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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, February fifth, and another

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Speaker 1: development in the case of missing Nancy Guthrie. Her family

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Speaker 1: is now pleading with kidnappers to call them and they're

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Speaker 1: asking for proof of life. And with that, welcome to

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Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Rose.

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Speaker 1: This has taken some like I'm sorry that I have

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Speaker 1: never seen anything like this in real life. I have

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Speaker 1: seen this play out in Hollywood movies. They are trying

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Speaker 1: to negotiate with potential kidnappers out there for a ransom

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Speaker 1: for their mother.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And they put this plea out on social media,

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Speaker 2: and it was surreal. It was so strange to see

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Speaker 2: someone we know and we love in the center of

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Speaker 2: something that, yes, reads like a Hollywood script. It's hard

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Speaker 2: to imagine this is actually happening, happening in real life,

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Speaker 2: and they're they're speaking to a would be potential kidnapper.

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Speaker 2: As far as we know, as far as authorities have

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Speaker 2: told us, we don't even know for sure. They don't

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Speaker 2: even know for sure if there is an abductor holding

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Speaker 2: their mom for ransom. There have been ransom notes, but

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Speaker 2: they haven't been authenticated or verified.

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Speaker 1: Let's be clear, there nothing about this story has changed

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Speaker 1: from the official standpoint of the police. They are not

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Speaker 1: telling us that there is a kidnapper. They're not telling

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Speaker 1: us that there is a ransom. They're not telling us

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Speaker 1: that any of these notes are real. We don't know,

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Speaker 1: and roads looking at this now four minute long video

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Speaker 1: that the family put out, it seems like they don't

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Speaker 2: The thing that struck me because yes, they they obviously

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Speaker 2: have more information than we have. I would believe that

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Speaker 2: the Guthrie family would be the only other group of

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Speaker 2: people outside of law enforcement who actually know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: So for them to decide and take this step to

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Speaker 2: make this very emotional video pleading with a kidnapper and

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Speaker 2: speaking directly to their mom, that tells me that they

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Speaker 2: have reason to believe it's possible or even likely, that

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Speaker 1: And somebody is potentially watching and listening. So this did

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Speaker 1: happen last night. It went out four minute long video

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Speaker 1: on social media. I believe it was on Instagram that

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Speaker 1: they released this. But this was Savannah Guthrie sitting in

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Speaker 1: statement that the family did have now Rose she started

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Speaker 1: the video, and I was wondering what you thought of

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Speaker 1: it as well, not just making a plea, but telling

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Speaker 1: us a little something about her, like describing her and

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Speaker 1: how clever she is and how spunky she is. That

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Speaker 1: seemed intentional, is the first thing they did in the video.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's intentional is the right word, because what it

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Speaker 2: seems like they were doing literally basing this off of

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Speaker 2: movies I've watched. But yeah, they're humanizing their mom. So

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Speaker 2: the strategy or the tactic I imagine, would be that whoever

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Speaker 2: full of kindness and knowledge. They're really trying to appeal.

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Speaker 2: I think they're not trying to tell us the public

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Speaker 1: I guess the key here. The thing that jumped out

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Speaker 1: get through all of it. Initially, you see the emotional please,

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Speaker 1: So we'll tell you now exactly what Savannah Guthrie did say.

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Speaker 1: She did mention, of course, her mom is eighty four

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Speaker 1: was a powerful line to say, it's not just about

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Speaker 1: her health, she's wildly uncomfortable. Please, you're torturing her. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I got chills even hearing you reread what Savannah said.

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Speaker 2: She said, yeah, she's without any medicine. She needs it

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Speaker 1: But she went on and this was the key. She

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Speaker 1: is making an appeal directly to potential kidnappers out there,

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Speaker 1: robes and again the way she said it, and there

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Speaker 1: proof of life now. She acknowledged where we are in

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Speaker 1: the world these days, that images that voices even can

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Speaker 1: You're going to have to take an extra step to

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Speaker 1: get involved in any kind of conversation. That almost suggested

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Speaker 1: to me Robes that they don't put too much credence

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so here is what Savannah said to any would

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Speaker 2: be kidnappers out there. We too have heard the reports

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Speaker 2: about a ransom letter in the media. As a family,

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Speaker 2: we are doing everything that we can. We are ready

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Speaker 2: to talk. However, we live in a world where voices

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Speaker 2: a doubt that she is alive and that you have her.

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Speaker 2: We want to hear from you, and we are ready

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Speaker 2: to listen. Please reach out to us. That was stunning.

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Speaker 1: So she is the communication at this point, Robes is

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Speaker 1: one way from the Guthries to the potential kidnappers. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't sound like they feel like that have heard from

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Speaker 2: Point, and I would think that this would all have

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Speaker 2: the bottom of whatever has happened, so I would imagine

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Speaker 2: the police would have signed off on this, or they

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Speaker 2: would have said, you know what, give it a try,

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Speaker 2: it can't hurt. I'm thinking that police had to have

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Speaker 2: signed off on this. So given all they know, it's

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Speaker 2: interesting this is the tactic they are now taking four

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's probably fair. They would have cleared this.

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Speaker 1: Of course the family can do what they want to do.

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Speaker 1: But the police said we think this would hurt if

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Speaker 1: to think that this is the part that they think

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Speaker 1: this is a good investigative tool. Right now, this is

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Speaker 1: a bizarre Where is this woman Robes? If she is alive,

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Speaker 1: she has to be kept somewhere, housed and cared for

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Speaker 1: for now five plus days. Where is she No sign

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Speaker 1: walking at Where is Nancy Guthrie Robes? In your mind,

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Speaker 1: you don't want it to go to the wrong place

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Speaker 1: or a dark place, but she has to. If she's alive,

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Speaker 1: someone is caring for her in a facility. They have

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Speaker 2: Hell, yeah, this is so. I just feel sick to

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Speaker 2: the more desperate this family becomes, and the more concerned

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Speaker 2: heard Savannah and Annie actually her sister, speak directly to

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Speaker 2: to see their or hear their words. But Savannah said

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Speaker 2: She was very emotional. She said, Mommy, if you are

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Speaker 2: hearing this, you are a strong woman. You are God's

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Speaker 2: precious daughter. Nan See, we believe and know that even

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Speaker 2: in this valley, he is with you. Everyone is looking

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Speaker 2: for you. Mommy. We will not rest, your children will

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Speaker 2: not rest until we are together again. We speak to

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Speaker 2: you every moment, and we will pray without ceasing, and

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Speaker 2: we rejoice in advance the day we hold you in

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Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is torturous for this family.

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Speaker 1: It's only you can imagine, but robes where it did?

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Speaker 1: It is? It's a mystery beyond. Maybe this makes no

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Speaker 1: sense at all. So there was not an official press

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Speaker 1: I had to put out a statement because robes the

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Speaker 1: story we talk about. Because there's not a lot of

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Speaker 1: official information coming out, people are filling the void. I's

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Speaker 1: eight people. Well, we're in a twenty four hour news

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Speaker 1: it's just a constant. Everybody's looking for new information. There's

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Speaker 1: This happened yesterday with words starting to circulate. At least

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Speaker 1: a source saying who the suspect, the prime suspect was,

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Speaker 1: and the sheriff had to address that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we should point out a notable three decades

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Speaker 2: long journalist, she's an independent journalist now, Ashley Bamfield is

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Speaker 2: the one who went on her podcast saying that she

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Speaker 2: had a source from a high level suggesting that Savannah

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Speaker 2: Guthrie's brother in law, her sister Annie's husband maybe could

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Speaker 2: be a prime suspect. And as you imagine, the internet

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Speaker 2: went wild with that, so much so that the Sheriff's

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Speaker 2: despite saying they didn't want to talk to the media

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Speaker 2: and said, this just isn't true. We have no suspects,

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Speaker 2: completely shot down Ashley Banfield's reporting.

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Speaker 1: And again that's he has This is but second or

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Speaker 1: But Rod, you couple that now with what we saw

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Speaker 1: What that means I don't know, but at two homes,

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Speaker 2: Yes, if you were watching television last night, any news channel,

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Speaker 2: you could see the reporters that were live outside all

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Speaker 2: night last night because it was a dramatic scene. Suddenly

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Speaker 2: police had said they had returned the house back over

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Speaker 2: to the Guthrie family. Suddenly, now crime scene tape is

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Speaker 2: back up. Investigators are out there combing inside and outside

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Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie's home, but also Annie Guthrie's home as well,

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Speaker 2: So people were pointing to that as well, and look,

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Speaker 2: I thought it was really notable because we saw Annie

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Speaker 2: They obviously have heard or read some of these reports.

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Speaker 2: And she was there and she spoke as well to camera,

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Speaker 2: talking to her mom, and I think that was significant

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Speaker 2: I would think, from a public relations standpoint, a way

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Speaker 2: that Savannah's sister or at least her husband could possibly

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Speaker 1: I mean, it makes sense for the siblings to be there,

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Speaker 1: whether they're trying to combat anything publicly or not. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess on the outside those conversations are going on.

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Speaker 1: On the inside, it's probably just the family trying to

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Speaker 1: get their mama home. That's possibly that's all there is.

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Speaker 1: The sheriff did address talking about the searches that are

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Speaker 1: put that out, it's kind of a heads up to

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Speaker 1: the media that parking is limited and we're going to

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Speaker 1: It just didn't speak to the urgency they told us

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Speaker 1: So we also heard from the President, I mean he

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Speaker 2: Yes, he said, I spoke with Savannah Guthrie and let

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Speaker 2: The prayers of our nation are with her and her family.

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Speaker 2: He put this in all caps aps. God bless and

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Speaker 2: protect Nancy. It's nice, It's very nice.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's I appreciated. Nothing to be said. We

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Speaker 2: Thanks again, in these moments, it's thank goodness we can

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Speaker 2: find this woman, and I'm sure the family I'm Savannah

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Speaker 1: All right, coach, Folks were keeping an eye on this

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Speaker 1: spending the time with us. We'll keep you updated now

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