1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not going to 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 1: Stephan never told you production of iHeart Radio. And we 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: are continuing with our classics theme month of September. I 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: feel like that goes with fall and Pumpkin Spies if 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: you like it as curiosity. Have you read other Jane 6 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: Austen books. I don't know iffectually. This is my first 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: Jane Austen book. Jade Austen newbie, I just popped your bubble. 8 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: That was really gross and sorry. So yeah, we're talking 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: about Jane Austen. And because this is probably my favorite 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: book of Jane Austen. As much as I love Pride 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: and Prejudice and I'll love all the others, Persuasion is 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: I think my favorite of her books. It's probably one 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: of the smaller ones of her books. I can't quite remember. 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: It's not that long over read, but I love everything 15 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: about it. There are a lot to be said. We 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: know this is very old fashioned. We're gonna talk about 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: the themes as if we were from the early eighteen hundred's, 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: late seventeen hundreds. Maybe I don't know, um, but yes, 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: it was something. Jane Austen is one of my favorites. 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: I love her wit, I love her sarcasm. Everything. Still, 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: it seems so nice and gentle, and then you read 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: back and you're like, oh, she just insulted that person. 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's the level that is my personality in itself. Um, 24 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: and there's all two people who deserve it. That's even better. 25 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: Like her characters stand up to people, stand up to society. 26 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about all of this now again. Yes, 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: we've talked a little about Jane Austen before and the works. Um, 28 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: I still really want to do this Jane Austen tour 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: that we had talked about previously with our guest who 30 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: came on and that's what she does. And I'm like, 31 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: oh my god, why am I not there? Like towards Bath. 32 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: I need to see this, But I guess we can't 33 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: do that. We'll just take a to her with the book, right, 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: We'll just go with our imagination of what this may be. 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: Anyone who has a hook up you know here, I 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: need to be there though, That's what that's that's the 37 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: theme here. But yeah, So we wanted to do a 38 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: quick run through of Jane Austen's biographical history. It seems, 39 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: according to many of the different articles about her life, 40 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: that she, like others, used her life experiences in her novels. 41 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: Her stories are often told in wit and sarcasm, and 42 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: was a statement of the unfair rules and standards placed 43 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: on women. Um And though her novels typically in with 44 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: happy endings, with our heroines getting married to well situated 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: men for love, and her own life was not so 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: perfectly put together, Jane Austin never married. She did get 47 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: engaged once, but ended it because she was not in 48 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: love with the man. And then there was another man, 49 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: many who called him her first love, who was ushered 50 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: away from her essentially like take it away, because they're like, 51 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: this is not going to work out. She has no money. 52 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: You need money. So he married for wealth and they 53 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: never see each other again. Uh. If you've ever seen 54 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: the movie Being Jane Austen, they actually do a little 55 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: bit of the back and forth. It's actually a really 56 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: good movie. I liked it. But yeah, so it's really 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: sad overall. Yeah, jeez um, It's not like she wasn't 58 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: prolific and successful, but it took a little while. They 59 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: didn't know her name ntil after she died. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, 60 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about that, right, yes, Okay. So though 61 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: Jane's work was published in her lifetime, her work was 62 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: not as appreciated then as it is now. She was 63 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: successful after her brother, taking on the title of her 64 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: literary agent, sent her novel Sense and Sensibility to be 65 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: published in eighteen thirteen, and later she would go on 66 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: to publish Pride and Prejudice, which was also a success. 67 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: And yet all the while her names were not attached 68 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: to the publishing of these stories, but instead it was 69 00:03:54,720 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: authored as a lady. It wasn't an so after her 70 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: death that she was recognized for her work. Her brother 71 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: Henry and sister Cassandra pushed for her last two novels, 72 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: Northinger Abbey and Persuasion, to be published after her death. 73 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: I do think this is interesting because we have talked 74 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: about this in the writing of romance novels and the 75 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: writing of horror and science fiction with women in these 76 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: early days, about publishing not with their name but still 77 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: getting these followings. And one of my very fun, favorite 78 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: fun facts about Jane Austen is uh she had the 79 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: first one of the first fan fiction groups called the Austinites. Yes, well, 80 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: they were apparently was the j Knites as well, I 81 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: believe was the name for some of our fans um 82 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: and it was. She actually did uh have a following 83 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: during her times of writing. People loved her book uh 84 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: initially though her father before he died, tried to get 85 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: one of her books published and he couldn't do it. 86 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: It's not Gnomes supposedly that she whether or not she 87 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: knew that her father tried to do this for her 88 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: because he loved her book. There was another publisher who 89 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: held onto a book I believe called Susan and since 90 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: then he would not publish it. He just left it 91 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: on his desk. She sent him a letter like you 92 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: needed to give it back or published this or something, 93 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: and she like initialed it as M A D because 94 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: she was very angry and like the whole thing went 95 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: back and forth that he would publish it, but she 96 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: would have to pay him ten pounds. They did not 97 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: have it because they were not well off. After the 98 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: father died, they moved around everywhere trying to find a place. 99 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: Finally settled into her brother's cottage near her land and 100 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: was able to do that. And apparently her writing, most 101 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: like everybody else, went with her moods, so she wasn't 102 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: in a good place, she couldn't write, and when she 103 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: got into a good place, she wrote and it was beautiful. 104 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: So it was pretty interesting. Of course, we're not talking 105 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: too much more about the characters of the book. Many 106 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: people do reflect. They do look at her family and 107 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: their silliness and their hypochondria, like all of these things 108 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: that we see in each one of her books. So 109 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: you will see a character that is silly, as she 110 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: would say, and ridiculous and not so smart, or you 111 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: would see what that was always sick and needy and 112 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: someone needed to take care of her. And a lot 113 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: of this were apparently paste on her mom what I gather, 114 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: but we don't know this to the point that apparently 115 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: when the mom read Mansfield Park, she really felt that 116 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: the mother character was cruelly treated, and then that the character, 117 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: the heroine was just ridiculously and insipid. So what she said, 118 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: so a lot of those things. But they did love 119 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: her writing enough to give her time to do it 120 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: and realize that she wasn't successful at it and was 121 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: able to get some money from it. Now when they 122 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: weren't successful, they had to pay it back, which was 123 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: the whole different conversation in itself. So there's a lot 124 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: of things that went on. She has some unfinished novels 125 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: that people have tried to complete, including the author I 126 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: believe of Britain. Uh. They she tried to complete it, 127 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: but have yet to be seen as successes. So I've 128 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: not seen anything that's come off. It's like this is 129 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: it um. Austin died at the young age of forty 130 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: one before being recognized against for her accomplishments, and a 131 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: lot of who she was or what we could have 132 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: learned is lost to us because letters were burned and 133 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: her reputation was glossed over by her family. Literally, Henry 134 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: was trying to make her look like the most unpeachable, 135 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: amazing woman in the world. Pictures of her apparently were 136 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: altered so that she would be the perfect beauty. All 137 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: of these things in order to sell the books or 138 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: sell her reputation with the books. Um. But of course 139 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: we do know that she was actually really upbeat individual 140 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: who had a great personality um. And she would advise 141 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: others to not fall to the outdated standards of marriage 142 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: by seeking love and wit um, which barely she told 143 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: us to a niece she did not seem to regret 144 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: saying no to the dude who had a lot of money. 145 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: She would have been wealthy and they would have been 146 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: taken care of. But yet you know just what we 147 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: see her works today, except with happier endings, obviously obviously. 148 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: Um So, now that you know a little bit about 149 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: Jane Austen, let's dig into persuasions. Are you ready? You're ready? 150 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: H So this was written an originally titled The Elliotts, 151 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: and it was later edited and renamed as a Persuasion. 152 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: The novel, as we mentioned before, was one of Austin's last, 153 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: and many argues one of her more sophisticated works, like 154 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: she finally figured out her style. She had these mature 155 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: words again, opinions of others um and though many argue 156 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: that her unfinished works could have been just as iconic, 157 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: if not more. In a statement in the commentary on 158 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: Society at the time, apparently she was writing a book 159 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: about snake oil dealers, essentially about people trying to bring 160 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: people in based on this water healing that was happening 161 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: at the time. So could have been an amazing book. 162 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: And I think will really really wish that they had 163 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: been finished of course not her fault, and that's why 164 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: people are trying to finish it. Ah. That makes me sad, 165 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: um all right. But in this book we are introduced 166 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: to the Elliot's, a family who has come upon some 167 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: hard times, partially due to the main character's father, Sir 168 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: Wallace Elliott, who is a vain and stubborn man that 169 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: clingston titles and status more than anything else. Um. But 170 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: before we get there, we are quickly informed that Anne, 171 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: a sweet, pleasing young woman who is the main character 172 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: I would say, had fallen in love at a young 173 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: age with a man named Frederick Wentworth who would soon 174 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: set sail as a naval man. Let's talk about the 175 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: navy in this one, um. But this match was opposed 176 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: by her family as Frederick had no money or status 177 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: at the time, and again that was really important back then, 178 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: but especially to her father, um. And Anne was persuaded 179 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: uh by her closest friend invintor Lady Russell and her 180 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: family to turn down the proposal, which would haunt her 181 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: for years to come. Yeah. Years later, we see Ann 182 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: alone and having to take care of her remaining family 183 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: after the death of our sweet mother. With the dead 184 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: and financial issues plaguing the family. Her father is persuaded 185 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: to let the house or rent it out kellynch Hall 186 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: while he and his seemingly favorite child Elizabeth, decided to 187 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: move to Bath because you know, it's cheaper, and of 188 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: course it would be they would be of upstanding citizenship 189 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: and so higher class in a small town like Bath. 190 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: And though she doesn't want to and also prepares to 191 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: go to Bath with the family, until she's asked to 192 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: remain near her home with her youngest sister, Mary, a 193 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: hypochondriac married to Charles Musgraves UH and their children for 194 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: a little while, and we find out later that Charles 195 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: Musgrove's originally asked Anne to marry him. That doesn't happen 196 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: and she marries Mary instead. So year we meet Charles 197 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: and his family, his father and mother and two sisters, 198 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: Henriette and Louise, who are very fond of Anne and 199 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: oftentimes wishes Anne had married Charles yes um and becomes 200 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: the sounding board between all of them, of the many 201 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: complaints and Elma's and all of the such so unfortunately 202 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: she has to be the nice one that is, uh, 203 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: the middle ground for people to come to and try 204 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: to be rational. Soon after we meet the Crofts, who 205 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: have at least Killage Hall, Admiral Croft and his wife Sophia. 206 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: Sophia happens to be oh the sister of Frederick Wentworth. 207 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: Oh no, which opens up the novel to the upcoming 208 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: hijinks that we're about to talk about. M all right, 209 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: So soon enters Wentworth, who is now Captain Wentworth, rich 210 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: and accomplished and apparently still very handsome. Still very handsome 211 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: you gotta remember that, yes, and is also obviously still 212 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: hurt at being rejected by Anne and even comments on 213 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: how Anne has quote been so altered since he last 214 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: saw her and now being and is seen as sort 215 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: of a spinster, oh no, the worst twenty seven, Oh no. 216 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: And he seems to be interested in both of the 217 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: young Musgrove ladies, and they are very interested in him too, 218 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: even at the expense of Charles Hayter, who was trying 219 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: to court Henrietta at the time. And as she and 220 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: the Musgroves and Crops all go on a lovely trip 221 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: to Lime Regis, we see Wentworth seemingly pursue these young 222 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: women even more. Here we meet Captain's Horriville and Benwick, 223 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: who are friends of Captain Wentworth. Benwick was at this 224 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: point morning the death of his fiance and seemed to 225 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: be getting close to Anne Um as they had a 226 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: common love of writing and poetry. But soon, of course, 227 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: more drama occurs, at which time Louisa falls while jumping 228 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: from a sea wall, causing her to get a concussion 229 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: and causing her to She needs to be under constant surveillance, 230 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: which happens to be Yes the care under the watchful 231 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: eye of Captain Wentworth and the Harvel's family who lived there. 232 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: So she has this injury and he's like, well, I've 233 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: got to look out for her and make sure she covers. 234 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: He feels very guilty because obviously he didn't stop her. 235 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: And ann soon returns to be with her father and 236 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: sister in Bath after that incident, and there she meets 237 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: with William Elliott, who is she had actually had contact 238 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: with at the Lime. So we see this moment and 239 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: apparently at that at the beach she looked at really beautiful. 240 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: Of course I guess that affected her. Now she's more 241 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: beautiful than ever. I do think it's quite funny, because 242 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: we'll talk about this in a b The fact that 243 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: she keep commenting at all how some people get more 244 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: attractive when as they get older, but it's rare, like, yeah, 245 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: I like that, this is what's happening to dear Anne. 246 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: Um and yes. So she meets with William Elliott, a 247 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: cousin and the heir to the fortune of their family, 248 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: who once was supposed to marry Elizabeth. I think it 249 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: was intended that way, but was but rejected both her 250 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: hand the family to marry another rich woman, which did 251 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: not go over well with Sir Elliott obviously because that 252 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: was completely sliding of his favorite daughter. All of those things. Um, 253 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: and that wife dies and so now he is a 254 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: rich widower coming background. But he soon changed their minds 255 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: with his charm and attention, and even Lady Russell, who 256 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: was hopeful that he would marry Anne, saw that he 257 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: was in good standing and was approving of him. Um. 258 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: But however, Anne was suspicious of him. It was too much. 259 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: But while in Bath and was able to reconnect with 260 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: her friend Mrs Smith, who was a widow and was 261 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: ill at the time and unfortunately very poor because things 262 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: had gone wrong with her husband's fortune. There she and 263 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: Mrs Smith are able to reconnect and talk about the 264 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: gossip around back yes and uh. Soon all the Musgroves 265 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: and cross decided to come to Bath as well. Oh, 266 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: dear Anne has learned that Louisa is now engaged to 267 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: Captain Benwick and that Henrietta was now engaged to Charles Hayter, 268 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: and all seemed happy and well with them. Um, and 269 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: then of course and runs into Captain Wentworth and has 270 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: an interesting They have an interesting exchange together. However, at 271 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: the same time Mr Elliott, which by the way, this 272 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: was very like Game of Frones to me, where I'm 273 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: like I need a chart to keep track of who 274 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: is who? Okay, Elliot's going around Elliott Yes, yes, yes, 275 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: not her father. Her cousin was trying to wiggle his 276 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: way into her affections, causing Wentworth to be both jealous 277 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: and deterred. And it was soon after that and discovered 278 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: from her friend Mrs Smith how deceptive and uncaring Mr 279 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: Elliott really was, so her suspicions were correct Um, and 280 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: she resolved to let Lady Russell know of his character, 281 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: But before she could, she and Wentworth were able to 282 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: reconnect and soon became engaged. Mr Elliott leaves taking Mrs Clay, 283 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: a woman who was trying to seduce her way into 284 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: the Elliott family. Was a friend of Elizabeth. By the 285 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: way um and And and Captain Wentworth get married, Lady 286 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: Russell admits her mistake and accepts the couple as new friends. Yes, 287 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: and all this say also Ms Smith had connections with 288 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: Mr Elliott, who was not great, and she was trying 289 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: to get someone to help her get her fortunes because 290 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: there was a little bit of money out there, and 291 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: Captain Wentworth helped her and she was able to live 292 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: and everybody was happy. Everybody was happy. Yea. Although I 293 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: kind of that whole Mrs Clay thing. I was kind 294 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: of like Damn Right, who has two children, who was 295 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: the daughter of the lawyer that helped get all these 296 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: things in place. There's so many characters are we left out? 297 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you should go and read the book. 298 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: It's short. If you like these things, go for it. 299 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: I will say. I tried to watch the new movie 300 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: with Dakoda Johnson. I could not get through it because 301 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: I know what they were trying to do, but it 302 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: was not working for me as a lover of this classic. 303 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: In the way it is formed to have Dakoda Johnson 304 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: portray and Elliott as a bumbling, clumsy woman who uh 305 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: brags about herself and it's just bitter, which is her 306 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 1: whole thing is like to be better. At the very beginning, 307 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: she talks about losing him, being a little angry about 308 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: what was happening, and then all she does is drink, 309 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: sit in the corner, lay face on a bed, like 310 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: she takes bads by herself, like this is how it 311 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: introduces it, and I'm like throughout the entire book, Jane 312 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: Austen portrays and as someone who understands why and there's 313 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: no way she could have married him at that point 314 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: and be where she was today as happy, like and 315 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: being glad that it worked out this way no matter what. 316 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: And then her whole character again she's a little too pristine, 317 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: too smart, but like it's to be unseen in the 318 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: corner and trying not to uh bring any ripples about 319 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: being a little heartbroken that he seems to have I'm 320 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: not forgiven her and he's trying to move on with 321 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: these other women type of things in the movie. At 322 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: a very beginning of the scene where I talked about 323 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: how Charles Musgroves says like was supposed to had originally 324 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: proposed to Anne. In the book, the sister's revealed to 325 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: Captain Wentworth that he had originally proposed and they had 326 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: wished that she had gotten married to him. In the movie, 327 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: and blurts it out at the dinner table in front 328 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: of everyone to everybody's chalcolate. She proposed to me first, 329 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, what, so then that and I 330 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: was like, absolutely not, absolutely not. I can't do this. 331 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: I can't do this. So for those of you who 332 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: may have seen the movie and they actually liked it, 333 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: it's a grimace on Samantha's face that she's trying to 334 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: power through. I'm just like, let me know what I 335 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: missed out, maybe to to rectify and come back to it, 336 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: because after that scene, I was like, no, I can't 337 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, yeah, that's fair, it's fair. I mean 338 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: you've said before, you've got your your versions that you 339 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: like verry passionate about this. When you alter it so greatly, 340 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: it just becomes this entire movie is supposed to be 341 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: a lot of cringe moments like oh, like she makes 342 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: fun of him and he walks in to hear her 343 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: and make fun of her him. Um, that does not happen. Uh, 344 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: there's a moment where again she screams like she's supposed 345 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: to be across the way, she screams his name because 346 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: he's talking to a girl the girls and she's jealous, 347 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: and then how she hides away underneath it because she 348 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: yelled his name and everybody's like, what, like all of 349 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: these things is supposed to be like the cringe worthy level, 350 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't even like that when I 351 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: do like a movie, so maybe, and the take is 352 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: like I think it's supposed to be a modern take 353 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: back then because they rank people about you're a tin here, 354 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: but let there that type of thing. So I think 355 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: that's what they were trying to do with it, to 356 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: make this new type of thing. But I'm like that works. 357 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: I feel like more so with like Clueless or ten 358 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: things that I hate about you, where they flip it 359 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: to be like taking the old tell into a modern take, sure, 360 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: but trying to do a modern take to in the 361 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: old Till in that timeline, it doesn't feel like it works. Yeah, 362 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: I think it's difficult to pull off, for sure. I 363 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: say that as I still kind of like Nights Till 364 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: and that's a whole different movie. And they do that. Yeah. Again, 365 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: it can be done. It's just not easily done. It's 366 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: not easily done. It's not okay now that I've printed 367 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: about that, all right, So, of course one of the 368 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: big themes is women in society and the role in 369 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: society at that point and time, because all throughout Austin's 370 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: books you will see that as the main plot of 371 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: all of them is trying to find a good marriage. Yeah, 372 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: and I think this is one of the things that 373 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 1: can be easily forgotten, but at this time it was 374 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: a huge deal for what like that was your purpose, 375 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: especially in this where they were located. And the timing 376 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: of this was as a woman, you have to have 377 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: a pretty upstanding, polite society reputation and then you will 378 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: be married off and what is hopefully a financially good 379 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: decision for the woman and the family. And it was, 380 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a huge it was very important. 381 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: You couldn't known anything like I mean with what happened 382 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: to Jane Austin or she died poor, even though she'd 383 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: written all the stuff that is so successful now, but 384 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: she didn't get married and so it was seen as 385 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: a failure. And I think that that can sometimes get lost, 386 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: and I did enjoy that the importance of it was 387 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: still there, but it was like underlaid with all of 388 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: the slayers of gossip, kind of like pettiness and uh, 389 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of stuff about about class, 390 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: which is pretty common for these kinds of books as well. 391 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, that's the whole thing. Is like 392 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: her sister trying to get married. Her other sister did 393 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: get married, She's got to get married because their father 394 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: went to debt. Like, it's all of the stuff about well, 395 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: I gotta do this for the family and for money essentially, right, 396 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 1: So essentially, And I don't know, because I don't know 397 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: customarily how correct we are. I'm assuming it is because 398 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: it was her time frame. But I think with Emma 399 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: they had this conversation about being um a spencer with money, 400 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: you're able to do that more so than being a 401 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: spencer not without money, that you people literally die essentially, um, 402 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: And that the idea that if it's taken away, So 403 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: we see that often, and we saw that in many 404 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: of the books Pride and Prejudice. If there's no male air, 405 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: it goes to the next male air, which could be 406 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: a cousin or someone who will turn you out. There 407 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: is a book I can't remember which one where they 408 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: actually do turn out the family where they're like, uh, 409 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: the the I think it was like an uncle or 410 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: a cousin who inherits it and he had promised to 411 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: help them, but he doesn't. He chooses not to, and 412 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: so they go to destitute situation. This is that conversation. 413 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm talking about her as nowhere. Uh. 414 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: For Austin, it was so important that she fall for love, 415 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: that she was willing to sacrifice all of that to 416 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: be there. And it doesn't sound like anybody held her 417 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: responsible and or were bitter towards her because of that. 418 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: Like her only sister Cassandra, she had five brothers. Again, 419 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: she did get help from one of the brothers. Uh, 420 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: and apparently they lost their money and in a scheme, 421 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: not a scheme, but a thing that they invested in 422 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: with another brother. There's a whole different level of things 423 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: that were happening here. Um, but it is it's like 424 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: she stuck to her guns in her books as well. 425 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: But she saw the happier ending and was hoping for 426 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: the happier ending, which is kind of the tragic bit 427 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: that that happened that she didn't get to any of that. 428 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: And of course, yeah, money was a huge thing, which 429 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: I don't understand how money worked at that point in time. 430 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: Was nobody like nobody seems to do things, but they 431 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: all have money, Like I'm very confused by that in itself. Yeah, well, 432 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: I think that's where a lot of the like class 433 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: comes in of kind of inherited money or marrying into 434 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: money or both. Um. But it's also important to remember 435 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: at this time, you know, love might have been a 436 00:24:54,760 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: thing in marriages, but often it was an economic Originally 437 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: it was much more of like a financial decision than 438 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: anything to do with love, which makes sense even today 439 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: to me to that extent. But I'm like, you know what, 440 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: maybe they're not far off. Maybe that shouldn't be a 441 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: bad thing, because emotions change, all emotions change. But I 442 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: also found it funny that she was she wrote the 443 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: lines for her father about how titles are not earned, 444 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: accomplishments are not earned, but you're born with it, and 445 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: how could these traditions change. I feel like we hear 446 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: that today in different forms of like essentially privilege of 447 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: like oh well I got this, you got this from 448 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: your daddy, stop right, and how you think that's class. 449 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: That's not, that's not class. Stop it. But that that 450 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: was pretty funny, and I think she did, of course, 451 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: she wrote that on purpose to talk about this absurdity 452 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: about the ideal of class and rank, and it was 453 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: a beautiful Her writing is so good. It's just so good. 454 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: Of course, when we talk about all of that with 455 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: marriage and responsibility, we talked about families, whether it's the good, 456 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: the bad, and unfortunately just what it is the undeniable. 457 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: They are here, that's what they are. Um. I feel 458 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: like again her painting of her mother, possibly in the 459 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: characters of Prian Prejudice, she does this with the ridiculous mother. 460 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: In the character of her sister Mary, she does this 461 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: of this ridiculous woman who was just obviously privileged and 462 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: over the top spoiled and really just self self absorbed 463 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: character and what that looks like and how she portrays 464 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: them in the book. Of course we know they're not 465 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: all the one dimensional, but she does that as a 466 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: comic relief but also probably a stress relief. I'm guessing, yeah, yeah, 467 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: And I think it's one of those things where I 468 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: imagine most of us can relate to this even though 469 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: it was written so long ago, that you have the 470 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: the family member who's always kind of like needing you 471 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: to help them for whatever reason. You've got the you 472 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: feel responsible for, like perhaps somebody older in your life 473 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: and their financial security, and you've got the like one 474 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: you're always being compared to. Perhaps like there's just a 475 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: bunch of family relationships that I think a lot of 476 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: us can relate to kind of or like, oh, I 477 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: have something sort of like that in my life. Maybe 478 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: it's not even family can be friends as well, but 479 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: like and the whole idea of her, I feel like 480 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,959 Speaker 1: when you compare and to the rest of her family, 481 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: it does And this might be Austin kind of again, yeah, 482 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: having that trust relief, it does feel like they all 483 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: were using her for something. Umhe it's her dad, like financially, 484 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: her younger sister to be like the person she can 485 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: complain to you about everything, her older sister to compare 486 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: like I'm better than you, all those kinds of things, 487 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: and and kind of trying to be the diplomat. And 488 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: then you've got this Mr Elliott cousin fellow at the 489 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: end just kind of using them and what seems a 490 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: very callous way to just secure the inheritance. UM. So yeah, 491 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: I mean there's like those are kind of the negative aspects. 492 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: There were certainly some positive interactions between all of them 493 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: that were fun to see, but it is that that 494 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: tension and family and how we treat each other and 495 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: use each other was very apparent. I do think it's 496 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: funny that she, uh, it's kind of one of those 497 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: like his family, what can you do the time of situations? 498 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: And she has amongst a lot of the books that 499 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: she does. I also do appreciate and I thought it 500 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: was really hilarious the way they talk about the dead 501 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: brother of the must gross then just literally like thank 502 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: God he's dead, Like he really was useless outside of 503 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: just dying. I mean, he's a good thing he died, 504 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: but we're gonna pretend like we really mourned him miss him. 505 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: But I was just like, wow, j I'm not sure 506 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: your life that happened. But to be fair, and this 507 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: is I've read an interesting but about the fact that 508 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: she did have another brother who was institutionalized. Um. And 509 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: then after thirteen years old, after he was pretty much 510 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: given away, they never talked about him again. They never 511 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: let me stopped to him and she did that too. 512 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: She was a part of that not caring, not noticing 513 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: he died at see, no one went to his funeral, 514 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 1: no one cared like it was pretty sad. So I'm 515 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: wondering if that was how she felt, which is awful, 516 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: which is awful, awful, awful and meaning care like Caroless. 517 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: It does kind of put a stain on who she 518 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: is and like and I get it in that sense 519 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: of like during that time and age, that's what you did, 520 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: uh still really callous and cold. But I wondered if 521 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: that was kind of that mentioning. Again, I could have 522 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: been raging way too much into this, and I have 523 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: a feeling awesome fans may come after me for saying that, 524 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: but there was there's this like connection of this one 525 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: brother who kind of just was shunned because whether whether 526 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: it was mental health stuff, whether it was uh physical stuff, 527 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: whether it was whatever, he left it left to be 528 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: seventy one. I mean that's amazing at that point in time. Yeah, 529 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: that I'm like, Okay, it makes me wonder because they 530 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: talked about him having quote unquote fits you know, we 531 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: don't know what that means, and then that that's what 532 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: happened with his brother. No one acknowledged him, no one 533 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: sent him money, no one talked to him, no one 534 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: reached out to him. Like it makes me think a 535 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: lot about like what what was the point of this 536 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: one character that she brought in, because I don't really 537 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: hear much of that callousness of someone dying like they 538 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: did in this way of like outside of like, oh 539 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: this man was useless, this ex husband was useless, he 540 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: was mean, or all these things like that kind of thing. 541 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: But that was kind of interesting. So I don't know 542 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: if that was something pointed with her own family take. 543 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: It was one of her last books. She was getting sick. 544 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: She apparently had a lot of ailments, so that could 545 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: have been just as that so being being seen as 546 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: inconvenient or whatever whatnot. I found that interesting. Again, they 547 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: got too dark and too deep into her history for 548 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: that one. But yeah, um, of course, as a part 549 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: of anything else, wealth talking about wealth. Constant talk about 550 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: wealth and money being a motivator, whether it's who you 551 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: married or who didn't marry, is all throughout her book. 552 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: And of course her constant backthought is I can't marry 553 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: this person or I have to marry this person because 554 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: of money. Um. And of course it was at that 555 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: point in time your livelihood depended on whether or not 556 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: you could provide for yourself and your family. Right right, 557 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: it is like the biggest driver for a lot of 558 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: decisions that were made. And I mean it starts with 559 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: I thought this was really interesting how it begins, because I, 560 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: as someone who hadn't read it, it kind of starts 561 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: with this interesting portrait of Sir Walter Elliott and how 562 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: who he is and how he got into debt and 563 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: how he's so proud, doesn't want anyone to know that 564 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: he's in this trouble and how can they like keep 565 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: up airs as they say, And then you get introduced 566 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: to his daughters. And I didn't know who the main 567 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: character was, and originally they're kind of paint and it 568 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: was like this background like she's okay, and so I 569 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: didn't know what's going on. Um, But it's like right 570 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: from the jump is the impetus of we need money. Uh, 571 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: we want to at least look like we have money. 572 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: We want to be able to, you know, appear like 573 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: we're a high society or whatever. And that determines, you know, 574 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: like where they move and their relationships with people, and 575 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: not just like marriage but like friends, like who you're 576 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: gonna hang out with, who will be seen with, all 577 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: those kinds of things. Um, so it was incredibly huge, 578 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: seem and important to everybody, right right? Uh? I actually 579 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: really like you talking about them having They can't be 580 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: associated with friends with unless they have high money, which 581 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: was the whole like the thought process of Elizabeth trying 582 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: to invite people that she doesn't want to be seen 583 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: but they should. They have their standing, should be just 584 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: happy with an afternoon drink game session instead of a 585 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: whole mill, because they don't want it. First, she doesn't 586 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: want to be seen as poor because I can't do 587 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: that because I only have one or two servants that 588 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: they need more to be seen as high class. But 589 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: at the same time they're not deserving even though they 590 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: have more money than than Elizabeth and Sir Wallace that 591 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: it's quite funny, that dichotomy of her, like, but we're 592 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: still higher ranking than them, so we don't want this 593 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: to happen. It's quite funny. And then she gets jaded 594 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: and all all alone. I know that's I'm telling you 595 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: that whole Miss Clay, Thanks to me for a loop well, 596 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: I knew it was. I knew because she was kind 597 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: of like I knew she was being set up with 598 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: the father, but she wasn't being set up. She was 599 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: setting herself up with the father. She was trying to 600 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: scheme her way in. I was hoping they'd be real friends. 601 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 1: That's all. That's all. There's some one or two scandalous 602 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: women about, and she is the one for this one clearly. 603 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: Stud Her life is sad again because she's like just 604 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: trying to make it. But that's okay because with her 605 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: being the mistress of Mr Elliott, she owned that home 606 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: and therefore she has made herself a mistress. I know 607 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: she did it. She did it. She did I don't 608 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: own it well and he does now, Yeah, I mean 609 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: we on the flip side, we do see, is it 610 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: Mrs Smith? Like we see what happens when you don't 611 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: have money for women to write. And it was not 612 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: her fault and there was money there and she couldn't 613 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: get to it unless a man, you know, vouched for 614 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: her and helped her. It was the whole thing. Like 615 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: she's now settled, but for the time being she wasn't 616 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: as she was death too and had one or two friends, 617 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: and no one wanted to help her except for the 618 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: nurse friend. And then it turned out it's partially this Mr. 619 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: Elliott's fault that she can't live. Yeah, I feel like 620 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: a lot of evil, a lot of the stuff, not 621 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: all of it what you're about to talk about, but 622 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: a lot of it was like your dad's in debt. 623 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: So now this woman has to suffer. Are like this 624 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 1: man and now this woman has to suffer right oftentimes 625 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: that we see that again and again and again. And 626 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: that's what Jamee's like, don't go with a false man 627 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: because he's not going to leave you happy. And as 628 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,959 Speaker 1: the title was suggest persuasion are being persuaded or even 629 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: manipulated if you want to go one step further is 630 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: a big theme throughout and as the result of why 631 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: she's in this situation, or anybody is in this situation 632 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: in general, because she is trying to please everyone else 633 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: but herself. Yeah, which I you know, I'm several layers 634 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,240 Speaker 1: removed from this time period, obviously, but I really related 635 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: to that. I have dated people. I was kind of 636 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: like m because I thought like society was telling me 637 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: to like you should do it, give it it go 638 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: and so in this particular case, like we see and 639 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: you know, pretty happy with this guy fred Rick. She 640 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: was quite young, but she was pretty happy with him. 641 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: Announced announced this engagement, and like Lady Russell in particular 642 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: was like no, no, and no, and I'm gonna I'm 643 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: gonna talk to you out of it, and everybody was 644 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: against it, and so she kind of so she she 645 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: broke it off. Um and as you said, like perhaps 646 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 1: that was for the best, like they could both mature, 647 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: he could come back at a better time. But it 648 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: was something that she was basically kind of bullied almost 649 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, this is not her her 650 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: decision and her agency almost was kind of taken away, 651 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: like no, that's bad match, you don't want to do that. 652 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 1: And she really respected Lady Russell, so she was like okay, right, right, 653 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: So Lady Russell was the friend of the mother and 654 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: very big confident to the home. She really helped them 655 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: out so many times. It was really kind of funny. Also, 656 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: Sir Wallace's description of Lady Russell was like, yeah, but 657 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: she's not pretty and she's getting old, so no, that's 658 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: kind of that's that's what his thing was. But yeah, 659 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because yes, this is the beginning. 660 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: We understand that she has been talked out of being 661 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 1: in love essentially with this man who has no fortune, 662 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 1: who has no name, so therefore she doesn't do it. 663 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 1: But then we see that later on that people are 664 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: trying to do the same things again and trying to 665 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: turn her to a different man too, may have been 666 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,879 Speaker 1: like seemingly better. All of these conversations, whether it's trying 667 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: to persuade one person to be one person to go 668 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,720 Speaker 1: to this place, like, all of these things are happening, 669 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: and she's finally coming into her own and doing her 670 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: own work to figure out what she wants and truly 671 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: what she wants and why she wants it, or why 672 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: she doesn't trust this person or whatever what not, instead 673 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: of just believing that they're of a good character and 674 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: or not. So I find that funny. Throughout we also 675 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: see the other works of people trying to manipulate her 676 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: into other situations, whether it's Mary manipulating her to be like, 677 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: you need to stay with me and take care of 678 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: the children, and does that works? She does it, and 679 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: then all these other things happen, and then you also see, um, 680 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if for some manipulation or quite like, 681 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: we don't know if Captain Wentworth actually pushed Benwick to 682 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: Louisa so he could no longer have to actually marry her. 683 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. He says it's good fortune and it 684 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: just happened to happen, so you know, okay, seems suspect. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 685 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, as I said earlier, like a 686 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: lot of what people's actions were in regards to Anne 687 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: were of all about them. So like even with Charles Mr. 688 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: Musgrove and everyone being like we wish you had married him, 689 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 1: they want that, not necessarily because they like really like 690 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: and but they like and better than married. But yeah, 691 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: all of these kind of machinations and manipulations around relationships. 692 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: And I think it's what you said earlier that was 693 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: a really good point of her learning to trust herself 694 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: of not just like, oh this guy is suspicious, she 695 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: gets the bottom of why he's suspicious, she trust, she 696 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: feels it, but then she gets the bottom of it. 697 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 1: And it's the same with Frederick, where she's like, I 698 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: still really like this guy and just kind of like 699 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: accepting you know what, that's that's what I want, That's 700 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: what I'm right everybody else. Yeah, and yeah, I appreciate that. 701 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: And then also Lady Russell being persuaded to understand she 702 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: was wrong, she was wrong, she was very wrong about 703 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: both of these men, and then realizing having to admit 704 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: that and coming to understanding that they're in a happy place. 705 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: But again and throughout like, I am not better about this. 706 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: I don't think this was out of malice. And I 707 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: think this worked out to the perfect timing, which is 708 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: probably the other theme to this is like timing for everything. Um, 709 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: even though it caused a lot of heartache and a 710 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: lot of doubt, it finally came round to working itself out. Uh. 711 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: And of course he's in a better situation because he 712 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 1: is rich continuing to be rich. Apparently this is during 713 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: the the French War anyway, it was literally around that time. 714 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: And and you know, an interesting fun fact also is 715 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: when one of the places that Jane Alson and her 716 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: family had to move to was a naval town, and 717 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: there insinuation that they had a really hard time and 718 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 1: may have been harassed by those around her because they 719 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: were not of they didn't have money, so therefore they 720 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: were treated poorly. I'm not sure, but she seems to 721 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: give a good review of the Navy and those in 722 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: the Navy. So I don't know, it would not imply 723 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: that maybe it was just a setup that she needed. 724 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: Who knows, because again this does go to a lot 725 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: of her own life life where she seemingly uses the 726 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,760 Speaker 1: rich character to the guy that she turned down, uh, 727 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: to being in love with the lower character who needed 728 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 1: money but came up on money. All of these things 729 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: that happened to be perfect for these conversations. Apparently her 730 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: father was a reverence, so we to have conversations about 731 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: that and some of the books that she writes, so 732 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said. Um, and and how 733 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: she takes her own personal situations and put it into 734 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,879 Speaker 1: the books. UM. But yeah, I really, I really loved 735 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: this book. How did you feel it was a fun read? 736 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: It was a fun read. Like I said, I wish 737 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: I had had a chart. I think I figured out, 738 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: but when Mr Elliott showed up, I was so confused. 739 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: And it's also because of like my modern day mind 740 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: where I'm like, never would you marry family members, um, 741 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: which was not true at the time. But god, I 742 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: was so confused. But I did enjoy it. It It did 743 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 1: kind of crack me up. I know I mentioned it earlier, 744 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,839 Speaker 1: but I was like, you know, you add dragons in here. 745 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: This is Game of Thrones. This is the same thing, 746 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: a little bit more violence of drama, dragons violence, and 747 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: less happy endings. I think maybe maybe your family drama. Yeah. 748 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: I was like, there's a lot of drama, a lot 749 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: of not as funny equips as you like to start 750 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: here in Game of Throws that I've maybe that's just me. Yeah, 751 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: I I love these books and it always makes me 752 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: feel cozy and like it is feel sentimental in itself. 753 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: I still argue with people about whether or not as 754 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 1: feminist because people like they just get married, they all 755 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: settled in all, you know, given to marriage, And I'm like, 756 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,399 Speaker 1: but yeah, this is the standard. And and during her 757 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: time she was rebellious and her own life she was 758 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: actually rebellious did not end well. But it's okay because 759 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: she accomplished a lot um as we see. Unfortunately not 760 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: during that time. We wish we could have given all 761 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: the flowers. Although she did get money for it, she 762 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: did get paid, and she did get some um, some 763 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: fame and a claim for it as loving the book 764 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: not necessarily her um, but yeah. I think it's it's 765 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: such a great take. There's so many things to learn 766 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: from it as you look back on what were the traditions, 767 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: were an understanding where she was that she was fighting 768 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: society with these books and trying to talk about how 769 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: these standards are absurd, and class and rank was absurd, 770 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: and how for women it means nothing almost Yeah. Yeah, 771 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: and I think with her her woody equips as you say, 772 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: like you see that, you see that shining through of 773 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: this commentary on how absurd and ridiculous a lot of 774 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: all of this is. She's not quiet about it, and 775 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: I love m h. It was really fun. It was 776 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: really fun. Maybe we'll do another one in the future. Yes, 777 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if we want to do the whole damn 778 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: Pride and Prejudice BBC series, I'm down. I would love it. 779 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: I think be great. Oh my god, parts and I'm excited. 780 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: Perfect it's our next the whole month of content planned out. 781 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: I would I would love it. I think you're great. Um, well, 782 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 1: look forward to that. Listeners And in the meantime, as always, 783 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: if you have any suggestions for book clubs, movie pics, 784 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: or any any topic at all, really you can emails 785 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: at stuff Idea, mom Stuff at iHeart media dot com. 786 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast 787 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: or on Instagram. Steff One never told you. Thanks as 788 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: always to our super ducer christinaw El, Christina, I need 789 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,279 Speaker 1: your opinions about Jane Austen, Yes please, And thanks to 790 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: you for listening Stuff. I Never told you this protection 791 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. For more podcast in my heart Radio, 792 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,399 Speaker 1: you can visit the I Heartradio app Apple Podcast wherever 793 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows