WEBVTT - Fallen Reality 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:15.000 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikapp Daily with Meet 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:18.480 Your Girl Danielle Moody recording Not So Live from my 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:23.200 Brooklyn Cilarium. Today, I want to talk about the right 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:28.840 of a woman to choose, when, where and if she 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:36.080 wants to have a child. Justice Sonia Satomayor's quote her 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:42.320 grief that she expressed in her thoughts after hearing the 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:46.440 opening oral arguments for the Texas abortion ban at fifteen 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:52.600 weeks that would ban abortion, taking the viability level down 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:57.240 from twenty four weeks to fifteen. For no other reason 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:02.320 than the Mississippi people that are bringing this case knew 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:08.120 that with a six to three stacked Trump Court that 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.639 they would be able to do what they've been trying 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:15.640 to do for nearly fifty years, which is to overturn 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:21.039 Roe v. Wade. For decades, I can remember the one 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.840 of the first jobs that I had was working at 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:30.320 a national women's organization, and I can remember carrying signs 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:34.760 and marching and talking about ROW and its importance and 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:39.399 freedom and liberty. And it's so funny to me the 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:46.319 irony of a Republican party right now who has bastardized 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:52.400 the terms liberty and justice in their desire to spread 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:57.480 a lethal virus that is killed over seven hundred thousand people, 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:01.320 and then at the same time want to argue and 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:07.440 talk about the sanctity of life. If somebody were to 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.000 be writing this in a Hollywood script, they would say, no, 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:14.320 it's too dumb, No one would buy into it. But 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.440 that is where we are right now. And Justice Sonia 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:25.480 Sotomayer so eloquently expressed how millions of women and people 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:29.359 with uteruses are feeling as we await what we know 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:35.880 is the certain final death Knel to rov Wade, this 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.880 is what she said. The right of a woman to 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:44.200 choose the right to control her own body has been 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:51.040 clearly set since Casey and never challenged. You want us 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:55.960 to reject that line of viability and adopt something different. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.880 The viability line which is written here for mother. Jo 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:05.560 Jones says, this drawn in nineteen seventy three by Row 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:10.320 and which does not allow states to ban abortions before 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:14.359 a fetus could survive outside of the wound, hasn't been 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.080 an issue for thirty years. And just to put this 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:23.720 into perspective, over sixty percent of the population, sixty percent 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.679 not along party lines, Over sixty percent of the population 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:32.280 is for abortion, and which seems right when we look 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.520 at the stats of the number of women who have 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.760 had abortions and the number of men who have fucking 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:42.960 paid for them. Right, So when you look at the 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:49.560 reality that the mainstream media and the right wing evangelical 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.880 Christians say that they've been waging some type of culture war, 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.320 but the reality is is that the culture is already 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.480 on the side of liberty and freedom to control one's 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:08.560 reproductive systems. We already decided that back in nineteen seventy three. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.000 So imagine now that there are women that are close 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:17.119 to fifty years to hold who have never never knew 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.360 what it was like to live in a country where 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.920 they were literally second class citizens, going to be shackled 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:30.919 to kitchens and their homes, not able to make decisions 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.479 about their future, about their potential income, right, Because it's 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.640 not as if we have paid family fucking leave in 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.799 this country. It's not as if we once a child 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:47.039 comes out of the womb that we provide any childcare. 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.039 These are the things that we were talking about in 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:54.080 the Human Infrastructure Bill, and within our own goddamn party 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.400 you have Joe Manchin saying, yeah, I don't know about 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.760 that child tax credit. I don't know about that paid 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:07.680 family leave. These are things that other industrialized nations have 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:12.719 and have had, But somehow we continue to talk about 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:17.080 America being anybody's beacon, beacon of what America right now 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.320 is at. It's like a before and after picture. It's 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:27.640 like what not to do? You know? Sony Sartor goes 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:37.440 on to say, this, will this institution survive the stench 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:43.800 this creates in the public perception that the Constitution and 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.880 its reading are just political acts. If people actually believe 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:55.640 it's all political, how will the court survive? There was 0:05:55.680 --> 0:06:00.560 a time when we believed in the sanctity of the courts, 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:05.560 when we actually had faith in our institutions and branches 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.800 of government. Right. This is the beauty. This was the 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:14.440 beauty of being an American. Was the understanding that we 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.279 lived inside of a democracy where we had free and 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:22.560 fair elections, where yes, politicians may stretch the truth at times, 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:27.600 but we didn't live inside of a broken system that 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:32.120 was filled with kleptocracy and lies and fake elections that 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:39.200 are only put on for political performance. That's the beauty. 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.520 It was the ability to kind of go along with 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.560 your day to day life and never really have to 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:49.839 participate or pay attention to what it was that your 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:53.080 elected officials were doing, because your assumption was if I 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.200 elected them, then they are to be my voice, then 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.960 they are to vote with my best interests in mind. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:07.800 We have fallen so far from that reality. We are 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:16.400 so far from that space. We have judges that are 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:21.120 sitting on the Supreme Court in stolen goddamn seats. I mean, 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.120 just think about this, folks for a minute. Brett Cavanaugh, 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:31.440 that piece of shit, has been accused of sexual assault 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:36.360 by multiple women, but Mitch McConnell and the Republicans didn't 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:40.000 bother to want to do any due diligence. The fucking 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:45.360 FBI throughout multiple tips that they were seeing thousands of 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:51.000 tips on Brett Cavanaugh, which just what shoved under the 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:57.280 fucking rug. So we have just think, we have two 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:02.440 sexual predators that sit on the Supreme Court right now 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.640 that are getting to make decisions about what women can 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:10.560 do with their bodies, when in multiple instances, neither one 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.320 of those son of a bitches give the woman any 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:19.320 choice about what they did to humiliate them, to harass them, 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:25.040 or to assault them. But this is America, and the 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:29.000 Supreme Court and its makeup right now is an indicative 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.880 of the cesspool that we have become. So when Sonya 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:44.080 Sartomayor says, will this institution survive the stench right because 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:52.040 the odor right now is just so foul. You know, 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:57.920 when I see older women marching, particularly the one who 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.439 went viral with the sign that says, I can believe 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:04.480 I still have to protest this shit, I cannot think. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.880 And I feel like somebody has got to do a 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:13.920 docuseries or some type of investigative journalism to talk to 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:18.160 women who actually remember, those that are in their seventies, 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:25.000 that remember what this country was like before Roe v. Wade, 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.559 what it was like to be a woman in this 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.720 country and know that you know, it's not as if 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:36.520 we have real laws that prevent people from discriminating and 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.920 gets pregnant people from holding onto your job. You know, 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:44.280 every single time that I see these lists come out 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:49.960 of other countries and the amount of leave family leave 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.040 that they give, do you know that there are some 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:57.600 countries that provide people with a year a year of NOBE. 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:03.600 Just imagine that it seems so radical and yet it's happening. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:10.200 It seems so radical to be able to give new 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:15.760 parents six months three months. I'll tell you this little 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:21.120 anecdote that happened over Thanksgiving. One of my younger cousins 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:28.080 works at a kind of KinderCare situation, right, a daycare. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:33.160 And it's one of those like big chain daycares. And 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.600 the average cost of this big chain it's not a 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.840 private daycare. It's not one of those that you gotta 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.400 you know, on the Upper East Side if you live 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:47.079 in New York, where you have to compete and applications 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.680 and all of these things and references and blah blah blah. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:56.840 But this chain child daycare center costs two thousand dollars 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.599 a month. Two thousand dollars a month, and that is 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.719 for one child. You don't get a discount if you 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:09.040 have two. And so let's you just assume that majority 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.920 of families that are coming in there have two kids 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:20.000 four thousand dollars a month, and a majority of this country, 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.800 that is more than most people's mortgage, that is more 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:29.640 than most people's rent. So in trying to actually work, 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.959 this is why women end up being forced out of 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.600 the workplace. This is why we saw this at the 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.679 height of COVID in twenty twenty when over two million 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.600 women left the workforce. Why, because what the fuck are 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.760 you going to do with a six year old and 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:46.880 a five year old that has to now be on 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.560 zoom for seven hours? You're going to be able to 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.440 just sit them in front of a computer while you 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:56.360 go in the next room and be present on your 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:01.720 own work calls No, And because we don't actually have 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:06.240 equal pay in this country, if you're in a heterosexual relationship, 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.880 it is most likely that the man is going to 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.280 be making more money than you, and not just a 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.720 little bit more, but a fucking lot more. So the 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:21.160 system is already rigged for women to be fighting just 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.320 to make half of what men make. And then you 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.319 put COVID and a whole bunch of other things on 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.040 top of it, and yeah, the decision is going to be, well, 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.040 it's not cost effective for me to keep working. And 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.360 then what do we do to women that now when 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:42.040 their child is of school age, because again we don't 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.520 have universal pre K. When the child is a school 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.880 age which is around kindergarten, which is five years old, 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.880 so that's five years out of the workforce, and we 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:56.199 see that gap on your resume. It's not like employers say, oh, 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:00.800 we'll show me the baby pictures. Oh, congratulations, good for you. No, 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.679 you're a liability. Oh is this your first kid or 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.320 is your second kid? Well, then this means that you 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.600 may need to leave early so that you can go 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.320 to parent teacher conferences, or what if your kid falls ill? 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.120 So who do they decide to hire then the woman 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:19.040 that has multiple kids in a family or the single 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.920 young one who is yet to have any kids, and 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.840 then you keep promoting them, or you create this kind 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:31.080 of velvet cage where you see in reports that people 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.760 are having kids later and later, or deciding not to 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.960 do it at all because guess what, they can't fucking 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:43.800 afford it. So here we have now a situation where 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:49.600 the design the ability to create family is all based 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:54.640 on your ability to provide. And we're supposed to have 0:13:55.640 --> 0:14:00.920 safety nets and systems set up to help. Right, Our 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:05.199 tax dollars are supposed to be invested back into us, 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.839 Except we've made and created all of these carve outs. 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:12.800 So in certain instances, women can't get contraception covered under 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:17.080 their healthcare for their jobs. Right, don't you think, don't 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:18.920 think for a minute that that's not going to be 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:23.560 next on the chopping block. But now we're setting up 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:28.680 a situation where our next guests coming up. Danielle campomore 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:33.120 writer for The Today's Show, and we've had her on 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:37.360 the show before. She is a staunch abortion advocate, will 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.240 tell us that when row falls, because it's not an if, 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:46.200 when row falls, when the decision comes down in June 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:52.080 of twenty twenty two, twenty states have trigger laws in 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:57.920 this country where abortion will officially be banned. Twenty states 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.800 and the there are those that are kind of on 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.120 the bubble, and so when you actually really begin to 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.560 look at the map, it looks like maybe there is 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:13.280 going to be ten on the west and the east 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.160 coast where you can actually get an abortion. Now, so 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:21.120 who does that work for? Well, it works for the 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:26.160 middle class. It works for the one percent because they 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.480 can hop on a plane, they can take off of work, 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.280 they can do whatever it is that they need to 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.400 do because they have the resources to be able to 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.560 do that. How many stories do we need to hear 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.560 about these places that you would have to drive two 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.120 three hundred miles because there's only one abortion clinic right 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.960 now in the whole of fucking Mississippi that is bringing 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:49.240 the fifteenth week abortion ban. There's one clinic in the 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:59.520 entire state. So if you live right miles and miles 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.880 and miles away, and then you get there and they 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.520 tell you in most of these southern states and states 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:09.760 in the flyover land, you have to have a waiting period. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.160 So if I've driven hundreds of miles to then be 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:18.000 told that I will be seen by a doctor and 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.200 then have to wait another twenty four hours, because again, 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.320 we don't trust women to make decisions just from the jump. 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.320 We either got to put them through a waiting period 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:33.720 or transvaginal ultrasounds until then we decide, Oh, I think 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:37.440 you're ready a gun. However, well, bitch, you can buy 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.680 that today and shoot up as many fucking people as 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:51.320 you would like. We are creating what many said was hyperbolic, 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:58.520 the Handmaid's Tail Gilead. We're creating a system where we 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:05.240 are going to see more women lose their lives because 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:09.159 we are taking a fundamental right that has been in 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:14.200 place for damn near fifty years away. And to Sonia 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:22.400 Sotomayor's point is that this body, the Supreme Court, has 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:26.879 never actively worked to take away individual rights. It has 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.960 always been about expanding rights. To those that have been 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:35.800 left out. But since we've had Chief Justice Roberts, who 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:41.919 began this crusade against civil liberties with the gutting of 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:46.639 the Civil Rights Act, I keep saying to people that 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.560 they're not going to stop here. They're going to come 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:57.200 for contraception. Every single thing that we think has been 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:03.080 codified by law is up for grabs. That includes marriage equality, 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.560 that includes Brown versus the Board of Education, and fuck 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:11.800 it could include plessy because if you remember, in that 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:16.080 bitch Amy Covid Barrett's confirmation, she said that Brown versus 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.720 the Board of Education was not settled law. Let that 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:28.640 sink in. They want, dear friends, they want a war, 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.480 and I cannot tell you that that is not where 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:39.200 we are headed. I cannot believe in my heart that 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:44.000 we are going to be able to resolve these enormous 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.600 problems that we have in this country by policy, because 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:53.480 we can't get basic shit passed, right, Like, we just 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.560 voted to keep funding the government kick that can down 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:02.359 the road until February eighteen. So if we can't get 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.200 basic shit done, do you think that people are going 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:08.760 to continue to have faith in these institutions that we 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:15.000 tell you to vote for because let me remind you again, 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.800 this is what it looks like when Democrats have won. 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:24.840 We have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency, and 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.359 all of this is happening right now. You want to 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:33.320 talk about a stench. We're never going to rid ourselves 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:37.840 of the odor of Trump and Trumpism, not for generations. 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:42.840 Your children's children will be still feeling the effects of that. 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.200 You know why, because three of those motherfuckers are sitting 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.440 on the Supreme Court appointed by Trump, and over three 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.440 hundred of them are sitting on federal courts around this country. 0:19:55.080 --> 0:20:00.600 They are setting up Apartheide in America. And the question 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:05.359 that we have to ask ourselves, particularly the majority, which 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.600 is over fifty percent of women, need to ask themselves 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.600 is are we just going to sit back and take it? 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.400 Coming up next is my conversation with our friend Danielle Campamore, 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:26.040 who is now very newly minted writer for the Today Show. Folks, 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.480 I'm always excited when I get to welcome back my 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:35.280 friend and just warrior, warrior for abortion rights, Danielle Campamore, 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:40.840 who is newly minted as a reporter at Today. First 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:45.879 of all, congratulations Danielle on the new position very excited 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:49.560 to have your voice in a very mainstream type of 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:53.359 space because the things that you have been writing, tweeting 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.280 for the years that I that I've known you at 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.119 this point are so critical, and I feel like you 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:04.200 have been raising the alarm on what would happen if 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.760 Rob Wade fell, On what it would look like in 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:12.560 this country if we no longer had access to abortion. 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:18.760 We are here now. The opening arguments took place at 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:24.800 the Supreme Court earlier this month. We had listened to 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:29.960 some of the initial thoughts of Amy Coney, Barrett, of 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:34.680 Brett Kavanaugh, these people who we knew right where they 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:38.719 were going to land on Rob Wade. I want to 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.639 get your initial reactions, and then I want you to 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.959 walk us through paint the picture of Gilead that we 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:51.760 are about to be living in right absolutely. First, thank 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:53.960 you so much for being here. It's always a joy 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:58.080 to speak with you, especially about something so important. My 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:02.119 initial reaction. I spent the day just speaking with abortion advocates, 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:05.439 primarily mothers, as the majority of people who have abortions 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.280 already have at least one child at home and know 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.639 what it's like to give birth and or parent or both, 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:12.440 and so That's how I spent my day because it's 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.000 very difficult, I think, for anyone in any situation to 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:19.120 try and pretend and go about a normal work day 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:25.199 while their constitutional right is being debated. And so I 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.920 really focused on who this is going to impact most, 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:34.119 which are mothers, primarily black, brown, and poor mothers. And 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.640 they were very clear with me. They took their babies 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.639 to rallies. They were there to make their voices heard. 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.680 It was a family affair. They were going with their husbands, 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:45.760 with their partners, with their children because they know that 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:50.280 this will continue now, this is their children's fight, probably 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:53.760 their children's children's fight, and so it was really just 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:57.920 a day of immense community and family time to rally 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:02.560 together as they prepare for the fight to come. You know, 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:08.399 it just I find it just so heartbreaking, right, you know, 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:13.000 and since our last conversation where you use the term 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.240 that I had never heard before, but I've been using 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:20.840 it since Danielle, which is forced birth right. And I 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:25.199 want to go to Amy Covid Barrett, which is what 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.640 I refer to her as on the show. I want 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:34.840 to go to her remarks, right, so this justice says 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:38.640 that there should be no problem right. That essentially Roe 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:44.159 and Casey are moot because we have safe haven laws 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:48.040 where and you know, for the audience, safe haven laws 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:52.440 essentially allow you to be able to drop off right 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:57.720 a baby, no questions asked, at a church, at a 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:07.639 community center, at different locations. And basically this Justice Barrett's responses, No, 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.879 you go through the nine months of pregnancy. It doesn't 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:14.719 matter what kind of economic hardship that that may cost you. 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:18.520 It doesn't matter what health concerns that may arise, It 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:23.719 doesn't matter you're emotional right well being in state that 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:27.560 you should. What is nine months right? What's the problem here? 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:32.160 Could you imagine? I mean, what was your reaction to her? 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:37.000 My reaction was the same as the reaction to the 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:43.479 lawyer who was representing and arguing against the ban, and 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:47.320 that is that. Again, her argument was that you can't 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:49.879 really say that you're forcing people into parenthood because they 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:52.360 can essentially just give up their parential rights as soon 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:58.960 as they're done giving birth. But abortion care is fourteen 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:02.480 times safer than giving childbirth in this country alone. It 0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:06.679 is seventy five times saver in the state of Mississippi, 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:11.480 particularly because Mississippi has such bad maternal mortality rates and 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:17.680 infant mortality rates for that. In addition, so the idea 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:22.600 that there is no harm to the pregnant person, that 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:29.240 pregnancy is safe, that it doesn't alter forever your mind 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:35.040 and your body. It's it's not an argument made in 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.240 good faith, especially from someone who is a parent herself. 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:40.440 And again, I just go back to what the advocates 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.800 were talking about. They know what it's like, and many 0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.720 of them have had abortions because they know what it's 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:48.119 like to parent, and the idea of going through pregnancy 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.080 and having to care for their previous children, especially if 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:54.280 they had difficult pregnancies, and many do, it's just not 0:25:54.840 --> 0:26:03.239 sustainable and it's a human rights violation. And you know 0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:06.960 what we're really talking about here is the government essentially 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:12.320 telling people when they must be forced to either begin 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:16.120 or in most cases, expand their families. It's the government 0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:22.000 telling parents, mothers, primarily that they need to have more children. 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:25.000 And I can't think of anything I think very many 0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:30.680 few people can of anything more unfathomable and cruel than 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:36.200 telling parents, especially now you know financial situations. There's no 0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.879 mandatory paid family leave in this country, there's no affordable childcare. 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:44.800 Telling parents that are already under difficult circumstances and situations 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:47.440 that they have to expand their families against their will, 0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:52.520 and that the government can do that is again the 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:57.280 cruelty is it's astonishing, you know, it's also astonishing too 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:02.800 for her to make such a callous statement about dropping 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:09.359 off a baby and saying that as if pointing to 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:13.400 our adoption and foster care system and saying, look, isn't 0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:17.119 this shining example of how good things can be for kids? 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:22.199 It's not right, like you have foster care and adoption 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:27.160 advocates out there talking about this that broken system right 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:30.440 on top of our broken criminal justice system and our 0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:33.360 crumbling healthcare system and all of these things. And so 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:38.800 to me, what it was also ironic and just fucking 0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:46.280 mind blowing was the GOP's twitter handle tweeting out that 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:50.679 we will always protect the sanctity of life. And I'm saying, 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.959 you will protect the sanctity of a collection of cells, 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:57.920 because you sure as hell don't care about anybody's life 0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:01.320 or a livelihood. Because if you did, then if you 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.439 were the party of family values, then why wouldn't you 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.280 be the party of parental leave? Why wouldn't you be 0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.880 the party of childcare. Right, Why wouldn't you be the 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:16.440 party of stronger public education and community development and all 0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:20.439 of these things if in fact you are pro life 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:24.720 when to your point, it is forced birth. And I'm 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:28.800 you know, I'm really angry. I'm angry as a woman, 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:33.080 I'm angry as a progressive. I'm angry, you know, as 0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:36.720 a person that believes that this country is in such 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:42.000 a dangerous dark place where I do not think that 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.320 we understand, right. I don't even think that those that 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:50.280 are pressing for this overreach, right, I don't even think 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:54.720 that they understand what is coming. And so Dani out 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:59.840 walk us through. Paint the picture of what a post 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:06.280 row a miracle will look like, right. I mean I 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:08.360 only know what it will look like because of my reporting, 0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:10.959 which is to say that a post row already exists 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.960 in this country, in particular states that have done everything 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.840 to whittle away access to abortion care and which have 0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:22.160 made ROW existing name only especially for black women, LGBTQ people, 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.480 poor people, and young people. And so it looks like 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.719 what abortion access looks like right now in Texas, what 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:31.840 it looks like in Mississippi, what it looks like in Louisiana, 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:34.080 What it looks like in South Dakota and North Dakota, 0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:37.360 the states that only have one abortion clinic available to them, 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.680 it's a lot of relying on community fund workers, on 0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:44.640 abortion funds that have been established at the grassroots level, 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:49.600 primarily by black and brown women. It's about communities coming 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:54.360 together to help people pay, to provide travel, to provide childcare, 0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.800 and it's about those systems already in place. It also 0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:01.200