun, which makes it harder to see because

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<v Speaker 1>of the glare in the background. Another reason it was

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<v Speaker 1>hard to pick up was that it was traveling very fast.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes it harder to detect. Other asteroids recently passing

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<v Speaker 1>by Earth have been slower. According to an article I

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<v Speaker 1>was reading by Alison Chew in the Washington Post, most

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<v Speaker 1>of the recent asteroids passing by Earth have been between

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<v Speaker 1>four and nineteen kilometers per second. Remember again, this one

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<v Speaker 1>was booking at twenty four kilometers per second, which is

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<v Speaker 1>very fast, which also, of course, potentially means that if

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<v Speaker 1>it had hit Earth, the impact would have been more

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<v Speaker 1>powerful because it's going faster. Next, the shape of its

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<v Speaker 1>orbit made it difficult to detect. Nineteen Okay had a

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<v Speaker 1>very elliptical orbit, meaning it was not roughly circular like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the orbit of a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the planets, it had an oblong oval shape.

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<v Speaker 1>So this asteroid, as it travels around the Sun, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>it comes very close, like within the orbit of Venus,

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<v Speaker 1>and other times it gets very far away, out beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the orbit of Mars. This also made it more difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to detect. And so if you add all this up,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got this small, fast moving object that's relatively faint

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<v Speaker 1>out there orbiting the Sun, and then suddenly, within maybe

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<v Speaker 1>just a couple of weeks before it passes us, it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes bright enough to see, and then other people have

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<v Speaker 1>to see it and confirm it. Uh, somebody's got to

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at the right place at the right time

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place to see it. It's not easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Things like this really can just sneak up on us,

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<v Speaker 1>and scientists don't necessarily always have fore warning. So this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of serves as a reminder that our orbital neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>is not a void. Space is not just avoid is

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<v Speaker 1>full of rocks and comets and stuff, and that while

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<v Speaker 1>our astronomers do a really admirable job cataloging near Earth

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<v Speaker 1>objects with the tools available to them. Objects of really

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<v Speaker 1>frightening size can still creep up on us in ways

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<v Speaker 1>that give us only days or even hours of warning,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe no warning at all. Speaking to the Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>Morning Herald, Australian National University astronomer Dr Brad Tucker said

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<v Speaker 1>that it is completely possible that objects of comparable size,

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<v Speaker 1>objects about the size of twenty nineteen okay, passed by

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<v Speaker 1>us like this and we never detect them at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they just go right by and no, no human

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<v Speaker 1>is any the wiser. All right, well, and that's sobering. Note.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a quick break, but when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, we will discuss what an asteroid of this

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<v Speaker 1>size would do if it actually hit us. Thank alright,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back, all right. So we're talking about the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of the asteroid that just recently passed the Earth within

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<v Speaker 1>the past few weeks nineteen okay, which again zero risk

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<v Speaker 1>to us now it's gone, you know, But we're thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about what an asteroid of this size, you know, roughly

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<v Speaker 1>this size would do if were to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the zero point five percent of asteroids that come within

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<v Speaker 1>this range that actually do hit Earth. Uh, we know

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<v Speaker 1>that an impact from a large enough asteroid can be

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<v Speaker 1>devastating on a planetary scale, like space impacts have contributed

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<v Speaker 1>to mass extinctions in Earth history, and of course we

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<v Speaker 1>know that the main theory explaining the the kt extinction

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<v Speaker 1>or the KPg extinction was a theory involving a space impact,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course that this was the extinction event that

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<v Speaker 1>killed the dinosaurs about sixty six million years ago. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the third greatest extinction event in Earth history. The basic

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<v Speaker 1>details are probably familiar to you at this point, but

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<v Speaker 1>a commeter asteroid some bulllied from space hit the Earth

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<v Speaker 1>in what is now the Yucatan Peninsula was probably I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen estimates, uh. I think maybe the older estimates are

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<v Speaker 1>that it was ten to fifteen kilometers in diameter. More recently,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've seen people saying sixteen kilometers in diameter

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge object, you know, measured on a scale

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<v Speaker 1>of miles or kilometers, And an object of this size

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<v Speaker 1>impacting Earth at orbital speed is not just a collision.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, as we were talking about earlier, a detonation.

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<v Speaker 1>It releases a blast of energy equivalent to millions of

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear warheads all exploding at the same time, and things

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<v Speaker 1>on this scale hitting the Earth are especially scary because

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<v Speaker 1>they're not just threatening to organisms living in the local

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<v Speaker 1>area right that they can have planet scale effects, like

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<v Speaker 1>the leading theory about the cause of the KPg extinction

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<v Speaker 1>is that this impact happened. This bowled from space hit

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth, and it threw up so much dust and

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<v Speaker 1>debris into the atmosphere that it blocked out the sun

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<v Speaker 1>for perhaps months, preventing photosynthesis, killing off huge numbers of

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<v Speaker 1>plants and photosynthesizing organisms, which of course cut off food

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<v Speaker 1>sources for larger animals. And more than three quarters of

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<v Speaker 1>Earth species are believed to have been completely wiped out

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<v Speaker 1>in this event. But there's good news. Scientists now think

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<v Speaker 1>that if there are asteroids of that size on any

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<v Speaker 1>kind of likely collision course with Earth, we would very

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<v Speaker 1>very likely already know about them. It's not a sure thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but we would really probably know because, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we've we've cataloged more than nine we think of asteroids

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<v Speaker 1>that could be of this size in our orbital neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're always trying to improve our near Earth object

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<v Speaker 1>detection and mapping capabilities, And this is an astronomy priority

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<v Speaker 1>of species level importance. Keep watching the skies. But objects

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<v Speaker 1>on the scale of the one that just passed us.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember it's not even close to as big as that one.

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<v Speaker 1>But objects on this scale are trickier. They're more difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to be sure about because they're smaller. We also have

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<v Speaker 1>less confidence in our ability to detect them ahead of time.

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<v Speaker 1>So what would happen if an object roughly on the

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<v Speaker 1>scale of twenty nineteen okay, were to hit the earth? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out we actually have a pretty close analogy

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<v Speaker 1>from twentieth century history, which we alluded to earlier, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is the Tongue event. Robert. For my money, this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the most darkly fascinating events of the

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<v Speaker 1>last few hundred years. I think, yeah, they're there, you know,

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:13.480
<v Speaker 1>it's one of one of these stories. It's certainly it's

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<v Speaker 1>given the fact that it did not decimate a major

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<v Speaker 1>center of population, uh makes it something that doesn't feel,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, googlesh to to look at. But it's it's

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:25.680
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't have this kind of mysterious quality to it.

0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:28.360
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like it's like a warning shot from the gods.

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<v Speaker 1>It is also strangely kind of a magnet for cranky theories.

0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.359
<v Speaker 1>It really attracts, you know, people who want to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that like a sudden black hole or a bit of

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 1>anti matter appeared and caused it, or that it was

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<v Speaker 1>UFOs or some kind of science fiction, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla experiment or something. I've seen those various conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 1>and whatnot. I'm sorry for repeating them, because those things

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<v Speaker 1>are not correct. I mean, we're positive this was a

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<v Speaker 1>space impact. So what happened, Well, on the morning of

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<v Speaker 1>June thirtie, nineteen oh eight, okay, nineteen o eight, and

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<v Speaker 1>checked from space, Probably some kind of asteroid entered Earth's

0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:08.120
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere and possibly hit the ground, but more likely exploded

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<v Speaker 1>in the air at an altitude of about five to

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<v Speaker 1>ten kilometers over an area of eastern Siberia around the

0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:18.760
<v Speaker 1>stony Tunguska River. And this is an area of extremely

0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>sparsely populated wilderness. There's not a lot of people, not

0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:25.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot of population density out there, and this explosion

0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:30.080
<v Speaker 1>is hard for us to imagine. It annihilated roughly two

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:34.480
<v Speaker 1>thousand square kilometers of forest land, leaving trees flattened or

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>stripped of all branches. The photos that exist of this

0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 1>damaged area look like a nuclear test. Site. The forest

0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:45.640
<v Speaker 1>is just shredded and pancaked, and there actually were Despite

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 1>how sparsely populated this area was, there were some contemporaneous

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.040
<v Speaker 1>witnesses who were fairly close. And by fairly close, I

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 1>mean within dozens of miles. Uh So, I want to

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:01.159
<v Speaker 1>read one contemporaneous account from a witness named S. B. Simonov,

0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:04.399
<v Speaker 1>who lived in a place called Vanavara, which was about

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.680
<v Speaker 1>sixty kilometers south southeast from the epicenter of the blast side.

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Remember this is sixty kilometers away. Here's how his account goes.

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:18.360
<v Speaker 1>I was sitting on the porch of the house at

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the trading station of Vena Vara at breakfast time, and

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.800
<v Speaker 1>looking towards the north. I had just raised my axe

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:27.719
<v Speaker 1>to hoop a cask, when suddenly, in the north, above

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 1>vassili Iliatch own cools Tunguska Road, the sky split in two,

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:36.159
<v Speaker 1>and high above the forest, the whole northern part of

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:39.719
<v Speaker 1>the sky appeared to be covered with fire. At that moment,

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:42.879
<v Speaker 1>I felt great heat, as if my shirt had caught fire.

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:46.159
<v Speaker 1>This heat came from the north side. I wanted to

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 1>pull off my shirt and throw it away, but at

0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>that moment there was a bang in the sky, and

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 1>a mighty crash was heard. I was thrown onto the

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 1>ground about five and a half meters away from the porch,

0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 1>and for a moment I lost consciousness. My wife ran

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 1>out and carried me into the hut. The crash was

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:06.919
<v Speaker 1>followed by noise like stones falling from the sky or

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.119
<v Speaker 1>guns firing. The earth trembled, and when I lay on

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.879
<v Speaker 1>the ground, I covered my head because I was afraid

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 1>stones might hit it. At the moment when the sky opened,

0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 1>a hot wind, as from a cannon, blew past the

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.879
<v Speaker 1>huts from the north. It left its mark on the

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>ground in the form of little paths. It damaged onion plants.

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Later it turned out that many panes in the windows

0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 1>had been blown out, and the iron hasp in the

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 1>door of the barn had been broken. When the fire appeared,

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I saw Kosolopov, who was working near the window of

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.960
<v Speaker 1>the house, sit down on the ground, seize his head

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 1>with both hands, and then run into the hut sixty

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 1>kilometers away. And and and this was again this was

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:52.639
<v Speaker 1>like to what extent I mean today, if you saw that,

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:56.400
<v Speaker 1>you would your your mind would instantly turn to nuclear weapons,

0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 1>you know. But but there were no nuclear but there

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>was nothing on the human scale that could, uh, they

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.960
<v Speaker 1>could explain what he was witnessing. I mean, you're you're

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>left to, you know, astronomical explanations if you had privy

0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 1>to them. Otherwise it's just purely supernatural destruction, exactly. Well.

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Some I have read reports that some of the native

0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:18.399
<v Speaker 1>Siberian peoples of the region of the known as the

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Evenki tribes or the Tung people, believed that the Tunguska

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.479
<v Speaker 1>impact was the work of a god named Aga Dy

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.640
<v Speaker 1>who's the god of thunder and lightning. Though I've also

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.880
<v Speaker 1>seen ody described as these believe these creatures that were

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 1>like metal birds of thunder and lightning. Yeah. Other witnesses

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>and generally describe having seen like a blue white streak

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 1>in the sky, followed by what appeared to be this

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>enormous fire consuming the whole sky, and then this gigantic

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>column of black smoke and loud blasts and crashing noises

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>booming over the land. The air blast was picked up

0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>by meteorological equipment really far away, like more and six

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:05.200
<v Speaker 1>thousand kilometers away in England, and reportedly in the nights

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 1>following the explosion, and I'm not sure this story is true,

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>but this is just an anecdote repeated through history, may

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>may or may not be true. Supposedly, and the sky

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 1>remained bright over parts of Europe and Asia in the

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 1>following nights and uh and according to this anecdote, it

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 1>was so bright that you could stand outside at night

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and read a newspaper by the light that was still

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 1>glowing in the sky. The blast triggered fires that burned

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 1>trees tens of kilometers away. Amazingly, despite how destructive this

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 1>blast was, I've read the most recent research on it

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 1>has found evidence of only three reported human casualties from

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 1>the impact. And this is apparently just sheer luck, you know,

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 1>because it was out there where very few people live,

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 1>in extremely sparse wilderness. If it had struck over Beijing

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>or London, it would have been much like a city

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 1>getting hit with a nuclear weapon and probably would have

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>killed millions. Yeah, and I mean of it, it it hid

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 1>and major center of population even in I mean, it

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 1>could have changed the course of history. I mean, it

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 1>just it's it's impossible to really, I mean, I'm sure

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>you can you can sort of like follow individual uh,

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:15.959
<v Speaker 1>you know, life stories and what non prefats There's been

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 1>some speculation on this, but I mean it would it

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 1>would have changed the course of history. It would have

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 1>It would have killed so many people and impacted uh,

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, places of of of power. It would have

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>had an impact on on politics. I mean, this is

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's almost hard to fathom the the different

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 1>world we would live in had this thing impacted pretty

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 1>much anywhere else. Right. Uh. Now, one thing we do

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>know is that an object of the size is not Uh.

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>While it could have had worldwide events, like you're saying,

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>like cultural impacts that far, it would not have been

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>like the KPg extinction event size thing because it wouldn't

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>have like thrown up sediment that completely blocked out the

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>sun and like cut off photosynthesis. You know, it wouldn't

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 1>be that big, right, Like if it hits St. Petersburg,

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 1>it would not have wiped out humanity. It would not

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>have wiped out, you know, all members of the Russian

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Empire or anything to to that extent, but it would

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 1>have severely it would have it would have killed countless

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>people in that one city. Yeah, catastrophic local effects and

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe some maybe some smaller global effects. Um. And so

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>another question I guess is with strikes like this, these

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 1>smaller ones, not like the you know, KPg event level thing,

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>but with these smaller ones, has anybody studied what actually

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.479
<v Speaker 1>happens to nearby humans and other life forms when this

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 1>type of impact occurs, Like if a Tungusca size object hits,

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>what happens to you if you're nearby? I did find yes,

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>there is at least one study of this uh. It

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>was published in Geophysical Research Letters in it's by rump

0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Lewis and Atkinson. Is called Asteroid Impact of X and

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 1>their Immediate Hazards for Human populations. And what the authors

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 1>did here is they simulated the impacts of more than

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand asteroid strikes at random locations on the surface

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 1>of the Earth to gain insights on the average effects

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 1>of human populations who would be nearby and so. Here

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>were a few of their main findings. One is that

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:24.280
<v Speaker 1>objects are less than maybe like sixty or seventy meters

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>across tend not to hit the surface of the Earth,

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>but rather always explode in the atmosphere. And this is

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>not without risks like remember that all the damage caused

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>by the Chelabinsk media which exploded in the sky, but

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 1>it it tends to generate the air burst only, and

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>an air bursts can still be powerful and dangerous. The

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 1>main theory, of course about the Tunguska event is that

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>it was an air burst. It's exploded in the atmosphere

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>and didn't have a chance to hit the ground, even

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 1>though it was a good bit bigger. But for most

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>sizes of asteroids, by far the greatest risk to humans

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 1>is from what's known as wind blast. These are waves,

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, wave of hot compressed air exploding out of

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the object. Uh. The second greatest risk after that is

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 1>just straight thermal risk heat generated due to the impact,

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>And then the third greatest risk in general was due

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 1>to tsunamis, And the authors actually found that risk to

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>human life from tsunamis is relatively lower than they expected,

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 1>but it increases a lot as the object becomes larger

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 1>than like two hundred or two hundred and fifty in diameter,

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>And their estimates only include objects up to four hundred

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>meters in diameter, so effects could change dramatically as objects

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 1>become bigger and bigger. Now, Robert, I think I think

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>we should step back after what we've just been talking about.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 1>We should do in lot a reality check. We don't

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>want to be alarmists, so to reiterate, the odds are

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>in our favor here, at least on short time scales,

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 1>because the vast majority of asteroids of this size don't

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.960
<v Speaker 1>come this close to Earth, maybe roughly one every ten years.

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>By that estimate we talked about earlier, only about zero

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>point five percent of asteroid it's that pass within this

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 1>range will actually hit Earth. And then even if one

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 1>does hit Earth, most of the world's surfaces water, though

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 1>of course there can be threats from an impact in

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>water depending on where it happens. And then much of

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the land surface of Earth is sparsely populated, so on

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 1>short time scales, the odds of a catastrophic impact on

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 1>a city or something like that are very very low.

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 1>But it's one of those cases where the chance of

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 1>a bad outcome on a short time scale may be low,

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>but the consequences when that off chance does come to

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 1>pass are devastating and on. Of course, the the other

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 1>side of the coin is that on long enough time scales,

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>these events go from extremely unlikely to near certainty. Yeah,

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>one of the things I keep keep asking when I

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>look at all these stats. It's like, Okay, am I

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>comfortable with those odds? But then if I'm comfortable with

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the odds, am I am I comfortable with the steaks?

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>You know? Yeah? Totally uh. And it also raises, I

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.959
<v Speaker 1>guess a tangentially interesting question, at least to me, which is, like,

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>how long have a time scale should we be concerned about? Like,

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 1>if something is a civilization level threat but it's unlikely

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 1>to happen, you know, more than once within the next

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.919
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand years, how much of our attention should it get?

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Well that's how much should or how much will it?

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>You know? I mean, well, yeah, those are very I

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:23.280
<v Speaker 1>mean exactly tend to be rather terrible at at weighing

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, our immediate situation with long term threats to

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 1>to to the survival of the human race sort of

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the health of the planet. Yeah, you're exactly right about that.

0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously we're not even appropriately preparing for extremely

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.839
<v Speaker 1>likely to near certain climate related problems that are less

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:41.759
<v Speaker 1>than a hundred years away some or even you know,

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>happening now or decades away. So maybe this question about

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>longer time scales is moot just given like what our

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>capabilities are, Like, maybe it doesn't even matter what we

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.720
<v Speaker 1>should be doing, because humans just can't make themselves do it.

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 1>But I don't want to be resigned or you know,

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to throw in the towel about that

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>just because we haven't been good at it so far. No,

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 1>because we the we have the tremendous ability to correct

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 1>these errors. I mean, this has often brought up on

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the subject of climate change. Uh you know, well that's

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 1>what I was just referring to. Yeah, I mean, but

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 1>but specifically with climate change. Like, yes, we've got ourselves

0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:18.719
<v Speaker 1>into quite a mess, and that's that's bad. But the

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:21.279
<v Speaker 1>good side of it is we got ourselves into so

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 1>much of this mess that just shows you the potential

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>of human technology. Like, look at what we can do. Granted,

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 1>we screwed things up here, but we imagine if we

0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.360
<v Speaker 1>use that same level of energy and intensity towards a

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.920
<v Speaker 1>corrective measure. Yes, though I want to be clear that

0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>so we're not misunderstood here. We are not advising people

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 1>to hang their hat on like a potential like Holy

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Grail technology that will get rid of all the carbon

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. That is not a gamble that's

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 1>worth playing with. I think they're talking about like other

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 1>energy technology, other energy technologies, and also just like corrective

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>measures like and a willingness to change in that case. Yeah, absolutely,

0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:58.919
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know, I mean, I I do think

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:01.919
<v Speaker 1>like this is a different kind of thing than climate change,

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>because climate change is something that we're like, we're we're

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>like near certain about some types of effects that are

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 1>coming within a you know, compared to this a relatively

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 1>short time scale. They're like almost definitely going to happen

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 1>within decades or a hundred years or something, and the

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>effects will be catastrophic. So that's like you'd probably say

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 1>that's actually a higher priority, but but this is a

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>different priority, so that it's like a catastrophic tail risk.

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 1>It's unlikely that we would get hit by an asteroid

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 1>like this anytime soon, but if we did, it could

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>be really bad, right of course. That The other obvious

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>thing to point out is that asteroids have mostly, if

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>not entirely and thankfully not been politicized. Oh yeah, so

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>nobody is out there saying why aren't we why are

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:51.439
<v Speaker 1>we charting the asteroids? Like look at the I mean they,

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could easily imagine somebody taking up this

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 1>is is there. They're they're horrible battle cry and saying,

0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 1>look how much we're spending on space exploration, Look how

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:02.760
<v Speaker 1>much we're spending on this, on on watching the movements

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 1>of the asteroids, and look at these astronomical chances that

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>anything is going to hit us. Well, the unfortunate fact

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 1>about the politicization of science is that it does not

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 1>require both sides in order to happen. You can asymmetrically

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 1>politicize and currently non political issue, you know, just by

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:20.399
<v Speaker 1>having one side get worked up about it, and then

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 1>of course the process is irreversible. And so please don't

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>do that with the planetary defense and stuff about, right, Yeah, hopefully,

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I think planetary defense should be something that we that

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 1>everybody can agree on, and we should all like everybody

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:35.359
<v Speaker 1>should be able to agree, Yes, this is a this

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 1>is a good investment in our future. It's like having

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 1>a lock on the door to your house. Yeah. But

0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:43.319
<v Speaker 1>then again, the exact same thing should be true about

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.879
<v Speaker 1>alternative energy and climate change and stuff, and it's true

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 1>not I mean, clearly, what is in our interest to

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 1>de politicize does not correlate to what people actually do

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 1>de politicize. I think hopefully one I think one thing

0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:59.040
<v Speaker 1>in our favor here is that, as we've discussed on

0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the show, one of the problems with climate issues is

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.560
<v Speaker 1>that it's it's very difficult for most of us to

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 1>wrap our hands heads around all that's happening in this

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 1>vast chaotic system of atmosphere and uh in climate. You know,

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:14.319
<v Speaker 1>it's particularly when you're dealing with with larger periods of time,

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 1>oh and asteroids more like an easy to identify villain.

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like a rock thrown at your head.

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Like we can instantly be like, yeah, like i'm here,

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 1>that's there. That should not hit where I am, and

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:28.040
<v Speaker 1>like we can all agree that that that this this

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:29.399
<v Speaker 1>is a bad thing, that should be that the big

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>should should be avoided at all costs and easier to

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 1>process in the mind, it's an incoming projectile, and we've

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.839
<v Speaker 1>we've evolved to deal with that kind of threat. That's

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 1>a really good point, and I think it's absolutely, of

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.799
<v Speaker 1>course worth investing in planetary defense at multiple levels, by

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 1>the way, probably most importantly right now, and expanding our

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 1>surveying capabilities right to increase our ability to catalog and

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:55.320
<v Speaker 1>track near Earth objects, which we're already doing a pretty

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 1>good job at with Earth based telescopes and all that,

0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:01.319
<v Speaker 1>but expanding those capabilities it sounds like a very good

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:03.359
<v Speaker 1>idea to me. And then I guess the next thing

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:05.040
<v Speaker 1>on top of that is something that maybe we'll talk

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 1>about at the end of the episode, is what would

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>we do if we did detect something? You know, pretty

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>we did have fore warning, we're pretty sure something's on

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>a collision course with Earth. Is there anything we can

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 1>actually do about it? Right? All right, well, let's take

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.799
<v Speaker 1>another break and when we come back, we'll discuss our

0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 1>general state of preparedness for small near Earth objects and

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:26.839
<v Speaker 1>then yeah, what what we would do if something did

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 1>seem to have our name on it? Thank? Thank Alright,

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 1>we're back. Okay, So Robert, we need to talk about

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 1>what we would do if we got some bad news

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>about a an asteroid uh coming down the pike in

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 1>our direction? All right? Well, yeah, well first let's let's

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 1>let's touch again on our general state of preparedness. So,

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:52.400
<v Speaker 1>like we said earlier, of extinction, class near Earth objects

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 1>and eos are are marked, and it works out in

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.479
<v Speaker 1>our favor because the bigger ones are easier to see.

0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Exactly fortunate our ability to to track these things has

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:03.720
<v Speaker 1>certainly come a long way. Like I was reading about

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>how in observations of the asteroid n XF eleven suggested

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:14.799
<v Speaker 1>that this half mile wide object would just simply hit

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the Earth in. Only later did it turn out, via

0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.800
<v Speaker 1>better orbit analysis that the Earth actually isn't in danger

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:23.960
<v Speaker 1>from this particular asteroid. So it was just you know,

0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 1>more or less taken off the list based on our

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 1>current data. NASA has a sort of rogues gallery of

0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 1>potentially dangerous asteroids or UM, you know, also known as

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 1>p h as fause potentially has dis asteroids, that's the

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 1>abbreviation UM. And these are ones that are predicted to

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, to make close passes, such as say feet on,

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 1>which made a close pass in twenty seventeen, and we'll

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>make a closer pass in but we're talking about a

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:58.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen distance of what, let's see, ten million, three

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:01.720
<v Speaker 1>d and twelve thousand and thirty four kilometers or six million,

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 1>four hundred and seven thousand and six hundred one miles

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 1>and then uh, the next pass, we're going to see

0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 1>it come in at two million, nine sixty four thousand

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:14.880
<v Speaker 1>kilometers or one million, eight hundred forty one thousand miles,

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 1>which is still again close enough to be of concern.

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>But again this is just a to to really drive

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 1>home the distances we're talking about here. So there are

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.840
<v Speaker 1>a number there are a number of potentially hazardous asteroids,

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 1>but even the more hazardous ones have a pretty low

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 1>chance of hitting the Earth. One of the biggest known

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 1>dangers out there right now, for example, is two thousand

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:37.800
<v Speaker 1>s g threety four, which has a one and eleven

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:41.879
<v Speaker 1>hundred chance of impact in one and again I come

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>back to that question. You might are you might be

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 1>cool with those odds, but are you cool with the steaks?

0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>It's again easier to spot the big civilization busters, and

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:53.800
<v Speaker 1>that's where that nine tracking rate comes in. But according

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 1>to the Planetary Society, which has a has a number

0:41:56.080 --> 0:42:01.240
<v Speaker 1>of wonderful um uh educational resources on space, experty and astronomy,

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 1>we're only tracking like twenty thousand out of a million

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:08.840
<v Speaker 1>smaller but potentially deadly pH s. So we need to

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 1>improve our tracking capabilities right for these again, to deal

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:17.360
<v Speaker 1>with these potential city busters, especially, So I suppose the

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:19.319
<v Speaker 1>answer is that you know, we're doing better than we

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 1>ever have, but there's a lot of room for improvement

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 1>and lots more room for certainty when the stakes are

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.840
<v Speaker 1>this high. And this is also a very important reason

0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 1>to always support and vote for political candidates and parties

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:34.880
<v Speaker 1>that value science, scientific consensus, and h and manifest that

0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 1>support for science in the form of policy and funding. Now,

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the next question is, okay, what if we what if

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 1>we do spot one that is just coming way too

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 1>close for comfort? What are we prepared to do about it?

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:50.520
<v Speaker 1>And this is an area where various plans have been

0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:52.719
<v Speaker 1>presented over the years, and it's really like it's one

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:56.120
<v Speaker 1>of these scenarios that that you really get the sense

0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of you know, astronomers and science is

0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 1>really relish. The problem is a pure thought experiment, like

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:07.320
<v Speaker 1>what can you do to to deal with an asteroid

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:09.800
<v Speaker 1>that is on course to hit the Earth or getting

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:12.399
<v Speaker 1>way too close to the Earth for our comfort level?

0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 1>So you get Bruce Willis, Oh, no, I'm sorry, I

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 1>made that joke. You know. I was like, I'm gonna

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 1>go this episode without referencing arm Agin, and then I

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:23.720
<v Speaker 1>just did it anyway. Yeah, well, I've never seen Armagin,

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 1>so I can't I can't even chime in on that.

0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:27.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's worth your time. But I've

0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:30.160
<v Speaker 1>seen chronicles of Riddick and that had that had a

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>dangerous sort of near Earth object like the Necromonger spaceship.

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 1>As a comment, right, oh man, those those rat tail

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:41.360
<v Speaker 1>braids on Carl Urban's head, and that that is the

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:44.359
<v Speaker 1>near Earth object that I'm most worried about. All right,

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 1>So a near Earth object coming at the planet. What

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:49.320
<v Speaker 1>can you do? Well, all the all the proposed solutions

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.920
<v Speaker 1>tend to fall under one of two categories. Either you

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 1>destroy the near Earth object, fragmenting it into smaller chunks,

0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:59.799
<v Speaker 1>or you alter its trajectory. I am of the you know,

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:02.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm not an expert in this realm, but I'm of

0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:04.399
<v Speaker 1>the opinion that one of the forks of the stile

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 1>emma is much better than the other. Well, blowing it

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 1>up is certainly very you know, I think it's an

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:12.840
<v Speaker 1>ego inflate inflating option to be sure, you know, launch

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 1>a nuke, get into that puppy and just make it

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 1>go boom. Right. Of course, the thing is this fragments

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:22.240
<v Speaker 1>the larger ineo into smaller chunks that you know, hopefully

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 1>if you're dealing with a small enough ineo, you know,

0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:26.399
<v Speaker 1>you're you're breaking it up into chunks that will then

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>just burn up in the atmosphere should you hit the atmosphere.

0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:31.799
<v Speaker 1>But you know it's also you could look at it

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:33.280
<v Speaker 1>another way and say, well, it's a bit like turning

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:36.600
<v Speaker 1>an incoming slug or an incoming bullet into an incoming

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:40.879
<v Speaker 1>blast of buckshot. Right. According according to Alan Duffy, one

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:43.719
<v Speaker 1>of the researchers we mentioned earlier, he was quoted in

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:47.319
<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post saying that this option of nuking it

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:49.359
<v Speaker 1>and blowing it into pieces, he says, quote, it makes

0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 1>for a great Hollywood film. The challenge with a nuke

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:54.319
<v Speaker 1>is that it may or may not work, but would

0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 1>definitely make the asteroid radioactive. Okay, so radioactive buckshot? Ye

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 1>coming I ship Now. The more popular ideas involve changing

0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the ineo's trajectory, and these range from crashing another object

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:10.839
<v Speaker 1>into it so like croquet or Billard style, you know,

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 1>to gently gently nudging it off course. This is generally

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 1>known as the kinetic impact, but you could also use

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.279
<v Speaker 1>nukes for this as well. It should be point out

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.520
<v Speaker 1>like if you were to use a nuclear device to

0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:27.359
<v Speaker 1>deter to deflect an asteroid, you wouldn't have to like

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 1>blow it up. You could just create an explosion in

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:32.279
<v Speaker 1>a close enough proximity to it to try and nudge

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>it off course. Yeah, so you could, you know, of

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:37.000
<v Speaker 1>course you could have a kinetic impact or an explosion

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.880
<v Speaker 1>try to divert its course. Another often discussed solution is

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>what's known as the gravity tractor. Oh yeah, I really

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:46.879
<v Speaker 1>like this one. So this involves flying a probe out

0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:49.960
<v Speaker 1>to meet the asteroid and then having the probe simply

0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:53.520
<v Speaker 1>fly alongside it. And remember that gravity works both ways.

0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:56.880
<v Speaker 1>It not only attracts smaller bodies to larger ones, it

0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:59.560
<v Speaker 1>also attracts larger bodies to smaller ones. For example, in

0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:03.080
<v Speaker 1>our Solar System, the planets actually do exert a small

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 1>gravitational influence over the Sun, causing it to sort of

0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:08.839
<v Speaker 1>wobble in place, and the same would be true here.

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:11.919
<v Speaker 1>Over time, if you have a small spacecraft flying next

0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 1>to an asteroid, the asteroid would feel a slight gravitational

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 1>tug toward the mutual center of gravity that shares with

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:23.240
<v Speaker 1>the probe flying alongside it, and this gravitational tug would slowly,

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:28.000
<v Speaker 1>over time nudge the asteroid off its trajectory and something

0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:30.000
<v Speaker 1>about the solution is kind of beautiful to me, and

0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I can tell from the way that many astrophysicists talk

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 1>about this they kind of feel the same way. I

0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:38.320
<v Speaker 1>often see the gravity tractor described with the word elegant.

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's kind of the Pixar solution because

0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:42.959
<v Speaker 1>I can imagine it as a Pixar short the big

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:46.359
<v Speaker 1>grumpy asteroid that's on its way to destroy us, and

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:48.840
<v Speaker 1>we solve it not by launching a weapon at it,

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:51.400
<v Speaker 1>but by sending a robot friend. It gets there, it

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.719
<v Speaker 1>gets a manic Pixie gravity tractors, and and then it

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 1>just over time, you know, it gradually steers off course

0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and chooses a new path in line. Now, the key

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.840
<v Speaker 1>to either of these, whether it's kinetic impact or or

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:07.839
<v Speaker 1>gravity tractor, if you're trying to divert the trajectory, the

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 1>key is lead time. The earlier you detect a potential

0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 1>threat asteroid, the easier it is to divert. Kind of

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:17.359
<v Speaker 1>like if you imagine you're trying to knock off the

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:20.760
<v Speaker 1>aim of a gun. If it's at point blank range,

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 1>this is a lot harder, you know, because the gun

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:25.279
<v Speaker 1>can move around a lot and still hit you. If

0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a very long range, an extremely tiny nudge will

0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:32.000
<v Speaker 1>cause a miss right just because of the distance. You know,

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:34.360
<v Speaker 1>it goes wider and wider as it gets farther and

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 1>farther away. Yeah, so it means that if you if

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:39.440
<v Speaker 1>you had advanced knowledge and you had the ability to

0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 1>send something out there to it some sort of probe.

0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:45.439
<v Speaker 1>There are a number of more elegant solutions that present

0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 1>themselves that don't involve massive explosions and big kinetic strikes.

0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh So. Individual strategies involve everything from a fixing rocket

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:57.440
<v Speaker 1>boosters to to an object to one of my favorites,

0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 1>simply painting it white. Because consider if if an object

0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:05.280
<v Speaker 1>were were darker, it would reflect something like the sunlight,

0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:07.719
<v Speaker 1>but a white coat of paint. You see that number

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:11.719
<v Speaker 1>go up to about so altering the way photons of

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:16.320
<v Speaker 1>light interact with an ineos surface, either through paint another

0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:19.759
<v Speaker 1>way that is sometimes there's been a suggested is through

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 1>solar sale shading. So move some sort of large solar

0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:27.600
<v Speaker 1>sale device essentially a big space umbrella between the sun

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:32.359
<v Speaker 1>and the asteroid, or use lasers, etcetera. And this would

0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:36.279
<v Speaker 1>allow you to mess with the Arkovsky effect. Now, the

0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Arkovsky effect, this is the NASA definition. Is it's name

0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:44.719
<v Speaker 1>for a nineteenth century nineteenth century Russian engineer who first

0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 1>proposed the idea, and that is that a small, rocky

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<v Speaker 1>space object would, over long periods of time be noticeably

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<v Speaker 1>nudged in its orbit by the slight push created when

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<v Speaker 1>it absorbs sunlight and then re emits that energy is heat,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty which is pretty wonderful to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you don't have to send out at a

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<v Speaker 1>bomb or or a robot to mess with it, and

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<v Speaker 1>like strap rockets onto it. All you have to do

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<v Speaker 1>is send more or less light and you can alter

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<v Speaker 1>the trajectory of this asteroid. But again, all of these

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<v Speaker 1>these options are highly dependent on having lots of lead time,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing way way in advance that it could be coming

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<v Speaker 1>our way. And this is yet again why the most

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<v Speaker 1>important thing in all of these solutions is improving our

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<v Speaker 1>survey and detection capabilities. I think we should come up

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<v Speaker 1>with with an asteroid character right now that can be

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<v Speaker 1>our stand in villain. So when the asteroid, when the

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<v Speaker 1>one appears that is a threat. We've got a ready

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<v Speaker 1>made like character in our mythology to pair it up with, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like, so you mentioned the Pixar movie you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta have the grumpy asteroid that gets paired with the

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<v Speaker 1>Manning Pixie space probe. Well, uh, you know, there are

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<v Speaker 1>a few different ways you could go in that. In

0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:00.799
<v Speaker 1>that in that area, I mean, obviously one turns to

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<v Speaker 1>comics and you think of of say, oh, what's the

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:08.160
<v Speaker 1>big Marvel guy, the planet guy Galactus? Galactus is a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful stand in for some sort of enormous cosmic threat.

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<v Speaker 1>Does Galactus eat planets? He eats planets? Seems the other

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<v Speaker 1>way around. Well, I mean it's like it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>poison pill that our planet would eat. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is, once Galactus gets to your planet, it's over.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you know, it's it doesn't really matter exactly how

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<v Speaker 1>he you know, what happens. You just know you're doomed.

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<v Speaker 1>And and that's kind of the scenario with a significantly

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<v Speaker 1>sized asteroid. But one thing I do keep coming back

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<v Speaker 1>to with this topic, and I have over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we're talking about an actual threat to the

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<v Speaker 1>planet and efforts to mitigate that threat and to prevent

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<v Speaker 1>any of any objects from hitting us. And it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it is ultimately such a noble venture and again one

0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:57.319
<v Speaker 1>that we can all get behind and all celebrate. And

0:50:57.360 --> 0:51:01.440
<v Speaker 1>really it kind of serves as as an example. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's almost like a perfectly romantic, uh simple problem

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<v Speaker 1>to have and in many respects, like, yes, they're technological

0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:13.400
<v Speaker 1>hurdles to overcome, but unlike so many more complicated problems

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<v Speaker 1>in uh, in human events and even in the you know,

0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the health of our planet, like, it's something with a

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:22.480
<v Speaker 1>clear cut threat and some some basic steps that we

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<v Speaker 1>can continue to take to try and mitigate the danger.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. It's like it's like the one noble war.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a you know, a war. It's a fight for

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<v Speaker 1>our lives, but without a human enemy. Right. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>and also the next time you hear a bit of

0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 1>space news that doesn't just completely like you know, fill

0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:43.200
<v Speaker 1>you with wonder and excitement where you're like, oh, well,

0:51:43.200 --> 0:51:46.120
<v Speaker 1>that's just I'm not particularly you know one over by

0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:48.040
<v Speaker 1>that it doesn't like, you know, fill me with the

0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:51.200
<v Speaker 1>zeal for space. Think back to the fact that it's

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<v Speaker 1>that's all a part of our ongoing attempt to better

0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:58.799
<v Speaker 1>understand understand our our local and overall uh you know,

0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 1>galactic neighborhood. And by doing so, you know we're able

0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 1>to protect the planet from threats like this again, to

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<v Speaker 1>protect ourselves against the wrath of Galactus or the wrath

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<v Speaker 1>of act Yeah, all right, we're gonna call it right there.

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