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Speaker 1: the series finale, and you're not gonna want to be spoiled.
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Speaker 2: In this episode, in the airlock, we're digging into Secret
Speaker 2: Invasion episode six. We made it, guys, can you believe it?
Speaker 2: We've reached the finale. The finale is here. The finale
Speaker 2: is over, so we're gonna talk about it. We have endured,
Speaker 2: we have endured, and we have survived. And in nerd
Speaker 2: out a theory on the possible MCU connections spinning out
Speaker 2: of Secret Invasion.
Speaker 1: Coming up next Secret Invasion episode six. We're stepping out
Speaker 1: of the airlock for the finale of Secret Invasion episode
Speaker 1: six home directed by Ali Salim, written by Kyle Bradstreet
Speaker 1: and Brian Tucker, and we open with Vara leaving the shootout.
Speaker 1: I think from the episode, there's scroll blood all over
Speaker 1: the place, and she's got her little gun toning backpack
Speaker 1: and she's leaving and she gets a call from her
Speaker 1: legal husband, Nick Fury Nicolas. He says, hey, I'm going
Speaker 1: away shortly.
Speaker 3: Why like this every time?
Speaker 1: Apparently he never calls her, That's why she answered the phone.
Speaker 1: She's like, this must be serious.
Speaker 3: She's like, oh, he guess he's getting too space again.
Speaker 1: Also, did they unintentionally reference I will survive? Is this
Speaker 1: like all an unintentional reference to the lyrics if I
Speaker 1: will survive? Anyway? So he says, yes, I'm going to space,
Speaker 1: and Vera's like, no, you should, you should stick around,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, okay. At New scroll Os, a
Speaker 1: car rolls up.
Speaker 4: To the gate.
Speaker 1: The guards are like stop the guards who are Scrolls
Speaker 1: who are disguised as humans, as Russians. This car doesn't stop,
Speaker 1: so they open fire on it. They just perforate this car,
Speaker 1: and then they walk up to it. There's no one
Speaker 1: in the car, and then all of a sudden, two
Speaker 1: other gun shots ring out, and now the Scroll guards
Speaker 1: are dead. Who is it? It's Nick Fury, back on
Speaker 1: his I'm a super spy ship and I'm not washed anymore.
Speaker 1: He's ready.
Speaker 2: He's ready to trick them with the old empty car trick,
Speaker 2: and then cut to the credits.
Speaker 3: After that shocking reveal.
Speaker 1: At President Ritson's bedside, where again somebody is the shocking
Speaker 1: paucity of anybody plays around the American president.
Speaker 2: You will never hit me asking for the Secret Service
Speaker 2: to be in attendance, but in this case, where is
Speaker 2: the secret Cabinet?
Speaker 3: Like it feels like this is why for his children,
Speaker 3: I or anyone in it at.
Speaker 1: Least be video linked to like then the Joint Chiefs
Speaker 1: or something. Because Scroti is here and he's just like like, hey,
Speaker 1: I know you're going through it right now. You're probably
Speaker 1: dealing with like a concussion extress disorder shock of like
Speaker 1: almost dying. But you need to attack Russia and you
Speaker 1: need to attack this Russian base where the scrolls are
Speaker 1: and need to do it now.
Speaker 3: Also, wasn't that the plot of the last episode?
Speaker 2: Like this seems like it's slightly reductive, but also I
Speaker 2: want to know why the president would just still be
Speaker 2: absolutely buying and like.
Speaker 1: He's on the fence about it. It's like, on the
Speaker 1: one hand, the missile launching like ships and subs are
Speaker 1: on the way. On the other hand, he's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It kind of means World War three. Some
Speaker 1: admiral is like, I don't know, maybe we should just
Speaker 1: kind of wait and see and scrot He's like, no, no.
Speaker 3: You don't need to do that.
Speaker 2: I'm his number one most trusted advisor.
Speaker 3: I'm the only was in the Avengers.
Speaker 2: His aunt didn't show up when he got shot and
Speaker 2: then they assassinate him. There hasn't been any kind of
Speaker 2: web fallout from him being Satiny and the guess who's
Speaker 2: here rusty And.
Speaker 1: Let me just talk about my roady bonafides iron Man
Speaker 1: two and three? Uh, how to me heard of it?
Speaker 1: How about that big fight at the at the German
Speaker 1: airport in Captain American Civil War. I was very very
Speaker 1: important in that moment, and I did get paralyzed or
Speaker 1: is severely injured. Talk more about that later. I was
Speaker 1: there in Wakanda in Infinity War, remember that, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And then I came back after the blitz.
Speaker 2: And the MCU president that we've never seen before. Of course,
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, that's true, all of that happened. I
Speaker 2: was definitely that unaware of it.
Speaker 1: So let's snook Russia. Then he's like, and just to
Speaker 1: prove my point, here's satellite imagery showing Russians moving into
Speaker 1: either defensive or offensive positions one or both or whatever.
Speaker 1: Scrodi then hands the President a speech that he's written himself.
Speaker 3: What is going on here? Did he drug the president
Speaker 3: and just read this shit?
Speaker 2: Girls have like a hypnotic tendency that they can use here.
Speaker 3: I feel like the President's is just going along with it.
Speaker 1: We should ask our founders if you can just walk
Speaker 1: up to the president and can.
Speaker 3: You read this?
Speaker 2: You just cameras, it's gonna be all over the world, sir.
Speaker 2: I made sure it had lots of good rhymes.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Fury is making his way into the new scroll
Speaker 1: Os base and he's finding uh, just scrolls dead everywhere
Speaker 1: for reasons that we're not sure about.
Speaker 2: Okay, is this scrolls from gravits?
Speaker 3: Little fight?
Speaker 2: Also, this will be a recurring theme in this episode conversation,
Speaker 2: but like, what is the How can Fury not be
Speaker 2: impacted by the nuclear radiation that is apparently a thousand
Speaker 2: times high.
Speaker 1: Taking massive doses and he's like coffee.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, He's like, oh yeah, but that's like that
Speaker 2: will kill you for a long time.
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of questions about the radiation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: coming up later, But he is taking damage from the
Speaker 1: intense radiation of this now defunct nuclear reactor that we
Speaker 1: are led to surmise is probably Chernobyl and there are
Speaker 1: a lot of dead scrolls around, possibly I guess killed
Speaker 1: by Gravic in his ire that anyone would ever question him.
Speaker 1: Where's Gravic?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Gravic is over by his super scroll machine. That's where
Speaker 1: Fury finds him. Fury's like gobbling anti radiation pills and
Speaker 1: graphics like, ha, you don't need that. How about a drink?
Speaker 4: Like it's dah, I'm doing good?
Speaker 3: Yeah and good.
Speaker 1: Gravic is like, hey, you just came here by yourself,
Speaker 1: like where are the Avengers? What are you doing?
Speaker 2: Bro?
Speaker 1: Like? What up? And Gravic talks about his human form.
Speaker 1: He's like, this is the you never asked me about
Speaker 1: this person. This is the first human life I took.
Speaker 1: I took him on your orders. He had a light,
Speaker 1: he had a wife and a family, and I killed him.
Speaker 1: And every time I killed people for you, like it
Speaker 1: took a part of my soul. And I think that
Speaker 1: was That's actually something that yes, Ury needs to hear.
Speaker 2: This is like this moment because Kings of Benadeera is
Speaker 2: also like a really really great actor. If you've seen
Speaker 2: him in he's doing the most. He's doing the most
Speaker 2: with this. But like, this was especially a moment where
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, man, if this had been part
Speaker 2: of the first episode. And it's about the fact that
Speaker 2: Fury essentially used They're using a lot of political analogies
Speaker 2: here about the people that America have trained to kill
Speaker 2: who then come back and become, you know, terrorists as
Speaker 2: they're perceived with it by the American state. Like so
Speaker 2: there's a lot of real life and analogus here that
Speaker 2: I don't think they give enough depth to. But this
Speaker 2: is one of those moments where I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this could have been what the show is about. Like
Speaker 2: when he's saying this, he literally took on the form
Speaker 2: of the first person Fury made him assassinate when he
Speaker 2: was very young, because he realized that person had a
Speaker 2: life and a family, and.
Speaker 3: Fury asked him to kill him.
Speaker 2: That's so interesting, And it's literally like thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: He says something really interesting, which is you pimped us,
Speaker 1: Fury essentially saying, hey, you promised us a homeland and
Speaker 1: then you used us to commit various espionage activities, including murder,
Speaker 1: and then you didn't need us. You just kind of
Speaker 1: like popped us off on everybody else. So Gravic says,
Speaker 1: here's what I'm gonna do because I'm extremely angry at you.
Speaker 2: And he has passed so many he sells this he
Speaker 2: is likely, so he really does.
Speaker 1: Everybody is acting their ass off in this.
Speaker 2: They know is the finale, even if we might not
Speaker 2: know from watching it.
Speaker 3: They know that.
Speaker 1: They give me I'm gonna I'm gonna kill you, Nick Fury,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna genocide the entire human race. So
Speaker 1: just like be tortured by that knowledge because I'm sorry
Speaker 1: so bad. Fury then admits, hey, listen, that's on me.
Speaker 1: It was my bad. I didn't get you guys a
Speaker 1: home World. My bad. I'll take the l on that one.
Speaker 1: But I know people are tired of hearing me say
Speaker 1: this with a blip. Was very disruptive. It messed me up.
Speaker 1: And also look at this, and then he takes out
Speaker 1: a vial of the DNA, the Harvest DNA, which we're
Speaker 1: about to find out is everybody.
Speaker 5: It's not just the Avengers, every Power, every all three
Speaker 5: hundred people law whoever who showed up at endgame and
Speaker 5: came through a pull on both the good side and
Speaker 5: the bad side.
Speaker 3: They are included in the tiny harvesting. I don't know
Speaker 3: how that works. I'm not a scientist, but.
Speaker 1: That's apparently with a little like a c tic with
Speaker 1: c tips.
Speaker 2: And then they put it all in the and they
Speaker 2: were like, oh this, well, this will time me into
Speaker 2: a super soldiah.
Speaker 1: So Fury is like, here's my deal. You take this
Speaker 1: vial of DNA and just leave Earth. Okay, like here's
Speaker 1: you wanted this, Now get out of here. Call the
Speaker 1: attacks of vac here. While this is going on, someone
Speaker 1: is taking out all the Secret Service guys around Ritzen
Speaker 1: with little sleep darts. Of course, it's light and no
Speaker 1: one can find him. Nobody can see where the guy is.
Speaker 1: There are probably cameras in the hospital, nobody can see them.
Speaker 1: It's just like the darts cut out of shadows and
Speaker 1: then look and there's no one there.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been in a city right where where
Speaker 2: there's always where a politician comes to your city, It happens.
Speaker 2: Happened in Law Beach when I lived at They shut
Speaker 2: down your whole city just for a politician who's like
Speaker 2: walking up to a podium to talk for ten minutes,
Speaker 2: let alone if the president was an attempted assassinations. Some
Speaker 2: mysterious person is just out here shooting some darts like
Speaker 2: they're in Jumanji or something like.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It is shockingly bad security in MCU. I will say this, No,
Speaker 2: I won't say it because Wj's on strikes. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to pitch any good ideas. But this should be
Speaker 2: talked about in the future. This is a good, funny
Speaker 2: wrecon that you can talk about in the future.
Speaker 1: Ritsin is really shaken up by the fact that all
Speaker 1: those guys are getting slept all around him, and he's
Speaker 1: like to his Secret Service guy, like, give me your gun.
Speaker 1: What's the Secret Service guy going to use? And then
Speaker 1: but this lets you know that ritsen Is has been
Speaker 1: whatever his mental state pre the attacks, he clearly like unhinged. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the right, I give me the gun. I'll do
Speaker 1: I'm concussed. I'm in a hospital bed. You're a trained
Speaker 1: Secret Service agent. I think I may do better than you. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Soon after, Sonia.
Speaker 3: Who is just god she's here, takes.
Speaker 1: Scrody prisoner because I guess she was behind the door.
Speaker 4: She literally was just hiding behind the door.
Speaker 3: And as she pointed out.
Speaker 2: To him, you didn't even check behind the door, you
Speaker 2: really are a scroll.
Speaker 1: That was interesting because I guess is the should we
Speaker 1: take from that that scrolls just never checked things like
Speaker 1: is that is like a cultural scrull.
Speaker 2: I just like, don't I like the implication here that
Speaker 2: like that's just they scrolls are just inherently trusting of
Speaker 2: like lima behind. I think the idea is, as we
Speaker 2: will talk about more later. I think what they're trying
Speaker 2: to imply here is like, whoever this scroll is, they
Speaker 2: haven't been rody for very long, so they don't have that,
Speaker 2: like they don't have the immedia suspicion and piss annoya
Speaker 2: and like the things that you would have to do
Speaker 2: if you were elying the president.
Speaker 1: It's like Timothy Dalton's run as double low seven.
Speaker 3: He he just got there. He just got there, you know.
Speaker 2: And so I think that she's like, Wow, the fact
Speaker 2: you didn't even check that just prove if I didn't
Speaker 2: know you were a scroll before I know you on
Speaker 2: Now that's lucky for you because your finger's not gonna
Speaker 2: get shopped.
Speaker 1: But if it's this, what if it's so the scroll
Speaker 1: spend some large portion of their lives like in disguise, right,
Speaker 1: even when they're not on earth disguise, Like, clearly they
Speaker 1: have this power, they use it. Natural selection would imply
Speaker 1: that they need this for a reason, right, So they
Speaker 1: don't understand hiding with objects because they just hide like.
Speaker 3: All the time. They don't need plain sight.
Speaker 4: That's actually pretty So they don't.
Speaker 1: Understand how to use the landscape.
Speaker 2: They don't usually need to hide because they just hide
Speaker 2: by taking on a different.
Speaker 1: Fury could just like roll a car towards the gate
Speaker 1: and then be standing behind a tree and then come
Speaker 1: out and shoot too trained scroll.
Speaker 2: It was weird, how like they were just so unprepared
Speaker 2: for that, But I suppose that's just narrative.
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 1: I'm certainly hide and seek.
Speaker 3: We took Oh my god. Yeah, I would also watch that.
Speaker 2: What if short like, what if the Scrolls had to
Speaker 2: play hide and seek for the fate of the universe
Speaker 2: and they're just terrible at it.
Speaker 4: But also I will say.
Speaker 2: That I think as much as I believe that this
Speaker 2: finale is a similar quality to the rest of the show,
Speaker 2: as to say, not the best offering of the MCU,
Speaker 2: I do think in the culture of comics, and we've
Speaker 2: talked about this a lot. One of the best things
Speaker 2: is when you make a comic, or when you make
Speaker 2: a comic book, TV show, or even when you join
Speaker 2: a long running TV show or a shared universe, you're
Speaker 2: essentially collaborating with the people who came before, and there
Speaker 2: is a lot of fun seeds here that could be
Speaker 2: expanded on. Like I think a lot about how when
Speaker 2: we when we interviewed Jessica Gow about Sheehawk, and she
Speaker 2: talked about that gag where they were just.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, the Covi Accords don't exist anymore.
Speaker 2: That felt like such a huge reveal, but that was
Speaker 2: just something that she like pitched to Kevin Faigi, And
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of stuff here that,
Speaker 2: while we're kind of coming at it with these outrageous
Speaker 2: questions in our mind, because there is a lot of
Speaker 2: really silly stuff going on, you could have a lot
Speaker 2: of fun building on those like choices.
Speaker 1: I completely agree, And I think, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the strengths of the MCU and in comics in general
Speaker 1: is for that exact thing, the ability to go back
Speaker 1: and go there's a thing that's weird or humb or
Speaker 1: maybe didn't come up quite work. How can I come
Speaker 1: up with something to make that work and make that
Speaker 1: cool and yet that weird and interesting. You know, we
Speaker 1: were just talking beforehand about how for the Dark World
Speaker 1: was for its time like probably the world ye most
Speaker 1: malign most and then it became weirdly one of the
Speaker 1: most important thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also people I got a cult following, and
Speaker 2: I have seen people online. There've been articles by people
Speaker 2: who think this is actually a really good show and
Speaker 2: they love the change of pace. So it's gonna find
Speaker 2: that cult following, as these things always do. And I
Speaker 2: do think a lot of these things that in the
Speaker 2: context of the show didn't land could be really interesting
Speaker 2: and fun to expand on in the future.
Speaker 1: X Ray Vision will be back and we're back. Gravit
Speaker 1: then puts the DNA in the little loader of his
Speaker 1: machine and then we see like all the names come
Speaker 1: up on the screen and it's legit. Everybody where are soldiers,
Speaker 1: Captain Marvel, Captain Marvel, Stephen Strange Coorg like.
Speaker 3: Like everyone, even the people that you don't care about,
Speaker 3: the ice giants from.
Speaker 1: Like Malfe and all just random as guardians, Like everybody
Speaker 1: is in there. So graphic powers up the machine with
Speaker 1: Fury like dying of radiation poison inside.
Speaker 2: I guess he thought that it would kill him because
Speaker 2: he's a human human.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess Star Trek two kind of yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So then it turns off and then super
Speaker 1: Gravic is now like a super duper Scroll. He was
Speaker 1: already he already had like the beta version of four
Speaker 1: different powers. Now he is like, I don't know, three
Speaker 1: dozen at least, you know, and he starts beating Fury's.
Speaker 2: And he just gets really hench, which is really funny.
Speaker 2: He's just I think they wanted they wanted that more.
Speaker 3: Like cut like, he's just a super scroll.
Speaker 2: He's just a really buff scroll and he's not just
Speaker 2: like beating Fury and you're like.
Speaker 3: Oh, dear aripizza Nick Fury. But there's us problem.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, Fury catches the fist and
Speaker 1: guess what, it's Guya who because she remained in the machine,
Speaker 1: got like fifty percent of the set.
Speaker 2: Least roll maybe all of them. Yeah, she got a
Speaker 2: lot of powers. She already had the four powers, but
Speaker 2: now she has the more powers.
Speaker 1: So we get the big s fight.
Speaker 2: Now she starts it with Nick Fury having a hulkom,
Speaker 2: which is like one of the funniest things that's ever
Speaker 2: happened in them you and will definitely become like a
Speaker 2: hilarious mean before she's revealed to be Guya.
Speaker 1: And just in the first like fifteen seconds of this fight,
Speaker 1: you get ghosts, teleportation powers from and in the Wasp,
Speaker 1: but Bomination, cor A, Frost Giant, on and on and on.
Speaker 1: They're just battling it out back at the hospital. Fury,
Speaker 1: real Fury, real Fury. Now we understand is Outscroty to
Speaker 1: the President is like, that guy's a scroll. I know
Speaker 1: he looks like roads, but it's not roads. Also, lots
Speaker 1: of high ranking politicians all around the globe they're scrolls.
Speaker 1: And then he put He's like, hey, and by the way,
Speaker 1: President Ritten, if you nuke k new scrullers, all the
Speaker 1: real versions of those very important people are gonna die
Speaker 1: because that's where they keep them on ice. And that
Speaker 1: means also James Rhodes Machine Roady will be killed because
Speaker 1: all this they're all there scrody. Meanwhile, I was like, no.
Speaker 3: I'm a human, bro. I love being human. It's so great.
Speaker 1: This guy's crazy, man, stay like, stay the course, pres like, listen, let's.
Speaker 3: Just do it. It will be really fun. We haven't
Speaker 3: we been through so much together.
Speaker 1: It's like, do it, dude, just forget all that stuff
Speaker 1: and let's do it. Then we get more powers. We
Speaker 1: go back to the fight we ebny Ma. There's some
Speaker 1: good ebony Ma action here, which I think again is
Speaker 1: just like straight up the assets right from.
Speaker 3: Me, exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: It has to be.
Speaker 1: Captain marvels an extended Captain Marvel sequence. Then Guya uses
Speaker 1: Mantis's empathy powers to put Graviic to sleep, and uh,
Speaker 1: eventually she punches a hole in his guts with her
Speaker 1: Captain Marvel strength, which I mean, she's You could make
Speaker 1: a very very easy argument that she's now the most
Speaker 1: powerful person.
Speaker 2: I have seen many people saying that I agree to
Speaker 2: a point, but also I'm like, I hope they don't
Speaker 2: go that route, because it would just be like we
Speaker 2: need to fill exactly and like, well, if you use
Speaker 2: someone else's powers against them, like the MCU hasn't necessarily
Speaker 2: been had a great record of adapting powers like that,
Speaker 2: because like task Masters one of the coolest Marvel Comics characters,
Speaker 2: and the version they did wasn't necessarily extremely accurate to
Speaker 2: the impact of Taskmaster in the comics, so I'll be
Speaker 2: interested to see.
Speaker 4: But for now, she's definitely the most powerful person in
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 1: And to be to be fair to the show, Marvel
Speaker 1: has also never really given us like the limits of
Speaker 1: scroll power.
Speaker 2: Like oh no, no, no, I mean even this is
Speaker 2: the funniest thing to keep this up. Like also from
Speaker 2: the very earliest episode in the discord online between ourselves
Speaker 2: on the show this I think one of the biggest
Speaker 2: problems the show struggled with is they have not set
Speaker 2: out any kind of rules about like how how.
Speaker 4: Do the Scroll's powers work?
Speaker 2: How are they not already ruling the earth if they
Speaker 2: have these limitless powers? How long have the Scrolls had
Speaker 2: the powers? How long have they had those humans in there?
Speaker 2: We will get to this, but as Nick ash, who
Speaker 2: came on the podcast to talk about Spider Man India,
Speaker 2: pointed out in a text to me, when I woke
Speaker 2: up this morning, how does everybody who's in Nu scrollos
Speaker 2: who's a human not have horrible radiation poisoning and have
Speaker 2: already died?
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to put a pin in that, because
Speaker 1: we're about to talk about so back at the hospital,
Speaker 1: Fury shoots Scrody and he turns into a fucking scroll
Speaker 1: and Ritson's.
Speaker 3: Like, oh shit, he really was a scrub.
Speaker 1: I call off the nukes Guya. Back in New Scrollos
Speaker 1: goes down free the prisoners. And to your point, they've
Speaker 1: all been down there for months, weeks, years, shouldn't they
Speaker 1: all be dead? Be fucking like ghoules, they would go
Speaker 1: out games. Yeah, taking massive amounts of radiation over time,
Speaker 1: just like absorbing radiation show.
Speaker 2: I have read Raymond briggs iconic comic book When the
Speaker 2: Wind Blows. I have seen that disturbing ass cartoon movie.
Speaker 2: It's iconic.
Speaker 3: I will tell you this for free. Way that's a
Speaker 3: viving down there, even for like three days, Like this doesn't.
Speaker 4: Make any sense.
Speaker 2: And also I wonder if narratively you'll be like, well,
Speaker 2: the scrolls have a way of keeping them alive.
Speaker 1: I think that we're going to get that scrolls had
Speaker 1: the vest radiation.
Speaker 2: Well, that would change the whole course of the world.
Speaker 2: So I hope that we get a fallout from that
Speaker 2: pun intended.
Speaker 1: So we see among the notables are Colonizer every I.
Speaker 3: Was really hoping he was dead. I didn't need him
Speaker 3: to come.
Speaker 1: To Rody, and we learned that Roady has apparently been
Speaker 1: down there for what is termed.
Speaker 3: A long long time. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: I'll say this everybody else when they get up is
Speaker 1: they're shaky, you know, but they have no problem. He's
Speaker 1: still like limping. I wonder if it's like post Civil war,
Speaker 1: like in the wake of Civil War.
Speaker 2: They got him, that's crazy, and they just had to
Speaker 2: keep replacing different people like that.
Speaker 1: Scroll was probably too messed up to a role, so
Speaker 1: they got Tivity Dalton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of questions coming out
Speaker 2: of this about the real and I guess they set
Speaker 2: it up with the end that you could potentially end
Speaker 2: up in a situation where it was like.
Speaker 3: Oh, the scrolls.
Speaker 2: You know, we're going to do a hearing on the
Speaker 2: scroll so you can say, like, who, how long were.
Speaker 3: You in there? The scroll?
Speaker 4: New scrollers for like.
Speaker 2: Roady, who was wearing those fancy Iron Man pants that
Speaker 2: Tony Stark wore for you like.
Speaker 3: Was it you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Was it a scroll?
Speaker 4: Do scrolls have that technology?
Speaker 2: And is that then going to be the source of
Speaker 2: conflict in Armor Wars, which we've always been wondering how
Speaker 2: they were going to do it. I would hope they
Speaker 2: go for a more back to basics vibe for arm Awards,
Speaker 2: because one of my favorite comic arts of all time,
Speaker 2: and I don't think it needs.
Speaker 3: The secret invasion touch.
Speaker 2: But I'm very interested because it seems like Roady is
Speaker 2: the one who's most like, what the fuck's going on?
Speaker 1: I would imagine, I mean, who knows what they'll do.
Speaker 1: I think a kind of cool effectiveness would be that
Speaker 1: Rody's career is probably fucked because people are going to
Speaker 1: be like, well, yes, you were being impersonated by a scroll,
Speaker 1: but now nobody trusts him, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this in a way, this is actually
Speaker 2: the closest that we've gotten to real secret invasion. Is
Speaker 2: like now people know this is going to happen, because,
Speaker 2: as we will get to in a minute, Ritzen is
Speaker 2: an unhinged maniact like.
Speaker 1: N is eating red meat.
Speaker 2: He's folks gone wild, and he is like obviously going
Speaker 2: to start this kind of secret invasion fallout star War
Speaker 2: where it's like you can't trust anyone. Rody was a scroll.
Speaker 2: Everyone was a scroll, So that could be the fallout
Speaker 2: we get. That's much closer to the comics, Yes that
Speaker 2: you know than this.
Speaker 1: So Ritson makes a speech in his hospital room and
Speaker 1: not clear if it's the one that Scrody wrote for
Speaker 1: him or if he put edits on.
Speaker 2: Off the Dome's freestyl.
Speaker 1: It's a cipher from President Whinson and he's got some
Speaker 1: bangers in there. He says something to the effect of,
Speaker 1: we know how to find you. We will hunt every
Speaker 1: last one of you down, and we will kill every
Speaker 1: last one of you. Imagine the American president going on
Speaker 1: television and just saying flat out We're gonna kill you all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the most bonkers things, because especially
Speaker 2: something we've been talking about is like, it doesn't really
Speaker 2: feel like there's been a good scope in this show
Speaker 2: shown of like how people would react to another alien
Speaker 2: invasion post the Chatari. You feel like it would be
Speaker 2: like a global news frenzy. But this has been incredibly interior.
Speaker 2: So now not only is it like he's going on
Speaker 2: and he's not like my fellow Americans, like I'm here
Speaker 2: to tell you of a shape shifting alien threat.
Speaker 3: But we also have allies within this community. He's like, Bro,
Speaker 3: there's aliens. I'm gonna kill them. He's every Alien.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you're a Scroll, doesn't matter, if
Speaker 2: you're Chatari, doesn't matter, if you're Captain Marvel, doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if you're.
Speaker 4: Create like you're getting killed.
Speaker 1: No, He's like, He's like, the came for me, and
Speaker 1: that's it. They fucked up because I'm still alive. So
Speaker 1: fucking around and find out, fuck around and find out
Speaker 1: every scroll out there. What are you gonna do when
Speaker 1: you go to sleep and I'm still trying to murder
Speaker 1: you, You better sleep with one eye open because President Ritson
Speaker 1: is coming. Fury finally apologizes to his wife Vara for
Speaker 1: years and years and years and years of not calling,
Speaker 1: of not hanging out, of basically neglecting her, and he
Speaker 1: basically admits in a kind of a very very roundabout
Speaker 1: way that he loves her for who she is the
Speaker 1: not the disguise she puts on. Sonya recruits Gaya to
Speaker 1: whatever sis her New Ork.
Speaker 2: No, No, I have to say, I did think this
Speaker 2: was missing. This is one of those moments where I
Speaker 2: feel like they kind of they forget what makes people
Speaker 2: excited about the MCU, because she essentially it looks like,
Speaker 2: I guess they shake hands, but it looks like she's
Speaker 2: almost handing her a cod and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: is it gonna say like am I three? Like is
Speaker 2: it gonna be be like a connection to this organization,
Speaker 2: but it's more of just like an acknowledged like okay,
Speaker 2: And I did like, of course, Olivia Kleman has been
Speaker 2: the highlight of this show to me, and I kind
Speaker 2: of liked the moment where she said, like, let's not
Speaker 2: mess up like your father and Fury did and make
Speaker 2: it about friendship and love.
Speaker 3: Let's just use each other and.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use you and you're gonna use me, and
Speaker 2: hopefully that will end with us being in a situation
Speaker 2: where our people are safe. And I thought that was
Speaker 2: a good character moment. But I feel like, again in
Speaker 2: the odd days, you would have got like a shield.
Speaker 3: Card or something, you know.
Speaker 2: I feel like there was something missing there to tell
Speaker 2: people what to expect.
Speaker 3: I think it's because with Guya.
Speaker 2: They've essentially created like it. People thought that Amelia was
Speaker 2: maybe gonna be like Varianki, like the scroll embersors, so
Speaker 2: they've kind of put themselves in a situation of crafting
Speaker 2: a very new vision of a Scroll leader that they,
Speaker 2: I guess don't necessarily have a lot to point in
Speaker 2: the direction of like this is what's coming next.
Speaker 1: Fury then called written on the phone and it's like,
Speaker 1: hey man, crazy speech that you made. I'm watching you.
Speaker 1: You better watch it because that speech has inspired like
Speaker 1: militias around the globes just like gunned down.
Speaker 3: People just kill him.
Speaker 1: Journalists and uh and politicians and some of them are scrolls, true,
Speaker 1: but then others are like not and you just.
Speaker 3: Some of them are like chill scrolls who didn't want
Speaker 3: to invade you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now all the now, all the good scrolls
Speaker 1: are like going over to the other side and this
Speaker 1: is just like all bad uh, and we need to
Speaker 1: stop this.
Speaker 4: Also, can I.
Speaker 2: Just say, whos among us can call the President of
Speaker 2: America and be like you better watch out and like
Speaker 2: threaten his life and Nick Fury's still just standing like
Speaker 2: again severe security issues around President Ritza and like really bad.
Speaker 1: So then and by the way, that could have been
Speaker 1: in my opinion, you can have fixed that with just
Speaker 1: like you show Fury with like a cell phone and
Speaker 1: he puts like some gadget.
Speaker 2: On yeah, yeah, yeah, something like yeah earlier you see
Speaker 2: Ritzy and give him a bonafide He's like, you're the
Speaker 2: only one who I trust or somebody anyway.
Speaker 1: So ritz AND's like, well, if you love scroll so much,
Speaker 1: then tell them to get the fuck off my planet.
Speaker 1: My planet is a little presumptuous. We see that Sonya
Speaker 1: and Gaya their first kind of mission, I.
Speaker 3: Guess that's just happening right now.
Speaker 1: It's just happening right now is to like find all
Speaker 1: the scroll labs where I guess it would. They don't
Speaker 1: really go into us. But apparently what Gravic had been
Speaker 1: doing is he had all these like storage facilities of
Speaker 1: I guess, powerful smart people, and he was just like
Speaker 1: brain draining and taking on their memory, like how maybe
Speaker 1: like you, how to do things.
Speaker 2: Some of them were really small and powerful, and some
Speaker 2: of them were like civilians, because that would explain how
Speaker 2: the scrolls had so many different faces, like and so
Speaker 2: many different personalities that they could kind of drop in
Speaker 2: and out of. But yeah, that was an unexpected ending
Speaker 2: that I didn't necessarily understand the impact of. But basically,
Speaker 2: there's a lot more scrolls and humans being harvested for
Speaker 2: scroll stuff than you thought, right.
Speaker 1: And she and Sonya says, this is how the enemy
Speaker 1: got so good and you know these rooms are just
Speaker 1: like there's like two hundred people just asleep, farting ino.
Speaker 3: Oh, it would stink terrible.
Speaker 2: Also, like what about like if they need to like
Speaker 2: pee and stuff, they just exactly I think it would
Speaker 2: be really bad.
Speaker 3: It would be terrible to be in that room.
Speaker 4: ID.
Speaker 3: I don't want to go there.
Speaker 1: Fury is then gonna take Ritson's advice himself and leave
Speaker 1: the planet. So he's like, Okay, I'm gonna leave his spaceship.
Speaker 1: You see a light come down.
Speaker 2: That's wrong with this man though, Like, honestly, I want
Speaker 2: to go back to space.
Speaker 4: Ending of this if.
Speaker 2: You've if you've ever watched the extremely popular American sitcom
Speaker 2: called ALF, about the alien life.
Speaker 1: Form that a cat eating alien.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cat eating alien who lives with a family, I
Speaker 2: just want to say, the end of this episode really
Speaker 2: looks like the kind of finale of ALF, where he's
Speaker 2: like gonna escape to his family.
Speaker 3: So I feel like they were really lead they were
Speaker 3: like ALF.
Speaker 2: That's a high bar of quality for prestige television. But
Speaker 2: I just need to say Nick Fury Cara Danvers same problem.
Speaker 2: I understand why they get a along so well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: both of these people just go off to space anytime
Speaker 2: their family needs them.
Speaker 4: They're like, fuck you, peace out, I'm going to space.
Speaker 2: Carol Danver's girlfriend, Monica Rambo's mom, She's like, I've been
Speaker 2: raising our child here, Like, what's going on. I understand,
Speaker 2: just as a disclaimer with an asterisk, they are not
Speaker 2: clinically girlfriends, but I've seen the movie, so I know
Speaker 2: that they're in love.
Speaker 3: And like, even as a friend, she's like, Hey, what's
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 2: I spent like all my years of my life raising
Speaker 2: my door and people thinking I'm crazy because I've been
Speaker 2: saying you're still out there. And Carol's like, must suck
Speaker 2: for you. I got to go back into space. Nick
Speaker 2: Fury his wife, his secret wife. He hasn't seen him
Speaker 2: for like five six years. He's like, oh, sorry, I
Speaker 2: know I'm back now, but I guess I've got to
Speaker 2: go back to space again.
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Speaker 1: So he's about to go back to space, but then
Speaker 1: Varra pulls up uh, and he's like, why don't come
Speaker 1: with me. Let's just like we this is long overdue.
Speaker 1: Let's just go back to space. Let's like have a
Speaker 1: vacation in space. You're from space, I've been living in space.
Speaker 1: Let's just do this together. And she's like, no, my
Speaker 1: work is here is too important, which I took to
Speaker 1: me and she didn't really explain it, but I took
Speaker 1: that to mean like binding the wounds of the scroll
Speaker 1: people through some kind of.
Speaker 2: Leaders maybe taking accountability for like being part of graphics
Speaker 2: life and kind of like trying to make things right.
Speaker 1: She then takes on her scroll form and he tells
Speaker 1: her that he loves her the way she is, and
Speaker 1: they kiss and she looks like a scroll and then
Speaker 1: after saying that my work here is too important, she
Speaker 1: then gets on the spaceship with Nick.
Speaker 2: You're romantic honeymoon they made for each other. She's like, also,
Speaker 2: peace out, I don't care about these sculls.
Speaker 1: To me, why did why in the one line earlier
Speaker 1: does she say my work here is too important And
Speaker 1: then the very next thing that happens is she's getting
Speaker 1: beamed up with Nick Togever.
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess the implication is like Nick is
Speaker 2: more important than her work. But also like, one, this
Speaker 2: is a very toxic relationship. I just did to say,
Speaker 2: like they do not treat each other.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Two, Nick Furrey, you can't just go back to space
Speaker 2: like you just started a scroll human war.
Speaker 3: The president just declared war on scrolls. You case it out.
Speaker 1: The President is saying we will kill every single alien
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: And Nick Fury was like he came down and he
Speaker 2: was like, well, guess I've admitted I'll never find a
Speaker 2: home for scrolls. So I'm gonna go back up to
Speaker 2: space now while the President tries to kill everyone.
Speaker 3: This seems really bad. And also like what about the Avengers.
Speaker 3: Just give him a call.
Speaker 2: You didn't even have to pay Chris Evans to pick
Speaker 2: up the phone and record something over the phone like
Speaker 2: he was stephen An eric In like a talking cat, right,
Speaker 2: You could have just you could have just literally had
Speaker 2: a phone call of Nick Fury being like, I really
Speaker 2: messed up like, I'm gonna need you guys to come
Speaker 2: and clean up. But now we just went to space
Speaker 2: on a romantic honeymoon.
Speaker 3: Tatos is dead.
Speaker 1: He's gonna make Taylors can I okay, so I have
Speaker 1: here's a dangling thread that I was so sure was
Speaker 1: foreshadowing and then wasn't. So I don't understand why it's
Speaker 1: in this. But when Nick and Sonya were talking about
Speaker 1: the Widow's Veil and oh my gosh, She's like, why
Speaker 1: don't you get the kind that does the whole body?
Speaker 1: They have that now and he's like, no, but this
Speaker 1: is the beta version. They do have that new one,
Speaker 1: but I don't have it. It seemed like, okay, here
Speaker 1: we're gonna get here.
Speaker 3: He's gonna sneak in his guy out.
Speaker 2: And I know also as well, like it just makes
Speaker 2: Chekhov's veil. Yeah, it makes no sense because like that
Speaker 2: was something you'd spoken about really early on in the series.
Speaker 3: Oh, how are they gonna use the veil?
Speaker 2: They literally have a power that can give them the
Speaker 2: same power as scrolls, And we see a music one's
Speaker 2: going through an airport and then it's just like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's even a more fancy one. That you could use
Speaker 2: it changes your whole body. That sounds useful. No, there's
Speaker 2: not useful. There's no foreshadowing, and instead we're gonna get Guya.
Speaker 3: Pretending to be Nick Fury.
Speaker 1: It was very strange.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, I think here's the thing that I think could
Speaker 1: be cool in the wake of this is clearly the
Speaker 1: scrolls need leadership. Guya, I guess would be the natural
Speaker 1: one Vara if she comes back from space with Nick.
Speaker 1: But like you know, we've now like established this like
Speaker 1: center of policination, this nasignation of scrolls. There's still upwards
Speaker 1: of a million of them on the planet. Like that's
Speaker 1: a cool like center of power to be reckoned with
Speaker 1: going forward into the MCU when we know that they're
Speaker 1: gonna unveil mutants sooner or later. There's now all these
Speaker 1: other kind of powered folks who can influence events, and
Speaker 1: I think if they really tap into that, that could
Speaker 1: be kind of cool.
Speaker 3: That could be cool.
Speaker 2: It should be like a world shifting change for the MCU,
Speaker 2: because this is essentially going to establish what the original
Speaker 2: Secret Invasion comics established, which is like people won't trust
Speaker 2: heroes because scrolls can have hero powers. So that's really cool,
Speaker 2: But honestly that should have been established in the show,
Speaker 2: not as a potential going forward.
Speaker 1: Who was the like the mainstream scroll politician who in
Speaker 1: full scroll form goes on TV and is like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I know, you guys are scared of us, but actually
Speaker 1: we've been like doing really important shit for the American
Speaker 1: government for years, Like we put together the Avengers. Basically
Speaker 1: we put Nick Fury like into the leadership of We
Speaker 1: did all this stuff, and we're your friends, and we're
Speaker 1: here to live amongst you. We can live in abandoned
Speaker 1: nuclear power plants and like radioactive dom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't even need to take your housing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can live where like where the worst toxic
Speaker 1: chemicals are. We just put us there and can we
Speaker 1: live there. That would be a very interesting wrinkle going forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very interested to see where they go with it,
Speaker 2: especially because they went so far from the comics with
Speaker 2: this one.
Speaker 3: It will be really interesting to see.
Speaker 2: And this once again, if we're talking about long term
Speaker 2: you know you mentioned mutants, this is gonna or it could,
Speaker 2: I won't say definitely. This could establish more of that
Speaker 2: hate and fear that you need for the X Men
Speaker 2: to exist. You have Ritzen who's an anti alien president
Speaker 2: who soon will probably become an anti powered people president
Speaker 2: once he learns about the super Scrolls, and then you
Speaker 2: end up in a situation where you could do I
Speaker 2: think part of the reason that Figi and co were
Speaker 2: cool with Jessica erasing the Socovia records is so you
Speaker 2: could really have like a mutant Registration Act and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So it will be very interesting to see
Speaker 2: where it goes. But also I read there was a
Speaker 2: great article at Marvel dot com by Meghan more about
Speaker 2: it was like an oral history of the Secret Invasion comics,
Speaker 2: and in it I learned that Brian Miles really it's
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 3: And it's so so in depth, And one of.
Speaker 2: My favorite things I learned was that Brian Michael Bendis
Speaker 2: wanted to originally call the book just scrolls.
Speaker 3: With an exclamation point. They should have just called this
Speaker 3: show Scrolls and.
Speaker 2: Then like you leave Secret Invasion for whenever you do
Speaker 2: it like it's it's it's a truly. One of the
Speaker 2: biggest flaws, I believe is using a comic that, even
Speaker 2: for people who weren't in comic shops, that is one
Speaker 2: of those comics where you know.
Speaker 3: What it was.
Speaker 1: It was a really cool one. I remember when it
Speaker 1: was unfurling. At the time, it was really cool. Here's
Speaker 1: another here's another wrinkle for you. What if, like, the
Speaker 1: first mutant that gets out it is mystique because everybody's
Speaker 1: already so Scrolls and sheep shifters, right, So all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they discover the shape shifter that's not the alien.
Speaker 1: We only ever seen Loki really be able to stuff
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: And like that, and most people like don't necessarily know
Speaker 2: that he is like this god like car.
Speaker 3: He's in the Avengers Crew.
Speaker 1: So what if it's that they like flush out mystique
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, what
Speaker 1: the tell? There's That's a pretty good call.
Speaker 2: Also, I do wonder if there's some way that this
Speaker 2: ties in with the Marvels, because even though those characters
Speaker 2: are not shape shifters, we are going to see in
Speaker 2: the wake of this scroll invasion. We are then going
Speaker 2: to see these three characters who keep transforming into each other.
Speaker 2: And if that was perceived by a public who knew
Speaker 2: about Scrolls, they may believe that they are shape shifters.
Speaker 2: And today I'm going to put a mild spoiler, Well,
Speaker 2: a big spoiler warning here if you haven't read your
Speaker 2: Marvel comics yet today, but by the time on Friday
Speaker 2: you listen to this, hopefully you will. They revealed today
Speaker 2: that shot Horror Kamala Khan is alive, as we knew.
Speaker 3: Thanks, yea, we were right.
Speaker 2: But also like Imman Vallani who plays Miss Marvel, she's
Speaker 2: right co writing the comics and that was announced recently.
Speaker 2: And the interesting thing there is she's going to be
Speaker 2: mutant and inhuman, So I think we could also see
Speaker 2: something coming in where the inhumans do get to be
Speaker 2: a part of the mc You and I think the
Speaker 2: Marvels could be that big important story that people have
Speaker 2: kind of been waiting for this year within the MCU.
Speaker 4: So it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 1: You think Written is hot, Now wait until he finds
Speaker 1: out that there are aliens on the Moon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just chilling. There a very weird.
Speaker 2: Monarchy and they can give people powers with a special
Speaker 2: mist Written will be very stressed up next nerd Out.
Speaker 2: In today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you
Speaker 2: love and why, a theory you're excited to share, or
Speaker 2: a quick question we can answer, Tarn offers a very timely.
Speaker 3: Secret invasion theory.
Speaker 1: Let's hear it.
Speaker 2: I have a nerd out question slash possible theory about
Speaker 2: secret invasion and Shee Holk. In Sheeholk, we were led
Speaker 2: to believe Hulk King is trying to get Jen's blood.
Speaker 2: Is it possible the Scrolls want her DNA or a
Speaker 2: whole powers too close to the strength Scrolls already have.
Speaker 2: It just feels like someone trying to steal Jen's DNA
Speaker 2: is too similar to the Scrolls using DNA to become
Speaker 2: super Scrolls. Love listening to you guys, Love the podcast, Taren.
Speaker 2: I love this question.
Speaker 1: Yes, because she Hulk was.
Speaker 2: Not in the end game Battle for Earth.
Speaker 3: So it would make sense.
Speaker 1: It would make a lot of.
Speaker 2: Somebody may have been involved with the Scrolls plan. And
Speaker 2: because Jen is stronger we learn in seaholk It she
Speaker 2: can control it. So if you were gonna have a
Speaker 2: whole DNA, she would be the better, more useful DNA
Speaker 2: to have.
Speaker 1: I love the idea that that there are other Scrolls
Speaker 1: in other shows that we just have not exactly we
Speaker 1: have not unveiled yet. I still believe that Kingpin is
Speaker 1: a scroll.
Speaker 2: It would make so much sense with how he came
Speaker 2: in with those powers.
Speaker 1: So I love that theory. It's really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's so fun, Taran. I think this
Speaker 2: could be a we were right for the ages, so
Speaker 2: we'll have to see soon. And if you have theories, passions,
Speaker 2: or a quick question that you want to share, hit
Speaker 2: us up at x ray at crooker dot com. Instructions
Speaker 2: in the show notes.
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