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Speaker 1: to another episode. Phenomenal, motherfucking mini episode. And my mama

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Speaker 1: told me the podcast where we dive deep deep into

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Speaker 1: You know the game, bitch, don't you sit there, you

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Speaker 1: dirty sleat and play koy like you don't know how

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Speaker 1: the funk this works. It's very simple. You submit. I

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Speaker 1: read them ships and then I talked about man get

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Speaker 1: into further. This message, the message from the the listener

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Speaker 1: at home, came to a to me from a person

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Speaker 1: who calls themselves Alex. He said, Yo, LANX and you

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Speaker 1: can call me Alex. That's not my real name, but

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Speaker 1: because Alex said, I'm a big fan of the show,

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Speaker 1: which means I have two real, far out black conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm only going to read one of the conspiracy

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Speaker 1: theories that al sent me because the time is it

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Speaker 1: with a good helping of hobo mysticism the way she

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Speaker 1: make lemons out of lemonade patriarchy? Am I right? I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure how that relates to the patriarchy, but I'm

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Speaker 1: listening to Alex seriously. I would often hear something like

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Speaker 1: don't agree that Beyonce can do no wrong. I can

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Speaker 1: like hateful black face. It's like cool black face. Is

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to you, baby, if anybody can do it,

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Speaker 1: you you're the one that loved it. You did it

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Speaker 1: not too long ago. Let's bring black face back anyway. Basically,

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Speaker 1: in reading all of these stories of Shine, one of

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Speaker 1: his folklore. One of the unfortunate qualities that I felt

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Speaker 1: in reading about this though, is how deeply shines mysticism

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Speaker 1: is related to Black people's efforts towards equality. Right, that

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Speaker 1: say the least unfortunate. He's not magical simply as a

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Speaker 1: just exist. Right, I want Shine to have magical nigga

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Speaker 1: for Shine. And maybe that's a very contemporary dream. And

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Speaker 1: Sean probably inspired a bunch of people to do better,

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Speaker 1: thinking of Shine. He was also thinking about some strange

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Speaker 1: you know, that man loved some strange, but he was

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Speaker 1: he was thinking about shine too, shine in some strange

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Speaker 1: That's that's the ways of Martin Luther King. As far

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Speaker 1: as I have, I have I said enough disrespectful things

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Speaker 1: that I can. I can end this now, I think.

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Speaker 1: So this was fun. Alex, thank you for sending this message,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that this is helpful to put in

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Speaker 1: context all of the things that your your grandparents said

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Speaker 1: to you. And and if you want to send me

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Speaker 1: your own theories about fictional black magical people, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: If you got some bagger Vents theories in your back

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Speaker 1: pocket send them to my mama pot at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: I would love to hear from you and and as

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Speaker 1: always subscribed like it. You can follow me at Lankston Kerman.

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Speaker 1: I'd like that. That that makes me hard as a rock,

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Speaker 1: that makes me, that makes me feel magical. If you

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Speaker 1: follow me on on Twitter or Instagram or both, do

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Speaker 1: both bucket fuck it, we'll do it live and we'll

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Speaker 1: do both. Huh. That's that's all the self promotion I

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Speaker 1: need to do. And I love you all very much.

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Speaker 1: And I hope, I hope you stay black. Huh. I

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Speaker 1: hope you stay black, you son of a bitch. Okay, bye,

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Speaker 1: motherfucking many years, so many episode motherfucking many years, so,

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Speaker 1: motherfucking miny years, so many episode motherfucking mini years. So