1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Hey, Lead the Listeners tig torres here stay tuned for 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: the next episode of Lead the Lit. But before we 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: dive into today's episode, here's a quick word from our sponsor. 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: I'm on my way home after a horrible night asking myself, 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: tig what's so bad about the lip killer being back 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: and the principal block being's latest thick. Not to mention 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: this is already the second real life dead body you've 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: seen to that a side of a low grade police 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: two from Detective Carver and her crew. I mean, I 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: get it. I pocketed some evidence and was slow handing 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: it over, But it's not like the Hollow Falls p 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: D have a sterling track record when it comes to 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: doing actual detective work. I was just trying to right now. 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm all about that chill playlist, gigantic tub of ice cream, 15 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:08,279 Speaker 1: and no more visions of primsible blocks face. I wanna, 16 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: I wanna give us? Are you away? Bad day made 17 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: way worse day Friday, as I was, nothing wakes you 18 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: up faster than finding your aboila on the verge of 19 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: a full on freak out on the front steps, a 20 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: gift wrapped box full of dead crow at her feet 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: and a note, always a note. It read Tig, I 22 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: see you. It was a warning, but I won't let 23 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: the lit Killer take away another person I care about. 24 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm Tig Torres and this is lethal lit Hollow Falls 25 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: is reeling, and this podcast is the only thing giving 26 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: me life. Right now, the lit Killer has claimed two 27 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: new victims, class mate Tony del Canto and Hollow Falls 28 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 1: High Principal Ronald Block. On top of that, the cops 29 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: rated the talent offices, grabbed the Antbeth tapes and my laptop. 30 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: Shout out to town snitch Ella for that last bit. 31 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: In the wake of Block's murder, school has been closed 32 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: for days. But if this town is known for anything, 33 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: it's for pretending nothing ever happened. But there's no way 34 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: I'll ever be able to unsee that. I know I 35 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: talk a good game, but being up close, smelling the 36 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: blood and seeing people you knew just a few hours 37 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: before they were murdered, it does something to you. But 38 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: we have to keep on right. Oh and an update 39 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: on a Boila. That dead Bird gave her quite a scare, 40 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: but I was able to talk her down. No thoughts 41 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: yet on what the dead chrow means, while it did 42 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: was make me think of Henry the stuffed mascot block 43 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: kept on his desk. But Aboila's okay, and that's all 44 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: that matters. Luckily, the next gift to show up at 45 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: our door was much more welcome. Hey, got your message. 46 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: I thought i'd stop by to bring you and unexpected 47 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: tours embrace. I'll take that. Sorry. I tend to attack 48 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: hug when I'm nervous. I guess seeing a boiler totally 49 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: flip bothered me more than I thought. I don't mind. 50 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: And is she okay? Yeah, she's fine or she will be. 51 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: So this wasn't just a wellness check on you and 52 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: your grandma. I also have some good news aside from 53 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: the you not being in jails. Witch right, That Levison 54 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: really saved me. But I think that one cop Lahane 55 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: was already about to let me go. Unexpected humanity from 56 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: the Hollow falls p d Well, that's not all either, 57 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: check it. He also gave me back all your gear 58 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: esus Solly way to bury the lead. That's awesome. Free 59 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: to hug me again. I accept physical gratitude. Maybe later 60 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: there's more so. When they gave me your pile of stuff, 61 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: it felt different, like there was something new in there. New. 62 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: Check this out. I remember you having one of these 63 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: old school recorders before, did you? Ali was half right. 64 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: I did Amazon prime myself a new retro style recorder 65 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: for listening to my aunt Beth's tapes. But this wasn't it. 66 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: This one was much much older. In fact, it looked 67 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: identical to my aunt Beths t There's a tape in here? 68 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: Did the Hall of Falls p d Or our new buddy, 69 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: Detective Lahyne slipped this bit of evidence in with my 70 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: gear to give us a clue, a lead he couldn't 71 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: follow up on because technically the lip killer case was closed. Okay, 72 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: time for some more lip killer specifics. The o G 73 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: victims were spread out over a year, referencing a bookshelf 74 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: forth of English lip classics from Dracula to the Crucible. 75 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 1: Each murder was set up to evoke specific lay scenes 76 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: from these books. The first victim was Suzanne Overmeyer. She 77 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: was an orphan and eked out a high school diploma 78 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: before starting a glamorous career as a gas station cashier. 79 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: On December eighteen, two thousand and seven, she goes missing. 80 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: A few days later, her body is found with a 81 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: gunshot to the back of the head. But no one, 82 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: especially not the cops, could figure out why someone would 83 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: hurt a nameless nobody, So the case went ice cold 84 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: until my aunt Beth started working it for the Hollow 85 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: Falls Ledger and and Once and Met. George shoots Lenny 86 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: in the head to spare him from the wrath of 87 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: Curly's men in the lottery. The losers get stoned to death. 88 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: The note was left in a collection of short stories 89 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 1: by Shirley Jackson, So the killer is trying to connect 90 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: literary death with actual ones. I've got his m O, 91 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: so now I can start figuring out who this lunatic is. 92 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: I should start back and talk to Steiner too. You 93 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: mentioned getting some insight from lebon Stead. Wait what Steiner 94 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: we knew about? But Lemonson, let's list this out right now. 95 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 1: We've got two bodies, more tapes, a town losing its mind, 96 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: and four teenagers trying to figure it out. It's like 97 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: the plot of a new Netflix series, or the perfect 98 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: time to circle the wagons and pool our info. Luckily, 99 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: the school had been reopened, so we could get back 100 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: to our h Q at the talent, A dead crow 101 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: and another note. Yeah, it was messed up. Your Grandma's safe, 102 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: so it's all good now. Okay, God, you feel so tense, 103 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: Come here, relax, we'll figure this out. Thanks. Love a 104 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: good show, Mance. I totally ship you guys. Come on 105 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: hashtag Tolly. Can we focus on the case now. I 106 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: don't know about you, guys, but I'd like to survive 107 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: the next couple of days. Right back to Biz. I'm 108 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: gonna go hit the library. There's got to be some 109 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: link between the principal Tony and all the old school 110 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: that killing Max. I'm not too suddenly not feeling the 111 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: vibe in here. Has she pissed at me not to 112 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: pile on? But I'm gone to all right, Max, I'll 113 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: catch a wickwin later. I know who I have to 114 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: hit up next. See you in a bit, okay, sure later. 115 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: I thought Sam Steiner was the only person who worked 116 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: closely with my aunt while she was investigating the lip killer, 117 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: but it turns out she was also confiding and someone 118 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: I'd already heard a lot about. It's nice to finally 119 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: meet to in person. Take thanks for a meeting with me, 120 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: Mr Levinson, appreciate it. Of course. I have great respect 121 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: for what you're doing, even if it is distracting my 122 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: staff from their deadlines. You knew my aunt path when 123 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: she was a student here. Yes, of course I knew Beth. 124 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: She was brilliant. I remember most of my students. Sometimes 125 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: it feels like the entire town of Hollow Falls has 126 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: walked through my class from at one point in time. 127 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: I knew her partner at the Ledger to Steinway Steiner. 128 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: He was a bit squirrely, but seemed like a nice 129 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: enough man. This is Harry Levinson, longtime Hollow Falls High 130 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: Talent adviser and American history teacher. He's been here forever. 131 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: Beth was a sharp student and became a diligent reporter. 132 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: It's always been a source of pride when any of 133 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: my staff at the Talent go on to careers as 134 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: professional journalists. Do you think she was the lit killer? 135 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: I'd like to think she wasn't. Certainly she's not a murderer. 136 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: I know that for a fact. I agree. But while 137 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: they were two different, separate people, it became a dance almost. 138 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: What do you mean I'm gonna say this. Let me 139 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: be blunt. Your aunt was obsessed with the case. It 140 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: was all she did. So when she died, it was 141 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: almost too easy for the cops the town really to 142 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: pin it on her. She was studying her target, doing 143 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: her research and being thorough. You know you remind me 144 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: of her. I'm sure a lot of people in town 145 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: also see the resemblance. What do you think Beth would 146 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: do if she was still here? M hmm. I suppose 147 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: Beth's strength was it picking out the improbable in the 148 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: mundane through sheer determination. She'd work every angle and retrace 149 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: the same steps as the police until she found the 150 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: evidence gold she was searching for. Max tells me, you 151 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: found that note in your principal blocks body but nothing else. 152 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: Was Levinson just playing the role of newspaper advisor getting 153 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: me to dig deeper, think harder. Or had I really 154 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: been sloppy in my observations of the crime scenes. Maybe 155 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: instead of analyzing the murders, I should have been trying 156 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: to get into my aunt's head. I'm starting to see 157 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: what theol killer is thinking, but that knowledge isn't sitting 158 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: well with me. It's like when you're in the dark 159 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: for too long, your eyes adapt, your brain starts making 160 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: excuses for what you're seeing. But do I want that? 161 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: Do I want to understand the mind of a killer. 162 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: Most of the victims Overmyer del Canto and Wozniak, I'll 163 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: come back to Home of falls Hiving. In addition to 164 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: being a coach, del Canto was one of the Remedial 165 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: Learning Track instructors and over Myron Wasniak. The Dracula death 166 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: scene victim were in those classes. So there's obviously something there. 167 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: But what It's technically still a crime scene, which means 168 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: it will be locked up pretty tight. But all the 169 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: evidence has been collected, so I figured I could slip in, 170 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: take a sweep for anything I might have missed in 171 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: and out. Okay, there you are. I've been texting you. 172 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: Are you going on a covert mission somewhere? No, just 173 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: I think I might have missed something at Principal Blocks 174 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: crime scene. I need to swing back and check it 175 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: out for real. You can't catch everything. Take Yeah, but 176 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: the niece of the great Beth Torres should be better 177 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: than that. I think you're already pretty great. Come here, Ali, 178 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: I huh that is also pretty great. So um ah, 179 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: you were looking for me? What? Oh? Yeah, I just 180 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: wanted to well if it isn't Hollow Fall's newest NERD 181 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: pairing what's your couple name? Mr and Mrs Murder? What 182 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: do you want ella back to tamper with our investigation 183 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: some more? Listen, you want to be Lauren Duca. You're 184 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: not fooling anyone. We've noticed that it's no coincidence that 185 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: the people who cross you, like my Tony and poor 186 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: Principal Block, end up dead. What did you find your 187 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: serial killer aunt's diary and now you're following it word 188 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: for word? Step off of her. This has nothing to 189 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: do with you. So direct your venom somewhere else. Okay, 190 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: you haven't seen venom yet? Why toy YouTube us watch 191 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: your backs. Me and all the eleenators are onto you. 192 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: What the hell is an elevator? Something tells me we're lucky. 193 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: We're done now. So you were on your way to 194 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: Blocks office. Yeah, just to do a cursory sweep, No, bigie, 195 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: Can I come with you? Um? Sure? Okay, you know what. 196 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: Let's do this proper. Let's meet outside his office window 197 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: ten o'clock. Dark clothes, I can't see anything. Couldn't we 198 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: at least turn on our flashlights? No way? Blocks office 199 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: is a crime scene. That door is bolted shut. We 200 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: can't just waltz in there like it's nothing. Message received, 201 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: but again, can't see anything. We can use our flashlights 202 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: once we're inside. About that, How are we supposed to 203 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: get in there with this hope? We would sink it's 204 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: just breaking an energy. It's a B and E with 205 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: or without the crowbar, sweetie, But this could get us 206 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: into some serious So be a good boy and keep 207 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: an eye out. Yea good? Got it? Okay? No alarm? Good, 208 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: no broken glo. Sure, I mean I figured there wouldn't be. 209 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: It's just a principal's office, right, give me a boost. 210 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: Principal Blocks office was surprisingly tidy, considering we had to 211 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: do a lot of tiptoeing to avoid disturbing any of 212 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: the marked off areas. But it wasn't long before we 213 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: found something I'd missed the first time. Filed between textbooks 214 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: on a small shelf behind blocks desk. There's your copy 215 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: of Crime and Punishment. Yeah, quick, but Crime and Punishment 216 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: doesn't usually come wrapped around another book. The dust jacket 217 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: is right, but it's covering something else. The outsiders see 218 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: Hinton's big claim to face stay gold. Pony Boy. Wasn't 219 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: that a movie like from the eighties? It was a 220 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: book first about two rival games in the sixties that 221 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: were at odds with each other. Look, there's a page 222 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: folded end of course, a highlighted passage. Get smart and 223 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: nothing can touch you. What do you think that means? 224 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I need to think on this more. 225 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: I should go to you should probably go home. Take 226 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not trying to adult you, but your grandma 227 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: did just have a major scare and it's late. You 228 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: are not doing anything else tonight by yourself. I know, 229 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: I will. I'm just thinking, do I have to drag 230 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: you there? You wish? But you're right. Let's hey, what 231 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: are you doing? I was just going in for another Oh? 232 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: Was that okay? No? I mean yes, Wait did you 233 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: hear that someone's coming? Damn pie? But yeah, it seems 234 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: like this is becoming a habit. Hiding blocks office, kissing 235 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: us kissing. But let's get out of here before we 236 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: get spotted. Sounds good and give that vigilante mind of 237 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: yours arrest. Good night, Mrs Murpher, I'm gonna get I 238 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: totally planned on going straight home, but on the way 239 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: there I ran into Max. He had some pretty big news, 240 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: like case changing news. Huh, Okay, got it, say it 241 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: again for the recording. Yeah, all right. So I was 242 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: in the library and I started thinking about how nice 243 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: and like super meditative it wasn't there, and it really 244 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: gave me time to reflect on all my life choices 245 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: like last good Max, Fine, No, fine, okay, Okay. So 246 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: back in the day when the O. G. Lit killer 247 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: murders were happening, or like in the aftermath, some people 248 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: in town were still a hundred percent obsessed, and I'm 249 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: sure it was just a way for the town to 250 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: deal with like creating a psychopath, you know. So one 251 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: of the ways in which they process was by meeting 252 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: face to face and talking about it and coming up 253 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: with theories. One of their more popular ones was that 254 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: your aunt Beth didn't do it. Finally, someone here gets it. Well, 255 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: there's more. This one group they called themselves the Murder 256 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: of Crows. Hey, did you know that a group of 257 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: crows is actually yes, it's called a murder Come on, spill. 258 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: So what did this group did? Right, Smarty? So they 259 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: met so often they basically made it all official. We're 260 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: talking regular meeting times. Places probably had their own little 261 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: like creeper membership cards with a it's not that creepy. 262 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: A lot of people are interested in true crime, and 263 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, like shill girl, no one's trashing your obsession. 264 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: So obvious. It was hard to nail down exactly who 265 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: was involved in these meetings since there weren't like any 266 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: murder minutes being taken. But I did manage to dig 267 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: up a list of members. That's great, what was in it? 268 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: The first names I found were Tony Delcanto Jr. Principal 269 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: Block are two new victims and this gets good. Levinson 270 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: hollow Falls, his favor Hermit Sam Steiner, Miranda Pile, the 271 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: town librarian, Mayor high Smith, Charlie Potchoda, the guy that 272 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: runs the piano bar down near the crossing, and even 273 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: our baby detective Paul la Hayes. So wait when did 274 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: these meetings take place? Over years? But like not everyone 275 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 1: was around for the first meeting. Tony would have been 276 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: too young to be a founder, but he joined a 277 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: few years in lane. Since he's a new biad, hollow 278 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: Falls came late to the party too. That means, holy crap, Max. 279 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: This could be a roadmap to who the future victims 280 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: are and if they were questioning whether Aunt Beth was 281 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: the lip killer. It could mean that the real killer 282 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: is clearing the decks of anyone trying to derail his frame. 283 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: Job could be that, or who are suspects? Might be? Yes, Max, 284 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: look at how good you are at this? I accept 285 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: a plause. Thank you. I'm giving you all the snaps? 286 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: So how'd you get the list? Can you believe they 287 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: tried to hide it in an old live journal post 288 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: one of the members had anonymously posted it. But Obbos, 289 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: it couldn't hide from me. Look at you putting those 290 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: inst stocking skills to work. Okay, so now use Phil 291 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: tell me about blocks office. What did you and only 292 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: snag besides each other? We found a copy of Crime 293 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: and Punishment, which seemed out of place since all the 294 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: other books were manuals or textbooks. I get this. It 295 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: wasn't Crime and Punishment. It was just the book cover 296 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: for Crime and Punishment. There was another book underneath the Outsiders. 297 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: It's all about a huge rumble between two team gangs 298 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: and a vacant lot. Hollow Falls is ripe with big, 299 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: empty old things. But one lot in particular comes to 300 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: mind and has a direct connection to our very own 301 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: Mayor Highsmith. Okay, but did you guys also make out Max, 302 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: So that's a solid yes, and also tell me everything. 303 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't kiss until don't even try to lie to 304 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: me about smooches. Okay, So, with this new info, should 305 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: we text Ella? I mean, I'm no fan of her drama, 306 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: but letting her know her pops could be next is 307 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: the right thing to do. Right, it's too soon. I 308 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: promise we'll alert her if we get any kind of 309 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: whiff her dad is in danger. But like you said, 310 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: for all we know, the people on this list could 311 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: be suspects too. Then what do you want to do? 312 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: Fingers Cross, Let's go home and watch Killing Eve. M 313 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: Al's been talking to anyone with a pulse about all 314 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: the good stuff her dad is doing as mayor, especially 315 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: all the areas he's going to clean up to bring 316 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: in some new business. Those are some high profile things 317 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: that might be irresistible to our killer. So if we 318 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: use that to narrow down our list of vacant lots, Nope, nope, no, no, no, 319 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: Please don't say it. I draw the line of clowns. 320 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: Max is reacting negatively because he knows I'm referring to 321 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: the largest of hollow falls. Vacant lots. The abandoned fairgrounds, 322 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: which once how Grand's Amusement and water park. The name 323 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: is the best part of the place, which was made 324 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: up of basic rides and sad kittie pools. The park 325 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: shut down during the lip Killers Year of blood. It 326 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: had already been on shaky financial ground, but once the 327 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: murders started, the few remaining patrons bailed. Still, for kids 328 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: living in Hollow Falls, it was all they had. When 329 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: it went broke, the town got that much sadder. The 330 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: fair grounds are also the focus of the mayor's first 331 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: major renovation project. Eldridge high Smith was elected on a 332 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: platform that included reducing the crime rate, improving education, and 333 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: my kid, you not bringing more tourism to Hollow Falls. 334 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: Hazeo for three so far. So the easy fix is 335 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: to remodel the area that would get him the most 336 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: press target acquired. You're not seriously considering this in this 337 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: late at night bravery and moderation tig. You don't have 338 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: to come, but I'm going to check it out. There 339 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: might be evidence we can use to catch him before 340 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: we find another corpse. Look, I am all for preventing 341 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: bloody murder, but if you're a student of horror cinema 342 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: like me. A gay guy and a latina would probably 343 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: be the first to die. Right, Maybe we should wait 344 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: until we have a straight white system. Okay, So I'm 345 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: here at the old Fairgrounds with Max and we're trying 346 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: to figure out where to start. Max care to elaborate 347 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: for the listeners? Well, we're just getting into the hall 348 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: of mirrors. I don't know how you talk me into 349 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: this place? Is something? I don't know how they're expecting 350 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: to clean all this up. Everything is covered with rust, 351 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: bird poop and apparently dirty underwear. Gross, Still zero sign 352 00:21:51,040 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 1: of what? What was that mask? Let's hear the cricklet 353 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: of me? You? Okay, these mirrors just broke. Take where 354 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: to go? Are you carrying this mask? Where are you? 355 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: I can't see you? It's truths dark here, can't see 356 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: my hand. We need to stay again? How is that? 357 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: Who's there to take? I take schools behind me? Is 358 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: that yours? What are you? Oh? My dear dear? She 359 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: generally gave herself very good and things, although she very 360 00:22:48,440 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: seldom fall lonely. Yeah, hey, this is when what you 361 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: just heard. Those recordings were sent to me from Tig's 362 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: phone by Holy crap, it must have been from the 363 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: person who attack them. And now Tig is missing and 364 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: Max Max is dead. Lane just stopped by to delivering 365 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: the news. Whoever did this, whoever is out there with 366 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: Max's blood on your hands, you better watch your back, 367 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: you bastard. We may not have a lot to go on, 368 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: but I don't give up. I told you to go 369 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: straight home. Tig, just hang on. We're coming for you 370 00:23:52,600 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: and Max. On the next episode of Lethal litt it's 371 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: when leave a message or whatever. I'm not the boss 372 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: of you. It's me. It's I don't know how long 373 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: I asked, but I need to tell you this before 374 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: he finds me. You need to know it. 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