WEBVTT - Eric Slick on The Big Lebowski 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.120 Hey, everybody, Welcome to Movie Crush. Charles W Chuck Bryant 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.400 here in the home studio Pont City Market into an 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.159 outro guests recorded by Jerry. A exciting is that everyone, 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:38.159 first time she's been involved in this show because she 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.440 didn't really doesn't care about it, otherwise it's not true. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.680 So this week, everyone, I had another drummer in which 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.920 was great. I had Mr Eric Slick of the great 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:51.000 band Doctor Dog, Philly's Own Doctor Dog, one of my 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.360 favorite groups, and this is one of those where I 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.400 was like, Hey, I love Dr Dog. They're coming to Atlanta. 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:58.520 Wonder if anyone from the band would want to be 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:00.960 on the show. And as it turns out, Eric Slick 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:04.000 is a big movie fan and is a big Big 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.560 Lebowski fan, and I got back in touch and said 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.840 I'd love to come on and talk Big Lebowski and 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.000 we did that. What a great, great movie and I 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:13.600 know a lot of you are very excited about this. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.080 So Eric and I sat down and talked about music 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.880 about Dr Dog, very interesting story how he got involved, 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.920 and he's just a really cool, interesting guy overall. And 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.920 then we dive in deep on The Big Lebowski and 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.720 it was a lot of fun. So, without any delay, 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:37.880 here we go with Eric Slick on The Big Lebowski. Yeah. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.000 I do a formal intro before and after, so I 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.319 checked in yesterday. I wanted to make sure that I 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:47.600 wasn't gonna be totally unprepared. Also, ASO rewatched The Big Lebowski. Yeah, 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.960 well that always helps. I had, um, do you know 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.800 The Walking Dead the TV show? I had you know 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.760 the guy who plays Aaron rossmar kwand had him in 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:02.040 yesterday and uh for die Hard and we've both seen it. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.000 We were kind of laughing. We've both seen it dozens 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.919 of times. But there's something different about watching it analytically 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.799 for something like this and taking notes. And he did 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.639 the same thing. He came in with notes and those 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.240 are always the best ones. So, yeah, thanks for watching Lebowski. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:18.840 Well it's not like that's a chore, but it's not 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:20.639 a chore. And it's one of those movies I could 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.440 watch over and over again and it's like a tattoo 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:29.040 on my forehead, it really is. So you were from 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.960 Philly originally, I'm from Philadelphia. Nice, Yeah, and r a 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.720 great town. Oh man, Philly is the best. It's changed 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:39.239 a lot much like Atlanta has changed a lot. Sure, Um, 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.440 but Philly is amazing and uh it's a huge part 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:46.440 of my cultural and just my DNA. I can't I 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.680 can't take the Philly out of me. It's one of 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:50.800 those towns I think too. There's a lot of pride. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:55.640 Yeah for a city, yea, some would argue and then 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:02.560 in uh pride in excess. Uh, we're you know, we're 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.600 a town that really thrives on the pride of its 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.760 sports teams, even when it's sports teams have been utter failures. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.400 I've got a couple of really good Philly friends that 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.600 are you know, lifers lifers. Are you into the sports 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.960 at all? Or I too? I'm a fair weather fan. Unfortunately, 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.160 Well you're doing pretty well then lately. Yeah, well this 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.360 year is a great year for us. You know, my 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:29.040 dad was like crying tears of joy when the Super 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.200 Bowl happened. Um, but you know it was like the 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.440 first Super Bowl I watched in full, probably in like 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.520 five years, and I was like jumping around my house. 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.720 I mean I was excited. Well, you had the same, 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:42.600 well not the same experience as me as a Falcons fan. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.160 But uh, up until it all went bad, we had 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.800 the same experience where I feel like the whole world 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.240 was on your side, the whole world was on our side. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:55.320 Unless you're a New England fan, nobody wants to see 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.160 them win, unless you are literally a New England person, 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.280 like everybody wanted Philly went. We are. Yeah, we we 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.600 have a reputation for being underdogs and we also just 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.600 seem to have a lot of curses against us. I mean, 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.280 we haven't won a Stanley Cup since nineteen seventy four. 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.520 The Eagles have never won a Super Bowl. I don't 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.400 even know. I don't think the Sixers have ever won 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.160 a championship to my knowledge. The Phillies, obviously we had 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:23.440 nineteen eight. We got really close. Ironically, I was in Vilnius, 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.360 Lithuania when we won and I was so bummed. And 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.400 actually the rest of the Doctor Dog dudes were in 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.920 Australia when the Phillies won, and we were all just 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:35.520 like pretty heartbroken. Yeah, well the Phillies are looking good again. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.120 Sixers are better than they've been in forever forever. Yeah, 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.640 but the Sixers, we we got close, but we didn't 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.200 make it. Yeah, that was that was a disappointing playoff run. 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.360 But it's the first of what would be many, So 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.240 I hope. So yeah, I mean as a you know, 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.160 as a Philadelphia but I'm I'm an expat, Like I 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.120 don't live in Philly anymore. I live in Virginia now, 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.200 but as a Philadelphia and I want us to succeed 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.760 in every possible way. Like I grew up with Billy 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:05.479 being like working class. You know, it's different now it's 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.520 very European or something. I don't know even how to 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.920 describe it. There's like five coffee shops per block, right, um, 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:14.839 But I grew up with it being of course, I 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.760 grew up being a very working class place. Like, so 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.320 whenever any victory has happened, we are just like, oh yeah, yeah, 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.520 you know, we would burn the city down right in 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.280 a good way. In a good way. We burned the 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.720 city down. Yeah. Where is um? Where's the band spread out? 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.120 It sounds like everyone lives in different places? Yeah, so 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:40.320 are Scott mcknickin, our singer songwriter, lives in Tucson, Arizona. Now. Uh, Frank, 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.280 our guitar player, lives in Jersey. Um, and hopefully I'm 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.799 not blowing up anybody's spot. Toby lives in Delaware, Zach 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.640 is the only one left in Philadelphia because he's the 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.680 old dude hanging on to Philly. It seems some of 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.200 my favorite bands are spread out bands and don't like 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.080 all live in the same town together. Absence makes the 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.440 heart grow fond got the payment shirt on that you 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:06.200 were marked about. They very famously didn't ever live together. No, no, 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.480 over the place. They are all over the place. And 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.839 and you know what, the more I tour and the 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:12.960 more I hang out with bands that, like, it's just 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.839 becoming a thing. You know, like people want to feel 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.320 comfortable and maybe like their hometown doesn't make them feel 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:22.120 super comfortable. Um, Philly eventually for me became a place 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:26.040 where I was a drummer in thirteen or fourteen different bands. Seriously, Yeah, 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.200 that's such a drummer troupe, such a drummer trope. But 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.240 but good drummers are in short supply, yeah, exactly. So 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.120 I was like in an absurd amount of bands, and 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.280 one day, you know, I realized that my tour life 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.800 and my home life were the same thing, and it 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.000 just was exhausting. You're always out with somebody I was 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.160 always out with. I mean, I'm still always on tour 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.240 but like I wanted my home life to feel distinctly 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:53.800 different than my tour life, because tour is insanity and 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.360 when you come home and then you're like, all right. 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.560 I remember I came home from vacation. I was on 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.040 vacation in the Virgin Islands, came home and I played 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:04.440 a gig like you had to cut it short or 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.800 you know, like like I was on vacation for a 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.680 week and then we landed in JFK and then I 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.480 drove down from JFK to Philly and then immediately played 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.200 a show. I can even like go home and have 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:18.000 that unwind experience nothing, you know. I remember at the time, 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:19.720 I was like I should turn my phone off during 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.320 this vacation, but then the better half of me was like, no, 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.679 what if there's a call. What if there's a call, 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.560 you might need to take the call. Um. I think 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.200 that So, speaking of Philly being working class, I think 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.000 that working class attitude is instilled in the people who 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.320 are really and like, you know, it's like you, I 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:38.800 don't know, it's not like fake it till you make it, 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.400 but it's just like you just have to keep working 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:46.200 and working and working. What. Um, So you guys h 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:47.880 how did you How did you come to be in 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:49.840 the band, because we we talked a little bit of 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.960 that about on the elevator, but I want to hear 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.280 that story because I've been with Dr Dog as a 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.000 fan from the beginning. My friend Ryan shout out to 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.040 Ryan turned me onto them when I lived in l A. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:04.760 And I guess like two thousand one ish too, maybe yeah, 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:09.320 um early, yeah, you were on board early. Well he 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.520 was on board early. Oh sure, sure, but you both 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.679 were ye yeah, give yourself some credit. That's amazing. So 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.480 the I joined the band in two thousand and ten, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.200 but I had been a fan of the band for 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:25.720 a long time. Yes. Uh. My friend Dan uh uh 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.160 was like, you got to hear this band, Doctor Dog 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.560 or West Billy Band, And I was like, alright, great. 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.680 I listened to it totally blew my mind and then 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.240 I was on This is how long ago it was. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.000 I was like eighteen years old. I was on vacation 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.920 with my family and Dr Dog happened to be playing 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.240 in the in Atlantic City. I was in Ocean City, 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.880 New Jersey, and they were opening for the rock on 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:50.720 on tours, Jack White's side project band, and uh, I 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.720 was like, oh, great, this band I just heard about 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.040 is playing a show. We should all go. So we 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.320 like got a huge group of friends together and we 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.400 saw Dr Dog play in the House of Blues in 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.679 Atlantic City and it was I mean it was like 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.320 transcendent yea and those early Doctor Dog shows. Like then 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.240 I would go see them play locally like forty people, 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.920 twenty people, and at the end it was like every 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:17.480 time I saw them, I'm like, man, that's the best. Yeah. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.480 My whole thing early on was like, man, why aren't 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.720 these guys bigger? Like why am I in a room 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.280 WITHO right now? Um? Yeah, and and and then the 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.560 selfish part of me was like, yeah, don't tell anyone, 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.040 you know. The sudden the selfish part of me was like, 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:30.840 don't tell anyone, And the other selfish party was like, 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.440 I want to play drums in that. So I became 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.160 fast friends with them, and uh, you know, we were 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.560 playing a couple of different shows together, and uh, the 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:44.160 big one was I was playing with a belly dance 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.960 troupe and a boom had somehow got roped into this, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.439 like because you always answered the phone, because I always 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.920 answered the phone, I got roped into this belly dance 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.760 group gig where I'm playing like a doom back, like 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.800 a belly dance drum. Yeah. And it was at the 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.800 soul Or stage at Baru and it was like this 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.840 Knox Bill belly dance band. Yeah, they're not even a 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.160 Philly band, but I somehow got connected with these guys 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:13.040 and U I Uh, we pull up to the park, 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.840 the camping area, the parking area for camping, and uh, 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:18.640 a big van pulls up next to us and it 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.559 was dr Dog and they were like, oh slick like 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.280 Philly and We're like, uh, you know, it was this 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.360 big moment. And ended up hanging out with them all 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.760 weekend and uh just became really close with them and 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:35.560 the drummer and I poisoned their drummer and spiritually, No, no, 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.560 it wasn't like that. It was more just like I 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.280 had so much respect for them and I loved that 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.439 band with all of my heart. You know. I listened 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.920 to their first record, Easy Beat to Death, and then 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:48.800 they had Takers and leaver z Ep and then we 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.440 all belonged came out and it was like a game 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.800 changer in Philadelphia. Man, such a great record, such a 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.640 great record. So uh, then they took me out for 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:01.120 my twenty one birthday. Um, Zach the keyboardists had this 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.840 like little piece of paper with a bunch of numbers 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.800 and chicken scratch and uh at Boro, he was like, 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.760 give me your phone number. He didn't have a cell phone. 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.160 He's like, give me your phone number, and on your 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:15.839 twenty one birthday, I'm gonna give you a call. We're 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.679 going to hang out no matter what the situation is. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.640 And I was like, Okay, writes my number and like 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.840 the tiniest handwriting I've ever seen on this crappy little 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:26.880 card that looks like it's from but in his wallet. 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.160 And then a day before my twenty one birthday, I 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.480 get a call from Zach. He's like, hey, Black Keys 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.120 are playing tomorrow. We're all going. You're you're with us, 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.439 coming with us. And that was my twenty one birthday. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:39.880 So it's just like a lot of like they kept 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:44.840 just being so generous and then uh, their drummer quit 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.600 in two thousand nine, and Um, I ran into Zack 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.840 on the street because Zack is a big figure in 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.320 this story. But I ran him down the street and 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.560 I was so I had been on tour playing like 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:59.679 progressive rock music. I don't know if you know this, 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.080 but like I was, I was like deep frogue. I 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.880 was playing with Adrian Blue from Crimson. Yeah, that was 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.200 my gig. I was playing with Adrian Blue, and then 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.360 I was playing in a Zappa band with all the 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.959 Zappa Xappa musicians. So I was doing some nerdy drumming, 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.280 like very like intense, like your whole life is consumed 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:23.720 by Zappa music and Crimson music. Yeah. Stuff, It's really tough, 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.160 and when you're in that world it can get kind 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:31.040 of like claustrophobic. And then eventually like the you know, 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.320 I I just had desires deeper than playing complicated music. 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:39.200 I wanted to play like song like song songs, you know. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.640 And that's no shade to Zappa. He has plenty of songs, 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:46.319 but it's just like no Zeppa Zeppa everyone could set. Yeah, 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.440 it's not like put it on at the party music, 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.559 you know. It's like I'm a headcase. A lot of 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.840 people listen to Zeppa alone in a room. And I 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.720 love Zappa. Zappa will always be one of my favorite musicians, 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.520 but it's just I had yearnings the fer than that. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.679 So I quit all those bands and then I was like, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.280 you know, what I'm gonna quit drumming. I had to 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:06.800 sit in my head that I wasn't cut out to 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.280 be a drummer, and I sold all of my drums 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:15.000 for DJ equipment. Oh my god, it's not even thinking 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.760 about it. I'm like, what was I thinking? But so 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:19.400 I ran into Zack on the street and he's like, hey, 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.679 what do you order? Life crisis? Quarter life crisis. He's 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.920 like he's like, hey, what are you up to? And 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.600 I was like, nothing, I'm doing nothing. You didn't say 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.720 I'm DJ slick. I was just like, I'm gonna DJ 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:32.000 in New York. And he like chuckled and he was like, oh, well, 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.920 you know, it's a good running into you. And then 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.200 I like said goodbye, and as I walked away, I 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:40.560 walked directly into a poll like as hard as I could. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.280 And Zach was just like like we had that like 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.720 movie moment when he was like, are you okay? And 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.960 I was like yeah, man, fine, see you later. Uh so, 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:54.600 but again, uh this is another weird coincidence. Like as 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.240 I was buying the DJ equipment from a Craigslist dude, 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.719 he was like, yeah, you hear dr drugs, drummer quit? 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.560 And I was like so out of it. I was 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.160 just like, oh, cool, whatever, Like I didn't even think 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.720 of it. And then the day after Christmas, I got 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:09.960 a call from Zach and he was like, hey, I 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.920 ran into you. You're not doing anything. Do you want 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.040 to join the band? And I was like just just 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:16.920 straight up in right now, just a straight up like 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.640 you want an audition? Okay. But I've later found out 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.040 that I got to the studio and they didn't. Nobody 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:26.960 else was there. They were really banking on this thing working. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.160 It's great, but I think there was an inherent trust 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.440 because we had built up a friendship over the course 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.280 of like four years. It just all kind of worked. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.240 It all kind of worked, and I mean it was cute. 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.640 You know. It's like they're like learned five songs and 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.000 in the back of my mind, I'm like, I know 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.160 your whole catalog the back, and I'm like, I'll put 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:47.840 some time into it, you know, just yeah, like actuality. 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:49.920 It's like, oh, I know your whole catalog back there. 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:51.920 So we played you know, four or five songs. I 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.480 think we ran through like Alaska. So and uh they're 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.520 like okay, this is good. They're like, can play anything else? 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.280 And I was like, let's run all the records down, 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.360 and they were like real and we went from easy 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.800 beat all the way up until Shame Shame, and we 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.280 we played every record and it was so fun. Yeah 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.280 that might that still might be like my favorite rehearsal 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.000 I've ever been a part of. Bet man. Oh. So 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.440 it was a dream and it felt so natural because 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.920 I already knew the songs. I knew them as people, 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:20.920 I knew they were I knew that they were sweet, 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.560 and there wasn't any of that awkwardness when you're like 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.800 approaching a gig and you're like, man, I doing what 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:31.960 you are? So uh yeah, it was amazing. And then 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.560 of course like yeah, you have that like first thought, 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.720 best thought practice, and then I had to like go through, 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.320 you know, three years of getting to really know everybody 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.400 and really know what the personalities are and how to 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.080 work with them, and like the honeymoon periods over and 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.720 well yeah, I remember after the fourth show we played 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.840 together in Syracus, Toby took a look at me and 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:53.640 he was like, yeah, man, I don't know, I don't 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.040 know it's gonna work. And I was like really, I 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:57.880 was like I thought I'm doing Okay, it's like yeah, 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.920 but you know, like you come from a then provisational 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.640 progressive rock world like and we need everything to be 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.120 like solid. Yeah. I was like, oh, so they really 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.600 I mean, you know, like I appreciate them for giving 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.440 me a chance, but it was hard, and of course 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.080 you know, they had another drummer before I did. And 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.080 then the big secret is that Scott is a monster drummer. 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.200 And Scott plays drums on Shadow People. Uh, he plays 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:28.680 all the drums on We All Belong. Yeah, Scott Um, 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.400 he's a He's a phenomenal drummer in a very like 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.960 Jangkie way. He's very like um, a lot of character 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.080 his drumming. Um, I wouldn't call him like a guy 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.680 with like a lot of technical prowess, but his tone 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:48.400 is really good and his ear for drums is like incredible. Um. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.160 Some of the drums he did on Easy Beat were 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.560 recorded one drum at a time, likely Yeah, like super 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:58.800 cool approach, very kitchen sink approach to recording. So I 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.360 learned a lot from them, and I also had to 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.080 be like respect for the old drummer Justin and Scott 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.520 drumming while also trying to add something different through the conversation. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.040 So when we made be the Void the first record, uh, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:15.800 that was my first record with the band, it was 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.840 sort of like listening back to it, I'm like, oh, yeah, 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.560 you could totally hear me like shaking off the progue. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.800 Really yeah, there's a lot of there's some complicated drumming 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.880 on that record. But like sometimes I'm like, I listened back, 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:32.040 I'm like, was that unnecessarily complicated? You know? It was 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.360 a bit of a mental shift, I guess well, and 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:38.080 you know, talking about payment, like those guys Toby and 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:43.560 Scott in particular, grew up obsessive with payment, obsessive to 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.560 the point where if like I start playing Shady Lane 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:47.240 right now, they'll be like, Okay, let's play all of 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.280 you know. Or I played range Life the other night 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.440 on our bus, and uh then it was like, okay, 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.119 can we go into all can we just play all 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.320 of Wawie's Awe? Like we play or what what that's 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.480 not on whow He's Awe? But you know, um, those 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.880 guys like that's the world they're coming from. And Pavement 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:09.680 had some there's some shared influences like Can and Um, 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.440 like the more crowd rock stuff like when you start 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.880 going back with the Pavement, it's like, oh, there's like Us, 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.760 Maple and all these bands that influenced them, and that 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.000 then I got really into those bands and recognized that 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.360 there was common ground, and so I could be like, oh, 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.800 like Pavement, I could take the things I love about 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:26.800 payment and the things I level about progressive rock and 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.679 like kind of smashing smashing together in a way that 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.520 could be really a different um. But yes, Scott and 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:35.520 Toby are like huge Pavement dudes. Same here man and 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:38.639 I'm in an old man band. Uh. I got in 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:40.760 my first band when I was thirty eight years old, 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.280 and it's just old friends from high school and college 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.280 that we all lived in within two miles of each other. 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:48.320 And it was like, wait a minute, you play guitar 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:49.919 and I play guitar, and saying you played drums, you 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.560 play bass, Like why don't we just get together and 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.359 it's the most fun thing in my life? And we do. 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.520 We do. We only do cover songs. We don't we 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.520 don't have time to write. We've all got kids and 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.800 we're all z but uh, we played like one or 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.720 two shows a year out when a friend calls and says, hey, 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.600 we need some money to do thirty minutes and uh 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.400 my buddy was doing U and he's in a Weezer 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.640 tribute band and he said, hey, we're doing a nineties 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.119 night and we have us and uh, I think that 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:18.840 was like a primus thing. He was like, would you 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:23.920 guys be up for learning like twelve Pavement songs? Oh man, yes, yeah. 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.160 So we did that and we played like our Pavement 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.280 dream set two drummers. Uh no, we didn't have in 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.439 the stand of it. I tried to, and I actually 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.840 have gotten an obob a little bit because of the podcast, 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.080 and so that's kind of like it was one of 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.960 my like big moments in life. I was like, wait 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.760 a minute, you listen to this thing. You gotta get 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.560 Malchimus on here. I and emailed him actually because Bob 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.840 getting his email, and uh, I've never heard back. His 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.800 new record came out today Hard. Yeah, I know it 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:52.959 sounds great. I haven't listened to you. Oh it sounds 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.760 great after I'm a Malchemist for I'm a life right now, 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.399 you know. I just read uh his Uh there's a 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.880 New York Times interview and a uh Washington The Washington 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.719 Post interview is really good and I can relate to 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.120 him in a lot of ways, like we're kind of 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.120 you know, He's like, I feel really awkward. I feel 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.240 like I don't have a good voice, but like, yeah, 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.240 I cracked myself up with my music and like hopefully 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.520 that's enough. You know, he's one of my favorite guitar 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.160 players of all time. YEP, there was a moment at 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.639 the I saw them quite a few times back in 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:23.320 the day, but then I went to the reunion gig 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.600