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Speaker 2: guys crushing it right now in golf. I was talking

427
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Speaker 2: to a buddy who played at Oregon who now works Robbie,

428
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: who works for Adidas, and we were talking about how

429
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: good Max Homa was in college. When Max Hooma left college,

430
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 2: he was the national champion. He's currently as I turned

431
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: the TV off, he was four under actually just boged.

432
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: Maybe he's three hundred. Max Homa sucked as a pro,

433
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: was holding on for dear life. He didn't pop till

434
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: his late twenties, early thirties. He got eaten alive. Now,

435
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: golf's a little different than football, but we're seeing it

436
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: happen in football, Guys who aren't quite ready at that

437
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: position get destroyed. Where when I was a in like

438
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: the nineties, you got several years, you got time to learn.

439
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 2: Sit hell, even Carson Palmer got a year. It's why

440
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: what happened to Patrick Mahomes. We will not see that anymore.

441
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: That just is not happening because nobody wants to watch it.

442
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: And now with the money the owner, let's just play

443
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: the kid. Though. You get a huge project like Drake

444
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: May and it's clearly like pretty big project. Better be

445
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: ready to go. Here's what I say about Justin Herbert,

446
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: who I liked a lot. Now, I'd never thought he

447
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 2: would be this good. It's like a four year starter

448
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: in college at Oregon who was competing in Rose Bulls.

449
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: Herbert was a starting quarterback for a team that literally

450
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: won the Rose Bull. I mean he'd been in a

451
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: lot of big games at a really I would say,

452
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: high profile school. So comparing him to Drake May, I

453
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: just putting those guys in the same sentence. I don't

454
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: love that. Here's the thing with JJ McCarthy and the

455
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: same thing with May. I don't love McCarthy. He's a winner,

456
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 2: he has all the intangibles, but I wouldn't say I

457
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: like his arm, and I think the athlete is a

458
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: little overrated. He reminds me of Daniel Jones. You know

459
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Speaker 2: what's funny is when I looked at the numbers for

460
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: and I've been saying this for a while now of

461
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, his numbers kind of reminded me of Alex Smith. Now,

462
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: he's a little shorter, I think he's got a little

463
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: bit better armed than but I think he's in a

464
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: similar mold. Well, there's nothing wrong the Alex Smith, the

465
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: Chief guy. The last year with the Niners guy and

466
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: before he got injured in Washington. Guy guy was a

467
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: good player. You could make the playoffs with that guy.

468
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: But he was the best case version of that guy.

469
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: The comp for Daniel Jones coming out of school was

470
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Speaker 2: Alex Smith. That was his comp and what happened to

471
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones he simply wasn't good enough. Now in defense

472
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: of him, Alex Smith finally got Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid,

473
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: which is clearly better than any situation he's been in,

474
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: even with Brian Abele. So to maximize a guy like

475
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: Alex you need everything great around him, especially on defense,

476
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: and a great head coach. So to me, JJ McCarthy

477
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: has had that in college. He's been the version what

478
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: Alex was with the Chiefs and with the forty nine

479
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: ers they had an elite defense, have like seventy five

480
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: guys they're gonna get drafted on the defensive side alone,

481
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: and had six offensive linemen. Go to the combine NFL

482
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: running back and just an NFL head coach. So I'm

483
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 2: not anti JJ McCarthy. I think he's a fascinating prospect,

484
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: but I think when you compare him, and you think

485
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: about drafting him really high a lot like Drake may

486
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 2: You're just thinking of the best case scenario. And unlike Drake,

487
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 2: who has more physical skills, his floor is just not

488
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: as high. And when it doesn't go well for Daniel Jones,

489
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: that type player Alex Smith earlier in his career, it

490
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: doesn't get any uglier. That's as ugly as it gets.

491
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: So I think this JJ McCarthy situation is gonna be

492
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: fascinating now he goes to Minnesota, like the situation a

493
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: lot more offensive weapons, good head coach, floor is a

494
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: good defensive coach. But if he goes to the Patriots,

495
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: I'm out last, but not least on Pennix. Here's an

496
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: assistant coach. Pennix is better now than may or McCarthy

497
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: for NFL football. He can read defenses, throw accurately, is quick,

498
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: and has strong enough arm. He's more of a sure

499
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: thing to play in the NFL. But I'm not sure

500
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: where he goes from here because he doesn't have the

501
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: same upside. It's a great line. It's not about where

502
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: you are today. If you had no if you were

503
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: playing NFL football next week and it was a winner,

504
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: get in game. For the Commanders, they would be better

505
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: off with Michael Pennix than any of the other guys.

506
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: But like we talked about, you're drafting not even for

507
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: this rookie contract. You're drafting ultimately to try to give

508
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: him two hundred and fifty three hundred million dollars in

509
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 2: four or five years. And that's the thing that concerns

510
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: teams with Michael PENNOCKX. He's older, the injury history, no

511
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: one can argue. When you watch him play beside Caleb.

512
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: He throws the ball and he's more accurate, and his

513
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: deep ball is better than everybody. I mean, it's just

514
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: speaks for itself. But there are other factors in here.

515
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: And here's a scout. I think bo Nis is much

516
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 2: better in Pennix. I disagree there. Pennix is serviceable and

517
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: a different player when he's playing on schedule, but he's

518
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: not a good foot at athlete. I worry about him

519
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: when he gets traffick in his face. The fascinating thing

520
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: to me with Pennix is if he goes to the

521
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: right spot, good offensive line, good coach. I think he

522
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: can be good. But the one thing that you saw

523
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: in that Michigan game, which people could go in middle cooff.

524
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: You once put him number two in the draft. You've pivoted.

525
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: No one's arguing that he's not a really good player,

526
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: but his speed at his pro day. He never really

527
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: did that and played like that right now? Can he?

528
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: We saw CJ. Stroud much better playmaker in the pros

529
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: than we saw in college. We knew he was great

530
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: in the pocket. I know Pennix is great in the

531
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: pocket elite. Michael Penis is an NFL caliber pocket passer,

532
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: but you get hit a lot in the NFL, I

533
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: don't care who you are. And when Michael Penicks played

534
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: NFL level teams Oregon Michigan, both times, I thought he

535
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: wasn't going to finish the game, and that concerns me.

536
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: I like the player a lot, but I think it

537
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 2: is fair to be concerned. And it's pretty clear like

538
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: he's not going ahead of those three guys. But I

539
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: think he has the chance to have the most fascinating career.

540
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: I would be stunned if he had a long career,

541
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: but I could see if he gets in the right situation,

542
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: having a fantastic couple of years because he's kind of

543
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: ready made very old school. It doesn't happen as much anymore.

544
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: He's quarterbacks man, fascinating times. One thing around the draft

545
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: that I am always very leery of and throw a

546
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 2: big red flag over is when someone goes one one

547
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: hundred percent. It's one thing if you're the first or

548
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: second drafting team. Right, so and so team is going

549
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: to take Caleb Williams at number two, They're gonna take

550
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: Nick Bosas. Like, okay, I totally My mom can figure

551
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: that out. When you start getting farther down the draft

552
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: and you go, this team will do whatever it takes

553
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: to get this player. I go two things. One, you

554
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: have a very leaky front office and that is not

555
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: a way to run a draft room. Or two you're

556
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: throwing out a lot of bullshit to throw people off

557
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: the scent. And I think Minnesota, you got to look

558
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: at all their moves, right. They had Kirk Cousins, who

559
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people go. They let him walk,

560
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: he did tear his achilles, and he wanted a lot

561
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: of money. Now. They had been thinking about it last

562
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: year when they had offered the forty nine ers, and

563
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers didn't want the trade because they

564
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: trusted that brock Perdy could come back, but they clearly

565
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: were moving were open to moving on from Cousins a

566
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: year before, so it had been on top of mind.

567
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: Probably an easy decision once he tears his achilles, even

568
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: though they went back and forth with his agent, but

569
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: everybody and their mother just goes. The Minnesota Vikings want

570
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. I even saw Rick Spielman, who was on

571
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: this podcast, said I don't know where he said it,

572
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: but he basically said that I expect them to do

573
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: a dramatic overpay to get JJ McCarthy. If you told

574
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: me right now that Adam Peters in Washington and Colin

575
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: believes they're going to take Jayden Daniels. I was told

576
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: Drake May, I don't know. I'm expecting them to take

577
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: one of those two guys. I honestly don't really give

578
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: a shit. I just hope whoever they draft is good

579
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: and the team's entertaining. I don't really have a dog,

580
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: you know, a horse in this race. I don't care

581
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 2: that much in terms of like, I don't have a

582
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: strong opinion on either guys. I'd be nervous drafting either,

583
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: but you got to pick one or the other, and

584
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: they're eventually going to pick one or the other, but

585
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: they're also drafting two, so beside Kayleb Williams, they have

586
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: the pick of the litter. Minnesota currently is an eleven,

587
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: so if they want to dive into the big time

588
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: quarterback mark, they got to trade up really, really high.

589
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: Why would you want all these other teams that could

590
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: theoretically also like JJ McCarthy to know you love them.

591
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: What if it's trying to throw everybody off the scent

592
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: of the guy that they actually like. I'm not saying

593
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: that's what they're doing, but it would be terrible business

594
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: when it is dramatically out of your control. One. You

595
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: need teams not only willing to trade, but willing to

596
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: accept your offer for a trade and willing to move

597
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: down a lot. Right, even the Cardinals are a good example.

598
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: Manti Austin Ford when he gave his press conference a

599
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago before the owner's meetings, we are open

600
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: for business, come trade. There's a difference when we're open

601
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: for business and we're willing to move back a ton

602
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: of spots. What if I go from four to six,

603
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: get the player I wanted all along at four, and

604
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: add a second round pick I'm not even saying the

605
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: Giants are willing to make that trade, but I'm open

606
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: to everything if I'm the cardinal guy. Right, So when

607
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: I see that they're in love with JJ McCarthy, I

608
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: just hesitate to truly believe that. You know, I said

609
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: this all along with Mac Jones and the forty nine ers.

610
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: I believe Kyle Shanahan liked Mac Jones, but anyone with

611
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: a brain had to be in his ear, Like, you

612
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: can't take a guy with this limited of a skill

613
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: set at number three overall. Now, they ultimately drafted a

614
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: guy who's even worse than Mac Jones. But totally understand

615
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: why they took a huge swing, right Mac Jones. You

616
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: draft a guy like Mac Jones or Kenny Pickett in

617
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: the top five, you are completely fucked if it doesn't

618
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: work out. They're great examples, both of them not on

619
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: the team a couple of years later. I just think,

620
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: what if Minnesota really likes another player, and honestly, if

621
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: you're them. Albert Breer wrote today that Michael Pennix is

622
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: a guy, and he said this He kind of was

623
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: careful way he worded this is moving up draft boards

624
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: because you don't at this time move up draft boards.

625
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: You don't go from like a third round or to

626
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: a first round or over the last month. But if

627
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: you're a guy that people view is like, yeah, we

628
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: could see you in the first round. Then I see

629
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: at your pro day, I take you to dinner, I

630
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: have you, invite you on a thirty visit, we spend

631
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: all day with you, and we go, holy shit, that

632
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: guy is really really impressive because these guys have been

633
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: making the rounds, and when you're a quarterback, the standard

634
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: is so high for when you make a team's visit,

635
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: right you're meeting not just with the head coach, the coordinators,

636
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: the general managers, the executives, with the owner. You kind

637
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: of need universal sign off when you make that visit.

638
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: Now historically tends to be a little, you know, pretty

639
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: high level group of people play in that position. But

640
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: what if you're in Minnesota, would you rather just sit

641
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: at eleven, take pennix, and then use that other pick

642
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: I don't know on a player, or would you take

643
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: eleven twenty three and next year's one to try.

644
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 4: To move up into the top five to get a

645
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 4: guy who's kind of, let's face it, his ceiling is

646
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 4: stronger armed Alex Smith, So I just I hesitate to

647
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 4: write and Sharpie Minnesota is going to mortgage the farm

648
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 4: for this specific player, because if that is true, I'd argue,

649
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 4: even if they pull it off, it was pretty reckless

650
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 4: to kind of let everyone know. And maybe it's just

651
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 4: as simple as everyone put, you know, the pieces to

652
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: the puzzle together, but you don't. You can't put the

653
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 4: pieces of the puzzle together without some of those pieces

654
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 4: leaking out of the operation. Even Kyle Shanahan had met Yeah,

655
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 4: I really like mac Jones, and obviously that was.

656
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: Being leaked out before that draft. It's why a lot

657
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: of people had mocked and said that mac Jones was

658
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: going to be his pick, because you couldn't keep your

659
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: mouth shut. And I think anytime around this year you

660
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: got to be very careful about telling people what you

661
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: are inclined to do. Like it's not hard to go. Yeah,

662
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: the Chargers probably could use a wide receiver, right, that's

663
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: probably a position that if they get stuck at five,

664
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: not crazy to think who they should draft, But I

665
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: think it's healthy that I don't know out of the

666
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: three guys, let's say all three of them are on

667
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 2: the board. And I tell you right now, one hundred

668
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: percent lock the Chargers are gonna pick a wide receiver.

669
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 2: It's not crazy if they picked one of the three,

670
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 2: Like if I told you they picked Roma Dunes, they'd

671
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: be like whoa. But ultimately it's not that nuts. Obviously,

672
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: if they picked one of the other two guys, Neighbors

673
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: or Marvin Harrison, totally, you know, we can envision that,

674
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: but I shouldn't have an idea of like they love

675
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: this guy, and if you do, at least through the media,

676
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: always question that because around this time of year, you

677
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: want teams to try to make moves believing you're doing

678
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: something when you're actually never gonna do that. So I

679
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: just I have Minnesota as just like I struggle to

680
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: just assume everything we're reading and hearing is the way

681
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: it's going to go. One they have like a Wall

682
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: Street guy running their operation, and this should kind of

683
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 2: be his cup of tea, right working the media, leaking

684
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: things out. So just just keep an eye on that group,

685
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: trying to keep people off the scent. As a kid,

686
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: obviously you were a highly touted amateur player, played at

687
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: a high level in college. But to get to go

688
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: to Augusta, you know, three before you became professionally, became normal.

689
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: What was that like driving down Magnolia Lane. You go

690
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: with your parents, you go with, you.

691
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: Go with Yeah. So I remember winning my semifinal match

692
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: and that got me into Augusta, Like I knew that,

693
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: and that was the first thing I thought of when

694
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: I won. It wasn't even you know, because I actually

695
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: won the US Junior and I had a chance to

696
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: do something only a Tiger has done, which is when

697
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: the US Junior in the US sammetur So I was

698
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: on the prespice of that. But soon as I got

699
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: as soon as I won my match, I knew, like,

700
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: oh I'm in Augusta. Like it was wild. It was

701
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: a wild just moment. And then we went and played.

702
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: As soon as you get that invite, as soon as

703
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: you know you're in the tournament, you're allowed to play

704
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: kind of as much as you want. You just have

705
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: to play with a member, so you can go call

706
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: the club and say hey, I'd like to go, and

707
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: they'll they'll help you out and they set you up.

708
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: And so yeah, driving down for the first time with

709
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: no fans, no one there, just like I don't even

710
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: know what day it was, might have been a Monday

711
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: or something like that, and it's just eerily quiet. It's

712
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: just you see, you're feeling everything that you've seen on

713
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: TV and now you're experiencing it. And some when they

714
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: have the old range, it was wild. It was just

715
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: such a I mean, it was truly like a dream

716
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: come true because everything that was fake is now real

717
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: and you're seeing it and experiencing it. And then you

718
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: get to see the golf course and in three D right,

719
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: you're not seeing it from a one die just from

720
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: a flat perspective. You actually get to see the slopes

721
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: and feel the slopes and see how the course is

722
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: actually and how you're gonna have to play it. It

723
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: was really and as an amateur there, I think that's

724
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: so special. That is so unique, and that is a

725
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: real honor because you really you didn't qualify. You really

726
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: had to like I don't see you're not qualifying for

727
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: but you're really earning your opportunity to play that. And

728
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: there's only like eighty nine guys this year, and sometimes

729
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: they've had like low eighties, and so it's really really

730
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: hard to get into this event. And so it was

731
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: awesome and I felt very proud to be there as

732
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: an amateur and play there as long as I.

733
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: Did that round that you played the practice round with

734
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: a member, did you approach that just like a normal

735
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: round of golf or was like a practice Do you

736
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: remember what you shot?

737
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: No? I don't remember. I mean I just was like,

738
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just getting a feel for everything,

739
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: and so like the whole course is just slopped, like

740
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: every shot you're gonna have, every kind of lie you're

741
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: gonna have uphill, downhill side, hilp. I mean, you're just

742
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: taking it all in that first time and you've got

743
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: to figure out You're just figuring out angles the course

744
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: is so angular and how you need to attack certain

745
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: pins and everything. So I mean I was hitting I

746
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: was kind of like, can I hit another ball here?

747
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: And they're super nice, the staff, everybody, And I was

748
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: getting tips from the caddies who are there because they've

749
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: seen that place for a really long time and that

750
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: was fun. The caddies of amazing stories and you can

751
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: get a lot of information from them. So I just

752
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: was taking it all in that kind of that first

753
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: round and experiencing and everything that I could that could

754
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 1: maybe help me in the tournament, even though the course

755
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: changes drastically even from Monday of the week to the day,

756
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: just to feel it and to understand what's actually going

757
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: to happen when you start on Thursday.

758
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: Why is the course so hard?

759
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: It requires your attention on every single shot, right, Like

760
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: the dreams are real slow and you have to really

761
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: put yourself in position. If you get out of position,

762
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: it's really really challenging just to get up and down.

763
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: And big numbers can have and really fast there, and

764
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that you have to do.

765
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: There is just not three button not bake big numbers.

766
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: If you do that, you're going to have your opportunities

767
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: for birdies and even eagles. But you just have to

768
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: be You just can't take a whole off. You have

769
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: to be engaged on every single shot and you can't

770
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: get frustrated with the golf course because the wind swirls it.

771
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: You do want you do want experience when you're sort

772
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: of playing this golf course.

773
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: Did you get nervous as you became a pro? I mean, oh, nine, T, ten, ten, TA, twelve,

774
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: T twelve, Are you nervous in the mix or does

775
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: it just become like a normal tournament as a professional

776
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: after a while.

777
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: I think you're nervous the first time, but I think

778
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: the more you play it, the more comfortable you get.

779
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't change a lot. The weather obviously is a

780
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 1: little you know, We've seen like Zach Johnson play there

781
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: and it was freezing cold, right and it changed the

782
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: course drastically. But it is such a it's such a

783
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: comforting feeling for a pro to play there because they

784
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: only allow one person per player on the range. Like

785
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: if you want your swing instructor, then he can come up.

786
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: If you want your psychology, well then they have to

787
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: switch out. If you want your physio, they have to

788
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: switch out. So it's a very calm. It's it's strange,

789
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: but it's a very calm place.

790
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: And is that not normal at a even a US

791
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,479
Speaker 2: Open or a British You can.

792
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: Play you want in the US, Like it's your family,

793
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: your cousins, your friends, your teachers, their teachers, swing putting

794
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: chipping guy, they're all in the range. There's a thousand

795
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: people on the range and there's a thousand manufacturers in

796
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: media and it's like the great thing about guessay, it's

797
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: so like defined and everyone's so respectable of everything, but

798
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: it's just such a It really does feel like it's

799
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: all about the players and the player experience, and so

800
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: everything you're doing that week is sort of wrapped around that.

801
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: And it's just like I said, it's eerily calm, and

802
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: it just feels like it's all about the golf and

803
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: you're just that's what you're there for. And I don't know,

804
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: I just always it just was such a relaxing place,

805
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: even though you know you're at the Masters, it felt

806
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: therapeutic in a wig because it just felt like you

807
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with a lot of stuff other

808
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: than just playing and handling yourself.

809
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: Did you get nervous more there than you did in

810
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: other places, or at least all like off the first

811
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 2: tee on Thursday.

812
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so. I just so happy.

813
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: I just enjoyed the experience. It was so cool to

814
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: be at Augusta and playing the Masters, these signature holes,

815
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: those signature moments. I don't know, I just felt like

816
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: I just enjoyed it so much. You know, everything, the

817
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: part three contests, the specters, that people, you didn't have

818
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: to worry about anything. There was not going to be

819
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: any nonsense out there. There's not going to be any

820
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: fans yelling or It's like everything was just controlled and

821
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: it just it felt easy in a way that all

822
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: you have to do is just try to play your

823
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: best and play really good golf.

824
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: Is it harder because I was looking at some of

825
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: the scores. Besides, if you take the fall Masters out,

826
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: it's kind of hovered between ten to thirteen under which

827
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: in this modern golf I don't want to say it's

828
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 2: US Open, but it's not. These guys aren't shooting twenty

829
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: four under par.

830
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: Well.

831
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: What makes it so difficult, like, is just the slopes?

832
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: Is it your approach shots, which clearly is a big

833
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: deal at Augusta. Is there a flat lie out there?

834
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: There's not many. There's not many flat lies. I think

835
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: what they do well there is they adjust year to year, right,

836
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: and they have a lot of control over that. Golfers like,

837
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: they have all the control that golf courst you'd ever want,

838
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: so they're able to adjust it at some length here,

839
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: move this back. You know, they have a great sense

840
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: and great feel of it because they host the same

841
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: course the same place over and over and over again.

842
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: So that helps a ton. If you're going to a

843
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: different golf course like the USGA does PGA. There's no rhythm,

844
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: there's no feel to what's happening and how the weather's

845
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: going to play into the golf course. So they can

846
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: they can hit the gas on the greens when they want,

847
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: which is obviously really challenging, right, Like you don't see

848
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: great putters seem to win at Agussa, even though putting

849
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: is so important. You just have to not three putts.

850
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: You just have to not be a disaster on the greens.

851
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: The course is all about ball striking, and now it's

852
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: becoming much more of a bomber's golf burst where you

853
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: really got to hit an eye and far to carry.

854
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of carries there over these little mounds

855
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: on a lot of these part fours where if you

856
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: do carry it and then it's going to bounce on

857
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: a flat surface other than bouncing into into a hill

858
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: which then equates to twenty five thirty yards and so

859
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: and like I said, they can still hit the gas

860
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: on these greens into where if you can where you

861
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: hit your second shots, it's I mean, we're talking about

862
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: two to three yard gaps like this is I've got

863
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: to land it in this area or it's going to

864
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: hit a hill, roll down and I want to be

865
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: struggling for part. But if I hit it on top

866
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: of there and it rolls over, I've got a great

867
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: look for Berdie. So it's just the difference between where

868
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: you hit your approach shots on a lot of these holes.

869
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: Is a different between a five foot putt and a

870
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: thirty thirty foot are open over a four foot mount.

871
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: Would the average like five to ten handicap have any

872
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: freaking shot on those greens because they always say they're

873
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: like the hardest greens in America.

874
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: No, they would have no. Like I mean, I'm coaching

875
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: in high school here in the kids three poot all

876
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: the time, Like that's like five ten handicappers are going

877
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: to three pot a lot.

878
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: And is it because they're like concrete, they're just super

879
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: fast or they're undulated? Is the combination of it all?

880
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: A combination of it all? They're super fast, which is

881
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: one thing. But the greens, like the course sits like

882
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: on a hill, like from the first T eight you know,

883
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: first T eighteen green, it just goes like this down

884
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: to twelve, Like it's steep, steep, steep, and that's how

885
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: the whole golf course. It's oddly in a bowl when

886
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: everything goes down to twelve, and so even when you

887
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: think you have a flat putt, it's still going to

888
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: break a lot, right, And so amateurs just aren't used

889
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: to playing three four five feet a break and having

890
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: the ball and just thinking that I've got a twelve

891
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: foot and I just need to too, buddy. I just

892
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: need to get it around there and give it a chance,

893
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: but not be super aggressive. There's not many aggressive putts

894
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: you have. There's not really many flat greens. Twelve irons

895
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: about the flattest green you're going to have there. But

896
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, you can get at it at certain

897
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: times and certainly give you that opportunity. I guess that

898
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: which is so great. There's a stretch in that back

899
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: nine on Sunday right where you can get to that

900
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: golf course and you have to make hey when you

901
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: when you have that opportunity.

902
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: Did you ever have a chance on these on your

903
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: top tens to like legitimately win on the weekend?

904
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think, I mean I think I had it.

905
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: Teeing off on Sunday, I had a chance to win.

906
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: I needed to play really well, and I just didn't

907
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: get it done. But I felt like I was there,

908
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: and you have those opportunities in the background Sunday, and

909
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: you got to take advantage of those. I mean the

910
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: best I remember playing with Freddy one year and that

911
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: was my favorite time with Freddy. Sunday at the mass

912
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: was just so cool. And so he's the best guy

913
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: to play with in a stressful environment because he is

914
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: he's sort of just like this, you know in your read, calm,

915
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: confident coach on the sideline, just doing his thing, and

916
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: and and and Freddie has just this way about him

917
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: that nothing seems too big.

918
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: You know, you played in the era before we dive

919
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 2: into some of the favorites and just what we're thinking

920
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: this weekend in peak Tiger, I mean when you first

921
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: got on only two thousands, and obviously once Phil got

922
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 2: over the hump and became an all time great starting

923
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: with Tiger. I mean, you see him to day, He's smiley,

924
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: He's definitely a different person in his late forties, the

925
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 2: guy you saw. I remember texting with you years ago

926
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: when it was like COVID shutdown just watching all these youtubes.

927
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: I mean, how much better was he than everyone else,

928
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: Like do you what's your when you when I when

929
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: you close your eyes and think like your Tiger story

930
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: being around and playing with him in his heyday. What

931
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: stands out to you about Tiger was.

932
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: It's crazy to think, but he was the best at everything.

933
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: Like there was like he was winning tournaments, playing okay,

934
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: and that's guy's whole dream and their life was to

935
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: win a PJA Tour event. And it wasn't like he

936
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: was toying with anybody. He just was like he was

937
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: just on a different planet of work, ethic and desire

938
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: and what he was willing to do to win. But

939
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: like his like he was the best driver of the

940
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: golf while he was the best putter, and the short

941
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: game was ridiculous, and what you have to do is

942
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: hit your long iron as well. And we'd never seen

943
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: anybody be able to hit three irons as far and

944
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: as high as he could. And so when you go

945
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: to Augusta and you go to these major type places

946
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: and he's just playing a different type of golf when

947
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: he's hitting these five and long irons straight up in

948
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: the air and just landing it perfectly soft on the

949
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: green with incredible distance control. But when you take that

950
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: and you take that to really tough golf courses, the

951
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: advantage is just you know, what we've learned is that

952
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: ball striking, iron play is what's going to separate you

953
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: from being a really very great player. And it takes

954
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: you from course to course, country to country, it doesn't

955
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: really matter. And the way he was able to do

956
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: those things and hit those irons, and the way the

957
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: sound it made, the lack of it just looked and felt,

958
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: and the way he can shape it just slightly, it

959
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: was unlike anything we've ever seen before. Guys would struggle

960
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: to just get up and to win events, and it

961
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: was just like he was. He was such an a

962
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: rhythm and just toying with everybody else a lot of

963
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 1: the time.

964
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 2: You know, the thing I've always said about him, and listen,

965
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: obviously he's had a crazy life, I mean an insane life,

966
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: but he said it today, like I just love golf. Yes,

967
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: to be as rich as he is, to be as

968
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: injured as he is, it's like to still want to

969
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: some grind. It's I just think ninety nine percent of

970
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: people in his shoes, with his resume, his money, his

971
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: now family, I just don't think would continue to do it,

972
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: and I just admire his drive, which, like you said,

973
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: was on the forefront for twenty years for guys like

974
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: you just watching it was it was unprecedented. I don't

975
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: know if we'll ever quite see anything like it again.

976
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: No, it's a like you said, it's a pure joy

977
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: to the simplest things. I think he loves. He loves

978
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: just the feeling, you know, of a pure strike, the

979
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: high draw, the manipulation that hit it left and right,

980
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: the feeling like of hitting a perfect wedge from like

981
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: sixty yards and watching it spin, and the control that

982
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: he has. He loves the simplicity of the things. It's

983
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: sort of like, Brady, you can't like Thursdays and Saturdays

984
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: and Sundays. You got to like hitting balls at home

985
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: at like seven am and just feeling the way the

986
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: ball rolls off the putter. Like, he loves all those things.

987
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: It's his passion, it's his drive, it's his work ethic.

988
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: He just loves all those things. And I don't think

989
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: people even understand what he has to do now just

990
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: to play around the golf. I mean it's hours of

991
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: warm up and work and then it's post work, and

992
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: he's willing to do it, which is crazy. He's almost

993
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: fifty and he's been doing and I mean the last

994
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: what he wanted twenty nineteen, so like the last five

995
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: years of his it's been such a struggle for him

996
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 1: just to get on a golf course and play four rounds.

997
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: And it doesn't phase him. He's just like, well, this

998
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: is what I have to do. I have to add

999
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: this hour of stretching and inkle mobility work. That's what

1000
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to do. Do I have to wake him

1001
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: at four, okay, three, whatever, it doesn't matter because I

1002
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: want to be on that first d competing because that's

1003
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: what he loves.

1004
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 4: The volume