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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Cranler and Michael.

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Speaker 2: Coffin, and I'm her radio podcast wind Down.

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Speaker 3: What's up, guys? How is everybody?

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Speaker 4: I'm great?

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Speaker 3: Mark Easton, how are you guys?

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Speaker 1: I'm super good. It's my birthday week. I'm feeling great.

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Speaker 4: It is your.

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Speaker 2: Birthday week, which, by the way, Michael was doing some

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Speaker 2: birthday shopping for you yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Wait, when's Easton's birthday?

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Speaker 1: It's July.

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Speaker 5: November sixth.

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Speaker 1: I'm a scorpio.

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Speaker 2: November as my mom's Wait, so Mark, what does that

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Speaker 2: make you then? Because July is that I'm still Gemini.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm a cancer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what are you going to do for your birthday?

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Speaker 1: We were discussing this yesterday. We're not sure yet, we're

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Speaker 1: thinking of I was trying to like, there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a virtual reality arcade at the mall near us, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's really expensive and the way that

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Speaker 1: it is gribe the games doesn't excite me, Like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're on a roller coaster, Like, well, that's not worth

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Speaker 1: fifty dollars for forty minutes.

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Speaker 4: So you can just go to a theme park exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know. I'm looking at maybe I

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Speaker 1: do love video games. I've been trying to figure that out.

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Speaker 1: But I might just you know, take the kids, go

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Speaker 1: see Toy Story four, maybe get some dinner. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's one place in La that I totally

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Speaker 2: forgot to take Mike at a date night. So this

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Speaker 2: could be maybe a good birthday thing if you like

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Speaker 2: this kind of jam. But you basically go to this

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Speaker 2: warehouse and you just break stuff.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at you take a rage room.

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Speaker 3: A rage room that sounds and fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I know it's probably Mike's dream to just like go

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Speaker 2: just crush stuff, But I mean I did it at

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Speaker 2: like this gifting event sweet thing, and I went in

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Speaker 2: there and they gave me a hammer and I just

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Speaker 2: got to destroy wine glasses and plate They're like, do

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Speaker 2: however you want to do it?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to grab the plates and throw them?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to? I mean it was it felt

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Speaker 3: so good.

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Speaker 6: They have like printers and stuff you can break, like

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Speaker 6: you only have a lot of rage towards.

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Speaker 4: They have a coffee machine like the office, so you

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Speaker 4: can just take it out like a office space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right now it would be a roomba because I'm

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Speaker 2: having a hell of a time trying to set up

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Speaker 2: with the roomba. I have been on the phone with

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Speaker 2: the Rumba company trying to figure it out for the

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Speaker 2: past couple hours.

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Speaker 1: Great experience with room, but customer service, if I may so,

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Speaker 1: were they go to.

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Speaker 2: They're a great customer service, but it's still not figured

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Speaker 2: out yet.

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Speaker 3: They're like, we think it's your internet.

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Speaker 4: They have a great customer service because there's always issues

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Speaker 4: that mess up. They have to have a good support

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Speaker 4: staff to help everyone so they don't lose business.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's fun, Mark, Happy birthday.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited for you.

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Speaker 5: I love Yeah, you do.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 1: It's my special day.

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Speaker 4: That's right, it's all we got.

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Speaker 3: I'm having a hard time with my birthday.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing is. I'm fighting that. I know that

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Speaker 1: I should, by this age be hating my birthday, and

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Speaker 1: I don't ever want to.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's a really good outlook to have,

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Speaker 2: but I feel like, guys, it's easier, like you guys

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Speaker 2: look better when you get older.

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Speaker 5: We don't.

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Speaker 4: We look worse in your it is and that's not

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Speaker 4: true for you, but it's not. I see pictures of

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Speaker 4: Jana when she was in her twenties and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: she's cute, but no, it's true, but you're you're smoking now?

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Speaker 2: Thanks, But in ten years it's like, you know, that's

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Speaker 2: when people Then Why do husbands always go for the

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Speaker 2: younger girls when they get older?

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Speaker 3: Mark? Why can you help us with that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think that, I mean we can alway.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I.

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Speaker 1: Think that has to do with men's insecurities and having

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Speaker 1: to feel like they're the They're still young and hot

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Speaker 1: and viril and I think I think it gets into

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Speaker 1: a deeper place there. It's a midlife crisis thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes an ego.

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Speaker 2: And power too, the whole like midlife crisis thing though,

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Speaker 2: is something Have you gone through it yet?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: So is is there an age range that it usually happens?

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Speaker 1: Mathematically? I really should have done it by now, I think,

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Speaker 1: in terms of that midway point, but I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I think it's got to be forties, fifties, it's got

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Speaker 1: to be right in that range.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what are you going to do for your

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Speaker 3: mid libraries is Mike.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm over here talking about motorcycles and stuff,

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Speaker 4: so I might already be in it. I'm in it,

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Speaker 4: and I'm thirty two and we.

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Speaker 2: Still don't have a motorcycle. So but if you really

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Speaker 2: want one, Bab, we can talk about it later.

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Speaker 4: I'm still working on my golf trip.

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Speaker 2: I told you can go. Really yeah, I said, book

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Speaker 2: the tickets. You want to go, go green Light.

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Speaker 4: All you listeners heard it. You guys heard it. So

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Speaker 4: if we get an argument about it and I bring

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Speaker 4: it up, that's.

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Speaker 2: Something you really want to do, I'm not gonna not.

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Speaker 2: If something you really want.

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Speaker 1: To do, what's the objection? There is none, but okay,

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Speaker 1: but there what's the hesitation? There's something.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just there has to be certain boundaries around

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Speaker 2: the trip.

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Speaker 1: So it's not just golf.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, it is. The trip is just golf, but

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Speaker 4: it's you know, because of our history and everything, it's

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Speaker 4: when one of us is traveling or we're not together,

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Speaker 4: you know, things come up for Jana, which I totally understand,

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Speaker 4: and I'm usually always willing to do whatever she needs

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Speaker 4: to feel safe. And when I do leave and she's

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Speaker 2: By the way, the listeners are like, you're so hard

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Speaker 2: on Mike, and Da da da da, I'm like, but

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Speaker 2: there's still certain boundaries that need to be in place

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Speaker 2: for someone's safety, no matter where if they you know,

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Speaker 2: because people people think that we're not in a healthy

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Speaker 2: relationship because we have certain boundaries and stuff. And really, yeah,

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Speaker 2: someone said, they're like they must their relationship. Really isn't

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Speaker 2: that healthy because you know, she's so insecure about this.

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Speaker 2: People have insecurities no matter what. And it's not unlike

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Speaker 2: you can't go anywhere and you can't do this or that,

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Speaker 2: Like that's not it at all. Just you have to

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Speaker 2: have boundaries just in general, whether things happen or they didn't.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's important to have boundaries. But call

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Speaker 2: me crazy, you're crazy.

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Speaker 1: So who are the other guys on this trip? Like,

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Speaker 1: how many?

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Speaker 4: It's it's four of us total.

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Speaker 3: We played Max, Can I go?

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Speaker 4: Do you need another?

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Speaker 1: But are the single guys in this group?

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Speaker 4: No, they're all. They're all Two of them are married

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Speaker 4: with kids, ones engaged. I did the same trip with

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Speaker 4: these guys last year. It's back in Baltimore. It's at

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Speaker 4: the club that they belonged to. It's just a member

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Speaker 4: guest tournament. Two of the guys belonged to the to

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Speaker 4: the club and they take me and my other.

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Speaker 3: Buddy and yeah, and he went last year and I

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Speaker 3: had Yeah, well last year.

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Speaker 4: It was so much fun, had such a good time,

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Speaker 4: and you know, we had no issues.

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Speaker 2: And I think Mike's just being more hesitant because it's

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Speaker 2: like we're back in Nashville, so there's more things that

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Speaker 2: have like come up from me here since we're back

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Speaker 2: in like that space. But I think it's been you know,

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Speaker 2: I have no issues with it. Well found which is nice, right, Yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: I love that, it's awesome. But I don't want people

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Speaker 2: to be like there she goes again, not telling him

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Speaker 2: what he can you cannot do, because I'm like, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I get that axe on me a lot.

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Speaker 2: But that's not the case. You want that go go

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Speaker 2: do it? Do we just have certain boundaries.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, which is all good. Well, I appreciate it. I'll

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Speaker 4: book my flight today.

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Speaker 3: Thank goodness. Do you do you do you think so? Mark?

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Speaker 1: Like, do you think I think it's great? I having

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Speaker 1: heard everything now I'm ready to rule. I think this

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Speaker 1: is fine. I think he is I think he is

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Speaker 1: allowed to go on this trip and boom.

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Speaker 4: Judge jury executioner.

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Speaker 3: Judge jury executioner, not.

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Speaker 2: Its good and my dad's actually coming in that weekend,

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Speaker 2: so you get to miss my dad coming in town.

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Speaker 4: Oh, miss Martin.

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Speaker 2: Well you'll come back on Sunday, right, yeah, yeah, I'll

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Speaker 2: be back Sunday morning. Yes, yes, because last time you

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Speaker 2: didn't roll until like six a night.

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Speaker 4: That's because I had to go from Baltimore to Los Angeles.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm going Baltimore to Nashville. I'm back in no time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually that's the sense, because you gain time going

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Speaker 2: right now if you don't lose time.

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Speaker 4: Right, But I didn't want to take the first flight out.

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Speaker 1: She's in the elevator right now?

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Speaker 2: Very very very pretty, which something came up for me.

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Speaker 4: I mean we can. You're at Jana asked me is because.

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Speaker 4: Like if I didn't know, didn't know, and I was

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Speaker 2: Know, if you really loved her, Like what if you

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Speaker 4: It would be hard. It would be something that you

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Speaker 4: Because we because we started talking. Then you're like, save

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Speaker 3: But you sounded pretty like definitive though I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, would you have to flip it around? How would

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Speaker 2: It marked him do that to me. To me, I

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Speaker 4: You think it's relationship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's different because sometimes I'm like, you

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Speaker 2: know what, if Abby Wombach came to me and was like,

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Speaker 2: if it was Flip, then yes, I wouldn't have a

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Speaker 3: It's just my two sons.

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Speaker 1: Well, Billy's here and she's listening to this conversation.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Billy, thank you so much for being on our show.

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Speaker 2: We so appreciate it because this has definitely been a

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Speaker 3: So thank you, Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 2: And Mark just tried to I asked Michael because we

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Billy, First of all, I loved your website. I

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Speaker 2: But but but to me, the I'm like, but why

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Speaker 2: because you're you know, you're beautiful, You're who who you

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: Billy?

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 6: I I for myself. I'm like, I'm just telling you,

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Speaker 6: Oh wait, no, this is why, and like it creates

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Speaker 5: So a lot of shame just kicked in.

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Speaker 5: He would be like not as affectionate.

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Speaker 6: And that was I kind of slowly became his like secret.

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Speaker 6: He was, you know, like crying and being like I'm

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Speaker 5: It was. It was definitely a roller coaster.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure it was. Man, that's yeah. You know nowadays, Billy,

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Speaker 4: at what point do you I don't want to say disclosed,

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Speaker 6: I know we have this conversation in the community a lot.

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Speaker 5: I do. I am open and.

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Speaker 6: Proud now and you can google me, so it's definitely

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Speaker 5: But I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I personally, for me, I don't want I want to

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Speaker 5: And you feel good.

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Speaker 6: You feel like I'm the woman that I've always wanted

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Speaker 6: The last thing I want to do is is tell

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Speaker 6: not proud of or I'm ashamed of. I mean, who

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Speaker 4: You know, right? Yeah, that totally makes sense. And along

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Speaker 4: those lines, Billy, what have you always solely been attracted

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Speaker 6: it was hard for me when I was a child.

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Speaker 5: When when I got to be a teen, you know.

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Speaker 5: And then that kind of you know.

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Speaker 6: me to break down that barrier, in that wall and

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00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 6: to be vulnerable and open in a relationship. But I'm

444
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 6: still attracted to men. I do date transmen. I am

445
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,919
Speaker 6: in a current I'm in a relationship right now with

446
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 6: a trans man and.

447
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 3: He's making that was who was a female.

448
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 5: Yes right now.

449
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 6: And everything about him, you know, he really embraces his

450
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 6: masculine energy.

451
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 5: He you wouldn't know, I mean, he looks like a man.

452
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Speaker 2: But I love it because I feel like there's more

453
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 2: you're not. You probably don't feel as much shame too, Yeah,

454
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 2: I mean I definitely you guys can relate a little

455
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 2: bit more as opposed to your last relationship where he's

456
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, maybe it makes me feel bad for

457
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 2: being you, and that's not that's not fair.

458
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 5: Exactly.

459
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I mean I still things come up, you know,

460
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,719
Speaker 6: like we went on a little trip recently and he

461
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,959
Speaker 6: took me to Palm Springs after a work trip, and

462
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 6: I'm like tagging him, you know, like yeah, this is

463
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 6: my boo, and he's like not really tagging me and

464
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 6: on social media and I'm like instantly like my Like,

465
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 6: I'm like, is he ashamed of me? Like all of

466
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,199
Speaker 6: these past experiences came up because I did have, like,

467
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 6: you know, a man, especially as this man would love

468
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,919
Speaker 6: me and adore me in the bedroom, but outside he

469
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 6: wouldn't hold my hand or be so proud, especially on

470
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Speaker 6: social media.

471
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Speaker 5: So and he's like, Babe, I'm trance too.

472
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Speaker 2: He's like that happens in all relationships. It was like

473
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Speaker 2: I had a few people that wouldn't hold my hand either,

474
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what's wrong with me?

475
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, But you know it's that comes out.

476
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 2: I know, I do have a question about that, because

477
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 2: Michael and I've had this conversation before, and you know,

478
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Speaker 2: you've even said, Mike, you know, it's a choice or

479
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 2: it's it's a fad some of these kids are doing.

480
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 2: When we talked about the people that watch these shows

481
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Speaker 2: that are now transitioning into what I said, like that

482
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: like it's a choice to be gay or transgender, or

483
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: that you're not like born with it.

484
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 4: No, I'm not. I've never said that. I was saying

485
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 4: that with the whole with what society is doing on

486
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 4: you know, almost over diverting their children, whether male or female,

487
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 4: to the opposite ways of Oh your girls don't have

488
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 4: to play with barbies, they should, they can play with

489
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 4: this too. It's you know, and every show having you

490
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 4: know someone of a you know, different sex or whatever,

491
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 4: it's I just feel like it's kind of how do

492
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Speaker 4: kids even know what the what's the word I'm looking for?

493
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Speaker 3: You know, like who they are? How do you know too?

494
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Speaker 2: For the people that may think it's a choice maybe

495
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 2: you know, or that it's a fat or they want

496
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: to be cool, they want to fit in, Like what

497
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 2: are your what are your thoughts on that?

498
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: When't it comes.

499
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Speaker 6: To I mean to say, you know, being we're growing

500
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 6: up and being born as a boy physically, we're we

501
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 6: are influenced and almost brainwashed to like the color blue,

502
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 6: to like dumb trucks, to like g joes, So as

503
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 6: much as like people are influenced to be non binary. Now,

504
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 6: the thing is, I think gender is on a spectrum.

505
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 6: I don't think that you have to be a girl,

506
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 6: and you have to like pink and you have to

507
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 6: like boys. And I don't think you have to be

508
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 6: a boy that likes blue and it's attracted to girls.

509
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 5: I think it's a spectrum.

510
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 6: And I think the more that we show that, like

511
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 6: I have a T shirt and I wear it on

512
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 6: vander Pump, raise boys and girls the same way.

513
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 5: Let them decide what they like. Why do we have

514
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Speaker 5: to like?

515
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 6: I remember when I was younger, the first time I

516
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 6: ever really knew that I was different and that I

517
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 6: felt wrong was when I want an Easter egg hunt

518
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,479
Speaker 6: and I was so excited because I was looking at

519
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 6: this pink tent. It was a pink tin full of

520
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 6: like Barbie dolls and pink girls stuff, and there was

521
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 6: this pink bike that I really wanted. And I won

522
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 6: the big prize and my dad passed the pink tent

523
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 6: straight to the the boy tent and I had to

524
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 6: pick some dumb truck or something, and I was so

525
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 6: disappointed and I was crying. But it was in that

526
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 6: moment that I realized, I'm being forced to like something

527
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 6: I don't like, and I'm.

528
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 5: Ashamed of it.

529
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 6: And I knew in that moment that I was different

530
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 6: so I have to say, like, you know, not everyone

531
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 6: should be like I when I have kids. I don't

532
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 6: think that they need to be wearing pink or blue

533
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 6: depending on their sacks. And I definitely, you know, it's

534
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 6: up to them. It's up to them to decide who

535
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 6: they are and what they're feeling. A lot of people,

536
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 6: you know it, We're all energy at the end of

537
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 6: the day, and there's days where I feel like embracing

538
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 6: my maskul the energy, and I might not want to

539
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 6: wear like makeup or be you know, last night I

540
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 6: went out and I was very I wore like this

541
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 6: body suit and I'm very cur be now, and but

542
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 6: everyone was very attracted and like very sexual to me,

543
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 6: and I'm like, oh, I don't really know if I

544
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 6: like this energy. There are times where I want to

545
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 6: embrace my mask and energy and even dressed down and

546
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 6: not feel so like open to people hitting on me

547
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 6: and stuff. So I definitely have to like agree and disagree.

548
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: No, it totally makes sense, and to dive into that,

549
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 4: like you said, said, you know you want kids eventually,

550
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 4: which is gonna be one of my questions. But when

551
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: it comes to that, I guess what I struggle with

552
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 4: with kids. You know, we have two young kids. Our daughter,

553
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 4: Jolie's three and a half. I mean, she is on

554
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 4: her own, full blown. She loves Unicorn, she loves dresses,

555
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 4: she loves everything.

556
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 3: She loves playing soccer.

557
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, but she also loves playing soccer and sports and

558
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 4: everything like that.

559
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 3: So very like time sports.

560
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 4: Yes, but she you know, she is everything as society

561
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 4: would categorized as female or little girl, and that's her choice.

562
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 4: But until they get to that age, it's I guess,

563
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 4: you know, for people that are maybe sensitive to it,

564
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 4: like how do you dress your kids when they're infants,

565
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 4: if it's a boy or girl? If you know, Like

566
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 4: I'm almost with our son because of society being oversensitive

567
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 4: in some ways, I'm like, yeah, as do I need

568
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 4: to feel bad for putting my son in a blue.

569
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: Onesie or giving him truck toys? Yeah, or instead of

570
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: a barbie?

571
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 4: Right, So it's I don't I don't know. I guess

572
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 4: that's you know who has the answer to that. You know,

573
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 4: is it wrong with me to give my son a

574
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 4: barbie instead of a truck when he's one years old?

575
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know what I mean? So it's

576
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 4: it's tough.

577
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: Because we were having that conversation. Actually this morning Mike.

578
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 2: Mike said, hey, we should get Jolly one of those.

579
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 3: Outdoor shops, hard work shops.

580
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: I was like no, and Michael goes. He goes, oh,

581
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 2: come on, it'd be cute. And I was like, all right,

582
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: then we'll get Jason Barbie's how about that? And he's

583
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: like no, same. You know, I'm like, you don't want

584
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: him playing with Barbies and I don't want to playing

585
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: with you know, the the truck or toy stuff.

586
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 4: Again, it's about the influence. It's like if he gets

587
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 4: older and he's Jolly's age and he says he wants

588
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 4: that Barbie, all right, fine, I'm not gonna say no,

589
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: you can't have that when he's joys it. I honestly wouldn't.

590
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 3: You wouldn't.

591
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 4: No, I honestly wouldn't. If he points to that and

592
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 4: says I want that doll.

593
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: We have this recorded.

594
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, And.

595
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: Of course if Jolie wanted to, I mean, she does

596
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: play more with those kind of things, like she loves cars.

597
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: I would never take her cars away from her, like

598
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: she loves those cars.

599
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: Right.

600
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 5: So, and let me tell you something.

601
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 6: If your son's attracted to feminine things. You'll know, like

602
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, I'm sure you could

603
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 6: put fifty dumb trucks in front of me when I

604
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 6: was a kid, but I would go and find that

605
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 6: one Barbie doll and I would be like so excited

606
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 6: about that one Barbie doll.

607
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 5: So you'll know, and you'll know.

608
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna send you videos and be like, Billy, what

609
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: is this show me?

610
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 6: And when it happens, like you know, just have that

611
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 6: moment of like, you know, embracing that moment and doesn't

612
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 6: mean like just because your child is, you know, having

613
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 6: fun with barbies, that they're going to grow up to

614
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 6: be gay or trans like you know, And it's so.

615
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: Is there too much? Is there so much? I know,

616
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 2: because there is so much influence. There are so many

617
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 2: which I think are great. I know, Michael's like, oh God,

618
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: here's another lesbian couple kissing or another you know, like

619
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: when the gay people the gay people, Jesus, the gay

620
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: storylines on all the TV shows.

621
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 4: Oh, it's just every show has to have it.

622
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: Now.

623
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I don't think that's a bad But every

624
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 6: show had cis heterosexual couples all the time. Yeah, you

625
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 6: know that that was here's the thing. The norm is changing.

626
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 6: And I said this with Victoria's Secrets. If you're not

627
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 6: going to get on the board, if you're not going

628
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 6: to get on the bandwagon of that the norm is changing,

629
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 6: then you're going to go under. And what happens We

630
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 6: see Victoria's Secrets losing sales left and right, and that's

631
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 6: just how it is. Every brand it needs to wake

632
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 6: up and you know, and this goes with you. I

633
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 6: you have to understand that the norm is changing. We

634
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 6: it's not nineteen fifty.

635
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: But here's the question, though, is there is that too

636
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: much influence to confuse the kids to be like what

637
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: am I?

638
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: Who am I? Who am I supposed to be?

639
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: Is that?

640
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: Is there too much stuff?

641
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 4: Like?

642
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 6: Oh, I think we all into that question at some

643
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 6: point in our life. You know, life is confusing period.

644
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 6: I mean, look who our president is no offense to

645
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 6: anyone who, but I mean, like, what are kids thinking now? Like, wow,

646
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 6: this dip is running our country?

647
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 5: Like that's closing.

648
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 6: So at the end of the day, we're all going

649
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,239
Speaker 6: to question things. But I think it's holding space and

650
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 6: allowing them to be open and open minded and not

651
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 6: have team to like fit in a box. It's like,

652
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 6: the last thing you want is your kid to be

653
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 6: like I'm questioning this and questioning that. Oh but we

654
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 6: only have one.

655
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 5: Box for you, sweetie. So here you go.

656
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 6: Like, that's not how you want to do it, you know,

657
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 6: give them multiple boxes, Chuck.

658
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 5: If they are questioning things.

659
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: They say that transgender identity is on the rise among teenagers,

660
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: and then some people say, oh, because it's trendy, or

661
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: oh they just want to be popular or whatever. But

662
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Speaker 1: I think it's really it's just they see now they're

663
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Speaker 1: seeing role models that they never saw before, and now

664
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Speaker 1: they rapiers answer, wow, I'm that. That's that's the real me,

665
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: and I can express myself that way where they never

666
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Speaker 1: could have done that before.

667
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Speaker 5: Exactly.

668
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

669
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Speaker 6: Even my my boyfriend, he calls himself a baby trans

670
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Speaker 6: because he is thirty four, but he only transitioned two

671
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 6: years ago.

672
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Speaker 5: I transitioned thirteen years ago. But he didn't have which

673
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 5: was it.

674
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he didn't have as many people to you be like, wow,

675
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 6: I can relate to that.

676
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 4: You know.

677
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 6: Even in my small town in Indiana, I had no

678
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 6: person of color around me, and I only had Oprah

679
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 6: Winfrey to look at. I'm on the TV and be like, Wow,

680
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 6: I'm so attracted to this person of color because there

681
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 6: was all white people around me and now like most

682
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 6: of my boyfriends are of color.

683
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 5: It's like, I love the brown boys.

684
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Speaker 4: I have a question, Billy, when transitioning. You know, there's

685
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 4: a scenario I brought up on our podcast an episode

686
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: or two ago about someone that was helping me at

687
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 4: I was at home depot getting something at home depot

688
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: and the person's name was Sarah and it was very

689
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: apparent that they were transitioning or you know, was a

690
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: was a male or is a male and transitioning into

691
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Speaker 4: a female. You know, I just caught myself because I

692
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 4: wanted to be respectful of that person. And so I've

693
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 4: just been wrapping my brain and I would love to

694
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Speaker 4: hear your input on this on what as a trans

695
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 4: gender yourself and who's someone who transitioned? What is respectful

696
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 4: for you? For you or someone like you? And you

697
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 4: know when so yeah, I don't know just what is respectful?

698
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Speaker 3: Do you say? Because Michael is a very yes ma'am, yes, sir,

699
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: so that's kind.

700
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: Of his his What are those called I think you're well,

701
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: you're saying or.

702
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 6: Pronouns yeahah, yeah. I mean even whenever, to be honest,

703
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 6: whenever I'm on the phone with like you know, Time

704
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 6: or on a cable or timob or whatever and they're like, sir,

705
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 6: I'm like, excuse me, it's twenty nineteen. Do we have

706
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 6: to use a pronoun right now?

707
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: Like, oh, so you're saying take the pronouns out.

708
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I honestly sometimes that does annoy me. But here's

709
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 6: the thing, Like, if you notice me see that they're

710
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 6: identifying as female, then you are more than welcome to

711
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 6: just say that, like man.

712
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: But what if it's just a gay man who's more flamboyant.

713
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Speaker 6: Well if he's and it's not transitioning to a man

714
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 6: and he's identifying as a man, but he's gay.

715
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: But he has like lipstick on, And yeah, I.

716
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 5: Mean you could be open. You can.

717
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 6: Honestly, your safest bet is saying they are them, Like

718
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Speaker 6: you can consider them non binary and let's say, okay, wait,

719
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 6: wait they're not male, or if they're not female, then

720
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 6: they might be in the middle, they might be non binary.

721
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 6: So I'm going to just consider them they are them.

722
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 6: And that's a hard one for me too. I mean,

723
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 6: I have friends in the community who are non binary,

724
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 6: and you know, saying they and them versus she or

725
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 6: her or him like it's it is a little bit

726
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 6: more challenging, but at the end of the day, like

727
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 6: if you really want to be respectful and you want

728
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 6: to make people feel safe and feel good, then you

729
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 6: want to try to go the extra mile and just

730
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 6: I always my safe bet.

731
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Speaker 5: If I don't know and I'm questioning it, is they

732
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Speaker 5: and them right for sure?

733
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Speaker 3: And then just drop the mammor sir?

734
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Speaker 4: It would it be rude of me? Like, say, I

735
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 4: go to that situation and I asked the person, you know,

736
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: her name was Sarah or his name was Sarah, what

737
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 4: wherever they were in their transition? I said, Hey, Sarah,

738
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Speaker 4: you know, what would you like me to call you?

739
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Speaker 4: Is that crossing the line? Like in a public scenario,

740
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Speaker 4: should I just say thank you Sarah? Like just use

741
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 4: their name instead of because their name tag on it?

742
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 4: Said Sarah. So I don't want to make it more

743
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Speaker 4: complicated than I have to, yeah, said like I'm from

744
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: the South. I say, yes, ma, and yes sir. It's

745
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 4: just a term of respect, whether you're five or fifty,

746
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Speaker 4: Like I just I use that. So I guess that's

747
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Speaker 4: I just got to change my way.

748
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you just say you're from the South,

749
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Speaker 2: You're from Virginia.

750
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually south. Really Virginia south of the Mason

751
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Speaker 4: Dixon line is the South.

752
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: Wow, sir?

753
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Speaker 6: Okay, Well, first of all, Sarah, I would immediately just

754
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 6: think female.

755
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Speaker 3: So I have a very good guy friend that name

756
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Speaker 3: as state.

757
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Speaker 6: If you ever question it, say what is say? I

758
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 6: would love to know your preferred pronoun.

759
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Speaker 5: And here's the thing.

760
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Speaker 6: Here's the thing if anyone trans ever, if you're really

761
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 6: coming from a place of love and you're just of understanding,

762
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 6: you really want to respect the person, and the person

763
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 6: is rude to you, it's because they're coming from an

764
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 6: insecure place. Like you have to understand what it's like

765
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 6: to be trans in America, Like our community is suffering

766
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 6: in so many ways. We're told no in so many ways,

767
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 6: we can't get jobs, and so when we do get

768
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 6: a job, we deal with a lot of discrimination. So

769
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Speaker 6: you could be walking up and just trying to be

770
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 6: respectful and nice, but immediately I've had people, you know,

771
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 6: especially early on with my first when I first transitioned,

772
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 6: I would immediately be annoyed and like upset or ashamed

773
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 6: and embarrassed in some type of way, and I would

774
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 6: project that onto you, and here you are just trying

775
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 6: to be nice and respectful. So when I say holding space,

776
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 6: I mean like just knowing that this person, you know,

777
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 6: they're part of a community that is really suffering right now,

778
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 6: and don't take a personal one someone's upset with you.

779
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 6: And I always try to tell my trans people, especially

780
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 6: when I'm doing speaking engagements and stuff, allow ignorance, especially

781
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 6: if it's not coming in in a hateful way, and

782
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 6: it's not coming in a transphobic way. Allow ignorance. Hold

783
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 6: space for that ignorance so we can educate this people,

784
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 6: so then you can feel good about communicating with them.

785
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 6: And you know, even when I say hire, our unemployment

786
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 6: rates three times higher than the general population. Trans people

787
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 6: need jobs. I tell people who can hire out there, like,

788
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 6: please hire a transperson. And if you're feeling a little

789
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 6: uncomfortable and you don't know the pronouns, ask you have

790
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 6: that period in life. Even dating right now, me there's

791
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 6: times where I feel uncomfortable with my boyfriend. Things are new,

792
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 6: but you have to like navigate that and then things

793
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 6: become smoother and you're changing people's lives and you're helping

794
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 6: an entire community just by employing them and also you know,

795
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 6: trying to have their pronouns correct.

796
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Speaker 3: I love that. That's all.

797
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Speaker 2: Like yes, I'm like, amens, Can you talk about your

798
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: anti bullying campaign too?

799
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

800
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Speaker 6: I mean, well, you know, coming from a really small

801
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 6: town in Indiana, I was bullied a lot. I was

802
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 6: bullied so bad that I miss missed a two or

803
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 6: three years of grade school.

804
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Speaker 5: So I'm a really bad speller.

805
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Speaker 6: But I when I decided to team up with Regenix, like,

806
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 6: first of all, I was researching and found I was

807
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 6: looking for some kind of hair product that would like

808
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 6: help my damaged hair. And my mom has thinning hair,

809
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 6: and I was starting to have thinning hair because I

810
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 6: was bleaching in all the time. And I came across

811
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 6: Regenics and I just fell in love with the company.

812
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 6: And then we just decided to team up. And I said, look,

813
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 6: if I'm going to do this beauty campaign, I really

814
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 6: want to tie in something that's going to be good

815
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 6: for my community. And they're like, we're down, and I

816
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 6: talked about my being bullied, and they said, let's do

817
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 6: an anti bullying campaign. It just like, was this beautiful

818
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 6: moment that we had, and now we have this amazing

819
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 6: campaign and a percentage goes to Equality California. I'm on

820
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 6: the board of Equality California, So in Equality California works

821
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 6: actually for the entire United States. They're constantly trying to

822
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 6: help protect our rights. They're also in the school systems

823
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Speaker 6: and making sure that teachers and principals are using the

824
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 6: correct pronouns and the kids have a safe place to

825
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 6: go to the restroom. Because when I was little, I

826
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 6: would I was terrified at the restroom, and then I

827
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 6: was also forced to go with you know, being the

828
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Speaker 6: boy's soccer team. I was forced to go to the

829
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 6: boy's locker room and those boys are the ones that

830
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 6: were bullying me so bad. And I couldn't go to

831
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 6: the girls pizza night or do the girl's soccer team.

832
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 5: It was really, you know, challenging for me.

833
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 6: So I just love that Regenni says like, you know what,

834
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 6: we are willing to have a transperson be the face

835
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 6: of our beauty campaign and also we will give a

836
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 6: percentage back to your community.

837
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Speaker 3: How big is the community?

838
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, let me pull out my numbers really fast.

839
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: Well, didn't they say, it's like, uh, is it ten

840
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: percent of the population? Am I wrong on that?

841
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 5: No, it's growing fast.

842
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, the thing is like, like he

843
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 6: was just saying, with people are seeing that it's okay

844
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 6: to come out, it's okay to be open. And I

845
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 6: think at the same time as like the government's trying

846
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 6: to take our rights away, we have Hollywood stepping up

847
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 6: and like you say, you see it on TV all

848
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 6: the time. Now, Hollywood is playing a huge role. They're

849
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 6: like showing what's really happening. I mean Pose last night.

850
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Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys watched Pose, but the

851
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 6: show is epic and last night one of my good

852
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 6: friends heard character. I don't want to be to a

853
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 6: spoiler alert, but yeah, you have to watch it. It was

854
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 6: really intense. But it's the truth. What's going on with

855
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 6: trans people? I mean, especially black trans women. They're being

856
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 6: murdered left and right.

857
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: But what is your biggest fear for your community?

858
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 6: To be honest, my my my best friends, like my

859
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 6: closest friends are trans women of color and black trans women,

860
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 6: and I'm so fearful that something could happen to them

861
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 6: because we lose black trans women almost every day, like

862
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 6: there's constantly something happening that either they're being beaten up

863
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 6: or they're being murdered. And that's probably my biggest fear

864
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 6: because the love of my lives are trans people of color,

865
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 6: so I'm always speaking up for them. You know, I

866
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 6: see the white privilege. I see it because I grew

867
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 6: up in an all white town and I've seen what

868
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 6: my privilege just transitioning. When I before I transitioned, I

869
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 6: couldn't get a job. I had to do sex work.

870
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Speaker 6: And then I had all these surgeries and because I'm white,

871
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 6: red carpet rolled out for me and I had all

872
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 6: these opportunities. And I witnessed that, and I think, wow,

873
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 6: if I have all these opportunities, I need to make

874
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 6: sure that every person in my community has the same,

875
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 6: no matter what color they are.

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Speaker 5: So I definitely absolutely yeah.

877
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Speaker 4: Do you live Do you live with any fears? Nowadays?

878
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Speaker 4: I mean, you're out, you're open, you're you're proud of

879
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Speaker 4: who you are and what you're doing. But do you

880
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 4: still have any fears personally?

881
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 6: You know? I I my biggest fear is is disappointing

882
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 6: my community because I do come with privilege. Because I

883
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 6: do blend in with society, and I don't like to

884
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 6: use the word passing, but you know.

885
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: But you're using your voice though, you know.

886
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I really do.

887
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 6: I try, and you know, every everything that I attach

888
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 6: myself to, even with regen X, like I want to

889
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 6: use the power of even if it's a beauty campaign,

890
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 6: to make sure that we're speaking for my community and

891
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 6: that we're raising money for my community. But yeah, I

892
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 6: mean I think, you know, as an activist, I'm I'm

893
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 6: always like afraid that I'm disappointing in some way and

894
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 6: I'm not doing enough because there is so much suffering.

895
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 6: And that's the thing is, like I'm working on a

896
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Speaker 6: new TV show right now.

897
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 4: What is it?

898
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 3: Can you say it?

899
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Speaker 5: I can't say, but it's really exciting, but.

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Speaker 3: We can we have you back on when it launches.

901
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, but my new but my research for this

902
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 6: new show is hate crimes and the things that we

903
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 6: deal with with in the trans community. So my producing

904
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 6: partners are always emailing me like, oh, this is happening,

905
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 6: this is happening.

906
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 5: So it's almost like my.

907
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 6: Job is to see all the negative and that sometimes

908
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 6: can be really really daunting, and I can find myself

909
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 6: like in a black hole of like, oh my god,

910
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 6: there's no end to this, like just forget it, you know.

911
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 6: But it's things like Regenics and like these campaigns that

912
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 6: I'm tied to that really give me hope and that

913
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 6: are like, oh, there's a light at the end of

914
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 6: the tunnel, Like I'm the face of this beauty campaign

915
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 6: and they want to give back and not to mention

916
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 6: like their product is actually really really good and it's

917
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 6: like saved my hair. So it's just like those kind

918
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 6: of things like give me hope and and.

919
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Speaker 2: And if Victoria's Secret calls you up and says, hey,

920
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Speaker 2: let's do it, would you do it?

921
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Speaker 6: I would say how many black trans women did you call?

922
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 6: To be honest, like even you know any I had

923
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Speaker 6: a meeting with WE Entertainment recently and just a general meeting,

924
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Speaker 6: but my first question was, what if your majority of

925
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Speaker 6: your audiences is a black woman, do you have a

926
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Speaker 6: black trans woman representing your network? And they said we're

927
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 6: working on it. I said, okay, all right.

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Speaker 2: Great, and you're like, and then I won't do anything

929
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Speaker 2: until it's yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, at the end of the day, look if

931
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Speaker 6: if that's their audience, I know some black trans women

932
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Speaker 6: that would be amazing on we network and that would

933
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Speaker 6: represent and you would you know my girlfriend Amazon Ashley,

934
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Speaker 6: She's amazing, Like I can't stop watching her, and I

935
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Speaker 6: was like, you need to have her on your network.

936
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Speaker 6: But I'm always, I'm always speaking up for the people

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Speaker 6: that don't have a voice.

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Speaker 2: Well, Billy, we cannot thank you enough for coming on

939
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Speaker 2: and shedding light on this and talking about your journey

940
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: and being open. So thank you so much for coming

941
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Speaker 2: on to do that. We greatly appreciate it.

942
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you Billy so much. Everything you're doing is amazing.

943
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Speaker 4: You're beautiful, Your work is beautiful, and we really appreciate

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Speaker 4: your time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Hey, thank you for allowing a transperson to come on

947
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Speaker 6: and share their voice and I love it.

948
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Speaker 5: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Both for that.

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Speaker 3: Where can our listeners find you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can go.

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Speaker 6: Well, my hair campaign is re Jennashir dot com and

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Speaker 6: you can find me it's me Billy Leeve for all

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Speaker 6: my website.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. Thank you so much, Billy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah bye, and I'm the same.

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Speaker 4: I thought she was great, Billy was fantastic. I think

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Speaker 4: everything she's doing is phenomenal, and you know more of

999
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Speaker 4: these conversations need to be had. And you know, I

1000
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Speaker 4: appreciate what she said about just the norm needs to change.

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Speaker 2: And is that even for your TV shows? Because the

1002
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Speaker 2: amount of times to watch a Shonda Rhimes show and

1003
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Speaker 2: you're like, of course they're making out it.

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Speaker 4: Just from my experience, it just seems like they're overdoing.

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Speaker 4: I don't care if every show has that, but it

1006
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Speaker 4: just seems to me from my observation that when it

1007
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Speaker 4: comes to the homosexual scenes, it's more intense and sexual

1008
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Speaker 4: and everything, and then the heterosexual I don't think there

1009
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Speaker 4: are as many. Maybe that's just my perspective or maybe

1010
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Speaker 4: the others stand out to me, but I don't have

1011
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 4: an issue with it. Again, I just think it's it

1012
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 4: just goes hand in hand with the whole educating young

1013
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 4: children and what's the norm. And I just don't want

1014
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Speaker 4: to oversteer things where then it confuses them.

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Speaker 2: That's the only thing that gets that I'm not worried about.

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Speaker 2: But I just I want I don't want to steer

1017
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Speaker 2: one way or the other. But I also don't want

1018
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: them to be like, I don't know what I'm like, right,

1019
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't.

1020
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Speaker 4: Want them to have an identity crisis if they don't

1021
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 4: have to at six, right at a young age.

1022
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Speaker 2: Mark, do you have any thoughts around that since you've

1023
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: got kids too, Yeah.

1024
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Speaker 1: I have tried to be sensitive to that, and I

1025
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Speaker 1: have a sister who is married to a woman, and

1026
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: so they're very sensitive to that with their kids. But

1027
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Speaker 1: it's been funny how they kept everything neutral from the beginning.

1028
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: But now my niece Audrey is way into princesses, way

1029
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: into barbies, and that was her choice, you know. They

1030
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Speaker 1: kept it neutral until she could make her own decisions,

1031
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: and now she has and that's the direction she's gone in.

1032
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I've tried to keep it really open, and

1033
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Speaker 1: I really i'd like to think I'd be okay with

1034
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Speaker 1: whatever they chose, but they're both they're both just the

1035
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Speaker 1: girliest girls you can imagine.

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Speaker 4: Right, It's just it's just hard. It's just another thing

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Speaker 4: that I think. It's just it's so hard. I don't

1038
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Speaker 4: want to make parenting more complicated than it already is. Yeah,

1039
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 4: you know, it's our choice that and everyone is different

1040
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 4: and entitled to how they want to raise their kids.

1041
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 4: They're in toired their opinions. It's our choice that we're

1042
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Speaker 4: we are raising Jolie as a girl by society's girls

1043
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Speaker 4: girls standards, I guess, and Jay says a boy. Now again,

1044
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Speaker 4: if Jolie was at at Target or toy store and

1045
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Speaker 4: picked out something from a non girl aisle, we wouldn't

1046
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Speaker 4: really have We wouldn't have a problem buying it for

1047
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Speaker 4: her if she wanted it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, and she is more like I

1049
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: said earlier time, where like she'd rather when when there's

1050
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Speaker 2: boys and girls over, she plays more with the boys

1051
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Speaker 2: and like the swords, and oh yeah, that's her thing.

1052
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, all right, she's just more of a

1053
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Speaker 2: like topoy to do.

1054
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Speaker 1: Whatever they want. It doesn't mean anything. We try to

1055
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Speaker 1: put all these meanings into everything, and oh my gosh,

1056
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Speaker 1: what if she's gay, what if she transcend? And now

1057
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Speaker 1: she just likes playing with these guys like it's right,

1058
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Speaker 1: she likes swords.

1059
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Speaker 4: Whatever they are, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: I remember when my sister was pregnant, I said to her,

1061
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: do you know this the gender yet? And she said,

1062
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Speaker 1: sex is the physical characteristics. Gender is what they identify as.

1063
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Speaker 1: So nobody do not know the sex yet. And I'm like, look,

1064
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Speaker 1: I was just trying to avoid the words. My young daughters.

1065
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Speaker 1: I was just trying to take the sex out of it.

1066
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Speaker 2: But see that's where I feel like it goes a

1067
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: little all right now they're like, the baby technically is

1068
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Speaker 2: a male, the baby technically is a female.

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Speaker 4: Like I talked about and got ripped on a little bit.

1070
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you got slaughterized for that one.

1071
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Speaker 4: I don't care.

1072
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Speaker 1: We're all learning though, it's all it's all a process.

1073
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Speaker 3: Well that's what kind of like Billy said too.

1074
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: Like you know, for the community, it's like, hey, we

1075
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: are ignorant, we don't know, we're trying to learn. We're

1076
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: all just trying to catch up and try to understand

1077
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: something that we don't understand. It's like you're talking to

1078
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Speaker 2: me about the home depot stuff. I'm like, that is like,

1079
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: have some like patience with my ignorance. I have no

1080
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: idea what that freaking tool is.

1081
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know about it.

1082
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 4: It just it just comes back to the whole thing

1083
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 4: of a biological male or female. When they're born, they

1084
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 4: are one or the other. We don't know. They don't know,

1085
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 4: So it's unfair for us to say, hey, we don't

1086
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 4: know what you are even though you're born. This you

1087
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 4: got to figure it out. You're on your own. As

1088
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 4: soon as they come out of the boom. You're on

1089
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 4: your own, kid figure out what you are. I don't know,

1090
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 4: so anyways, Yeah, I'll get some more for that.

1091
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Speaker 3: Do we have any emails?

1092
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: We have some really good ones. Actually, we do have

1093
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: some good rob Yeah. My husband and I have been

1094
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: together for nine years. We have two kids. I've been

1095
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: feeling weird about our relationship, but my husband continues to

1096
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: tell me we're good. The other night I had another

1097
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: episode of is my husband cheating them? Because I swear

1098
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: I saw a picture on his phone of a girl

1099
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: and lingerine the text.

1100
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 4: Oh.

1101
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: I didn't ask him about it, just about who he

1102
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: was texting. He said, no, it's a group shot with

1103
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: the baseball buddies. Do I go through his phone when

1104
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: I get the opportunity? Have you all ever? Snooped?

1105
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely. If you have any concerns, well, here's the

1106
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: thing I wouldn't say. I would say, hey, can I

1107
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: please look at your phone? I'm right now? Yes, that

1108
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: was that was what I would do. I would say,

1109
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: may I look at your phone right now? I'm having

1110
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: some insecurities and I just want to feel safe, and

1111
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 2: that husband. If the husband says, absolutely, babe, here's my phone,

1112
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: then he's not doing anything wrong. But if the husband's like, no,

1113
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: why let me see your phone, Yeah, he's uncheating on

1114
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: you because.

1115
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 4: I know nothing what that is, Like, I've never said

1116
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 4: that to you. Well, let me see.

1117
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: I'm the I was the worst, so one hundred percent.

1118
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: But I don't think you should snoop. I think you

1119
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: should just say let me see your phone right now?

1120
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 2: Or may I please see your phone because I'm having

1121
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: anxiety and I need to feel safe about something that

1122
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 2: I saw, Or here's an I fan. Can you show

1123
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: me this text thread to like ask for permission to

1124
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: show like he can hold the phone, but let me

1125
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: see it, like let's sit through it together.

1126
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't snoop, because then that just.

1127
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 3: Creates heighty for you. And I said, it just gives

1128
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: you so much better.

1129
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 4: In the worst case scenario, there is if you snoop

1130
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 4: Robin and then your fears aren't validated so there isn't

1131
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 4: anything wrong or inappropriate or he's not cheating or anything,

1132
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 4: and then he finds out you snooped or you tell

1133
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 4: me snoop, then it's he's losing trust in you. Then

1134
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 4: it's like any kind of lack of trust you had

1135
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 4: in him, he now loses in you because like what,

1136
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 4: like why didn't you just come to me? What the hell? Yeah?

1137
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 3: Please em?

1138
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: I mean, Janet can even attest to that now, where

1139
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 4: she's like, hey, I needed your phone, like you just

1140
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: asked the other day. I didn't even ask why you

1141
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 4: need it for. I don't even know what.

1142
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: Oh I needed to set up the room, right, and

1143
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: I was just like, yeah, so it's in the kitchen

1144
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: or something.

1145
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 4: And I will say, what a relieving feeling that is

1146
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 4: not only for jam but for me, like living, like

1147
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 4: not having that fear anymore.

1148
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: Some personal questions for Mike, Kylie wants to know why

1149
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: you don't have social media. Is it because of all

1150
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: the temptation and easy access? Is it because it's a

1151
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: trigger for Jannet? Or do you just not care for it?

1152
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: Good questions, Kylie, Great questions.

1153
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 4: It's a little of all the above, but mostly for me,

1154
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 4: like I don't necessarily like it. Even when I had it,

1155
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 4: I wasn't. I only had to. I've never had Instagram.

1156
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: I've never activated an Instagram account or anything.

1157
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 5: Really never.

1158
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 4: I told you that recently.

1159
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 3: You never even had, because that's still just like mind blowing.

1160
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 4: Because everybody has it. It's the thing to do. No,

1161
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 4: it's because when like you know, even when we started dating,

1162
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 4: I only had Twitter, and Twitter was a thing, and

1163
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 4: so when I was my football, I was just Twitter.

1164
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 4: So I don't know, and then Facebook is just you know,

1165
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 4: over and done with with our generation pretty much. But

1166
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 4: know it started off as a boundary for Jana and

1167
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 4: myself just too. Yeah, because I would you know, even

1168
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 4: before Janna, I interact with people via social media connect

1169
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 4: with people via social media. So it's just a boundary

1170
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 4: that we took out. But I've never I haven't had

1171
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 4: one bit of interest in having it again. I don't

1172
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 4: need to. I mean, Jana's Jana's social media is our page,

1173
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 4: it's our life, it's everything. I'm not the kind of

1174
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 4: guy that's going to be taking a selfie video. Hey

1175
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 4: what's up with your boy Mike? This is what I'm

1176
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 4: doing today. Like everyone I knows me know that wouldn't

1177
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 4: would understand that that is not often it it's your.

1178
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 3: Boy, mic, So you wouldn't not You wouldn't post anything.

1179
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 4: I wouldn't put Yeah, I wouldn't post anything. It'd be

1180
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 4: oversaturation because Jenna. Nobody's safe around Jana because everything is posted.

1181
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's a little bit of everything. It

1182
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 4: started out as a boundary, but really now it's just

1183
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 4: I don't care. I don't need it.

1184
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, I have all that stuff, and

1185
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: I feel so stupid every time I post anything, right,

1186
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: like what people don't care? Why do they care? I

1187
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: just retweet jac He says, I noticed Mike has an

1188
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: increasing amount of tattoos on his arm, and I assume

1189
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: he might be working on a full sleeve. My husband

1190
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: came home a month ago and told me he's getting

1191
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: a sleeve. I don't mind a couple tattoos, but I'm

1192
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: not attracted to full body tattoos. I'm trying to be

1193
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: a supportive wife, but I'm having a hard time accepting

1194
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: this decision about tattooing his whole arm. How should I

1195
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: handle this?

1196
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: You know, we had a tough time with that because

1197
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: I loved I love Mike's arms, I love the clean

1198
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: I just says he has very sexy arms in my opinion,

1199
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: and I I sometimes you know, we we went back

1200
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: and forth on that. I was like, I kind of

1201
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: want to I'll miss that, but it was his decision

1202
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: at the end of the day.

1203
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 3: And I said, whatever makes you happy, whatever you want

1204
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 3: to do.

1205
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 2: And you know, he is transitioning his sleeve, he's making

1206
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: he's he's doing a full sleep.

1207
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a work in progress that's taking some time.

1208
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 4: But no, Janna was was supportive. She expressed, you know,

1209
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: some some sense of loss, a little bit, miss your arm,

1210
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 4: my arms. I'm not cutting it off. It's still gonna

1211
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 4: be there, but.

1212
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 3: What the meanings why he was doing it.

1213
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: I loved it because it's all about his growth and

1214
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 2: his journey and his sobriety. And I I was so

1215
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: on board for that because if that's just a constant

1216
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: daily reminder. But what I did say to him though,

1217
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: as I said, you know, if stuff happens, I'm gonna

1218
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: want to cut that arm off because I'd be like.

1219
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: That's a lie too.

1220
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would suck.

1221
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1222
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 4: So so no, jan has been really supportive. But we

1223
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 4: we can understand and empathize JC with how you might

1224
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 4: be feeling about it because it is a permanent thing.

1225
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, and if you don't have any

1226
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 4: tattoos yourself, I can see how it'd be even more

1227
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 4: difficult to understand. Jana has a bunch of tattoos as well,

1228
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 4: more strategically placed.

1229
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't say like super strategic, because I

1230
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 2: had one above my huci hooch. It I got removed though, Mark,

1231
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: Thanks Susan, it got removed. So sometimes you just make

1232
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 2: real bad choices doing tattoos. But Mike's tattoos are lovely

1233
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: and great meaning. So on that note, now that y'all

1234
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: know that I have a tattoo removed from my hoo chooch,

1235
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 2: we're gonna call it a day.

1236
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, one more thing about the transgender thing that I've

1237
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: been thinking about, Please Mark, it's been bothered. It's just

1238
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: something that bothered me a little bit over the ears. Uh.

1239
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: People say that, you know, you shouldn't expose your children

1240
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: to things like transgender, to things like homosexuality because it'll

1241
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: just confuse them, and it's just not a good idea.

1242
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: And my kids have grown up with an aunt who's gay,

1243
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: and so I just want to say, it's really easy

1244
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: for them to understand love is love, and people look

1245
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: going to love whoever they happen to fall in love with,

1246
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: and it's really easier for them to understand that no,

1247
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: that person identifies as a male. It actually is really easy.

1248
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: What's really difficult for them to understand is why anyone

1249
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: would hate someone for being that.

1250
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 3: Way, and why we make it so difficult.

1251
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: Really hard for them to grasp. So just keep that

1252
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: in mind when you're if you expose your kids to that.

1253
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: Well said Mark, and I think too, we make it

1254
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: more complicated than it needs to be.

1255
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 4: We don't give kids enough benefit of the doubt. Kids

1256
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 4: are freaking smart. Yeah, they're so much smarter than we

1257
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: give them credit for.

1258
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, guys, Well on that note, parent confession

1259
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: of the day. I have to say this because I

1260
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: was Jace. I didn't even tell you this, Michael so bad.

1261
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to.

1262
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 2: He was crying and so I was rushing to put

1263
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: him in his seat feeding and I was just like, well, buddy, buddy,

1264
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 2: like I'm coming, you know, like I got your food

1265
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: or whatever. So I go grab the food and he's

1266
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 2: in my arm and I put him down in his

1267
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 2: high chirt this morning, and I go to put the

1268
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: high chair top on. I whacked him right in the

1269
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: face so hard, and I was like, oh my god,

1270
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: he just he just these crocodile tears start coming out,

1271
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: and I just am like, oh, I felt awful.

1272
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I whacked the baby.

1273
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: I felt so bad. This poor little face was like, mom,

1274
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: how dare you anything?

1275
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 3: You got anything from me?

1276
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 4: We'll talk off air. Oh, that's really funny. I felt awful,

1277
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 4: though Daddy would never.

1278
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: I felt terrible. I grabbed him and I squeezed him

1279
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: so tight. It's just one of those moments where I

1280
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: was just like, oh my god, Janna did not mean

1281
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: to do that.

1282
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 3: Just wank right in the face. You know, do you

1283
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 3: got any from me?

1284
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 4: No?

1285
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: You're just perfect. On that note, On that note, mine

1286
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: that next week later.

1287
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 3: Great chop guys,