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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to start.

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Speaker 1: Off with an apology for the lack of monologue on

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Speaker 1: Monday's show. I skip monologue sometimes when I'm on vacation

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Speaker 1: or traveling, and I let you guys know.

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Speaker 2: But this was a bit different.

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Speaker 1: After the last few episodes of talking about how elections

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Speaker 1: make people crazy, Donald Trump was the target of a

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Speaker 1: second assassination attempt on Sunday. My friend John Cardillo actually

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Speaker 1: broke the story on X and there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of confusion about what had happened. The early reports were

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Speaker 1: that there was a shootout outside the golf course where

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Speaker 1: he was playing in West Palm Beach that had nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with the president. After nearly three years in Florida,

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Speaker 1: our anniversary is coming up in January. I'm not an expert,

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Speaker 1: but I've spent some time in West Palm Beach and

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Speaker 1: it's it's not a place where daytime shootouts are a thing,

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Speaker 1: even in the sketchy areas, So that a story immediately

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Speaker 1: sounded suspicious to me. And then I got a tip,

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Speaker 1: a very reliable tip. It was a picture of the

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Speaker 1: would be shooter as he was being arrested by police.

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Speaker 2: I posted his photo.

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Speaker 1: On my social media on x and some information that

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Speaker 1: I had about him, and then my day just blew up.

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Speaker 2: It got millions of views.

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Speaker 1: My phone started ringing and didn't stop. I went on

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Speaker 1: making Kelly's Show on Sunday as the news was breaking,

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Speaker 1: and then on Clay and Buck the following day. Breaking

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Speaker 1: news isn't my beat per se, but I have done

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Speaker 1: it in a few high profile cases in the past.

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Speaker 1: It's extremely nerve racking. I mean, what if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: I'm a columnist.

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Speaker 1: That's my day job. I write my opinion. I don't

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Speaker 1: worry too much about being wrong.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I.

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Speaker 1: Still have facts with my opinions, but I double and

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Speaker 1: triple check everything, and look, I've had opinions I no

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Speaker 1: longer hold. But that just means I get to write

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Speaker 1: another column on how I got to the new opinions

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Speaker 1: and why I discarded the old ones. Breaking news is

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Speaker 1: a totally different animal. There's also the avalanche of hate

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Speaker 1: that comes with being a public figure in general. But

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Speaker 1: when one of your posts gets millions of views, it

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Speaker 1: really brings out the crazies, especially if that post is

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Speaker 1: about an attempted assassination of a presidential candidate. I posted

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Speaker 1: this on my socials, But if you enjoy someone's work,

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Speaker 1: not just mine, anybody you follow that is living a

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Speaker 1: public life, do your best to support them. We get

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Speaker 1: a lot of bad stuff thrown in us, and look,

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Speaker 1: I still think it's worth it. I still love what

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Speaker 1: I do, but some days it does get hard. All

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Speaker 1: the ways to support my work, mostly for free, is

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Speaker 1: in my pin tweet on X And another thing you

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Speaker 1: can do, obviously again not just for me, is retweet

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Speaker 1: people comment on their stuff, subscribe to their podcast, leave

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Speaker 1: them reviews. All of it's free, doesn't take a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of effort, and it's very appreciative.

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Speaker 1: The pin tweet on X it involves listening to the

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Speaker 1: show or subscribing to my substack. Nothing crazy anyway. That's

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Speaker 1: why I didn't have a monologue. I was knee deep

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Speaker 1: in the attempted assassination story and I ran out of

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Speaker 1: time to record it. To make it all up to you,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you something that isn't otherwise public yet.

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Speaker 1: Launching this Tuesday, I'm going to start a second podcast,

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Speaker 1: this one about politics, and I'll be co hosting with

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Speaker 1: my good friend Mary Catherine Ham. I'm still going to

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Speaker 1: continue doing this show, which is largely not about politics,

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Speaker 1: but especially now I need a political outlet too, and

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Speaker 1: MK and I have very similar worldviews. We hope to

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Speaker 1: be funny and to bring you perspectives you don't hear

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Speaker 1: anywhere else. The show is called Normally. It will run

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Speaker 1: on the same network as this, the Klay, Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton podcast network on iHeartRadio. It will be posted

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Speaker 1: on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and just like this show, you

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Speaker 1: can hear it anywhere you get your podcasts. We talk

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Speaker 1: about balance a lot on this show. I think it's

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Speaker 1: important to take breaks from politics, as I try to

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Speaker 1: do on the Carol Marcowitz Show, but there's also time

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Speaker 1: to talk about the political issues, the election, horse race

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Speaker 1: and so on. We'll be doing that at the Normally

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Speaker 1: podcast and hope you will subscribe when it's up. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for listening. I appreciate you all so much.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next an interview with T Beckett Adams.

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Speaker 2: Join us after the break.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My

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Speaker 3: guest today is T Beckett Adams. Beckett is the program

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Speaker 3: director of the National Journalism Center, and he's a columnist

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Speaker 3: at The Hill, National Review and The Washington Examiner.

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Speaker 2: I Beckett, so nice to have you on.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Carol, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: So I know that.

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Speaker 3: This is something that maybe people tell you a lot,

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Speaker 3: but you're really one of my favorite people to follow

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Speaker 3: on X And I was thinking about this, is that

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Speaker 3: a compliment?

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Speaker 4: Are people?

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Speaker 2: Are people insulted by you know.

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Speaker 3: Like I associate you in having a really good like

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Speaker 3: Twitter feed, you know, you.

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Speaker 4: Know what, I take it as a compliment. Now. I

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Speaker 4: think back in like twenty twelve, twenty fourteen, it's like,

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Speaker 4: let me know, because you still have this mindset that

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Speaker 4: so much news is made on Twitter, and one of

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Speaker 4: So you know, and just take it as a compliment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you're just you have a really

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Speaker 2: So there's my you know, compliment and slash insult. You

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Speaker 4: You know, I'll take it. I mean I liked it

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Speaker 4: if you were trying to tell a joke, to see

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Speaker 3: But like this new you can write you know, six paragraphs.

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Speaker 4: I just version of it. I fall into journalism and

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Speaker 3: So you started there as your entry level internship or

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Speaker 4: They're right.

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Speaker 4: Politics? Culture? Although I don't I'm not really I've never

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Speaker 4: And then if I get really lucky, I get to

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Speaker 4: era and everything was unprecedented. Oh yeah, I've never been

437
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Speaker 4: here before.

438
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Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, here's the war, you know, like see,

439
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Speaker 6: we have been here for right, right, And.

440
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Speaker 4: It was always fun to kind of lean on that

441
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Speaker 4: and like maybe not tele reader or something they didn't know,

442
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Speaker 4: but maybe remind them about something they made. Like I

443
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Speaker 4: mentioned earlier about the Puerto Rican National it's shooting up

444
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Speaker 4: to Congress back in the I want to I want

445
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Speaker 4: to say nineteen fifty four. I don't know why I

446
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Speaker 4: keep them back to the year. So, you know, having

447
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Speaker 4: that knowledge and then seeing January sixth, which was bad,

448
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Speaker 4: I have to say it because otherwise if you don't,

449
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Speaker 4: people were like, did you support it? Though obviously not

450
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Speaker 4: I lived in DC, thank you very much, but like

451
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Speaker 4: have people like this is the most violent day. There's

452
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Speaker 4: like no people actually opened fire on Congress and there

453
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Speaker 4: were fire bombings. There were bombs whether underground, like it's

454
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Speaker 4: been we've seen bad. Not to excuse bad, Yeah, like

455
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Speaker 4: you have to keep things in perspective like where have

456
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Speaker 4: we been? And it's it helps you to know where

457
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Speaker 4: can we go if you know where we've been?

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Speaker 3: Right, Not to excuse the January sixth to anything, but no,

459
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Speaker 3: the idea that like, I mean, if you ask the

460
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Speaker 3: average person, they think that all those people were armed,

461
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, nobody was armed.

462
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Speaker 2: There were no arms, nobody was carrying anything.

463
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Speaker 3: Like the only person killed was killed by you know.

464
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Speaker 2: Capitol police.

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Speaker 3: So but I think people got told a story that

466
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Speaker 3: just you know, wasn't true.

467
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Speaker 2: And that's sort of the problem.

468
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Speaker 3: Also when you are when you have history and you're

469
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Speaker 3: not telling the whole story to people, I think it's

470
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Speaker 3: easy to get lost in the this has never happened before,

471
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Speaker 3: this is unprecedented when it's pretty precedented.

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Speaker 4: Right, And so it's a question of in journalism, you

473
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Speaker 4: want to be factual and you want to be accurate.

474
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Speaker 4: So there's that. But the other thing too is you

475
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Speaker 4: want to be a.

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Speaker 2: Classiction and I would hope that's what they want to be.

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Speaker 3: But I haven't seen a lot of evidence of that.

478
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Speaker 4: Well, right, well that's the idea. And also the classic

479
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Speaker 4: rule of journalism ethics is you want to do no harm.

480
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Speaker 4: The thing is, if you were constantly ratcheting up your

481
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Speaker 4: audiences and telling we're in uncharted territory when we're really not,

482
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Speaker 4: you answer, you're scaring your readers, and then readers might

483
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Speaker 4: become desperate. Readers might start to accept narrators that aren't true,

484
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Speaker 4: and then you know, we have before marched into war

485
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Speaker 4: based on things that weren't true because you got people

486
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Speaker 4: all whipped up into a frenzy. So that's sort of

487
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Speaker 4: my thing is jar six. Yes, it was bad. Also,

488
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Speaker 4: why are people inflating the death count from it? People

489
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Speaker 4: like you said there is even confirmed death that was

490
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Speaker 4: a rioter protests yeah, and by people like no, there

491
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Speaker 4: were police who died months later, and it was probably related,

492
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Speaker 4: and like the DC foreigner said, specifically to be related.

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Speaker 4: Like con also things like it's bad, why are you

494
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Speaker 4: are you trying to run up the numbers? Like, you

495
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Speaker 4: don't have to run up the numbers. It's already bad.

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Speaker 2: It's a film, you can see it exactly.

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Speaker 4: So my my sore of frustration is like you like,

498
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499
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Speaker 4: but also don't scare them and whip them into like

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Speaker 4: uh astoric frenzy? Is that dangerous as well?

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Speaker 3: Well, I just feel like when I see somebody reading

527
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Speaker 3: The New York Times, I sort of feel bad for

528
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Speaker 3: them because like they're going to find out the truth

529
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Speaker 3: in a few months when it's okay, like you know,

530
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Speaker 3: just things like I mean, anything right, and just the

531
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Speaker 3: COVID years obviously are are such a great.

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Speaker 2: Example of that.

533
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Speaker 3: But you know, New York Times readers had no idea

534
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Speaker 3: that a lab leak was even a remotely possible possibility

535
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Speaker 3: because that was unacceptable to talk about. So they only

536
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Speaker 3: found out much later that that was actually the reality

537
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Speaker 3: of what happened, you know, most likely and other things.

538
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Speaker 3: They just they find out things way too late. The

539
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Speaker 3: shock over Joe Biden being in bad shape, I think,

540
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Speaker 3: was another example of you know, the conservative world was

541
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Speaker 3: all over it, and New York Times readers were like,

542
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Speaker 3: what does happened? I had no idea, you know, I

543
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Speaker 3: thought it was all right wing nonsense, but.

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Speaker 4: Right I think there's two competing things there. One and

545
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Speaker 4: there are stories that if that's just the New York Times,

546
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Speaker 4: it's a lot of sort of corporated larger. I feel

547
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Speaker 4: like the older newsrooms get the lazier and flabbier they get.

548
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Speaker 4: But there are two competing reasons. One is that sometimes

549
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Speaker 4: it is politically inconvenient. They don't want to go near

550
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Speaker 4: it because it might help the bad guy, and not

551
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Speaker 4: necessarily even that they're a pro democratic is that they

552
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Speaker 4: truly fear the other side, so they were like, let's

553
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Speaker 4: not go near this because this might help them. The

554
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Speaker 4: other thing, too, is that they simply don't know. They

555
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Speaker 4: are in their own little bubbles. You've heard about it.

556
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Speaker 4: So one of my favorites, it's not actually a favorites,

557
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Speaker 4: not hah, but wasn't during the twenty six It doesn't

558
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Speaker 4: affect the mess thing. It doesn't affect them personally, that

559
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Speaker 4: doesn't really exist. So you see when people talk about

560
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Speaker 4: violence and cities, they're like my dae, yes, yes right.

561
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Speaker 4: The one of the more jarry examples of this was

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Speaker 4: during twenty sixteen when I don't know what happened, but

563
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Speaker 4: all those psychopathics or neo Nazi pepees got activated during

564
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Speaker 4: the first twenty sixteen election, and all of these reporters

565
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Speaker 4: got inundated with anti Semitic messages and hate mail and

566
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Speaker 4: all that. Yeah, and then the New York Times and

567
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Speaker 4: the washingt Post and all them started doing a turn

568
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Speaker 4: about anti semitism on social media. Well you're like jowing

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Speaker 4: a goldberg and.

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Speaker 2: Bed Yeah were like yeah, yeah, yeah, we've been saying.

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Speaker 4: But it didn't affect the New York Times or the

572
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Speaker 4: Washington Post person right now. They didn't cure Yeah there,

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Speaker 4: that's just that's just conservative infighting, not absolutely. And then

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Speaker 4: like no, then like yeah, time supports start getting it,

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Speaker 4: and then you get the trend pieces about whoa whoa

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Speaker 4: whoa anthei symptism might be a yeah on social media,

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Speaker 4: and it's like it was for I was getting anti

578
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Speaker 4: Semitic stuff.

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Speaker 3: I'm not Yeah, I was getting all the You're like,

580
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Speaker 3: I got that.

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Speaker 4: Well, I figured it. I think it's so I was

582
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Speaker 4: getting like all the gas chamber means and stuff. I

583
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Speaker 4: was I'm German, Irish cat, I know, yeah, I figured out.

584
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Speaker 4: I think the assumptions I'm in media, therefore I'm probably Jewish,

585
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Speaker 4: so I think that's just like yeah, I know, I know. Yeah,

586
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Speaker 4: It's like maybe it was like a little anti Semitic sandwich.

587
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Speaker 4: You know. It was like, right, you assume you're Jewish,

588
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Speaker 4: so be you're some epe mail. Yeah, okay.

589
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Speaker 3: So it was interesting because there was a story about

590
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Speaker 3: Maggie Haberman got anti Semitic hate mail mail to her house,

591
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Speaker 3: and she and I are actually friendly. This is not

592
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Speaker 3: a not a shot in her but she got in

593
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Speaker 3: semitic mail to her house and then and she wrote

594
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Speaker 3: about how you know it was Trump related because it

595
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Speaker 3: was after twenty sixteen, And then I realized I got

596
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Speaker 3: that same letter in like twenty fourteen, right, you know,

597
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Speaker 3: just same same style, same everything to my house. I

598
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Speaker 3: tweeted about it at the time. That's why I had

599
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Speaker 3: the date so clear, and so maybe he didn't have

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Speaker 3: anything to do with Donald Trump at all.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it got tied to him anyway.

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Speaker 4: I mean at that point, like I was saying, I

603
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Speaker 4: don't know how much you can you can blame on him, right,

604
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Speaker 4: you know, I do know in twenty sixty it did

605
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Speaker 4: get bad, like it racks it up hard.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know.

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Speaker 4: A lot of yeah, a lot of a lot of them.

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Speaker 4: No writers in National Review, especially a lot of my

609
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Speaker 4: colleagues at the Washington Examiner, especially the ones who were

610
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Speaker 4: known to be Jewish, like yeah, stuff, I don't know

611
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Speaker 4: if something got activated. I mean Donald Trump never was

612
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Speaker 4: like hey, Neil, nota she's get the jew We never

613
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Speaker 4: read anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, of course.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, mean it got ugly in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: But it's not so great right now. Let me tell you,

617
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Speaker 3: I don't know when that store.

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Speaker 4: What was that? He says, not a problem, So I'll

619
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Speaker 4: take that, take him out of his word. I mean,

620
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Speaker 4: that was a fascinating sort of conversation to follow, where

621
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Speaker 4: a number of colleagues of mine who are Jewish were like,

622
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Speaker 4: you can just walk into a church and nobody asked questions.

623
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Speaker 4: I was like, yes, is there something I oh, there's

624
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Speaker 4: a part of the American experience that I wasn't a

625
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Speaker 4: where I did not know that. Yes, so it's like

626
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Speaker 4: you're kind of trying to learn stuff, but also like

627
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Speaker 4: your mouthshut to not look ignorant. So there's that.

628
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Speaker 3: So what do you think is our largest cultural problem

629
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Speaker 3: if we're talking about some of the bad stuff going on?

630
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Speaker 4: I think two, Well, yeah, I have two. One is

631
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Speaker 4: the loneliness and despair of the American I think there's

632
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Speaker 4: a reason suicide and overdoses are such a problem. Death

633
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Speaker 4: of despair is a huge problem. I think we've this

634
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Speaker 4: is part of I mean, I can't blame boomers altogether,

635
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Speaker 4: but a lot of resentment or contempt for boomers has

636
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Speaker 4: to do with the fact that they sort of gleefully

637
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Speaker 4: destroyed a lot of cultural institutions because they thought it

638
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 4: was for you know, rasures or whatever. Yeah, and they

639
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 4: didn't replace it with anything. And so you have a

640
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 4: lot of things kind of got smashed apart, whether there

641
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Speaker 4: were clubs or churches as a sort of cultural community

642
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Speaker 4: center in small community or a small cities and towns,

643
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Speaker 4: people falling away from that, we have really had anything

644
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Speaker 4: in real life to replace it, which and then you

645
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Speaker 4: have their know the birth well, yeah, the birth of

646
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Speaker 4: the special media and the Internet. So I don't think

647
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Speaker 4: the internet and social media necessarily bad. They're tools people

648
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Speaker 4: naturally gravitate towards them. But I don't think going all

649
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Speaker 4: the way full circle to our first conversation Dot Claire

650
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Speaker 4: Twitter conversations and being on Twitter's substitute for being absolute

651
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Speaker 4: people in real life, so I congre right, I mean,

652
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Speaker 4: and people kind of get inside their own heads. You know.

653
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Speaker 4: One of my favorite lines is from Shakespeare's Caesar. He's uh,

654
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Speaker 4: warning about not brutus cash is I can't remember whoever

655
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Speaker 4: led the conspiracy. Cannot remember his name is a fine

656
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Speaker 4: time to forget it when I'm trying to quote it.

657
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Speaker 4: But he says that he thinks too much such men

658
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Speaker 4: are dangers. So social media really you get inside your

659
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Speaker 4: own ed and other and you attract people who are

660
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Speaker 4: also thinking that. So instead of having a friend in

661
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Speaker 4: real life like we used to have, would be like,

662
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Speaker 4: you sound like a crazy person. Man, Are you okay?

663
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Speaker 4: I don't get that. You don't give a yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

664
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Speaker 4: you're right, you're right. Yeah. So lowliness and spirit I

665
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: don't see any way that gets fixed quickly. The other

666
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: thing that actually really scares me as well as the

667
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 4: competency crisis. I think we're losing a lot of generational knowledge,

668
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Speaker 4: a lot of it stopped being shared and passed on,

669
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Speaker 4: and I think the longer it goes without being addressed,

670
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Speaker 4: you're going to start having real problems in terms of infrastructure,

671
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Speaker 4: in terms of transportation, in terms of basic safety. I

672
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Speaker 4: don't think it's any mistake that we're seeing a lot

673
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Speaker 4: of this sort of stuff at Boeing. I mean Boeing

674
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: didn't wake up with right side and just decide I'm

675
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Speaker 4: gonna suck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

677
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Speaker 4: I think it's been a slow, steady devaluing of competency.

678
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Speaker 4: And the only way I can see getting away from

679
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 4: that is some sort of institution of I mean, ruthless meritocracy,

680
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: no room for no.

681
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Speaker 2: I think that's where we have to go. But I

682
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Speaker 2: don't think we will.

683
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Speaker 3: We can't even get to like they will teach algebra

684
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Speaker 3: to kids in eighth grade in California because it's racist.

685
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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

686
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Speaker 3: I don't know that we're getting to ruthless meritocracy anytime. See,

687
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Speaker 3: but you know the figure's problem.

688
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Speaker 4: Hey, how many bridge collaps and plane crashes do you

689
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Speaker 4: get before people are like Okay, you know what, let's

690
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Speaker 4: maybe like focus again on engineering instead of whether.

691
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Speaker 2: It's no, yeah, and did we get there.

692
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Speaker 3: I just I feel like they're going to be like

693
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Speaker 3: that this had nothing to do with anything. It's not

694
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: because people don't know what to do anymore. It's, you know,

695
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Speaker 3: double down on fighting racism through not teaching math. I

696
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: really do think that they're not going to give up,

697
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Speaker 3: maybe as sanity spreads, because it has you know, so

698
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: again the math is a racist In California, it ended

699
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Speaker 3: up being sort of left of center parents who spoke

700
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Speaker 3: up and fought back and kind of realized how crazy

701
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Speaker 3: it was, and that's really the only hope. But they pressure,

702
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Speaker 3: the far left pressures more.

703
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Speaker 2: Than anybody else.

704
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Speaker 3: The left moderates to kind of fall in line, and

705
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Speaker 3: it's really hard to get them to break.

706
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Speaker 4: I mean, historically it's usually a major crisis spurs a

707
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Speaker 4: counter reaction. So at some point we'll see a counter reaction.

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Speaker 4: The problem is this is where the fear kind of

709
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Speaker 4: comes into it. You can have something like nine to

710
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Speaker 4: eleven and that not be a inciting event for national

711
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Speaker 4: unity and yeah, I hadn't do it, so like, what

712
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Speaker 4: how much worse does it need to get before people

713
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Speaker 4: are like, okay, we need to drop the nonsense. Almost

714
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Speaker 4: I don't know what the rating on the show is.

715
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Speaker 7: You can you can see all the bed Where can

716
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 7: you adopt the bullshit and actually serious like yeah, like

717
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Speaker 7: how many bridges?

718
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Speaker 4: How many planes? Before people are like, I don't care

719
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 4: if the Engineering Corps selects America. I want the best engineers.

720
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Speaker 4: I want ruthless efficiency. I don't know. That usually comes

721
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Speaker 4: around again, historically speaking, this comes around when there's something

722
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Speaker 4: bad enough happens, like the Johnston flood, like you're still setting.

723
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Speaker 4: A whole lot of people get killed, and it turns

724
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Speaker 4: out because the engineers didn't know what they were doing,

725
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 4: you might actually get a big fat counter reaction.

726
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Speaker 2: Well we're not.

727
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Speaker 4: We're not at that point though.

728
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Speaker 3: So in our book Stolen Youth, we covered how this

729
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Speaker 3: was going on in the medical field. And I don't

730
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Speaker 3: think we're ever going to see, you know, a bridge

731
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Speaker 3: collapse sort of, you know what I mean, We're never

732
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Speaker 3: going to see that that happen in the medical field

733
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Speaker 3: quite as clearly. But for example, they every year they

734
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Speaker 3: have experts talk about premature birds and nick you babies

735
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Speaker 3: on these panels, and one year, they realized all their

736
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Speaker 3: experts were white men, so they had to change it.

737
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Speaker 3: So it was no longer the very very best, producing

738
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Speaker 3: the most latest, you know, technology and results and best practices.

739
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Speaker 3: It was now not the very very best. And we're

740
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Speaker 3: never going to know exactly how many.

741
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Speaker 2: People were harmed by that.

742
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Speaker 3: That's going to be always kind of something we'd never

743
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Speaker 3: find out.

744
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's actually another great area that I just courage.

745
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Speaker 4: We have. Another scary one is the sort of evaluating

746
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Speaker 4: of standards in the medical field, like that can get

747
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 4: real data's real fast. I know at Washington Free Beek

748
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 4: and they've been doing great work following insanity at UCLA

749
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 4: and how they have essentially broken down any sort of

750
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Speaker 4: standards that they have for their medical field. So your point, like,

751
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 4: this is the other issue too, is the basic disappearance

752
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 4: and a lot of it is self created, the the

753
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 4: destruction of media credibility and trust in institutions like COVID.

754
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: Speaking at COVID, Yeah, like who trusts public health organizations? Right? People?

755
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 4: Some people do, but certainly not the way it was not.

756
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: I mean I have to be at it.

757
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: I used to trust them. I used to just be like,

758
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: whatever you know, obviously they're going to be bipartisan.

759
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they be.

760
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: Now it turns out, wow, not at all, And I

761
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Speaker 3: can't trust them.

762
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Speaker 4: I mean I used to have COVID. I had no

763
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Speaker 4: negative bigon a faucity. I didn't really know anything about it.

764
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Speaker 4: After COVID, I definitely have opinion of them, Yes, not

765
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 4: a positive one, right. But the issue with the credibility

766
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: we have it between these rooms. We have that with

767
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 4: massive organizations or institutions like health institutions, people don't trust them.

768
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 4: So if you're going to have that inciting event, it'd

769
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: be helpful to have someone who could record it. But

770
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: the day is, nobody believes anyone. So you could have

771
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Speaker 4: let's say, a massive bridge collapse, but you're not going

772
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 4: to trust the Washington Posts coverage of it. Hey, fact,

773
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to go listen to Joe Rogan to

774
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 4: find out I know what actually. So the thing is,

775
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 4: when I get that inciting event, I don't know when,

776
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 4: I don't know how bad it's going to have to be,

777
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 4: and then it's going to be slowed by the fact

778
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 4: that people don't trust what they're here. That's as simple

779
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: is that people don't trust a lot of what they hear,

780
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 4: and things like COVID really sort of cements that. I mean,

781
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: the idea that the lab leak was always a reasonable

782
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: hypothesis and then immediately be called a crank and a loon, right,

783
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 4: and then.

784
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 3: Later somehow less racist to say, somebody ate a bat

785
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: and that's how it happened.

786
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: Like I've said this, it's so funny that they're like, no,

787
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 4: the more the more she made less racist. Thing is

788
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 4: not to say it was the result of a boxed experiment,

789
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: but actually, you know those people eat stuff out, and

790
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, how is that less racist?

791
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: Right?

792
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: Like the New York Times lead health for portions talking

793
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 4: about how the blableek theory was clearly racist. You're like, right, oh,

794
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: she was worse.

795
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

796
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 4: They come out and they go, actually, you know this

797
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: is probably what happened. You're like, what is happening? Yeah,

798
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to triist you now, but right then? Or

799
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: was I supposed to just then but not now? You know,

800
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 4: it's hard to rebuild it. It's easy to lose bion,

801
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 4: hard hard to get it back.

802
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

803
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, this incident over the weekend

804
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 4: with Natasha Frost is a great example, not just a journalist.

805
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 4: It's just for your your view, yeah yeah, and tell

806
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: us yeah you see Lake about nine hundred pages of

807
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: private conversation Jewish Australians post November seventh, and she was

808
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 4: half hard in the summer, so thank you October. Yeah.

809
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 4: Somewhow wormed her way into the group and then she

810
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 4: recorded all the data, downloaded and shared it with opposition groups.

811
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 4: That is obviously unethical. That's her. But the bigger thing

812
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 4: for me is how vague and not forthcoming the New

813
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 4: York Times is being right.

814
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Speaker 7: She's a New York Times reporter and yeah in Australia

815
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 7: and the New York Times, I won't say anything about

816
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 7: I know they removed her contact information from the website

817
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 7: and they're like, you know, we've dealt with them, Like, well,

818
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 7: how have you dealt with them?

819
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: They're like, to your business, worry about it business? Yea.

820
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 4: The people don't trust you. This stuff I have covered,

821
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: and this is real quick. I've covered Congress and I've

822
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 4: covered newsrooms, and I've always had a much easier time

823
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: getting a straight answer wow out of a member of

824
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 4: the Senate or the House than I had ever gotten

825
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: from a budsman or an official spokesperson for any of

826
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 4: the newspapers. They do not talk. They do you not explain.

827
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 4: They think it's beneath them. They have to explain what

828
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 4: is going on. Even if it comes down to like

829
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: explain your selection of pictures. It's as simple as, oh,

830
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 4: we have that that photo was licensed A good problem. Yeah,

831
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Speaker 4: but they won't tell you.

832
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 6: They're like, well, I don't need to tell you. Just

833
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 6: swop higgy. No, people don't trust you. Do you think

834
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 6: that Alex Jones grew in a vacuum, like there's a

835
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 6: reason he has an audience? Absolutely?

836
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my want.

837
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Speaker 2: I completely agree.

838
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Speaker 3: I think loss of trust is such a problem and

839
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: it's going to take I mean, I don't know if

840
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: it's ever going to get recovered, actually, because anybody who

841
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: remembers this time period, it's maybe very hard to get over.

842
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 3: I used to be a trusting person. I used to

843
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: you know, kind of okay. I didn't like the left media,

844
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 3: the liberal media. I didn't like the New York Times,

845
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: Quashion Post, whatever, But I didn't think they were I

846
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 3: don't know, I guess I didn't think they were liars

847
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: by design, And now I think they are. I think

848
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: they're they're not trying to inform their audience, and that's

849
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 3: a major problem, I really do you know, Like I said,

850
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: I think New York Times readers are often far behind

851
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: on what the news actually is from people who read

852
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: other sources.

853
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's a problem. I mean with

854
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 4: all generations within they say, zom studying just the young reporters.

855
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 4: It's the idea that it is our job to shape

856
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: the narrative, the good narrative.

857
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: And then you have bad news about our side, and

858
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: you know, right, and then the question, well, it's not

859
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 3: even necessarily they're trying to just get elected.

860
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 4: But no, if we give if we say this thing

861
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 4: that's damaging to our site, the bad guys might win, right,

862
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: And now they justify they actually think they're the good guys.

863
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 4: But the obvious question is like, well, what's the good narrative? Yeah,

864
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 4: you can't just tell me the story. And as far

865
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 4: as trust is concerned, I mean, trust is cyclical. You know,

866
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 4: you'd think that American generations going forward would never trust

867
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 4: the presidency again after Nixon, But people a hundred percent

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Speaker 4: including the boomers who are alive for Nigson may seeing

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Speaker 4: what happened. They know Preson's capable of lying right and

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Speaker 4: obfuscating and being a This is.

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Speaker 2: A different party, Beckett. This is you know, this is

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Speaker 2: the good party.

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Speaker 3: So obviously it's possible.

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Speaker 2: So it's possible.

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Speaker 4: Within our lifetimes that yeah, World Health Organization once again

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Speaker 4: claims the mantle of a trusted bipartisan institution. It's possible.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be around her mind people not to

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Speaker 3: trust them, but we'll see. Thank you so much, this

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Speaker 3: has been such a great talk. I end here with

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Speaker 3: your best tip for my listeners on how they can

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Speaker 3: improve their lives. Let's get some optimism here. How do

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Speaker 3: people make their lives better?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so TI tips one. It is usually best even

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Speaker 4: if it leads to a little conflict. Usually best to

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Speaker 4: say immediately when you're starting to feel annoyed or aggravated

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Speaker 4: about something, do not let it sit infester. I've learned

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Speaker 4: this in my merriage.

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Speaker 3: Immedially for spouses, or this is just in general in general.

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Speaker 4: Actually it's great with coworkers because otherwise if you yeah,

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Speaker 4: if you try to rationalize it, like I don't want

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Speaker 4: the conflict right now, I'm busy right now. Then it's

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Speaker 4: possible you sit in that investors, and then it becomes contempt.

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Speaker 4: And that's if you want in any relationship in your life.

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Speaker 4: So find a diplomatic, impolite way immediately to say I'm

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Speaker 4: aggravated or I'm unhappy with this thing, I don't think

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Speaker 4: this thing X y Z do it as fast as possible.

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Speaker 4: And the other one ruthless enforcement of your time boundaries.

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Speaker 4: I know, I know the Celenials like talking about boundaries

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Speaker 4: and stuff. No, if you and work, if close of

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Speaker 4: business is five o'clock, you got you have to observe it.

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Speaker 4: Because you keep pushing it, you will become known as

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Speaker 4: somebody who doesn't have any serve of working hours. You

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Speaker 4: work all the time and anytime that you aren't ruthlessly

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Speaker 4: enforcing that. Your job will take what it can because

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Speaker 4: it doesn't care. So you have to. If it's after five,

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Speaker 4: that email can wait, the text can wait, unless somebody

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Speaker 4: is like leading and needing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yes you can. You're a doctor, fine, you know right,

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Speaker 3: You're a writer, it's okay.

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Speaker 4: You know. In journalism, if you're on the breaking news desk,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry your kind that's an all situation, that's an

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Speaker 4: on call. But you get to a point where you're

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Speaker 4: maybe an instructor or a columnist that you have to

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Speaker 4: you really got to maintain that, especially if you're married

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Speaker 4: with kids.

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 4: Eventually becomes so when does your workday actually end?

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Speaker 2: You're next thing you know, it's Tyley Coulli com stalled someday.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: He's t Beckett Adams read him in The Hill National Review,

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Speaker 3: watching an examiner follow his amazing X extreme I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to call it anymore, Twitter profile,

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Speaker 3: Twitter whatever.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Beckett. Nice to have you.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show.

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